Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Twee" (w/ Eliot Glazer & Guest Host Michelle Collins)

Episode Date: December 27, 2017

It's the last episode of 2017 and it's only fitting that Las Culturistas ends the year with a little twist! Matt has been whisked off to Los Angeles for 24 hrs, so in his stead, the Floridian Queen & host of Fresh Batch podcast, Michelle Collins, joins forces with Bowen to welcome a true Culturista to the pod, Eliot Glazer (New Girl, Broad City). And if you're thinking this episode WOULDN'T cover sound baths, then you're extremely wrong. Because they talk about sound baths. As well as Twee Culture, Jada Pinkett Smith's metal band "Wicked Wisdom," modern parenting, The View (and Michelle's experience as a host), Plus, Hot Engineer Will tells the insane story of being flown out to LA to walk on the red carpet with 30-50 other Will Smiths for the premiere of Netflix's "Bright", starring Will Smith. And of course, three hot "I Don't Think So, Honeys!" to close out the year. We love you Las Culturistas listeners and we'll see you in 2018!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistas/twitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASTforeverdogpodcasts.com/las-culturistas Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow, you guys. Before we get going, we just have to do some housekeeping. I went through the chain. It's Matt. It's Matt. Matt got vocal surge. To make it deeper. To make it deeper. And it's me.

Oh my God. Shut up. Good morning. Oh my God. So Matt just through an emergency had to fly out to la last minute so he's on a plane right now um so i'm filling in for him we have our good friend friend of the show um the host of fresh batch uh the former judge of cold war uh my friend uh my floridian queen oh my god mrs 305 hi michelle thanks for doing that that was my cell phone that went off and it was a random my friend, my Floridian queen, Michelle Collins. Mrs. 305.

Hi. Hi, Michelle. Thanks for doing this. That was my cell phone that went off, and it was a random doctor's office, so the results are in, I guess. Should I have taken it? Oh, no. Wait.

Okay, can you explain the two cell phone situation? Like, who the fuck are you? It's exhausting. You know, can I just tell you why I can't win in this world? Why, why, why, why? And why everyone's against Mitch. Oh, okay. This is a new podcast I'm launching today.

I had a droid for a long time, which became the butt. I mean, I always am the butt of many jokes, but this was really like bottom of the barrel, rock bottom. But that's when Ken Seely comes in and he's like, we need to talk. And everybody made fun of me

because the green text came through and people were like, what kind of animal are you, et cetera. So I went and I bought an iPhone because I figured on a new number because I was going overseas this way they have like free t-mobile has free service whatever great figure great bought an iphone started giving that number out and now i use both in the iphone i've had a note for over two years but the iphone um was breaking because they're actually garbage right well they're designed to break after two years yeah it's like inspector gadget so i have it still so i have two phones and now everyone's question is why do you have to like

i can't just live my life but what what is what what is what do you delineate each of them for that's a great question so my droid i still use for emails like it because for emails i find it to be a lot better than the iphone okay and I use it for like making calls and the businessy call email stuff the iPhone I use music Twitter Instagram pictures it's like my fun phone yeah that makes sense well the two phones thing like you're the fucking pope or something like that oh my god me and my Motorola I'm sorry Droid Max or whatever it is I didn't mean to pile on with like YYY, but I had to know. But they're old phones. I don't look fancy.

It's just nothing. I got a new Lumi. Oh, that's a long story. Look at this. The Lumi's for the iPhone. What happens when that dies? You're going to get a Lumi for this? For the Motorola?

No, I'll get a new Lumi. I'm looking at that. The only people I know who have that are you, the Kardashians, and HL, Scott. Oh, God bless. Three of the most well-lit people in the business. He takes amazing selfies. He does. We have an amazing guest.

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Just so brilliant. Beautiful titles. And he's written for Teachers, Younger, New Girl, all your favorite shows starring wonderful, cute brunettes. Sutton, Hillary. Oh my god, Hillary Clinton.

Sutton, Kate Friedman. What's her name from New Girl? Zoe. Of course. How can we forget? Guys, it's Elliot Glazer. Thank you. Thank you. I think you should by the way just point out that Matt's not having like a scary emergency. No, no, no. I'm so sorry. Yes.

A good one. It's sort of a bullshit emergency. Okay, wait. Both of Mish's phones are lit up. What's going on? Are the results in? What did the doctor say? You don't have to share. It's a girl. I did it. Yay. Oh my god. I wish that were true.

That's okay. You want a kid now? The past two minutes, I just, I can't get it out of my head. Do you want to be a great mom? Do you really think so? I absolutely think so. Of course. That's really nice. You have a wonderful mother. I mean. She's a crazy person, but yeah, I mean, she's a nut.

Yes. Like, arguably, everyone thinks she's like, the good thing is I know she'll never hear this, so that's why. Like, on my podcast, I could never go here. It's called Fresh Batch, by the way, for those listening. Fresh Batch. Thanks for the plug, Bowen. It's amazing. It's amazing.

I did plug it. Oh, did you? Yeah. I was looking at my phone. Sorry. Sorry. Anyways. Your mom. Your mom. No, but my mom is like, she's? I was looking at my phone. Sorry. Sorry. Anyways. Your mom, your mom.

No, but my mom is like, she's, everyone who meets her, I always joke that like they face Paul me into a ditch because you're like, your mom, like she's very funny and she's purposefully funny. Like she knows what's, what comedy is. She has timing. She's very, very funny unless she knows that she's on stage and then she kind of shuts down a little bit. Sure.

But she actually is like, she was like psychologically traumatic growing up. And like as a child, as her child, she was psychologically traumatic. So people think like when they meet her, they're like, oh, my God, you're so fucking lucky. Like you're a mom. And I'm like, great performer. Sure. And like overly loving to an almost asphyxiating. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like you can't breathe. But also truly like borderline abusive. But I'm just being honest. Like, you know, it is what it breathe. But also truly like borderline abusive. But I'm just being honest. It is what it is. So the helicopter thing was like, the helicopter parenting was, I'm assuming, very Jew-y.

Jew-y, but it wasn't even, that's not even, the abuse was like just, she's from Israel, she was in the Air Force, came from Holocaust survivors. Her mother probably was bipolar. You're fucked. She was an immigrant. I'm totally fucked. Israel she was in the Air Force came from Holocaust survivors but her mother probably so there was just a lot her my her aunt my great aunt committed suicide like there's a lot of shit in my family are we supposed to talk about this I don't know what this is but it's fine right people like this like poor Elliot came all the way to Brooklyn I'm like and then she you're speaking my language ma'am I felt my. I actually felt that. Jews with mental illness in the family for generations?

Ding, ding, ding, ding. You have that? Oh. Elliot, talk about it. Are you kidding? Seriously. Talk about it. Make me feel like.

I've inherited it pretty recently, but you got it. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because my sister converted. Oh. Yeah. Does that count? I mean, but I'm meeting her.

It does. I'm meeting my brother-in-law's side of the family, and they're lovely, lovely people, but there's a lot of shit going on. But I want to hear about this firsthand, primary side. Yes. I want to get back to that. From both of you. I mean, you just grow up with,

there's mental illness on both sides, and it stems from generation to generation, and manifests in different ways. I think my mom tried to learn from my grandfather, and my grandfather tried to, from my grandfather my grandfather tried to you know you know as parents do they try to change what their parents did to them and and do it you know do it better but my parents were amazing yeah you're the most loving yeah their parents my sister and i are just like kind of stunned now from a macro perspective as to how they did it so

well because they did it really well and i'm not saying that as like meaning talking about like myself myself or my sister i just mean like when you look at their approach to parenting it didn't seem very like specific or like intricate or or or like intentional it just was what it was but now we have perspective where we're like, oh, yeah, like they were like parenting our friends and like everyone else's parents were kind of fucked. Wow. And our parents, you know, I'm sure they would say we're not perfect. But like, you know, I think it's that they people just comedians but also friends who parent so well just by being around not by trying to be precious yeah not by trying to like

give too much or give too little like they're just you know like andrea rosen and john gemberling they're the most they impress me as parents by just being themselves yeah and so they're just as silly with the kids as they are as human beings um but then let me ask you this sure see because it also really depends to me on if the kids naturally were born fun funky yes funny kids or like monster demon because i have friends with kids and i i'm so paranoid that any of them listening are gonna figure it out. But including you know I have nieces who are like lovely

girls you know they live in a really small town. The point that I'm making is that sometimes kids are just born bad. Like they're born like fucked up or whatever else. And then I see how parents kind of respond to those kids. Sometimes the parents are also evil. This is just from when I grew up and knowing other kids like that but um i don't know i can't explain it like

i feel like they're lucky that their kids are like funny you know what i mean because not all kids are funny no fun no i think there's also an element of like being um what's the right word i guess like i don't want to say like woke is the wrong term, but being attuned to your kids in a way that, I don't know, I just keep thinking of parents who are so fucking annoying and so precious and their kids have to have the weirdest names and their kids have to have the weirdest pictures and their kids have to have the weirdest hobbies.

