Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Uncertainty The Haus Down" (w/ Jared Frieder)

Episode Date: February 23, 2022

Las Cultch welcomes writer, director and certified Character On This Podcast Jared Frieder to talk all about his debut film THREE MONTHS, starring Troye Sivan and Ellen Burstyn, which is out on Paramount+ today! Matt, Bow and Jared discuss striking the right tone for a dramedy about potentially contracting HIV, queer intimacy on screen, working with Troye, Ellen Burstyn, Judy Greer and the rest of the incredible cast, and the decision to cut his ex-boyfriend Matt Rogers from the film. Also, Pedro Zamora, My Cousin Vinny, Joe Pesci as an underrated queer comedy icon, our top ten Tayla songs (Jared is an even bigger Swiftie than our hosts), and much more. We’re all so proud of Jared and encourage you to stream THREE MONTHS right now! Don’t “Wait” or you’ll be in “Trouble” (stream the songs, too)! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ding dong. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Raising a glass. So raise a glass if you are wrong in all the right ways. In all the right ways. Which is, I think, one of the best songs of all time. We should be singing this in Irish pubs all over the world. At every celebration.

They should be saying, So raise your glass if you are wrong in all over the world. At every celebration they should be saying, So raise your glass if you are wrong in all the right ways. Which is a song for all the freaks, the fags, the weirdos, the outcasts. Girls from the other side of the tracks. In every space, bar mitzvahs, bat mitzvahs, they mitzvahs.

I'm sorry, we have to give a nod to them just like that. Graduations, weddings, funerals. Children were singing this song. children can i say it's interesting that you sort of went to the mitzvah of it all yes because oh i didn't mean to well no you did i i gotta say as someone who has a jewish family not my own but a your sister is married to a jewish man my sister's family is a jewish. Uh-huh. And now we said it. And I will probably have to spend at least $2 million on my niece's bat mitzvahs. Can I say, those gorgeous girls are going to have insane bat mitzvahs.

I know it. I really think, I hope that their obsession for Minnie Mouse carries on into their adult life. Are they obsessed with Minnie Mouse? Ellie is obsessed. They're both. Sophie's obsessed with Minnie Mouse carries on into their adulthood. Are they obsessed with Minnie Mouse? Ellie is obsessed. They're both. Sophie's obsessed with Minnie Mouse. Oh my gosh. Well, she's one of the most beautiful women in the world.

One of the most beautiful women in the world. And Sophie sees Minnie Mouse. Anytime she sees Minnie Mouse, she goes, Minnie Mouse! You would fucking melt at the sight. I guarantee. I guarantee I would. Because you know who I was obsessed with?

Minnie. Daisy. No. Neither of the girls. Donald Duck. I guarantee I would. Because you know who I was obsessed with? Minnie. Daisy. No. Neither of the girls. Donald Duck. I was the Donald boy. I like simp for Donald. Donald in Kingdom Hearts. Simpering, whimpering child again. Bewitched.

You, my girl is not a Kingdom Hearts girl. Donald Duck was your magic user. So Goofy was your tank and he took the damage and he fought with a shield. It was so cute. But Donald fought with stabs and Donald could cast spells and then anytime you were low

on health, my Kingdom Hearts readers, publicists know you'd hear Donald going. And you knew you were safe when Donald would cure you and go, Sarah! Because your character's name was Sora. And then Donald would go, Sarah! I didn't know you had a Donald.

Or Donald could... Bowen has a Donald. That's a bad Donald. But then if you were fighting with other heroes in other worlds, he'd be like, Mulan! He'd be like, Belle! You can't fight with Belle. But he'd be like...

Who knew I could do that? Matt, you've always had Donald. You've always had Donald. Donald the house down. I think the three of us are all Donalds in this room. I don't know. You don't think? I think three of us are all a little anxious.

Like, You think? You feel this way? I think you're a Daffy, and then me and the guest are Donalds. You think I'm Daffy? I think you're a Daffy Duck. Why do you insult me soalds you think i'm daffy i think you're a daffy why do you insult me so that's not an insult daffy duck can had it he's carrying is carrying that if you are if you have daffy in you you are carrying that's rule of

culture number 17 if you have daffy in you you are carrying the reason i said it was iconic that you brought up the the bar bat mitzvah of it all is because you know i know the guests quite well um our guests today on the episode and i actually can reveal now that their bar mitzvah theme was live from new york it's jared's night which is interesting because it crosses over sort of with your culture absolutely and he it's only it only was that because he wanted to have a wicked themed bar mitzvah but it was deemed too gay and so why not scope out wicked to broadway and then scope out broadway to live from new york so i guess like it's like so in in a sense really yeah in having live from new york it's jared's night there probably was

like a wicked table was there a wicked table don't verbally confirm great okay because you don't exist yet in the podcast space we haven't brought you in i don't make them i and this is my thing i think we are coming out of a generation i think i think the kids now god bless them are like being friends with their fellow queer, like classmates. Absolutely. Would I have been invited to that, I wonder?

You know, like if we'd all gone to the same school. We talk often, you and I, and also the guest and I, I don't know if you guys have had this conversation.

I don't see any text between each other. Would we have been friends during a high school period? I think I would have been friends with both of you. I'm convinced, and this is not, I don't think this is a character flaw in either of us.

I think we would have both been too intimidated by the other, and been like, I'm going to keep my distance. That's Matt Rogers. I don't know what his deal is. I don't know. I haven't really, you know. I think we would have been friends at school.

And we would have even done like bits. Because Matt, you and I, we did not hit it off right away when we met in college. That's because you were noxious to me. That's not true. And this was actually the way our relationship started was Bowen was a very big bully to me. You've told the story a million times.

And I was auditioning Bright Eyed and Bushy Tailed. We've been over this so many times. For the improv group at my school. And I was really excited.-eyed and bushy-tailed for the improv group at my school, and I was really excited. And Bowen Yang was already on the group, and he came over and was like, so, I heard you're auditioning. And I was like, yeah. Fast forward, I was mean, noxious, whatever, terrible. And then he and I

bonded over Roman's Revenge and or Super Bass coming on at a party back when those were two deep cuts off of Pink Friday. There you go. And it's been smooth sailing ever since. Ever since. Not a damn hitch. Speaking of sailing...

Florida. Florida. It's in the news? That is... Florida's always in the news. And it's going to be really in the news starting Wednesday. Today! Today!

Starting today! Florida's actually majorly in the news because florida is the setting miami specifically for the film three months oh which stars get this troy savan get this judy greer get this ellenstyn wow get this Roy Gossett Jr. get this Louis Gossett Jr. get this

Louis Gossett Jr. amazing and get this Vivek Kalra get this Brianne Chu and a host of Florida locals.

Get this, Amy Landecker. The best. This movie is star-studded. And here's the thing about movies. It really can only be performed if there's a script. So there has to, at the very beginning of the process, maybe this is like a peek behind the curtain for everyone out there, is how movies get made.

Movie magic. I say it with quotes. This is movie magic. First say with quotes this is movie magic first you need a script first you need a script germ of an idea that gets put on the page then you need a director absolutely every now and then in a blue moon you get what's called a writer director an auteur and this is that what auteur means an auteur is just anyone who literally writes something oh so me you are an auteur

also I just gotta say it's a true thrill that he is here with us an auteur who I think does his job this is my dream of a director

of an auteur even someone who does the job so well and yet I will put him together with Andrew Ahn someone who is not going to really push too much the identity of I'm really good at what I do

and yet he's really good at what he does and doesn't do you know what i mean yeah yeah is this coming off the wrong way no it's coming off the right way what you're saying is this is a controlled person who knew their vision and saw it through and we've both seen the film and it's really great and it's got like such a specific like signature aesthetic and you know in trailer, they say it is from an emerging voice. They don't just say from writer and director, the name. They say it's an emerging new voice, which I think is very apt. And I'm extremely proud of our guest.

And he's going to tell us all about the movie. I loved the movie so much. And we're going to gush and gush and gush to him to his face so that he can respond and you know we could say the person that's the guest on the episode today has sort of been a character in the show you know what i mean someone you've dated interesting that might can't confirm or deny might sort of play into i don't know how public he wants to be about our relationship i know i know and you have we have to respect i wonder if it'll be in his wikipedia oh like jared frieder dated matt rogers there is a there is like a listicle thing you know one of those bad listicles yeah their net worth is 700 000 i'm like where's that money oh they think mine is like

two million and i'm like honey my favorite is that they think that the guest's dog is my dog. It's like Matt has one dog named Jane. We must talk about Jane. We talk about Jane. Everyone welcome. Someone who unironically loves the song We Don't Talk About Bruno. The writer-director of Three Months. Jared Friedider!

How are you feeling? Wow. I've always wanted to go to the circus, so this is a delight. Would you consider this clown parade? I would consider this clown college on the way to the clown parade. So maybe it's sort of like

we're going to graduate pretty soon, though. What is the pipeline? Is it clown college to clown parade and then clown brigade? Yes. I think brigade, by definition What is the pipeline? Is it Clown College to Clown Parade and then Clown Brigade? Yes. I think the brigade by definition is Big Parade.

And then Showtime. And then Showtime! Which is Matt's new home. Yes. Can you believe? Well, listen, congrats on making a film. Thank you, girl.

How does it feel? Now, okay, we're recording this before it's out in the world. Yes. So let's just have you pretend for temporal manipulation's sake that it's come out and that you can like fast forward and you feel yourself like wow it's out or what are you anticipating feeling when when the movie is like publicly available i have no idea this whole thing's been pretty surreal um i'm like

very excited to get really really stoned on wednesday and just like read dms from gay kids in arkansas being like thank you for making me feel less alone that's truly the dream that's my only expectation and that's basically guaranteed i really hope it really is and that's what's so great like and the thing is like you get bogged down in the biz yeah like of like so many things like it's and then you realize like when when someone reaches out and they're like hey i was moved by this and helped by this and that's just the bare minimum some people like especially with this movie like and i would love for you to tell everyone like what it's about and where it came from but with this movie people are going to be really moved and i mean i, I was moved. And like, I just, I think I speak for like all queer people.

I just, I just really want everyone to get on their Paramount Plus today or in the coming days and watch this because it's really fucking great. Really great. Thank you, girls. Tell us what the movie is about, where it came from,

all the stuff that just prompted you. So it's called Three Months. And it's loosely based on my homosexual life. And it's about, just in case you guys didn't know, Matthew, write that down. I think I remember. Okay, yeah. We'll get to that.

Don't be mean to me! This is my one chance to talk to your demo about what the truth feels like. Oh, my, what the truth feels like. Oh, it was Prince Stefani, I said pink. No, but it's okay. Yeah, they're the same. We're allowed to sort of, because we gave pink so much at the top of the episode, we can humble her.

