Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - VENMO JOELLA (w/ Aaron Jackson + Josh Sharp)

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

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Starting point is 00:02:21 Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes? Oh, I see. My eye. Oh my. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh my goodness.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Well, this episode was supposed to start a different way. Tell them of the bit. Do the bit. Tell them of the bit.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Even better. Even better. Let's do the bit. Do the bit. Do the bit. Even better. Let's do the bit. I felt like it wasn't feeling like a safe environment for the bit. Once I brought it to the floor. No one. Let's try the bit. Let's see how it plays. The bit was going to be, Bowen and Josh Sharp start the show as if nothing, no one was the wiser.
Starting point is 00:03:03 But tell them why. Because Aaron and I came today sort of wearing a shirt. Shirt button down. Sort of like button down shirts with like. With a bold statement. Button down realness. Bright statements and bold patterns. Bright colors and bold patterns.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Drew Drokey. Drew Drokey. Was I referencing it? And therefore was the correction right to do? I was a riff. Not a correction. Well, oh. Oh.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Can you tell my guard is up? Yeah, you seem hackled. So, but this is where it started to break down bitwise, was Josh and Aaron wearing t-shirts, Aaron and Matt are wearing button-downs. With bold statements and bright patterns. Right, and so not a Drew Droege reference. Not a Drew Droege reference at all.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Title of app. Title of app. Not a Drew Droege reference. Title of app. But reference at all. Title of app. Title of app. Title of app. Not a Drew Drogy reference. Title of app. But I think it just, it broke down because Matt was saying, okay, so then Josh and Matt, as in, I as in Matt, Josh and I will start the show. Bowen is playing the character of Matt.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Yeah, I think, I do think he ultimately- Let us try it. Let us try it. Sure, okay, start the show. Two, one. Ding dong! Dong! Last Culture Dress has come! This is where it broke down. I said it was...
Starting point is 00:04:12 Because Matt said that Matt and Josh know the whole thing. The show that Aaron and I would come in later. That doesn't make any goddamn sense because I said if, okay, if Aaron and I were both wearing statement shirts with bright colors and bold patterns, we would sit on one couch and you and Joshua, who are both in more simple tees, would start the show. Yeah, let us see the logic. Let us try again.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Start the episode. Two, one, ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Garoo! Epic Orlando was universal, y' guys, gals and gays. Now, wait, now that the bit keeps going, you were to be Matt, were you to be the guest? You were to be Josh? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:05:01 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no That would have been the gas. Can I just say what the dream of the bit was? And maybe if with more time, we could have executed the bit is if we have a little bit of a day and Josh Sharp had started the podcast and not said anything, it was just Bowen and Josh starting it. And then we come in, me and Aaron Jackson. And we don't even know.
Starting point is 00:05:18 You gave Josh and I the keys to your car, which makes us feel a little a little. I know how to drive stick, but it was it's your car, which makes us feel a little, a little, I will say. And y'all didn't know how to drive stick. But it was, it's your car that you, you're like, I've got a car, y'all drive. It's a beautiful Honda CR-V, you screamed at us. I guess I thought that the instructions for how to drive the car were clearer than they were. It's kind of an Andy Cosman style bit
Starting point is 00:05:40 that really just fucks with the form so hard. What's crazy is I didn't even think it was that crazy. I didn't think it was. To not address it? It was not. That's crazy. It was wild. Communicated.
Starting point is 00:05:52 And this is what episode. To me it's the bit is what is so shocking. This is episode 14 or 15 of the pod, right? Yeah, we barely started it. Forever Doll. Forever Doll. Cut that out, cut that out. We have to cut that out. We we were fledgling.
Starting point is 00:06:06 You know, what's funny is people here are we have been begging for this. People have been begging for this. We're in your nine, doll. Oh, yeah. Nine. You're wearing your. Yes. And the cacophony is back. It's this is an Obama era podcast. I know. I forget.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Yes, technically, it's it was the last months of the Obama presidency. So then yes. Yeah. I'm sorry. Do not raise your voice. I didn't. I didn't. Oh, I. Oh, I. What would you guys say was the culture that you say culture was for you? Because I knew you. Because I knew you. Because I knew you. I've never been to New York.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Because I knew you. I didn't really get culture until two weeks ago on a Thursday night. And then you saw what culture was when you saw Rosie O'Donnell. When I saw Rosie O'Donnell. Have a great Emmy winning guest star. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Y'all went, y'all learned about culture at the O'Mary Tonys party, which we were not invited to. You didn't get the invite. Well, I don't think we did. I actually don't think we did, which is okay, because I'm just gonna say oversight. Do you think Cole is mad at you?
Starting point is 00:07:10 I think so. And for what? I don't know, but apparently Cole- And are you mad at Cole? Now they are. Now. Yeah. Now I can-
Starting point is 00:07:18 I'm in a way to say yes or no. For likely yes, but I'm in a way. Okay. Was it a political- Let's say if I'm mad. I see. Because what were you gonna say? I think it's all, I'm only mad. Okay. Was it in political? Was it in political? To say if I'm mad. I see. Cause what were you gonna say? I think it's all, I'm only mad at Cole
Starting point is 00:07:28 if they're mad at me. Does that make sense? And that is, it's tip for tat. And that happens all the time. I'm mad at Cole. I think it's same with crushes. So you do not realize you're into someone until they say I'm into you and you say, oh, mutual.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah. Less boogie. But then does that make you second guess at it all? You're like, oh, this. Yeah. Let's boogie. But then does that does that make you second guess at all? You're like, oh, this was contingent on them having a crush on me. To me. It's a good pose. Yeah. Yeah. Proposed anal marriage or marriage.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Oh, penetrative anal. I mean, someone being attracted to you is a turn on. Wouldn't you say? Yeah, it's one of other guys' best qualities when they want to. My favorite thing about you is that you like me. It's true.
Starting point is 00:08:09 That's actually a good greeting card. My favorite thing about you, and you open it, is that you like me. Yeah. Winky face emoji, happy whatever, I don't care. I've had more requests. Yeah. It's a rule of culture.
Starting point is 00:08:20 This is my real. Really, as host. She is hosting. As host allow me to say, that's a rule of culture. That's a rule of culture. Really? As host. She is hosting. As host allow me to say, that's a rule of culture. That's a rule of culture. Wait, what was? My favorite thing about you is that you like me. Oh, which number is that?
Starting point is 00:08:32 That's 1,691. 1,691. World's most famous culture is 1,691. My favorite thing about you is that you like me. Now I just want to go back to something that Aaron put out there. Oh. A card and a Venmo request. I just want to go back to something that Erin put out there, a card in a Venmo request. I just want to, can I observe something? Part of Erin's sort of lexicon of comedy is to end it,
Starting point is 00:08:53 to end a statement with Venmo, I mentioned a Venmo or Joella or both, as in a call to action Venmo-Joella. And it's funny to hear you describe that as comedic because I would say it's incredibly serious. We're all laughing. When you say it both can be Joella. Yes, thank you.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Venmo Joella. Wait, maybe I'm listening. Pause. I'm sorry. Pause and Venmo Joella. I do have to say that the title of Ep has to be Venmo Joella. So can we explain who Joella is?
Starting point is 00:09:23 Joella was a drag race contestant on season, I'm not sure, she's 49. And if you don't know that, don't listen to this podcast. She uses the wrong podcast for you. She did two episode run, would we say? Three, and it was, I would say sensational. It was absolutely sensational.
Starting point is 00:09:40 A lot with a little. I think history will look back kindly on this season. She'll probably get brought back at some point. I mean, she really made a little. Yeah. I think history will look back kindly on this. She'll probably get brought back at some point. It was so I mean, she really made a mark. Can I say like I was almost ready to say something snide when you said she'll probably get brought back soon because I feel like they're bringing everybody back for all stars. But then I will also say I'm kind of eating my hat with the girls that I
Starting point is 00:09:59 thought weren't going to give on all stars because I'm enjoying every group of all stars. They're all giving and giving. They're giving good. Because they're giving and gaving. They're giving and gaving and gaving. The guys and balls. Ben Mojoella. Ben Mojoella. Ben Mojoella.
Starting point is 00:10:11 I give them all proper because I'm entertained thoroughly. The tournament of All Stars is going well. I like the tournament. I like 666. Me too. Oh, Devil. I said what I said. Oh, Devil.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Devilish. Devilish. Satan. Yeah. Play this podcast while you watch Wizard of Oz. Sync them up. Oh, yeah. And you will speak to the devil. Josh and I were at the gay bar Twist in Miami, Florida.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Mm-hmm. Legendary institution. And it was the weekend Mayhem, Lady Gaga's Mayhem came out. Sure. And in that front bar, if you've ever been, it's sort of just casual with televisions. And they played Mayhem and started House of Gucci at the same time as if it was Wizard of Oz. It synced up.
Starting point is 00:10:50 I don't know that that's any time. To what? Any time. If just like, if it would like cut at not Adrian Brody, Jared Leto, No, Adam Driver. Adam Driver. It would like cut. There's an A. Sorry, Adam.
Starting point is 00:11:04 If it was like on the beat and would cut to him, we'd just scream. Ah, they sync up! On the beat. So you know, just like, if it cut, it would match that with the beat. I'm just like, I'm just gonna take you to the garden. I'm good.
Starting point is 00:11:15 I'm like, garden, ah! Screaming. So anyway, everybody do that. Venmo Joel, pause the podcast. Venmo Joel. Pause again. Sync up, man. What house of Couture?
Starting point is 00:11:27 An hour long album with a two hour long movie? Yes, loop it. Just loop the track. Do you have a suggested donation to Joella or is it sort of pay what you can? Pay what you will, but honey, if you are going to a pride event that costs over $50,
Starting point is 00:11:46 at least $6,000. Yeah, exactly. And that's what Radiohead said about in rainbows in 2007. They said, They said, Tom said, if you're going to a pride event, in rainbows costs over $50, over $50, over $50. Pay us $6,000 for this album. I gotta tell you, one of my biggest cultural blind spots
Starting point is 00:12:05 is radio. That's okay. They're always crack my top five. Yeah. What? Is that true? That's my big point. You I believe, I didn't know that about you. You're listening to the fucking revival of Parade.
Starting point is 00:12:17 You're listening to Ragtime, OPC. I'm listening to OPC of Ragtime. Can I give to your people one of the kindest things you've ever done? Because, you know, me, Erin and Patrick are big Bjork girls. Yes. So when her last album came out, we got a text from you that said, girls, I wanted you to know I really tried to listen to the new Bjork album.
Starting point is 00:12:36 I said, but I had to turn it off halfway through. I found a lot of the imagery to be disturbing. Yeah, I did. I really appreciate this. I mean, I know I made a good one, I really love that you put that effort in. Fostera is from a weird girl, a weird girl album. She has more like, this is a song with a chorus type of album. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:12:58 There's nothing like sort of like being in Fire Island and watching all your sisters vibe on. I think it was some hallucinogenic and watching you not just listen to, but commune with both nature and Bjork. All together. How is existing inside of a Bjork song? What's the song? It's from Off Vesperteen. What was the song that we were inviting to? Hunter?
Starting point is 00:13:18 Not Hunter. No, no, no. Off Vesperteen. Where it was with like we're fucking like the drums. Diophilia. We were listening to Crystalline. Crystalline. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year.
Starting point is 00:13:36 I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think it was the song that was the best song of the year. I think't know you were a metalhead. Well, I like hardcore style. So Josh is wearing a turnstile. I'm really trying to get gay guys into turnstile this summer.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Everyone was at the turnstile show the other week. Yeah. Who would you describe as everyone? Because I wish there were more people. People of all shapes and sizes. That's true. Basically, when we're talking about everyone, there's no real signifier. It would just be anyone you could think of
Starting point is 00:14:04 could be there in that moment when we say everyone. And I want to take real signifier. It would just be anyone you could think of could be there in that moment when we say everyone. And I wanna take back that question. Cut that question from the episode. No, don't, don't, don't. I say the cuts. I say the cuts. I say the cuts.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Tourist Dallas for everyone. Tourist Dallas for everyone. Oh, we should go. I had such a good time. We should go. You should go. It is, I find hardcore, it's like a queer space where it's sort of radically accepting.