I'm reading a book called Twee. It's literally the history of Twee culture and the book is called something about the gentle revolution that rocked a generation. is it really small it's tiny but it's so funny it's like it's trace and it's not written in a positive way it's like what is the it basically you know talks about how everybody just wants to be not everybody but like there's such a generation of people who want to be like adorable Tiny! And cute and weird and precious and quirky. And it's such a real thing. It used to be

an outlier thing and now it's become the thing. The author of the book talks about how the idea is you want to not be people don't want to be drowning you in their tweeness but it's a gradient So like some people They're all twee I consider myself probably like 25% twee Okay cool

That's so brave I can't believe that But I purposely am like I'm like just like Jewish and New York enough to like not actually give into it yeah yeah you know like i don't know if i you're not i'm not tweet at all right and i think it's so yeah it's so charming because it's like there's no part of you that feels any that has ever in my opinion bit needed to like check off a box of being like cute cutesy that's

like nice i've never considered myself no like cute at all because like i like animals right but you're like i like goats i love goats and i like goats before other people i know that's what i mean thank you you're self-aware without being um yeah like precious about whatever elliot's saying it's really nice i have a question so much better about myself do you feel like well this is so unfair i was gonna ask like You should. Do you feel like, well, this is so unfair. I was going to ask, like, with your parents, do you feel like that vicious cycle of, like, crazy dysfunction in your family has stopped? Because, but, like, how the fuck could you know? No.

Because I'm asking because I'm terrified of the ways that I'm going to, like, lash out at the next generation. That's how I feel. Right? Right? I guess. Your own children, you mean? Beyond.

I'm like, my sister's about to have a niece, i'm like i can't wait to be an uncle but i'm also like what are the ways in which i'm gonna be a monster to this girl like you're not i know but like or to my kid if i have them you know you're aware of this stuff i don't think you can make great big sweeping shitty judgments that will have terrible lasting effects on your on your niece the other problem is like technology now i'm about to go somewhere here we go has changed parenting in every direction so my brother who uh again i don't think he's gonna i wish that this was just us at a bar like i wish so badly but god bless he's not gonna maybe virtually that he's not gonna listen he means well so he no but you know it's like family fine um he's a lovely guy we love each other god bless but he my oldest niece um who's now 13 but she's like

six six like she's a big girl skinny skinny but like she just looks like she's 18 already um wanted to join instagram and snapchat and so he was saying no no no of course all her friends she's in a small town yeah you know what else is there to do there's barely a dsw there i mean where do you go where do you go? Where do you go? So they, so he was coming to me being like, should she join? And I'm thinking, well, he's divorced. The mother is like, do what mother is like, live your life.

She does not give a shit. So I'm just like, honestly, let her join Instagram. Cause Snapchat to me is when girls like run away with their soccer coach. It's like Snapchat, you know, she can join Instagram. And then she like immediately. So she joined and he like blamed me, which really pissed me off. run away with their soccer coach it's like yeah snapchat you know she can join instagram and then she like immediately so she joined and he like blamed me which really pissed me off like michelle said you could and i'm thinking i see her once a year yeah we barely talk um which makes me sound bad but it's the way it is um i don't take propeller planes so it's like i never see him i

won't get on a plane with them where do they live where do they live like in the panhandle oh so you have to take like a single aisle plane like why do? Like in the panhandle. Oh, so you have to take a propeller plane. So I won't take a single aisle plane. Why do they live in the panhandle? That's a question for the ages that I don't ever know. How do you get there? Literally, you hand car from Alabama. It's truly horrible. Oh, wow. So anyway, all she has is Instagram.

And then, of course, she immediately follows me on Instagram and is liking all my pics. And now that I'm the least porny person, I'm in a turtleneck and ankle... But you see her for Zion. My boots go all the way into a strapless jumpsuit.

I just am like, I don't want her to see me on Instagram. That wasn't part of the deal. You don't have to check yourself. Everything comes back to me. The point is, that's my fault. Also, the idea that kids are just like... I don't think you can just hide to me the point is no i love it well also the idea that like kids are just like kids are just like i don't think you i don't think you can just hide the realities of instagram and snapchat from children now like dick pics i think that's like so mainstream with children which i couldn't

ever even have imagined as a kid terrible though but terrible, though. But it's, yeah, that's my question, though. Is that terrible? Is it, not positive, but, like, is it, does it, I don't know, is it healthy that they're, like, aware of this and have a language for it early on, or is it really fucked? I don't know. Because, okay, because my fear is, if I, if my approach is, like, yeah, let them, like, go on Instagram and, like, look at, like, be exposed to the real world,

I don't want to end up with a kid who's, like, the girl from Big Little Lies who like has impeccable music taste knows like it's like a Sonos whiz talk about twee talk about that kid right like I mean then it's like you're setting them up for being the fucking twee nightmare that like we don't want them to be but don't you think how old are you 27 okay I'm older than me yeah that's really funny older than michelle i'm 34 and i specifically like i was saying this at my show the other night that like i feel like i grew up with with a culture of like still that like gross like really white trash um anarchist like like faux spencer's gifts anarchist yeah yeah culture of like

quote-unquote protest music but like the you know with the wind knocked out of it like rock and fucking no I mean you know like trash like trash trash like blue light poster trap yeah biscuit like the even M&Ms his people are like oh I'm an M and I'm like remember when he was like the I eminem's his you know people are like oh eminem and i'm like remember when he was like i'm the fucking slim i'm slim shady and it's like ew and it was all it was all trash and was all meant to be like fuck you mom fuck you dad i mean i loved eminem so i'm not even gonna pretend i mean i'm not gonna sit here and be like i never liked eminem like i liked him too, but I recognized that before he was quote-unquote artistic,

ate my Eminem. He was just like a dickhead white guy. A dicky white dude. But how does that relate back to dick pics? What I mean is, back then, it was a thing to be like a bad kid. Bad kids was a thing.

That's every generation of kids. No, bad kids was a thing. Like, kids, you know, that movie Kids. That's every generation of kids. No, but see, I don't think that's happening now. I think that because of twee culture and because parents, or at least, I guess, good parents, have to have these talks with kids early on about sex because they're getting dick pics, which is insane. Sure, sure, sure.

I feel like that has been a real sea change where kids instead of kids now saying like i hate my parents you know i'm gonna go into my room and listen to music and play it loud and fuck my parents i think now it's become that generation of my parents are my best friends you know what i mean like that you don't think so no oh really i don't maybe i don't know maybe in the liberal enclaves of New York and Los Angeles. Yeah, sure. But there's certain monster babies in middle America.

But I guarantee you that is not in America like that. So then what are they listening to? What is their shutdown? Their release. Yeah. I mean, I'm honestly like, if rock and roll isn't even really a thing anymore outside of like the- Like Logan Paul. I feel like, I don't know what I'm even saying.

I'm literally just saying words. Who's that? I don't know. He's a Vine star. Logan Paul's a Vine star no but he's like a real piece of fucking shit sure and girls especially like love him and he's just like he like the neighbors

hate him I mean am I right he's the guy that everyone I'm turning to our can I say his name I mean everyone hates him Will Smith Will Smith is here folks and that is not right I will we call him on our show we call him hot engineer well because all the males We objectify all the male producers Thank you

A little later I want you to do the monologue From Six Degrees of Separation If you don't mind No thanks It would really make my night Such a good voice Will

Later on Will might regale us with a story I have a good one for us Okay Really We'll get Wait tell us now Is that okay

Wait no no Were you going to finish the point No I guess not No wait Michelle Don't derail Michelle No really No it's fine Will tell us

Okay so So as you all now know My name is Will Smith no I guess not no let's listen to Will don't derail Michelle no really no it's fine we'll tell us okay so so as you all now know my name is Will Smith and something very strange happened to me recently where the famous Will Smith who is making a new movie for Netflix called Bright

Bright yeah so he gets on the social media it's a buddy cop film where his cop his buddy is a fairy he's an orc an orc

yeah it's kind of like Bad Boys meets like Dungeons and Dragons races or something it's a Netflix movie yeah it'sflix movie yeah that's dark to me wow wow hey but they spent 90 million dollars in this movie so it wasn't 90 million so it wasn't exactly dark it was a well right how are we not getting this netflix money every day i ask well there's more money where that came from yeah so this shit gets really weird uh so he gets on the social medias and says will smith will smith the famous one he gets on the social medias and says hey guys

i'm doing this new movie for netflix and they want me to do all this promotional material and it's too much stuff and i can't handle it all so i need everyone whose name is will smith to get in touch with us below and i'm like it's on because my entire life literally my entire life has been a series of bad will smith jokes so i uh i email them or i get in touch on twitter and um they ask me to send them an email netflix does so i email them we go back and forth a couple of times and they say hey send us a short video with some fun facts about yourself so i do and i challenged the famous will smith to a duel in the video because you know this all these bad jokes i have to defend my honor there can be only one. You would kill him. I mean, I don't know if I would actually kill him.

