Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "To Be Memed" (w/ Mindy Kaling)

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Mindy Kaling elevates all our lives and sits down with Matt + Bowen— on Culture Awards release day, no less!— to discuss the place of awards shows in culture as collisions of couture and competition. Also, being that person who knew the writing staffs of your favorite series, “webisodes” culture, and portraying both Kelly Kapoor and Ben Affleck onscreen. All this, burrata, spacebar smudging, and door knocking as an expression of one’s kooky self. Not Suitable For Work is Mindy’s latest and it’s streaming now on Hulu! So to Hulu with you! And also Bravo and Peacock to watch those Culture Awards… and get a taste of the glamorous life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow, my. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong.

Las Culturistas calling. There's a couple items of business to get to before we bring in our iconic guest. One, Fraser is here watching. Hey, Fraser Olender. He's here. This is his first episode of Las Cultures as a spectator because his favorite human being is in the room. Huge. It happens to be the guest.

actually. That actually happens. There's several people in the room. I'm S.O.L. with my own man. I don't stand a chance against our guest, but that's fine. That's fine. I'd pick her too. Other orders of business.

You can watch or stream the Lost Culture Reesus Culture Awards tonight. Tonight. As of this episode airing. Our other thing is airing. And, oh, wow. I'm really, gosh, I have been more susceptible. What's going on with your body? Why do you touch yourself like that?

chest like this. I always get worried. The veil is really thin right now. I've been really like genuinely star-struck and nervous around our guests recently. Today is really no exception. Can I say we, Fraser and I have been preparing for the episode and I said, so he says,

The Mindy Project is my favorite show. I play it on repeat all the time. He says he's watched the entire series at least five or six times. It's, at least. It has the patina of like a cheers now where it's like, Oh, that's your comfort watch. So we watch the episode where Casey Wilson

fucks Ike Barrenholz. Really good stuff. I just love when good people get together and pretend to fuck on television. And that's a rule of culture number eight. I just love when good people get together and pretend to fuck on television. And so that was a wonderful and joyous time

sort of reconnecting with that show. And guess what? There's a brand new one out. Not suitable for work. You can stream most of it right now. The last two episodes are going to come out next week because today is June 17th, the day of the cultural awards.

Lots to stream out there for y'all. Lots to stream out there. Running point. Oh. By the way, these are all stuff that our guest has created. It's a goddamn bonafide mogul. To say nothing of Never Have I Ever,

sex lives of college girls. Our guest is famously Kelly Kapoor from the office. And just let's just have a moment for that. Let's have a moment for that. and let's have a moment to welcome. Mickey Kling. That was the best two and a half minutes of my movie. And it was two and a half minutes.

I think we didn't even really get out of that. It was, I'm so touched. And mostly because Razor is here. Yeah. Okay, I was pretty sure you would know who he was. Yes. And we were talking about him because my whole writer's room, both of my writer's rooms were so excited and jealous that I was coming here today.

And we were looking, okay, can I talk about the photos of you guys? You can talk about it? That's not a spoiler. People know that we were on a carpet together. Okay. The Marshall's blue carpet. Is it okay? Because it doesn't come out to later.

Okay. Yeah, we're good. And the photos are out. The photos are out. The photos are out because of it are out. So we were talking about the photos of you guys on the red carpet and what a handsome couple you are. Thank you. And then some of the writers, younger Gen Z females, as I'm sure, are obsessed with him

and his physique. Yes. Especially, and then love talking about the show. And then, so I'm really honored that you love because the Minty Project is like kind of a deep cut. You think? I think so. It's got your name in it.

I know, but I think that it's sort of, you know, is never like a big hit when it came out or anything, but the people who liked it, like did and they sometimes turn up. So thank you. Thank you. But is that kind of what you want, though? You, of course everyone wants everything to be huge. But ultimately, what you want is for people that get it to really get it. and it's like truly important to them.

Well, I have a theory that you have to be somebody's favorite. Yeah. It's like even if that's a small group, you have to be somebody's favorite. And there's, I think, a lot of celebrities out there who were like kind of famous. But if you had to ask anyone, like, is this person someone's actual favorite? This is a, they're not. But like, I would say that like the one thing I'll say is I do think for some people that show is somebody's favorite. And so now I have real truth.

So, no, they're riding the seven Cs, streaming the Mindy, I'm telling you. Telling all the people and all the ports he goes to. Have you heard? The Mindi Project. The show, Mindy Project. I can't do it. An insane Indian woman and Ike Barronholtz.

Try to have sex in New York City. I try to have sex in New York City. Try to connect. I also want to tell you and you hold a special place in our heart because of the first culture culture awards. We obviously did our opening number and then every single time we watched it. we watched it. It goes from us and we threw over to you and you were our first presenter of the night. And we just, we were watching it together for the first time before it had come out and we were just like watching it to be the cut.

You know, and you came on the screen and it just validated the whole thing and just made us feel so happy that you would roll the dice on something that like was hard to explain. Like it's an award show, but it's a comedy special, et cetera, but you were so down. Okay, I have a couple of reactions. One is, thank you for saying that, but I was so pissed being backstage that I had to follow your dance number. No. It was, in Europe, like, that was such a beautiful thing you said, and I'm sorry to answer it with anger. But I was like, I have to come out after that. I mean, it brought the house down, this dance number, and then I had to come out and be like, wow, in my dress.

And so I'm very, I'm very pleased. I mean, it was great. Don't know why I wasn't invited this year. Oh no. So I saw Who did I see on the carpet? Before you Before you.

Michelle and G. Yes. That, I mean, and they looked amazing. They really did. There's is a really cool romance. There's a really cool and great love.

That's real culture number 12. Chriselle and G. Flip, theirs is a cool and great love. And Rachel Ziegler. Yes. You know,

so I saw a lot of, I was about to say contemporaries, but I don't know that Rachel's Taylor would be like... Absolutely. I think she'd be honored to hear you say that.

She's my great granddaughter in culture. But I did see, you know, when you got invited to be on the first one, and then you're looking for that invite. Oh, no. Then why don't we just go ahead and call it an eternal invite to the show? Okay, thank you. We would never turn you down or away. Just, just, it's in the mail going forward.

Here's my wish. Go ahead. This is going to be a huge hit tonight, right? The show is going to be amazing. We hope. Who knows? I want next year for it to be. such a hit that next year everyone's like asking their publicists leading up like I got to get in

there I got to get in there I really want to do it and it's very tight like remember at the vanity fair party oh yeah you're like am I going to get invited this year sometimes they make it really small I want it to be very tight and I want to be one of the very small exclusive few who gets to present okay got it noted would you like and I'm not even going to let him speak anymore because before before was a damn mixed message invitation would you like to win one award would you I, okay, I want to win, but I don't want it to be rigged. So could it be... I have to break something to you.

The whole thing. Okay, I didn't want it to... I mean Hollywood. I mean all this. This, okay. Yeah, of course, I'd like to win. But in a way where it was like, that's stacked against me and it's like, I can't believe it.

Like, it's like parasite winning. Yeah, yeah. You want like a... You want like a Marissa Tomei moment. A Rissotomei moment. Exactly. And I wanted to be like, oh, my. My God, I want my competitors to be like, Renata Renzvi and Tina Faye, Glenn Close.

Take them all out of cross all. Yes. And like an extremely old person where you don't know if they're going to be able to come back again. So it's got to be them. You know, and then they're like, I'm mitigating. I can go up and be like, this wasn't, this should not be me. And this podcast will just erase for memory. Yeah.

So this never happened. So listen, just, just, I mean, you know how I feel. Okay, now we do. You got some friggin A-listers in here. You got some frigging A-listers in here with their hot takes. Look who we're talking to. Did you see Nicole Kidman have what I would call like a little bit of a happy fit over my shirt with Looney Tunes on it? It went viral.

Great. Seems like you saw it. Yeah, it went viral. But she's like, she has an other. I mean, I think you could agree. And I think the appearance confirmed Nicole has a otherworldliness. Yeah. And if you're lucky, like it feels like if you're, it's.

A couple of these, like, moments will appear. She remembers everything. She remembers everything. And you know what someone said, this is a woman. Oh, when we asked her about, like, would you want to direct? She was like, no, I just love acting so much. And then someone else, a friend pointed out, like, this woman has never had a side hustle. And isn't that amazing?

Yeah. Like, I, we can't say the same for us. No. Like, this is the side hustle. I'm sorry to say. This is for you. When your side hustle is Chanel ambassador. That's like a real.

You're right. You're so right. Right? Like, it's, it's, it's, that was a great episode. Thank you so much. I mean, the thing is, it was, it was odd to feel at the end. Like, I could go out for drinks with the coke in my. Ah!

Sometimes, sometimes people come in and I'm like, that's my friend now. We never speak again, but. I find that so hard to believe because I feel, and, you know, you guys are so busy, I've only met you a handful of times. One time at the Olympics. One time in Milan. I walked right, you and that. parking lot.

Yeah, we were upset actually in that parking lot. We were dealing with a situation where one of the people in our group left her credentials at the hotel. Oh, no. And we were like,

do we wait for her, but we're going to miss the opening, Sarah. You forgot your credentials? That, because, you know, that was the kind of thing where they told my group,

like, 30 times. Yeah. And they checked the credentials on the bus, and then they, who was it? We can't. It was a universal talent,

right? It was not universal talent. Oh, it wasn't. It was. It was. It was. Haya Gerber? Can I guess celebrities?

It was Kaya Gerber. I just know that she'll be able to shoulder this. If we start a rumor about Kaya Gerber, she's going to be fine. Leaving your credentials is like not the worst things for Kaya Kerber to do. Exactly. Come on. No, the person who loved her, like, oh, it's she her. It's actually been gendered.