Starting point is 00:14:24 It's hardcore, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say metal. But hardcore people are radically accepting in a way that queer people are, you know? They're like, all shapes, all sizes get in the pit. You said radically accepting. Yeah. I just didn't hear you correctly. Correct. I love hardcore music. I love fugazi. Gay guys should get into fugazi. Gay guys should get into fucked up. Gay guys should get into turnstile.
Starting point is 00:14:43 I like fucked up. I've listened to. I love Canadian. You're Canadian. How would gay guys benefit from getting into this particular music? I need to know. What is it about gay men that they're missing? Pop doesn't have a lot of rage. And I do think there's a lot of... You haven't heard Olivia Rodrigo. Sure. Others Olivia Rodrigo. I. Others Olivia Rodrigo. I've sung it live with you.
Starting point is 00:15:08 That was a sad moment. You haven't heard her. It's really going to go off. She says the F word in that song. Yeah. Can we cuss on this pod? Yeah, you can cuss. OK, she's faggot. Faggot.
Starting point is 00:15:17 See, that wasn't the one I was expecting. You're catching me off guard in this climate. That's for sure. I think you might like Radiohead because Josh always says Tom York taught Josh Vibrato. Yeah, that's one of our great male singers. I know you're lacking in male singers you like. Something else we learned in Fire Island. We said name your favorite male singer and took you so long.
Starting point is 00:15:39 And then you said Stevie Wonder? Question mark. I but well, did I arrive at a slayer? What? No, you're right. That's a great answer. I don't think you're funny one of them all. It's not so much that you disparage male singers. You just worship female singers so much. Can I ask you a question?
Starting point is 00:15:53 Is there room for the possibility that maybe I was just being thoughtful in the answer to that game? And that's why there was a little bit of time. Maybe y'all need to be more thoughtful before you speak the way you shout out. Yeah, you're need to be more thoughtful before you speak the way you shout out. Yeah, you're right. The way you shout out, maybe you need to be more thoughtful.
Starting point is 00:16:10 There is room for the idea that you were being thoughtful in that moment. You weren't. But there's room. But there's room. But Tommy, what do you think? We are more united than ever. We're more united than ever.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Never. The four of us have never been closer. Oh my God, power of the room. Power of the room. Power of the room. Power of the room. Power of the dog. What if I just didn't let it go the whole time and he just really started to fight and I just didn't.
Starting point is 00:16:31 Hey, yeah. Ow, my wrist. My wrist. My tender wrist. What's Matt's syllabus on Radiohead, you think? I think, okay, computer. Yeah, or your BenBos. I sometimes find that's a really good starter album.
Starting point is 00:16:42 Yeah, Rainbow's is a prettier music band. It's prettier music. Okay, computer. Okay, computer has a lot of rage. The Benz is good. I love the Benz. The Benz is like a good starter.. It's prettier music. It's prettier music. It's a lot of rage. The bends is good. I love the bends. The bends is like first chorus, first chorus, which is nice. But I'd be curious what you think of In Rainbows.
Starting point is 00:16:52 In Rainbows is really good. Okay, I'll start there. I really will. And I'll send you a Bjork-esque text. Hi guys, how is everyone doing today? I want you to know, I started In Rainbows and I got approximately six songs in before I found the imagery disturbing
Starting point is 00:17:06 It's not disturbing. It starts a little but then it gets really pretty I guess it being called in rainbows that was sort of you know, a swage of some of the idea There's gonna be terrors within the sonic. Now. There's a song on in rainbows called called house of cards It's not about the TV show. So don't get scared. Right. All right. No. On that, you know, bring him back. How great would be a role? Whatever happened to him? Yeah. Oh, he should be a Mary. He should replace Cole.
Starting point is 00:17:34 That would be good. He was married. Cole, Cole, please put Kevin Spacey in Mary. There's no drag queen doing anything as subversive as Kevin Spacey as O' Mary. There's no drag queen doing anything as subversive as Kevin Spacey as O' Mary. Joella accepting.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Joella accepting. Joella as Mary's teacher. Thin Mo Joella. And Zell Kevin Spacey. Zell Kevin Spacey. No, actually, this is the actual casting. Joella as Mary. Kevin Spacey as Abe.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Yes. As Mary's husband. And who's Mary's teacher? James Scully reprises him. He goes back in. No one does it better. No one does it better. How could you beat the best?
Starting point is 00:18:11 Could you beat the best? Whereas the other two can easily be beat. Yeah, the Tony nominees. I think Cole and Conrad, I've seen it. I've seen it. You know what I mean? And we're mad at Cole. And we're mad at Cole.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Remember from earlier? How was the party? A gag. Joyful. A total gag. A gag and joyful. All earnest. Oh, I love that.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Joyful. Please be earnest. Well, this year we found we were saying how much like many of our dear friends were nominated for this. This is crazy. Oh, yeah. I'm seeing it today. I'm so excited.
Starting point is 00:18:40 I've seen it twice. I've actually, I actually went two days in a row. And you talked about it on the pod maybe even. I talked about it, though. I would love to talk about it twice. I wish he went two days in a row. And you talked about it on the pod maybe. I talked about it though. I would love to talk about it again. I'm working on it. Something for them to know is that Kimmy Belfour, who wrote it, who's incredible, grew up with my boyfriend in like one stoplight rural town. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:56 And so they as teenagers pledged to be like, if you ever get nominated for a Tony, I'll take you. And so Blake went. He was so good. I will say he did look fantastic. Plus one who made the carpet and the vogue right up. Yes. And then have you seen Dead Outlaw starring Andrew Duran?
Starting point is 00:19:12 Not yet. We love Andrew Duran. Not yet, but I am an Andrew Duran fan. I loved him in Shocked. Shocked, he was so good in Shocked. Everyone in Shocked. I loved him in Shocked. Spring Awakening, Inc.
Starting point is 00:19:22 By the way- I'm Nelson Chernibor. We're Cynthia Rivio, yes. Oh! Over in the West End. Why did they ever bring that here? Cause we're dumb. Cause America's dumb.
Starting point is 00:19:31 I think it didn't run that long there. Oh, I see, I see. I don't think it ran that long there. The- No offense. The shucks of it all- History, history. Bad Modoella.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Made me- A show with jokes. A show with real jokes made me realize last night, I saw Alex Newell at the Mets Pride Game. She sang the national anthem down. Oh, I bet she did. Taking it back. One of the few who's probably like, could we raise it actually?
Starting point is 00:19:51 Can we make it higher? Oh, 100 percent. And then Jeremiah Brand throughout the first pitch. Oh, yep. And I saw Jan was there in the full get up. Jan is one of my favorite people to kind of just see. She sang it at a pro. She sang the national anthem recently.
Starting point is 00:20:02 She gave pre-shows at the. They were saying in the K corner. I love that. So Jan was giving pre-shows at the country. They were saying in the K corner. So Jim was giving pre-shows and they kept calling it the K corner. And I was like, girl, what? Thinking they were like a gay guy and talking about the ketamine reference. It just means where they knock up where all the strikeouts happen.
Starting point is 00:20:21 The K corner. Jordan and K.O.? So let me just say for straight culture. This is why gay guys need to listen to hardcore music. You need to stop thinking K means ketamine and everything. And you're gonna realize it means strikes. And you're gonna realize it means strikeout.
Starting point is 00:20:31 So this is a big difference between straight and queer culture is K to straight men means strikeout and K to gay men means ketamine. This is one way we can start to have a conversation and a dialogue. And it's also class. You're talking about working class. For the 1%, K is thousands. 100K, 200K. It's money, y'all.
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Starting point is 00:23:19 know. It can't get no better than being hella black, hella queer, and hella Christian. My name is Joseph Rees. I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian, a fully black, fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast that explores society, culture, and the intersections of faith and identity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian to hear conversations about what it means to sound the way you look.
Starting point is 00:23:46 I think what I've had to make peace with is that every iteration of my voice is given to me by God, and I love it. Books that validated our identity. The library now for me is a safe space as someone who is writing books that they're trying to take off of shelves. And how we as Black queer folks relate to our Christianity.
Starting point is 00:24:04 Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. She was a decorated veteran, a Marine who saved her comrades, a hero. She was stoic, modest, tough. Someone who inspired people. Everyone thought they knew her.
Starting point is 00:24:30 Until they didn't. I remember sitting on her couch and asking her, is this real? Is this real? Is this real? Is this real? I just couldn't wrap my head around what kind of person would do that to another person that was getting treatment, that was dying.
Starting point is 00:24:49 This is a story all about trust and about a woman named Sarah Kavanaugh. I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying. Listen to Deep Cover, The Truth About Sarah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Clouds is out. Have you seen that? Clouds is out.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Just a little BB. Whatever. Clouds is out? What is this reference to? She is a TikTok, but back in the day, just an Instagram star. And she used to now she does like all sex toys like that's her and then lube and stuff. She used to give inspirational messages.
Starting point is 00:25:31 And often they were done where you could only see her nails on camera. And she had this crazy blue synthetic wig. OK, we're getting visual. Where are you going? Oh, yeah. That's really good. All right. I'm actually really interested in how that works. For everyone listening at home,
Starting point is 00:25:43 Josh just crawled on the ground and went to camera and made claws. And I want us in the video to not use that angle. And I want us to use that. You're being told to go to that one. I'm being told to do it again. No, no. And then we're gonna use the opposite camera.
Starting point is 00:25:57 That's interesting. She'd be like, don't use the wide on this, please. Okay, so I just got a delicious dinner. That's very Muppety Pie. I have to say, I am seeing what it's doing in the video. I really like that. It's really working. And she would have nails, nails, nails.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Nails, nails, nails. And one time in an inspirational way. Once she was wearing a blue wig and like eating a lollipop and she goes, if you're having yourself a bad day, ask yourself why. And she's sucking lollipop. She goes, living in Los Angeles. Here I am living in Los Angeles.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Clouds is out. Clouds is out. Trouble don't last for always bitch. So we say that a lot. Trouble don't last for always bitch. I have watched that video when experiencing depression. I haven't saved for when I'm having it down and I watch her go. Trouble don't last always bitch.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Living in Los Angeles. Clouds is out. Trouble don't last for always bitch. That is beautiful. That is a simplified way of what I've been saying lately, which is a little bit eye rolling, but I'm like despair is a transitional phase. Yes. Trouble don't last for always bitch. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, Wig blowing like a motherfucker. Trouble don't last always, bitch. We'll send it to you. It's beautiful. You can put it in the Instagram. Trouble don't last for always, bitch, is very much a sibling of
Starting point is 00:27:13 Miss God cutting up something awful. Miss God cutting up something awful. They're cousins. They're kin. OK. Oh, Mary, party fabulous for Cole to win to Sam to win. Oh, incredible. Stunning. Deserve it. Two talents that deserve two talents. Oh, my God. Then I linked up with Blake and Kimmy and we ended the night. Kimmy, who should be on the pot at some point, actually, should be really good.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Blake, too, but he'd be less fun. That's a quote probably from him. He'd agree. And we ended our night at the Plaza Hotel getting banana splits on room service at six in the morning. Oh, I love that. Heaven. Heaven. Heavenly. Josh also was going to Pine that day
Starting point is 00:27:49 and he came much later. I did not make it on the morning ferry. Cause he, you know, did the booger sugar. He did it. Yeah, a banana split at six in the morning. The snow that goes up. The snow that goes up. I had the slopes, the banana split slopes.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Now, we didn't even get a chance to mention this because we did not bring y'all in, but- I'm Aaron. You're Aaron, and this is Josh. Aaron's on Sandino, I'm on Women and Men. I'm Sandino. I didn't even realize that didn't happen. Well, we just have to quickly plug,
Starting point is 00:28:17 because we said the name's Sam Pinkleton, Tony winning Sam Pinkleton, who is now directing Josh's show at the Greenwich House Theater, July 7th, called Ta-Dah. Yes, I'm doing the canonical one man off-Broadway experience. I'm gagged, I'm so excited.
Starting point is 00:28:30 I'm coming, I'm coming on opening night. Yes! You said the opening night is July. July 7th, you'll be gone. I'll be back in LA. There'll be other chances. But I'm coming. Because it runs through August 23rd.
