Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Triple Crown: Society, America & The World" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: October 18, 2023

This episode comes to you from Bowen's Alex Levy-ish new home and will leave you feeling more updated than ever on the events of The Morning Show, Matt and Bowen's Eras Tour filmgoing experiences, Traylor Swelce at SNL, and how Matt got his "lucky thumb". All this, RHONY, RHOSLC, Will and Jada's latest bullshit, the Wonka trailer, and the upcoming Mean Girls: The Musical. Bonus episodes are available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistas.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.

Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo, or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba?

Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Look, man.

Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that las culturistas ting dong las culturistas calling set the scene go ahead the scene 300 degrees is that from party by beyonce i believe so that That's Andre 3000's verse. Don't do this. Where you sort of, I say one thing and you know what I'm talking about and you sort of go the other way. Matt. You know what I

want. I just gave Matt a tour of my new apartment. Homeowner. Optimal homo. Optimal operative? Yeah, I guess that was the thing. I know what you mean. You don't know your words, but you do know your heart. Someone came up to me on the plane the other day,

and they tapped me on the shoulder and said, I don't know my words, but I do know my heart. And I said, that needs to make a comeback. You pierced through the soul of society, America, the world. I let everybody know. The three big ones. Society, America, and the world. That's called a triple crown. When you pierce society, America, and the world. That's called a triple crown.

When you pierce society, America, and the world, it is called a triple crown. A triple crown. And that's actually a real culture number. Remind me. 52. 52. When you pierce society, America, and the world,

that is called a triple crown. And you did that when you uttered those words. I truly did. You know what else has earned the triple crown? And one of my favorite decorative elements about your home today is I walked in and on the television is the face of Bradley Jackson. Was the paused frame of Bradley Jackson on my television. And you call that a decorative element in my home.

I think it's a decorative element. It's like a painting. Like when you come in and you've- I have paintings in my home, as you can see. But I said it wasn't my favorite thing about the house. I see. My favorite thing about the house and something I think you should think about keeping all the time is Bradley. Just pause it on

Bradley Jackson's face on Morning Show and just have that be on your TV. And this is actually a tip for everyone at home. You can use your TV as a painting. That's true. If you pause it in the right place. If you pause it in the right place, you can use your TV as a painting. That's true. If you pause it in the right place. If you pause it in the right place, you can use your TV as a painting. That is very true.

That's real culture number five. You can use your TV as a painting if you pause it in the right place. I am in the middle of finishing this last week's episode of The Morning Show, and I'm realizing that we have not seen Chris in this episode. And I'm just now realizing, is The Morning Show kind of like SNL where the cast is so big that you might not see your favorite character on

any given episode? Yeah. Answer, yes. I also think that Chris existed just to be in that one race plotline. That is dark. Which ended at episode four, I guess. Yeah. I have to imagine that, like,

probably they wanted to do more with the character, and then, I guess, because there are so many people on this show, because it can't be said enough, the show employs some of the... Highest paid. Highest paid people in the world. Each episode, on top of production costs you pay money to shoot the thing and to you know get the locations whatever get the nice cameras

get the costumes whatever and then all told these actors are getting paid like a hundred million dollars well i believe it, it at least started two million an episode for a recent gen. I know, but I'm just- Who, by the way, it can't be overstated. Every single time

they have a scene together in this season of The Morning Show, the third graders have killed it. The energy between them is, oh my God, hi. Well, this is what I'm gonna- Oh my God, hi.

Oh my God, hey. It's so good to see you. Hey, thanks for always being my friend. Likewise, girl. Gotta go. Every scene is, I'm convinced that it's like Christopher Guest style

where the actors are like told what happens in the scene and then they're like, go. You know, like just make it your own. Like literally just in this episode, they go to the summit with, Bradley goes with her brother who was at the insurrection. Yes.

Who comes to visit town with his new wife and baby. He's turned his life around from being a drug addict, which I'm not saying it's not possible, but like within a year has completely turned. Like I can't even land a decent date once every quarter. And this man has, this insurrectionist is married with a family now? Well, his privilege is showing. Well, whatever.

That's not what I'm saying. First of all. I'm saying it's very clear. We'll be going between the lines. And we think his privilege is showing. Sure, sure, sure. Joe Tippett, your privilege is showing. Joe Tippett, who seems like a king. And he's one of the most talented actors out there. Talented, handsome, lucky. I mean, he and Sarah Bareilles,

that is a great couple. That is a low-key power couple. Forget about Travis and Taylor. That's the couple that I really am like, I need to know everything. Bowen said, forget about Trailer Swellsy, which is what I'm calling him. Trailer Swellsy.

Now, I'm just saying, there's this scene where they go to the summit, that place where you go, and it's an amazing view. The wife has a stroller, goes, I'm going to go to the bathroom. that place where you go and it's an amazing view. The wife has a stroller, goes, I'm going to go to the bathroom. She goes away. Reese's Bradley goes to her brother.

I love her. She's amazing. I love her. She's amazing. Oh my God. And then he's like, I'm confessing to the government. I'm turning myself in.

She goes, what? You can't do that. Because just to catch you all up, he's an insurrectionist. By the way, so was Bradley Jackson, because I'm sorry, but can you- She went undercover. Can you walk me through this? So how is she not in trouble-

Right, for being there. For literally being amongst the insurrectionists and literally being in the Capitol. That essentially means that you also- I think in this world, in the third grader world of the morning show, being a journalist means you're above the law. Okay, great. Do you know what I mean? And now I don't have any more questions. It's like, no one's

above the law, I guess, in theory, but journalists are in that world. In theory! In theory! Meanwhile, Insurrection Watch is not moving at all. We've not gotten any news. We've gotten no news. Do you still think we got it? You said Insurrection Watch. We, of course, are at all times We've not gotten any news. We've got no news. Do you still think we got it?

You said Insurrection Watch. We, of course, are at all times on Insurrection Watch now. We're Indictment Watch. Indictment Watch. Well, we got them so many times that I don't know if we still got them. Here's the thing. When you got them four times, it sort of loses power. That's what they're counting on.