You know, you might like do the honorable gentleman thing and shoot into the air or whatever. Anyway. Can I just interrupt by saying you really are going somewhere with this and I'm respecting it. I'm excited. This is a good story. I mean, this is one of the weirdest things

that's ever happened to me. I've never met you and it's not what I was expecting. I'm just gonna say, right? Will always speaks with intention unlike unlike us yes unlike us we just ramble every word is a marble carved statue yes is a cobblestone somewhere yes okay oh my god they they get back to me after i send the video in and they say hey we really like that and we want to talk to you more about it but uh you need to sign this release form so I signed the release big mistake it wasn't really because they invited me to the premiere of Brighton

LA and they flew me out and put me up for the premiere they said you're going to be walking down the red carpet with many other Will Smiths including the famous Will Smith this turned out to be like 30 to 50 Will Smiths plus the famous one.

Oh, my God. All of us staying in the same hotel and all of us going to the same event. And it was totally bizarre. That's nuts. That's like funny. It was hilarious. What was this? This was like a few days ago.

What? Yeah. This is a hot breaking press story. Hot story. My picture was on Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, it was pretty weird. Wait, did you meet Will? I did.

I got to shake his hand, but there were so many of us and i didn't get to talk to him and then he ran off and then they put all the will smiths in a separate theater for the premiere yes they did they put us in a separate theater wow and the after party which is funny because they had at first like shoehorned us into the vip after party area when we were getting ready to like go out and you know meet famous will smith Will Smith on the red carpet. And they shepherded us into the VIP red carpet area, or VIP party area. And afterward, the after party, we didn't even go to that one. They had a separate one for all of the Will Smiths and guests.

Wow, that's fucked up. Which to me was infuriating because I am an audio engineer and I wanted to talk to people from Netflix about all their original content, audio for post, all this kind of stuff. You know what it says to me? They did not run criminal background checks

on all the Will Smiths, and they couldn't risk it. That was too expensive. They're like, we're just doing another movie. Where would you rank yourself in the attractiveness of the Will Smiths invited? Well, that depends on my self-worth on any given day. Will's very attractive.

Well, that's why I'm asking. Otherwise, I'd be mean. Bowen can rank me in relation to any other Will Smith. I don't know what the other Will Smiths look like, but I'd say you're up there. Can you pull up a picture of the Will Smiths? I can pull up the picture. Stand by.

I actually am so curious. I met Will Smith once many, many moons ago. My very first job out of, only about two years ago, Bowen. My first job out of college. Many moons. Many moons. Oh, wait. Here they are.

Oh, my God. There's too many of them. Wow. Yeah, there were a lot of us. Mostly white. This looks like a frat Like a disgusting frat Oh my god They told us cocktail attire

So everyone wore some Tacky suit Mine wasn't that tacky I have to tell you something Everyone 90% of these ones are True monsters True

I don't see Were you here? I'm on the right side Not looking at the camera Is this you? Yeah Oh you look very handsome Fucking rock and roll

Honestly I'm Like I'm not hitting on you the camera. Is this you? Yeah. Oh, you look very handsome. Thank you. Rock and roll. Honestly, I'm not hitting on you. Top three hottest Will Smiths in this picture. I really mean that. But Will, I feel like it was all such a transparent marketing ploy moment thing. But also, so masturbatory, A. I like it. B, why this movie?

Why did Will Smith choose this movie to do this? I don't know. I mean, this must have been on his mind for a long time. I mean, how many of us can there be? Thousands, right? I'm going to change my name to Jada Pinkett Smith for when she does it. Now, funny you mention it. There was another Will Smith from New York who is the

he was the manager for the Yankees little or the Yankees minor league team who had a wife named Jada. That's crazy. That is nuts. Yeah, they were like total New Jersey, New York locals. I love that. What is the deal with those two? Will and Jada?

Yeah. It's called David Miscavige. Find out. Wait, tell us about this. Tell us about your thing. So I heard they escaped Scientology, by the way, but you go. All right. I don't know if anyone really does, but I guess yeah.

Well, I mean We'll get to their deal In a minute Basically I was working The Sci-Fi Channel Planning for people To be impressed Wow

My first job out of college Also first job I ever got Fired from About two months later But my last For doing nothing Like literally But also

Like I didn't do anything wrong But I also didn't do anything Because no one taught me What to do And then I was literally Like William Shatner would call And I would be like I don't know how to help you at all I'm so sorry and they were like you need to go but anyways I did get

a free trip to LA out of it and we were staying at the Ritz Carlton in Pasadena which now is the Langham and there was I think Sugar Ray was getting married like the weekend it was for the TCA whatever it is and and so he was the best man. And he was in a full Will Smith. Will Smith was the best man to shh. Yes, after Ali. Oh, Sugar Ray. We both thought Mark McGrath, right? But Mark McGrath. No, no, no.

Oh, Sugar Ray. Sugar Ray. I got so. I was like, wait a minute. I am really laughing. Yeah, Sugar Ray. And there were no condoms. And everybody was like, we want condoms.

Oh, my God. No, so he was walking up the steps. And I was with all these girls that I worked with. And he was gorge i have to say i mean he is gorgeous like he's tall and he's well fucking beautiful beautiful and um and he went so charming he went good morning good morning to all of us oh wow and literally we stood there not one of us said a word yeah we didn't say anything i've never had that happen and he kept walking and then we fully it was like in love actually when laura linney makes out with a model we were like stomping her feet and then i called my mom right later and i was like mommy mel smith and like we didn't say and you know i was like oh my god it was so great and then we didn't say anything because we were so like terrified yeah and she went oh so what he he

shits like you he shits like you. He shits like you. So what? Oh, my God. She can't impress her. Can I finish this? Please do. And that's. Oh, no. But that's that Floridian mom.

And can I say Jewish? Israeli mom. Oh, it's terrifying. Speaking. No, it's great. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that.

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no, I mean, I think Jada really does strike me as having a very butch vibe. I was going to say butch. She's a mask. Mask for mask. Have you seen her grunge band? Oh, are you kidding?

What's it called? I don't even know the name. Alana's, my sister loves it um um they were on jay leno or something alana has showed me the video it is called like passing wait are we talking i'm gonna say without passing judgment on this family and by the way i'm gonna say something hardcore band yes i saw them at oz fest in like 2000 what are they called what are they called i saw them and I didn't know who they were. I was just like, this is... Jada's white. Jada's white. She went to Ozzfest? No, she was

a white woman. It was literally a punk rock band. The video of her on Jay Leno, it's nuts. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Are you looking up a name? Yeah, I'm looking it up. It's like Passing Strange or something or like... It's a crazy name. Okay, so what are we trying to get at right now? Is that maybe she's queer?

Wicked Wisdom. That's what it's called. Wicked Wisdom. Better than Passing Strange. I saw them at total random at OzFest 05 when I was in high school. I just was there and they were playing at noon or something in the second stage. This is kind of cool. Wicked Wisdom.

I have to say this. Say what you will about Jada. Two things. She kills in a wicked wisdom i mean she gives it i will just tell you if you think you know jada pinkett i know you don't know her the real jada pinkett is the lead singer of wicked wisdom okay yes she is that is actually yes michelle i think we've stumbled on a rule and that's rule number 24 of culture which is the real jada pinkett smith is the lead singer of wicked wisdom let's say it together the real Jada Pinkett Smith is the lead singer of Wicked Wisdom. Let's say it together.

The real Jada Pinkett Smith is the lead singer of Wicked Wisdom. That's factual. Yeah, there's like Jada Pinkett Smith from like a different world. There's Jada Pinkett Smith from Set It Off. Yeah, Set It Off. With Queen Latifah. With Queen Latifah.

Hilarious. I think there was a reference to Set It Off in Girls Trip. Was it buried in Queen Trip. There was. I remember it. Was it buried in Queen Latifah's, the danishes that they were hot gluing to the front of her head? Wait, what was it?

It was the movie. Queen Latifah's wardrobe and hair in Girls Trip is something that I need to dissect. They were kinetic sculptures. They were like, what is going on here? It was, but never referenced. She was in full mod cloth, boogie woogie bugle boy. No. Mod cloth, boogie woogie bugle boy like 1950s i was like what the fuck and queen latifah like god bless by the way gorgeous yeah she's pretty well i will say this that i'm a very

tall girl i'm six foot one and every time i see people who are like who i think are my size and then i meet them in person and they're like half my, half my size. It's happened twice. Khloe Kardashian and Queen Latifah. Both much shorter than you think they are. Right. But Queen Latifah, she's a curvy gal, right? They do her no favors. They're pleading in the front

with the skirts, constant khakis, and then they're putting these fucking danishes on her head. Right, right, right. And I'm like, how can I take this movie seriously when she looks like that?

