Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Throw Up Ya Hands" (w/ Taylor Tomlinson)

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

The sisters are joined by the very special Taylor Tomlinson in this joyous episode! The discourse includes Hugh Jackman's sweaty glove, being a pro at reading a teleprompter, the culture of Romeo & Juliet, doing clean stand up on the church circuit, creating new stars, emails from Baz Luhrmann, co-opting the language of generation Z, and three IDTSH's you'll never forget! Get into it! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. So the vibes are very summer today as New York has turned a corner and become hot. And I'm going to say it. I'm going to already complain.

A little uncomfortable. I think once the seal is broken, that is when you really get it out of your system. And I think you're going to sort of like fold into it for the rest of the season. Yeah, I know. I've just had my first summer sweat. And I think you're going to sort of like fold into it for the rest of the season. Yeah, I know.

I've just had my first summer sweat. And I'm like, no. Because it's like you idealize New York so much because now I live in LA, as we all have heard me talk about. This LA-New York conversation is ongoing culturally. Especially Rural Culture number 92. This LA-New York conversation is ongoing culturally.

And you sort of- What have you learned recently? What I've learned recently is that humidity still exists. I mean, you know, it doesn't go away just because you idealize New York. And that's New York and not LA. And that's New York, baby. There's no humidity in LA. They probably should go over there because the hurricanes have come here.

Yes. Like a lot of culture earthquakes happening. Hurricanes. I feel like cypress trees, they got to be drinking up a lot of water. Earthquakes. Hurricanes. I feel like cypress trees, they gotta be drinking up a lot of water. And the palm is good without. But the cypress, which is my favorite thing about LA. The cypress trees?

I don't care too much about the terrain. I agree with Chloe Sevigny. The water's too hard. It is very harsh. As soon as you're done with the shower, you see it sort of like caking at the corner. Yeah. And I go, I don't like that mildew. I don't like that calcium around me.

When Chloe Sevigny dragged LA, I was like, she's right. Yeah. It sucks. I'm out of here. And then I came here and I'm seconds into being in New York again. And I'm like, it's human. I'm between two California legends. California legends indeed.

So get this. Our guest today hosts a late night program and it films right next door to my house, which was convenient for me when I got booked on the show

what every actor dreams of. What every actor dreams of. That's your real coach number 50. What every actor dreams of is to be booked on the show. On the show. And I went there and I was just like,

this is the life. You host your fun-ass late night show. Next to Matt Rogers' apartment. Right next to my apartment where the party is. Really smack dab Do you feel like Betty Davis

when you go in? I was rude to everyone. I was a total bitch coming in. No, I was a sweetheart. New Faye Dunaway clip is kind of making the rounds where she has to pick up a line. She goes,

I'll pick it up. And they're like, yeah. Okay, yeah, Faye. And then she goes into the line again. You know, the thing about being an actress, can you actually move? You're in my eye line. She started to give. Devastating.

She started to give capital F Faye. Capital F Faye. Honestly, not since Faye have we seen a true legend. A true legend. But now Hollywood has sort of, you know, I would tell everyone to brace themselves because there's someone on the Paramount lot who's coming. Who's coming. She's here with us. She's here. She's arrived. She's coming.

Last night, I watched Have It All. So good. Netflix stand-up special. Have you seen Look at You? Yes. I saw that OG-ly. OG-ly. We call that when you see it OG-ly, it's mean when you watch it when it comes out. When you see it, when you watch it when it comes out.

You know, I think our guest has early Taylor Swift cadence of releases. Every two years, you know, like, oh, okay, it's time for the special. So you think soon she's going to be like way oversaturated, world tour heiress, Taylor Tomlinson, the other Taylor. The other Taylor. Working title of ep. We'll definitely get better than that. We'll definitely get better. To have one already is great.

This person would never tell anyone to get out of her island because she's really good on prompter. Really good on prompter. Oh, you've seen this firsthand. I have seen it in action. And when someone is good on prompter, your shoulders drop. Because you think I'm safe. You know what I'm saying? That's a skill because guess who's not good on prompter?

That's a lie, you idiot. Good on cue cards, not on prompter. Excuse's a lie you idiot. Good on cue cards, not on prompter. Excuse me, what is the goddamn difference? Cue cards? Harder. No. Cue cards can be in any situation. If you put a prompter, if you put a monitor with words on it,

spatially, the footprint is such that it can't fit everywhere you want it to on a set, right? On the stage. And so therefore, also, we have monitors that are not wired that go out, that black out at any given moment. Technology can be a huge betrayer of a live performer. Yes!

It's actually really culture number 40. Technology can be a huge betrayer of a live performer. So cue cards. And also, they've been recently unionized, which we celebrate. Love that. And maybe we'll change the culture at After Midnight because maybe they'll So cue cards. And also, they've been recently unionized, which we celebrate. Love that. And maybe we'll change the culture at After Midnight

because maybe they'll bring cue cards in. Well, I think our guest is very comfortable on the prompter, so I don't want to like perturb it. It's not about her comfort. It's about getting union men jobs. Okay? Okay.

I have to be strong. Our guest is one of the greats. She's one of the greats. And I remember I told her this when I did her show. Like, when I saw her at JFL in 2019, she was one of the greats and I remember I told her this when I did her show like when I saw her at JFL in 2019 she was one of Variety's new faces alongside Joel

Kim and Jaboukie a bunch of our friends it was a memorable night at Southern Mama I was like my surprise that she has leveled up in such a way and become this like comedian's comedian I went to my coffee shop today and told the girl that worked there she was on the show and she collapsed she watches her stand-up specials every night before bed.

Just one of the greats. My shock registers at zero that she's so successful and just one of the best. I'm so happy she's here. So happy she's here. Everyone, welcome. Taylor Tomlinson! Hi! Oh my God, I have so much to say.

That's good on a podcast. First off, equally surprised you feel that way about cue cards. The fact that you can read handwriting better than. They put our guys through a class. Oh, okay. Where it's like, you got to make sure the A has a peak and you got to make sure,

you know, the cue looks, doesn't look too funky. Like the letters have to be glyphic. And I hear you on the blacking out with the prompter, but like if the person holding the cue cards is going through something, like there's, there's the same, there's the prompter, but like if the person holding the cue cards is going through something, like there's the same, there's the same room

for error, I think, in a different way. I was so surprised everybody was so impressed I could read teleprompter, like to a point where I'm like, is everybody making fun of me?

Did you guys think I can't read? Truly, that's what I was like, when we came, they told me for the screen test, they were like, you need to practice.

They were like, we're rooting for you to get this job, practice. So I was like when we came. They told me for the screen test, they were like, you need to practice. They were like, we're rooting for you to get this job. Practice. So I was on TikTok watching local news anchors do teleprompter tests. And those are the real legends. And those are the real legends. And they were so fast. And of course, none of them are funny. It's like five car pile up on the freeway today.

And I was practicing alone in my room like a crazy person. Yeah, good. And then I got in. I was like, this is so much easier. They're going with my, the speed of my speaking yeah and truly three months in people are still like you are so good on prompter i'm like you know i do stand up for memory i memorize my jokes everyone yes but people are just more impressed when you're on television yeah than they are by live performance for some reason that's interesting but don't you feel like it's the same lobe in your brain

that is good at filing away what you're going to say next on stage without a prompter and what you say on set? I actually think no. I think they're different. Which, actually, your show is so perfect

because you get the props for both. You're like, I'm reading and I'm doing something live. Uh-huh. I mean, sure. Good for you. It's very this coded. It is.

It's very this coded. But for visual medium, I'm patting my head and rubbing my tummy. Which you're doing so well with a prom. It's not bad. I'm telling you right now,

I'm not doing it badly. Could read a prompter. It's pretty good. And I bet I could do a prompter while I do it. Yeah. No hesitation. No hesitation.

No, 100%. I already fucked up our first interaction in years, Taylor, where we saw each other in the lobby. I was like, it's so nice to meet you.

I've been a fan and I remember that the JFL set and you did it so classily. You were like, we did meet that one time at JFL. Joel Kim Booster introduced us. No, and I shouldn't have even said it. No, I should have pretended because it was so brief the way we met. We met on the street. Joel Kim Booster and I said hi to each other and like introduced us so quickly. And I shouldn't have even said anything. I should have said nice to meet you too. I wish there were cameras around for that moment because that was-

That's why you need a reality show. That's why you need a reality show. Everyone does. You and your siblings would make a great reality show with your dad. Like that would be a great show. We don't speak to our dad, but yeah. But yes, the four of us are very funny and great.

Sure. Well, that's the premise. Get cameras on it. Wait, there's conflict there. Yeah, exactly. Let's move in. There you go. Hold on, zoom. But your dad's such premise. Get cameras on it. There's conflict there. Yeah. Let's move in. There you go. Hold on.

Zoom. But your dad's such great fodder for the show, though. For your sets. Yeah. We don't have to talk about it. Well, I think everybody's parents are great fodder for their set. I mean, everybody doing stand-up, you talk about your family. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. Totally. Is it that Flannery O'Connor quote where she said anyone with a childhood has enough material for the rest of their life. Sounds like Flannery. And then it becomes a terrifying story about a woman. I think Flannery O'Connor wrote Baby Reindeer.

Wow. Baby Reindeer was a very Flannery O'Connor story. That's why it's so good. That's why it's catching on. Netflix. There's a huge Netflix room today. Wait a minute. You just lit up something in me. Flannery O'Connor really fucked me up in college. Netflix there's a huge Netflix room today wait a minute I've you just like

lit up something in me Flannery O'Connor really fucked me up in college and I haven't gotten the chance to talk about that woman have you

okay there's a ghost tour in Savannah where you go you go to a house and you're like you really did hit the hippocampus you really did

you actually plowed his hippocampus just now and this is great because Savannah I'm going there on tour in the fall. It's not announced yet, but we are doing that. And it's the one city I haven't performed in that I've always wanted to go to.

It's such a great city. We performed there like years ago with our sketch group. And it was like, the vibes are like, oh, take back everything I've said. They are not the same. Keep it in. Keep it in. Keep me honest. Equally haunted.

Equally haunted. And St. Augustine, Florida. You ever been there? No. Go there, drink from the, what is it? The Fountain of Youth.

Oh, that's where it is? And go see a haunted house. You won't be sorry. You'll feel a little sick from the water and you'll feel a little disturbed from the ghost.

The Fountain of Youth. Now, was that like a conquistador in like the 1300s being like, we found it and it's just like a hot spring? Very much so.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, it doesn't actually keep you young. I've aged. I mean, you do look great. Thank you so much. I absolutely lathered on moisturizer because I have a thing about New York is you drink so much here.