That's what DOJ should have known. I know. I know. I know. Anyway, back to real world issues, which is what's going on on this television show. So if you don't know, now you know, Bradley Jackson was at the insurrection documenting and right in front of her assaulting a police officer- Was her own brother. Is her own brother, who we know she has had a difficult relationship to say the least her mother dies of covid right we have to imagine that that like turns her idiot brother into like even more of a raging freak he goes to the insurrection as a participant assaults a police officer

she gets it on video goes back to work goes Goes to her photos app on her Mac OS computer, deletes it from her photos. We need to portray this more accurately in film and television. We need to have seen her go to her deleted files and delete for good,

which also, it still lives in the cloud even if you delete it from the trash. Which I think Bradley Jackson would and should know, but I feel like the third graders... On an Apple TV Plus show, I'm saying... 100%. Yeah. I agree with you 100%. I will say, it's

sort of like your thing about how texting on television should look like real texting in that you know it's not that simple, girl. Like, they're not going to be doing all these setups. Right. The third graders know that it's enough for the audience to see a video getting deleted to know that she

is morally corrupt. They're three seasons in. They know how to do this. And can I say, I have no notes. I don't want them to change a thing. I want them to keep going

because in this next episode, so basically, Billy crewed up. He finds out that she's deleted this really damning footage. And basically now, Bradley, who's been all about journalistic integrity, when she is put to the test, she fails her own test.

She is now, she could go to prison for doing this. So basically he covers it up and now we're at where we're at. And the brother comes in and says, I'm going to confess. And she goes, are you fucking an idiot? And she's like, what have I done for you? And she's like screaming. And then she has a scene with Jennifer Aniston where Jennifer Aniston is like, well, you know, that's what we do. We hold people to account.

And Bradley Jackson goes, right. Right. Of course. That's what we do. And then Jennifer. Anyway, I got to go. Big interview happening. So love you, girl.

I'm Jennifer. You're Reese. You interview happening. So love you, girl. I'm Jennifer. You're Reese. You are Reese. You want to be Reese. I think, yeah, you are Jennifer. When I look around this apartment. Girl. You're Jennifer.

This is an Alex Levy apartment. Can I say, I'm so confused at that character, at Alex. What? For. Oh my gosh. You're confused about the characters on the morning show?

What I had to say out loud just to make it make sense in my brain was, she goes to like, has a day on Coney Island with Jon Hamm's character, who is this like billionaire tech oligarchy guy. And they have an amazing kind of pseudo date where like they really charm each other.

She like gets him on a helicopter to the Hamptons. It's this big moment. You would think that she like likes the guy. And then the next episode, she's like grilling him

at the all hands meeting. Yeah. In public in front of everyone. In public in front of everyone like trying to like embarrass him. I'm like. It makes no sense.

Why? Why? Why? Because people are complicated, Beau. Okay. Characters don't make sense. And humans don't make sense. Okay.

And the morning show knows that more than anyone. That's why I love these girls writing the show. Cause they know the show like people should make absolutely no sense. Did we establish that the third graders got held back and have been in the third grade for three years in a row now? Because they never, quote unquote, graduated to the fourth grade. They're Montessori. I see. Do you understand?

They're knitting, they're potting plants, they're writing TV. I mean, they're third graders, like, it's more of a spiritual thing. Yeah. And less about, like, continuing to educate and, like, moving forward in terms of, like, nothing about this is linear. in terms of like nothing about this is linear like nothing about this takes

place in time and space and I'm talking about the morning show and the existence of the third graders so basically what I want to say is you're at a point in this most recent episode where you have not and I came in and I'm like have they fucked yet right spoiler alert I am talking about

Jon Hamm and Jennifer Aniston. They fuck in the episode and... Which as an audience member, you're like, I did want to see that. And boy, do you. Yeah. They... It's like a J.J. Abrams sort of like

very interesting lighting. The position that they find themselves in post-coitally in the morning, I have to explain. Okay, so, and let me know straight couples if you ever find yourself in this body position after fucking. I'm so scared. Jon Hamm is

laying on his belly. Okay. Jennifer Aniston is nude on top of him. I can only describe their position as her pussy is on his butt. Like, he's giving bottom. But is her back on his back or is her tits are on his back. I see her pussies on his butt and her leg is sort of wrapped around his leg to the point where I'm like, does this happen?

Do women lay on top? Do women top men? I think this happens much more often than you think. I think it's a cat riding a tortoise. I think it's that. I think it's Hosea riding the shell, you know? I think that what Jon Hamm is trying to do is he's trying to make people forget his big old penis

because remember how he's so self-conscious about his big old penis. He's always like, whenever anyone talks about it in the media or like whenever he's like pushed on the size of his penis, which is swinging around all the time. I know it's like, well,

then you, you're the one who's swinging it. And it's also like penis shame comes from both sides. You know what I mean? And it's like, oh, I didn't realize. I think that that went into conversations that I,

all I can say is the body position that they're in was something that was discussed. This had a four hour meeting. Yes. It had to go through many different departments at hand. Ultimately, I'm sure that there was like the blocking rehearsal was two days. Absolutely.

And then they had to get the lighting right. And they had to get the lighting right. Oh my God. It's like, can you see the bulge from when i'm lying face down can you see it's more about her silhouette really because they like pan over her draped leg to the point where like they're fully nude and you see like the curve of her butt and then it goes around and like he by the way i can't even i can't explain he's wearing this necklace which i i couldn't get i

saw the necklace that you posted and then i posted posted it on Instagram. And then I was informed that is a St. Christopher necklace, which is something that surfers wear. And I was like, I couldn't make it clear. I get it so much that this is obviously something surfers do. I just didn't know it was that big of a deal. Unfortunately, now I do have to buy that and probably be him in a wetsuit with that necklace for Halloween. Oh, I thought you were to say you were going to start surfing. And I thought, no, there's no need. I don't know. No, Matt. Why would you do that? Do you think surfing is in my future?