Yes, I have to agree with you. I think the movie is, I think Tiffany Haddish sort of lives in a world outside the movie. She's sort of, really? Oh, I think she's so. She was the star. I feel like she's the star of the movie. I thought she was so captivatingly funny. Can I tell you?

But the movie is. Well, it's not. It's okay. I mean, it's fun but i mean it's not a you know like i was there's a lot of like goofy music in it that bumped me you know that those like goofy music sequences where i'm like the airport scenes were shot at a marriott like and really the exterior shots of jada's house were like blurry stock photos and i was like you guys wait i agree i love this movie.

I'm happy to support this, but also like, let's get it together. It looked, a lot of it looked very cheap. And I was surprised because, you know, I mean, just, it was a really fun movie, but I was like, that looks so fake. And I've been saying this since the summer, and it's literally not just because you're here,

and if Matt were here, he could vouch for this. I was saying all summer, and since I watched it, I was like, God, Rough Night is like, and not to like draw comparisons, but like Rough Night is like, to me, like a perfect film because I saw it and I was like, this is so, this is exactly my sense of humor and like good on a movie for like getting that and like capturing that. But then I saw Girl Strip and I was like, and people started like shitting on Rough Night during saw Girls Trip and I was like and people started like shitting on Rough Night during the reviews

and I was like wait this isn't I know it was like the 40 year old version Wedding Crashers thing where they came out almost at the same time and they were similar

because they had either all guys or all women and then comparisons were drawn even though they're completely separate movies made in separate universes yes

I went with Steven who you know you guys used to be CrossFit friends which really made me happy that like made me feel good when you guys were to be CrossFit friends which really made me happy that like made me feel good when you guys were like in CrossFit

I think we both quit CrossFit yes when we had to get shoulder surgery right I've never worked out okay so oh sorry keep going

no we went through a whole like family circus dashes through the city to get tickets to fucking girls trip yeah because first we went to the 42nd street theater

which truly is now just turned into a bed bug holding a projector like on a wall it's not even a theater it's nasty we left I literally every scene

I would never no we threw a fit that's the theater Matt and I saw Girls Trip out but yeah keep going oh my god first of all

to get to the theater it's like LOL like ask a wise man on top of a mountain it's insane like 1500 escalators I mean it's a nightmare

it is crazy so then we went to we went to Chelsea because I was like, oh, this has been much funnier. I was like, you know, I love a gay audience. And then it was like half empty.

Of course it was half empty. But I will say that the best laugh, I'm not going to comment on how much I laughed. I will say this. I saw Tiffany Haddish do stand-up years ago. To this day,

one of the funniest live things in my life really I've ever seen. She lit up the fucking room. Like in a way that only maybe Chris Rock I've seen do like where it's like the whole place she is electric

I mean she really is I agree and her stories on any talk show I could listen to for hours and hours that being said the funniest part of

fucking girls trip is and the part Stephen and I were like watching like alright and then there was a part at the end when Regina Hall is on stage

like giving her speech to the podium and they all run in. And the camera cuts. It's Queen, full almond croissant, who is Tiffany, and Jada. And I actually thought Jada was good in it because she was very natural. She was great. The other two are dry as a fucking bone, including Queen. Oh my god.

And Jada is sweaty as though literally someone dunked her in a fucking ball pool. I know. She is, but it's not a joke. It's like not meant to be funny. Right, right. And they mentioned it on the way over.

Like they, on that, when they're like trying to get there and they're stuck in the cab, there's something, I remember them talking something about sweating

but like, then why is it just Jada? Well, every time that, when you watch the movie if you're listening, every time they cut to Jada, we literally were screaming with laughter.

I thought Regina Hall was very funny. She was great. Yeah, I like her. And Matt will maintain that Regina Hall deserves to be as big as Sandra Bullock. And she should. Wow. She's amazing. I think she's great.

Every movie she's been in. I like that. I like her a lot. Yeah. And she's sort of gotten the shaft. She's gotten the shaft. Here's the thing about Regina King, also one of the funniest. And Regina King. One of the funniest of all time. I love her a lot Yeah And she's sort of Gotten the shaft She's gotten the shaft Here's the thing about Regina King Also one of the funniest

Of all time I love her But also dramatic I mean So good dramatic stuff Here's the thing 227 I know

The cast in Girl Strip Is like A plus Can I Can I make a Please go I think Michelle's Gonna agree with me on this

Oh my god I'm so nervous I think Queen Latifah Is overrated Here we go Here we go Let here we go. My every pain in my neck. My blower jaw just got in an Uber and went home. Let's support this.

Oh my god. I love that she sort of transcended what she was. Already sort of like a groundbreaking hip hop rapper. MC, yeah. Truly. was right you know already sort of like a groundbreaking hip-hop you know a rapper truly and like i nobody knows or cares about this movie but i love the movie living out loud from 1995 that was like her first acting job where she plays like a gay jazz singer and she's charming in it oh my god but i but subsequently a lot of times i'm like she's not there's not she's not there's not much happening. And I thought she was funny in Girls Trip, but I feel, and this is just my opinion, but I feel like she's very guarded.

And for someone who's so successful as an actress, I never really, I feel like she's just being Queen Latifah. I agree. I don't think she's a great actress. I think that she's stiff. I guess that's? I agree. I don't think she's a great actress. I think that she's stiff. I guess that's what I mean. I will say, however, that just this weekend I did a head-to-toe cleaning of my apartment

and while doing that I watched I'm going to tell you now because I always watch musicals. What was on Netflix? Chicago. I paid for Dreamgirls and then I watched Chicago streaming. She's very good in Chicago. She really is good in it. She actually made me laugh in Girls Trip. She's excellent in Chicago. She really is good in it. And I was saying,

she actually made me laugh in Girls Trip. She did. I mean, and I'm saying I'm surprised that she made me laugh. Her storyline was just, I'm poor. I'm poor,

I'm a writer. And then she's like working a gawker in that boogie-woogie shit. I literally was like, It makes no sense. Or no, it was like media takeout

or something. It was just, we should write a movie. Listen, are we recording? Turn it off. Stop recording. We should write a movie listen are we recording guys turn it off stop recording we should write a movie listen it's about us let me finish it's called like who are they i i i i yeah i just i i like her but i'm also like i guess here's what i'm saying go on she slept walk through but yeah she what she's like been sleepwalking right that's what i mean

and that's exactly what i mean there's no fire within the queen yes she has a talk show kind of baffled me because still on no i don't know no but she didn't she have two talk shows she was can i tell you i went to a taping of her talk show this is really funny when i was uh i believe in college or right after i went to taping of the queen latifah show because we got the first one yeah down in chelsea where w now. Yeah, early aughts. And we were so late and we had to ride in the elevator with her dad, rest in peace, her poor father, Mr. Owens.

And he was so nice. He introduced himself to us. It was me and like four white people. And the second we got there, they literally like fell to their knees in happiness like with arms outstretched like thank you. And then they spread us around this mostly ethnic audience yeah yeah yeah

and then afterwards they pulled us aside to be like please come back bring your friends wait why you? because we were the only white people there

oh I mean I will say something reversed to scrims but opposite fine we were treated like kings and queens of course

but she had two talk shows did she have a second one? she had a second one like late tens and teens but for someone who never who has not publicly come out especially in the land of like Ellen right

it's like bizarre why put yourself on display like day after day that's exactly what I mean because you know why people she's like a personality America right so yeah she's gonna have a talk show she's like

trying to be a mogul that's what people think don't you get it think about who has talk shows right steve harvey yeah so you think you know steve harvey steve harvey's probably i love steve harvey he would hate me oh you think he'd like me he probably would love me actually let me leave that in he would love me i feel like he's so secretly homophobic. Absolutely. But that's what I'm saying. He's not a good person. I think he's funny, but... I think he's funny, too. I also think that it's an act to the nth degree of him liking kids and shit. It's like, come on.

But it's so good, though. I think he's fucking hilarious. He hates Asian people, though. He truly hates them. But don't you think that unlike Steve Harvey, who couldn't... Even if you wouldn't describe him as accessible, he's still bombastic enough. His personality is loud.

He's more dynamic than Queen Latifah. I'm like, who are you? But she was like a cover girl. I mean, this fucking girl has... I know. She's famous. That's it. She has just transcended from being just a rapper.