But I think for her also, like she has a Kaya Gerber-esque quality about her. Well, what ended up happening was this girl who was like a hot, incredibly attractive girl was like oh I forgot my credentials fuck maybe it won't be a big deal guess what reader it wasn't it wasn't she breezed through was in the seat way before us I was like yeah I figured

it out it's like yes you did confirming every bad feeling that we think of like you don't need credentials if you're so hot particularly in Italy where I'm sorry in Milan like you're like oh right racist country if I didn't have my credential they would have

been like, you must go back to the hotel to to sit alone. All night, you cannot see opening ceremony. Exactly, exactly. Sit alone all night. Sit alone.

Sit alone. Sit a room service. Sit alone. Sit a lonely. Sit alone. Is title of app. Absolutely. How was your Olympics?

Because we barely saw, we did not see you after that. You guys were working, right? Yeah. You were working and bringing a lot of joy. And I think explaining what was going on.

In the best way we could, which by the, way by the end, we actually knew the rules to ice dancing. And we're self-described super fans. Absolutely. He was really into the curling. I love the curling. Yeah. Wait, so you did a lot of different events.

Speed's getting. I sat out of hockey, of women's hockey. He did sit out of women's hockey. Because you don't think of women's to play hockey. No, says Bowen. This is a man's sport. It's a man's sport. And yeah, it's my anti-lesbian

sort of sentiment coming out. but I really did not enjoy it. Finally, public. I am sad that I missed it. Yeah. What did you go to? I went, so this happens very rarely, but it's kind of glam and nice. Where Warner Brothers, who are my boss, generously just said, do you want to come with some people to go?

And so it was me and a couple of other Warner Brothers celebrities. And they're like, can you just want to watch ice skating? And then we shopped. And then I left. It was a quick. So nice. But I would say the opening ceremony, I don't know if you felt this way. It was like very, I guess I don't, I guess I don't know that much about like performances, like art in other country.

Like it was so, it was like Vegas times a thousand. Yes. It was so much about paint. You know what I mean? I was like one of the big themes was paint, materially paint. It was not straightforward in the way that I think an American opening ceremony would be like where it was like, this means this. means this. It was really like swirling colors and symbol, like, symbolistic stuff.

Do you remember the fleet of men helping Mariah to and fro? Oh, my God. I don't remember that until this moment. That was amazing. It was just like you saw just like it had to be like four or five people like bringing her out to the center. She sang her song and then they all came out and like all. It was like a team effort again.

It was really good. It was gorgeous. The venue. Like I'd never been in something that many. people. Me neither. Me neither. And I love Milan. See, my gay guy self was like, I bet Taylor did Erez here. And we found out she did. She did. Did she really? Yeah, she sure did. Wow. That was a Taylor Swift side stadium right there. Have you, you've not been to, well, the big thing about European stadiums like that is there will be people on the ground or in the aisles offering free water. And you

just don't get that here. No, that was. That did happen. several times. That was really nice. They were all so kind. Yes. And we felt sad because we left before Charlize. I think I might have left before Charlize. It was it was three or four hours long.

No, not that long. It was approximately 16 hours. It was 16 hours long of entertainment. We left. Oh, well, we left after the flags. But I was like, by the time, like, the guys came out and it looked like caperese salad on the floor. You know what I mean? It was like red, red, red, white.

green it was like oh you know great Italy but then um sure great it's yeah it's it is gosh it's it's kind of all fuzzy yeah so you did see ice skating though it did see ice skating yeah you had to see ice skating i mean that was that was amazing we saw the team win gold oh my god that was really cool that is that's huge did you that's i didn't see i don't think i saw the americans won anything darn you just uh you know what's so funny this is another connection we have because you know who i was thing the whole time was Chris Schleiker. I was literally going to say it made me really respect Chris. Yes.

So he, this is a mutual friend that we all have. Chris has worked with Mindy and is a friend of ours. And he was a professional figure skater. With his, his little sister. Yeah, pairs. Pairs and he then is also a comedy writer. Yes. So he's had a really fun.

He's like just a chill life. Chill life. He should be nominated for the Michael Jordan Award for I Also Do This. Yes. An award at the cultural awards. And it made me, because I know he had done it, but that made me really understand how hard it was. Yeah.

And also, the Pear's thing is tough because it's, one of them sometimes messes up, and you can't be really mad at them. Right. Or if you are, you have to really suppress that. So there's a lot of acting involved. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you watch the documentary on Netflix?

No, I didn't. The Ice Dance Pairs? Oh, it's phenomenal. It is. It is. It is. It's quick. I mean, when you know how it ends,

based on how the metals shook out. It's a little disappointing. Okay, I got to watch it. Yeah, because there's like, because what it, the French pair. The French pair who are the villain, like clearly the villains, like when. The documentary paints a villain.

Yes, the French pair is a villain and there's like, I could go ahead and call him an evil gay guy. Absolutely evil. The huge ass. And they won gold. And I'm telling you, you can tell, it's like when they hit the ice, it's like a Blades of Glory character.

It's like when Amy Puller and Will Arnack come out and you're like, oh, well, those are the villains. Oh my God, I have to see this. they appeared on ice. And then they did a routine to Madonna's Vogue. And it was just so incredible that you're like, yeah, that mean guy, I hope wins. How did you know he was mean? Well, so the story is he sort of this.

It's in the face. It was his face. Okay. I thought it was in the documentary. He said something. It is in the documentary, essentially. So the new pair, the incredible thing is they had only been. skating together as a pair for like nine months.

When most pairs are, you know, develop over the course of many years. Yes. But it's because the woman was Canadian, was this Quebec woman who, um, her partner has been disqualified from the league because of an S.A. allegation. Oh, wow. And she kind of stood by him, but he could no longer compete and she was without a partner. He was without a partner because, um, he, uh,

because his partner was like he is a very toxic person and this dynamic was really bad for him. This is so juicy. Yeah. And then they got together. They got together. Out of necessity, they got together under a year,

went all the way, like just qualified for the Olympics and then mongled. Wow. Like decidedly. Okay, wow. Okay. And by the way, this is like, I'm butching the details for sure.

Amidst like the America's sweetheart narrative that Madison Chalk and Evan Bates very much. And we were all rooting for them and then they just got stomped out by the mean French people. Madison Chalk has star power. Oh, absolutely. Evan Bates. Oh, that's a good couple. I don't remember him as well, but Madison Chalk, she's got that smile, right?

She is always beaming, finding her light. It is so, it's a smile for God. It's a smile for God. Yeah. A Christian God. It's a smile for a Christian God. She could, it's a smile for a Christian God. It's actually real culture number 30.

Madison Chalk has a smile for a Christian God. It's really true. She could, she should sell, she could sell me anything. Yeah. Like if she was like had a, some kind of a brand partnership. Where's Nutra Gina on her? I know. I would, I would buy it.

But the gag is that she was designing other people's outfits. Yeah. Then I did hear this. Yes. Yeah. Right? So she, she was watching her competitors dance in her own outfits. Yes.

Yep. Yes. That is, you know, ice skating is real interesting. Absolutely. We left as like big man's. Yeah. It was fabulous. And we were being critical. We were like, they were watching them hit the ice and we're like, no, I'm not clean.

And we were watching with Adam Rupon. Oh my gosh, he seems fun. Oh, the best. That's nice. A great time. A great time. I like when people live up to, because he does seem cool. Nice guy with a huge ass.

Nice guy with a huge ass. They're out there. Yes. And you could see them all up close and personal. Yes. The asses? Yeah. Yeah.

Kind of the best part. I try to be polite. I don't look. You don't look? Please. I say you look, but you, politeness is not saying, but you don't even look.

I don't even look. I get shy. I get eye shy, you know? I just don't want, that's it. I don't want everyone's butt, whether they're ice skating or not. I think I do too.

Yeah, I just glance. You just look. You just got a glance. I look more now, actually, after heated rivalry. Well, those were really good. Those are really good. Were you a big fan of,

the series. I really liked it. I really liked the positions that they did so that you could really see the butts. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Like there was like they would often be that one great actor. I'm forgetting his name is a Connor story. Yeah, Connor story.

Yeah, the one who was Russian. Yes. And he was so funny on us and now with all the accents. He was so talented. But his greatest talent is the way that he could contort his body so that the cinematographer could catch his. his butt being always juicy. Because even with people with juicy butts,

it doesn't always look juicy. No, you need the help of cinematography on set, I find. Like his legs would be splayed in the right ways all the time. It's really... His butt knew how to find the light.

Yeah. And speaking of the light, I was going to say, like, what a beautiful convocation of the departments where it's like, oh, the gaffer is really sling. You know what I mean? Like that ass is lit.

Departments on 10 for those asses. Absolutely. And you know, I think that, Hudson felt the heat because he was like, okay, I gotta raise my game because his ass can find the light. This, they're like first scene where they like really have sex. There's a moment where Hudson like starts crawling towards him

and the way he turns like his leg, he's sort of like giving you a little side butt and it worked on me. And we mean cheating as in like tilting to camera. He was favoring the camera. camera. And it worked on, I think, all of the world. Yeah, all of the world. And Connor Story's incredible character, Ilya Rosanov. Yeah. And I should have led with that they're great actors. And I liked the story and the

romance. Well, they didn't lead with that. The first two episodes were not about that. Hey, I don't care about the sex in the show. I just like the romance. No, it's true. I just, you know, I don't know them in person and I, I'm always worried. They're going to be like, you didn't even know my name. You call me accent. guy and less cult with the butt. You said I was the accent guy with the juicy butt.