There are sharks in the water. Oh, that's why I'm not going in there. We're on the same page. I shouldn't go in there. No way. I'm not going in the ocean. The surfing community is really, really shaken right now because they're like, what do we do about the sharks? Yeah, I mean, there's never been more sharks. And you know

that we were in Fine Rhineland last time we saw a shark. We talked about this. We talked about by the way, we called this man insane and hung. Yeah. And he was just being heroic. He was screaming at the ocean running down the beach.

And his penis was huge. And he was warning us of shark that is not relevant what his dick size i think that would be a compliment and okay can i just say something to john ham to this yeah guy on the beach who was screaming shark i'm so sorry that you guys feel upset that people can see how big your dicks are but when you're nude on the beach and when you are not wearing underwear in slacks and you're swanging it around, it's going to

get back to people. It's a triple crown. You're piercing society, America, and the world. Exactly. This episode is called The Triple Crown. The Triple Crown, society, America, and the world. The Triple Crown, society, America, and the world is title of app. It's title of app. And people are going to see that title of app and be like,

oh, wow, they're on their NPR shit this time. And then they're going to click play. And then it really couldn't be less. No, couldn't be less. But anyway, Greta Lee is really becoming like a huge part of the show. There's a scene where she's standing outside and she's sort of furiously, nervously smoking weed. I'm like, that's me watching this show.

I thought of you when I saw Greta Lee because she was picking at her fingernails and I went, that is some Matt Rogers behavior. She was nervously picking at her fingernails until it bled and I went- I know, look at my lucky thumb. I don't think we've told him about my lucky thumb. I saw your lucky thumb on FaceTime yesterday.

It's gotten worse. I need to sit you down. This is an intervention. I'm dead ass. You need to stop. I actually haven't touched it in a while. So everyone, I have a lucky thumb. No. Which I asked Bowen to rub sometimes for luck, trying to help him. And he persecutes me. Whatever. I'm just saying, how did the lucky thumb become what it is? I think from stress. I think all year. From digging your teeth into the keratin, the shell of the nail. So how would you

describe the texture? Feel the lucky thumb? Just touch it, please. Please touch the thumb. It looks so... Touch it. Crazy. Touch it and explain to the readers what it feels like. Readers, it's the Grand Canyon there is a deep deep canyon on the bed of the nail that then it's like a cliff that goes down and then comes back up but now it's at this weird angle it's so it's really weird picture of it for for the we'll post this to socials is this a good you have good my god i got it i just want to make sure it's really weird. I have to take a picture of it for the show. We'll post this to socials.

Is this good? Do you have good lighting? I got it. I just want to make sure it's a good glamour shot of my lucky thumb. Now, you haven't touched it in a while? No, I haven't been biting it because... Don't even touch it. What am I supposed to do, Bowen?

Greta Lee picks at her nails until they bleed. I thought you were going to say you thought of me when you saw Greta Lee in past lives. I did think of you. I did think of you. This is stunning acting like my sister. I did think of you. You were like, this is stunning acting like my sister. Not no. Not no. I said, my sister can deliver

a grounded bilingual performance like this. First of all, I don't pick at my thumb. I nervously bite my thumb. I was doing it all year because I have been stressed out because now everyone may know I am releasing an album and I've been stressed out because now everyone may know I am releasing an album. And I've been, you know.

He's been working so hard. It was stressful. A couple months they're recording it, getting everything together. It's been a big project. And my thumb fell by the wayside. That is the price to pay, I guess. Yeah. You can come see my luckyumb live if you come buy tickets

to me on tour. I think there's an original song. Get your tickets. They are going fast. Well, they could be going faster. That's why we're saying to get your tickets. I think the Lucky Thumb can be a new Christmas classic.

A new Christmas image. Nervously waiting for Santa gnawing on my lucky thumb. Yes. The holiday spirit is stressing you out so much that you get a lucky thumb. That actually is good. So many gifts to buy. So many meals to make. So many family to see. I've been gnawing on my thumb.

And the chorus is like, I've been chewing on my thumb so hard. I've been waiting for Santa Claus. Deluxe version. It's so crazy. I've been waiting for Santa Claus. I mean, God, it's so... Deluxe version. It's so crazy. He just is able to come up with, like,

hooks like that with the meter, with the way that the syllables land. Now, I think the lucky thumb, if the fans, if the readers,

Katie's publicist, finalists would go see your shows, I think if they show up with the lucky thumb, it's like your friendship bracelet. You know what I mean? Exactly.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy.

We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.

Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.

Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison

from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me.

It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Speaking of friendship bracelets, you've both seen the Aristore film. We both have seen the Aristore film. In very different settings, I would say.

Yes, you sort of went by yourself on a Thursday night. Wednesday night, I see Taylor is releasing tickets a day before the actual premiere, which I must imagine upset some Swifties who wanted to say that they were the first ones to see it. And, you know, I think they also went to a great lengths to like plan their weekend around

it and thought it was more limited than I guess it was going to be. But you know what? Hey, I must thank Taylor for doing that. Yeah. Well, because I was not quick to buy the original release of tickets. And then I tried to get some the other day,

earlier last week, and saw that it's all, I mean, every theater is sold out in New York for the next two and a half weeks. I said, okay,

I guess I got to wait until November. And then she releases these tickets. I bought two pairs of tickets for two showtimes, 7.30 and then 9.45. Didn't get out of work

until nine o'clock, until 9.15. So you really helped the opening weekend box office. Yeah. I quadrupled the amount of tickets that I ended up using. Because guess what, guys? I saw it by myself in a theater that was not packed because it was a late, late show.

But there were about, like, what? 30 of us there. Getting up and singing and dancing? See, the spirit did not move us. I see. I had my own room and it was like a big theater where, you know, seats could recline. I could not see anybody else, but it seemed like other people in the rows above me, no one was below me and the rows above me were having fun cheering. I was by myself in my own row. No one could see me. This is purely for myself. Yeah. Was pumping my fist during the reputation beat. Can we say? Yes. The Reputation era was 100% the best part.

Yep. Look What You Made Me Do went off so hard. Yep. The way that any hater of that song, and I'm just going to be honest, myself included in the very beginning. Of course, me too. We were not Look What You Made Me Do original OG supporters.