Right. And she became a mogul. I mean, really. Do you find her charming? Personally, I did not think she was a good talk show host i mean she i never watched it except for literally the one but when you say stiff and i agree and i say stiff i'm like so what is america is there like white guilt regarding her or because she was great excuse me so many people get talk shows who have no business i mean right

so many what do you think of bethany's talk show? Well, I was on it. Oh, what? When? Was it a good experience? I was on with Stassi. Oh, wow. From Vandy PR's, Vanderpump Rules. She was really nice, actually. Oh, good.

Bethany, I will say this about Bethany. I like her on Housewives. She looks, first of all, fantastic. I mean, you see her these days on Shark Tank. I'm like, whatever they did did whatever mallets they took they should bronze them and i need to know who did it because i wanted head to toe i mean really bronze the mallets bronze the mallets will i ever work again after this podcast i can't decide um it was fine yeah but there's really here's a great example of someone who listen listen. I have one, but you go.

I'm in no place professionally to put anyone down. Let's put it that way. But I will say this. I really like Bethany. I think she's great. But like she to me is someone who has her whole personality is that she's closed off. Yeah. That is like she's a New York.

Yes. Closed off woman. And I've met her a million times. She's fine. I have no beef with Bethany. Sure. I may stay that way forever. times she's fine I have no beef with Bethany I've got to stay that way forever but she's not like a warm person it's not how

she's and I actually don't think that warm people I'm speaking of myself can be successful it can be that bloodthirsty when it comes to success and money and stuff like that because it's like you have to be fucking cold to make it that far for someone like that

like you're not gonna she's not she's not the gregarious talk show host but like anderson cooper is another example is someone who i love yeah great newscaster has a great thing going with uh andy cohen but like is not a warm person like he's good at he's amazing talk show doesn't need a talk show it's not accessible in that way yes you're rich as fuck you're a child of socialites yep yep i i no one i don't think anybody wants to spend an afternoon with you none of those were let's put it this way like none of them lasted because i think that the truth is there's no warmth anymore and including even i hate to say i think with ellen too like i think ellen is like a programmed now yeah i mean i a brilliant woman. Sure. Inspirational. I mean, truly like,

you know, what do you, how would you even describe her? Beyond. Yeah. But, I mean, I never watched her show,

to be fair, but when I catch parts of it, it just seems like, so rote. Well, I'm like, ugh. You know who has

no business hosting a talk show, but yet still does, and I guess you could consider her to be warm, is Rachel Ray. Like, why is she still, I i mean i guess she's a mogul she has an empire but like i can i don't say 10 minute meal and she loves dogs and i say god

i have never wanted to watch i've never wanted to watch that show in a in even a campy way i not because i dislike her but because i just i have no connection or interest in her brand right and i'm like so i feel i, and this is a real question. Are people watching her like microwave stuff? They're watching her. Is she cooking or like just like I'm making stuff in toasters? She's pushing chicken cutlets on a fucking frying pan around and people applaud. People applaud.

Here's another question. Does anybody, truly, does anybody ever watch morning television and go, I'm going to cook that? I'm going to put down, I'm going to take down that recipe? They do? You think people do? I think, can I be honest? Sure. I have friends who all, including my parents or my mom, they use Rachel Ray's recipes. Wow.

They go online, they find them. She apparently has good, fast recipes. Okay, sure. I think people like that. But what I was going to say, and I speak from experience in a way, is that I think we're assuming that this business is like where warm, true talent really goes far. And it's like the truth is with things like talk shows. I mean, it's a business. It's a show business.

And so. And a talk show is crazy. Yeah. They don't give a fuck. It's all politics. It's all this. It's all that. So whatever. I'm like, I'm so bitter. No, I'm kidding. I fuck. It's all politics. It's all this. It's all that. So whatever.

I'm so bitter. No, I'm kidding. I'm so curious. I'm going to leave that in. No, go on. I feel like that's where you just belong. That's nice of you to say that. Take this in the best way possible.

You would do it again. No, it's all I want to do. Everybody in comedy, the main consensus is that where's Michelle's talk show? Right. That's very nice to hear. It's true. I mean that. It's true. Rule number 70 of culture,'s michelle's talk show michelle say it with me that's number 70 of culture where's michelle's talk show can i bring up the view yeah when this so i started watching the view again when michelle was on because i was like oh my god

this is so exciting meant the world to me by the way like when you were tweeting me, I was like, because Ellen and I used to work together. You guys go way back. Technically, I'm going to say I hired you. And I really brought you. I was like, you're the number one choice. It was my dream job. Dream job. And it was such a stupid job at Best Recover.

So silly. For a show that wasn't on the air anymore. Yeah, we did nothing. But for a show that I watched in high school. Me too. I mean, we all did. Me too. Me too.

So go on. But i started watching it when michelle was on and michelle was hilarious on it so good but and and correct me if i'm wrong but i couldn't believe that like the audience like wouldn't forget about the audience they didn't pick up your jokes and you weren't and it wasn't like you weren't doing like super um absurdist weird references it was like you being funny and like i think you know i don't want to speak for you but it felt like you were trying to really like be in the vibe and like even talk politics and stuff but my feeling is um while you're on the view and also since you're since you've not been on the view that is the i watch it because it it because it is such a weird show

because I look at it as a show where they're trying to fit in the rubric of morning TV, which is a very specific and weird animal. And with Whoopi at the helm and Joy, who's a sort of firecracker liberal Italian from Brooklyn, and Whoopi who can't read the the teleprompter it's a mess and i'm like what what is going on because they're trying to do this like morning talk show thing or you know fit into the morning vibe and like whoopi literally seems to

not be able to read the teleprompter and gets angry at the producers when they tell her to rap which makes it all is it's a it's a bizarre show but i think you're being typical i will just piggyback by saying that i fucking love whoopi so much and she is literally the best person i've ever met oh my god no i have to always say that because you know and i'll say i i won't bring up anyone else but i will say that whoopi is like let me add that i met her because she did a little thing on broad city oh yeah she was literally the kindest sweetest soul the and which is why you can tell that like on that show when somebody usually like an actor or celebrity is speaking to her and speaking speaking so highly of her she smiles in a way that's like okay that's the real woman and that's why she's so beloved

because she's such a kind soul she's the best like truly from day one job which is why i'm like what it's that's the that's the sort of the... Disparity. Schism, is that the right word? I'm not going to say she hates the job. Schism is like a separation? Listen, I feel like I never read about it anymore, which is a blessing for me because this way it's like... Out of sight, out of mind. Exactly. It's fine.

I mean, whatever. God bless. A highlight of my career, certainly. Of course. That being said, I know that there's a highlight of my career certainly of course um that being said i know that you know there's a lot of stuff what i always say about that job was like the second the cameras were on it was like the fucking best job like i was like i'm so lucky i love it and i actually felt like the audience for the most part was on my side like i actually didn't feel like they came especially

well i will say this like there are a ton of gay guys to watch the view yeah I mean it is insane and I don't believe my opinion that the producers know I don't think that gay men are like in the um Nielsen ratings or anything so they're sort of not really catered to in that show right uh that being that makes sense right like sure so they're they're aiming for like the moms and whatever else which of course makes sense yep um? Absolutely. So they're aiming for the moms and whatever else, which of course makes sense. But yeah, it's a mess. Not always. I was going to say, that's the reason that I find it. I watch it sort of like an art project.

Yeah. Because what you're saying is they're trying to reach moms and moms in middle America. However, the show is anchored by two, I mean, Whoopi is an eccentric New York comedian performance artist. Joy is hilarious, but her own thing. And then so to try to, it's like trying to put a square into a circle. I mean, I can't comment on the chefs that put the recipe together. And that's why I watch it like an art project because it feels like they're trying to do

a morning talk show with very almost eccentric New York personalities. Well, really only two. And then they have two, but they keep mixing the other. I mean, when I was brought on, it was basically they were trying to- By the way, this show was about Elliot. I came to technically co-host, and now I feel like it's about me. I want to talk about the view. No, but honestly, I know.

That's why I love Elliot. I love when Elliot brings it up secretly. I'm like, what? I couldn't. All right. No, I mean, imagine that I get hired, and they were like, we're going to make it, because the producers who hired me were like, we're going to make it this pop culture. We want it to be more pop culture.

Right. Which, by the way, of course, with everything going on politically, it would have to be political no matter what. Because politics and pop culture are one and the same at the moment. So it's like converged. But they were like, yeah, we want to make it funny, pop culture. And I was like, great. So they hired me and Raven Simone.

Now, Raven and I were like tight from the beginning. She seems amazing. Hilarious. I mean, truly very funny and kind and great. And then that producer got fired. Right. And it was like almost before my first day. It was like already like I was scrapping, like fighting to stay, you know.

And of course, we know how that ended. Were you there during the Trump election? Oh, yeah. Throughout the whole election. Oh, boy. And then they brought Joy back. And like, you know, the thing with Joy is like she's very funny. She comes in with like premedmeditated, ready to go.