They need some humbling now though. Not humbling. They would find it refreshing that you would be like, oh my gosh, you're that wonderful actor. They would love that because I think now now my algorithm is a lot of people like zooming in on like sweat pant

photos of them. And like you guys. They're getting the John Ham treatment. Yeah, they've reached that. They've gotten to that level and I'm like, that's great, happy for them. Unless it's like unless it's like not necessarily wanted,

but who's to say? Who's to say? They're pretty publicly like, every time they pose for a camera, it's sort of given like, want me. Want me. And it works.

As someone who's never been objectified, I understand there are people who don't like it, but it's very hard to relate to. I'm jealous. I'm like, oh, I would never, I would only ever love for people to, to be pushing in on my chest,

like to be taking a photo and pushing in to see if you can see my nipples. Maxim Hot 100. I always saw her nipples. I'm going to shatter your perception. I love it. You went, you left and came back in. Fraser sat down and he said, Most beautiful woman I've ever seen.

Are you kidding me? Unreal. What? He loves you. Who am I hotter then? Wait, no, no. That's so, that is really nice. I bet you look amazing.

Thank you, guys. It's a lot of work. Thank you. I appreciate. For all of us. Truly. I appreciate it. Thank you.

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Open the IHeart Radio app. Search Las Culturistas and click watch or tap. I just said it was good. Mindy Kaling, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? Okay. I think the culture that made me say that culture is for me is award shows. And I'm not, I guess, I'm not. We know you're not.

No, we know. This is not synergistic. It's not a cynical synergistic answer because of what's happening. But thank you for knowing how much it helps us tonight to mention them. I feel, and I don't know if you guys felt this way, that I grew up in suburban Boston. And I think award shows for me as someone who felt like I had no access to Hollywood or anything was an amazing mix of competitiveness, couture, and Hollywood and showbiz. And to me, those were all the things that I mean, as like a competitive Asian nerd, like I love that element of it too. Like they can't just get up and win an award.

They have to fight each other. And also, I don't know if you guys felt this way, but I was so nerdy about award shows that I was like, I'll remember so distinctly when Al Pacino was up for his Oscar for son of a woman. I was probably like 12 years old. Yes. I was like 10 or 11 years old. But I remember so well being like the lore of it being like, you know. like I was the kid that was walking around being like, you know that he's been nominated for Godfather.

Godfather, too, Serpico and Dog Day Afternoon, and he's never won. So this could be the time he went. And I was like, I hadn't seen any of those movies, but I like knew the importance of like, this is a story of a man who's been snubbed several times and he is owed this. And I'd just go around at school telling people this information

because I thought it was important. So I think award shows, and we'd all like get together and watch them. I think that was really, and like, I don't know if you guys felt this way, like, the vibe of the Golden Globes was so different than the Oscars. And you could wear cocktail for the Golden Globes when you wouldn't dare wear that to the Oscars. Yeah. And if you did, it was because you were like Bjork or Sharon Stone and you were trying to like make a statement. So to me, award shows are, like, was a huge part of like when I decided culture was culture.

I had this feeling about you because this reminds me of when I met you. because do you remember when I met you at Sundance? You were there with Late Night. Oh my God. So I was covering the festival for Vulture. We used to do that together. Bowen had just booked SNL, so I went up to Sundance by myself.

And you came in for late night, and I was asking everyone, who's going to win the best actress Oscar this year? And I was saying, is it going to be Glenn Close or Lady Gaga? Glenn Close for the wife and Lady Gaga for Star is born. And you said, it's going to be Olivia Coleman for the favorite.

And you were right. And you were the only one who said publicly who they thought would win. Naomi Watts almost left the room. Wait, wait a second. I said that. You said Olivia Coleman. By the way, you're Nicole Kidman with your memory. It was my first time meeting you.

That was incredible. Second of all, I can't believe I said that. You did. Because sometimes on red carpets, don't you just feel like you're like, I don't know, I'm just prattling on. Like, let me just have takes just to say stuff. I never say anything. I'm behind on those things.

I'm like, I just talked for two minutes and I don't know what I said. To the point where I feel like sometimes I'm like, I don't I test out this new thought. I don't even feel it. Maybe I think this. Maybe I think this. I'm going to see how it sounds in public and then do it. And you should be thinking the opposite. You should be like, I need to have a tried and true opinion here.

Yeah. Hey, I'm really impressed. You nailed it. Maybe I affected. Maybe that's why it happened. Whoa. I mean, definitely it was a nail biter that year. You were compelled to say that as an informed take.

You're someone who follows awards. I mean, it's so illusory to be someone who has informed takes about award shows, but I am that person. We were like that. We were literally just saying today, one of our answers to this question is the 98 Oscars for the 97 films, because that was the one Titanic. Huge year. Yeah. Well, it was my first Oscars. It was like, who's this Billy Crystal guy?

He's so funny. So funny. What are all these video packages with him in the movies? Like, oh my God, look at, like, it just, and it felt like this big snub when Helen Hunt won or something, because I was reading for Kate Winsland. Well, that was where, like, Goodwill Hunting was against Titanic, right? It was Goodwill Hunting, as good as it gets, Titanic. I believe that year was also LA Confidential. Oh, my God.

Yeah, Kim Basinger won her Oscar that year. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Like, award shows, I've been saying this because we just started a junket today for the culture awards. I was like, oh, it's like the beam refracted into all these different things that I love now, which is like music, dance, live comedy, live television comedy. Like, it was just, it has everything. It has the structure of a variety show, but it has the arc of something where, like, all builds up to this thing where by the end of the night, like, people are either completely disappointed or so triumphant.

Well, I think, I think that's so correct. And especially now Bowen, we're like, you mean, the wicked press tour, right? you have these long, there's these arcs, as you said, like there's these arcs of stories where you're just like watching like, like Cynthia and Ariana and like this is what it was like then, and this is the Scabarelli thing they wore and this is where she held her finger. And now this is, now she seems like maybe she sped up or someone tried to grab her. And like, you know what I mean?

And everyone has different, different arcs leading up to it. Like the tides turn so much as well. Yeah. So awards are, I feel like they're only because. coming more and more. This is what I can imagine real football fans feel at the Super Bowl. Yes. When we were there for Wicked, because I went as Bowen State, it felt, I felt physical pain

when DeMe lost the Oscar. Because it was such the. The room, the room really, you've experienced this, like in those rooms. When it shifts and it just, and you're like, oh, whoa, this is strange. Yeah. Because also you're very aware that someone has just won an Oscar. who obviously it's an incredible performance, but to know that there was that much happening in that moment was so wild.

Yes. This is why I felt it's about Al Pacino. He's got a win. Yes. He's been overlooked. Luckily. But you know what else about Demi Moore is that she had given that speech. Hey, I'm a loser.

I'm a loser. I remember the speech she gave for acceptance speech at the Globes. Incredible. Which was incredible. One of the great acceptance speeches of all time. I thought it was sewn up for her. Yep. And then.

And then. And then I was going to say, you know what? Reading your first book inspired me. Whoa. Because I was like, what do you mean whoa? Whoa. Like just a nice. What I related to.

He's a pro. No. It's really. Just wait. Culture number seven. No, no, no. I love it. He's a pro.

That was not a segue. That was a hard lurch of a pivot. I don't know. I loved it. Shouldn't have said, whoa, because I slowed this down your momentum to talk about my No, no, no, no, this is all part of it. Yeah, please. I was expecting an answer to the question, like, in terms of maybe, like, the Simpsons or

SNL, where I related to you so much when you were saying that you would, you would look, you'd watch the credits of these shows and be like, who are the writers? Oh, my God. Yes. Because this was something that, like, Matt and I would do growing up where we were like, and it didn't occur to us until later, until we were, like, earnestly, like, aspiring to comedy jobs where we were like, oh, yeah, I guess that. that does like, that does sort of like set things apart for us where we're like, we've, we've loved this for a long time.

One day I'm going to meet Brian Tucker. Literally, at sleepovers, like your friends are moving on. They're playing mash in another room, sleepover. And I'm like, who's Dennis McNicholas? Oh my God. I can't, maybe one day I'll meet Dennis McDickle. I don't know. I've never met Dennis McNiclos.

Oh, my God. We love him. I met Paul LaPelle at SNL 50 and I was like, I'm going up. But it was hard. I was like, she really lives up to it, right? because she's also a performer and she's so funny. Just the best. Yeah.

And she was like one of the only female names you would see on those things too. Totally. Definitely. Totally. And, um, no. But I was just going to say like that, like, I love, I feel like you're, this is, we're kinfo because it's like you award shows, but also this thing that imprinted on you very early on, which is like comedy credits.

Yes. You know what I mean? Ken Ayman. Is that Among? Ken Among. Like, I remember seeing his name because it was very, because it was very, it's one of the first credits that you'd see. when the show was ending.

And I was like, that guy. What is his role? He was the sort of control room producer, like stage manager, just made sure everyone came to blocking on time. But like ran such a tight ship. Yeah.

Like people, I don't know, people, I love that man. Ken, Kenny. See, I need to, I have always been very curious about your, your guest writing stint. Oh, yeah.

What was like, like, talk about that. It was so, it was so intimidating. Yeah. It was people were, it was really intimidating. I learned so much. Some people were extremely friendly. And it was intense.