In fact, we felt confused. We felt, we always loved the We felt we always loved The Bridge. We always loved Bad Dreams. Look, now I think it's one of the great songs. I think it's one of the great standards. It is by far the highlight of such an incredible concert and film.

And I would say Evermore, Into Reputation, that whole section, she really capital D, capital T did that for sure i think reputation fucking jolts you back into because i was late i had a long day i was getting a little droopy eye during evermore during evermore not that i don't love and adore Evermore, but then reputation. That fucking, these title treatments for each of the eras. Oh, the snake going through the crowd.

I was like, I have never seen, that was like the first time I saw the Titanic on film. Sink. Sink. Was the snake coming out of the fucking screen. I went, damn. Unreal. Unreal. And listen, loved the fucking screen. I went, damn. Unreal. Unreal.

And listen, loved the secret songs. Yeah, good ones. You can tell she loves, you can tell she loves reputation and folklore. Folklore, I think, took the longest. Yeah. Ate up the most time. I was talking to Jared and Patrick

about like what we would cut if we absolutely had to. And it's so interesting because watching the actual Eros tour and thinking what I would cut if we absolutely had to. And it's so interesting because watching the actual errors tour and thinking what I would cut while in the concert is so different than the film. Yeah. What I would cut from the film, like tolerate it.

Like I saw that show four times. And so tolerate it. I'm like, okay, let's go, let's go, let's go. Oh really?

Yeah. And then she said Broadway in the errors tour. That's right. What I was most taken by in the whole time is how calm and present she is the whole time. Because when you're seeing the concert, the energy in the stadium, as I'm sure many of is so insane that for her to like even find the camera and remain present and like be calm was so just wild to see. Yeah.

She is really plugged in. She is having fun. I think she's leaned into this thing where it's like, she's just going to be fun and literal. And like, she has to play to the fucking nosebleeds, you know? So she's,

so it's like, I'll be waiting. so she's so it's like I'll be waiting she's like tapping her wrist I'll be waiting she's like story pirates she's doing story pirates and that's what we're taught in story pirates is you gotta play to the back row like big actions be big objectives must be

so clear you're making me feel like I'm the man get the typewriters out. Get the desks. Okay, I'm going to say this bravely. Let me tell you something. I heard that she cut Wildest Dreams from the movie and I text Bo in two words. Hate her.

Hate her. She knows what she did. She disrespected a lot of people with that decision. If you saw her in person, would you say that to her? I said, I hate you. No, I wouldn would you say that to her? I said, I hate you. No, I wouldn't even say it to her. I would go up to Travis and I'd point to her and I'd say, hate her. Hate her.

And she'd laugh. Did you know they were coming? No. They just came to SNL. They just came. And it was a dress rehearsal. I was like, great, that was fun. I'm in my room, getting stuff, you know,

tidying up my room. I had people watching from my dressing room for the air show. I walked outside, I'm in my room getting stuff, you know, tidying up my room. I had people watching from my dressing room for the air show. I walked outside to go to my makeup chair. I see two people talking to two tall people.

You said tallest people in the world. Tallest people in the world. Yeah. By the way, it's one thing to see them individually. Many times.

In space. Yeah. But it's pure false multiplier. It's like, I see them together. I go, oh no, I'm in the Redwood Forest go oh no i'm in the redwood forest yeah i'm in the redwood forest might as well have been evermore staging it might as well the trees were so tall folklore staging no mama no mama the evermore staging is the tree oh the

staging but the folklore album cover yeah i think that we just missed each other there but we're really saying the same thing which which is trees and tall trees. Tall tree pain. Period. Tree pain is tall. I mean, here's the thing. She has to stand tall in this industry. She's a giant, a titan of this industry.

She should be tall. Yeah. What you're saying is you're like Meryl Streep in Big Little Lies. You don't trust small people. We are on the Hunter Harris bandwagon where we are saying Amy Adams, please do the Tree Pain biopic. You must. She is destined for that. That's the Oscar.

She's getting the Oscar for the Tree Pain biopic. Hunter Harris has been writing about this on her sub stack for years. This is what it needs to be. And I haven't read the sub stack, so I don't know exactly what Hunter is planning. And I think if anyone should write this, it should be Hunter. But this is my pitch. I think the Tree Pain biopic should be

like the two hours after Kim and Kanye first did what they did. I want to see like real time. Open up your notes app, Taylor. Yeah. I want to see real time PR handling. I want to see ultimately at the end of the movie, it should be shot like Zero Dark Thirty. And I want to see ultimately at the end of the movie, it should be shot like zero dark 30.

And I want to see ultimately at the end of the movie. Remember when zero dark 30, when Jessica Chastain gets on the plane and she finally has a moment where she can like break down and sob. Oh my God. Is zero dark 30 not top of mind for you? Right. Another iconic redhead film.

Exactly. Yes. And also Jessica is going to be mad that we didn't pitch her for. It's Amy. I'm sorry, Jessica. You've had, you're fine. She's literally fine. You've, you've to be mad that we didn't pitch her for. It's Amy. I'm sorry, Jessica. You've had, you're fine.

You, she's literally fine. You've, you've done a lot. You don't need this. Yeah. What is she doing right now? Um,

she's doing something right now. The Tim Tammy thing. What? Tim Tammy, the Timmy. Why not? Yeah. The Timmy,

why not thing? Jessica testing is what we're saying is you're busy. George and Tammy. I don't know why I said Tim. Well, that's like last year, George and Tammy. I don't know why I said Tim and Tammy. Well, that's like last year. George and Tammy. I forget what she's doing, but she is doing something right now.

And Jessica Chastain is kind of always doing something. It's actually rollercoaster number 99. Jessica Chastain is kind of always doing something. Can I say? What? The fact that George and Tammy was this year, I'm so out of the loop with Jessica. It's hard to find things sometimes. She's not triple crowning.