Starting point is 00:28:41 And maybe I'll see a preview. Absolutely. How about that? Seven shows a week. Nyan, nyan, nyan, nyan, nyan. Are you gonna be on your vocal health game? I'm gonna have to be on my vocal health game. Because even for plays, you know?
Starting point is 00:28:52 You're still talking. You're still talking. You're the only one talking. I can't, I don't have a scene partner to Yak Yak Yak. Do you have an understudy? No. Me. Actually that would be like- That would be like, people would love that.
Starting point is 00:29:02 People would love it. Yeah, I'll talk about my deep personal specific life experience. I love Josh's show. Did you see Aaron? Aaron actually is amazing. When he talks about his mom coming. Good. Josh is good. But when Aaron talks about he found his mother's battle with ovarian cancer,
Starting point is 00:29:20 it really sings. Literally, Aaron sings a lot more. I do. Oh, so good. He Literally, Aaron sings a lot. You see, Spacey is Josh. Oh, he was so good. Spacey was great. He was amazing. He's come back. When his mom knew he was gay, but didn't know how to broach the subject.
Starting point is 00:29:33 You know, cause I didn't think Josh was that hot, but I thought Kevin was really sexy in the role. He looked very in his body. I think since he's come out, he's become even better. Yeah, oh yeah. We'll never know if Kevin Spacey was a better actor as an out gay man, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:50 When he was outed after he was... Yeah. Can I say? We don't have to talk about this anymore. Well, someone has to. Well, I just got my I don't think so, honey. There's no more great conversations happening. Everyone's too afraid. Don't you think everyone's too afraid?
Starting point is 00:30:05 Everyone is too afraid to get into it. Too afraid to make Spacey jokes less Instagram find out and say, hey, here's a grab of them talking about how they wish Spacey was given another chance to become an out gay actor. When did we lose him? To society's disdain. Oh God.
Starting point is 00:30:23 I think when people found out he had't want to be ranked minors. I want to know the year. I don't remember. I'm going to imagine 2017. Seventeen. You think it was in the big me, too. You think he did it right after your pod started.
Starting point is 00:30:34 You think they were linked. I think House of Cards was at the beginning. Yeah, I mean, House of Cards has been what was going on from like 2011. Can I say, say it? Pilot episode ago, I've seen Malcolm in the middle. I've seen the camera, shit.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Turning this off, I'm not. Whispering, I didn't like House of Cards. You never liked it? Say it loud. I liked season one, but I can get loud too, bitch. I didn't like House of Cards. It's a Sandra Diaz Twine Club. It's a Sandra Diaz Twine Club. I can get loud too, what the fuck!
Starting point is 00:31:06 We gotta talk about the Traders cast too. Oh yeah, the Traders cast. And no one wants to really talk about Australia vs. the World Survivor, which is really the big event. Yeah. I would love to know more. Please educate. I do too. This is dull as hell. Australia, Australian Survivor is now the superior...
Starting point is 00:31:24 Franchise superior franchise. Oh, please. Absolutely. Has been for a few years. And Australia versus the world is all stars. Yeah, all stars from all the franchises. But there's like I'm just going to make up numbers like eight Australian survivor players and then eight internationals. And the US we have our Tony Parvati and Serene. Wow. Yeah, pretty good stuff.
Starting point is 00:31:42 And one of the Aussie people is David the Golden God. David the Golden God, Shawnee. Shawnee. King George. King George. Oh yeah, this is a good group. Actress Pia's friend, Joanne or whatever her name is. Actress Pia's friend.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Actress Pia is my favorite survivor of all time. Yeah, I've heard about Actress Pia. Actress Pia. So tell everyone about Actress Pia. Actress Pia. Watch till I know what that was. Actress Pia was on a great season of Survive. With Luke Taki, and he's gonna be back on. Oh season of Survive with Luke Taki.
Starting point is 00:32:06 And he's gonna be back on Luke Taki, one Australia big brother. Okay. Anyway, it's just so great. It's gonna be great. It's really gonna be a sensation. Wow. Even if it flops, it's like impossible
Starting point is 00:32:16 that there's like not an amazing episode. I will say I've never seen a group of hotter people than any given survival Australia cast, which is something that really is tough about the US version too, because we're casting for brains and not always looks which is fine, but I know we can do both. I think what about when we go to Fire Island? You don't think that's a hotter group of men? No.
Starting point is 00:32:38 It'd be picking the hottest, the hottest eight from that hot group and putting them on camera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Starving them. From all of what weekend of Fire Island? Your favorite, your hottest weekend. The hottest weekend you've ever been. Yeah, because I bet those Australia Survivor guys could never drink an island special. Could never. And you know, it's gotten stronger. Our theory is it's gotten stronger.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Planters Punch is fucking crazy. It's going all crazy this summer. It's popping off. It was a different color. I had one and a half Planters Punches and then I almost went over some guy's house and he said, don't worry, my daughter's asleep. My daughter's asleep.
Starting point is 00:33:17 And I was like, okay, maybe if it had been two Planters Punches, I would have done something like all that. With the child next door. Read your daughter cat in the hat. I was like, honey, bring your kids to drag con, no problem. But once I'm in the, I had two on July the 4th and I got the spins.
Starting point is 00:33:34 You got the spins? I got the four and I was like, I have the spins from two of those. The same year that I beat out. You beat off. You beat out. I browned, blacked out. I blacked out.
Starting point is 00:33:46 What is your difference? Because I noticed you use brown out a lot. What's your personal difference? Brown out you can remember. Brown out you can remember. No, and I will just say, I don't know why I'm hedging. It was a full black out. Yeah, because you lost your wallet.
Starting point is 00:33:56 I'm ashamed. Oh yeah, then the island came together. The island came together. The island. Wait, can I say something? So first of all, let's tee this up, which is that Bowen lost his wallet and the community, the island with Bowen Yang's wallet.
Starting point is 00:34:08 You know, it crazy to try and find Bowen Yang. Text from every gay in this great nation of ours. Well, very similarly, when I was in Los Angeles the other week doing an out of town tryout of Josh Sharpton tickets on sale at Josh Sharpton dot com. I went to Act here one night, didn't realize until I was back. I had left my tote bag there with one of those nice water bottles. Oh, God. I've just been fifty dollars on a water bottle again. And some sundries.
Starting point is 00:34:31 But I was like, whatever. You know, it is what it is. Who do I get a DM from yesterday? Yes. Akbar, the account. Well, they said your New Yorker magazine was in it with your name on it. So we figured out it's you. Can we mail it to you? The Akbar.
Starting point is 00:34:45 The investigating there. The greatest gay bar. I love Akbar. I gotta give him a follow. Tied with Julius. Have we actually all been together to mourn Barracuda? No. I don't think we have.
Starting point is 00:34:57 I was at a town. Let's give space to that because this is now, this could get genuine because for once, we've spoken of some of the lore of just like us in the scene coming together, but Barracuda we have to put a pin in because that was such like our clubhouse for those formative years. God, I mean, how many times did we, like how many times did we see Bob in the pre-era? And then like also I just think about about like that was really where we'd go
Starting point is 00:35:25 to like pregame concert. Yeah. Yeah. Even still to this day. Even still, I find I like to do it in that. Well, RIP. But we would still do that. But I just I missed those days where we were there truly every week. I know. I know. It was like every Monday. It was a Monday. Bob's show was on Monday. Monday night.
Starting point is 00:35:41 But it felt like the best. Oh, my God. There used to be a two show night that we would do Funky Identical Twins. And then you'd see Bob the Drag Queen. It's like, truly, there's no better two show night. And I know half of it is my show. No, say that. Proud. Proud. It was wild to get to watch Bob in that era. It was the Titanic of of art of that time.
Starting point is 00:36:00 It was the Titanic of that time. Same venue. Titanic. Yeah, that's how you pronounce it. I think it can be many different ways. Fuck my ass. Fuck my ass. Fuck my ass. Well, you are Canadian. Maybe that's how they say it there. Fuck my ass.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Perhaps it is. You know what? Yeah, it's like. Cuda formative. What's formative? Oh, Cuda formative. Cuda. Cuda formative.
Starting point is 00:36:21 It's like, I can't even be like, I'm just mournful. Like I'm sad. I know. I also, I hooked up a lot there. Like I remember it was like- Like McGowan like have pulled the patch. No, I've hooked up there. It was like, it was like something about it.
Starting point is 00:36:32 In the space or? Not in the space, no, but I know, I know of some filth that's gone, that used to go down in that bathroom. I touched crotches through jeans there. Do you know what I mean? I know of full on breedings. I know of full on breedings that happened of full on readings that happened in the very
Starting point is 00:36:46 cool bathroom because it's a small girl. It's a smelly one. Small and smelly. It's small. It's smelt like shit. Yeah. Go figure. All of our great spaces. And also like it was it was it was always it was always busy. It was only the one bathroom because I think it was just the one.
Starting point is 00:37:02 And one stall. Luckily, when it closed down, because Aaron and I went like early in the week as soon as we heard. But then I was out of town for the weekend and I was like sort of sad to miss the final festivities. But then I realized if you had told me, by the way, Barracuda closed a month ago, I'd be like, I put in Malcolm Gladwell, 10,000 hours there. Like, luckily, I had my time. You did. I'm like, shit, we got to squeeze it in.
Starting point is 00:37:22 We really spent a lifetime in Barracuda. Yeah. Yeah. Dang. Love her. We really spent a lifetime in Barracuda. Yeah, yeah. Dang. Love her. Now one of the best spots to see drag. Truly, truly. Absolutely. Where I saw Alexis Michelle, the same episode where Katya got kicked off,
Starting point is 00:37:35 got eliminated in season seven. Katya Gage, season seven. Katya Gage, season seven. And she was just five of us in that room. Katya No. And me screaming, Katya No, tweeting it. And then the community coming after me. The opposite of the Bowen Yang. Katya No. And me screaming, Katya No tweeting it, and then the community coming after me. The opposite of the Bow and Yang wallet,
Starting point is 00:37:47 Fire Island. This is the community coming, pitchforks in here. How quickly it can turn. Wait, speaking of Fire Island. We saw Busted there. Yeah, Busted. Speaking of Fire Island, I met Big Bro Lasting. No!
Starting point is 00:38:01 And it was at this party. You don't know this? Sheila at Hollow. Fabulous party. Oh my God. But this lovely gentleman like strikes a conversation with me and I'm like, oh my God, what a sweet guy. And he goes, and I just have to say, I'm big bro.
Starting point is 00:38:14 I, I'm big bro. I was like, you're kidding me. Big bro and I texted a couple of weeks ago about meeting up. He is so lovely by the way. Kind of not what I expected. No, I feel like it's odd to me. So wait, can we just, we'll just level set
Starting point is 00:38:31 for everyone who's joined us since the Big Bro of it all. Cause a lot of you are new here. They're basically all my new followers. Here's who Big Bro is. So he's a big part of the lore. Don't worry, Ariana's coming on the pod soon. Any minute now she's coming in to talk. It's so funny, Michelle Obama.
Starting point is 00:38:46 It's just so funny because two weeks ago, we have an episode called How the Salad Gets Tossed, where we talk about it at length, whether or not it's sort of like here nor there to lay a towel down on the bed for anal sex. Then Michelle Obama, then this. So this podcast continues to be everything, everywhere, all at once.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Anyway, we went to Fire Island a few years ago. I was particularly on one. I met someone he's cannot be known on the podcast as Big Bro, because he called me Lil Bro while I was having sex with him. And I think the
Starting point is 00:39:21 vocabulary I used at the time was I shot a load up to heaven that has never come down. Yes. And we've had sex many times since then. It remains a great sort of relationship in my life. I love it.
Starting point is 00:39:33 And I still to this day have to say best I ever had. Oh my God. Best thing I ever had. And that's okay if you're listening to this or watching this and we've had sex and it's not you, that doesn't mean it wasn't great. He's just the king. He's the king.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Big bro is just the king. Sometimes you got a king. But, and you also famously kept, you were like, I had sex outside. By the river. I had sex by the river. And we were like, there is no river here. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:39:59 And it took days and then we realized you meant the bay. A wide, massive body of water. Well, listen, I was by the water, you look at it, it looks quite like a river to me. Quite like a river to me. I don't necessarily think you have to call things the right thing all the time. Totally, especially not in court.