Yeah. You drink so much. No, hon. You drink alcohol all the time because you're always like out and fun and doing things in New York and then you go to LA and you're like I'm putting on a face mask I'm getting a facial I'm drinking only water tonight if I have a diet coke that's fucking crazy

you know what I mean I got drunk for the first time last September in New York for the first time ever walk us through it I sold out Radio City twice and my ex-fiance came to a show and I was like, I've earned this. I can get drunk now.

And so we went to is it Marie's Crisis or Crises? Which is it? Whatever you want. Depending on whatever you say right now, that's what it is going forward. So just choose wisely. So that's where I got drunk and it was perfect. Really good. Yeah, it was so nice. So there's just a video of me drunkenly singing Les Mis. Oh, perfect. So that's where I got drunk and it was perfect. Really good. Yeah, it was so nice.

So there's just a video of me drunkenly singing Les Mis. Oh, perfect. So you did the whole thing at Marie's Crisis? Yes, did the whole thing. Yeah. Where I just got drunk and was like Venmoing people. Yeah. And to find out that that's who you are as a drunk person,

like fun ass and sings Les Mis. It was really nice. What's your Les Mis track? One Day More. That's just what they were playing. That's what they were playing. I didn't like request it, but I was glad they played it. So you sang every part basically. Yes. You were the fin Mis track? One Day More. That's just what they were playing. That's what they were playing. I didn't like request it, but I was glad they played it.

So you sang every part, basically. Yes. You were the Finardier. I know it. You were John. You know it. Yeah.

Oh, speaking of Les Mis, do you still have the Hugh Jackman glove? I gave it to my manager as a gift. Oh, that's great. Yeah. So I like framed it

and I also got a Sutton Foster glove. So I framed both of them and I gave it to her at the taping for Have It All. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing. So you leave out the Sutton Foster glove. So I framed both of them and I gave it to her at the taping for Have It All. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing. So you leave out the Sutton Foster part of the story because it's not going to play in, let's say.

Yeah, exactly. It's not as universal. Sutton doesn't play in Savannah. She plays all the time in New York. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to take this show to Australia, London. It'll work there. It may not be as familiar.

I love Sutton Foster. We love Sutton Foster. Love Sutton Foster. I mean, does it all. Does Sutton Foster I mean does it all does it all and by does it all I mean I don't think there's a role

on Broadway she hasn't played oh I'm not dragging her yeah I'm saying she opens a lot of shows she opens a lot of shows

it's like her and like a few other people that like you know if they're in a show like people are gonna go see it and that's why I'm just like let's get more of let's get that

let's develop more stars let's make the night and I'm so happy that we got to talk about this because that's what we'm just like let's get more of let's get that let's develop more stars let's make them and I'm so happy that we got to talk about this because that's what we're doing over at CBS we Viacom that's what we're doing over at CBS my gods we're creating new stars I'm actually surprised to hear

that you screen tested for it I would have thought they developed this around you right no no no oh no I mean this show is it's a reimagining of at midnight so like this is not you know it's it's different than you didn't go in there and pitch at midnight and they were like you know this is something hun no no absolutely not i mean they they hired joe firestone before they hired me like i think they screen tested a few people and so that was interesting to do all this press before the show

came out before i was even hosting the show and they're asking me about it and they're like, so your show. And I'm like, not my show. Like, interesting. In a good way. I love that about it. I'm like, I am an employee, like I'm part of a team and it's why I wanted to do it because stand up such a solo sport, you know? And I was like, oh, I would love to come home and like work with a group of people that I really like, which I do. And, you know, it would take something like that to get me off the road in a significant way. But yeah, I really I was very uncomfortable doing press because I was having a hard time going like

yep, this is the Taylor Tomlinson hour. It's like it's really not at all. I have a very specific job, which is like make three other people look good every night. Like if I'm funny, it's like a bonus. Well, it usually happens. It feels really good when you got to go do the show because

it feels so great when you get there because the writers are all great. I mean, for people out there that don't know, Sam Tiger writes for the show. Joe Firestone is the head writer. Michelle Davis. She's amazing. We met because we did Survivor. We did a quarantine version of Survivor together virtually.

What? We were both in the same. We didn't know each other. I didn't even know she was a comedy writer. She's great. But we were just both in the same online virtual Survivor, which was all on Slack. And I remember they voted her out too early because she was a personality threat. Her personality was too good. A personality threat.

Meanwhile, I made it a really long way because they were like, he ain't winning. You can keep her around. No one wants him to win. But that's the truth. You're not threatening enough. No.

In the personality. Yeah. Now, do you wish you were sitting down on the show? Dancer. It's yes. Honestly,

I'm surprised at how I have to wear heels almost every episode like we've kind of I have gotten my stylist Tara who is amazing

she was putting me in the highest platforms you'd ever seen and you know everyone else in the show is like you know you don't have to wear you're behind the podium

for most of it I thought I'd be behind the podium the whole show but one of I think the network notes was like we want one one act to be out in front of the podiums.

Yeah. We want to see them shoes. We want to see the shoes. We, we just changed it where I was starting the show standing out in front

introducing everybody and we just changed it. Now I introduce people from behind the podium and it's so safe back there. Yeah, because you can hold both things. You can hold both things.

Yeah. No, I've never, I don't think I've ever, I never thought I was going to be sitting down. So it wasn't like I showed up and was like, what? Right. You know.

But can I... And I'm sure you've been told this many times. What I love about you is that you... Can wear a teleprompter. Yeah. Yeah. Well, first of all, this is worth discussing. Because I think you are one of our great pacers.

You are such a good pacer on stage in your standup. Oh, that's nice. And the spotlight really, you really give the person behind the spotlight, like you give them their paycheck because they are just following you. You're moving. And what I love about it is words per minute,

but it's all hitting. It's all hitting. You can just tell you are out. You perform a ton, right? Yeah. I was reading that you, you were one of the highest grossing comedians and like i said it was like 130 shows in a year that is wild yeah it was a lot

yeah it was a lot because we just kept adding which was you know because you love being out there or because you're just like are you someone that like likes your schedule to be full i think both i think i like being out there and there's like once you start selling tickets you just didn't sell tickets for so long that everyone's kind of going like, you better, what's the phrase?

Make hay while the sun shines? I probably said it wrong. Flannery O'Connor. I think Flannery said that. I'll text her. Me not knowing if she's dead or alive. Fully dead.

Fully dead. I learned today. I don't know who that is. She wrote Great Gatsby, right? She wrote Great Gatsby. I love her. Love her in Great Gatsby. Love that queen. We. She wrote Great Gatsby, right? She wrote Great Gatsby. I love her in Great Gatsby. Wrote herself into Great Gatsby, actually. She was like Stephanie Meyer in Twilight.

She did a little cameo. Make hay, make hay. You know, you do feel like, and also during COVID, I thought I was one of the people. It's done. I was like, it's over. There was a studio in LA that had built a stage that was a wall of Zoom screens.

Yeah. Yes. Like 15 feet high. And it felt so Black Mirror. It was crazy. But we did it and we were like, I think this is the future. I think this is no one's ever going

to anything live ever again. And then I think once everybody got vaccinated, it was actually the total opposite where everybody wanted to go out and wanted to be seeing live events and experiencing life. That's pretty cool. Yeah. And I bring up the pacing because you are stationary, standing up in your heels behind a podium. But you do you have a handhold with the podium? Yeah. Whereas I'm leaning on it. You're leaning hard emotionally and physically. That's what it's there for. It's literally what it's there for. Podiums are there to be leaned on.

It's actually real culture. Number six. Podiums are there to be leaned on. It just is. You're doing the right thing. Yeah. Thank you. Did you have fun on the show for real?

I had a blast. And I, as I was leaving, it was that thing of like everyone being like, that was so fun. That was so fun. I want to do it again. Dot,

dot, dot. And because you feel what you were saying is like, I guess that is like the consummate host thing to do. It's like, right, you get there and your job is to have

everyone around you shine and you get there and you immediately feel like there are so many jokes that are like, like there for you and they're listening to you about what you want to say too.

And you get paired with a writer and I had Sam and we know each other and there was also so much of him in the humor too which I loved and I was like I was just it was a really good vibe and you should be really proud of that again I have

literally nothing to do with anything like I can't take credit for anything about this show like I did not hire anybody I'm one of the people they hired and I'm so glad they did because everyone they hired is fucking lovely like there's not one person when I go into work. I'm one of the people they hired and I'm so glad they did because everyone they hired is fucking lovely. Like there's not one person when I go into work that I'm like, I hope I don't run into so-and-so. Like everybody's so great. The writer's room is so talented. Like it is both harder and easier than I thought the job was going to be. But I mean, again,

people being impressed I can read. I'm like, I usually have to write my own shit. Right. Like, there's nine people writing me great jokes every day. Yeah. Like, this is the dream. This is fantastic. But aren't you, like, sort of reassured that, like, you can succeed in both of those, like, parameters, though? Like, I can nail my own stuff and I can be the delivery system for someone else's thing. Right. Like, that's hard.

Well, yeah, to keep all the plates spinning, right? Yeah. In case this one shatters. Right. Showbiz. There's a whole other plate. Then you're like, well, I know you don't buy tickets to see me do stand-up anymore. Did you know I could read?

Yeah. I can actually read quite well. I do it almost every night. Cold read every morning in that meeting. Cold is hard. Hard is part of that job. Mispronouncing words in the writer's room. Cold read first off where i'm like this is

humiliating yeah yeah and also i would imagine you're pretty like literate with pop culture and stuff but like when there's a reference that you don't get like such as flannery o'connor like people could just be talking about her right in front of you and you don't even know who she is right like for example like that could happen like often pretty often but i feel like you are on your reference i don't know not always there's sometimes i pretend and then we get to rehearsal often, pretty often. But I feel like you are on your reference. I don't know. Not always. There's sometimes I pretend and then we get to rehearsal

and I go, Jack, can you explain this joke to me? And then the whole control room's like, we don't really know either. Or like Joe has to explain it to us. And like Joe Firestone's like, I think it's just dumb. And I'm like, okay, I just wanted to make sure. It was just dumb.

It might just be dumb. It's just dumb. And I'm like, okay, good. I was embarrassed to ask in front of 30 people this morning dumb and I'm like okay good I was embarrassed to ask in front of 30 people this morning but I'm glad we talked about it that's great

and there's also times where they write a really funny joke and I'm like I just have never said that before like I've never said like read you to filth like I've never said that yeah totally

you know where I'm like read you to filth yeah I'm like I just can't sell this of course you know I mean there's a lot of gay energy there because I remember

like speaking of like you wearing shoes and like looking amazing I just can't sell this. Of course. I mean, there's a lot of gay energy there because I remember like, speaking of like you wearing shoes and like looking amazing, I actually did this gay thing to you. What did you do? Do you remember? She remembers. You never do a gay thing.