Can I say this isn't my I don't think so, honey. But I don't think so, honey. They just took I love that for you like off. You can't watch it. It's crazy. I've always been that kind of person that's like, oh no, that would feel so bad to be in one of the things that they

just take off streaming. We're not, no one's immune. I'm so sorry. I'm scared for Fire Island. I know. I'm really scared for Fire Island to be honest. What's going to happen? I think the fact that it's gotten some awards and nominations

is a good sign. And the fact that it's Searchlight is good, but I'm also like please, please, please, please, please at least put this on airplanes. That's my thing. There was someone out there who was like, I fought to get the physical copy of my thing because I don't trust the streamers.

I was like, oh yeah, I guess that is important. Not to trigger anybody. Also, not to scab. Gotta get off this topic. Anyway, what were we talking about? Tree pain biopic. Oh, it should be the two hours after the Kim and Kanye thing, and we should see tree pain

jump into action and handle shit. And at the end, I believe she has a moment to herself, maybe in a car or a closet, which is just three uninterrupted minutes of her finally just like having a release because she has had to be so strong as

Taylor Swift's publicist and Amy would finally win the Oscar. Emily would win the Oscar. Do you think it's a thing where we never see Taylor in the film? Yeah. I think we never see her. I'm going to really selfishly pitch something. You want to be in it. Well,

here's the thing. I think we should be in it. I think we should be in everything. I agree, but I think we should be in it in this way, playing ourselves. Fuck. I think the movie becomes in everything. Because, I agree, but I think we should be in it in this way. Playing ourselves. Fuck. I think the movie becomes a backdoor pilot for the Matt and Bowen biopic television show.

I know it's a movie. Yeah. But the movie is the backdoor for the show. And it ends, the movie ends slash the show starts with the phone call that Tria and I had. Yeah. gosh, the show starts with the phone call that Tree and I had while I was laying over in the Madrid airport passing hot Spanish guy after hot Spanish guy, I fucking each one of them, them, I fucking me.

I was like, this is Spanish men. What is going on? Meanwhile, I'm on the phone with Tree Payne discussing the particulars and the contract obligations of would Taylor be interested in sending a video to the Culture Awards?

Yeah. And Tree Pain was powerful, professional. Miss Pain. Miss Pain. And then the show starts with the Culture Awards.

You and I kind of waving. And then we see finally her have three moments of a breakdown because she has had to be so strong in dealing with you on the phone she's had to bowen has been such a nightmare on

the phone it's been bowen is he's so difficult to deal with in this hollywood yeah since he's become you know you know big bowen since he's but since he's become the legend, I was proud of you doing Columbus. Your Italian accent was giving me, what was it giving me? He said, Signor Pirelli. Signor Pirelli. Yeah. Which I loved.

It was fun. I worked hard on it. And yet some people- You work hard all the time. That was never in doubt. Some people who, you know, do this, the Sunday morning write-ups were not as impressed. And I went, oh, that's fine.

You know what I realized this is me being real and people can roll their eyes at this yeah go ahead I don't think it's fun to like root for me anymore and it's and it's okay I don't think that's true I kind of think it's you think when you roll out there and make an update they're like oh here we go well I think like this one I'm gonna say in the moment oh this is so fun I'm so lucky wow in the moment, oh, this is so fun. I'm so lucky. Wow. And then I think once it kind of passes through the internet thing, it's like, oh, well, that's not. Let me tell you something. The internet, not good. It's pretty bad.

It's pretty bad. And also, I remember when you first got on and people were like, there was just the troll thing. And you would come to me and you'd be like the trolls online are so mean they're so mean they're so mean i finally got like a little taste of it because whenever i go on watch it happens live oh these people are they are it's it's like these people are like the scorched scum on like the steel of the soul like troll culture is like so real still. And I'm like, oh, this is with everything going on in the goddamn world.

Like this is what people get so deep about. I'm like some gay guy spouting off on Watch What Happens. Anyways, it's just no nuanced conversations on the internet. I think as we can see. Of course. Anyway, I didn't mean to masturbate in front of everybody. What you don't know is that Bowen has had his dick in his hand in front of me for the last

35 minutes, and I said, Bowen, this doesn't feel appropriate to me. And I said, I'm in my own home. Yeah, and I said, I need HR on this podcast. I should have them on speed dial. Yes, well... Did I tell you I met Sutton Strack the other night?

You did. Can you, can we know what she said? Yeah, we can know what she said. I basically, I know what she said, but I want,

I want everyone to know what she said. No, so we ran into each other at this restaurant in Los Angeles and I went up to her and I was like, oh my God, hi. And she said, I feel like I know you. And I was like,

I mean, it's so great to meet you. You're my favorite. And she goes, well, don't go that far that is i loved it and then walked away and i was like you are my favorite and she was like i don't know and i was like you are and she was like running away i believe she might have been on a date she was with a gentleman that makes me very happy to hear well i was debating

whether or not to go up to her and greta and and Abra were like, you should go up to her. If she's on a date, this will make her look cool, you know, et cetera. Oh, that's great. That's great. And I bet she felt really good about it. I mean, I don't know how she felt. She got either shy or incredibly furious that I said to her, you're my favorite. Or was she being faux humble?

Perchance. Perchance to dream. Perchance to dream. Perchance to dream. Speaking of housewives, did you watch Roni last night? So I, I have to say

something about Roni, which is that I think it's gotten really good towards the end of the season and I'm sad to see a villain so clearly emerge because I can tell

this person did not think they were going to be this. This is really two. This is what we're all saying. Yeah. Sayonara. because I can tell this person did not think they were going to be this. This is really two. This is what we're all saying. Yeah.

Sigh and Aaron. They're so fucking lame. You know, here's what I think. I think that sigh, what I get from her sometimes is like, I think her energy and her face value. I think that she's a good person. The essence of sigh is cool. Yeah. I think the she's a good person. The essence of Psy is cool. Yeah, I think the essence of her is better than her behavior.