Yeah. Like I got a glimpse of something that I thought, like, you guys know now that L.A. writing scene on a sitcom is so different than writing on a variety show. I didn't think that. I thought it would just be like being on the writers, being, I thought it would just be like being in the writer's room for the office, but more glamorous later. later hours. And it's a completely different vibe. But it was, like, I remember distinctly, like Amy and Tina were so kind. Will Forte was so game and so kind. The Lonely Island guys were really nice. But it was also unmistakably, and I think, I think you would say this, like, super competitive. Yes. And, like, there was, like, kind of, like, a little bit more of a whisper culture

than I thought a little bit. Or like, just like, but I, it wasn't like anyone was unfriendly to me. I just noticed it was kind of anthropologically interesting to come and see it. The way the doors would close. Doors closed. And I mean, I could not and did not take anything at all personally because I was just there for two weeks. And people were really nice about the office. And that was before the office was even, I think, considered to be like a cool show. I think this was in the hiatus between season two and three.

But it wasn't, it hadn't like fully become like a hit, I think. But at that point, like you were like, like Kelly was like like. Like, like a main, like a, not recourse. When did she, when did that? Because Kelly was a different type of character the first season. Yes. Right. Kelly was like, is English her first language?

Like, when you saw her, like, is she like from another country? Like, the way she dressed. Okay. But I felt like, she was just like a kind of like, hey, like she's, she's like a woman from another country. Michael, like, don't be like it wasn't. She wasn't like pop culture. Yeah, right, right, right. She was, but second season, she was more.

But I think at that time, if I may say, I think people respected the office, but I don't think SNL was quite, okay, so I feel like people who like Kelly are like a certain kind of woman and gay men. And I don't think S&L was that gay then. No. No. It was just James and Paul Appel were holding it down. Yeah, so I think, but I think everyone like respected. We had a lot of crossover.

I think Mike Scher had a lot of friends, obviously still at SNL and he was, I worked with him. him there. So that was a nice name to drop when I would meet people. Totally. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I was in awe of it, obviously. And, but yeah, like, you know. But gosh, I mean, it's so interesting that, like, the office was able to sort of, like, this is the wrong word for it, but like Bellwethered like the queer coded humor before a show like SNL could. You know what I mean? Or that's not fair to say, but it's like I can recite here, Here we go. Here's a deep cut.

You think the Mindy Project is a deep cut? Check this out. You don't return my text. You save my phone. Don't get no text. What you got, ADD. Add it up don't equal you and me. Like Shakespeare said, to be or not to be.

Sometimes you're Romeo with me. I. Sometimes you're Romeo with me. Okay, wait. I am dying. Because that wasn't even an office episode. That was a bonus online video. That was like when Web is so.

We're trying to figure out if Webisodes are. Now, I'm, I gotta say, I'm really happy that you think of that fondly, because the next line is, you look gay and your skinny tie. You'll be get killed in a drive-fire. Wait, guys, guys, it's not okay to say now. You can't say-

Bring back comedy. You're not, bring back comedy. We're laughing. That's all that matters. You know, and I have to say, we would still laugh. You look gay in a skinny tie. If someone kills you? Is this around the time when Katie Perry was like,

You're so gay and you don't even like boys. Modeling to cost us off of early Gaga. Yeah. Yeah. It was like 2008, 2009. I feel so happy that somewhere at NYU. Oh, please. No, not even NYU.

Somewhere it's your, it's your, when you're a freshman in high school, that you were like noticing dramaturgically different things that were going into subtle sexuality. We would watch, like, I just remember we would, there was the beach games episode of the office is my favorite episode. episode of TV maybe ever. Wow. Oh my God. My high school friends and I would watch it again and again and again. And I would just love a good old fashion like Kelly one line. Like, yeah,

I have a question. How dare you? And then also, um, well, I'm pregnant. Cut to her conventional. You know, it's been nice. This has happened with you guys a lot. I love being memed. And those are really, it's really, it makes me feel young. To be memed. To be memed. And like those

lines, like being able to see them because I don't know. That's forever. It's forever. Memes are forever. The Domesticulture number 40. Memes are forever. And the frontrunner for title of App here is now

To be memed. To be memed. No, I'm saying the office is forever. That's what I'm saying. You must be like feather in the cap. That is forever. It does feel nice when, because you never know. Like, I've had some shows that work.

Some that people really don't like. But it's nice to be able to look back at that one and be like, okay, I wrote. Because, you know, when you've write a bunch of episodes like that and then you do a lot of shows that are like the sex size of college girls in the Mindy project which is like totally so different right um and a lot of men hate them like it's nice that they're like oh they're like they're like how did she work on them you can see them being like how did she work in the office like because we like the office god

so it's nice to be able to contain a multitude so it's nice that thank you for for saying that I like, what I like about you guys is you watch a lot of stuff. I do too. What's been your media diet? I'm not a snob at all. And so I watch everything from Fraser Show. Do you watch below deck? Below deck.

Which I got into because of other young writers on my show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm not really a big reality show person. Yeah. And then yet. also like and but I'll learn about them from like like I feel like I'll see like page and Hannah I would love to hear you go deep on Summerhouse

I want you to host a Summerhouse podcast Thank you I got to I don't know if I know quite enough yet Again yet I would this is a classic This is a huge straight to series for me Is you starting from episode one of Summerhouse Okay I see billions of dollars I like I love that you can do this I do anything to not have to write television

It's so hard. Phrase, that's not so good. No. No, I just, when did you have this feeling? Because you know, you know what it dawned on me that like writing fucking sucks?

Was when Phoebe Waller Bridge hosted us and we were talking between, you know, blocking stop downs or whatever, and I was just like, whatever, I didn't even bring it up. She just goes, writing is the worst fucking thing in the world. It's absolutely.

I hate to do it. And yet I have to, and it's amazing. And I do love it, but it is the worst. Ultimately, she loves it. What she was telling me was it is by nature so

fucking hard. It's so hard. Because it's hard to have fun preparing to do it and sitting down to do it and then doing it. And so that is, but what is your actual writing process? Do you actually get down and type out? Like are you on the go? Like I'm curious about that.

So for different things, like so for the writer's rooms, that's just like sitting in a room. But I think the hard thing is coming up with things that are legitimately funny over and over again and like the joke writing. Like on the Mindy Project, like we had Tracy Wigfield, Matt Warburton, Lane Fisher. We had a lot of like Ike and Dave. Like we had a lot of really great joke writers. But like that thing of like it's just so hard to come up with that many jokes.

It just takes a lot of effort. And that's the thing with like the comedy shows. Like so when I watch heated rivalry or off campus, I'm naming a lot of sexy shows. But like when I see those ones, I'm like, I don't think it's easy. I think there's like other challenges to doing sexy hour longs. But like I long to have it not be that the thing that's keeping you from going home or having a joke writing. Like there is tension. There is tension.

And then get in your car and go home. Get my car and go home. So I don't even. There is tension between them. But I mean, you guys like, first of all, hosting funny award shows, doing SNAT. Like with you got, I mean, you must face this with your guys as writing. It's just, but it's, it is the most fun. Yeah.

But it is exhausting. Now, writing for when I write my essays, that's challenging. All I'm doing is complaining. Like, these are great jobs. I want to just acknowledge. Yeah, but, but I think the hard thing is when you know that they're fun jobs and yet you still like, your brain is like, it's decided it's work. And so then you have to, I guess, reframe the mentality to be like, I am lucky to do this.

But it's still. it's very challenging to people don't understand it's like math you know and so I think when I'm when I'm writing my essays then it's the thing where I'm alone at my house and I feel like we've all read the celebrity essays where you can just tell the person is just doing it because someone paid them a lot of money and it's just sort of boring and so I think like then you see a really good version of it like bossy pants and that thing is riddled with jokes like Tina clearly spent so long making sure that that was so, so funny. And I think like, so I, that's, those are, it's just hard.

But it's, it's obviously worth it. But speaking of your first, again, speaking of your essay books, you did also predict another thing in addition to the Olivia Coleman win. That Beyonce would release a country album. Did I say that? You said that in your first fucking book, Mindy. Wait, you know what's funny? I know that I said there was going to be like a Kool-Aid movie.

And then that was a runner. That was a runner in the studio. Oh, wow. See, wait, what's going on with you? Am I Nostradamus? Yes. A hot Indian musteramus? That's the show.

That's the title of it. Hot Indian Nostradamus. Would you produce it? Yeah. It's just a woman. I think we're coming up with a lot of good stuff. Across media. You know, that would be like a good CBS show.

Indian Nostradamus. Like I'm like a woman, I'm a single mom in my 40s trying to date, see if there's dating. and then like I'm in my middle of a date with Scott Speedman. Yeah, of course. And I'm like, wait, wait, I see something coming. Mindy, you're going to sell a show right now if you're not careful. And you hate writing. You hate writing.

But I would like working on Hot India and Nostradamus. I know. The mogul is moguling. The mogul is like Amy Poir has page and Hannah now. It's like, can you just adopt us like in that way? Adopt us, please. Well, you guys came up with this. I would be your page in Hannah.

Like you guys would do it. We're Amy. You're our page in Hannah. Yes. We're the producers. You're the producers. All right, great. We can do that.

You're at Video Village coming in to tell me. I love it. I love us. Oh, we get chairs with our names. Yes. Oh, I love that. Oh, I love that so much for us. This is a bizarre question, but I know my answer.

I went to school for writing, actually. I went to NYU Titian. I just went back and did the commencement speech for the dramatic writing. Are you kidding? Yeah, it was a really moving emotional. But first of all, huge. That is talk about. writing being hard.

Writing a commencement speech is at the very top because that shit's got to be very funny, like very grabby. And it was for writers too. Yes. And it has to be like emotional and you have to have some kind of original message that no one has ever said that they, that just can't be like be true to yourself or take risks or some shit. No.