I'm mortified. I think about it every night before I go to sleep. I loved it. I went. Finger wrap. I shook my finger. And you also did this.

I was like. You went up and down. Yes. Because honestly, you had earned it. But also did this I was like you went up and down yes because honestly you had earned it but right afterwards I was just like did I just like

be so gay at her but I was that's actually good because I actually am that gay and I meant this when I did it yeah I meant it

it didn't feel empty it was motivated and it was positive you're not an empty gesticulator in fact the girl today at the coffee shop who collapsed when I said that you were coming on the show Literally goes. Oh, I watch her show every night her suits

She watches the show and she watches your stand-up she's a huge fan My favorite part of your episode is there was one point where I think James Davis buzzed in before you and you went No! Yeah, that's really my energy, though. I don't like it. I've done a lot of game shows, even though this one's like fake and, you know, like you're playing. You've been on both sides of that game show paradigm, too. I've done a lot in that space, weirdly enough.

Not because I'm like passionate about the form. It's just I say yes to shit. Yeah. So there was a moment on Celebrity Jeopardy where I screamed no when someone else got a thing. Because it was like, I think it was literally like a gay question for me. And I was like, I felt it was like a Beyonce question. And I was like, I felt it was completely unfair that someone else should be able to answer. I was like, no, this is my category.

It was like, it just didn't feel right. And so I made it known audibly. And you're like, this is TV. Let's run's run it we don't have to pretend this we're really playing i mean i got to be on the show with caroline ray that's yeah well come on yeah you guys are really connecting i felt like definitely connect i mean all three of you played really well together james was great too i don't think you'd ever met anybody like nobody had met each other caroline I had had like an online like fest

one time because she is Henry Kupersky my ex my musical director that's like his LA mom so I know her a little bit and she does give that energy

but also just like one of the comics too which is fun she was so good and Hilda and Hilda come on were you a Sabrina fan?

I couldn't. Religious household. Yeah. Religious household. No witches. No witches. No cable? I think we had cable, but it was like, I don't think we could watch like anything on Nickelodeon.

Okay. Like they were like, cat is too mean to dog. Like it was like Angelica's too mean to the babies. Like it was. Yeah. Cat is too mean to dog. Yeah. Angelica's behaviors were not in God's light. That's for sure. No, no,. It was, yeah. Had it too mean to dog, Angelica's behaviors

were not in God's light. That's for sure. No, no, no, no, no. But cat dogs also demonic in a way. Oh, yeah. No, it was unnatural. It was unnatural.

It was clearly that animal was from hell. Here to wreak havoc on every child and like really be in the nightmares of kids. Right. Totally.

Yeah. But see, this is a curious, not a phenomenon. I just think there was a time when I felt so like, I was like, what the fuck?

Like not a religious household, but no cable, right? So I felt like I was going to school like totally huge. In the dark. Totally in the dark. Yeah. But there were like

the very religious kids who still had access to it. And it made me so jealous of like, see, like this should be a thing that like is restricted to you. And yet you have it. And yet you are being a very like pious child by like not not accessing it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

No, being sheltered as a kid is not a good situation. I think I watched Napoleon Dynamite through other kids quoting it. But I think Napoleon Dynamite was actually kind of like youth group friendly too. I can't remember. In presentation it was. I think because of the way he dressed. And the fact that he was so sexually non-threatening.

I think parents were like, this is fine. His t-shirt's tucked in. His t-shirt's tucked in. He's clearly wearing clothes too warm for this heat that he's in. Uh-huh. We're okay. And I think there was a thing about John Hader being Mormon where I think there was a lot of Christians at my school were like, Oh, no, we love Napoleon.

Like, it's the one thing that we can watch. Yeah. And I was like, happy for y'all. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Sheltered goes, but it's not just you can't watch this it's demonic there's also just what's out we don't know what's popular right yeah we're too busy watching veggie tales so did you go on veggie tales did you go on like a spree at when you

sort of got some freedom from that like did you go on a pop culture spree did you say i'm reading every book about a witch well i read I read Harry Potter for like two years. And then my dad took us to see the third one and was like, these dementors are the devil. Yeah. These are demons. And so took it away. Devastated. Absolutely devastated.

And then like my senior year of high school, I think I saw the last one in theaters with my friends. Wow. I was like, it's like a senior activity. I don't even care. So when it was taken away from you, what were you barred from doing? The books and the movies? All of it. Yeah. And I was obsessed.

Obsessed for two years. Got me through my mother's death. And it was just gone one day. So when people make fun of millennials for liking Harry Potter, I'm like, that really got some of us through some shit. 100%! I'm very much like.

1000. Yeah. Yeah. I was just talking about this yesterday because we were talking about JK and like what's gone down with her. And it's just like, it's so shocking that someone can so understand the experience of being targeted for like being different, et cetera. And she can be this way. But I really do. I'm in the Daniel Radcliffe school of like, if it was important to you, like it can stay important to you. Like that art and the impact that it had on you

isn't invalidated by this person falling off the deep end, whatever, and for whatever she believes. But I did notice those Harry Potter references in the specials. Oh, yeah. And I was like, this is formative.

This is millennial formative. Very formative. This is millennial formative culture. Very formative. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I'm Julian Edelman.

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your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Oh my god, also I listened to your Challengers episode this morning. You did? Yes. Did you see it? Well, after you did our show, I like binged the podcast. You did? Oh my God. I love this podcast, which I'm sure you're sick of hearing because every guest is like,

I love this podcast. That means a lot. It's so nice to be excited to come to a podcast and not like dreading it. Oh my God. I've been so excited. But I was so excited to talk to you both about Challengers because I saw you posting about it on Instagram. I saw it Friday night and I had seen it the night prior.

Yeah. I saw it Saturday afternoon. Let's go. I can't wait to see it again. And I listened to the whole thing because I was like, I don't want to be repetitive. I know they already covered it.

let's repeat. Oh my God. The fucking churro scene. Yeah. Start to finish. Starting from when he pulls the stool over with his foot. Yeah.

That shot of the foot. The shot of the foot. Oh my God. We were, I saw it with my sibling and Zach Neutauer who was opening for me in Denver.

I love Zach. Yeah, Zach's the best. But the three of us saw it and I was so jealous that you two, did you see it together the second time? We saw it together.

The second time he saw it, yeah. I saw it Thursday because I just couldn't wait. And then so I was like excited to go the next night too and I tried to keep a secret that I had seen it

but I couldn't hold it in. I couldn't lie. No, I could not lie. So did you, your theater was like excited to go the next night too. And I tried to keep a secret that I had seen it, but I couldn't hold it in. I couldn't lie. No, I could not lie. So did you, your theater was like excited. They were like cheering and laughing and all that. Yeah. God, see, I was so jealous when I heard that because ours was quiet,

but I actually think ours was just as into, it was totally packed, but everybody was like, nobody was talking. The whole movie. I mean, barely breathing. The whole movie. Not to do spoilers, but just as vague as I can be, the racket

part, which we all saw coming from a mile away. But it was so satisfying when it happened because we were just sitting there like I don't think Zach and I were breathing for like a minute as it's going in slow motion. And then it finally happened and I think we both went Yeah. Just thank you. And you know what you were pointing at?

You were pointing at incredible scripting yes which is aspirational screenwriting this is is it justin koritsky's justin koritsky's yeah this is like even though you knew it was coming and also credit to luca guadagnino because like you knew he was going to do that to signal it but what was great about that scene was watching him decide whether or not to do it. And so even if you saw it coming, the moral conundrum of is he about to tell his

secret right now? And that, if you felt like you were ahead of it, like that part still, it like kept that tension up. Yeah. Also, I don't think everyone did see it coming for the record. I'm not like, oh, that was so obvious. We all work in entertainment. So, of course, we saw it coming from a mile

away. Like, well, you know. I will say, though, like... Well, you were saying on this episode that, like, it is not so telegraphed. The way that that information is first planted is not, like, so obvious. Heavy-handed. It's not like Chekhov's Gone, where you're like, that's coming back. It's like,

he does it, and it's this fun moment in the movie. You get what it means. And then in the moment at the end when you realize it's coming, you're like, holy fuck, what is this gonna push it to? And then where it pushes it to is, I believe, signature, iconic, important. I love it.

What you and Zach were doing though with the pointing, it's reminding me of this thing. Okay, so you were on Stradio Lab. Perfect, perfect episode. You were doing, though, with the pointing, it's reminding me of this thing. Okay, so you were on Stradio Lab. Perfect, perfect episode. You were saying how, like, if it's like a comedy bit that can work anywhere rather than like an alt thing where you're just performing to the comedians in the audience. If it's a comedy bit that can work anywhere, a comedian won't laugh, haha, but they'll go, that's fucking great. Yes. You know what I mean?

Like, that's your response to like seeing something that you like just know is sublime. And rather than being like, ah, which we were in our theater, you and Zach were like, right there. That's good. Yeah. Which is the hardest part about after midnight,

maybe that I have to make my face and voice do what my heart is doing. When people have a good joke is I can't just go, that's good. And hit the button. You have to really make yourself audibly laugh. Yeah. Which has not come naturally to me. When do you think that stopped? Were you ever a laugher? I can't remember. I mean, you're a great laugher though. That's so nice. I'm so glad. And it feels real. Oh, good. I mean,

it is real. The emotion is real. It's just the physical act of, it's like when you're younger and they're like, you have resting bitch face. And you're like, I guess I have to address that. Like, you know, and I mean, I've been doing stand-up since I was 16 so it's hard to know exactly when I became a dead-eyed comedian because I can't I'm like was I a laugher at 15 I can't remember so I don't really know you know what's funny like I

was always a laugher and then I was we were both laughers through college I remember that was like a thing like we would go to each other's shows and they'd be like they laughed so loud Bowen's laughing at Matt's stuff Matt's and they were like it's not as funny as they're laughing but we genuinely were like we thought it was and then I don't know what happened but

maybe in like 20s late 20s like when comedy was the only thing I did feel that stop and I don't know what that is it's come back I think as I've stopped doing explicit comedy as much and now do more acting. But like, it's been nice to feel like entertained again by stand up.

Yeah. Because that is something when you're around it so much as it does start to feel like it's less about acknowledging it like in a visceral laughing way and more about like being like, I'm giving them credit for that. Yes. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And it is I'm giving them credit for that. Yes. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And it is important to give the credit. Yeah.