Right. It doesn't really make sense to be like, I don't care. Like, I'm better than this, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. Like, and to really be so dismissive and then to have pretty much your entire storyline be

that your head is all the way up Jessel's ass. And what I would say is that I think that the internet is a little hard on Psy because I just don't- I don't know. She's not making a great case for herself. I think it's actually quite,

it rarely happens, but it's quite evenly proportioned. You think? Because, I mean, the storyline is her head's up Jessel's ass. Even to the finale it's still about the snacks and the cheese and the food i'm like give it up jessel really won the season i'll say that jessel won the season walked away with it sigh and i'm gonna say brin i know brin's

like the other favorite but like both of their things even with brin's invitation meaning bring the person that you've had sex with or want to have sex with I'm like this is not me being prudish or sex negative I'm like it's everything that comes out of your mouth

is about fucking boobs dicks whatever what like and then her whole thing about like

settling down with a man it's about like he needs to read The Economist I'm like are you 19? I think she doesn't know what she wants

right and I can relate to that 1000% same but back to Psy yeah to read The Economist. I'm like, are you 19? I think she doesn't know what she wants. Right. And I can relate to that 1000%. Same. But back to Psy. Yeah. The nobody cares thing. It's like you're screaming at the most at the weirdest, craziest register about how much you care. You don't care. And what did you

say at one point in the episode? Don't call me a mean girl, you fucking bitch. Don't call me a mean girl you fucking bitch yeah okay don't call me a mean girl you fucking bitch is kind of iconic i will say i didn't like i did not like pavit calling her a bitch i did not like pavit in the last episode being she like she's bipolar pavit needs to sort of slow it down there i understand like it can't feel good to like be the object of all this it's just weird too too, because I feel like Jessalyn and Povitt are so obviously fine. Yeah.

I feel like they're actually a picture of a pretty good relationship. I agree. And the sex thing is, it's just like, that's like centering sex in a relationship in a way that's just like, I think says, like you're saying much more about all of them than it does about Jessalyn and Povitt.

Right. You know what I mean? I realized, oh, the whole season has been like these two women, Aaron and Cy, interrogating, examining, turning over every rock about the marriage, Jessalyn's background. Yeah. And for why?

For why? For what? For why? For whomst? For? Her chance. Her chance. To chance to dream. Here's a question for you.

Do you think A, Jenna Lyons wants to be on the show and B, will return to the show? I think she'll return. I think this is the most we've talked about Jenna Lyons in a long time. And I think she likes that. And I don't blame her.

I love that. You know, she wants to sell her eyelashes. She wants to explain why her teeth are all new like she like she has a platform to like tell people who she is why she does what she does i think she's come off very well yeah i just feel like it's really interesting to see her like take this platform and and like she's like i'm going to do it on my own terms and in that i both respect that because it's like yeah who says that you have to do Housewives the way everyone else does Housewives? At the same time,

when Housewives is happening around you, you do have to kind of participate in it. Otherwise, you're going to get left behind in the narrative. Totally. I just would like to see her play ball a little bit more. Do you think if Uba continues to date this man in Connecticut, I would be annoyed if she did not, if she still kept him away from the show? Uba if Uba continues to date this man in Connecticut, I would be annoyed if she did not, if she still kept him away from the show.

Uba? Uba. I think we will not see him kept away from the show. Oh, kept away. No, no, no. I think he'll be on the show. It's just early days. And like, of course you don't bring him on. She's moving in silence because she knows,

well, we see what happens when you make a mistake. The wolves and the sharks come out. To hunt. To hunt. And they hunted. And then we saw that in when you make a mistake. The wolves and the sharks come out. To hunt. To hunt. And they hunted. And then we saw that in the finale. The hunting. And guess what?

That's a little bit what they're all there to do. They're there to hunt. Totally. Well, the Psy having that meltdown, I'm like, you're just upset that you got caught. Yeah. That was 100% what that was. It's so obvious. Yeah.

You were a hypocrite. You said you would do one thing and did another. And it was on camera. The image that Psy is trying to project, the person that Psy is trying to be on camera is not at all lined up with the person she actually is and therefore she is now this

villain where she banked on other women being the unfavorites. It's really hard to say my thing is I'm cool and unbothered and you're screaming and you're telling you're the screamer, you know, you know,

but like, that's, this is the thing is like what I wish for. And I don't think I know that this is another unpopular opinion. I want to see everyone come back and I think they should add one. I know I'm in the minority opinion here, but I would like to see Liam McSweeney on with these, with this cast personally. I think she makes the most sense and I think it will see Liam McSweeney on with this cast.

Personally, I think she makes the most sense and I think it would be nice and be invigorating for the show to have someone come back. To have one bridge.

Right, because Leah never fit in with that group anyway. I know, totally. She was so much younger than them. She was so much different than them. She was so much

hipper than them. I'm not going to say cooler. She was just hipper. She was just like an edge that they literally couldn't handle. So conversation would break down because like it was ramona and leah and who cares they're speaking a different language like i think that leah and sai would be an interesting vibe i think that leah and brin would be a fun vibe i think like one of the only people that

would literally say to jenna lions like what what the fuck? Like, why aren't you? Why are you better than us? You're right. Is someone like Leah. You're right. And I know that Leah did not slay the ultimate girls trip and people have their ideas about why and who she is, et cetera.

And yeah, her second season was that certainly not as strong as her first. And that has nothing to do with sobriety. It just has to do with like, I don't know, maybe where she was at in her life. But like, That has nothing to do with sobriety. It just has to do with, I don't know, maybe where she was at in her life. But I think that Leah is watchable and dynamic and would fit in with this cast and would give it a boost next season,

perchance the edge and danger that it needs. Perchance to dream. That's how I feel. You make a very good case. I was not totally on board when you first proposed this, but now this persuasive girl. Persuasion. The new fragrance by Matt.

By Matt. See, the thing is, when I start to do my fragrances, it will not be as Matt Rogers. It will just be Matt. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends.

Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You've told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City. All new, Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.

He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez.

At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still

this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble.

I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.

Do you agree that the name Matt is really powerful? No. I think it is. Whenever someone says Matt, I hear you saying it, Matt, and I smile. Does that make sense? It makes sense why you would smile when hearing my name. Love you, sister. But I don't think the name holds power.