We can humble her, yeah. Honestly, she deserves it. So it's called Three Months, and it's about this kid named Caleb who is graduating high school and is going through a breakup. And on the eve of his graduation, he's exposed to HIV. It takes place in 2011 in South Florida. And he has to wait the three months it takes to find out what his HIV status is. And while he waits, he falls in love with someone who's also waiting. But it's like a – I know it sounds dark and there are serious themes and topics but it is a comedy it's like such a blast start to finish um and it's a story i like wrote almost

a decade ago but you guys know how hard it is to get gay shit made it's like fucking impossible and so this is like truly the cat woman of the gay movie world like it's had nine lives as a movie and then a tv show and finally a movie again and i think the weirdest thing about it and matt was there the whole time truly but you know we went into production on march 3rd 2020 not sure if you girls remember what happened right after that there was a big storm there was twas a storm was a storm uh hurricane. Hurricane Rona came and rained down on us. And we had a shutdown after two weeks of filming. And, you know, we waited for seven months, never knowing if we were actually going to finish.

This is a movie about waiting in uncertainty because of a virus. Yeah. And the movie was literally waiting in uncertainty. Oh, my God. I never thematically connected that. Yeah. It was a lot. And so, you know, it's also a movie about

waiting and how waiting is a part of the human experience and you have to fight for what you want and what you love while you wait. And I felt like this was like, I felt a little bit not to be this egocentric, but a little bit like Job from the Bible where this was my ultimate test to see if I could sort of

encapsulate the feeling and the themes of the film and fighting for it. So we came back and we did and we finished and it's out today on Paramount plus. It's so cool. It's been crazy. I've only peripherally followed you on this journey because I remember just like hearing the updates that like,

Oh, like production shut down of course, because of COVID and for for the seven months intervening between that and when you guys started up again, I would be hanging out with you and you'd show me pictures from set, from monitor shots and be like, I don't know when we'll do it again,

but look at this. And I was like, that's the most gorgeous shot I've ever seen. And I remember for that period, what, March to October, just thinking, God, I really hope Jared gets to make this again soon. And now, now, now, now, yeah, I know, of course. And, like, it is not, no one would begrudge you for, like, comparing it to, like, Joe, because it is, filmmaking, when you're, especially in your position, it can only feel like something of, like, biblical proportions.

Because it's so fucking hard and i know it sounds like such an industry circle jerk kind of thing when people like talk about this stuff like on either like we as actors matt and i talking about it like it sometimes it feels a little bit masturbatory but it's like no like when you're in it it the stakes feels first for whatever reason so high and this is to bring it back to you, this was so laden with, I don't know, hardship and all these different obstacles. And for this to be the product in the end is so, so, so great. Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, it's so painful. But it's going to be a great year of queer movies, which I don't think people understand how rare and hard it is. I mean, we have Amazing Fire Island coming out. There's Bros. There's Three Months. There's so many queer movies coming out this year. And when I tell you, again,

it's just near fucking impossible to make that happen. I don't know what's going on. America's getting gayer, thank God. But the kids are going to be eating the little Fagolas. Especially because it's on Paramount+, which I feel like... They're going to be watching All Stars, and then they're going to be eating the little the little fagolas especially because it's on Paramount Plus which I feel like they're going to be watching all stars and then they're going to be watching

fucking three months they're going to be flipping back and forth they're going to be saying should we watch Untucked or Three Months that's what's going to happen on Friday and hopefully they watch both at the same time two TVs this is actually a huge hack it's a 30 minute movie right

if you're not watching three months, you are getting a third of the story. A third of the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's, another thing is just, like, it's so difficult to get things made, and, like, obviously, like,

you can't necessarily be super honest about, like, every single thing you go through, because it's, like, it's laden with so much stuff, but when it's you, when it's something that's so close to your story yeah and the fact that like you know you hear sometimes in in hollywood or whatever like you know it took 40 years to make the wife you know what i mean like it's like

but like literally it's been how many years it's been nine years nine years and it was a show that was like supposed to go right and it was like show that was, like, supposed to go. Right, right. And it was, like, all these different forms, etc. And then, you know, you're making it, and sometimes it, then the fucking pandemic, and it just feels like one thing after another. And meanwhile, it's, anyone would be emotional about investing that time and energy into anything, but this is, like, something that you said was semi-autobiographical. Super personal, yeah. Yeah. So basically, when I was graduating from college, I went through an experience where I had sex with someone who found out they were paws and a condom broke, and I had to wait to find out if I had it too.

And it was a really interesting time in my life because- Time before prep, we should say. Which was a panicked time. I mean, there's just the anxiety. You know, I feel like us as gay men, we are programmed and hardwired to be so scared of HIV. And it was like the boogeyman growing up. I mean, I remember coming out and one of the first things, you know, people would say to me is, you know, I grew up in the public school system in Florida. So, like, truly trash on trash on trash. But, you know, we didn't have the correct education at that time to learn that, you know, when you have access to medical care, HIV is no longer a death sentence.

And you equals you. You equals you. And which is the line I'm so happy we put in the movie. Yeah. And it's just it's it's, you know, people can like fall in love and live their dreams and do everything they've always wanted to do. And I hope people really take that away from this film, because that was something i had to take away and learn from that experience and um you know i don't know i'm really excited for people to see it matt matt brought this up last night we hung out with you and he was like you know what's so so perfectly treated in this movie is the way that the HIV concept

is never so heavily presented. You know, it's like, this character, Caleb, is just thinking about it in terms of, like, well, like, it's ever that fatal, and so he's, and, like, as he's, like, on this journey of, like, kind of, you know,

reckoning with this potentiality of him being HIV positive, he's watching The Real World San Francisco and going, wow, like, there's this, like, actual application of lived in experience of someone who is HIV positive living his life in a very complete, fulfilled way. And, like, I feel like it's, you weave these things and braid them together so well that, like feels like something that's like, the stakes are so, so bleak. There's no despairing in his journey, which I think is so unbelievably rare for you. I mean, it's unbelievably so, so, so, like, I don't know, what am I trying to say?

Like, graceful of you to do. I think that it's really, it feels like a a it feels like a first yeah it felt so novel because i think that when when when people are going to hear like it's a it's a comedy it's a it's a it's a dramedy yeah yeah about you know the potential of contracting hiv and it's a young person it's like oh, and I think we are sort of triggered by the letters HIV to think, oh, sad, you know, because there's so much despairing and there's so much tragedy. And, you know, I actually had an extreme, we recently viewed Fire Island again, and I had an extremely emotional reaction because it's hard to not reckon with. It's just, it's something, it's a part of the fabric of being queer. The communal history. Yes.

And so, that's what I love about this movie too, is it's sort of saying like, his doctor is never looking him in the eyes and being like, this is really serious. You know what I mean? Can you speak to that?

Yeah, I mean, played by the amazing Javier Munoz. He was my Hamilton when I saw it. He was so good. He is the nicest, the most, I mean, played by the amazing Javier Munoz. He was my Hamilton when I saw it. He was so good. He is the nicest, the most... I mean, I basically wrote this part for him, and he was one of the first people we cast in the film. And openly paused.

Openly HIV positive, and just a huge inspiration for me. But, you know, it's all about tone, right? Like, tone was paramount, and figuring out the balance and the tight... Paramount plus, yes. But, like, walking the tightrope of tone was really really important because I wanted this to be a hopeful film for people. I wanted it to be fun.

But I also wanted to talk about things that are important to me and things that I've learned. And, you know, this is really a movie that I wished I could have had when I was growing up as a kid. And that was top of mind. But for me, it's all about tone, tone, tone. My favorite movies are ones that walk that tightrope. You know what I mean? Juno was a huge tonal inspiration for this. I was just going to bring it up.

And it's the same. It's people who produced it? Yeah. So in a very full circle moment, the producers of Juno read the script after other producers had dropped out in one of the deaths. And they invited me over the day after they read it. And they were like, we want to help you make this movie with MTV studios.

And it was truly a dream come true because I remember it, not a spoiler, but this was one of the things I was thinking of for my culture was Juno. I was like, unfortunately a gross Tracy flick in high school where I like needed to get every straight A and be captain of everything. So I could get the fuck out of Florida. A lot of queer kids

have that. I had it. Best little boy in the world. And the only time I ever skipped school was to go to the theater and see Juno when I was a senior and my mind was truly blown and obviously that character is

straight but there's something about Elliot's performance where it felt inherently queer. There was something queer about it. Where I just couldn't put my finger on it, but I was so affected by it. And it was the first time as a kid, I had seen a film that talked about something that was somewhat taboo

or something that wasn't often talked about in a way that was funny and light and hopeful and accessible. And I was like, oh, I want to do that. I want to emulate that and hopeful and accessible. And I was like, Oh, I want to do that. I want to emulate that and, and tell important stories. But you know, with a nice little lip sync and a mini mart with fucking my favorite pop star in the whole

goddamn world. Let's talk about that for a second, because the, this, the, the situation is it stars Troy Sivan, who is again, like it,

it feels like a meeting of project and star, which i'm so excited for him and for you the creator of this movie because i personally i mean i think he's so talented but did not know he was capable of this i mean i just love to see it i mean he gives such a understated yet like complex performance because he is scared he is afraid i mean you are living in a place of fear that entire time but yet he still carries with him a lightness and he is just so comfortable with the comedy and with your writing and i i mean i think i can't i'm not i'm not i don't think i'm saying anything crazy when i say diablo is obviously an influence in your writing like there is like a lot of um diablo and shonda yeah right my girls there's a lot of punch in your writing and you have to be a funny

performer and like i did not know like you wouldn't look at troy savant on stage singing my my my and bloom and think he's gonna be be a really funny actor. You know what I mean? And yet he is. And can you speak to working with him and how he got involved? Yeah, so, I mean, the thing with Caleb is, I wrote The Kid I Wished I Could Have Been in High School. And Troy is literally just The Kid I Wished I Could Have Been in High School.

He's so effortlessly cool and just embodied every element of this character. And the love interest, Esta, played by vivek kalra um so he's a star fantastic he's like it's really insane how incredible of a capital a actor he is but i i was an esta growing up you know with that monologue he gives oh i i oh my god i related so hard i'm sorry well that's my bet that's my that's me i've never written from the heart like i have with that monologue like just about shame know, being, trying to be the perfect little gay boy so that this other part of me that I'm scared of, I'm scared for everyone to see, I'm trying to overcompensate for that. was in high school i was in esta and troy just like he just got it first of all he's like a nice

jewish boy which we obviously immediately connected on that but um he's like i know it's like woman who gets it or whatever but like he's like a gay who gets it and you wouldn't necessarily think that because you know he is this pop star he is larger than life and cool but when you meet him he's just like yeah he's very you know he could could be at Akbar on a Saturday night, you know, like chatting away. So it was really cool. And he's such a hard worker. And, you know, he started off in acting before he was a pop star. Right.