You know, it means something to comics. Like that's why like I would imagine JFL like where we first saw you was like a whole thing because it's like there's audiences that are laughing and also the industry is such a thing there. Yeah. But like there's also the other comics there and like the sharing of like everyone's comedy. I remember that was a really fun night

that night that you were performing Just for Laughs. The variety. The variety. Which I totally forgot we even performed for that. I only remember doing

the like panel. We did like a panel for it. Uh-huh. Truly R.I.P. Because I know there were some people in comedy who were kind of like ding dong

the witch is dead when JFL kind of stopped. Yeah. Growing up in Montreal, it was the thing that like got me, you know, it would be a thing where you really go into town in the summer and like, there would just be like free performances outside.

And like little kid, me like sees a mime, do a fucking quaybequois ass thing. And I'm like, I love this. Like, what is this about? And I,

it is kind of sad that it's it is this institution and like we mourn it to an extent but like it is kind of like it's one less outlet for like comedians coming up now which is like kind of a bummer yeah yeah not to bring this down well no no and it is weird when things sort of

cycle out and something else becomes the thing like I remember when I got the 15 minutes on Netflix I think that same year they offered me the half hour on comedy central, which was all I ever wanted. But then by that point it like, wasn't the smartest idea to do that because people couldn't find it or watch it because they weren't putting it online. Right.

So like things shift and the thing that was your dream as a kid goes away. Like I feel so bad for people who wanted to be on Conan and, like, just missed it. I know. Like, oh, my God, it sucks. Because I thankfully got to do it a couple times. And that was, like, the dream for years. Because that's what I watched growing up. Ah!

You were ahead, like me. You were a Conan ad. This is a thing. Okay, so starting at 16, I think you and I have hit the mark where it's the majority of our lives now has been us trying to aspire to comedy.

Have you been doing this podcast for eight years? We're on eight, yeah. That's crazy. It's insane. We're over 400 episodes now and it feels so weird. It's now been a part of our life for a while. That was years into us doing comedy too, so what you're saying is true. It's like half our life we've been trying to do this. So like, do you

anticipate any feeling about when you hit the, that mark? So I guess whatever, not to like do the math, but like once you're at that point, does it mean anything to you that you're like, I've been doing this, this has occupied most of my life? Oh yeah. I mean, I don't remember if I say it explicitly and have it all. I think I might say, like, I've been doing this for half my life. Yeah, because I turned 30 right before I filmed that. And yeah, that's almost. So you started at 16. Yeah. So what does that look like? Like you go, because I would imagine, like you said, you grew up with a sheltered upbringing. I started in churches.

You started in churches. Okay, so what is a church set? What is a, do a set. Do a church set. Is it about Leviticus? No, I mean, some people did, people did a lot of church jokes. I didn't have any church jokes. Yeah.

But I don't know. I think I had like abstinence jokes. Yeah. Which not every church would even let you do that. Yeah, because that probably felt edgy too. Which I was like, I'm pro abstinence guy. Yeah. And that was just because, which not every church would even let you do that. Yeah, because that probably felt edgy too. Which I was like, I'm pro abstinence guy. Like I was 17.

I'm like, whatever. I'm never, whatever. That's so stupid now. But at the time I was like, I'm saying the right thing. And they're like,

don't even bring it up. Like don't even talk about sex. So funny. Yeah. I had the thing where, totally different from standup though, where it was like, we were doing improv in high school

and we would go downtown on Mondays to the Bovine Metropolis Theater in Denver, Colorado and it would be like 15 year olds performing with like 32 year old like drunkards. But it was totally normal to us. We were just like

this is what we want to do. And like but those shows we would say like it was to get our suck out. It was just a bomb and bomb and bomb and bomb and bomb and bomb and be comfortable with bombing. I'm sure it's not the same with you, but like-

No, it is. Really? Absolutely. Yeah. No, you suck for so long at standup. You suck for so long. And that had to be terrible to suck in a church. Honestly, I think churches are a weirdly-

Safe place? Sorry, took me a minute. Terrible to suck in a church. I didn't even mean it that way. They hate it when you suck in a church i didn't even mean it that way they hate it when you suck in a church but people are i i actually think if you were clean they were actually too supportive like where i'm performing for like hundreds if not thousands of people for 15 minutes when i'd been on stage less than 30 times yeah and making a couple hundred dollars

like that's insane right talk about a safe, supportive space. And then by the time I was going up in clubs when I was 18 in San Diego, people were like, how'd you get so polished on stage? And I'm like, I got too much stage time too early just because I was clean. And it's such a small

scene, if you could even call it that. A circuit, I would say. And so when you're that age and you're starting to do stand-up, like, but you've had the upbringing that you had, like, who are the icons? Like, who do you look up to? Like, Brian Regan. Oh, okay. You can listen to.

There's a serious XM clean comedy station. Oh, great. And that was the one that was spinning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like Brian Regan and Jim Gaffigan. And then they're like, hey, Mitch Hedberg, actually okay. Like. Mitch was okay

yeah he was on the clean station a lot yeah I mean not every single one he did swear sometimes but you know there were certain ones were there not a lot of

female stand-ups then at the time Kathleen Madigan Kathleen Madigan was so good you feel like at that time like a lot of female stand-ups were sort of like

erring on the side of like edgier because they felt like maybe they felt like they had something to prove or literally did because they're just they weren't giving them the time and the space. So that probably made them something that was outside of your

viewing habits because they were not appropriate. Yeah. No, it was like Kathleen and Ellen is like who you could listen to comfortably with your parents in the car. And I don't know. I get annoyed when people go like, isn't it just such a boys club? And you're like, shut up.

Like, no, like not anymore. Not with the internet. It hasn't been for years. But, you know, 15 years isn't that long ago. No. Or even 10 years ago that that was such a thing. Like, I remember Bridesmaids came out my senior year of high school. And it was like, talk about formative.

Yeah, it was like insane whoa, talk about formative. Yeah. It was like insane. They were like, so many funny women in one movie and they let them make this and it's so wild. And again, that's not really that long ago, but now we're like,

Oh, we have girl strip. We have joy ride. Like we have so many of those examples now. Yeah. Yeah. We're, you know,

it's easy to forget. Totally. While we're in this zone, we should ask the central question of the podcast. Taylor Tomlinson, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? Okay, I thought about this a lot. A lot of things I could say.

I think the culture that made me say culture was for me was Baz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet. Good for you. In ninth grade. Thank you. That's good. Ripe culture.

Thank you so much. When we were all like, do I understand Shakespeare? Yeah. Like, you're 14, you're like, I get it. And then you could watch Clueless and be like, this is also Shakespeare. Yeah. Which it's not, it's Jane Austen.

But you felt like Shakespeare. Yeah, you're like, I totally get it. Time was in the same way. You're like, it's a book. And everyone's like, oh, okay. okay like you just felt like you were so they say anon in both yeah yeah anon

it really it just cause my sibling and I actually we watched some of it last night cause I was like I gotta remember

this movie and I think it holds up it's oh yeah I think it's so good it holds up at the very least as a shampoo commercial

absolutely it holds up as a shampoo commercial. He is giving you Garnier Fructis. My water went down. Fish tank commercial. Honestly. Yeah.

The fish tank culture. Thank you. Bring back the fish tank. Such a 70s, 80s thing. Yeah. That like really died maybe with that movie, unfortunately.

I can't think of another one. I can't think of another fish tank. No. You know what I mean? Well, the one Monique Samuels had in her house on Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh, sure. She sat in front of it.

But that's it. That's it. I would say that that movie was not only a Leo moment, but that was the Claire Danes moment. Oh, yeah. And that was after My So-Called Life, right? Yes, it was right after.

She was fresh off of My So-Called Life and Little Women. You have to imagine, like, she could have made, like, Kate Winslet-y choices and Gwyneth Paltrow-y choices. She got offered Titanic. Yes, this is culture. Which is wild. Yeah.

Now, did you see this before or after Titanic? Oh. No, I saw Titanic first. Yes. Okay, so we had the same order of this. Leo Fever. Leo Fever, and then you go back and watch Romeo and Juliet and it is just God bless Jack Dawson. But there's something about Leo playing Romeo that is the actual awakening.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Well, he's wearing a suit. And he's wearing a suit. He's wearing armor. He's wearing like, oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Yes.

He's got one outfit in Titanic. Right. You know. Yeah. I mean, he's got the one outfit and then he cleans up and you're like, see Romeo and Juliet. Oh, you're right, he does. Kathy Bates puts him in the suit,

but it's like, again. For a second, and they slick his hair back and it actually is not as good. It doesn't work. You know what? I understand it for people. It's not for me.

I want him rough around the edges. When he goes downstairs and he takes off the jacket. 100% hot. He had that insane side bang too that everyone tried to do. Yes. That moment. The swoop. The swo that everyone tried to do. Yes. That moment.

The swoop. The swoop. The swoop. Yeah. But that's really. Oh, can I? I'm going to be annoying. Oh, no.

We did a Moulin Rouge scotch on SNL. So good. Thank you. Loved it. It was great. It was so good. I get an email and I've been too scared to reply. Can I?

Should I just do it? What? I don't know what this is. Are I... Should I just do it? What? I don't know what this is. Are you going to reply on the podcast? I get two calls from an unknown number. I'm like, what is this? Then I get an email. Baz Luhrmann.

Shut up! I'm going to read it and then we might cut it out if it feels too intimate. Baz Luhrmann emailed you about the sketch? You can't cut it out. This is the thing.

I have not replied to him. And I'm publicly... I think we're going to see what the contents of the email are and then we're going to decide. Okay, okay. He's not mad? He's not mad.

Okay. The subject line is, I wish you'd been around when I was casting Moulin Rouge. Don't tell Ewan. Stop! Hey, Bowen, this is a note from a fellow Aussie.

First, I wanted to say how well you nailed Moulin Rouge on SNL. If only you'd been around when I was casting. Jokes aside, I love that you... Okay, yeah. Anyway, this is all very sweet. How would you feel about a coffee?

You gotta get coffee with Baz. I gotta get coffee with Baz. Are you kidding me? That's all. Sorry. But you've been too scared. I'm so scared. It's not obnoxious.

It's not obnoxious. And it's good because now if he had any feelings about like, oh, Nearing didn't respond. No, no. Now it's out there that you're like, I was too scared. I respect you too much. Exactly.

Yeah. I was at the same house party as Baz Luhrmann in L.A. And he hangs out. This guy hangs out. I'm just saying it was after 1 a.m. You were not getting coffee. You were singing Les Mis. I was not.