Starting point is 00:40:15 What? Especially not in court. Especially not in court. If I'm not in court, what's the big fucking deal? And even in court, have fun. Have fun in court, y'all. You know what, it was. Yosur River. Fake news. You said it's the bay.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Anyway, you met Big Bro. I'm shook. Kind eyes. Because I always imagine Big Bro as like someone with, you know, Vim and Vigor. He has it when it counts. I, I, I, now I'm like, oh, it's a toggle. Like he switches it on. But otherwise, in person and talking. Brotherly
Starting point is 00:40:44 in that way. Brotherly in that way, big brotherly. And he's actually so ribbed you, but he loves you. It's it's one of those things where it's like and I think people out there know where during sex, it's like one thing, one great, lovely thing. And then afterwards, it's like such a sweet thing. I love your personality was not what it becomes. But in only the best way. Of course, sex is fake.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And Big Bro is in a committed relationship, so that's where that stays. So, Bowen, you didn't breed Big Bro in a store. I was not Big Bro to Big Bro, but he did say, because now Matt is selling merch that says Big Bro Little Bro. Matt, Matt owes me a jersey. Yeah, you got to cut him in. Oh, you got to send him one. That's just his intellectual property, baby. Yes. He's the one who, you got to cut him in. Oh, you got to send him one. That's just intellectual property, baby.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Yes. He's the one who called you that. We're in court now. Can I say there's plans for him to wear the jersey next time? Venmo Big Bro. Don't you think that's hot? Venmo Big Bro. Should I wear my Lil Bro jersey?
Starting point is 00:41:38 By the way, you can still buy Big Bro and Lil Bro jerseys. Happy Brad. Ta-da. Josharchfadda.com for all your Matt Rogers merch needs. I would love if we had a landing page for my merch on your TADA website. A nice collab. We should just link all of our things to everything else. Why don't we just start one big website? Let's start one big website.
Starting point is 00:41:56 That would be fun anyway. Let's just do a website together. This is Zoran and Lander endorsing each other. Zoran and Lander cross endorse each other. You're dating the podcast? Should we? Yeah, we're not right now. The first time we've talked about something temporal. Oh, Mary will be forever. Should we announce for the tour?
Starting point is 00:42:15 Let's get into it. This is a bit that I do feel always, I'm like, this is real though. Can I say this is literally how every other single thing that like we or I have ever had successful, it starts as a joke and then it becomes real. Culture Awards started as a joke, then one year it's like, Bowen, you have a slot at Lincoln Center, what do you want to do? Oh, I don't know. Matt, do you want to do Culture Awards? Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:42:40 And what about last Culture Reestest was a joke? Have you heard of Christmas? What else did you entertain for the Lincoln Center? Was. What else? Culture East Test was a joke. Have you heard of Christmas? Was a joke. What else did you entertain for the Lincoln Center? Was there anything else? Nothing else. It was just like, are we gonna do anything? No, I think it was like, oh, they gave us this cool opportunity. One man Vanya.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Because if you remember, we canceled the Culture Awards cause they never actually were supposed to happen. We just were doing nominees just because we had to do an episode where we were like, we had nothing to talk about. So we did the- And the bit was, and we're going to cancel this. We're going to say that they're canceled next week. Oh, and that's the episode you had nothing to talk about. So we did that. And the bit was, and we're going to cancel this. We're going to say that they're canceled next week. Oh, and that's the episode you had nothing to talk about?
Starting point is 00:43:07 The only one? Ah, shit. Listener. Oh, listener. Listen, nigger ass. I don't even know what they want anymore. So for the tour. Well, they want this, they want the four of us.
Starting point is 00:43:16 They want this. That's what you said. For the tour. For the tour. Now tell them what that is. Why don't you tell them what that is. Tell them what that is. For the tour.
Starting point is 00:43:23 By the way. The tour don't last for always, bitch. Matt and I were reflecting on what a perfect story, what a perfect story. It's a, it's a, it's a for sale baby shoes never worn of, of that drag race, like, like world pride, like 2019, you know. People don't know about Stonewall. Pride 50. They don't know.
Starting point is 00:43:40 It's like people don't know about Stonewall. What does that mean? Stonewall was fighting for gay rights and people were killed. Nobody was killed. Nobody was killed? It's for sale baby shoes never worn. You can't take out a single syllable from that. Nobody was killed.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Nobody was killed. Nobody was killed. Willem a true comedian. A true comedian. I just think Derrick Barry and Willem are a comedy duo. We don't think I mean And if they don't think that at least I'm going to their Vegas two-person show So anyway speaking of Willem Willem
Starting point is 00:44:21 Zigging and zagging It's crazy to try to keep up. I know. Willem, we met at... Why don't you tell us how you met Willem? Maybe drag the musical. Maybe drag the musical. I think I checked.
Starting point is 00:44:32 Now drag the musical. Tell everybody what that is. She came up, she said hello. She was like, big fan of the movie. I was like, well, I love you, Willem. I love that. She goes, and if you ever need to drag Queen in one of your projects, I'm a veil, and walked away.
Starting point is 00:44:43 And she also said to you, you said, I love you. And she goes, you have good taste. Oh, yeah, that too. I love you. You have good taste. This is what I said. This is what I tagged Camila this season on Survivor. I was like, oh, my gosh, she's my queen. She responds to my DM. She goes, thank you for your honesty.
Starting point is 00:44:55 I was like, I love that response. Thank you for your honesty. Thank you for your honesty. Thank you for caring. Thank you for caring. For the tour. For the tour. Why don't you tell them what that is? Why don't you tell them For the tour. Why don't you tell them what that is? What if you tell them what that is? Why don't you tell everybody what that is? I think out of the four of us. Nobody died for the tour.
Starting point is 00:45:10 Nobody died for the tour. Nobody was killed. I think out of the four of us, I think Josh might have the clearest picture. Well, he's on the pitch. He's on the pitch cycle. Well, yeah, I'm doing Kelly in the morning. I know how to do this. I'm doing Kelly in the morning. Come on. I'm doing Kelly in the morning. So as you know, one of the centerpieces of Culture Awards is that often the four of us sing a song arranged for our four soaring vocal parts.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Trumpet like instruments. Four trumpets, each higher than the last. And it's pretty rare that anyone sings alone really. It's not really desired. It's mostly four voices together in community and fellowship as one. Four part harmony. Exactly. At this point, our repertoire includes
Starting point is 00:45:45 three or even four songs. Right. Imagine if we added another five. That's a concert. So we want to do a show called Four the Tour. Four the Tour. Four voices, four cities, four nights. Yes.
Starting point is 00:45:58 You think four nights in each or four to 16? That's interesting. I see, I was about to ask whether the tech, whether the pitch was counting down for four, four, six, three, blah, blah, two, or counting up. Yeah. I would imagine we would want to do more than four singers. Five, five cities. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Six cities. Yeah. Six hours. Don't you guys think it should be four, four, four, four? So four singers, four cities, four nights, four songs. Four songs. Four songs. Like if we get on stage and say, let's just get logistical about this. OK, say it's an hour, hour and a half show.
Starting point is 00:46:37 OK, four shows is a show when you have so much pattern, like pattern and, you know, you know, back and forth. What if it's divisible by four or 40 songs? It's like a mega mix. Four, four, four singers, four cities, four nights, 40 songs, 40 songs. And they could be medleys, some of them. 14 songs. What we promise you is we will try to sing together as for as much as we possibly can.
Starting point is 00:47:06 I don't think anyone like on stage is like alone having a solo ever. Can I even pitch a bit that I feel like we talked about? I would love at one point to you to come out, maybe you start having a hundred kisses. The audience is like, of course, solo number from that. Instantly the three of us appear. It is a quartet. So just one of the songs is, have you heard of Christmas that way? Sure, we need. I like it. Because I like those checks, baby.
Starting point is 00:47:28 If I come out to sing one of our huge hits from Dick's the musical, trust you're in it. Trust you know, thank you. And thank God this time. Well, you know, I'm so thankful this time to be in it. Yeah. What I mean? This time.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Hey, this time I'll get in it. Come on. That's kind of interesting. That is kind of interesting. Charles has a book coming out. Wow. Well, that's really interesting. Swerve. It's a really interesting segue. You's kind of interesting. That is kind of interesting. Larry Charles has a book coming out. Comedy Samurai. Wow, well that's a really interesting swerve. It's a really interesting segue you tried to do there.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Well, he ultimately controls casting. You didn't cast me in the movie. We should have cast you in the film. And I put you guys in my special. What part do you... You guys are always on the podcast. You're correct. You're correct.
Starting point is 00:47:57 And I feel like... No, we always... I couldn't ask to be in the Belhouse. Belhouse improv. Not for the improv-icon. Yeah, and thank you for that. I'll be honest. Thank you for those platforms. The check is bigger for Belhouse House Improv. Not for the Improvathon. Yeah, thank you for that.
Starting point is 00:48:05 I'll be honest. Thank you for those platforms. The check is bigger for Bell House Improv than it was for the film. Probably for the movie. Now, which part do you feel you should have played? Because whatever you say is correct. I honor we should have cast you in the film. Matt would have been...
Starting point is 00:48:20 one of the neighbors, probably. I would have been great as one of the neighbors. I think so. And you know it's true. Maybe when Darcy peeks her head out and goes the fuck hearing us have sex you're with her in a nightrobe You guys are I said babe get the fuck back in That would have been baby. Why are you in the hall always? Get the fuck back and you go baby, they're gay guys they fuck loud baby get back in here back in here Why you always in the hallway, baby?
Starting point is 00:48:45 You see what I mean? Like you had an opportunity for the movie to be funny in that part. Yeah, I know. We squandered that. You squandered it. We squandered that. We squandered that.
Starting point is 00:48:53 We squandered that. We squandered it. We squandered it. You guys, I'm kidding. But I will have my revenge. Do you think Darcy's character is homophobic in that? Yes. Do you think she's defucking gay sex?
Starting point is 00:49:04 Yes. Gay guy, she's like, I don't like's defucking like gay sex? Gay, yes. Gay guy, she's like, I don't like that. I don't think she knows they're identical twin brothers having sex. But if she did, it would make things even worse. Cause do they fuck, do the boys fuck when they moved, the same day they moved in? Yes, there's still boxes everywhere.
Starting point is 00:49:18 There's still boxes everywhere. That we fuck into. And every, all the props people, I wasn't props people, whoever it was, I'm not throwing anyone at the bus. Kept writing like jokes on the boxes like dildos, porn. And Larry was like, this isn't funny. Why do I think that's funny?
Starting point is 00:49:32 And then we were like, it should say fragile. Yes, that's funny. Fragile. And then it's talking to the boxes. I said fragile. That's the joke. That's funny. If you're fucking to a box, I said still those. What is the joke? And why would they have dildos? Like, we're just like the last day of shooting.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Absolutely. Yeah. It could say fragile. Yes, that's a joke. You should have been neighbor to the Darcy's neighbor one. But it's OK, guys, it's in the past. Did we say this last time we hear that Nick Offerman, who plays one of the protesters at one point, while improvising, he said his name like always when everybody was like celebrating right he turned to his neighbor and be like the names Bill Smith And I remember at a break we went up to him we're like well, this is great the character has a name
Starting point is 00:50:20 You're Steve Cheney and he thought he went although protester number three does have a nice ring You're Steve Cheney." And he thought, and he went, although protester number three does have a nice ring. Oh! Because I think he likes that his IMDB says protester number three. What a legend he is. And not like an agent. Not of a pastor, Nick Offerman.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Truly. Just like great shoes, great books take you places. Through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget. I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies. I'm Danielle Robay, and this is Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts. Every week I sit down with your favorite book lovers, authors, celebrities, book talkers, and more to explore the stories that shape us on the page and off.
Starting point is 00:51:05 I've been reading every Reese's Book Club pick, deep diving book talk theories, and obsessing over book to screen casts for years. And now I get to talk to the people making the magic. So if you've ever fallen in love with a fictional character or cried at the last chapter or passed a book to a friend saying, you have to read this. This podcast is for you. Listen to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the iHeartRadio app. Apple podcasts are wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:51:36 I wanna be one of the world's biggest drag queens. You've heard the name Marsha P. Johnson, trans icon, revolutionary, saint. They call me a legend in my own time. But who was she, really? She's strutting up there, waving to the policemen in the cars, pay it no mind. I'm a woman, a real woman. Marsha also survived homelessness, sex work and police violence.