And I think that people don't know that. He's Baby Wolverine. Baby Wolverine. Baby Hugh. Wow. Yeah. Young Hugh Jackman. I didn't know that until this moment.

In the Wolverine movie, right? Yes. Yes. Huh. Yes. And Hugh Ossie. Ossie Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh. Yes. Him and Hugh Aussie icons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.

Queer Aussie icons. Should we cut that? Just kidding. No. I think we should leave it at that. I make no comment. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

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as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Troy is amazing in the film, and that's another thing I forget. I understand more and more, and the more I work,

it's like the director is everything. So what's your working relationship with him like like what's that like what's that duet like i mean it's it's really fun for me the thing that that surprised me the most about directing that i did not know is like you think people come in with their like huge megaphone and they just like give orders and like everyone and like there is a little bit of that but it really is just like about listening to people and i feel like i've always been a really great listener as you know i was in a relationship with matt rogers so um that is a prerequisite um i only get three of those so that was one um you can have as many there is no

limits there's no cap um but you know it's it's i'm a i'm a really good listener i'm a really good collaborator and basically you know we just got to the emotional truth of the scene but the funny the funny thing about troy is you know this is the first time he's doing a comedy so you know you're obviously talking about serious themes and then i would i would have to like constantly remind him i was like no no but this is a funny scene and he'd be like oh all right and we would just sort of work through tone first and um you know there's also a lot of different um characters with different identities and backgrounds. And I'm also someone who like defers to the actor's lived experience for that part. Like with Vivek, I rewrote this role almost every single day, every single, the monologues, all the stuff.

Because he was like, well, this is more true to my experience as an Indian person. With Brienne, it was like, this is more true to my experience as an Indonesian Chinese American. You know, same thing with Lou Gossett Jr. as an African American. So with Troy, you know, Judaism thing with Lou Gossett Jr. as an African American. So with Troy, you know, Judaism plays a huge part in this movie and it delves into like the Orthodox community's relationship with queerness, which is not always, spoiler alert, cute. So Troy was basically like,

so listen, my dad's a religious Jew and I would love to put something in here that reflected Judaism in a positive light. And so there's a sequence out when they're on a playground and they're underneath. And basically, Esther says to Caleb, do you like being Jewish? And he sort of went into that, too. So it is like a back and forth. To me, it is such a blessing to be able to work with some of your idols and all these creative people and finding the best answer and it's never it's never solely in your brain it is like a symphony of yeah well i was thinking about you in a way i'm not in a way

i just was literally thinking about you as i was watching the movie and going wow wow, I just really, I really can so clearly picture Jared being on set with Ellen, Judy, Troy, like Lou, like all of these people that like, I'm sure you've like looked up to and like we're so excited to work with and going, I mean, yeah, like I see it so clearly like you being this like steady presence in that environment going,

knowing how to sort of cater to all of them and make them feel cared for. I mean, I feel like you are very much a caretaker. You know, that's so funny that you mention that because there are roses and there are gardeners. Flowers and gardeners anyway. Stars and rocks. It reminds me of such a flower.

Stars and rocks. As you know, Matthew Rogers, flower on flower on flower. A wreath. A wreath, girl. That's what happens when you're on a Pisces, rising Pisces, Matthew Rogers, flower on flower on flower. A wreath. A wreath, girl. That's what happens when you're on a Pisces rising Pisces cancer moon. You're a flower. A wreath of flowers. Well, honey, I'm a Leo rising Leo, and I should be a flower.

And at times I am a flower. But, I mean, when Ellen first stepped on set and did her first scene, I was literally clutching my producer's arms and being like, never let me forget this moment. Yeah, it's Ellen Burstyn. I mean, just one of the reasons i wanted to become a filmmaker like her movies you know alice and fucking the exorcist and last picture show i was like i can't believe this person is here saying my lines like she means them and it was like truly she was so good that character is so great yeah based off my own grandma who i literally lost in the middle of the pandemic

who never got to see the film so it's like one of these things where it's just like i wanted to do her proud but like ellen like emulated her hair and her brooklyn accent and we worked so hard on character to figure out how she could like inhabit this character who was essentially my grandma which is again like so trippy i mean pinch like, take it with me until I croak sort of vibes. So when you watch the film, what is your biggest regret? When I watch the film... Oh, I know where this is going. I feel like there's a scene that was cut that I feel... So here's the tea.

Someone flew all the way out to Atlanta, Georgia. When I was in pre-production of this film, three months, I was dating what I would call an actor at the time. I identify as an actor. As an actor. For two days, he identified as a dancer, and I'll get to that later. Oh, please. Yeah, Dancing with the Stars.

I hate it. We're going to bring that up, bitch. Oh, my God. Okay? Don't prank me and expect me not to bring it up on your podcast. I brought it up. I mentioned it all. Yeah.

Okay. Well, I haven't. So, Matt was, we were talking about it and I wanted Matt to visit me on set. And I was like, there is this role, but it's probably going to get cut. I told you in advance. Oh. You did tell me in advance, but I thought I did such a stunning performance. What I will say.

That certainly it would be in. What I will say. Here's what I'll say a stunning performance what i will say certainly it would be in what i will say here's what i'll say here's what i'll say matt and troy great theme partners great chemistry incredible yeah incredible chemistry we had a moment yeah well basically the scene was like i was like are they gonna do it no i'm kidding troy comes up to the bar and orders a drink and he has like a shitty fake id and i'm this bartender and i was like um i look at the id and i know it's fake but i give him a drink anyway and i'm like a shitty fake id and i'm this bartender and i was like um i look at the id and i know it's fake but i give him a drink anyway and i'm like hitting on him and he's like oh like um you shouldn't hit on me i'm over there with like these the pause people right and then i reveal

that i'm pausing it's not a big deal i have an extremely active sex life and it was like a cute little interplay between us and then like um because he's like a dick to me i'm like you better tip and i go away just a little cameo yeah yeah yeah but when i say that like it's so interesting to watch you know troy do comedy in that way because you like improv deliverable and later i was told not to improvise they didn't have time i see it always depends it depends on the set you know i had all i always have all matt is such a great improviser, such a great comedic actor. And when I tell you that

Troy leveled up with the comedy in that moment, and what I think, and I've never told you this, but Judy Greer shot two days after. Literally, Judy Greer, the kind of soul out in the movie. She's incredible. She flew in when everyone was like, COVID?

As the world was collapsing we shot her out the last few days thursday friday her first day there we were like i'll never forget we were all sitting in that fucking mini mart and we were like tom hanks has covid i remember which was like when he got cold we were like not tom you know what i mean and it was it was whatever but judy of course improv the shit out of that scene and troy was prepared for that because i think of your little moment with him and it's such a great scene and maybe we'll put it on youtube as a deleted scene but matthew was excellent oh that's so nice it was fun and obviously i wanted to come visit you anyway and actually it was valentine's day it was which

leads me to i won't say who it was but we shared you were sharing you were sharing a home with i know we won't say who it was but a huge star yeah was it was in the same was like a duplex yeah so you were in one half of the duplex and this gigantic star was in the other half of the duplex yeah suffice it to say, we heard this unnamed celebrity getting railed so hard one night. It was insane. Do you remember? Oh, I... Can you emulate the sound?

Do your porg sound. Oh, my porg. It was like... It was like a porg from Star Wars. Porg from Star Wars episode eight. wars episode when it's when it's most perturbed it was and we were like let's be louder and we were like we can't do that that's and the last thing i'll say the only hints i'll give is it was no she was no no matt no she was getting no i won't say it but she was getting absolutely railed. And while I was there, I spoke to this person on the phone because I told you this.

An edible arrangement that your mom sent us was accidentally picked up by this individual. And so she called because the phone was there. And I spoke with her on the phone. And she was, it was her. And she was like, I literally was like, oh, she was like i literally was like oh i'll come out and meet you i'll come out and take it from you she goes oh no no i left it on the on the doorstep no worries and i was like oh well thank you so much she was like all right well enjoy it it looks so good oh and then i brought it in we did not get to talk to this huge celebrity because people

be shooting in atlanta of course everyone shoots in Atlanta. It's the new Hollywood. I want to bring up one thing that I loved and then another thing that I think is curious that I think will open up another discussion. Oh my god, Gat. Okay, so the first thing is, talk about because I brought this up to you last night, talk about

this love scene between Troy and and vivek or between caleb and nesta i am obsessed with this love scene where they finally decide to be intimate together despite like you know them sort of having this pending you know situation happen and the way it was shot the way it was just, like, choreographed and composed, I was like, I don't think I've seen this. I don't think I've seen this in film. Like, an adolescent queer sexual experience.

It felt real. That felt real. Yeah. And yet so delicate and, like, careful and interesting. This is my reputation. It's never been worse, so he was like me for me. That dovetails into my second thing, which is, what was the choice behind making Caleb hate Taylor Swift? Okay.

So, I mean, it's so nice to hear you say that. That was the scene I worked the hardest on. Really? We, like, it was painstaking. I mean, truly, just with my producers in the trailer, even, like, minutes before being like, okay, we have to sort of redo the shot list because it needs to be more honest. It needs to more awkward it needs to be more comedic but for me

it was just sort of like as a queer man like i feel like we have interesting ideas about what sex needs to be it's so like god i mean i i porn has not like ruined anything for me for some people say that i think it's just curated very specific image in my head. For sure. And this is maybe what you're talking about. Yeah, I just feel like sex is like, you know, there's this notion of like penetrative counts. If it's not penetrative, it doesn't count. But I think sex is how you define it.

And for me, it was just trying to create like intimacy between these two people who are going through this set of experiences who want to share each other physically and you know I wanted to make sure again tone tone tone every scene it was like we have to stay on tone and you know there was a version of the scene that was like hot and sexy and whatever but that didn't feel authentic and there was a scene where it was

like do do do do do do do like welcome to the clown car you know what I mean first day in my body yeah yeah yeah yeah was like, like, welcome to the clown car. You know what I mean? Clown break, clown brigade. Clown college. First day in my body. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, for me. I do be like that sometimes. I mean, especially when you're 19.

Yeah. And so I just wanted to create something that felt sweet and intimate that was also funny and real. But the popcorn element of it was actually something I did with my college boyfriend, who is obsessed with both of you. And he thought I was so cool when I started dating Matt because he listens to this podcast hi Andy um and uh yeah it was like just something we did with like popcorn we were like obsessed with popcorn my like junior year or whatever and like we just did it and I was like what a

and it just became a metaphor like popcorn means more than in just that scene it's like a running um symbol through the film for esta but um it was just it was it was funny and hot and all these different things and i'm really excited for people to see it troy also like loves that scene he was like i look good in that scene and i was like you were good all the time i mean which reminds me of venus as a boy i mean he's like a savage Fenty model. Yeah. Like, it's crazy. Like, he really has such a striking, like, like, God given, like, movie star look.