What I think is frustrating about my name, Matt, is that approximately billions have it as well. And I will also say that when you go onto Spotify and you type in Matt Rogers. It's still American Idol guy? It's a country singer named Matt Rogers. And then there's me. And then there is an American Idol contestant, obviously,

who's also like a TV host. So it's like, I sort of can't do anything in this goddamn town. I know you don't like goddamn, but that's how I'm describing the town. Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying goddamn in song. I know, I sort of can't do anything in this goddamn town. I know you don't like goddamn, but that's how I'm describing the town. Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying goddamn in song. I know. I know. But, you know, it's just so many people are Matt Rogers.

And yet I feel like I have worked. Oh, my God. You. So hard to establish my identity. So we get like this. Like you are a mononymously Bowen. You know what I mean? You could be Bowenen it's not mononymous

it's truly not i forgot your last name i don't know you're mononymous to me beyonce madonna bowen did you see um clips from the celebration tour i did not see clips in the it looks she looks good she looks good yeah i am excited I hope to go. I hope to go too. That would be really fun. Barclays. The set list is just, I mean, that's Madonna. That's Madonna. Is she doing Barclays?

She's doing Barclays in December. That's going to be a hard ticket to get. Oh, December, I can't go. I'm on tour. Buy tickets at www.mattrogersonofficial.com. Cancel the tour. No, I can't. Okay.

I just, I love my fans too much. I think the fans would be more excited to see you than Madonna. I will live and have slight regrets if I don't see Madonna on what may be her last tour. But I will really, really, really, really hate myself if I don't go to see you. Somebody said, ugh, really messed up. Got tickets to see Matt Rogers and the Countess Lou on the same night. What do I do? And I said, girl.

You know what to do. I'll see you at the Countess Lou on the same night. What do I do? And I said, girl, you know what to do. I'll see you at the show. Come on. Lou's been doing it for a minute. She's making trips around the sun. Matt has been with Lou Canever, which is release an album. Do you know what I mean?

I'm sorry. She, Lou knows this. I think that one single every three years. Yeah. Well, an album from Lou would be major. I just don't think.

I want to hear the Lou ballad. I don't know that Lou has the work ethic. She's up there. I'm just saying like she doesn't have the hunger. I think she's so hungry. I think she's as hung as Jon Hamm in that gay on the beach screaming shark. The three hungry and hung icons.

Luann, Jon Hamm. The shark guy. And fag who cried shark. Fag who cried shark. Do you think he's upset that we called him a fag? I think so. Literally, we were still on the island when the episode came out. Yeah, we were.

And I was at the canteen getting some breakfast. And then one of the shop owners walked up to me and said, we loved your episode. And the guy who was telling everybody about the sharks, you know, called me this morning and said he was he felt really embarrassed I said oh no that's not what that was no we were saying no no no we were

truly hailing him as a hero we were just kind of he was right he was right I said I want to do a film based on him I literally want to do a film based on him which is he's getting the life rights check this is what I want is I do think it could be a great opportunity like artistically to play someone who literally no one believes and then all of a sudden the shark rises up at the end and we all gasp because

they were like oh my god he was right and like fag is a term of endearment oh i mean like come on oh please we only use it endearingly i've never called someone I do not like a faggot. On my life. Never. Only icons. Only icons. Truly. And he counts as one of them.

100%. Where we say, oh, Housewives. Anything to say about Salt Lake? Interesting development. Last week, I was writing on Tuesday. Now, I don't get to watch Salt Lake the night that they air because I'm working. But you and Sudi were watching it together last week, and you both shocked me with a statement. Do you know what it was?

Say what it was. You're both team Angie now. Oh, we can't say that. It's not that I'm team Angie now. It's that after that, I deeply understood Angie. Why this would feel so harmful? Because the way that her husband broke down, I was like, okay,

two things. One, I believe these people are actually fine and discussions about her. And I also think being team Angie doesn't mean anti-Marriteth because I actually don't think she's, I don't believe that Meredith as a glad girly is out here being like, her husband's gay. I think it must be something else.

Meredith on Watch What Happens said, one of her questions from the audience was, was the rumor that you were talking about ever get discussed? And she goes, I never discussed it. And then Andy goes, well, she goes, that's not what I'm talking about. And Meredith never, never spread that rumor. Yeah, she said she knew a rumor and would go there.

And that doesn't mean it's necessarily this gay thing. I think that there's some, well, whatever. I think, I guess what I'm saying is like, one one i don't think that their marriage is like weird and two i think if he is gay leave it alone it doesn't feel good to watch this guy fucking break down like this i mean he like loves his daughter he has love for his wife i don't know what form that takes but whatever it is it is clearly real and therefore like oh but it's getting to the point now where it's just like i guess if you go on one of these reality shows like and your husband's

like hey i don't know and you're like no no no it's like you can't make him that promise like every single one of these women is bloodthirsty to destroy your marriage yeah it's like sayonara and looking for something wrong with jessel and povett like literally desperately needing there to be something wrong with them to prove what my thing is that it's just i mean giselle fucking does this it's like constantly it's like let's say like i don't know like tamra on oc or whatever like it's low-hanging fruit at this point it's so well trod that i'm like i actually don't give a fuck if someone's marriage is on the rocks on one of these shows. It's not why I'm watching.

Or if the marriages are on the rocks, let's see it play out between the couple. You know what I mean? It just feels like, it always feels like when someone on any reality show comes for someone else's marriage, it will always read to me as, you are not personally compelling enough to carry your own thing. And that is something I will give Jenna Lyons. Is she is personally compelling enough so that she can barely engage with what's going on. And for us to still be like, Jenna, Jenna. And to still be like, oh, wow, she's so great.

She's an icon. We have to make it a little bit of a shorter episode today. So we're going to transition into I Don't Think So, Honey. And I personally, my I Don't Think So Honey, I believe could be elaborated on. So I want to get into it. I love a conversation starter. I love conversations with you in general. Girl, you

know that's reciprocal. My favorite conversationalist. I always say that. I don't know. Speaking of, we will be in conversation with Betty Gilpin 92nd Street Y. So excited. October 22nd. And we are going to be releasing that as an episode. We are.