I was not. It was just so funny to see him out in the world because he's one of those directors that's like also a star yeah you know what I mean

like and they're out there but like he's a star just being the director he didn't start as like a personality no no no you see that

white silver head and you're like you are that girl yeah you really are so Romeo and Juliet does that mean and Moulin Rouge too

and Moulin Rouge too Moulin Rouge so you're a Baz freak yeah I liked Baz I like did you guys like I mean now you're getting coffee with Baz

so maybe you can't speak clearly we can still talk about art okay okay great did you like Great Gatsby I didn't see it you didn't see it oh thank god

so you don't see it I liked it I liked it but a lot of people didn't like it I should have seen it you should have seen it I really liked it

how was he as Jay Gatsby? I thought he was great. Carrie? Carrie was good? So good. Yeah. Who was the Tom Buchanan in that? It was Tobey Maguire.

No, it wasn't. No, no, no. He was Nick. Oh, no, no, no. He was Nick. He's Nick. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I didn't see it.

Okay, should I look it up? Should I look it up? Yeah, yeah. I know who it was. I have the IMDB memorized like a gay guy I want to say it was oh god I want to say

I want to say Joel Edgerton I was going to say Joel Edgerton yes but I thought I was wrong oh my god Elizabeth Debicki

wow yeah it's a great and I love Fisher oh my god yes it had a great cast Lana Del Rey song yes still love me when

I'm not oh my god honestly do you like Lana I do I recently got into Lana and now it's a large part of my personality

but you never were before no what's funny is we were saying that we think that the millennial generation either really fucking gets her or really doesn't and what I blame

is the SNL performance oh yeah because remember when she came out oh I heard you talking about this yes she came out she did that SNL performance and it kind of was like I was really the SNL performance. Oh, yeah. Because remember when she came out? Oh, I heard you talking about this. Yes. She came out, she did that SNL performance and it kind of was like,

I was really following SNL at the time, like obsessed. And I just remember the narrative wasn't great about that. And then Kristen, we came out and did that

weekend update character. That sat throat to defend her. Let's just like nip this in the bud. Let's just cool down. This is crazy. Everyone's losing their minds over this woman.

Yeah. In a weird way. But in that regard, like the conversation was so about something else that wasn't her music. I also don't think my taste was like refined. Not that it necessarily is now, but I can listen to her music now and like really appreciate how incredible the songwriting is, both lyrically and melodically.

And also when you look at the past 10, 15 years, like just how much she shaped the sound of all these girls, is both lyrically and melodically and also when you look at the past 10-15 years like just how much she shaped the sound of all these girls because it's almost the same impact that like the style of singing Mariah and Whitney and Celine had on like Christina Aguilera and like

Disciples in that regard it's happening again now with like Lana Del Rey into like Billie Eilish and Camila Cabello and like you know you know, you just, Taylor Swift. Like you just, and they're not shy either about saying she's mother. In my coffee shop in LA, the girls love Lana. And I told them I'm going to Coachella.

She's their Taylor Tomlinson. And the one girl goes, wait, I love Lana. Gen Z. Gen Z. Wait, I love Lana. And then I Gen Z. Wait, I love Lana. And then I go, you love her? She goes, she's my mother. Wide-eyed, directly, she's my mother.

It was perfect. Very good. That's so funny. It's so funny, all the little... Isms. Isms from Gen Z, because I have three younger siblings. Sometimes I feel so old,

because I'm like, that's so funny how you do that. And they're like, oh, this is a thing we all do. Yes. That I feel so old because I'm like, that's so funny how you do that. And they're like, oh, this is like a thing we all do. Yeah. That I thought they like made up. You have to start doing that. You have to start doing that. Just do it during the show when you think something is funny. Just like Oh, it's so good. I'm so old. I can't. I'm so old. Sometimes

I do the hair behind the ear and I'm like shut up. You're 30. I'm like, I can't. The little, yeah. Oh, I've been doing that since a young age and I have nothing here. We're just gay. You're the youth. You are the youth. You're 30. What? Like this? Yeah. Oh, I've been doing that since a young age and I have nothing here. We're just gay. You are the youth. You are the youth. You are the youth.

We're two wizened gay men in their mid-30s and we're telling you, you are a young child. You said you turned 30 and I had a rush of jealousy. Really? No, not really. I actually think once- We're all the same age. Once you hit 30 and- We're all the same age.

You were all the same age, A. And also, it kind of gets better. You couldn't pay me to be in my 20s again. No, fuck no. No, fuck no. But you really, I think you really

provoked thought within me when you talk about turning 30 and have it all where it's like, is the life, not to get too existential, but like,

is this the life that like we envisioned for ourselves? You know what I mean? Yeah. I love the metaphor of like being on a freeway and like you're in one lane that's backed up and then you switch to the other and then you gotta switch back to the other like that's what it feels like

yeah and i feel like maybe i've been in the same lane too long career-wise right where i'm like you feel that way well i'm like i i don't have breaking news bo and news, Bowen quits SNL. Yeah, this is where I announced it. Gets one email from Baz Luhrmann and quits SNL. We can blame your special too. Yes, exactly. The stuff that you said made him quit. Do you feel that way though? 1000%.

You've been in comedy for too long? Not comedy. I've just been like, it's just been like, and I'm so lucky. Yeah. This is constantly what the theme is in therapy of like I don't know how to like operate outside of this system you know what I mean? Yeah do you feel like that Matt?

Honestly I'm lucky in that I have a lot of different aspects to like what makeup I'm really lucky that I just have so many talents I can sing really well it's just there's a lot that there's a lot of tools in my tool belt whereas you guys have like a wrench and that's it

i'm trying to say it now you just can't say it but i should say it yeah i'll say it for you i don't ever get bored because i feel like i don't have a steady job like actually majority of things i've done have only gone one season and i try not to take anything personally because I'm such a small part of everything but in that regard I always feel like I'm always learning yeah you know what I mean like and I feel like I wouldn't have traded anything in my career so far even though there have been times where I've felt like when I compare myself to you which just happens when you're in like a very close relationship with someone and you grow at the same time, I feel like, you know, what would it be like to have a job all the time that, that constantly demanded so much of my energy. And I think it will be

twofold. One, I think it makes you into like a machine. I think like I have seen, like you've always been sharp and great, but like just the way that you prepare now the way that you're on top of things your confidence as a performer I think that like. For the listeners Matt's talking to Bowen. Not me. I just they can't see eyeline I just want to make sure they know. But it's the same with you too though because when I hear you do 130

shows in a year and go out and doing that like you become like a machine and I feel like my experience in the industry and with my art is different because i have like a lot going on and i think it's just it's honestly two experiences that i think make us very uh compatible honestly as comedy partners because we look at things really differently but have a really similar sensibility that's just thinking about us together but as an individual like i never beat myself up about like not getting this or not

having booked that or whatever, because again, maybe that's thirties too. You know what I mean? It's like, what's the point? Yeah. I mean, I'll say I really relate to what you were saying about feeling like you were in the same lane for a long time too, because that's part of why I took the job at Afterman. It's honestly one of the main reasons I took the job is that I was doing my dream job, which was touring theaters, doing standup. And I was starting to feel like, oh, am I going to get stunted if I'm just going out in front of audiences that paid to see me, want to see me, like me already. And I'm touring with the same two people who are like my tour manager and my one of my best friends. Like, how am I going to keep growing as a person if I'm just doing whatever I

want all day and then going out to applause at night? And then I come home and I recover for two days and then I go back out there like I loved being on the road and I didn't like being home. And I'm like, that's not healthy. Right. So I took this job because I thought I need to have a job. What you're saying of going, what would I be like with a job? What would I'm like that's not healthy right so I took this job because I thought I need to have a job what you're saying of going what would I be like with a job what would I be like with that structure what would I be like with somebody saying you have to go do this like you have to go to this dinner you have to go to this luncheon and it has been very strange and at times annoying yeah but every time I get annoyed by those asks that aren't really asks, they're demands from a network, I go, oh, but this is exactly what I wanted.

I wanted to be a part of a team and a larger machine and know what it feels like to have some things outside of my control because otherwise how am I supposed to keep developing and maturing as a human being without just going on stage every year and still talking like I'm 23 right you know I think that all that's important is that you feel challenged and good yeah about what you do you know what I mean it's like and the second it starts to feel like that's not true anymore I feel like I would just get nervous because it would mean that I was becoming less sharp and good at what I was doing. So it's less like anyone could like you could find something that you love doing and just do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. But like it will end. And then where will you be? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like so

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podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Would you act? I would act, yeah. You're a very good actor. That was where I thought you were going when I first saw you, I'll be honest. Oh, really? I was like, I can see her leading a sitcom. That's so nice. Well, I never wanted you're a very good actor and you're standing up. That was where I thought you were going when I first saw you, I'll be honest.

Oh, really? I was like, I can see her leading a sitcom. That's so nice. Well, I never wanted to do a sitcom. I don't really like, from what I hear

from friends of mine, I don't like a TV schedule. Like, it just seems kind of like a nightmare. I like the idea of a movie because it is, there's a beginning and end. You know,

it's not just like, year round, you're doing these crazy days. But again, I like stand up so much and I like doing this show so much now that if I was going to act in something, it would have to be something I was really excited about or something I wrote, which is, as you know,

what we've been doing for years, like me and my writing partner, Taylor Tetreault, have written scripts and sold them. And that's been so great because even if things don't get made, which nothing ever does, but when things at least get sold, you get the validation and working with her is so rewarding. And I feel like I learn a lot. So, you know, and also a lot of times like those things that

percolate from way back do come back when like you have moments like this and like now you've really hit a stride. It's like, you know, you never know. So that's. Yeah. And look, when I was auditioning for JFL, I don't know if you had this experience, but every time I auditioned for it, whoever was hosting was somebody who had already done it. Yeah. And they were like, don't expect a deal. Like, it's not like that anymore.

They're like, it's over. And when I got New Faces, I did get a sitcom deal. Yeah. And like developed that and sold it and it didn't get made obviously which thank God it didn't because it allowed me

to go on the road and then eventually do the special that was Quarter Life Crisis so yeah it's one of those things where I feel honestly terrible for actors

I think it seems terrible to audition constantly just acting would drive me nuts would destroy me if that were my only thing, my hat goes off to people that put themselves out there again and again and again

and their nose are so frequent. Oh my gosh, yeah. I'm like, nerves of steel to do that. Totally, totally. But I wonder, did they ask you to host the Golden Globes?

No. They didn't ask you? No, no, no, I'm not, no. See, I think they, would you do it? I don't know. I think they made a, I think they... Would you do it? I don't know. I think they made a huge mistake in not asking you to do it.

Oh, no. I'm not famous enough for that. Yeah, but... I'm not well... You have to be well known. I mean, Joe Coy sells arenas. I know that's true.