Yeah. And the thing, too, is what I thought was so funny was when they were shooting the mini mart stuff. Like, there's a scene where they get stoned in a mini mart and um troy and uh brienne who i don't want to lose saying is so good she is incredible she gets the comedy for sure i mean she and troy play off each other so fucking yeah she's a movie star i'm so excited very very like thick stardom vibes yeah but anyway um there's a scene where they get stoned and sort of dance around the mini mart and i remember you texting me and being like yeah we actually had to tell troy to be less

of like a magnetic pop star yeah and that scene where they're dancing because it's like explain it well there's just like first of all we like that was like such run and gun because that was the last thing we shot during the day before we had a shutdown for seven months yeah yeah so it was like i told chanan who's my dp who is number one obsessed with matt thought he was the most gorgeous person she'd ever seen and i was like you're wrong just kidding um and uh we were like light the whole fucking store and bruce her her husband who was also our b-cam operator just like fucking followed them around as the world was truly falling on our heads it was like such a weird mix of emotions because it's such a joyful experience and then on the other hand i was like

god i hope this virus doesn't kill my family like that's where we were at that moment it was like uncertainty the house down yeah yeah uncertainty the house down boots um with gloves and a mask and title of that yeah and and troy was just like being troy he was like having fun in the moment and then i was like oh my god he's so magnetic but he's literally an he's he's coming off as an international pop superstar and like not this little fucker from from florida sure so we had to cut around a lot of it too and i remember when we first he first saw the first cut of the movie because usually i don't show actors working cuts. We really shouldn't be seeing them.

We should not be seeing any of that. Honestly, it's none of your business. You're actually right. But the longer I work in this business, the more I hear about, oh, you know that person, that actor, she needs to see all playback. Oh, playback is different.

Well, playback is different. I think it's annoying. I think actors should not be running back to see playback. It such a disrespect it's it's a huge waste of time it depends on who it is but uh just they have no business seeing cuts because you don't want actors to get in their heads and it's still a working cut and you're not coming in with an objective perspective and when you show someone a working cut the objective is how do i make the movie better right and like the, not a particular performance necessarily, but the movie as a whole.

So you want people who are objective. But anyway, Troy had to see it because he was writing music for it. He was writing songs. And one of his only notes for the mini-mart sequence is like, um, I look like a pop star here. And I was like,

you do. And so we had to continue to sort of cut around it. He's very in touch with his presence. And like, I mean, I still think about him in the My My My video. I'm like, he's not even doing that much. He's kind of And like, I mean, I still think about him in the My My My video. I'm like, he's not even doing that much. He's kind of just like, I mean, you know, kind of standing still in a storm.

But like, in the bridge, there's a shot of him upside down in red light. Like, shouldn't be in the last night of the month. And then, got my name on this treasure, on this treasure. And like, he just has. It's so crazy. It is shocking. So we just cut a music video that will come out today um for wait which is the second and we should say the two songs that he did for this the the film which are trouble and wait are like both absolutely amazing and if they're

honestly like i know it's coming out early in the year if if there's justice at the end of the year wait is in the oscar conversation for song so because it is so beautiful thanks and like i just want to put that out there in the world because you know he's got very close to a nomination for his song from boy erase which is also beautiful but this is such a beautiful encapsulation of the song and the experience. So it's just amazing. It's amazing. Basically, like when we were thinking about music

for the film and what he would write and he was going through his head because he wrote the songs from Caleb's perspective, which like as the biggest Troye Sivan fan, like I was at his first show at the Roxy in like mid-2000 teens. Like I was like, unfortunately, a gross stan. And now he's my sister which is such a

gift but basically i was like i want you to write a song about waiting because that's the experience of the film that's the universal element that people will tap into and he did and in this music video that we cut there are so many scenes and sequences um from the film that didn't make it and there's this one really cool up all night montage where he can't sleep and it's all the stuff caleb does in his room until the sun rises wow i would have loved to see that and it's in time lapse chanan and i shot it in time lapse so like it felt music video it was honestly a departure structurally from the rest of the film so it almost didn't even fit in from a structural structural place but i mean this this movie is like montage city i'm obsessed with montages.

It's also a movie about time. So I was gonna say it works. It lends itself thematically, but I'm so excited. We got to use it. And we turned it into a short film and we just showed Troy the cut this morning and he lost his mind. He's so happy. So I'm so excited for people to see it. But yeah, he, I hate this phrase because I think it's so obnoxious, but he holds the frame. Like he carries it. He doesn't have to do shit. It's so obnoxious, but he holds the frame. Like he carries the frame. He doesn't have to do shit. It's crazy. Some people do and some people don't. He's got it.

Damn. We saw Fire Island. We said the same thing about Joel. Oh my God. Joel holds the frame. He really holds the frame. I mean, hottest person in America. Yeah, it's really crazy.

The theme of waiting is so perfectly, I don't know, like, encapsulated. And I just think that's a really hard thing to pull off in a movie. Waiting. Because it's not active. It's not active. How do you get that compelling? Right. But there's something in the sort of timeline of waiting for, like, hiv diagnosis to come back that also just like i think you

treated very very very well thank you well you know it's really interesting i'm like not an actor like even being here talking on this podcast i'm like truly sweating i'm so nervous but um something i learned the most about writing in an acting class i was forced to take in college which is basically like it's objective based, right? Like you have to give someone an objective. And for me, it's impossible for me to write characters that are not active. And so

something that's funny that happened is I sort of overdid it because it is a movie about waiting. And then during the pandemic when all I was doing was... No! And now it's something we're so familiar with. Yeah, well, all I was doing was sort of smoking weed and getting high with Matthew and eating and eating donuts that his mom katrina would send and we gained a lot we gained a lot of weight but basically we were like just binging survivor and eating donuts and smoking weed and i was like there's not a moment in this movie where

caleb goes through that and so i wrote this entire thread in the middle of the pandemic we had already shot half of it where he's, I was like, he needs to binge something, but we have no money. What can we get for free? And I was like, Oh my God,

the real world. And then you thought of Pedro. And I was like, it's such an important thing for me, for this film to honor the queer generations that came before us. It's so paramount. Plus, plus.

And, and Pedro was the first openly paused person ever on television. It was the first same sex commitment ceremony ever televised. And the, the ability and the honor of putting that in the movie is something I'm like very, very grateful for. And,

um, yeah, just we're all waiting right now. So I hope it resonates with people. Absolutely. And I think that opening, I remember even reading, when you sent me the screenplay,

I like read it. And I just, that, that first, that opening image just stuck with me. It's so indelible where it's like, it's him waiting at, and this is not a spoiler.

It's the first thing you see in the movie, but it's Caleb on a tandem bicycle by himself, waiting for this gate to open up basically like a bridge or something. Drawbridge. Drawbridge. Yeah. Sorry. And God, just like, just like just so perfect i for me i like this is i love movies it's like with novels where the first sentence of a novel tells you everything you need to know about about the novel i love movies where the first shot tells you everything you need to know and he's on a tandem bike alone waiting for this bridge to come down yeah and get to the other side and that's

just what the movies and then not to spoil but i he can get to the other side. And that's just what the movie's about. And then not to spoil, but I feel like the best films are very aware of the first and the last image. The main character in the last image of Caleb is just really, really perfect. Perfectly set against the first. As a Tracy Flick, I'm a symmetry girl. So the beginning of the movie mirrors the end

of the movie with one very important difference. Yes. I won't give it away, but... But I never go, oh, it's too on the nose for the symmetry to be that apparent. I think, no, that is like... Satisfying. It's so satisfying. And you have to... It's sort of necessary if you want the character art to be

something that the audience can walk away from going, that's what it is. Which is what's most important. Exactly. Yeah. So I just want to go back to one thing that I was told I was not allowed to make my culture because you guys talk about it too much on the podcast already was Juno? no it was Taylor it was Taylor first of all I didn't tell him that he couldn't do anything

okay I said he was deciding between two things we can talk about Taylor absolutely what are you doing? first of all I'm not doing anything are you transitioning out of this topic to go to culture that was for culture was for me? I just want to talk about Taylor really quickly.

We can transition to whatever. That was my second question. I want to say before we before we get into this, I did not tell him anything. He said, I have two ideas for culture. You are muzzle. I don't micromanage Jared. You are muzzler. He gave me two ideas for culture and one of them was Taylor.

And I said, if you're deciding between the two, we talk about Taylor a lot. But Jared is the biggest Swifty in the room right now. And I feel like a lot of our listeners are Swifties. Okay, so say what you want to say, Mama. Okay. I was asking you about the decision to make Caleb. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. To ask to love Taylor and for Caleb to be like.

Yes, return to this. So the first thing that i'll say is when i was writing this in 2013 i it was a very emotional experience because it's a very honest screenplay and i felt too close to caleb and it was fucking me the fuck up and i was like how do i make this kid someone who is definitively not me and i was like oh my god he doesn't like Taylor Swift. Because I am so deeply and grossly obsessed with her. Anyone you meet, it's like 99% of my personality is Taylor Swift. 1% is being a Jewish person with a weak stomach. That's truly

all there is to me. A very simple math. And this is 2011. The movie takes place in 2011, so this is pre-red. This is Speak Now era, where it was very easy to rag on her. Where it was, please don't be in love with someone else. Please don't have somebody waiting on you. I mean, when I was in 2012, I placed top five out of 10,000 contestants in the Taylor Swift biggest fan contest because I wrote a 15-page essay and I met her at the basement of the Staples Center and she is absolutely perfect.

And my favorite joke from that essay is when I was talking about why Taylor and I were the same, cause red, which was the album is the color. That's also in my name, J A R E D. You're welcome. But, and I was like, Oh my gosh, feeling when you got a color,

feeling when you got a color in the name, got a color in the name, honey, just me and Fred. Couldn't be me. No, no, no,

no. Um, so I basically went up to Taylor Swift and it was like, um, I was like, uh, thank you for writing 22 because I'm also 22. And she was like, Oh my God, you're so funny was like I was like thank you for writing 22 because I'm also 22 and she was like oh my god

you're so funny and I was like I'm not you say this to everyone but in my essay I was like at one point we both love the Jonas Brothers and at another point we both got over that and I was like oh my god I'm the gayest person on the planet but no it's bad but I'm obsessed with her

and so you made that and so that was like that was a character yeah sort of texture on caleb and because troy is friends with taylor it's like it's a funny wink well he also like ran the lines by her to be like did he really yeah yeah yeah yeah because i was because you were talking about maybe the fact that she would see it or like that he was going to maybe show it to her or something and And I was like, well, the character doesn't like her. Well, what the line is, fuck you for making me like Taylor Swift. So he does end up liking her. Once Esther, like they fall in love.