I really wanted to tell the truth. And I was like, listen, like I think that when you are a writer right now and you're facing this industry, it would be really hard to get demoralized. and also all of the parents are there who have just spent, and let me say this clearly, $400,000 on their kids' education. Oh, my God. All right? And they're thinking, you know, what the hell?

Like, what's going to happen to my kid? In fact, a lot of them parents came up and they were like, it's really nice to see someone that was successful in the program come back. Like, thank you for doing this. And I was just like, listen, you didn't waste your money because they have a community. And that is so important and so rare. Just to have a bunch of people around that you know that are, are also doing, I mean, that was us.

That gave us everything. Like, we're still in touch with people from back then. I still see people, you know, thriving in the business, like, in many different ways. And what I said to them was, don't be afraid of taking different forms. Like, you might not, it might not be the best idea for you to move to L.A. right now and, like, hit the mail room or something. Wow. You might, it might be you taking, you know, again, this is my aughts popping out, but an improv class

or, you know, or trying something new or, yes, starting a podcast or just you have to support each other in those forms. But I was looking out at them and I was like, here they are like with their spec scripts in hand and everything. And it got me thinking about what made me decide I wanted to be a writer. And I wonder when that moment was for you. Like, not only just when you decided to become a writer, but when you knew that was a thing. Well, I first want to react to the speech, which was that must have been so reassuring for the parents and for the kids there who could not only hear that from you, but to be like, know about your relationship with Bowen and how you guys met and how this could be them.

And like, that must have been so reassuring for like the parents and everyone who put in this a massive investment. I can't wait to Google this now. I basically made the speech about our friend Suti because we met at the program, Souti Green, and she went on to. Yeah. Then she went on to become a supervising writer at SNL, wrote on the cultural awards with us. We've worked on shows like, I love that for you together that she wrote for and I was on. But I was telling them, I was like, you know, these people that you're surrounded by that you think are special really are. So make it about that.

And, you know, she just had a baby. And it's just she's still our close, close friend from all the way back there. So just trying to let them know, like, these are real connections in this moment. And it's important because there are not a lot of resources out there right now, but you have each other. And I think that that's. And that's so important when you feel like you don't have access. Like I remember so much like being 21 and there's other people you see out there and their parents have this connection and they have this and that. And you're like, I don't have access.

But you're like, okay, it must have been reassuring for those people to be like, well, we have access to our other friends that we believe in. And together we can like build a foundation and create something. Yeah. That's so nice. and to answer, wait, what was your question? When did you realize? Because I remember I didn't really realize that I could do that as a career. Yeah.

Until I was watching Lost one day. What? And I was watching, it was the sixth episode of the first season of Lost, House of the Rising Sun. It was Sun's flashback episode where you found out she has been learning how to speak English so she can leave Jin. And I am sobbing at the end of it because there's this flashback where she's walking towards this black car that's going to drive her away. and she turns around and Jin holds up like her favorite flower and orchid and she goes back to him and then it cuts to them

on the beach and you realize that decision has cost her you know everything. Oh my, I'm getting chills. And I was sobbing and the score was going and I was like oh my God and then it cut to the credits and it said written by someone. And I was like, oh, I want to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I want to do that.

I have to, I want to write this. Oh, and then it clicked for me. I was like, and it was so exciting. I was like, I know what I want to do. and I wonder when you had that moment or if that moment appeared ever. I guess it's another form of the culture question. It is, yeah.

But specific to you. So I think we talked earlier about how we just would look at credits. And to me, I was not like a snob. Like I would watch whatever my parents would let me watch. So like I remember at that time, it was really just like what was on. Like I looked like the X-Files.

I liked this you guys, I don't know if you got to know Dr. Katz. Like that was a. Comedy Central show. Jonathan Katz, the stand-up. Oh, cool. And he played a therapist and all these different stint. It was like one of those early Comedy Central animated shows, Wiggle Vision.

Oh, cool. So that was, but I would just look at, and then, I mean, I don't even know if you guys were watching TV, but Comedy Central would have, like, Premium Blend. Yeah, yeah. Like, you would turn, if you were sick at home, you would turn on the TV and, like, they would have these random things where just they would do like three-minute clips of lots of different stand-ups. Yeah.

be like Judy Gold and Judy Gold, who's in Not Suitable for Work and is an icon. And Emo Phillips and those kinds of things. So to me, it was a mix of just that like 1989 to 1993 network television and like a little bit of Comedy Central just like watching like kids in the hall. Yeah. Oh, huge. Huge. Huge.

And what they were doing was so boundary pushing and ahead of its time. So I think that, I don't know if that totally answers through questions. but like I was watching everything. Yeah. Like wings on NBC. Like just, you know, like, just, you know, anything. What was the thing that compelled you to write, like, bed and math?

Like, well, like, how did that process? Like, because remind me, because it's all in the book, right? Yeah. So I, my, so I moved out to New York with my best friend, Jocelyn, and our other best friend, Brenda, had graduated a year before us at Dartmouth. And so that was, we moved out in August of 2001, and we're just settling in with 9-11.

Oh, wow. Jeez. And so that period of time, there was not a lot of, like, just everything kind of stopped. Like, there wasn't a lot of, like, hiring, even getting jobs as like waiters and waiters. It was just hard because everything kind of came to. Where were you living in New York? In Windsor Terrace. Wow.

So we lived in a railroad apartment in Windsor Terrace, the three of us. And so there was just a lot of time when we were just looking for any kind of job. Yeah. And that's when I applied to be a page at NBC. And I thought it was like a shirt. thing and didn't even get like an interview for that. Same. Which was at the time because I was at Dartmouth, which was, I love Dartmouth, but it wasn't at that time known for like it's arts. Like, I ruled that fucking school. Like, I was the only one interested in doing like sketch comedy

and little comedy plays. And I had like a powerful click of like bitchy people in the comedy department and the drama department. And, and then I came out and it was that kind of classic Rood Awakening where like no one cared at all. And, and then. And so I didn't get that job and I was literally like, I'm like, shoe in for this job. What do you mean you don't want me to be the age? Yeah. And so then I just was babysitting and I, so I was babysitting in the evenings and my best friend Brenda was substitute teaching in Brooklyn during the days.

But we would have this like one hour of free time before I left to babysit that she came home and we started tinkering around. We kind of like, neither of us were like UCB people, but we would kind of like be improvised the characters of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. So we just thought they were so, they loomed so large in culture. They sure did. That we would just be doing impressions of them.

And then I think it just occurred to us like, what if we did like more of a long form thing where we, it was more about a story about their actual relationship and what are the kind of, like this is we didn't know completely. This is the quintessential parisocial. Like just. Of course. Just.

And then it then became like not about the actual actors anymore, but the nature of friendship in creativity and competition and when one person is perceived being ahead. And at that time, I think we kind of knew that Mad Damon was like a little bit more of like the serious actor type and Ben Affleck was handsome but like maybe not considered in the same category. He was also very famous and so we invented this dynamic

of what it was like when they were 21, no one knew who they were before they wrote the script for Goodwill Hunting. And I think it, We knew, Brendan and I, like, we obviously had our own friendship and a lot of, like, our own feelings about that process, which is, as you guys know, like, it's complex and it can be like so wonderful that you are going through this with your best friend, but there is the ugly side of it. And there's, you know, when one person searches ahead and then the other

person stalls out. And then that person, you know, so that's what the play was about. I got to play Ben Affleck, which was one of the most fun roles of my life. And I hope I can come back and play this part. Yeah. And we did for the French festival. Yeah. I think I would. I feel like lit.

I just all I want is for someone to be like for this charity, would you redo it or something? Because I really, yeah, for like 10 years, it was just Ben Affleck and Kelly Kapoor. Those were the only two roles I had played. And they were so different. But that was, that's why we did it. We also did it because it's like we would, I wasn't in a union. We couldn't like audition in any real way for things. So the Fringe Festival, which was incredible, was like the only way that we could do anything.

Did you do it in Edinburgh? No, the New York Fringe Festival. Oh, the New York Fringe. Yeah. But see, like, for you, like that initial writing process was riffing. Yeah. Ultimately what it is. What it is.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. And that's sort of what a writer's room. I didn't know this at the time. That's what a writer's room ended up being like. Yeah. That's why it was so fun when we would do the Mindy Project and Ike Barronholz was in the writer's room.

And then also on set because it felt like Matt and Ben really prepared me for that experience of like, Hey, let's like riff in character. Yeah. God, I love that man. You are. Has he been on this? No. He's not, but I was, we were actually just watching it and I was telling Fraser, we met once on

history of the world and he is such a nice guy. So nice. And he's so funny and he's so good on the studio. And I've only heard you ever say that he's so lovely. We've been a ratchet a handful of time. Yeah. He's the most popular person in Hollywood. He's got like a Seth Myers vibe where everyone kind of says positive things.

Everyone says positive things. And he's like, it's like him. Seth, I agree. He's so nice. Octavia Spencer. Of course. Oh, I haven't had the pleasure. I'm not either, but she's.

I'm excited from Ma too. She is, I mean, Ma is. He cackles at Missy Pyle getting run over by that car. It's such a good movie and that's a great moment in it. She's so good. Because it's on TV going She runs her over and goes Fucking cunt

Turns on the radio September by Earthwin and Fire place Decided to kill someone so quickly I said that person had a full life And then playing

Earthwin and Fire immediate That's cinema Yeah You know That's a great great movie I love when any horror movie

or movie like that That like kills characters as if they've had no life before the moment they've had on states Like Hey how are you? Oh

And they're just It's my favorite thing when they pretend they've got no friends, family, anyone that would carry them, just disposable. Just disposable. They throw Kate Mara in the subway in House of Cards head first. That was a huge moment. I screamed in my bed. That was crazy.