And you felt that room going... Like, it's crazy that this business does not respect stand-up the way it respects movies and TV. Of course. Yeah, I felt the shift getting this show the way it respects movies and TV. Of course. I felt the shift getting this show, the sort of congrats and attention I got.

And I'm like... Where was this when I was getting the Netflix? Yeah, I was like, you know, we make more money on the road, right? Do you guys know that? It was... So, I don't know. I don't think that I would be the right person to do that

if nobody in that room knew who I was because they'd be like, what? Well, I feel like you just get around that though by then introing up top and being like hey you might not know who I am I host a fucking late night show on this network but like when you came out with Steven and did a bit I was like for the Emmys I was like oh there's

the host for the Golden Globes I was like then I just felt like because Daddy Viacom we sort of speak the same language I was like this would have been an amazing way to launch the show, too. But also, whatever. I don't know. I feel like Colbert bringing you up on stage at Late Show was, that was such a great, I felt this like power,

this energy, whatever. But like it was so cool the times that he would bring you on to like talk about the show. It felt like a great torch passing, anointment, whatever. I hate those concepts. No, it is. And he's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was another reason I wanted to do it because everybody loves working with and for him. And I mean, him and Conan have this in common.

I've talked about before is like, they're just, it just seems as if they're always on. They're always hilarious. They're always so warm and friendly in a way that just does not come naturally to me and I'm so impressed by I mean yeah you like touch your heart like that hit you

do you feel that way I feel that way all the time where I'm like oh I'm not I'm not the version of myself that like

any given person would think I am and I don't feel like you talk about your social anxiety a lot I feel like you are just kind of

like honestly who you are and it is just like a different sort of like analog of like your stage persona. Which is not good for show business. You should be better than what I am all the time. Like, do you feel like you're good at being famous? No.

You don't. Yeah. Matt seems like Matt's good at it. Matt's good at it. Yeah. You seem uncomfortable a little bit in the way that makes me adore you so much. And I relate to more, like I respect that Matt's really good at it, but I can't relate to it.

I can't relate to it at all. I think I'm I think I'm just a true extrovert. Yeah, I think I'm just the true extrovert. And I enjoy the part which is like talking about the work. And I like entertaining in that way. Yeah. But I've noticed that about myself too and sometimes I'm like you're so annoying Matt

because we'll get requests together and we'll be like I'd like to sit down that day and I'm like I don't want to sit down I want to run around in a circle I want to drink soda I think it is like a thing that forms you as a I don't know

where to trace it back from but I've always had a lot of fucking energy and sometimes I feel like I give too much of it up and then later I'm really tired yeah

and I don't notice I'm doing it until later and I think you don't have to be in the entertainment industry to understand this like sometimes it's like

you just give a lot socially and professionally to the point where later you're like wait where am I right like I entertainment industry to understand this. Like sometimes it's like you just give a lot socially and professionally to the point where later you're like, wait, where am I? Like, and it gets a little confusing sometimes because like I'm dating a lot more now. And sometimes it feels like, where does the performance of the me end? And where am I actually dropping in and listening? Like I felt bad, but a few weeks ago I was out with somebody and I realized like of the me end and where am I actually dropping in and listening? Like, I felt bad, but a few weeks ago I was out with somebody

and I realized, like, I hadn't been listening to what they were saying. Yeah. Because I think I was thinking about what I had said and how it had gone over.

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I was like, where's the light coming from the bar? You know when you have to get good at knowing that dating isn't like a competition or a game that you can win? Yeah. It's like I feel like I learned that and then I forgot it. And so I was just like, wait, let's reset. Like, let's talk to a person. You're not performing here today. But when you do it all the time, it can get a little confusing. And you bringing up your therapy, this is what my therapy is about is like actually just dropping in and taking a breath and not having to be plugged in and excited

all the time like not everything has to be a consume thing or like a give thing it's like you can just sit like meditating is not something i understand yeah but i do you do that i can't because i'm anxious right not because i'm like i Right. Not because I'm like, I want a soda. Like I'm just scared. Yeah. So we got to drown out the noise. But that's how my anxiety manifests though is I do too much. Oh, totally different.

Was it on Seth that you were talking about how you got invited to, was it a party at Taylor Swift's? And you're like, it was a Sunday and I needed to sleep yeah and I was like that's my guy that is my guy that's exactly how I feel like especially starting the show they were like do you want to present to the Grammys and I was like no yeah and they're like well you have to and then I got strapped so I couldn't but oh my god you got strapped I literally did get strapped I truly did um but, there is so much anxiety and panic that will happen for me in preparing for things like this.

Yes. No matter how big the opportunity, that it will ruin the opportunity. Yeah. And it's the preparation on, for the specials, like the road for you then? That's easier. Really? Yeah, the road is prepping for the specials. Yeah.

So like the process is... But these big events, I'm like, I don't know how to do this and I'm not comfortable. And it also sort of like, it's so disenchanting. I'm like, it'll ruin the Emmys for me if I have to stand in that line

and take a picture. That is the part I really don't like. The social part of it with other people that are there really intimidates me. What I think I like is the going and the doing of the thing. Like I like going and like doing a bit. Or I like going and like if I'm with when I'm on Seth or like any of these late night things, like whatever. I love going and doing the show. But sometimes it's like I remember last time I was on Seth Meyers,

I had to do like a social media bit with Jennifer Hudson. Oh my God. And I had to go into her dressing room and be like, hi, I'm Matt. You mean a lot to me. I've been a fan of yours for a long time while her team sort of sat there and we're like, and like, she's so chill

that I started to feel myself going up. Yeah. And I was like, relax, relax relax that part drives me nuts yes but the doing of the thing yeah is fine but standing there

and like when I found out that's what a red carpet is a lot of standing and waiting to see if anyone wants to talk to you on the line

and maybe they don't yes like it's like oof yeah but then are we saying that like Colbert and Conan are like this

rare breed of like comedian and performer that like that's just who they are I think so I mean that's the impression I've gotten they're the two that I've spent the most time with I mean I've done Seth and he came in and was so lovely before and like he seems so great like he was so great on your show

so I think some people are just like like you Matt just wired for it and it's like hard to accept that you can get good for it and it's like hard to accept that you can get good at it but it's still not gonna become like i'm never gonna have it in my dna like that right so the way you had like stand up in yes yeah that's where i feel like myself on stage even if i'm nervous for a show or a taping or whatever like that's who I feel like I am inside, but on carpets or whatever,

I'm like, who, does anyone need a drink? Like, should I be working this event? Like, I just can't. Did you ever think about

doing an Elvira-esque character on the red carpets? Sort of just going as a another you? Mistress of the night. Mistress of the night. Maybe you could do that. That'd be such a hard turn for me

I think you would look great in wigs don't you think she's got a good face for wigs this is an amazing compliment that I'm giving you not everyone has a face for wigs you do no I don't you know who has a face for wigs

it's Sarah Sherman she transforms she's on SNL you all have faces for wigs? It's Sarah Sherman. She transforms. Yeah, like you. She's on SNL. You all have faces for wigs. No, we don't. We don't. You do. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

We're not having this discussion. I look the same. And I have so many beautiful discussions with the departments there where I'm like, I think this character should not have glasses because then it looks too much like me. It comes down to this thing. I thought you became that iceberg.

I really did. I was like, who is that? He was an iceberg. You know what's very powerful? Bowen in a mustache. Bowen in a thick mustache is very powerful and you see him begin to think about hopping.

Yeah. You see the neurons. You see the neurons fire. My follicles don't grow I have a question about sorry such a hard turn go

birth order this new eldest daughter syndrome thing is kind of like getting a lot of are you what eldest yes

eldest daughter and it's all true what's this okay so I think the times did this whole piece about eldest daughter syndrome is it syndrome

or is it Becca I think it's syndrome syndrome yes and the times yeah it's just is it Becca? I think it's syndrome. Yes. And the times. Yeah.

It's just me and my sister. I have eldest daughter energy but my brother and I are only a year and a half apart. So I'm an eldest daughter and this is the only daughter. Yes. Got it.

So what is this? What do they say about these girls? You're absorbing a lot of this because I'm sure a lot of this is being directed at you. A lot of guilt. A lot of like taking on responsibility. Like a lot of feeling like you have to parent your younger siblings and they're like, fuck off.

Like, which is so fair. I saw a TikTok of a younger sister who was like, something happened where when I was a teenager, when I was younger, I really like worshipped my older sister. And now it like kind of shifted where like she wants to be my friend and And I'm kind of like, OK, which is what I felt with my youngest sister. So the shift. Yeah. For a while I was like, why is she not calling me back? And like she's like, yeah, when I was a kid, I wanted to be you. And I'm like, where's that? Like, where'd that go? And then I think she got really smart and was like, oh, you're. What does she do? Yeah. She's in grad school right now. She's very smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'm like, well, how can I compete with that? I'm a rat comedian who's being applauded for reading. You read great, though. Thank you so much. You're in the top 1% readers. You professionally read that shit. Thank you so much.

We would get pulled into things. Remember like Seriously TV, RIP? Like I would go in for Seriously TV stuff sometimes and it was, a lot of it was reading off a, like you would like send, you would literally write

your own thing and send it to them and your own words would be on prompter and I would still fuck up. It's so unfair that that is like something that you kind of have

to be good at to do that stuff because some people are the funniest people in the world and they're just not quick readers right you know what i mean are they're just not like people who can like correct on the fly like that like yeah i would imagine that you see that all the time at like tableways for snl like certain actors coming in and you it's not for everyone like to be able to to do that and like not only to do it correctly but also to do it in a compelling and funny way is tough.

I mean, again, on becoming disenchanted with the whole entertainment industry, as you get older, I think at least this was how it was for me when I was younger. You're kind of like, I'm going to be a legend and I'm going to work really hard and I'm going to sleep on the floor in the airport at 5 a.m. And I'm going to grind and do it. And then as you get older, you're like, there's so many talented people. And I can think of 15 who deserve what I have more than I do or just as much. That feeling when you're younger, where you're like destined for more or you feel special, it just like goes away, I think, or it has for me where I'm just always like, which may be good because it's replaced by gratitude. But I'm like humility, gratitude, all those things that should be there.

So many stars have to align for a person to be successful in this very unfair business. Like, you have to be so many different things. Like, you have to be funny and smart and warm to people. I mean, not always, but you have to have a bunch of things going for you and luck. Yeah, of course. And also the leadership quality, which comes when your name is on the title. I know you're saying like,

oh, it has nothing to do with me. It has nothing to do with you, but it does because like, you know, that is your name and that is your, you are the engine of the show. And so like, it is really great. I'm super excited that it's like doing as well as it is. Like I was saying, like doing as well as it is.