She's quick on her feet, but she's very broad. And I then had to kind of slip my stuff in through the mail slot, not to compete with her, but also to get my point across. So that was like a bad way. You were forced into that corner, though, as like a survival instinct to like, okay, well, let me just like, just let this fly under the radar. Well, I did my thing, too.

I mean, I didn't, obviously, I was there to be myself. And that's what I tried to do. You know what I mean? So, you know, I did as much as I could. And I knew that, I had a feeling that the writing was on the wall, literally from day one.

Yeah. After the producer left. I just had a vibe. Well, that's that show. Sure. When I had to like write my like goodbye message, I called myself a one seasoner because that was what it is. Like you go for one season.

It's like, you know, junior college and then you go. It's just very bizarre. It's a very bizarre. It's a bizarre show. And even like, like I have no interest in the talk. And I think it's for a specific reason. It's because that show is like it's smooth

it's like a smooth and like a well oiled machine and it's I'm like it's boring to me because the view is just it's weird it's a weird hour of television I will say like look I I think back it's funny because like it was just the craziest

obviously craziest thing. And it led to so many other things still leading to other things. And for me, I called it talk show bootcamp because it was like, for someone who really has always wanted to be a talk show host, you know, it sounds so dorky, but it's really been like childhood dream, comedy talk show, never SNL. People are like, why don't you try it for SNL? I'm like, that wasn't my childhood dream.

Like, why would I go for that? But that being said, like, you couldn't pick a better show to like sharpen the knives on than the view how early did you have to get there every day not that bad like seven it wasn't too bad it's earlier than 30 guests no not that bad and then you know the whole they would like dip me in paint right and like push me out put me in like a terrible i used to call them the caitlin jenner dresses because they was like, oh my god, let's not even get into the fucking wardrobe there because I was a whole other thing. Wait, this is like my

I can't write a book anymore. Do you like Meghan McCain? Never met her. I don't watch the show. I can't because it's like too close. And listen, if you don't think, of course, they want people to leave bitter. They do everything within their power to push people out feeling like shit.

I'm not the only person that done that, too. I did not go to Variety and give an interview because I was raised in a home and I was raised as a lady. So I didn't want to go spilling secrets right after because I was grateful for the opportunity. But that being said, they really want you to leave and just block everyone's number. It's crazy. And not the people on camera I'm talking about, by the way. Like no one who you would know. I'm talking about behind the scenes people.

They don't give a fuck. They're like, goodbye. Pack it up. I was like, okay. Well, I still remember there was like a Vanity Fair piece. Oh my God, yeah. That was crazy. And it was like, oof.

They just, they just, I mean, they painted the picture of like Rosie and Whoopi. I'm also friends with Susie Essman, who's like best friends with Joy. So I also have another. Susie is hilarious. Susie is a living she's a deity in my life. She's the funniest.

What does she say? Well tell me everything obviously. Well I can't tell you. We should talk about it after. Yeah yeah yeah. But she is the greatest Susie. She's the greatest. They had a show together joining Susie right? Yes. TLC or something? But the funniest thing is because she plays my mom on Broad City and she you know she's playing a pretty tough you know doing the sort of suzy

thing she's so good i mean she's so good one of the funniest of all time of all time um but what's just a funny little thing about suzy is that the as soon as she started playing my mom on the show my mom in real life said i was like mom, Mom, I swear, I was like, Mom, do you like Susie's impression of you? And my mom said, She's not playing me. She never stops talking. But that just sounds like Susie.

I know. That's hilarious. She never, I'm like, You should cast Joy on Broad City. Are you kidding? Why don't you?

She'll do it in a minute. Please. I'd love to. Oh my God, Joy would, are you kidding me? She would be fucking thrilled. Oh my God. I'd love to. Oh, my God. Are you kidding me? She would be fucking thrilled. By the way, I'm like putting words in her mouth.

I assume, I imagine. I mean, it's like the most beloved show. Oh, God. She would do it in a heartbeat. I'd love to. I'd enjoy doing it. God, Susie was in an episode of SVU that I saw recently. And she was amazing.

You know what's great about Susie is that she plays these like ball-busting Jewish women. And in real life, yes, she's very bold and very of course outspoken but she's really sweet yeah of course really really really thoughtful and so it's just so funny to watch her on like Curb where she's just she's just ruthless so funny ruthless what do you think of this last season of Curb I'm so weirded out by it another i you know i love larry oh sure love like i think he's attractive met him through rosie perez god bless when they're in there oh rosie not to name drop my ex-view co-host gotta give rosie p a shout out she was the best um and he shined a light from within because he eats very healthily he looked truly like a little glowworm yeah so

shine like yeah not shiny like lit yeah he's so nice soft skin i was like what is his daughter is also really pretty and also really funny on on instagram i bet she's dating um oh pete davidson oh really yeah i like that yeah family's filthy rich though but he doesn't turn on he doesn't come off to me that way. That's good, that's good. I mean, I don't, like, you lived in L.A. sort of on and off, and, like, to me, that was the first show where I was like, oh, this is not, like, L.A., it was the first time that L.A. appealed to me,

but also it's because, yeah, he's living, like, a Westwood, you know, Westwood, like, Spanish colonial mansion life. And, like, a retiree. Like, he's always at lunch. Like, he goes to Zancus, you know, Westwood, like Spanish colonial mansion life. And like a retiree. Like he's always at lunch. Like he goes to Zanku's, you know. Exactly. And that was. He goes to Zanku's on the show?

Yeah, there's a whole episode about it. Is that supposed to be Zankow? Yeah. It is? Hello. It's a Palestinian chicken episode. Yes. But that's literally supposed to be Zankow.

Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. You pronounce it Zankow. I say Zanku. Oh, I say Zankow. I see Zanky. Zankou yes oh I didn't know that you pronounce it Zankou is it Zankou or Zankou oh I say Zankou I'm just I say Zanky Zanky

do you like it I love that place no you know where I used to go Ro Ro's Chicken because I I've never been to Zankou's you know what the best food is though wait we should go

because I'm coming to LA tell me Carousel Carousel no I'm about to burn every mother where's Carousel the Armenian restaurant Carousel in Los Angeles

there's two one in Glendale and then of course where they all it's where all your Ubers were born and then they're all made there

all the Camrys and Priuses but then there's one on Hollywood Boulevard in like Thai town oh cute it literally

it's called carousel chicken or it's just just carousel they have a labneh there I will tell you one funny story. I was living with an actress when I first moved to LA, and I went and I brought Carousel a whole tray's worth for the week, because I love to eat, Will Smith.

And I took it home, and I put it in the fridge, and I came the next day, the whole thing was gone. She came downstairs. She was like, Norbitting down the steps. No. Because there was no food in the house, and she was like, you can't bring that food in. I ate all of it. And I was like Norbitting down the steps No Because like There was like No food in the house And she was like You can't bring that food in

Like I ate all of it And I was like Girl I've got an eating D But like not like Girl Wait Bowen have you lived in LA at all

Never Would you But I love it And this is my favorite Quote about LA No I would This is my favorite

Quote about LA Our friend Jamie Salka Says Everyone loves LA and then I said well what about people who hate it and he said they just don't know that they love it yet that's a mistake when I moved there everyone said to me give it two years then they said

four it takes four years I'm like what is this like five years and then I moved back to do The View but also I was grateful you love New York I love LA and I might be to come out here. You love New York. I do. Right? I mean. Love. I love LA. And I might be the outlier, but I just love it. And maybe it's because I'm from New York that I just got to find an alternative where your blood isn't boiling all the time by default was really cathartic.

See, but that's funny because that have, that's my constant blood temp. Sure. Is at a full cauldron scalding high. Yes, bubbling cauldron. Oh my God. And then when I bring that energy to LA, people are really nice in LA. We'll say nobody honks their horns.

Nobody. It makes me fucking crazy. I'm like, I honk a fucking horn. See, I honk a horn too, but because people let you into their, I'm from long island where people literally speed up so you can't yes i mean seriously they speed up so you can't get off at your exit which is like where else in the disgusting it's just it's insane so in la that you

you feel like you've been tempered into like just yeah i mean i'm not a dummy like i i love going to sound baths but like i never feel like I'm on a journey or whatever. Truly clean. I just... Wait, what do you mean? Clean? Sound baths. Oh, have you done them?

No, I'm dying to. Do you want to go with me when I come? I know. Wait, I'm sorry. What is a sound bath? What is a sound bath? Will you go with me to the sound bath? I'll take you to the...

I have never been. Okay. Tell them what it is. No, what is it? They are the greatest. So, a sound bath is a thing where you are with a group of people. It's very Hale-bop. It sounds like pre-Hale-bop or whatever.