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There was no anything inside those eyes. they turned black. It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case? Yes, sir. Fair to say this was the biggest case of your career? Yes, sir. Rape a murder for a child.

It's as bad as it gets. I would think so. People wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Crevette and DePippo. Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty. I'll take it to the grave.

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Pop, pop. I really do like them. Fraser's favorite person is you, mine? Just tell Kate Hudson. What? Just tell Kate Hudson, she has a home in my heart. She would, she would die for, I mean, to be on this show for you. The Lord of the show is Matt's Kate Hudson impression, which is.

I love Kate Hudson. Has she never done this? No. No. We, we, we, we, we, no. She's a Culture Award nominee, you know, this year. Best way to be whilst flirting. And just be Kate Hudson.

She's a real flirt. She's kind of like, this is my impression of her. What? What's the big deal? Who cares? That's the essence of her. Like, smoking weed in high school, we're not going to get caught. What?

My mom's Goldie Haunt. My mom's golden on. We didn't get caught? Fuck off. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sort of like a glass and a half of wine in. energy. Yes. This is, you've nailed it. She's really like that. I love it. I feel her through the

screen. Whenever she's in a film, I see myself on screen. I'm not kidding. I am, I'm very surprised, but I also, like, I love this. And why surprised? Um, I guess, I guess, maybe it's, maybe I'm not, that you see yourself in her when she's on screen. I just, I wouldn't have thought of that. There's something about like her whole vibe where I'm just like I just get so, I'm so happy every time I see her perform. She's the opposite of

uptight. When I'm around her, there's nothing and like you know, this is a woman who like, and this is why I really love Kate, she came up in like the aughts in Hollywood. Yeah, she's and stuff. This is, like this was it was not like a cool time to be like a leading

lady, you know, in that time and she's seen some, I'm sure, some ugly shit. By the way, She's never told me this. But like on the set, like she just has an old school vibe. Yeah. Where she's like, it's a thing we're like,

when we're on set, she doesn't like someone. She just does the thing where she's like, eh, it's fine. Like she's not asking me to talk to HR. She's just going home to talk to her husband, Danny,

just being like talking shit about them. It's like old school, right? Yeah. She just doesn't. It's like, I bet her shit talk is a plus. Her shit talk is really good.

Oh, it's so good. And she has a lot of stories. Yeah. She has stories from like, Like before 9-11. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like just famous people she met on a... Let me tell you what I saw at the Chateau in 1998. Yeah. Yeah. It was gross. Yes. Early Brad Pitt story. It's just like she's a lot of...

Good stuff. To be hot in the 90s in Hollywood. It's so tough. I know. It was nice. It was nice for her. Yeah. You know what's coming back to me is you saying on Letterman that you want to sit

courtside at a basketball game because you want a player to fall on you. Did I say that? He absolutely said that. He's got the bibliography on you, apparently. Got the vocal stems down on Mindy Kaling. What you said sat courtside? Yeah. Of course.

I've had. I've never had someone fall on me. You came to with a cool Lakers jersey. I did. Because I love sports. I think you do. I think you generally love basketball. No, I do genuinely like basketball.

And I love the Lakers. I love Jeannie Buss. She was one of the producers on Running Point. But no one has ever fallen on. me before. You know, it's nice about it, because when they fall on you, they have to be like, oh, sorry, madame, and they have to pick you up and make sure that you're okay. That'd be sexy

if that happened. That's what you, no, no, like you... Sorry, madame. Sorry, madame. They're going to call you madame. I mean, no, this is, I'm going to try to recreate those canes, because they take a lot of, like, the World Wide Pan stuff down. I don't know why. It's like, just not on YouTube anymore. They do take it down a lot.

Because I was talking about Kevin Speciesinging how much I loved it. Every appearance on Letterman. She wouldn't shut up. Kevin. Spacing. You go, yeah, I just want to go say courtside batty basketball game. And then Litterman goes, that's great.

And then a beat. And you go, I just want one of them to fall on me. Huge laugh from the audience. Humongous laugh. Was he, like, what was his reaction? Yeah. Is this what Tina was saying? Like, he, well, you remember this.

Like, he would not do the late night show hosting of, like, coming to say hi to you before you were on stage. She wanted it to be, like, the first interaction you have to be out on stage at the at Sullivan Theater, which is terrifying. You know what I mean? Like, I can't, like, I need the host to come and say hi to me first. I feel like what was so nice about, like, this perfect assent of Mindy Kaling was that, I keep referring you in the third person, and I'm sorry.

I love it. I makes me feel really famous and important. I really like it. You are. I feel like you plugged in so neatly and beautifully. It just clicked, like, you clicking into, like, your sort of, like, your renown and your whatever notoriety, just like it just made so much sense

that you became who you are. You know what I mean? Does this make sense? It's, it's, I really, it's, I really appreciate it because that time when I was on the Mindy project, I think times were a little bit different and, you know, obviously going back,

there were things that I would do differently, but I'm, I'm happy that it had some impact. You know, the show was never a hit. We were always waiting with bated breath to see if we were going to get picked up. It felt like that. Every year. Every year.

Then we got canceled. Then it went to Hulu, which at the time, it was just like that show about the ghost. Like, it was like, there was a show about. A show about the ghost. There was a show about a ghost. And then I remember, and BJ, well, he would corroborate this. I remember, I was like, PJ, I think we're going to go to Hulu. And he's like, I don't, what even is that?

Just let it. He's like, maybe it's classier to just like let it die. Like, instead of going on to this other thing. And that would have been the classier thing. But I was like, I got to just keep. doing this. I don't know what my life is if I have to say, I didn't want them to win by canceling it. So we did it and like, you know, and we went and all of the writers stayed and, you know, and it was, that was such a huge risk. But it never felt like it was a success during it. It was always like a slog and

there was always like endless. I mean, I don't know Bowen if you feel this way, but like there's always endless scrutiny about like representation and some of it, some of it looking back in it. I was like, well, that was good. I should have done that differently. And then some of it was like, why are you picking on me again? Like, if it wasn't my appearance, then it was like the way that the show was cast.

And I'm complaining about it all now and some of it was really valid, but it was just a different time. So I, it's so grat, I sound so needy, but it's so nice to hear that you guys, it made an impact on you guys. Also, there was like, I mean, we had some funny guest stars.

Like, Frederick Coward was on the show, Jordan Peel, Stephen Colbert. Yeah. I mean, if it had been on now, for sure you guys would have gotten the call to play a boyfriend. That's very kind. You know, you'd think we'd get these calls. I think we would get a call and then Morgan would be like, I think he's married.

And I'm like, no, no, no. Matt's not married. He doesn't have another family. And then like, then we'd meet your other family. Exactly. Yeah, you went through trials and tribulations. We just watched you break up with Brian Greenberg. Ryan Greenberg.

What a sweet man. What a sweet heart, the husband of Jamie Chung. Yes, of course. Real world's Jamie Chung. Real world's Jamie Chung. How I first knew Jamie Chung. They're so beautiful. Yes, they really are.

Great looking couple. Great looking couple. And they know how to vacation. Do they vacation well? I feel like when I'm on their Instagram, I see them on vacation a lot, which is not to say they don't work. Oh, no, of course. What's your dream vacation? And remember Fraser's here.

He can make it what happened. I mean, some kind of like a mom. something and I'm on Gehri, Yara, something in a place, a beach like place. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, I'm in, I'm in, I'm on, what's, where, what, what,

he just looked at you like, no, I know, it's amazing, turks and cacos, how could you say Gehry? I know, how could you possibly? Amon yara is Turks and Kakos, I know that for a fact because they went there between, um, writing for Shmigadoon and then getting moved to Castro S&L and I was like, I need a week to myself. What is it?

You're right. Yara, Yara. You went there for a week. Do you come from money, big time money? No. My dad was a farmer on a canola farm in Inner Mongolia. Did he like own the farm? No.

Bowen, how do, I'm sorry. Are you? How do you explain the theater in your home growing up? The theater? It was not growing up. Hold on. It was later. I'm asking you so you can clear.

This is like Victoria Beckham. when she's like, we were, of course, of course, we were but simple people. I understand how. And then you're David Beck and being like,

be honest, be honest. Be honest. Be honest. Be honest. Okay, she says, we had two Rolls Royces.

This is like you being like, my dad was a farmer. He was. He was. We were pretty squarely middle class. Yeah. And then as soon as I went to college, on scholarship with financial aid

and all the, the bells and whistles. Okay. My parents decide to move into a house where they were like, we're empty nesters. Now we're going to do all these like crazy. We're going to pop off now. We're going to pop off now. And they built a home theater that we would then go to.

And so in the time that Matt knew me, which was post college or college forward, he was like, well, Bowen's rich because he grew up with a home theater. I just knew he was living off campus with his sister and they had a home theater. And we were at NYU where everyone was rich. The first friend I made, she goes, come over to my apartment. I go, great. What's the address? Astor Place

Seven Astor Or whatever Not even an apartment number I'm in the hotel I get in the hotel I get in the elevator Who comes in Daniel Radcliffe Oh my gosh

I said hi That's NYU right You can never tell That's just crazy town So you it was confusing though Because you had a home theater But you were And I am

I would cop to being wealthy If I was I was just irresponsible with my money And I was like I was going crazy finishing my first season at S&L, shooting one season of this Comedy Central show that, you know,

I thought was like the biggest deal. Yeah. I had one week off in my entire summer. Was that the John Glazer show? No, no, no. It was, I wrote for Schmigone, then we shot Nora from Queens season one. Oh, North from Queens.