The catalyst for their me cute is because they like the connection is Taylor. Because he says a line that is the truest thing about me, which is sometimes I feel like she steals my journal and writes about my life which is why i love taylor well i think everyone feels like that which is why she's such a great writer i mean for me and i know you guys talk about this on the podcast all the time but as like a closeted gay kid when i first fell in love with her when i was 16 when our song came out and tim mcgrath came out i was like oh the only emotion that resonates with me is pining because I'm someone who has unrequited love and it's, you know, I'm closeted. She's pining better than anyone else.

Anyone else. Pining, yearning, wanting. And she's able to synthesize that with a lyric and a sound sonically that just is such an incredible marriage that is so specific and so detail oriented but also universal and just stays with you for fucking ever.

And I've seen her 15 times, and I'm so nervous for her to see this film. I hope she likes it. I'm sure she'll love it. And she's my entire life. But she's not my culture. And you know what? Accurately, she's not my culture.

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Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along. You spot a brook. You put your lips to the crystal clear water and bam, a fucking bullet goes through your brain. Marissa Tomei, my cousin Vinny my cousin wow this really he does know every line every line famous for your mud has a chinese food literally my favorite movie it was something that like i i i bonded with my family like my family we're from florida i'm from miami but we're brooklyn jews who basically they

snowboarded with my grandparents and never left because there was a beach and it was warm classic so my my parents are you know vinnie and mona lisa vito and what a good name cousins brothers uncles first of all my family's on the car business like my like she says in the movie my father's in the car business my brother my uncle on my father's side like i'm the only one who's not in the car business and we can quote it it made us feel alive and like family and it was also like the first movie i stand where it had life or death stakes but it was funny and the the the thing that made the protagonist an outsider is also the thing that saves the day in the end which in my opinion is very queer that which makes you different is actually your superpower. That is interesting.

I've never seen it. You've never seen it? Well, and this is actually a huge moment because My Cousin Vinny is really good. Of course, I know this. Talk about a great script. Oh my God, incredible. Like, it's so, it's just, it's really good.

And Joe Pesci is incredible, but the story of it is Marissa Tomei. I mean, Marissa Tomei as Mona Lisa Vito, she won the Oscar. People don't think, there are still people out there who don't think it's true that she won. Right, that is like a, oh, Mandela effect, new Mandela effect just dropped. Yeah, hello. People really don't think that she won? People really don't think she won because they're convinced that up against her competition, which was like all older British dramatic actresses that year was like, it was like

Lynn Redgrave's like a year to win or something. Was it supporting or lead? Supporting. Although it's a big part. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, she's number two on the call. She clear. Yes.

Like, but, and she's like the female lead. But she is so fucking funny in it. Astounding. And she absolutely crushes. Crushes. Like six comedic set pieces. And she is the climax of them. Oh my God. And it's just like, you got to see this.

She was the first drag queen I ever saw. Yeah. That's how i feel about that performance i was like she's fabulous she's smart i want to be her she's sexy it's a heightened version of femininity that you hadn't seen it it was unbelievable and to this day it also like makes all these lists of movies that get um law like accurately that's true yeah yeah it's like it's like accurate in terms of like how a court case like that would play out like it sort of predates like i guess legally blonde in that way

like legally blonde wasn't that accurate no it was not no tino shade but yeah vinny is legally blonde made it seem like made law seem like a mystery yeah yeah which i still am obsessed although the thing of the thing too about my cousin Vinny is like it's just in terms of chemistry Joe Pesci and Marissa Tomei they're amazing Joe doesn't get the credit from the queers Joe Pesci never misses

never I mean Home Alone stand-up Home Alone Goodfellas I'm like that is a genius performance from him unreal just a madman I've never I mean his performance in Goodfellas i'm like unreal genius performance from him unreal just a madman i've never i mean his performance in goodfellas it's like you know it's a movie so these people aren't real but like i like whenever i'm terrified it's scary it's him and that first and that first thing when they're at like that restaurant oh my god i was just like god this is crazy it's it's it's real it's very accurate to what happens when someone like loses their rule like

because it's of course yes it's anger it's it's anger portrayed so bracingly and scarily and it's that kind of thing like i think we all know people who it starts like you think they're kidding and then it goes into this place and especially to track that like as a filmmaker like martin scorsese is incredible because like as a performance as like a scene it really works because it catches you by surprise where it goes yeah and like it's because it's measured and i would say obviously that's a dramatic performance but as a comedic actor he's insane of course he is like he's like an unsung like comedic icon yeah like and you mentioned home alone and i think people don't even like oh you mentioned home alone it's like you you don't even take

into account how difficult it is to give that good of a comedic performance and he's he needs to be the cop in the beginning beginning and then he needs to come back and you need to be able to root for Macaulay but also you're not going to care about what happens to these two guys if they're not flushed out in some way.

Also, to do a performance that's funny where he's constantly in pain. Not easy at all. Buckets of paint to the face, truly slipping on's, like, constantly in pain. Yes, yeah. It's, like, not easy. Oh, my God. Not easy at all. Buckets of paint to the face, truly slipping on ice, like, nail gun in his gonads.

Truly, I mean, gets electrified, his hair catches on fire, has to go in the toilet. Like, it's a clown car of pain. Clown college. It's Com Brigade, Com Parade. Yeah. But basically, like, also, too, the thing about My Cous cousin vinny is it it's tonally it is such

a fine line oh yeah because it's fish out of water like there are these like brooklyn people like down in the south like dealing with this and she feels she's big yeah because she's mona lisa veto and like she's got these crazy monologues and it's like it's truly like it's like it's almost a play a lot of it sure it's so much like the scenes are long and she's got these crazy monologues but she still feels grounded and like a real person and i remember after she won that oscar it almost like was like because people were so surprised it was like well who even is this person right and she had to prove it so many times again and again and again and again and she's got i think two nominations since then yeah which is the

wrestler and in the bedroom which are two completely different performances from each other and from her original win right and this is why i'm always like we need to be giving more attention to the comedic performances oh yeah and if that can win there's no reason why rachel mcadams shouldn't win in mean girls like absolutely it's just and so whenever these big comedic performances come along like i do i am one of those people who was like if tiffany haddish had gotten it for a girl's trip i would not have been mad at all i feel like she was vindicated with the la la land moonlight thing because we all learned that

if they ever announce the wrong name, they'll come out and they'll say we're wrong. People were like, oh, the presenter just announced her name but it wasn't her, but now we know that the Oscars themselves came out and were like, she did get the most votes. Period. It's such a good performance.

For the noms? For the win. For the win. When she won, people were like, oh, you're talking about, I think you're talking about Tiffany for a second. Oh, no, no, no, no. Marissa, Marissa, Marissa. Marissa wins,

and then it was like, no, she didn't. Oh, yes, I heard about this. And everyone was like, Jack Palance is old, and he read the thing off, he didn't do it right. And they were like,

no, she won. Period. God, yeah. I mean, the dialogue is indelible, even for someone who hasn't seen it. I mean, I don't want to reference anything. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.

We can't spoil, but... But no, no, no. I'm just going to say, the fact that I know the defense is wrong, and my biological clock is ticking like this, those are film phrases. Let's just say that the iconography of her performance will appear in a movie that's coming out. Yes, yes, yes. Mrs. Vito, please answer the question. Does the defendant's case hold water the best?

No, the defense is wrong. I always think Matt would do an amazing Marissa Tomei impression. If you're on Snatch Game, that's your Snatch Game. Marissa Tomei. It's your culture. It's Mona Lisa Vito. It's Mona Lisa Vito. But what a good culture. And also, Bowen, you will enjoy the movie.

Of course I will. You'll really like it. It's one of those movies that I'm like, oh, why haven't I? The Karate Kids in it. Herman Munster's in it. All these, you know, famous other people. Tell me it's, oh, why haven't I? It's a really good script. The Karate Kids in it. Herman Munster's in it. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. All these, you know, famous other people. Don't, tell me it's, what, 1980-something without telling me. 1991. 91. One?

1991, 1992, I think. I think. Without telling me. But, like, holds the hell up. Of course, of course, of course. You know what's interesting, though? And not to, like, and I do want your thoughts on this but it's interesting that someone in the year of our lord 2022 you hi says the the first scene of the movie should say everything about the movie and you are not a power of the dog stand wow to call me out like that so

publicly on this podcast that's okay that's where i here to listen. You stepped into the arena. Here's what I'll say. I would love to see the film again. I need to see it again. Because I'm wrong constantly. Wow, that's huge of him to... Okay. Matthew. But here's what I'll say. He thinks he got COVID

in Disney World. Do you remember when we went to... Matt made me get COVID. No, I didn't. I'm so confused. When we went to Puerto Vallarta for New Year's a couple years ago. Yes, that's right. And then- Pre-COVID, everyone! We were not gays over COVID. It was New Year's 2020. It was New Year's 2020. As in January 1st, 2020.

And then you guys went to Orlando right afterwards, and then you guys both got very sick. No, we did not both get very sick. Jared got very sick. Jared, listen. This is what I'll say. And that's one of Jared's. Listen. This is what I'll say. And that's one of Jared's famous lines. This is what I'll say. This is what I'll say. So we left Puerto Vallarta to go to Orlando, Florida.

Yep. Can we say what time the flight was? The only flight I could get us to make sure that we would get like three full days was like five in the morning. So we had partied all night, had to leave at the ass crack of dawn for the airport. And I said, Matt, Matt, I don't have a great constitution he doesn't have if someone sneezes in iowa and i'm in la i will get sick uh-huh so we get in the plane i think everything's fine he's sleeping on the plane it's fine i'm i'm there i see him i'm taking care of him yeah and then we get there that's strong and i swear to god if we woke up he had a fever he's covered in sweat he's like i can't i can't move so i had to do like a full day

in disney by myself because he his body broke yeah my body my body shuts down listen i'm i get it but you don't have covid for four hours and then not have it anymore. No, yeah, that's not how. You did not have COVID. I am patient zero. No, you're not. In January of 2020, I got COVID. Oh, my God. No, you didn't. And it was right before I left to shoot the film. And I just finally went on Rise of the Resistance two weeks ago. Can we talk about it?

Jared loves. You have not been on it? I still haven't been on it. Bowen, it sucks that you were here for so long and we never went. I have not been to a park in what feels like eons well maybe maybe we should go soon maybe maybe you keep threatening me and being like we'll go to orlando you threaten me what do you mean i threaten you i always say we should go and then you're like i can't i'm working and i'm like bitch what do you think i'm doing okay same thing with

don't call me a don't you are a bitch that hurts me and it's very cruel to say bitch. Jared came in and we're all sniping at each other. No, we're not. We're sniping at Matt. He's been sort of threatening me with the dragging. Like, I'm going to get into it. Like, what? What? I'm lovely.