Like I was saying, like not only is it doing well, but also like your fans are very engaged online. Like you have girls collapsing in coffee shops. Like the dream. I mean, this is the dream. And so I don't know. I'm just like, give yourself all the credit in the world and keep shooting for the fucking stars. No one deserves it as much as you.

No, you're right. I single-handedly am responsible for any and all success on the show. No one deserves it as much as you. No, you're right. I single-handedly am responsible for any and all success on the show and anything wrong with it isn't my fault. There you go.

You heard it here first. But honestly, I do hope you hold on to some like one inch tall version of like that younger person in you that was like,

I'm going to be a legend or I will be one. Like what you've done is really remarkable, I think. And I think like humility, gratitude, great. But also, there's

something about that little guy that I think is helpful. And you need to tap into it. You know. Just, yeah, when you're feeling like an imposter. Totally. I was watching the specials OG-ly, as Matt said. But I also re-watched them this weekend and I was just like, God, she's really fucking good. Yeah, you really are. She's so

good. And I think you are in this space where you are like a comedian's really fucking good yeah you really are she's so good and like i think you are in this space where you are like a comedian's comedian and then you you also play to like everybody and that's like such a unicorn these days i think that's really nice i mean you never really know if you're a comedian's comedian because you're like doesn't everyone hate everything like you just kind of have to go like i bet everyone hates me and it's fine like you don't really ever know you never know well you know. I know. You never know. Well, you know what's funny?

Like I feel like I went from like, like we talk about the laughing and then the acknowledging and then back to the laughing. I think that means I like sort of tried to divest from like my peers opinion of me because I know that if it were to be negative, that would really hurt me. And I think that that's something like, maybe that's another element of like growing up a little bit is it's just like,

I'm not going to put myself in a position to be hurt like that. And if like someone like you guys, like didn't think I was worth my salt, that would really hurt. Meanwhile, like I can go out there and like the audience might not get something.

And I'm like, I'm going to roll with you now. But if it were other comedians, I think that would hurt. Because we know we've been in those environments where it's like we were all like might not get something and I'm like, I'm going to roll with you now. But if it were other comedians, I think that would hurt. Yeah. Because we know we've been in those environments where it's like,

we were all like fucking going for something like JFL. We were all like poor together. We were all getting paid in two drinks or two Diet Cokes because you didn't drink

until last week, I think. But you know, it's just like, so now it's just like, I do what I do because it makes me happy and it makes people happy and it would drive me fucking nuts if it's just like, I do what I do because it makes me happy and it makes people happy

and it would drive me fucking nuts if it didn't make people I respected. Yes. Which way you have to pick like three people you respect and talk to at all

and talk to at all. And those are the people you care about and everyone else you're like, yeah, but I also like when people don't like me,

I'm like, I get it. Like I could, I could argue that side. Totally. Oh, their complaints are actually my complaints too. Yeah. Annoying, I get it. Like I could argue that side. Totally. Oh, their complaints are actually my complaints too.

Annoying, talks too much. Not that smart. Has an underbite. Right. I was gonna say. That's me, I'm putting myself. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

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How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at nine on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image,

and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life.

Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. Guess what, folks? We're teammates again. And we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude, you're a dude and dudes on dudes is our brand new show we're gonna highlight players peers guys that we played against legends from the past and we're just gonna sit here and talk about them and we'll get into the types of dudes what kind

of types of dudes are there grunts we got studs wizards we got freaks or dudes dude we got dogs dog we'll break down their games we'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. Is Randy Moss a stud or a freak? Is Tom Brady a dog or a dudes dude? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.

Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez

story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. So this is really the segment where we hang our hat here

at the podcast. I mean, this is it. I mean, this is what's made us really timeless, like Shakespeare and Baz. This is one minute to rant against something in culture that's getting to us. And I have something as of last night. Matt Rogers, this is your I don't think so honey time starts now. I don't think so honey, the Olive Garden.

Okay, there is such a thing as being too good to be true. And there are three things, soup, salad and breadsticks. Okay, let me disclaimer this. This is not an I don't think so honey to you as an institution. It's an I don't think so honey really to me and my self-control. Unlimited truly does mean unlimited. And when you have one bite of that bread, that salty fucking bread,

and you dip it in that Zupa Toscano, which is my soup of choice, not to disrespect any of the other soups, I would definitely try to dip it in some minestrone. But I cannot stop myself. This salad is one of the world's greatest salads and then i have to say something you're already jacked up full of soup ssb and then you got your tour of italy okay

because you're like why not i'm not gonna be full seconds into the meal i don't feel good today 15 seconds and it's because not because of olive garden because of me because of my choices it doesn't feel like a little bit of a betrayal that they would, because of me, because of my choices. Does it feel like a little bit of a betrayal that they would do this to me after I had my 19th and 20th birthdays? Both two years in a row at the Times Square Olive Garden where I went last night? Yes, it does. Will I keep coming back? Yes, I do think so.

And that's one minute. I'm so chock full of food right now at this moment. Like I'm bursting. I'm going to start sweating the bread. What moved you to go last night? I was on a date last night. And you went to Olive Garden? That's so sweet. I went to Times Square.

We had done this fun stupid thing where we're like, we're going to go to Dave and Buster's and then go to the Times Square Olive Garden. Like I said, I'm out there dating. We're having fun. And I felt like this would be a way to not have it center around like alcohol. Yeah. Which is I think. You centered it around breadsticks.

Something else that's slowing me down today. Carbs. Also a hangover of a sort. They don't tell you about that. No, they don't. I literally woke up today and I was like, whoa, I guess I drank too much. I had one beer and 5,000 breadsticks. Yeah, they should cut you off.

That's what happened. There should be a breadstick bartender. There really should. There should be someone be like, hey man, are you okay? Because you do get kind of drunk. I mean, you're like on that bread. Yeah.

On that bread. Let's get it. You know what's funny? Like I had so much bread and like a whole bowl of salad. And usually it's like, what's so great about soup salad

breadsticks unlimited is the soup because I'm a soup queen like I love soup I think it's so amazing I think it's one of the great inventions

well Bowen likes more stew I am a stew I love stew he can tell you about it wow okay he loves stew great

yeah stew is just soup with something to say you know that's a little culture what number great. Yeah. Stew is just soup with something to say. You know? That's a little culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What number is that again? 25.

Stew is just soup with something to say. That's amazing. Wow. Ooh, yeah. So your merch should say soup queen on it. I mean. And it already does. And it already does.

I'm changing it. I'm changing it. We had, what was the, we came up with good merch the other day. Don't talk to me. I'm vulnerable or something. Oh, yeah. I remember that. That's great. We're came up with good merch the other day don't talk to me i'm vulnerable or something oh yeah i don't remember that that's great we're coming up with good merch all the time and we never print it yeah i would wear don't talk to me i'm vulnerable so fast you so fast you'd wear it well my younger sibling made me a sweatshirt once that maybe it was something

they said maybe something i said that said like i'm great but unavailable wow i'm great but yeah that's good tips for later but also says what's yes stay away yes oh i love it beautiful bowen yang you're ready for i don't think so honey ready okay this is bowen yang and he is gonna do his i don't think so Honey starting now. I Don't Think So Honey in New York has 36 questions to fall in love. Guess what? They don't work. Okay? I've fallen out of love with individuals

because they went through the whole fucking charade of like looking into my eyes, reading off these questions. One of them is, if you had the choice to be 90 years old and have either the mind or body of a 30-year-old, which one would it be? I don't care how

you answer that. I'm not going to like the answer. That's a weird fucking question, New York Times. How about, Grey Lady, how about you try to put strands on the games app? How about you get the editor of Connections to make some fucking sense for once?

How about you make Spelling Bee not have a Q in it on a Monday? It's really fucking my shit up. New York Times, I could begin to list off the gripes I have, but let's start with the 36 questions to fall in love because you are ruining a lot of potentially mid dates and making them intolerable.

And that is one minute. Do you guys know about these questions? I know about these questions. I will say that question that you talked about, that's the easiest question to answer. Body. Body, yeah. What? But he doesn't like it that you said that. No, no, no, it's not that.

I didn't know. It's not that. He wouldn't have liked it either way. He wouldn't have liked it either way. Yeah, you hate that I bought into it at all. I've fallen out of love with you, Taylor. Yeah, but can I tell you something? It's about starting conversations. Yeah? It's not about being definitive.

It's about starting conversations. Like, you ever played this or that? Yeah. Oh, it's the conversation starter. And really, that's just a this or that. That's just a this or that.

It's just in the paper of note. Right. Well, one of them is like, sum up your whole life story in four minutes. You're like, this is so sweaty. This is so like, okay, like it is someone being like, the paper of note right well one of them is like sum up your whole life story in four minutes you're like this is so sweaty out of town this is so like okay like it is someone being like let me be fucking charming towards you and you're like stop okay but can i just say those questions are not

for people with podcasts you know what i mean like those are for regular people right and the fact that you're even trying to pass judgment on it is not okay. Oh my God. Those questions are for people who are not interesting on their own and they need a template

for dates. Oh my God. Yeah. She's so right. You're so right. You're so fucked up on it. I'm just, look,

you probably have questions that you want to ask everybody because you're an interesting, talented person. Birth order, eldest daughter. Birth order, eldest daughter.

That's what I'm saying. You're made of this stuff. Yeah. But people have you, like, that's why I can't watch dating reality shows. I'm like, I don't want to watch regular people get to know each other with another fucking barrier. Like a literal barrier.

I watch Love is Blind. A literal barrier making it even harder for you to connect. It is painful to watch. The Bachelor is the toughest for me. Because it's like people who socialize at a certain level. And stay in the morass. It's just kind of like, and I want to think it's funny, but I really ultimately just think it's boring. Yeah.

I just, I can't pretend to be like when two people are like you want kids i want kids exactly wow they're gonna make a lot of sense yeah they're like we both want two that's crazy yeah and then everyone's fighting over the same guy because they want to get like it just i mean well it all boils down to i saw this person and was the horniest for them yeah yeah they are the one who wins because guess what? Nothing really changes in two months. You're still in a manic period. Yes.

It's true. It really is just like mania of the show. Yes. It's like we're going to put people in an insane situation with a camera in their face and ask them to perform constantly. And it's just like, of course nothing works. Get them drunk. Take their phone.

It's abuse. It's abuse. It's literally a manic episode. And no one knows that because we're watching it like weeks apart. But like these people are cooped up for like two and a half months. Only talking to each other. And then guess what? The friends they make one day are just gone.