That's right. Yeah, and I had one week off before SNL would start again, and I was suddenly uncast and there was all this crazy, whatever, like, commotion around it. Yeah. And then I was like,

I'm going to book myself the craziest billionaire, vacation possible. It's not quiet at that level. I'm, I'm going to rescind. Okay. Please. I like to be a rich truther, like just making sure that everyone is good. So that's a nice thing that you did. And I went and I snuck a little bit of acid. And I was like, and I went on the beach and I like parked it on the beach. And I was like, I'm not ready for this job. I'm not ready to be on camera. I took a little half type of acid. Then I'm watching Stefan on my phone.

And I hallucinate myself on screen. Oh my God. And I was like, I can do it. I'm ready. This is such a good drug story. It's a great drug story. The thing about that, the thing about LSD is it can work.

It can work. It got us through a big conflict one time. It got us through a big conflict one time. And now I don't, now I, now I'm cheapishly. I'm like, I think I'm good on the second out. I love that story that you were scared

and that drugs helped you get the confidence. Drugs and Stefan helped me. and stuff on. Yes. Helped you. Interchangeable. Were you on this trip alone? Yes.

He does that. I do that. I love that. So I have three kids under the age of eight. So I'd like to go someplace that has like a, it's kid friendly. Yes. But I can like leave them somewhere and then go do spa stuff by myself. You know what's funny?

Like I, we, I end up randomly going to. I'm not sure it's not random. I'm sure I get inspired when I see White Lotus. And then I'm like, I want to go to there. Yeah. But, um, but, but, uh, Two years in a row now I've done, I ended up going to Sicily after them and now Thailand after them. You know what? I respect that. I am not, I've spent so much creativity in my life that I am going to be very basic about vacations.

I see people go to Osaka and get a Birkenbag. I am going there the next summer. You can too. When there's something trendy, like there, did you know there's a seventh Hawaiian island? You've got to go there. There's a new place. I'm going to go there. I'm just, I think it's okay. We spend a lot of times trying to come up with new ways to be original. And you can just go on the. whatever this season is. I'm going to go to Cannes. God, but go to Cannes. After this season of,

Yes, after White Lotus. Oh my God. It's just Miami. It's just Miami. It's just Miami. Honestly, it's great. It was wonderful. It was wonderful.

It was wonderful. We just got really, we just had to like hobnob with like ad effects. We were at Can Lion. Oh, that's the one with, it's like the marketing. It's like the marketing can. And ad people.

It's like a couple, it's like a month after. It's like a few weeks after. few weeks after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just like, all right, you got to stay up until two and go to the Spotify beach party. It's giving Spotify beach party with everyone that has the money. For work. It was for NBC sent us for Culture Awards last year to like explain to people like what the fuck we were doing.

Oh my God. We went with Kyle Cook and Amanda Betula. Who are now who have now imploded on Summer House. Okay. Yes. And Heather Gay, like we had a grand time from Salt Lake City. But it was like every inch of that town is covered in an inactivation. It was nuts.

In a way that is fun? No, I wouldn't say that. You know what? I would like to be invited back. I think that that one is either. You can still, there's like yacht culture is still a big part of it, right? Yes. Sure.

Yes. Well, I didn't know anything about yacht culture and so I started dating Fraser. And then I really realized it really is a whole thing. Like there's people. Our friend Abe knows the name. of like every yacht in the world and like who owns it and how big they are it's like a real thing that's the part i mean that's where i like i feel like i'm famous but not yacht famous where you're going on like the gethen yacht or the basos yacht or like you know like seth my you're

friends with seth mehs we think seth's yacht famous seth is i think he's always on like a barry diller yacht i feel like he's always there andy coheny told me he went on the geffin yacht yeah and i bet Seth was there or in the Alexi you're just there. We should all confront him. Invite us. I heard us David Geffen. I think Seth was at the, I think

BJ hosted the Penn Gala and Seth was there. In the write-up of it they said that Seth was looking especially handsome. Always. Yeah. But there might have been something. Why am I saying this about Seth? What did you get a little?

Well, I just feel like people are always accusing me of this stuff. I want to accuse someone else. Let's try accusing the guys. Hey, Seth Myers, we've noticed all the work. We just, you're looking good. Would you get a fraxil? You got a little ulferra? Tell us. Caymella? Well.

Little this, little that. Yeah, no one can just enjoy a compliment. It has to be there has to be something behind it. A little accusation. A little accusation. Put them on their heels. Speaking of being on your heels, audience is about to be on their heels. It's time to transition to the segment. We are

super famous for. I don't No, think so, honey. moment it felt like it was going on forever I didn't think I was going to live I was terrified there was no anything inside those eyes they turned black it scared the hell out of me that was your first murder case yes sir fair to say this was the biggest case of your career yes sir rape a murder for children 12 year old child is as bad as it gets i would think so evil wake up i'm the woman saw the murder take place by crevette and de pippo anthony de pippo showed no signs of remorse appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum

i said i'm not guilty i'll take it to the grief listen to the devil's quarry on the i heart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to hear the devil's quarry ad free with exclusive content subscribe to love of for good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hey, I'm Hoda Kotby, host of the podcast, Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby. Together, we're going to have meaningful conversations with the world's most fascinating people, like when actress Olivia Munn shared how she overcame fierce health challenges. I've gone through breast cancer and then helped my mother through breast cancer,

and that was more difficult. There's a lot of people who understand postpartner depression. I was not prepared for postpartum anxiety. Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You heard it. Now see it. Las Culturistas is now available with video episodes for free on the IHeart app. Watch full episodes from start to finish all on the free IHeart app.

Hear the voices you know. Now see the moments you missed. Open the IHeart Radio app. Search Las Culturistas and click watch or tap. So this is a one minute screed where we just kind of go. off on something in culture. I've chosen food culture today. Fabula. This came up earlier and I realized, wow, I've never liked this and I'm going to explore

how much I don't. I'm so excited. Okay, here we go. Rodgers, I don't think so when he's time starts. Now, I don't think so honey, barata. Shut up. That's not a salad. It's a gooey mess. And this is not how I like my cheese to be. The arugula is not my favorite piece of salad.

Thank you. It's not my favorite salad category. And then the balsamic drizzle, no thank you. Just together, I am not into it. Also, tomatoes. You know that I was that kid that hated tomatoes so much. I told waiters, I was allergic. Didn't matter that I then was like, I'll have the pasta with red sauce.

30 seconds. No, I didn't want to see tomatoes. I don't like an heirloom tomato. No. The barata moment, it's ooey, it's gooey. It's not for me. I really feel as though, here's a list of other salads that, You've got to get instead.

15 seconds. Okay. Little jam. Yes. Give it up. Give it up. It's really good. A little jam.

Yes. I also want to just say I am having a Caesar revolution. Five seconds. Talking about Julius. I am talking about salad. I had a wonderful. Oh, that was one minute. Keep going.

I don't think so many barata. And that's one minute. Tell us about your Caesar salad that you had. Today. It was good. It was a good salad. I had it at the peacock grill. Ooh.

And we were on the NBC Universal Lot. Hey, low key. great. Fabulous. We were blown away. So good. We really were blown away.

White tablecloth. Really good stuff. Great stuff. Good celeb spotting. I didn't know they had a good seizure there. They have a great Caesar there and the chicken was thick. Thick chicken. It was thick, it was thick grilled chicken.

The seizure was great. Juicy growth hormone chicken. The salad is cold and the chicken is hot. The salad is cold. The chicken is hot. Exactly how it should be. We did not have medium well. It was really, really, really good

And what else? The fries were good, I felt. Yeah, fries were great. You know the fries are good if it's on the menu as Pumfreet. Pompreet. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, you know, the thing about that, commissary is like, you'll be like, holy shit, you'll see someone there. Right, yeah. Is that Jack Black? Yeah. Like he's talking about, yeah. Is that a minion?

Yeah. Oh, God, there's so many. Oh, that would have been amazing. You throw a rock and hit a minion at Universal. That's actually a little culture number 15. You throw a rock and hit a minion at Universal. And I bet they would be so hilarious getting hit by a rock too. They're so funny the minions.

Watch the Culture Awards tonight on NBC. Bravo Pagan. Okay, so that's mine. I don't know. I've got one. You got it? I'm so excited. This is, I feel, can I just, I love this.

I feel so happy to be here and seeing this law. Oh, my God. This is the perfect vibe. I love it. We adore you. You're allowed anytime aloud. And I knew we would have so much fun. with you too. This is really nice. Okay, I can't wait for this. Okay, Bowen. Are you ready?

Yeah. This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that little greasy spot on the space bar, which is usually on the right. Oh my God. What the fuck are we doing? Why aren't we? Why is there no international law against using the same plastic on all the space bars in every single keyboard in the world? That's the international I'm looking at my right, I'm going, do I have extra glands on this thing? Why is that the spot? Why does it, why does it go in the right spot? I guess I'm being told, you're kind of smoothing it out.

You're taking out the texture because of the contact you make with it over time. Well, why haven't we figured out a different material? Can we make a glass keyboard? I would love something that we could just easily wipe down and call it a day. I don't understand this kind of, I don't. don't understand this kind of plastic. I don't really have

anything else to add, but it's just, I'm confounded by the notion that we must all think that we're, it's this one imperfection on the keyboard sometimes that you just, you can't wipe off.