Well, let's just really quickly pivot. Sure. Because I think I... Mention it all. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not doing that. Yeah, I want to do this I want to bring the conversation

anything else we want to say about my cousin Vinny no no no no I've said it all it's the culture somehow this came up last night what where each of us had to name

our top ten tailors and I got through two and then we were our uber came you got through three and they were all from one album yeah yeah yeah you said

you said style blank space and wildest dreams I got through four because then I said ench one album. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You said Style, Blank Space, and Wildest Dreams. I got through four because then I said Enchanted. I would like to edit mine, but okay, you want to finish up your list? No, I want you guys to go first. Say your top ten. I'll go first. Yeah.

Okay. I will maintain that her most underrated song is, in my opinion, her best. I wish you would. This is like a crazy opinion. Everybody, go back and listen to it. It is the most, it is the one song on that whole album that fulfills, besides Out of the Woods, which is like Annie Lennox,

I Wish You Would is like full-on arena rock. It's full-on like stadium rock 80s. I don't disagree with you that it's great. I just think that all you had to do was stay is stronger. New Romantics is stronger.

No, no, no. Wonderland is stronger. Oh my God, no. You're dead wrong. You're such a bitch. You're a fucking bitch. You're a fucking bitch. I wish,

this is the best moment of my life. I wish you would. I wish you would shut the fuck up. I wish you would fall down a treacherous mountain Can I say something about I wish you would before we go on shut the fuck up I wish you would I wish you would stop being can I say something

about I wish you would before we go on the thing that I love about 1989 is Taylor Swift takes the style of other artists who we stan

and creates her own version of the song this is a 1989 house no one needs to convince us you know who did that Gaga on the Fame Monster absolutely

absolutely with Taylor with Blank Space, tell me that's not a Lorde song. Tell me that's not a Lorde song. It's not a Lorde song. It's a Lorde song with, like, a Drake beat. With, like, a hip-hop of that time,

which was, like, Drake was huge. With a Taylor lyric, wildest dreams, tell me that's not influenced by Lana. Lana. I hate this. And I wish you would. It's time, you think.

It's time. I don't disagree. That's Danielle, girl. That's forever. It danielle but it she marries it with like oh it's original it's subversive i'm not saying she's stealing i think the best art is when you borrow from people that you love and you make it your own which is what she did on that album and it's why she's such a gifted artist but i fucking love i wish you would yes okay okay i just think i just i just i will always go to that song when i'm i'm not in the mood for all kinds of taylor all the time yeah i'm always in the mood for i wish you would yeah okay and if any reader publicist out there relates please hit me up i

would love to have this conversation i'm sure they will i just don't understand them i think they should be in the sanitarium i wish wish you would, treacherous. Treacherous. Wildest dreams. Thank you for saying wildest dreams. Blank space. August. You did not say style last night. I did not say style last night,

and thank you for pushing me. You're stealing my shit. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. You're a bitch. Sparks fly. The way you move Is like a Full on Rainstorm And I'm a

House of cards Oh my god So did you Have you heard the original Sparks fly Where she had to change The lyrics in the second verse What were the original

Go on the YouTube The YouTube That's how old I am Please kill me now The YouTube The YouTube And go to the YouTube And

And YouTube The original Sparks fly Okay okay Um I feel like I'm now talking like Tomas who I stan oh my god we love Tomas and it's like

it's she changed the lyrics because she like got older and it wasn't appropriate but Sparks Fly was a song she wrote for her first album

did not go on the first album fell back in love with it and she put it on Speak Now she wrote that song when she was 15 yeah and that is that's how you know it is the quintess on Speak Now. She wrote that song when she was 15. Yeah. And that is, that's how you know

it is the quintessence of Taylor. Yeah, absolutely. In that song. Absolutely. Okay. I've got two more. This is the best.

Don't fuck up it. Don't fuck up it. There's one you said last night from Evermore. Oh, Ivy. My favorite. And I'm going to say

my last one, Cool Summer. See the dream high in the quiet of the night you know that I want it justice for Olivia Rodrigo do you know have you guys discussed

on the pod about what happened with their friendship because of that song what not because of New Year's Day because she sampled it because she basically

no that was she asked to do that okay but am I gonna get cancelled for this no but um the tea is. Uh-huh.

Olivia borrowed. That's the word I'll use. Others will say stole. Uh-huh. I'm going to say borrowed. Okay. The bridge of Cruel Summer for the bridge of Deja Vu. And retroactively.

What's the bridge? I know you get deja vu. Oh. Strawberry ice cream in Malibu. I'm tone deaf, so I won't destroy your ears. I know you get deja vu. I don't want to keep secrets just to keep you in it. Interesting.

So she had to give retroactive songwriting credit. She did a lot of that on that album. I know. I feel weird about it. A lot of it is like, I guess she's like doing her She's doing what she should be doing She's amazing All music is like four chords

Yeah but you can't just rip a melody line That album is not as strong as people think Yeah Alright you said it not me Oh But anyway Yeah Love Cruel Summer

Love Cruel Summer It's certainly not like People are acting like it's like Jagged Little Pill It's fucking not But if you notice It's a solid debut from a talented girl We listen to sour we don't really know who she is it's mostly about a boy about one breakup and it's like here's what i'll say not it's not a debut she used to say in interviews all the time when people would ask her what artist do you emulate

who do you love she would be like taylor taylor taylor taylor and since that happened she has stopped saying that and she says like, Gaga's the greatest performer. I will say, we can cut this out. When I interviewed her for V Magazine, I brought up like, like they had in the list of questions, like talked to her about Taylor.

And I was like, okay. And I was like, what was it like meeting Taylor at the Brit Awards? And she's like, really kind of like, she plays over. She's like, it was nice.

And I was like, oh, something happened. I didn't, I didn't realize it was about to happen. Yeah. Yeah. But my 10 songs Okay Here's Jared's 10

Here's my 10 Number one Delicate The greatest pop song That's ever been written I'm sorry I'm not on the Delicate team Oh my god

The first time I heard Delicate I stopped listening to Reputation And listened to it 15 times Wait oh my god I didn't have no Reputation Representation on my list I already did yours And you're a fucking bitch

Do you want to do Honorable mentions Honorable mentions From Rep From Rep Okay Dress And fucking Dress Fucking no reputation representation on the money list I already did yours and you're a fucking bitch do you want to do honorable mentions honorable mentions from rep from rep okay dress and fucking dress

fucking are you guys ready for this not ready for it but endgame gets so much shit one of my favorite Taylor Swift videos it's such a good song

if you haven't seen the video check it out it goes hard yeah like I bury hatchets but keep maps of where I put them

gag anyway okay you go delicate delicate's my number one for me again talking about the synthesizing of a lyric and an emotion and a sound together it's like that song feels and like the spaces when she's singing the chorus is it cool that i said all that is it chill that you're in my head the way she's saying it without the music like it actually is delicate and you like feel it it's so internal and it's it's so such an incredible song um i'm obsessed all too well which is like a boring choice but it is just maybe the greatest song that's ever been written by any human in all time um you're welcome um i will say ivy my favorite song off of evermore the only song on evermore

she wrote with both jack and the guy from the national which is a gag treacherous again talk about pining talk about i'm talking about the sound of falling in love i told her that to her face i saw that clip and i literally screamed out loud it was that promo it was the promo and they didn't use it but like i they like it was online it was online no no i texted it to you oh this is i'm high way too much i don't know what Matt texts me and what I find on the internet. But, oh my God. Two headlights shine on the sleepless night. And I will get you, get you alone. Nothing safe is worth the drive.

And I will follow you home. That's my favorite Taylor Swift lyric of all time. Nothing safe is worth the drive. That's four. And then I would do, I would do, I have to go in like album order. I would do our song, which made

me fall in love with her. To write that song by yourself at 15 with those specifics, get out of here. Asking God if he could play it again. Play it again. I would say You Belong With Me just for nostalgia's sake. I would say... That is a queer song. That is you pining for your unattainable, emotionally

unavailable object of affection. And then I would go Holy Ground, August, and The One. Wow. The One? In her top ten of all her catalog? I love The One.

The One, we, I remember when Folkler first came out and you and I, Matt and I both went, what's your choice for an opener? But I love it. Here's the thing, I don't dislike the one at all in fact i don't dislike it at all but well first of all we should say that bone and i were trying to listen to the album and we were in grata title of miss home and she and studio were talking and it was disrespectful and they should have shut up they were putting on they were trying on clothes and going where was that they were they were sort of trying on clothes and being like do you think this They were sort of trying on clothes and being like,

do you think this shirt looks good on me? Et cetera. And we were like, we're listening to Taylor now. That's you need to stop. When folklore first came out. Yes. Literally midnight,

midnight. Where was I? Oh, you know what? I was walking around my neighborhood alone in the dark, literally listening to it on repeat. Perfect. Perfect.

Perfect. That's how I did reputation. Like I remember reputation came out when I was on a Story Pirates tour. Shout out to the giraffe that didn't know my most played song on Spotify every year. You guys have to check it out. It's a Matt original from Story Pirates where he gives a Kelly Clarkson bridge.

You've never heard it. Sorry, a Kelly Breanne bridge. He really listens to the giraffe. I listen to it almost every day in the shower. So sweet. It's my track on Spotify, youify you guys yeah you got to check it out um but anyway uh what was i saying oh reputation i like walked around and like like soaked it up and it was so amazing are you ready for my 10 i guess i'm just gonna knock this out in one from 1989 there are three of my favorite taylor swift songs of all time and i do think that that they should be on any taylor swift fans list and that is blank space and style and then i would

say wildest dreams is one of my favorite songs of all time because it's actually my favorite type of song which is that sort of like romantic windswept like ballad but with activation like and i mean like i just absolutely love it i wildest dreams i could listen to it set to a heartbeat by the way which is why we love taylor it's always those details that make the song right i would like to stop here and say that an honorable mention for me which will appear on no one else's list but i don't want to leave 1989 the album without saying it wonderland is no you're in welcome to new york i think is such a goofy song and i think that so much of taylor is hip hip pop pop pop walk walk walk walk white girl stomp and that is welcome to new york and the fact that she opened her best album with a song that people

don't like it is not and that it was and that it was it's not her best it's her it's her thriller it's her it's her thriller but it's not her best album is anyway this is literally my time do it girl um and so that's my honorable mention i just want to throw it out there moving forward hold on can i just say just like for I think what's what is informing your affection your emotional connection to this song

is when you and I saw her live 1989 world tour and one of the best nights of my life we were plastered and she opens

with welcome to New York and that was the moment where we all like you and I keyed into her like turning around you don't even know

smiling it was so fun it was like oh my god did you see the 1989 world tour girl three times okay when they gave us those glow up bracelets and we weren't drinking those like three foot tall margaritas i was living my life oh my god the 24 bud lights i was absolutely yeah remember we were so mad bowen wasn't catatonic because he paid $180 for an Uber oh yeah yeah yeah

it was so he couldn't stop thinking about it all night was this New York? it was MetLife Stadium in New Jersey I saw her in New Jersey so her blank space when she says the city name she would go and then she would go

during the bridge Jersey! Yeah, she'd go, Jersey! And I was kind of like, she wishes she could say New York. East Rutherford! East Rutherford! No, but okay, so those three. Oh my god, did you see Teresa there?