Yes. Like Eric goes to talk to Rachel. He doesn't come back. Yeah. And we've been hanging out for two and a half months. Also, you're lying to your family. Where are you?

Like when they come out and they're like, I'm engaged and they're like, you said you were doing like a sleep study. Like what do they tell their loved ones?

What if something happens? Like, hey, hey, is this Mrs. Eric? Yeah. Eric fell off a boat in Copenhagen. Can you come ID the body? Oh is this Mrs. Eric? Yeah. Eric fell off a boat in Copenhagen. Can you come ID the body? Oh, dead, by the way.

Yeah. You don't really survive that kind of thing no matter where it is. Well, does Ted know about this that you're not a Love is Blind fan?

We're telling Ted. No, no, no. I am. That's the only one I've watched. That's the only one I've watched is what I'm saying. Yeah. No, I had a while

with Love is Blind too. Don't tell Ted. Don't tell Ted. I had a while with Love is Blind as I've talked about in this podcast. I'm like, Yeah. No, I had a while with Love is Mine too where I was like, don't tell Ted. Don't tell Ted. I had a while with Love is Mine as I've talked about in this podcast. I'm like,

I can't stick with it. I can't watch any dating show. I cannot watch. That's the only one I could. I did watch like the social dilemma reality shows like The Circle and stuff. No, I don't watch those.

I did watch The Ultimatum which was insane. The Ultimatum was crazy. All the way through. Yeah. So I've seen the one season of The Ultimatum and I've seen, I think, two seasons of

Love is Black. You gave it a fair shot. I gave it a fair shot. Yeah. You did it. I did it. I mean, seeing two seasons of anything, I can say I watch something if I watch four episodes of it. Oh, yeah. Then I consider myself a fan and an authority. Yeah. And I come on here and I say, here's the

definitive word on this thing I've seen an eighth of. Yeah. And I come on here and I say, here's the definitive word on this thing I've seen an eighth of. Yeah. And people listen. And people listen and then. If something's popular enough, do you watch four episodes of it just to be a part of the conversation?

Yeah, four seems reasonable. Unless watching, it's going to be a miserable experience for me. Unless the genre, I don't do scary and I don't do like graphic. Right. Okay. I'm good with anything.

When people come on SNL and host, do you feel like you have to watch their stuff? Not as much anymore because now I'm going to anything. When people come on SNL and host, do you feel like you have to watch their stuff? Not as much anymore because now, I'm going to peel back the curtain, Lauren doesn't like when they promote the thing too much. Oh, interesting. So it's like,

there might not be a sketch about their project. Right. Which I think is fine. Unless it's cultural zeitgeist. Unless it's zeitgeist and like, oh sure,

Gosling can do it. I'm just kidding. You think you're going to shoot your shot on a challenger sketch this week? Oh sure. Something with the score. Something with the score. that's your pull. I it. You think you're going to shoot your shot on a challenger sketch this week? Oh, sure. Something with the score. Something with the score.

Well, that's your pull. I don't know how you're going to make that funny because the score was perfect. It's perfect. Yeah. Why am I thinking I'm thinking of a sketch?

Okay. Oh. I can't say what it is because Bowen says if I ever pitch him a sketch, they can't use it. Oh, really? Legally.

It's a legal thing. I could sue. Yeah. If I feel like he listens too hard. Oh, legally, I could sue them. It's a legal thing. I could sue. Yeah. And you just seem like the type. If I feel like he listens too hard. Oh yeah, I'm very litigious. Speaking of being on the edge,

it's your turn to do it. Oh my God, I'm so scared. Okay. Don't be. Don't be. All right. This is Taylor's Almond

since I don't think so honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so honey. People who skip the museum gift shop. Oh, I'm sorry. You go to one, one museum. And on the way out, you're like, oh, what? I forgot that was here. I start with the museum gift shop. Oh, I'm sorry. You go to one one museum and on the way out, you're like, oh, what?

I forgot that was here. I start with the museum. How else are you supposed to know what to pay attention to once you're in the museum? OK, I don't want to look like a fucking idiot standing in front of an unimportant piece of art. No, too long. I'm getting teary eyed in front of a painting of a field going oh my god what's this one called landscape by who the fuck yeah no what made the magnets what made the postcards what can i take home with me you think it's cringy to buy something from a museum gift shop you think you're better than a starry night umbrella you're fucking not i want to remember the time i saw the scream

in person it was like wow i'm doing something yes fucking cultured yes i want to remember the time i saw the scream in person it was like wow i'm doing something yes fucking cultured yes i want to bring it home with me i want to put it on my refrigerator bare minimum use it as a bookmark in a book i started and didn't finish right i don't think so honey you are not better than the museum gift shop and that is one minute also if you don't go to the museum gift shop and get something how are you you going to have too many shirts? Yes. How are you going to have too many shirts if you didn't buy one at the museum?

Yes. And it's important to have too many. Yes. The only other way you could have too many shirts is if you start doing stand-up and you get one from every club you've ever performed in.

That's the only other way and that takes years. But if you're not a stand-up, then what are you going to put on your coffee tables? Go to the museum gift shop to buy the book. Grow the fuck up.

Where was it that we went in Berlin? We went to that museum in Berlin. Remember? We didn't go to a museum. Oh, we went to a Berlin museum. I forgot what it's called.

But in Amsterdam, we went to the Rijksmuseum, which is what I love. Is that where I bought my yellow shirt that I've never worn? That's where you bought a yellow shirt

that you've never worn. And I wouldn't have it taking up space if I hadn't gone to the gift shop. And that's important culture. I need to see what is the jigsaw puzzle. Yeah.

Yes. And then I'm going to be like, I know to go to that. Yes. You'll miss the room if it's too big. The best museum I've ever been to is in Oslo in Norway. And it's I can't pronounce it, but it's so good. And there's so many different types of things in there. And you could absolutely miss something if you're not careful. I went two days in a row because I missed stuff. It's so smart to start with the shop because then you've kind of outsmarted the layout and the floor plan. You know what I mean? Like the traffic pattern. You're like, let me start where they don't want me to go first. Yeah. I was talking to my sibling about this last night

and they go, it's like reading the study questions before you read the chapter. Yes. So, you know know what always gets me? This is sort of my museum. Is it the park? Yes. I get a mug, a coffee mug from every ride I like. Yeah. If I had a good time.

If I had an amazing time, which I often do, especially once. So we went, we went on the Jurassic Park ride a long time ago. One of my favorite mugs I have, and I wouldn't have it if I hadn't bought it. Yes. That's exactly right. It's actually real culture number eight.

I wouldn't have it if I hadn't bought it. This is an important part of culture. Capitalism, consumer, you know, like this is what

this is all about. I love that you two love theme parks because that's another thing that people act like they're too good for. No, shut up.

Give me a break. Theme parks are so fun. They were built for your imagination. Exactly. Get your steps in. Every day, I watch YouTube videos about the construction

of Epic Universe, which is the new theme park that is going to double the size of the Universal Orlando Resort and truly start the theme park war in Orlando. Or will it finish it? Stay tuned. It's a totally separate theme park. It is a totally separate

theme park. I am going to send you some links. Please do. Because let me tell you something. They are not playing. Not playing. Do you like the movie How to Train Your Dragon? Stop! Talk about a score. You spoke of Harry Potter earlier.

Yes. You're in luck. They're doing a Harry Potter ride? Yes, they are. And it might be called Battle at the Ministry of Magic. And the villain might be Dolores Umbridge herself

reprised by Imelda Staunton. Okay? There is new technology they have not yet revealed that will make the attraction unforgettable. Then there's Dark Universe, which is going to have all the Universal Classic monsters. Then, there's Dark Universe, which is going to have all

the monsters. Universal Classic monsters. Oh my God. Dracula. And finally, Super Nintendo World. Wow. You're going to ride Mario Kart.

Oh yeah, there's Nintendo World at Hollywood. Have you been yet? Not to Nintendo World. You got to take the whole team. Take the whole team. You got to do it.

You got to take the whole team. You, Joe, I would love to see Joe. Joe has been, Joe has taken her niece, nephew, one of her relatives to that park

and has a lot of things to say. Does Joe like theme parks? This is my new tattoo. Oh my God, I'm so excited. I got a roller coaster tattoo. Roller coaster. This is a metaphor for friendship. So it's healing,

but that's two people on the ride together. And they're going over the hill and they're in zero gravity. Isn't that cute? That makes me happy. That's so cute. It's got the circle. You can't that cute? That makes me happy. It's so cute. It's got the circle.

You can tell that's fresh. It's fresh. It's fresh. Yeah, she's got her second skin on. But what's this joke that you have? It's like recycling in a theme park. You're part of the problem. Oh yeah, you're part of the problem.

Throw your hands up. Throw your hands up. Oh, being like offended at a comedy show or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not trying to be a good person at a comedy show. You're here, you're bad at a comedy show.

It's like trying to recycle at a theme park. Yeah, yeah. You're here. You're part of the problem just throw your hands up

so good throw your hands up title up title up throw your hands up and we throw our hands up for Taylor Tomlinson

we throw our hands up and clap them in the air wow this was so fun thank you so much for having me we are so happy

you came honored like I said one of the first things I saw you when we met for the show was like it's not a surprise to me at all

to see you continue to be so great and do so well so star star star watch After Midnight and we end every episode with a song

After Midnight I'm really gonna do do do do do do do oh Chappell sorry do you know Chappell has a song called

After Midnight of course I know you've been told yes of course I think we used her song in our trailers for the show. Perfect.

I think it was just so perfect. She's fucking so amazing. You should play it right before the show, but I know you haven't. I asked our amazing Percy, our incredible warm-up guy. Yes, oh my God, I was going to say, he's great. Isn't Percy amazing? He's got a great warm-up. People come to the show for Percy, including me.

He doesn't just he dances he dances well like knows the Beyonce single ladies dance yeah he does it all and then he's like Matt come on and do it and I would never do that

but he got me to do it and I didn't know it but he got me to commit which is the power of Percy which is the power of Percy I asked him to put Hot To Go on the list

and when people know the dance it's really fun but you do have to wait a while for the dance to kick in. So I think I need to tell him the timestamp on it

because sometimes people get because he has audience members come up and dance on commercial break. And some of them know Hot To Go The Dance. Yes. Chapel is taking off, man.

Oh my God. She's so good. Chapel, come on the show, girl. Percy. Oh, she'd love the show. I feel like she, well, she knows of the show

because she won album of the year last year before her album even came out at the culture awards amazing and she sends in a video thanking us and watch this space chapel

you may be racking up some noms at this year's culture awards bye bye on Thanksgiving day 1999year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.

Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details,

and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question. What kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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