Starting point is 00:52:08 And in 1992, her body was found in the Hudson River. Her death remains unsolved. Marcia was pulled out of the water right over the edge here. Afterlives is a podcast about how trans lives we've lost have reshaped our world. Marsha will tell us who she was in her own words. You're gonna be gagging. Just get your heart ready for heart failure. At a time when trans rights are under attack, her story is more urgent than ever. Listen to Afterlives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Show me how good it can get today, God, and show the rest of the world what we already know. It can't get no better than being Hella Black, Hella Queer, and Hella Christian. My name is Joseph Rees. I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian, a fully black, fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast that explores society, culture, and the intersections of faith and identity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian to hear conversations about what it means to sound the way you look. I think what I've had to make peace with is that every iteration of my voice is given to me by God, and I love it. Books that validated our identity.
Starting point is 00:53:23 The library now for me is a safe space as someone who is writing books that they're trying to take off of shelves. And how we as black queer folks relate to our Christianity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. She was a decorated veteran, a Marine who saved her comrades, a hero.
Starting point is 00:53:51 She was stoic, modest, tough, someone who inspired people. Everyone thought they knew her, until they didn't. I remember sitting on her couch and asking her, is this real? Is this real? Is this real? Is this real? I just couldn't wrap my head around what kind of person would do that to another person that was getting treatment, that was dying.
Starting point is 00:54:19 This is a story all about trust and about a woman named Sarah Kavanaugh. I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? all about trust and about a woman named Sarah Kavanaugh. I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying. Listen to Deep Cover, The Truth About Sarah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Did you guys watch Parker Posey and Lisa Crudeau's Actors on Actors? Yes. They bring up Megan Mullally. OK, I watched the first like 15, 20 minutes of it, and then I was with some people who were like, I can't follow them. That's the point. I was like, it's Lisa and Parker. Like, it's not going to be just like. It was more like non sequiturs levels like this. I was like, it's Lisa and Parker. Like, it's not going to be just like.
Starting point is 00:55:05 It was more like, it's non sequiturs levels. Like try listening to this podcast. That's unfollowable. They won't. They won't. But I was like, I was thinking to myself like, what do you, why would you want them to be, this is, this is melodic. Watching the two of them be themselves at each other like this.
Starting point is 00:55:22 I loved it. Two trumpets. But people were mouthy about, some gays were very angsty and mouthy about that interview. two of them be themselves at each other like this. Two trumpets. I loved it. Two trumpets. Two trumpets. But people were mouthy about, some gays were very angsty and mouthy about that interview. I have a question that I want us to decide on on air. Because if it's four cities, what are the cities? New York, LA, Chicago, and of course Orlando, Florida.
Starting point is 00:55:38 Oh, that's you. Interesting. Because then it pays for a trip. New York, which I've still done. You have to think like me. Can I tell New York. You have to think like me. Can I tell you something? You have to think like me. And we have to close the tour there so we can hang after a group. If you don't think like me, you might not go to Orlando.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Oh. That's true. I might not. And I'm also looking at the crew. If you don't start thinking like me, you're never going to get to Orlando. Beautiful place. Beautiful place. You might never get there. They'll pack up the cameras and leave. They understand. They're laughing right now, but it'll hit them later that they should really think about it. It's not a really.
Starting point is 00:56:10 And just so you know, you can't hear it, but the crew's been laughing so much the whole episode. I'm clocking when they're laughing. They can't say something. They don't love the dirty stuff. It scares them. It's pride, you guys. Well, I certainly don't see you in your pride outfits. Can I get a little sort of a fun everyone to say Kevin Spacey was Rob. Can I say who's OK?
Starting point is 00:56:30 You are OK because you voted. I'm OK because it's a fun shirt. You, it's Pride, it's turnstile. You claim it's gay hard rock music. You, cheetah print. Makes me think Alisa Rinna. You're good. The two on the crew?
Starting point is 00:56:41 I don't know. Did you cut it? It's giving, what is, what would you call this? It's giving us a shirt. That's like a cool shirt. That's a really handsome, actually. Converse. Converse, yeah, it's good.
Starting point is 00:56:52 Chuck's. Bold in the rain. Some white, some fun white. Are you okay? Oh yeah. This looks okay. He did say we have mutual friends and one of them was Patty Harrison.
Starting point is 00:56:59 So you're okay with me. Well that's so respect. Yeah, and Sachi Ezra. Sachi, we love Sachi. Of course. Yeah, so he's okayra. Sachi, we love Sachi. Of course. Yeah. So he's OK with me. Everyone here is OK. OK. Now bring him bring him in from outside.
Starting point is 00:57:11 No, no. We're going to go one by one. Bringing civilians off the road. I got to tell you, we're actually around a really good dog today. Maggie. Maggie the dog. Maggie the dog. And you know, Maggie. She's recently turned five. Maggie has a dog's name is a little bit of a trigger for me because one of my dogs. Yeah, you had a Maggie. But do you know Maggie. She's recently turned to Maggie. Maggie as a dog's name is a little bit of a trigger for me because one of my dogs was Maggie.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Yeah, you had a Maggie. But that's, do you find it, you like it or you make you do that? It makes me remember her. She actually was the best. That's kinda nice. But then, she died. She died.
Starting point is 00:57:35 She didn't make it past 10 actually. I'm telling you about some of these dogs. Now tell Maggie to cover her ears out there. But they're inbred. They're inbred. They're inbred. Aaron, I do want to ask you a vulnerable question. Yeah. And look at you smiling to try to try to put up a front, put up a disguise.
Starting point is 00:57:59 Do you foresee you and Michael wanting to have another dog? Because I had a dog who is dead. Lady. Named Lady. I think so, but I think in a while. I want to be. I want to be. Well, I want to be rich enough to pay for a dog who is dead. Lady. Name Lady. I think so. But I think in a while, I want to be. I want to be well, I want to be rich enough to pay for a dog walk. Yes. Oh, huge.
Starting point is 00:58:11 Yeah. Clutch. Yeah. And when you want to go out of town, be able to drop the dog. Well, well, let's set the ticket price for for the tour. But also, should we have a string section? Like we should have an orchestra. Yeah, we should have a
Starting point is 00:58:23 string section for strings, for strings, for every We should have a string section. Four strings? Four strings! Four of every instrument! Four drummers, four guitarists, four keyboards, four strings. I thought the strings were like the four strings on most string instruments. Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:37 But there's so many ways to go about this. Here's how to fill out the show. Four group songs. Four solos. But with backup. But four solos, I can't tell if that's too much or if we just each do a solo and that's eight songs. Can I actually literally tell you what we'll have time for
Starting point is 00:58:57 as someone who's done a show with music? It has to be four. I'm telling you four songs. Because we're going to be talking so much. We're not going to be able to be four. Four what? I'm telling you four songs. Because we're going to be talking so much. We're going to be, we're not going to be able to stop talking. Well, what if we, what if we make the show? No, listen to me, please. I'm trying. I'm trying.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Because if you think more like me, you won't have problems. I won't? No. Four and they're each theme to a season. Or they're each theme to one of us. Or an element. Like we take this avatar. Or an avatar.
Starting point is 00:59:28 Like we come out. Or a cardinal direction. Wait a minute. Yeah, that's all, this is all good. Wait, okay, what are our avatar elements? Like, do we all have different signs? No, we're both water. And you're air and earth.
Starting point is 00:59:42 So then you're earth, you're air. I think Matt, even though he's a water sign, has fire qualities. Do you know you're rising or you're? I'm water, water, water. I'm probably the most water here. That's the most fire you can get. I don't have any water.
Starting point is 00:59:55 I think Bowen is, and I'll say this just to you guys, confused because I'm wearing a yellow and red shirt. Well, you're Tina Burner. You're Tina Burner. You guys have been. I mean, I've seen it. I think because I'm dressed like've seen it a thousand times. Because I'm dressed like Tina burner BC before colors.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Before all stars. Before color. Before new colors. BNC. BNC. Before new colors. I'm the DNC. Tina burner BNC.
Starting point is 01:00:17 BNC is fun. Tina, use that. You can use that. You can use that, Tina. Tina, it's yours. Robbed. But yeah, no, I could be fire. I just think you're the fiery one out of the four of us.
Starting point is 01:00:29 What else is in your chart? I have fire. Air, I think I'm water, air, air. I'm air, air, water, I think. Or air, water, water, but I think I'm double air, water. What are you? I don't remember. Aquarius.
Starting point is 01:00:40 I don't remember. I think you have earth. I think you have Capricorn. I'd have to look it up again. And what are you? Earth. Er, Taurus. Earth. I think you have Capricorners. I'd have to look it up again. And what are you? Earth. Er-Taurus. Earth.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Gemini. Air. Moon. Air. And then Aries, Rising Fire. Okay, yeah, so you- No, Wada. That's why I smile when I'm- because my emotions are not accessible to me.
Starting point is 01:00:57 Yeah. I don't believe that for a second, though. I'm an actress. You're getting quieter and quieter. Oh, here's what happened. Here's something that I have umbrage with. Okay. Professor J.K. Rowling. Reed Harry Potter.
Starting point is 01:01:10 Yes. Every time we say something like that, it is, of course, an endorsement. An endorsement. Yeah. We were in Fire Island, these three and someone named Matt Whitaker. Oh, and then they all come up to me and they say, we found out what little women we are. Oh, we did they all come up to me. They say, we found out what little women we are. Oh, we did. They say, Matt Whitaker's Joe, Matt Rogers is Amy, Bowen's Beth, and you're Meg. And I go, I'm Meg.
Starting point is 01:01:33 And they go, cause you're the actress. And she lost her mind. I go, you two are booking acting work every day of your lives. I am a published novelist. You're right. Oh, we're- Furious, incensed, erased my whole identity.
Starting point is 01:01:49 No, Aaron. Calling me a working actor. Anyway- At least you got assigned one of the women. Well, you were away, Mr. March. You're Laura Dern. Thank you, I'm Marmee. You're Marmee.
Starting point is 01:02:01 I'm Marmee. You are Marmee. I want days of plenty. Is that from the musical? Yeah. Which I saw. You have to believe. I don't know why I'm doing it in the musical.
Starting point is 01:02:11 And that girl is good. The girl- It's really bad. It's not really bad. It's so bad. When you take a chance on me. I like it. Doesn't that just- that earworm give you Louisa May Alka?
Starting point is 01:02:23 I am astonishing. I will say I do think astonishing blows out. I like it. Doesn't that just, that earworm give you Louisa May Alka? I am astonishing. I will say, I do think astonishing blows ass. It's so bad. People just think it's good because there is a big note. Cause Sutton is belting. But the scansion is wrong. Astonishing.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Scansion is wrong. But don't forget we're Stansion Kings. But Amy was played by the same actress, young and old, and everyone was gagged for Florence Pugh. And I was like, they did it on Broadway in 2002. Oh. Get this girl her flowers. I did, okay, can I, I'm gonna bravely say
Starting point is 01:02:51 my take about the Florence Pugh performance as an adult, as the like older version. Yeah, bring Kirsten Dunst back. I think it, I think it should be two people. CGI Kirsten back into it. Kirsten was perfect. Woo, and she burned that book. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Kirsten was perfect. Woo, and she burned that book. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:07 No, Kirsten is perfect in everything. It's true. And Winona was a great job. I love Winona. And you know what else? What else Winona is like a perfect blueprint for is Abigail Williams. She's so good in the movie. And you'll be seeing John Proctor as the villain today.
Starting point is 01:03:20 I'm so excited. With Joan Allen as Elizabeth. Joan Allen. Joan Allen. As Elizabeth asked for a nomination. Come on. She's so good. Yeah. I'm so excited. With Joan Allen as Elizabeth. Joan Allen. Joan Allen. As Elizabeth asked for a nomination. Come on. She's so good. Yeah, and for Ice Storm too. Ice Storm too. In Ice Storm she was, you have some marker.
Starting point is 01:03:31 I believe she was. You have some marker on her keys and you're going to find her keys. Yeah. So fucked. She's got one for a movie called The Contender too. Oh right, which I've never seen. Yeah, so Joan Allen is. I love Joan Allen.