Did you see Melissa there? Did you see any of the girls there? I don't think they like Taylor Swift. That's not true. I think they like Bon Jovi. Okay, whatever. Anyway, so those three. Moving forward, I would say, you have to give it up to Love Story. Incredible. true i think they look like bon jovi okay whatever anyway um so those three moving forward i would

say you have to give it up to love story incredible story because we were both young whenever i saw you like that's like iconic iconic so i would say those are four and then honestly moving forward through time on reputation i do have to give it up to Delicate. Like, Delicate has to be in there. We're going to convert here. Number six, I would say, and this is in no particular order, but Dear John. Dear John. I don't know. Dear John, I absolutely love.

And I'm obsessed with the fact that she wrote a John Mayer song to drag John Mayer. I love it. That guitar riff. And I said, if All Too Well is a 12 minute music video, we need to be looking out for

a 40 minute feature film of Dear John. Okay. Written and directed by Taylor Swift. So those are six. Then I would say, and Reputation is, I think my favorite album but i'm gonna give only delicate on the list that's fair treacherous and all too well that's seven

and eight and that's gonna be red for me from folklore and it's not to say that i dislike lover because i actually would give another honorable mention to the song Lover which I think is incredible it's just not in the top 10 from Folklore I'm gonna say August and from Evermore this is gonna be my wildcard choice

Happiness. I love Happiness I love that song. I think it's some of the best writing she's ever done. Absolutely. Of course I agree, I agree I think it's some of the best writing she's ever done. Absolutely. Of course. I agree. I agree. I am still, for whatever reason, never with the instinct that I should put on Evermore. Like, do a full playthrough. You know what I did?

I put it in... Well, you're in New York, so you don't have this. But I bought the CD and I put it in my car, so it always comes on. And you have to listen to it. I'm forced to listen to it. And I have to say it's one of my favorite

albums of hers now well Evermore Evermore this is going to be controversial I think Evermore is stronger than Folklore no no no

I think a lot of people share that a lot of people I think a lot of people think that there's something about Folklore where it it's sort of like

the perfect cosmic album at the right time for me and I think for everybody we listened to that album in my kitchen oh yeah and it was And it was,

and it was like, you know, Patti LuPone was driving around to it and being like, she's like our best songwriter. When Patti LuPone tweeted that she was literally obsessed with folklore. I was like, never did I think I would see the day. That Patti LuPone.

Ever. I get it. Because Taylor Swift is such an amazing storyteller. I know. And that's what's important to Patti, an actress. Half of my quarantine was Matt just like screaming August in his kitchen

my to lose that's the part he was saying but you weren't mine oh no my honorable mention the thing that is just neck and neck with August in my listing is Mirrorball because it's the only

song on the album where she's kind of acknowledging the present circumstance of COVID. Yes! When the rodeo clowns go home, when there's nothing, what is her worth when there's no one around? She's a mirrorball, she's a disco ball, she's reflecting everybody off

of her, but when no one's around, who is she? I have to amend my list and remove the one as an honorable mention and put Mirrorball. Thank you. she's so good at shoegaze it's a sound that fits her lyrical style and her vocal qualities so well when shoegaze was dead yeah when that genre of like indie i don't know like there weren't that many people holding on the floor and then she comes back in and i think there honestly has been this shift back to like, I'm listening to the genre much more now. Absolutely. You guys have to listen to Waxahachie.

You have to listen to Snail Mail. You guys have to listen to the girls. Snail Mail is my life. Oh my God. Valentine. Valentine's incredible. And so you want to erase me. Did you hear the demo?

No. So she has a demo and it's called, fuck, I forgot what it's a lyric from. It was before she called it Valentine. It was the thing. And it's called, fuck, I forgot what it's a lyric from. It was before she called it Valentine. It was the thing. And it's just like, she's such a genius. And before the soundtrack of three months, before it's all, it's mostly queer. Yeah. And, but before we decided to make it 2011 or before to keep it period,

with like one notable exception, Snail Mail was in there. Or J-Som was in there. Snail Mail is like, I mean, that album, I've been wearing it the fuck out. So you got to listen to it. Itom was in there Snail Mail is like I mean that album I've been wearing it the fuck out it's so you gotta listen to it it's called Valentine

by Snail Mail you will love it you will like it um fucking I just gotta say I love the acoustic version of Trouble in the movie it's

thank you it's so beautiful thank you yeah so it's weird cause like Troy I wanted people to be invested in him

as Caleb and I felt like but you didn't want to distract with him singing the song exactly so I was like let's didn't want to distract with him singing the song so I was like let's find some really he doesn't sing over picture his version of the songs are at the end credits

but I was like let's find some really cool queer artists for you to write these songs with and duet with so that they can sing it over picture and J-Som gave like the most beautiful acoustic intimate version of Trouble for that 4th of July beach montage and Gordy does wait at the end, which makes Matt cry.

It's Matt's favorite part. The fucking overhead beach shots? How did you do that? Okay, so the gag is, it was supposed to be filmed on our last day in Florida. So you did shoot in Florida for some reason? We did. So we did Atlanta and Miami. So all of our exteriors mostly

are Miami, and then our interiors were Atlanta for the tax break. Money, honey. That's kind of how we did so we did atlanta and miami yeah so all of our exteriors mostly are miami and then our interiors were atlanta for the tax break money honey right that's kind of how we did fire island well because i was because i was looking at i i was like oh i knew that they shot this in in atlanta and i was going well the exteriors were giving me money it feels miami the whole and it was miami yeah we we really and even in the interiors i worked with my production designer katherine eater who's a genius to really bring the feeling of Florida inside. You know, art deco, pastels, green, you know, plants and just that sort of vibe. But, yeah, it was like I didn't want people to be taken out because it was Troy.

Right. No, I totally, I got that immediately. I was like, oh yeah, this would be a completely different evocation if it was Troy singing over Troy. Oh yeah. You know, walking around. But God, like I specifically love you like giving us Miami overcast. Oh honey.

Well, oh sorry. The beach shot. It was too windy. We couldn't, we couldn't shoot it there. So we filmed the shot. We do a plate, which is basically where you put Troy on a green screen on the floor. And we shoot a plate of his face. Shoot a plate of his face.

And then we farmed it out to the South Africa unit. We found this great production company in South Africa. And they filmed that shot on a beach in South Africa. Like directing and doing it over Zoom and through email to figure it out. And then we superimposed it in post and it's sort of like a visual effect. But for me, that was something Shannon and our DP who's like brilliant.

What else has she done? She's done a movie called The Third Wife which she was nominated for an Indie Spirit Award for. She's a Thai cinematographer who is just like queer and just like incredible and I feel like Caleb and Dara's relationship in a weird way

was mirrored by like me and Shanna's relationship but she's just so beautiful and that was in her lookbook when she like interviewed for the job the concept of that shot and I was like oh my god we're gonna steal that we're gonna put it in the film

one of my favorite visuals. Yeah. Yeah. Both times. Yeah. Twice. Twice. Yeah.

Yeah. Both times I was like, Oh wow. Yeah. Again, sort of like in a movie about time, those shots were used to sort of like, it's like my in a,

to the lighthouse with Virginia Woolf or like time passes and brackets. And it's like a way to jump. Like those are my brackets. That's my way to like pause one era of the film and, and jump on time. And yeah. God, just love it.

I mean, everyone, please go, please see it right now. And it's out today. And basically what you do is you, you download Paramount plus, and so it should show up as an icon on your TV.

And then you click it. And really, if you have Drag Race, if you like to watch Drag Race, all stars, you might already have the Paramount Plus app. You go on there, you're going to be able to watch three months. Written and directed by Jared Frieder and starring Troye Sivan, Ellen Burstyn, Louis Gossett Jr. I mean, Judy Greer, Amy Landecker, who's also fantastic. We haven't spent the time. Unreal. So great. Brianne Chu and Vivek Kalra. What an amazing

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On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.

Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.

At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. Guess what, folks? We're teammates again, and we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm'm a dude you're a dude and dudes on dudes is our brand new show we're gonna highlight players peers guys that we played against legends from the past and we're just gonna sit here and talk about them and we'll get into the types of dudes what kind of types of

dudes are there grunts we got studs wizards we got freaks or dudes dude we got dogs dog we'll break down their games we'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are is randy moss a stud or a freak is tom brady a dog or dudes dude we're gonna find out jules new episodes drop every thursday during the nfl season listen to dudes on dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest

and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I

was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. It is time to move on to I Don't Think So, Honey, which is our one-minute segment where we, how do you say,

take 60 seconds to rant against something in culture that really deserves to be dragged the hell through the mud. Yeah. And I have something okay this is amazing what an amazing surprise this will be matt rogers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey i was cut from three months basically i came in and i think what happened was i made such an impression in my screen time that they thought that they they thought you know jared and the filmmakers, they were like, basically

everyone's gonna think now that this character comes, like, this actor is so searing on screen that they're gonna think, oh, he's like a new character in the movie. So, they thought, like, Addison Montgomery vibes. I think Addison Montgomery vibes, like, Addison Montgomery Shepard vibes, where they were like, we would have to

at least do a spin-off, and there's not necessarily the money for that, but basically, like, i was giving you arm i was giving you i was a really good arm day for me they dressed me well i actually brought my own wardrobe to be honest with you and i was having a really amazing time on set had amazing chemistry with troy as the director has even admitted to and basically i think i was cut because i made too much of an impression and they hate it when like the star sort of gets blown away on camera by another actor. And sort of I think I came in and did that. And maybe we'll work together in the future.

I don't know. I'm available for projects going forward. And that's one minute. Can I just say, I was so nervous about what I was going to say for I Don't Think So, Honey. Because I was like, I hope it's not too mean. And now I'm really excited. No, we're going there. Yeah.