It'll also be live streamed. It'll be on the YouTube. I don't know that it will be released on our feed. Okay, so just know that I deeply want to provide it as an episode, and so does Bowen. And just stay tuned, but you'll never know. So if you feel like it is any doubt, just come see us. Okay, we're so excited. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose.

My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer.

I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that,

like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez.

At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story,

as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We should say that I Don't Think So Honey is our one-minute segment where we each take a minute to really get something in culture that's grinding our gears. That's the expression. Matt Rodgers will go first.

This is Matt Rodgers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, Will and Jada. I'm so tired of it they're so annoying like you might have to be brought to the red table if that's your real name because now we know the red table has been if red is the color of honesty and truth well this has not been very red you're so why are you saying like why have we been engaging in your relationship if it's not been an actual thing for seven years?

Like, what is this? And I'm so over in general and trailer swells, see I have to say this too, but like, this like thing of like promoting your own relationship feels a little weird to me and icky to me, like, less with them because it's like exciting and blah blah blah

and that's like, you know, part of it. I'm just bothered by the will and jada thing because it feels like both weird and dishonest and annoying at this point what was the slap for if your marriage hasn't been real and that's one minute yes it's not that they owe us anything at the time that these things develop but it's that oh, you are creating these really exhausting media narratives around your marriage. When it was all, when it was always a sham. Yeah. I guess that's my thing is it's just like,

you ask us to engage, you ask us to engage for years and years and years. You are willing Jada, you came to the red table. Right. And now it's like, it just feels like, huh?

Anyway, that was a very good conversation starter. Thank you. And that's what we have here. Honest conversations. I have one that's kind of, it's a reaction to something that I just witnessed.

Okay. Bowen has witnessed something in the culture and therefore he comes to his podcast, Lascaux Jauris, to discuss it. And thank God. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.

I Don't Think So Honey, this new Wonka trailer. Matt just made me sit down and watch. He didn't make me. I was curious. But I watched it and my jaw was on the floor. I'm not going to blame Timothy for this, but like tennis ball acting, we have to figure out something better.

Timothy is not acting in the same movie as Hugh Grant. It's so clear they were never on set the same day. I'm sure they were, but the eyelines, the registers, the tone, all completely misaligned in any given moment of this trailer, and I'm sure in the whole film.

Also, I mean, we're going to apply the same thing we did like 12 years ago to movies, these like prequel origin story movies. I think we're done. It's so tired. Like it's so tired. And I think we couldn't even get it right with Maleficent and Angelina.

Like that's as compelling as it gets. Like I don't, we love Willy Wonka. We love the man and the chocolate, but not the story. And that's one minute. I just don't know who asked for a new Wonka. I don't know that we needed this. And that makes me feel like, obviously it's just because it's a beloved property.

Like, but is it? Like, do people care about this? I mean, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is, it's monoculture. It's like everyone knows. And so I don't think it's about beloved property. I think it's research. I think it's market research being like, well, hey, Warner Brothers,

we haven't done anything with this in a while. I don't want to predict that something's going to do badly, but I think this is going to bomb. I'm predicting this is going to bomb. Here's what I think. Two things. I predict Wonka's going to bomb. I predict Mean Girls musical will be huge.

It's the Taylor Barbie thing. It's like the reason Paramount moved it off of Paramount Plus and into theaters was because they were like, oh, right. These are the people who are paying for movie tickets right now. First of all, not for nothing, but like Mean Girls shouldn't ever have been going to paramount plus mean girls is a huge relevant yes like cultural thing that people would want to revisit for 20 years it's been relevant it's crazy i think if anyone didn't like the musical probably because like i personally feel like when you put something on broadway it kind of sucks edge out of something like mean girls which is like mean girls are so cool because it was so funny and edgy and bitchy and fun

and said something and was like, you know, it was able to create new things, whereas a Broadway version of that literally taking place on a stage, just kind of like you can't necessarily be edgy and inventive and cool. No, it has to be for the moms and the dads who are flying their teens in to watch this. Yeah, whereas a movie

version of even the musical can feel edgy and cool and it looks cool and it looks great and renee looks so slay in it yeah that line reading was that's how you end the trailer it's so renee get in loser or whatever yes and i love that she's not copying rachel i know oh no she's smarter than that yeah no she's really fucking good yeah yeah and uh it seems like a great cast. Yeah. It seems like a lot of fun. I was happy to see Tim Meadows

and Tina are in it. Slay. Slay. And I will be there. And here's the thing is, it's like Mean Girls, I know I'll be there. Wonka,

I know I won't. Yeah. You know you won't. And I love Timmy. I mean, like, oh, to say nothing of Olivia. Coleman. And that's another thing.

I was like, wow, she's in this, huh? And it's not enough. For me. Can't possibly be that's another thing I was like wow she's in this huh and it's not enough for me can't possibly be you know what I was thinking Mean Girls does you know what the thing

that people overlook in Mean Girls the moral of that entire story is at the mathletes competition where it's I know it like is the climax of the film for Katie

but I always forget this part and it's it is the whole point of the movie is where she's like she has a snaggle tooth she has like she has a lipstick

yeah yeah yeah and then she goes I realized making fun of this person is not going to help me solve this problem yeah and I'm like

that's the whole point of the movie being mean does not make you better better it doesn't help anyone it doesn't help a given situation

like listen we're on a pop culture podcast where we like make fun of things all the time but it's not for like hopefully if we're doing our jobs, right. It's not to like aggrandize ourselves. No, it's, I would never, ever, ever.

And I don't, I don't think either of us think we're better than a single fucking thing we talk about. And that is a fact. Ever, ever, ever. But I will say, I think what we want to end this podcast on is to say, Psy, being mean to Jessel is not going to make you better. Period. Period. And that's why we wanted to talk about Wonka. Was to get to Psy.

And, I mean, calling someone a mean girl is a pretty heavy thing because of that movie. And, you know, speaking of mean girl culture, one of the most iconic bitchy songs and the highlight of the heiress tour movie is what we're going to end the podcast on today. Ooh, look what you made me do. Look what you made me do. Look what you just made me do. Look what you just made me.

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