Get your Nikes out. Heaven's Gate away to you. Heaven's Gate, right. Yeah, totally. What are you talking about? Okay. Okay, so it's a thing, a group. It's like a yoga class almost.

But you go in and you lay down and you like bundle up. A lot of the women usually bundle up. I don't. I don't need to bundle up. They bundle up. Women are the fucking worst. I'm sorry. I speak as up. I don't. I don't need to bundle up. They bundle up. Women are the fucking worst. I'm sorry. I speak as one.

I'm like, why are you like putting yourself under like dousing yourself in blankets? But whatever. Is it cold in there? No. But it's usually women who are like, I'm freezing. So you're in a room. So you're in a room. Creamies.

Right. And everybody lays down and you just you chill out. And usually most sound baths are one person leading a bath with like Tibetan bowls and gongs and chimes. And it sounds so silly in theory. I love it. But but it's truly the most relaxing nap you could imagine or the most. It's just meditative. And of course, they're like, you might feel like you're on a journey. You might see things and start. And you're like, maybe some people do. I, of course, don't you might feel like you're on a journey you might see things and start and you're like maybe some people

do I of course don't I just find it a relaxing nap can we go to the Integraton I would love to can I propose a day I'll drive let's book it now Cabazon and Integraton

the outlets oh yes I'd love to Alana and i did the integratron and what happened it was um it was amazing i mean you know the integratron is this weird thing in the desert it's a weird like dome hut oh that they say aliens built that sounds like some steve bannon shit it's nuts but it's a it's a very it's very pro-life it's a perfect dome in the middle of Joshua Tree so the acoustics are such that you're sitting in a room where it doesn't matter where you're sitting

it sounds like the person across the way is in your ear because the acoustics are so strange Fernando and I did that together and he was weirded out but it was fun, it's a fun weird soundb sound bath that was my intro but I've done a bunch I love most of them there is one place where I went that is so beautiful and it was the worst sound bath you could possibly imagine the woman who ran it was um sort of this uh like a kind of like a big like a big kind of like middle-aged like she was like a pull no punches kind of lady it's queen latifah however can you imagine if queen latifah ran a

secret sound bath i would be like where the fuck is it i'd be like there is the personality sorry go on oh no but this like usually sound baths are led by somebody like Jill, maybe a little out there or whatever. This lady made me laugh because she was kind of a monster. And she started the sound bath speaking as though she were a hardscrabble nurse, giving you the rundown on some type of medication. Oh, lovely. But she was like, all right, so your chakras are going to be aligned. She was talking like, you know.

Matter of fact. Matter of fact about solstice and chakras and sound waves and energy and i was it was hilarious because she was like it was like watching like cameron manheim you know talk really like triggered by the way but go on i'm like fuming uh-huh oh yeah no tell us about cameron manheim it's fine i'm right here it was just and then but the reason that i didn't like her in particular is because the sound bath you know she took so long like building the whole thing up then finally when the sound bath started it was nice but then at a certain point by the end of the sound bath you know like it's been 45

minutes and then i i i look up and i swear to you, she was wearing all black tights. Terrified, yeah. I'm like, what are tights? I woke, I opened my eyes and her literal butthole was so close to my face because she was bending down and putting a chime on everybody's chest. Going around, first of all,

I was like, your butthole is literally in my face. Were her tights ripped or something? No, but I could see it. It was like, oh. Sheer tights? Yes, but also I'm like, your butthole is literally in my face. Were her tights ripped or something? No, but I could like see it. It was like, oh. Sheer tights? Yes. But also I'm like, what's happening? And she was putting chimes on every, and I was like, but wait, there's like, there's

like 50 people in here. You're going to go around and literally place a chime on everybody's chest? Like, you know, I wanted to wrap this up at a certain point. And this was just like, lady, come on. But there is one woman, and that's the one I would like to take us to. There's one woman who is like a beautiful, like ethereal looking woman.

She plays a guitar and has a beautiful voice and sang that Minnie Riperton song. Loving you. My Rudolph's Mother. My Rudolph's Mother. But sang that and then led you into the sound and it was the most

just chill out experience that's the sound bath we should do where is it it's actually in Culver say no more we'll go to the

Best Buy off the 405 and then we'll go I love that Best Buy Best Buy and the Sound Bath Best Buy and the Sound Bath I have to always workshopping it

the one that I did that I hated was in a beautiful place. And I noticed that Rachel Hunter, the supermodel. Rod Stewart's ex. Yes. And she was my first childhood crush. Like super. I was just like, she is.

Good taste because she's to die for. I mean, really. Gay men love her. It was just a weird moment because I was genuinely into her as a kid. Wow. Obviously, I'm gay, but I was just like, she's fucking,

she's like, you can't even believe what you're looking at. She hasn't changed, right? She looks, she's so hot. It's insane. I was like, she must have left early.

She had to have left early. She chimed her way out. She's like, ling, ling, ling, goodbye. I saw Rod Stewart once walking with his new wife and why my family loves Rod is because he's like 5 um i saw rod stuart once walking with his new wife and why my my family loves rod is because um he's like five six oh wow and every wife is six six like this and we're we're a tall family sure uh but your mom's my mom my dad is short my mom is tall and my brother is tall

my dad is like the gan uh the um samwise I know Oh my god It's okay He's like 5'8 And then we're all He's the Ganji Yeah He's the Ganji And then I'm Who am I?

I'm Sauron And then my Moving along Tree beard So What was I saying? Oh but yeah Every wife is huge

And so we love Little guys who marry Like big giant women Tina Tina Fey's husband Has a short short love their fucking dynamic love it uh but you know someone brought up um that we're okay as a society to like remark on a people's height either way like pointing out how people tall are tall or short oh i don't think

that's true it's fair game i don't think that's nice who said that uh this is a friend of mine who's short and she's like people always like A short woman can't say shit about that. I'm sorry. What? How do you feel about it? I mean. No. Are you annoyed when people point out how tall you are, though?

It's so stupid. It's just so. Well, yeah. It's what. When people are like, my least favorite thing. Do you see the smoke coming out of my ears? I have actually so much to say that I've gone full the motherboard. It's like Westworld.

I need the fucking iPad to come here and reprogram me right now. My least favorite is when men think they're flirting with me by telling me that I'm taller than I say I am. Where they go, how tall are you? And I'll go, I'm 6'1". Because I am. And they'll go, no you're not. You're like 6'3".

But they're like negging me with it. Yeah, I was going to say it's like a weird negging that leads nowhere. Oh, you're right. It just makes me want to fucking knock them out. I'm just like, yeah, no, you're right. You know my hype better than me. Gross. Thank you for even asking. Also, isn't it rude for some, I mean, this is maybe just me, but isn't it like icky to

like comment on somebody's appearance too, that's weird to me. Well, that's what we're saying. It's like. So it's not fair game to me. I would never say to somebody, you're so tall or you're so short. When like girls say to me like, oh my God, you're so lucky. I wish I was tall. It's like, oh, sorry.

What do you say? And they do mostly mean it in a nice way. And then men who are insecure will say things, you know. Then I feel like it's coming from a place of like, I don't know. It can be shitty sometimes. I mean, it's annoying. I can't wear heels. If I wear heels and I get in a subway car with teenagers, we're going to have some problems.

Like it's happened. It has happened where I'm like, I'm going to get into a fight on the train tonight. So annoying. And it's bad. Because listen, if I put a little like a block heel on, you know, I'm like Kevin Durant. Like I can't. I'm not like a normal woman. And then what's funny is sometimes I'll see

really tall women, like women taller than me. And I'm so not used to seeing women that tall that I'm like, what a freak. And then I'm like, that's me.

Oh my God. Like what a horrible feeling. But also, it is who I am. And you know, I just knocked four glasses over. I'm in a great place. We're beautiful.

Oh my God. And it's fine. You know, my favorite, I love the comedian Judy Gold. Oh, the funniest. She did my and it's fine. You know, my favorite, I love the comedian Judy Gold. Oh, the funniest. She did my show.

Oh yeah, how was it? It was great. She's so funny because she plays, we did a musical bit where she played the clarinet

and watching her sort of like hunch over to, it was like the funniest thing. Just watching her sort of hunch over to play the clarinet

was like the greatest joy of my life. When I used to play violin as a child, I used to joke, it's a cello, like a high joke. And no one would ever laugh. Great.

And I'd pick comedy after that. So what else? Yeah, she's a... We have fun. Yeah. I love her so much. Who else? There was someone else on your show.