And now I kind of want to i'm trying to think of something for me that i can get really personal not with anyone in the room but just i just want to say the character in the script was described as hot bartender danny and i was like i don't know jared and he was like no you should do it and i went down and did it and i skipped work and i went down and did it only to be cut and it really hurt my heart because i knew how much i gave the film and i feel that you know it's really tough but i also know that life is very long and my career will be very long aren't you happy you got cast in a role where the character's name is literally hot danny like doesn't that make you feel good i guess i didn't

do i didn't really do a great job oh my god i can't speak to this anymore you can't speak to this anymore interesting okay it just hurts so much yeah i know but who do you who do you blame for this who do i let jared for jared yeah okay um okay so this is Bowen Yang's time. Now, Bowen Yang, do you have a topic? It just came to me and I think it's so perfect. Here we go. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.

I Don't Think So Honey, the movie, three months being set in summer 2011 and there's not one mention of the album Born This Way by Lady Gaga. It was dominating the cultural conversation at the time. It truly was. In a room full of queer people discussing their community why is lady gaga invisibilized that movie crazy it's insane

taylor swift exists in this universe but lady gaga does not stephanie germanotta strasburg stanislavski sense memory train circle in the square legend all that and nothing and nothing 30 seconds don't Don't disrespect Gaga. The only person who can hold a candle a boy smells candle to Taylor Swift herself. Now, I need to see a version of

I need to, the listeners need to take screenshots of three months, Photoshop Lady Gaga in or a speech bubble of someone saying my favorite track off of the album is Government Hooker. You have to keep going. Five seconds, Government Hooker. Five seconds. Government Hooker. Heavy Metal Lover. Her closest thing to an instrumental song. Amazing.

We love seeing Gaga being pushed in a new direction. I can't see what she does next in the year 2018. That's one minute. It will be my dream coming true if people take screenshots of this movie and put Gaga in it. The readers are very activated. Whenever we ask them to do something,

they do it. Artistic. Artistic. We ask the readers to draw a picture, they draw the picture. Wow. And we love them for it. We love the readers. Can we stop and say we love the readers. Readers, publicists. It's the readers. And you might get rewarded very soon over the summer for something. All I'm saying is

clear your schedules for the summer you motherfuckers the readers are so dear to us and if I could hug every single one of you I would I really would we love you so much and you better put the speech bubble in for three months saying

gaga stand them or else we don't love you anymore can you guys do bloody mary which is like what I would have done what is my favorite from that up I think Government Hooker Shiza and

Heavy Metal Lover Shiza fucking goes hard but also Judas is like Judas is a bad romance like carbon copy Judas Judas

Judas Judas it's so crazy I mean Marry the Night Marry the Night Marry the Night came on when I was driving the other night

through the hills and I was like this is this song fucks why didn't she get an Oscar nomination for her performance in that 100 minute video

I mean you and I you and I that's such a good album Edge of Glory are you kidding me Edge of Glory it's her best album it's her best album

I would also say this a reader got in my DMs always and basically confirmed that she is doing the Top Gun song. Oh, that's cool. She is doing, like, the big song. The Take My Breath away Top Gun. A reader got in my DMs with intimate, this is very Dumois of me, but, like, a reader

got in my DMs with intimate knowledge of the fact that she. Has already shot footage for a video. At, like, an Air Force base. Sick. Yeah. It's not going to be amazing. She's going to win in a second. Another one.

I mean, come on. With no Bond movie out, there's nothing. I kind of am bummed that like Billie Eilish is just going to kind of walk to this Oscar. She's not. It's going to be Lynn. I think. Really? You think so?

I think that Bruno is such a huge song right now. And even though that's not the official submission, because Bruno took off after they had already had to submit the song i think people want to reward him he should have never lost for that moana song which is one of the greatest i want songs in the disney to lose the city of stars from la la land oh how embarrassing it's so terrifying and i know i i mean like i love pasik and paul and i just want to say i i genuinely love pasik and paul sure i just think that was not i actually thought that um audition fools fools who dream was stronger than city of stars and had that song one i would have been like slay and a half how far i'll go is a great song. Marlgo is an unbelievable. The best part of your world. I completely agree.

I completely agree. All amazing songs, but Lynn deserves. Billy also deserves, but I think he'll- I don't know if Billy deserves an Oscar for that song. She's so talented. Billy will win one someday. Yeah, for sure. If not for this, then something else.

For sure. Yeah. All right. It's time. I guess we've got to the point where it's Jared Freider's I Don't Think So, Honey, and I think I have some sort of idea of what he might do because I'm sitting here. You might be surprised. This is Jared Freeders, I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Matt Rogers telling me he was in love with me for the first time on this here podcast instead of in person. That's right, readers. In a Benito Skinner episode, he was like, oh, I think I might love Jared, but I don't know how to say it yet. All of a sudden, I get texts from friends from back home being like, did you hear that your boyfriend's too scared to tell you he loves you in person? So he's saying it on his podcast. I was like, what?

You're not Carrie Bradshaw, girl. Talk to me in person. Brene Brown, vulnerability is important. And you just never told me in person. And so then I had to be the one to say it first, which is like against my rules. That's not true. I did say it first. You did not. Well, I i mean saying it on a podcast doesn't count matthew sorry for this public spam right now but how dare you tell your beloved

readers before you actually tell me the person they're the closest people to me you know jane has never forgiven you for this because it was a traumatic event jane loves me more than you okay first of all how dare you second of all that's probably true anyway anyway anyway uh i'm glad you readers got the first scoop for that the exclusive because i was not and that's one minute wow can i say that's wrong because i did say that to you and then you were caught off guard by it and didn't say it back and then three days later you were like hey by the way love you no no no no no no no lies in maneli lies matt absolutely not you might have shared too much on the podcast not too much but you you classic you you made it you made it a strange situation when we broke up

i was like matt i just asked that you don't talk about on the podcast weeks later i get a message from someone on grinder on grinder being like i heard you hey huge fan of your ex-boyfriend's podcast heard you guys broke up oh can i say something i gave it several weeks and then i was like and i just want to tell everyone because they know my life and i don't want to lie to them i was just just like, Jared and I did break up. Everything's fine. You know what the dark side of the moon really is? Most of your Grindr messages being about the fact that they're fans of your ex-boyfriend. That's the dark

side of the moon. That is what Pink Floyd was actually discussing. And then how do you deal with that? I don't respond. That's his iceberg. Yeah, that's my iceberg. It's just like, oh, I love Las Culturistas. And I was like, I don't know how I'm supposed to respond to this.

Well, now you do have something to do with it because you're on the pod. You're on the pod now. So now you're actually in the LCU. Promoting your wonderful movie. Are you going to make your Instagram not private now? It's not private. Yeah. Oh, so anyone can follow you.

Unfortunately. That's not unfortunate. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah they see lots of wonderful pictures of jane that's all more than jared that's so gross because jane thinks i'm a dog jane thinks you're a dog i play with jane like i'm a dog and so she thinks i am one and she responds to me different than other people but in typical matt fashion he'll play with her he's the most fun person in the room he'll rile her up and then she'll get too excited and he'll turn to me and be like do something about this and i'm like i mean really jane is one of the most beautiful dogs in the world and did i ever tell you i sent a picture like when we were dating i sent a picture of jane to my my parents and my dad responded and he was like, Jane is like Greta Garbo.

Jane is an old film star. She has old Hollywood, I said Audrey Hepburn last night. Yeah, you said Audrey Hepburn yesterday. That's true. She has this like really, not grand, just like beautiful,

classic, classic Hollywood beauty. She's four. She is beautiful. So she's 28? So she's 28. Giving Scarlett O'Hara. She's giving it.

Scarlett. She's serving. Jane. Jane is serving puss. And whenever Joel talks mean about Jane. Can you want to speak to this? Do you speak to this? Joel Kim Booster.

One of your closest friends. One of my closest friends. It's how I met Matthew. It's how I met Bowen as well. So Jared is extremely close friends with Joel Kim, Lewis. Jared is close to Joel in a way that like, is on a deeper level in some ways than me. That's because Jared was Joel's LA best friend.

Yes, yes, yes. That's how I met Jared. I mean, this is really dark, but when the pole shooting happened was the day that I met Joel. And I could like, because I'm from Florida and I like knew people who knew people who were lost. So like, I could not go to the Carly Rae Jepsen concert that night and we hope because I was too distraught.

And I gave Joel my tickets and we became best friends. But Joel, while he is one of the greatest, funniest, most talented people on planet Earth, he literally hates my dog. And I think it's because he knows that she's a star and she the camera. He said, you know, I was not a dog person overall. No, he's a cat. Not really. He has interesting things to say about Greta's dog Tiny, which is that she's too small to be a dog.

I was like, I think that you're trying to do funny comedy, and it's rude. And he said the other day that Jane is skinny and needy. Like him. Like him. And so that's why he's jealous of Jane. He's jealous of Jane. He's jealous of Jane.

He has jealousy jealous he has jealousy he's jealous also jane is obsessed with john michael joel's boyfriend and i think that that also has driven a wedge between jane and joel wow well john michael maybe she thinks that he's me uh yeah what's going on well what a beautiful episode. I loved this episode. And I would love to say how proud I am of you. Thank you, Matt. Because I saw firsthand how much it was to go through this. And just the film is very beautiful.

And what I always tried to tell you the whole time is, while it was difficult that entire time, like making an indie movie like this like what's really important is how people are going to be moved and affected by it and the fact is that people don't have this movie but now they do thank you and so that's worth all of it and it will open and already has opened so many doors and like i just i'm so excited for you and so proud of you thank you and every reader and fan should know that like Matt was my lifeline during this entire process and makes me very emotional

to talk about and um he's funny but also a great person as is Bowen and this is like a dream come true to be on this podcast oh my god we're so happy to have you. And please stream Three Months, which is out on Paramount+. Today, it's so exciting. And listen to the songs on Spotify, Wait and Trouble. Watch the video. Watch the video. And just celebrate and support this movie, you guys. Because we don't get them.

It will be meaningful that you do. It really will be meaningful that you do watch it. Just on an individual level not to be full individualist here but like it will be meaningful that you watch it and take something away from it you know that you haven't seen before and you will love it you will love and i just i'm just saying it's there for you now and how cool that you know it's just right there at your fingertips to be able to watch and what an amazing thing that you even got it made like so many people like you said for queer films for queer art

like it's so hard as Taylor Swift says in the one the best films are never made and I'll leave you guys with that and you know we do end every episode with a song listen for the best my reputation's never been worse so

he must like me for me. Can't wait. Any references now can't leave, babe. But you can make me a drink. One, two, three, let's go, bitch. Dive up on the east side where you at. Dive up. For the rest of the song, listen to Reputation by Taylor Swift.

Bye. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show dudes on dudes we're spilling all the behind scenes stories crazy details and honestly just having a blast talking football every week we're discussing our favorite players of all times from legends to our buddies to current stars we're finally answering the age-old question what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to dudes on dudes on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll.

This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops.

And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with

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