Starting point is 01:03:42 I saw her in a middling play, not her fault, and not the pay rights fault, and no one's fault. You're a fault, maybe. It may be my fault. I was on the front row, and she's just crying real tears. Is she like, yeah, God bless you, honey, in this fine play. Giving it all you got.
Starting point is 01:03:58 Love Joan Allen. Love her. H of the week. They're crying for me. Wet woman. A wet woman. Everyone making joke about Jonathan Groff being wet. Well, he calls himself wet a lot. It's the clip he did.
Starting point is 01:04:11 Because he spit. He spit. Yeah, and he was, they were asking him a question. I'm a spit or two, not like that. He was like, I get very wet. That is the way he's chosen to do. And Daniel Radcliffe was asking, he was like, say that another way.
Starting point is 01:04:18 He was like, I'm wet. He was like, cure yourself, say it another way. Daniel Radcliffe. It was a Vanity Fair thing. Please read Harry Potter. Please read Harry Potter. Please read Harry Potter. Please read all the books. If you haven't yet, then read.
Starting point is 01:04:30 They are a really enchanting story. Although, have we ever talked about Hogwarts legacy? You would not? I never played. See, like there is such an internal debate among gay gamers. About whether or not we can play it. But it's like, it's tough.
Starting point is 01:04:45 Like, I don't know where to land on this because like the developers have taken a stance where you can't make a trans character. Right. And they're clearly like, hey, we don't fuck with JK. I don't think anyone cares except JK. Like that's the thing is it's like,
Starting point is 01:04:57 I don't think anyone in that ecosystem is like fuck trans people except JK Rowling himself. But then it's her shit. It's her whole. She's getting attacked. Correct, it's it's her shit. It's her. It's she's getting it. Correct. Yeah. But hey, I should Kevin Spacey's and O'Mary, you understand art and art.
Starting point is 01:05:13 That is when everything swings all the way. I know people mad about the HBO show. People are up in arms if everyone says yes. I think it is worth being up in arms about that for many reasons. And you know what? I can't get over is how ruined those kids already are. Like I was talking to someone who knows and they were like yeah like it's going to be probably before the announcement of their casting like starting therapy about really making them
Starting point is 01:05:37 understand what exactly they've signed up for and that their lives will be forever changed and like you know media training for them the the parents, like, like, like real, real conditioning. They did that for us before Harold Knight. Thank God. Orna came in. Orna came in and did that. Orna came into all of us that got on Harold Knight. Like, is it a good thing to book Harry Potter?
Starting point is 01:06:00 Probably not. No. I don't think so. Daniel's OK. Well, I mean, you're saying now. Yeah, but by the skin of his teeth, he's OK. He of his teeth yeah yeah in a way that's remarkable when someone comes out of that experience yeah I guess I guess are they all English again I think that helps because they're all like do the work darling yeah well what do you mean
Starting point is 01:06:17 again like they're all English in the movies yeah which we love yeah I think it's I think that English are a little more like this is a real doll Like we're like in LA. It's like do coke little girl. Yeah, I think it's a little more like You know, let's do Matilda together I don't think Anyway, so the traders the traders But I'm excited for the traders guys,. I mean, a lot of people upset about Michael Rapoport.
Starting point is 01:06:48 Right. But, you know, whatever. He'll trash take out every time. But what do you think about how they did with the survivors? I think the survivors, they kicked ass with that. I think they probably they probably
Starting point is 01:07:00 like got Rob Sestrino because Survivor didn't and Natalie and Natalie. And Natalie? People were saying she was maybe rumored for 50. Oh, wow. Okay. I like Natalie a lot. Me too. Love.
Starting point is 01:07:11 Queen. Who's the third one? Oh, Jim, Jim, Jim. Yeah, of course. Icon, icon. And then this guy, Ian Terry, a great big brother. And the housewives they've chosen are good too. This is what I-
Starting point is 01:07:22 But they make the same mistake that they've made for the past three seasons, four seasons now, one drag race contestant. I know, just give us two. Just give us two. I had heard a rumor that Jujubee was supposed to be on the traitors. Jujubee would be amazing.
Starting point is 01:07:35 That's what I had heard, cause I think that they were trying to take the note of not just one drag race person. And who is on it? Monet exchange. Well, that's good. Yeah. Well, that I like. Well, that I like.
Starting point is 01:07:45 Well, that I like. I'm interested to see what allyships happen. I do think it's like on paper, it's my favorite people. And I think I know the most of these people. Because sometimes I don't know the Big Brother people. It feels like we really went away from the challenge. Yeah. We really did.
Starting point is 01:08:02 I wonder if that was a note or something. Oh, my God. Did you see Natalie's cryon or whatever it's called. Lower third. What does it say? Amazing race. She was on first, but it is so funny. She's a survivor. She won Survivor and then got on the finals of another Survivor.
Starting point is 01:08:17 Amazing race. Well, you know what? Maybe that's maybe she's pissed off. At Survivor. Yeah, I mean maybe. I think it was maybe just NBC trying to be like, we diversified our profile. I don't know. She was on it first. She was on. There's definitely some type of war between the traders and survivors.
Starting point is 01:08:34 I think the traders, which he should. They like steal all his people. But also, it's like, well, you don't steal. You know, they just give them a chance. It's just Jeff. He's. Yeah. He needs a moratorium on Jeff just Jeff. He's... Yeah. He needs that. Moratorium on Jeff, maybe.
Starting point is 01:08:46 I hate to say it. Not moratorium. What does that mean? Death means death. No, no, no. Crematorium. Moratorium means a pause. It means like, let's do like a discussion post-mortem.
Starting point is 01:08:59 I think it will be worth it to have a... Or no, wait, pause, pause, pause. Sorry, sorry. I'm confusing that with post-mortem. Yes, yes. Moratorium is what you say when one of your friends is being too gay. Yeah, moratorium on Josh. Moratorium. Sorry, sorry. I'm confusing that with post-mortem. Yes, yes. Moratorium is what you say when one of your friends is being too gay. Yeah, moratorium on Drash.
Starting point is 01:09:08 Moratorium on all that. It's pause. Oh, great drag name. Moratorium. Moratorium. Wait, I'm still so pissed. I wanted to say on my criterion closet, my drag name would be Janice Films.
Starting point is 01:09:21 That's really good. You know what I mean? That's really good. Anyway, moratorium I love. Did you guys hear my new drag name? No. Beautiful dress. Oh, mine has always been for a long time pretty girl.
Starting point is 01:09:30 And you go, Hi, I'm pretty. I heard a great one in Fire Island at the little wear away contest. Some gay guy who I'm crediting, some gay guy said Donatella verse top me. And I'd never heard that. Wow, that's really good. Donatella verse top me and I never heard that. Wow. That's really. Donatella verse top me. So if you're that guy.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Verse top me. Verse top me daddy. It's perfect as a verb. Verse top me. Mrs. Verse top me. So how was it last night? I got verse top. It was really good.
Starting point is 01:10:02 He taught me but reminded me he could bottom the whole time. He should verse top me. I can bottom anytime. I top more frequently but I like to bottom. I like to bottom. I like to bottom. But for verse topping to be the full Jaren is really funny. He was verse topping me.
Starting point is 01:10:17 He's verse topping me. He's verse topping me. You know what I mean? Yeah, I work verse topping. Verse topping. Verse topping. Verse top. No, it's better verse topping. Let's just say what we wanna say. Finally Versing topping. Versing top. No, it's better versing topping.
Starting point is 01:10:26 Let's just say what we all wanna say. Finally, I got my verse on top. That's good. Yeah, verse on top. Weird Al. Tops, vers, bottoms. We have to stop saying up as three different things and we have to start a war.
Starting point is 01:10:39 Tops, vers, bottoms. Like Twinks versus Dolls. Wow, Twinks versus Dolls. It's time we settle this in the streets. And I think the Bottoms are going to win. You think? Will they have something to prove? You think so?
Starting point is 01:10:51 Well, and they have skills. Wait, Tops have skills. No, they don't. No, they don't. Topping, what else? No, that's no. Already no. Verbal.
Starting point is 01:10:59 Verbal. No. Tops have no skills. Okay, so you think? And Bottoms skills are? Everything. Taking dick. Everything. And cock. Think of have no skills. Okay, so you... And bottoms skills are... Everything. Taking dick. Everything.
Starting point is 01:11:07 And cock. Think of the bottoms, you know. They're artists, they're painters, they're sculptors. Bottoms are resourceful. They're intelligent. They're painters. They're painters, they're sculptors. They're your mother, they're your daughter.
Starting point is 01:11:15 Fuck your mother. Tops are nothing. Tops are nothing. Tops are nothing. And they bring nothing. Just like great shoes, great books take you places. Through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget.
Starting point is 01:11:32 I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of like butterflies. I'm Danielle Robay and this is Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts. Every week I sit down with your favorite book lovers, authors, celebrities, book talkers, and more to explore the stories that shape us, on the page and off. I've been reading every Reese's Book Club pick, deep diving book talk theories, and obsessing over book to screen casts for years. And now I get to talk to the people making the magic.
Starting point is 01:12:03 So if you've ever fallen in love with a fictional character, or cried at the last chapter, or passed a book to a friend saying, you have to read this, this podcast is for you. Listen to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I want to be one of the world's biggest drag queens. You've heard the name Marsha P. Johnson, trans icon, revolutionary, saint. They call me a legend in my own time.
Starting point is 01:12:38 But who was she, really? She's strutting up there, waving to the policemen in the cars, pay it no mind. I'm a woman, a real woman. Marcia also survived homelessness, sex work, and police violence. And in 1992, her body was found in the Hudson River. Her death remains unsolved. Marcia was pulled out of the water, right over the edge here.
Starting point is 01:13:07 —Afterlives is a podcast about how trans lives we've lost have reshaped our world. Marsha will tell us who she was in her own words. —You're gonna be gagging. Just get your heart ready for heart failure. —At a time when trans rights are under attack, her story is more urgent than ever. Listen to Afterlives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Show me how good it can get today, God, and show the rest of the world what we already know. It can't get no better than being hella black, hella queer, and hella Christian.
Starting point is 01:13:41 My name is Joseph Rees. I am the creator and host of hella black, hella queer, hella Christian. My name is Joseph Rees. I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian. A fully black, fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast that explores society, culture, and the intersections of faith and identity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian to hear conversations about what it means to sound the way you look. I think what I've had to make peace with is that every iteration of my voice is given to me by God, and I love it.
Starting point is 01:14:09 Books that validated our identity. The library now for me is a safe space as someone who is writing books that they're trying to take off of shelves. And how we as black queer folks relate to our Christianity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:14:32 She was a decorated veteran, a Marine who saved her comrades, a hero. She was stoic, modest, tough, someone who inspired people. Everyone thought they knew her, until they didn't. I remember sitting on her couch and asking her, is this real? Is this real? Is this real? Is this real? I just couldn't wrap my head around what kind of person would do that to another person
Starting point is 01:15:01 that was getting treatment, that was dying. This is a story all about trust and about a woman named Sarah Kavanaugh. I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying. Listen to Deep Cover, The Truth About Sarah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I really wanna go to Twinks versus Dolls this year. Me too, but it's always like-
Starting point is 01:15:38 It's so packed. It's packed and there's like, there's no air conditioning, you're allowed to smoke cigarettes, you're in a war-torn Because one of the events is like who can smoke a cigarette the fastest I celebrate But as I recently walked into a house party and went I stepped through the door and said I'm too old I don't I I love the youth and I love to be the old weird grandmother with the youth. But sometimes you just walk in and you're like, oh, of course.
Starting point is 01:16:09 And that is that is simply I want with like air conditioning in the event in the middle of pride. Yes. Yes. Yes. Not because of the Twinks and the Dolls fighting. I would love to watch that at my age or any age. There was actually a time like not long ago where I was I was sort of talking about like how oh, I was talking to someone, but then I realized they were 22 and I just couldn't talk to them anymore. And I realized I was, and I realized I was talking to a bunch of 24 year olds. Right.