I mean, I hate it. I don't think so, honey, isn't it incredible we're in space in all different kinds of ways? They're talking about landing on Mars and we can't get the,

the space bar. It is gross. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. It's too. And you know it came from you. It's from you. Biological.

Yeah. I don't want to be reminded of it all. It's great. And why can't we it be? I'm not going to clean my keyboard. It should be done for me. It should be done for you. Well, we also were saying our friend Aaron Jackson came in and did it.

I don't think so, honey. The kitchen is always dirty. It's never clean. It's like that with the keyboard too. This is another epidemic. Epidemic. This is really crazy what happens with the keyboard. And you don't want to admit it.

But it's human dust and oils. It's human dust oils in biological matter. Yeah. Thank you. I just had to, I really had to say that. I think, check that keyboard, Doug.

Yeah. I thought you got a little greasy. What is this giving, Doug? No, you can't see it. Here's what I have to do now is I have to go on a website

and buy a keyboard cover. A plastic keyboard cover. No, you don't. Yes, I have a plastic keyboard cover and then I have to buy little double-sided stickers so that I can adhes the cover to the keyboard.

You shouldn't have to do that. No. You work hard. You know what I mean? Have Michelle do it. I'll have Michelle do it. Okay, wait. No.

I really do get like really excited though when I take an antibacterial wipe and just go over the whole computer. I feel like my entire apartment is clean. I've never once cleaned my computer. Oh no! I don't know why I just said that. it's so disgusting, but it's true.

Maybe tonight. Maybe tonight. Probably not. Like I said maybe tonight knowing I would never clean it. I'll just throw it out and just get another one. The computer. Yeah. It's probably time.

It's always kind of time. It's always kind of time. You know what? Getting that new final draft update. Okay. Can we say final draft is the worst? What's worse? Final drafts for picks.

I think final draft. Because. I used to use Keltex instead. Because when the update comes, you need the password and you haven't had it for since. Oh, it's horrible. No, it's awful. The cloud thing doesn't really work if you want to open it up on your phone. Like, forget it.

We used to use writer duet because it was a Google Doc. No, fabulous. To run our place. Because you get to go, because it was like a Google Doc thing where you just brought at the same time. You could see what the other person was typing from their computer. That's nice. We wrote our two-person drag play night soap. It was our writer duet.

It was our Matt and Ben. Sounds fabulous. Great name for Sopiot. software. Writer duet. Writer duet. So it's made for two people

writing together. Or however many. Whoa. Yeah. Just get a writer quartet. Whatever the three is. Trio.

Yeah. Yeah. I was ready to go quintet, sex tatt, all of them. There you go. But I lost Trio until now. It was there.

Trio is kind of a wild third. Secretaries in my mind got the file. Yeah. Really good. It's time for our guests to have her secretaries of her mind get the file.

So it's a rifle through the cabinets. Okay, this, are you ready? Yes. This is Mindy Kailings. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. Okay, I don't think so, honey, people who knock on a door like this. No, no, no.

You are a corn ball. It's not normal. Do you not knock at me like that. That's crazy. That is crazy. Okay. When you knock on the door like that, it just reveals how, different our worldviews are.

You think that knocking on the door should be an expression of self? No, that it should just be functionality. There should not be. Also, what did you think that my reaction was going to be on the other side of the door? I was going to be like, oh, that's like a funny person. I like that person. They're a real jokester. No, there's only one acceptable way to knock.

And that's this. If you're the FBI, you knock seven times and you kick the door down. But you don't do that. When was that first funny in like the 1920s for like a month when you could do that? And people were like, that's cool. If you knock like this. I cannot. If you have, if you knock like that, you're dead to me.

And that's one minute. Wow. And you know, when you reached over, I was like, please do. You. It's so bad. It's so bad. You ever involuntarily do it and then shame spiral for months? It is.

what, like, you wonder, like, when someone does that, like, I'm at the doctor. And I just am like, I'm sitting, if you're at the OBGN, you're sitting in your gown. Terrible. And then you hear somebody knockling and you're like, I'm not in the mood for this. No. Not a fun nurse. Not a, like. Coming in with the knock.

But you've seen this out in the wild. You really have. Who hasn't? I, I know that I don't believe you. I mean, it's, and I love first ADs. It's a real first or second AD illness. It is so on set. It's a, it's a version of the lady.

It's a version of. Oh my God, remember we used to say An old milady gay Like a gay that wears a bojah! I'm gonna tell you what we're talking about after you'll You'll be like, yeah. But like, you know, and this is like, it's like the person who does this

Accents, and we're not talking Connor's story accents. No, no, no, no. Where you're like, I love this. It's like a little milady. Like, hello. I feel like especially when we're in comedy, it's like there's a time and place for this and this is not.

Of course. someone online pointed out that the only this kind of knock only happens on film and television in film and television knock knock knock someone saying the words knock knock knock knock while they're knocking on the door that death penalty is that I I've never encountered that in real life

knock knock knock knock I liked when you did that guy honestly I kind of liked to doing it I think wait did I break the mold I believe you but Now I'm like, should you do it? Knock, knock, no. Hey.

You know what I really want to be? Yeah. This sitcom neighbor. I mean, knock, knock, knock. I really feel I missed my opportunity to be on a 90s sitcom where I come in, where I come in like at the end of Act 1 and bring just enough like off kilter chaos. I think the problem. You bring the C story.

The problem is is you guys are too hot now to be the character. Stop it. It's huge to hear. It's not credible. Like for you being like knock-knock-knob. You don't think we're credibly goofy neighbors. Knock, knock, knock. No, the voice.

The face, the face, it's like, I got it. You're giving character actor, but the rest is not giving character actor, guys. I'm character actor down. It's fine. I've accepted it. No Louueva model is character actor.

That's me. A Louave model. Wait, wait. there's one thing there's one thing I lost it there's one thing knock knock

damn what is there another style of greeting that you're like no yeah well there's knock knock knock this hello my lady

oh god it makes my pelvic floor want to run away damn hello my lady yeah like it's very and I say this

I say this with love for myself it's Disney gay Oh. And I'm okay with it. Yeah. Wait, can I, can you guys tell me about Disney gay? Because I have, I have a great friend Justin Noble who you guys might know.

Yes. Wait, yeah. I just think he's a self-described Disney gay. But he is a person I respect. And he's smart and with integrity. But he loves Disney. He was like writing in the lobby of the Grand Californian. And so I, if that's okay to say, I hope that's okay for me to say.

But Justin is so funny. I identify as like a semi-irony. Disney gay. Okay. Tell me more. You have a demand. I think Matt and I would, and I would say Justin has a dimension of Disney gay.

Yeah. There are Disney gays who are, like, here's my collection of stencils of goofy. And it's like, okay. All right. And then it's like, it's like for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, well, by the way, Fraser says he can't believe I'm dating someone with this interest.

This is. Oh, that's fine. I understand. He actually doesn't even know what it is. Wait, you've never been to any Disney? I have. No, you haven't, babe. We have.

It's an adult with a headpiece with ears and a backpack is not something I'll accept. Endo. Whoa. I smell something I'll accept. When he said it like that, I was like, you should be ashamed of yourself. Don't make him do that. I know. But he's going to have fun against his every instinct.

That is not the requirement, though. You know what I mean? No one's forcing you to wear. I understand what you're saying. That's what I associate with a Disney adult. Yeah, but we're not, yeah, we, yeah, but that's not us. You know what, though we can't say we don't wear the clothes because in Tokyo, Disney is what we wearing those really fun, full head hats.

Because it was January and it was cold. It was cold. It was practical. You guys are Disney gays. We like to go to the parks. Okay. We'll leave it at that. We had a wonderful time in Disneyland Paris.

Paris. Oh, that's chic. They let you drink wine there. Because they don't let you drink it in the other parts. They kind of don't, right? They're changing their ways about that. Yes. The California Adventure.

Hey, I was about to be so boring. Who cares? I'm not going to tell you what I know about the rules about alcohol at Disney. Like, nobody cares. California Adventure, you can, but yeah. Here, let me take it. Yeah. Why am I?

They all know I'm pathetic already. I don't want to, yeah. No, it's, trust me, I, you're better off with the Amman. Yes. I mean. Yeah. We hope that for you. We'll go to the Amonara instead altogether.

I feel like this episode has been like a wonderful vacation. It has felt that way. I love it. I'm sad to leave. I mean, listen, this has been so great. And I really did. I was like, again, we're on the day of the cultural awards. And I was thinking about like just how amazing we felt that the camera just panned.

And there you were. And you've always been one of our favorites. and this has been so much fun and we just love you. I feel honored. Thank you so much. It was really special. I hope I can come back again.

Oh, please. You've been put in the regular rotation. And by the way, not suitable for work. Streaming now. Hulu, which is now, which now has the same parent company as Fox, which is what Mindy Project was on before.

And isn't that interesting? It is interesting. You really, you know this stuff. stuff, Bowen. But isn't that funny how it moved to Hulu? Well, he loves vertical integration.

Yes. He's really passionate about it. He's really, you should have seen him at the upfronts. He was lit up. He was like, where can I learn? I love consolidation.

No, it is true. That's a good point, because I was there, and now the show's there. There's still an iteration of Handmaid's Tale on like, when I was there and now.

God. Enmates's tail is going to be Fast and the Furious. It's never going to end. It's going to get like many, many sequels. There's going to be a roller coaster.

Oh my gosh. I'm sure Michelle Rodriguez is in it. She's in everything. And every episode with the song. Yeah. Can't wait. You don't return my text. You save my phone.

Don't get her text. What you got. A. T.T. Add it up. Don't equal you and me. If you want more of that, stream subtle sexuality. In the web episode of The Office.

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