Well, there's Alana. Oh, Alana. And my dad... Do they sing? We did a tribute to my grandma who passed away a couple years a couple years ago but we it was like funny it was like we played a video of her singing she had a just a piercing voice when she sang just so shrill and piercing and so there's this video of her singing bring back my bonnie to me to me as a child and it's very cute and it's very you

know heartwarming but it is so funny to appear like even my dad was like that it just cuts right through you so we did uh we we watched the video and then we did a my dad plays the piano really well so my dad played the piano alana played the drums judy played the clarinet and i sang we did a little cute little tribute that's really nice yeah i love it it was fun babe babe rule number 86 i love it we love it, guys. This is the perfect time to move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. Sure. So this is one minute where we... I'm just blanking. Oh my god, I'm forgetting my... That's okay. We'll go first and then you go and then in the time...

I mean, listen to us and react. I don't have to do mine. No, do it. Please, Michelle. It's so late. Okay, we'll do it. It'll be one minute each. Mine's not going to be that great. I'm really selling it. So this is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture while repeating the phrase, I don't think so, honey.

Oh, I have one now. Okay, great. What if mine was sound baths? As like, oh, you're going to like shower me in your fucking sound? You basically did one about men who comment on your height. Well. Smoke me out of your ears. Okay, go on.

I mean, you can go any which way with this. I have nothing planned. Go. You told me you had something planned. It's like dumb. I, go on. I mean, you can go any which way with this. I have nothing planned. Go. You told me you had something planned. It's like dumb. I'll do it. All right, all right. All right, so this is Bowen Yang doing I Don't Think So Honey.

Amazing. And his time, am I good? I'm joking. Yes, yes. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey gift guides? No, I don't want to buy stem blocks for my one-year-old niece who's not even one yet. She's yet unborn.

I Don't Think So Honey gift guides for pushing like a foot massager for my one-year-old niece who's not even one yet she's yet unborn i don't think so many gift guides for pushing like a foot massager for my dad because he's not gonna like buy these trinkets he's not gonna use it and he's gonna say you shouldn't have bought me something i literally why did you do this i mean god bless you and i hope whoever receives that enjoys it but for my purposes every gift guide is catered to, I'm going to say it and I'm sorry you guys are in the room, it's catered to a white audience. Get out of here.

It's about, who are they? It's catered to some runaway capitalist cog in the machine and I need to buy, all I want is just a good teapot for my dad to steep his teas in. Or like a fun, they call them what, nap robes? Oh, at Brookstone, they sell these amazing bathrobes that everyone loves. Nap robes.

You gotta get them. Are they like robes in a napkin? They're basically amazing bathrobes. My mom would love it. And that's my minute. Oh my God. We cut into you, to be fair. That's fine, that's fine.

But gift guides, they're so stressful because you never agree with them. I don't understand. I don't understand. I think as a Jew, I'm just- Here we go. with them. I don't understand. I think as a Jew. Here we go. Go on. I just don't.

I'm just like, do people follow this? Like, there's so much going on about buying stuff. It's like. I don't understand the purpose, the function of gift guides. That's what. I don't get it. Yeah. It's so weirdly curated.

I'm like, people are just buying the shit they're going to buy. Exactly. And mine piggybacks off yours. Please. I can't wait. But it's about. Okay, wait, I'm going to buy. Exactly. Mine piggybacks off yours. Please. I can't wait. But it's about, okay, wait, I'm going to burp. Beautiful. Definitely move that in.

This red wine is true poison. It's also clear. Rose and fall. Rose and fall. Oh, my God. Okay, I've never really done a good one of these. I've only done one. Yes, you have.

Yes, you have. Okay, great. This is Michelle Collins's I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey package thieves. And why am I saying this? Because I just had a package get thefted. And here's what I don't get.

I move to a building. I'm just going to be up front. No doorman. Don't stalk me. And they leave him in the front. And so someone decided to steal my package from Ann Taylor. No! Yes!

Now, if this was a teacher or a librarian or someone, then God bless you. And I really hope you are curvy and you like it. But I guarantee you it was a man who came in there and stole these packages. And here's all I have to say. I hope you have a fat cousin with big old feet because literally everything was ploo-sized and big-shoed. And there's no way anyone you know will fit into it. I also just want to add that I called Dan Taylor and after a week week of literal calls they should refund my money they did yes which is nice

but also fuck package thieves no like fuck it like steal the old-fashioned way pickpocket when i take time to go online and do all this shit you're just creating problems for me and everyone else and by the way we have you on camera and you will go to jail so fuck yeah same thing just happened I saw Forever 21 yep oh Forever 21 yes I'm not being shitty that is literally like

in the thing she said she got a package it's no worse than Ann Taylor no I mean Ann Taylor is like truly bottom of the fucking barrel

but they have a tall section you guys oh my god mine is not like super no no no it'll be great it's not about shopping it's not I have to say

that is a you're right it's so cowardly to steal a package it's so easy I should start doing it honestly like thinking about it

it's like oh my god you can just walk in and take it no don't risk it no I would never you'll be on camera you'll be arrested I'm very godly

law abiding I'm so nervous about mine because it's not I don't know if I can rant no just do it I don't care go with it

the momentum will carry elliot you're a shining fucking spark plug them on elliot you've done harder things than this this is elliot glaciers i don't think so honey his time starts now okay i don't think so honey hashtag or it's not a hashtag the idea of positioning your thirst trap on instagram to make it about quoting quote missing summer thank you i miss I miss summer. Hashtag bring back summer. Hashtag where's summer. Here's my ass cheek. Look, everybody has a way. I'm talking about gay guys.

There is very specifically a desire to be hypersexual and to be desired on social media. And it's across the board. Yeah. But this, I'm like, how did you find a way? I get it. Fitness, you can do it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's December. And if you're posting pictures, literally, you're like, I can see your pubes and you're on the beach and you're just saying you're doing it because you miss summer. How much do you fucking miss summer? We all miss summer. Or some of us don't. I don't care about summer. But I don't need you to just say that you just do what you're doing there you go just do what you're doing

you don't need to position it around the fucking season ah and that's one minute that's all you this i fucking hate summer i don't miss summer exactly i love a coat i love fall and winter fall yeah is my sweet but. But it is so, it just drives me nuts. I don't follow, I have a couple, I follow a couple gay models because they like follow me

and I feel all in it and it is truly the low point of my feet. It's a nice jam. I'm just like, I don't, there's no point of it. It's like,

but Elliot's talking about this phenomenon of, it's not even just the missing summer thing. It's like just cloaking some thirst trap under some other, the guise of some other thing of just like, Oh,

I mean that could, I could talk about that for hours, but I'm just talking very specifically about seeing this hashtag. I miss summer, bring summer, bring summer back. I'm like, Oh,

literally just say like, look at my ass. Look at my teacher. It's like, here's a chime. Hashtag. Here's a chime. Let me put a chime

on people and show you my asshole you're not putting chimes on people you're showing us your asshole no I

I like had a little mini mental breakdown like two weeks ago after like some guy like it wasn't the way the guy did this

like the guy like went on one day which I thought was nice then I followed up just a very gave him a space followed up after a few days and he very politely tactfully was like i think we should be friends and i was like great but then that was just the last little granule of rejection and so just sent

me off oh and is it a friend somebody new or no it was a friend and what was nice about the day was that it was like we didn't have to go through this song and dance right like what do you do um like we knew each other already was great but then like i just something in me broke where i was just like oh um and writer at new york magazine alex jung says and i agree with this gay culture is white supremacy and um it's not wrong and i'm sorry and i'm making this real heavy but this is just what it is i'm sorry and i And I texted, no, no, no, I texted Joel, I texted Joel Kimbooster, you guys know him. I love Joel. I was like,

this just happened, this sucks. And he was like, I'm going through a similar thing at the time he was. And I was like, the fact that Joel, like this Adonis of a man,

so smart, so charming, so funny, so like on paper desirable, we'll say. Like the fact that Joel is not immune to this like makes me think that there's something but the world is like that yeah and also no but here's the thing with gay guys

yeah nobody is immune to it however right in the in the in the vein of what alex says about white supremacy a ton of guys will refuse to acknowledge that it is difficult, that it is hard, and that it is challenging. And that, because that threatens their masculinity, which is, quite honestly, just them being dudes. Well, there's a self-preservation. They're like, that's too bad. These people have it harder, but I'm fine. I'm gonna. It's really, it's astonishing.

And it drives me and I feel like other gay comedians wild because we're like, we talk about stuff. Yeah. And when you find, when you come across people who are like, nope, I'm great. And you're like, but what are you? Is there anything in your body? It's crazy. I'm glad you're great, but like, can you help out here?

Yeah. That's all. That's all I'm talking about hi oh my god Michelle thank you so much we love you so much thank you

oh my god I hope everyone has a great holiday and we usually close out with a song that we just should we sing it let's sing it

can we do Mariah's A Holy Night here we go let's do it you know it obviously yeah I don't know like the runs

that she does what I don't let's do how are you I it, obviously, yeah. I don't know, like, the runs that she does. What? I don't. Let's do, um... How are you... I mean, how are you in your community? Let's... Holy night.

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