Starting point is 01:16:32 And I was just like, got it. Got it. And I realized I'm old and weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's brave to be both. It's brave to be both. Old versus weird. Yeah. That's going to be both. It's brave to be both. Old versus weird. Yeah, old versus weird. Old versus weird. That's going to be a crazy war. Cool shit weird chat. I miss cool shit weird chat.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Me too. An era. An era. An era. Tell us about Tadah. Yeah, tell us what that is. What's tell us about Tadah? I'd love to.
Starting point is 01:17:00 So I'll be telling some of my jokes and my stories. Yes. In the narrative stand up kind of way. And yet I'll be telling some of my jokes and my stories in the narrative stand up kind of way. And yet I'll be doing a 2000 slide PowerPoint where I'm powering it and I've memorized all the cues. So we're sort of juggling that tightrope walk while we give you the laughs and pathos that is the off-Broadway standup experience.
Starting point is 01:17:18 When, what will it feel like, you know, when you, you know, hopefully this is in decades from now when you close the show, but what will it feel like to you know, when you, you know, hopefully this is in decades from now when you close the show. But what will it feel like to release those cues that have been sort of swimming in your brain? How is he to know? How is he to know how that will feel? Yeah, it's not the future yet.
Starting point is 01:17:34 I'm going to, I know when the show ends, I'm going to make them open source, copyright free. Everyone can own it. Everyone can do with them what they want. I love that. So how are you going to make it funny? You got to make Ru laugh. you going to make it funny? You got to make Rue laugh. You got to make me laugh. What a crazy thing to say to me now.
Starting point is 01:17:51 Make me laugh. Bowen Connection is the person who's designed because there's a lot of text in the show. We got a custom font made by Mr. Teddy Blanks, who did the title cards for Wicked. And Barbie, and Nosferatu. Wow. Text queen. Text queen. And he made Barbie. And Nosferatu. Wow.
Starting point is 01:18:05 Text queen. And he made me a font that I'll be using. Can I say something about people who make typefaces, fonts, and also who like graphic design and brand shit at the highest caliber? Is it appropriate to say? They felt different once too. They felt different once too.
Starting point is 01:18:19 They felt different once too. No, they're like, they're just like comedy nerds. Emily O'Hara at Pentagon, Teddy. There's like- Teddy did O'Mary as well. Like these people nerds. Emily Obermann at Pentagon, Teddy. There's like- Teddy did O'Mary as well. Like these people just, Kate, Cape Erland Show, Kate. He did Kate's show.
Starting point is 01:18:30 Like these people just love a comedy show. Like Emily Obermann like designed every SNL logo since the 90s, designed the 30 Rock logo for the show, designed like, just designs everything. What comedy were you in too when you were little? Can we save? And she's working on culture awards. I was about to say. You can cut it.
Starting point is 01:18:48 Nah. I don't care. No, she doesn't care. I love that. I don't care either. She wants people to know of her work. She does. No, but Pentagon is slay.
Starting point is 01:18:57 Pentagon, like when I was working in graphic design, everyone was like, well, that's Emily Obermann. That's Pentagon. Yeah, and you're learning in these things. And that's something in my brain. I wish I had a better eye for that. But I'm glad other people do. That's Pentagon. Yeah, and you're learning in these things. And I'm looking and I'm... That's something in my brain. I wish I had a better eye for that. But I'm glad other people do. There you go.
Starting point is 01:19:09 One time I was in a musical and I was playing a role. And usually like the roles don't dance a lot. And I was with another role and we were standing in the back. And I was like, I wish I could dance. And then he goes to me, but then we wouldn't get to watch. Wow! I thought that was beautiful. Oh my God. That's gorgeous. Oh, I love then we wouldn't get to watch. Wow. I thought that was beautiful. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:19:25 That's gorgeous. Oh, I love to watch. I love to watch. Can I just say, that's how I feel when y'all talk about the traders. Really? I go, you go, when you like to know more about the traders, but then I wouldn't get to watch.
Starting point is 01:19:38 You know what I mean? You can always watch the show and then participate in the conversation. No, no, no. You'll pop in and out. No, no, no. No, but why, why, I, no. No, no, no. No, but why? Why? I ask with no judgment, but only curiosity.
Starting point is 01:19:48 Why haven't you like been like, let me try. My truth is I find it to be boring. I love that my sisters love it. I feel neutral on the show and thus I don't really watch, but I can watch with my girls and be disconnected from the season and have fun watching that. The challenges literally do not matter. So that is like a huge flaw of the show. And also half of the episode could be cut
Starting point is 01:20:12 and it wouldn't matter in the slightest. But I know this is a reckless aspect of the show, but I also don't watch like any of the franchises they draw from. So I also don't really care about these people. That's what I meant. I meant like even the survivors and for both of you, and this is purely, this is not a casual story. Housewives and all of it all. That's what I meant. I meant like even the survivors and for both of you, and this is purely, this is not a casual story.
Starting point is 01:20:27 Housewives and all of these things. Like I feel like you, there is, there is a adjacent alternate timeline where you guys are obsessed with these. Well, let me say, if Traders was drawing from love on the spectrum, couples therapy and Bake Off, I'd be watching. You'd be tuning in.
Starting point is 01:20:42 It should be Bake Off, couples therapy and love on the spectrum people. Then I'm watching. My reality., I'd be watching. They should bake off, couples therapy, and love on the spectrum, people. Then I'm watching, you know I'm watching. I usually only like reality TV when it's a contest. So that's my problem with Housewives, is like I find it tedious when like no one gets eliminated. See, I think your issue is you're not watching Housewives like it's a contest.
Starting point is 01:21:02 Totally. I like at the end of the season, the winner is. No, to be honest, when I see the reunion at the end and you see where they're all sitting, it's almost like those are their final seeds. Totally. And then from there. But I like the next season, all new people playing the game again. Sure, sure.
Starting point is 01:21:18 Versus like, and now that, you know, I don't care. I love it. I love to watch it with people while they tell me what I am watching. Me too. Aaron's introduced me to all the peak survivor seasons. I've had an amazing time. I often watch Housewives when I'm on a jet blue flight. I have an amazing time.
Starting point is 01:21:33 So I get why my sisters like them, even if they're not the shows that are for me. They're not the culture that made me say culture is for me. What is something that your lover was into that as a result of them just sort of being so into it that now you're into it? Oh, yeah. You both have a long time partners and I would imagine you at least picked up something from them and weren't just so into your own thing and just only ever thinking about what you want to do and acting like a narcissist that I think at some point there must have been something. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 01:22:05 Would you say that back? I was not listening. I was thinking about myself. Just say that all again. I was thinking about myself. I just hope that there was at least one time where you were like, hey, that's interesting. Something someone else was doing, saying,
Starting point is 01:22:16 being involved in. What was that? And do I have to be into it now myself or can I just enjoy it? Well, ideally, Aaron, ideally it was something that was interesting enough that your partner was into that you wanted to stick with it. There's a meme that Michael and I trade.
Starting point is 01:22:30 It's two kittens and one sort of has his or hers little hands out. And it goes me listening to my partner's interests. And the guy's happy. That's really cute. Michael likes to just sort of like often stand because he's a he's a mover around. Whereas I'm sort of I'm always like draped across furniture and stand because he's a he's a mover around whereas I'm sort of yeah
Starting point is 01:22:45 I'm always like draped across furniture. Yeah He's will just stand and tell me about something that I have no that I could never do or understand I'm simply the cat and so while you're like that like the cat are you remembering what he's saying? I remember some stuff, but you know some say he gets granular He's telling me about like sewing patterns and they and I'm like I will understand this. So that's not one of the things I'm asking about. You don't understand. Something that he... Yeah, what's something he loves you now love because...
Starting point is 01:23:11 You know, he probably... No, no, no. You knew him. I'm trying to think of a singing artist he got me into, but that would be like back in college, because now we're so enmeshed. Well, what about 20 years of fucking? His Kenus and Anus. I love... He got me into those, honey.
Starting point is 01:23:25 Couldn't get you out. Couldn't get you out. Get me out. You got stuck famously. Whoa. Had a high towel down to the hospital. There is this like subgenre of erotica, like, you know, fiction where like he got you into. No, I sadly got myself into this. But I don't even like the genre, but I've read it. It's like the got the top is really stupid, like very, very dumb.
Starting point is 01:23:48 How novel. Yeah. Likely stories. Every porn. He keeps accidentally like, whoa, like getting stuck in the bottom or the cocksucker. Oh, I can't get out. Like, oh, my God. In their body or in things like in their mouth or hole. Like, whoa, I can't get out. I don't know how. In their body or in things? Like in their mouth or hole. Like, whoa, I can't get it out.
Starting point is 01:24:07 Whoa. It's like a- And is the bottom sort of like, ugh. I feel like it is usually told from the bottom's POV. And they're like, and you're here. Yeah, yeah. It's more like, I, you know, my roommate was so, huh. Thirst person.
Starting point is 01:24:21 Wait, so, sorry. It's sort of a, I guess it's almost fantasy. So Michael got you into this. No, Michael, Michael. Your husband, Michael, so sorry. I it's sort of like this. I guess it's got you into this. Michael, Michael, your husband. Where is Michael? Just to just to confirm, we did not. Find a thing, we didn't find a thing.
Starting point is 01:24:35 I think of something. What about you? I don't want to give her more airtime, but Blake did get me into Harry Potter because I had not read and he was so into it. Let's give her more airtime. No, fuck her. No, fuck her.
Starting point is 01:24:45 Yeah, fuck her. Fuck her. Fuck the show. Yeah. I actually my real take is I don't want to watch that show. I think fuck her. Who the fuck is going to watch that show? Every episode. Just to make clear. Especially because we already fucking know it. The movies don't need the show.
Starting point is 01:24:57 We already have the movies. You already have the books. What's done is done. It's HBO Max needing they are desperate always for another game of cards. Of course, of course. But yeah, he did get me into that. And then there's more, like you saying, like not culture, but temperament things. He slows me down in ways that I appreciate.
Starting point is 01:25:15 That's wonderful. I wanna do something. I want each of us to go around and for each of the other three people say a thing that the person got them into. Oh, I love this. This is really good. Wait. OK, I want to get this right. I think it's both of you.
Starting point is 01:25:32 For me, it would be music. I can think of like specific specific music. And I would say for Aaron, you reinforcing like the survivor thing for me, because you had and I feel like my also guy Branum used to talk about it a lot. And I was just like once I realized that like gays like we're having fun talking about it like you. You you really have Matt Rogers.
Starting point is 01:25:56 Broaden my pop music knowledge in a way that I appreciate because I even like pop, but I listen to a lot of other things. And you've like gotten me into some girls I wouldn't have gotten into. Really? Yeah. You because it came up And you've like gotten me into some girls I wouldn't have gotten into. Really? Yeah. You because it came up earlier. You did get me into couples therapy. Which and he got me into couples there. Oh, I didn't know that came from you.
Starting point is 01:26:11 I love that. Let down. There's other things. I feel like earlier in our relationship, you helped me fill in some of the gaps of like Aaron Canonical. This is to Aaron Jackson. Canonical, you know, old school Hollywood queer film.
Starting point is 01:26:24 Because I had the top line, but it's like, I had only seen like three Betty Davis movies before in that era. And then exactly. Over 60 or something, I think. Yes. And then I think you definitely got me into Persona 5 and then probably other video games.
Starting point is 01:26:36 It's most, I'm a video game guy. I'm that too. I will say weirdly, weirdly, but like Jesus Christ Superstar, I never, the first time I saw it was the live version at your house. Yes, oh my God, that was so fun. That was fun.
Starting point is 01:26:53 A bunch of music for you, a bunch of TV, but mostly TV for you. There you go. Probably the reality comes from me to you too. Yes, yes, and I love, but it is transferred in this direction too. Sometimes Aaron reinforces what Matt tells me Matt, what Matt tells me about. You know, what's interesting is it's like, it's funny to like have that question
Starting point is 01:27:11 and then us like have to answer it about you guys, because it's not to be like twee or earnest, but truly is like comedy at large, like in being yourself on stage. Like, so that's like actually true and real. I remember when you guys like were inviting us to hang out with you guys, it was like, wow, because you guys were the people that we looked up to. So I guess that's the answer, if we're to be truly honest. You're. Do you remember you're going to do that? At the duplex? No, no.
Starting point is 01:27:38 Wait. And for the tour, will you do that? No, no. That is actually. We do bang bang. I don't think that's your solo. No you do Bang Bang? That's your solo number? Can I tell you something? Whenever I'm suggesting solo numbers, you're gonna think it's like, oh, so Matt can do his bullshit.
Starting point is 01:27:50 No, it's so Bowen can sing Bang Bang. Oh, I know. And I like to give them some of the lore again. We gave them Barracuda. Yeah, Bang Bang is a signature piece that needs to come back. I literally think of you when I, no matter who sings that, Nancy Sinatra or whatever. No, he does it better.
Starting point is 01:28:03 It's like Bowen. He does it better than Gaga. No, but I'm doing a Gaga impression when I sing well and better and you've made it your own Stephanie would agree it's the best performance of the song I've seen can I say something I'm reading Jeff Hiller's memoir right now delightful plug he brings up this moment of like him being the, you know, like only gay guy at UCB and how much he was like, you know, referencing Wicked on Harold Knight and the coach being like, that's too niche. Don't make references like that.
Starting point is 01:28:34 You know what I mean? I love that. Then through like seeing us do twins and then all of this, he was like, I sort of learned from my daughters to be myself. I feel that in a big way too, of like when you're saying like, oh, Utah, I'm like, yeah, but then when y'all were doing what you were doing,
Starting point is 01:28:50 it allowed me to be like, oh shit, there's parts of myself I'm not accessing and not leaning into. It's all cyclical, you know what I mean? Where are your younger cousins? It's intergenerational. Yeah, exactly. It's not daughters. Kitten cousins.
Starting point is 01:29:00 I just mean, yeah. Kitten cousins. And also this is all to say Jeff is mother and everyone needs to put respect on Jeff Hiller. Oh God, I love you Ler hundred a moment by his book by his book and watch the show and watch the show I love the show. I mean that is interesting But I think there's that it's a more holistic thing cuz I'm like sitting here being like but what is it? And then I'm like, oh, it's like it's it's hard to pinpoint because it's just like been everything
Starting point is 01:29:26 hmm, I And I'm like, oh, it's like, it's hard to pinpoint because it's just like been everything. Hmm. I love that. We should write a Broadway show. We should write a Broadway show. All of us? It's for the tour. For the tour? It's about- I think it goes to Broadway.
Starting point is 01:29:35 Do you think getting- No, it's like not in four cities, it's on Broadway. It's on Broadway, that's one of the four cities. Four cities. Broadway, Hollywood. West End. West End. Disney. Tokyo of the four cities. Four cities. Broadway. Hollywood. West End. West End. Disney.
Starting point is 01:29:47 Tokyo. Disney. Tokyo. I want to do one of the like little amphitheaters in the park. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like as one of the... Like a gazebo by a...
Starting point is 01:29:55 Muppet vision. That theater's free. Muppet vision. We can do it in the Muppet vision. Not for long. What are they putting in? So the Muppet section in Hollywood Studios is going down so that Monster Zink can be built. Oh good, I love Monster Zink.
Starting point is 01:30:07 The Muppets are now going to Rock and Roller Coaster. Okay. So it's sort of as is written, so it shall be done, Aerosmith bequeaths to the Muppets, who bequeath to Monster Zink. So Rock and Roller Coaster is not going to be about Aerosmith, it's going to be about Kermit. It will be Rock and Roller Coaster starring the Muppets. Okay. Which I think is kind of fierce. Rock and Roller Coaster is not going to be about Aerosmith anymore, it's going to be about Kermit. It will be Rock and Roller Coaster starring the Muppets. Okay, that's good. Which I think is kind of fierce.
Starting point is 01:30:27 I like that. I always thought I learned to ride Rock and Roller Coaster, but I did think an Aerosmith ride was a little- At Disney? Yeah, a little strange. It needs to go 10 years ago. Whereas the Muppets are a big family band working together. Matt had a theory that Rock and Roller Coaster
Starting point is 01:30:44 was going to go to Olivia Rodrigo. I was told that in a real way. And it was someone who claimed that they knew. It was like, well, you know, they're changing the theming of Rock and Rollercoaster from Aerosmith to Olivia Rodrigo. And in fact, I kind of I kind of understand it on like a I'm gay level. But does that work on a world level level? Like in five years,
Starting point is 01:31:05 this woman is gonna look completely different. Right. And she's like, none of them will be visually relevant. Wait, who is it? It should be the Goofy movie band. Oh, Powerline. Powerline, yeah, thank you. Well, wait, is it Tom Nye and Charlton who have the,
Starting point is 01:31:20 they have a bit that they want Disney to be, they want the characters to be controlled like by each character has a president. So like Mickey has a president. Goofy has a president president or you know of the of their is their like main PR person and they're like working around like so they control everything like putting Donald in the movie getting Donald a ride collabing with another character. It's just really funny. It's like a publicist war between the two of them. And it called them the big six.
Starting point is 01:31:48 And who do you think the big six Disney characters are? I love that. Well, it's Mickey. It's Minnie. But they probably share a publicist. No, you don't think so. You don't think. OK, we're giving her autonomy and her autonomy is to choose. Everything is just the girl version of Mickey. OK, if I'm her publicist, I'm fucking getting on the phone. Mickey Goofy Donald, cause they're all in Kingdom Hearts.
Starting point is 01:32:08 There you go. This is just a bad publicist if she's just getting her the girl version of Mickey. I'm just saying, if you're to tell me that Mickey and Minnie have a different publicist, I think Minnie's publicist fucking sucks. Well, no, she needs one. You think Carrie Coon and Tracy Letts
Starting point is 01:32:22 have the same publicist? They do different things, doll. I think Tracy Letts have the same publicist? They do different things. I think Tracy Letts has no to a lot more than Carrie Kuhn. Repress opportunities because they have different publicists. Yeah, I don't know that they do. I actually would. You know what? I bet Tracy Letts is like doesn't even really use a writer. And so is Mickey. Mickey's a writer.
Starting point is 01:32:42 Minnie's a star. We don't think that that's true. We don't really see Mickey out there. Mickey's not out there that much either. Shy Guy. He's a writer. This is what I'm going to say. He's the Tracy Letts. Mickey is Tracy Letts. I really think Mickey and Minnie have the same publicist.
Starting point is 01:32:56 Wow. Just like I think Donald and Daisy. No, you know what? Daisy has a different. Daisy. Daisy is not. Because you can talk about Daisy and what she's up to and what she's into, but you can't say that about Minnie. No, but Donald, I fear Donald has Scientologist vibes because Daisy is not showing up anywhere. It's Shelley Misgivage vibes.
Starting point is 01:33:16 What are you talking about? You know exactly where she is. She's in that room at the Disney World ride where she teaches us ballet. In media, we don't see her. You don't see Daisy out. It's a huge under-representation of Daisy.
Starting point is 01:33:28 You can't say that Daisy Duck is like Shelly Miscavige when no one knows where Shelly Miscavige is. And no one knows where Daisy is. She's in two places. The Mickey and Minnie Runaway Railway in Orlando and the one in Anaheim. We've seen her twice.
Starting point is 01:33:42 And remind us all what she does on the railway. The Shelly Miscavige thing is serious. The Daisy Duck thing her twice. It's not true. I saw what she does on the runway. The Shelley Miskovic thing is serious. The Daisy Duck thing is not. She's got her own publicist and she has a job. She's a dance teacher. I think this is good. This is good. And then we were thinking, well, Chippendale.
Starting point is 01:33:58 Goofy's got a fucked publicist. Like it's a gooner. Goofy's publicist is a gooner. The publicist is a gooner or Goofy's a to be a good. The publicist is a good or goofy is a good. I think they're both good. But what is that? Why not? I've been really saying it a lot lately. Josh has been saying that a lot due to his Spanish lessons, I guess.
Starting point is 01:34:18 Yeah. How are they going along? Oh, bueno. Bueno, mi maestro se llama Natalia. Natalia? Una lesbiana colian lesbian who lives in Malta. And she's really obsessed with Ariana Grande. She's obsessed with Ariana Grande. Yeah. And she's a Colombian lesbian. She's a Colombian lesbian living in Malta.
Starting point is 01:34:38 That's cute. She rolls. Did she? Sorry. How did it come up? Ariana, did you tell her that you knew someone who knew her well? Did you expose this? You know her well. It's me. Oftentimes it's like, what did you do this weekend? It's me!
Starting point is 01:34:50 Oftentimes it's like, what did you do this weekend? I'm like, fue a, Samarae Noche and Grievo. I went to Saturday Night Live and she's like, wait, Ariana Grande hosted, did you meet her? And I go, well, yeah. I was like, she's sort of a friend. Conozco Ariana. Si.
Starting point is 01:35:03 Wow. Somos amigas. Oh! In reality, that's Somos Amigas. Your Spanish sounds fast. It sounds great. Thank you. It's gotten better.
Starting point is 01:35:11 It was one of my things after the accident that I was like, I want to reclaim this thing and be like, next time I go back to Mexico, I'm like, oh, remember last time you came and now you speak better Spanish? You know, like one of those where I was like, I need to come back and not feel like I'm coming back after the time that almost killed me. It's like, oh, I'm coming back. Cunt here at Spanish and to learn more about the accident, go to actually go to the top top top top.
Starting point is 01:35:31 Are you talking a lot about the accident in time? It's yeah, there's like it's sort of the last like 20 minutes. I love being thing. Bien, day, bien, day. See, and if you don't know what the accident is, you gotta go to the show. The accident is profound. It's formative. Well, I know the Culture Eastus girls, the Katie's, the publicist, the readers, they
Starting point is 01:35:52 support Erin and I in a deep and down way. And they'll be coming to the Greenwich House Theatre. I know this. Sam Pinkleton directing, Tony winning director. We don't need much more information. It's going to be incredible. It's going gonna be fantastic. We were joking that this appearance
Starting point is 01:36:08 on Los Coloreses is for Josh Press. And he goes, we should do it together, right? And I was like, yes, we did my novel one together too. So we always appeared together. Because I am sort of doing a bunch of podcasts right now for this, and this is the only one we're doing together. And we truly were like, that's true forever. I think if Aaron's like, truly like on an Oscar campaign,
Starting point is 01:36:27 to be the biggest actress in the world, we'll be like, well, but you'll do everything. That's what I'm being a mag on my Oscar Oscar campaign. But we've sworn to never be on this podcast alone. But what if your name is black in the gay village like Spacey? I think we will stick to each other. That's kind of nice. Well, that's actually for you all then. If one of us becomes spacey, it's like, well, are you going to book spacey to get the other sentence blackened in the gay village?
Starting point is 01:36:52 Blackened in the gay village. That's there is a gay village. You must have. And it's called Pines. I was going to say it's called P town and it's called P town. And it's called the gay village. Better. Better. It's called Chelsea. It's called pine. I was going to say it's called P-Town. And it's called P-Town. And it's called Chelsea. The gay village. Baracuda.
Starting point is 01:37:07 It's called Chelsea. It's called Chelsea Hell's Kitchen. It's called Chelsea Hell's Kitchen. So you're sort of cooked then for the rest of the summer. Yeah. Once this starts. It's been very fun as people are like, do you have any summer plans to go anywhere? I'm like, I'm actually traveling nowhere.
Starting point is 01:37:19 I'm spending all summer treading the boards in the West Village. There's a romance to being like, I'm doing my off Broadway show seven times a week and then I'm going via Corota for a martini every night. You know what I mean? I'm living in that romance. Julius or temperance wine bar we love. Yeah, I'm living in the romance of being like a summer spin off Broadway in the West Village,
Starting point is 01:37:36 great AC at the Greenwich House Theater. Don't worry, Aaron. Are you sensitive to that? You need AC. Yeah, I want Texan. So I think it's not gonna be Twinks versus Dolls. It's gonna be well air conditioned. And I, it's not gonna be Twinks versus Dolls. It's gonna be well air conditioned. And I want to say everyone should go to Twinks versus Dolls and I'd love to come.
Starting point is 01:37:50 I would love to go. If there's air conditioning and it's not in some sort of bombed out place. I want to get a shirt soon that says, I can't, I have tech. Oh yeah, you know that would be a good idea. Don't you think that'd be fun to make that my personality? I can't, I have tech.
Starting point is 01:38:01 I can't, I have tech. Also make that my personality. You should do the dry erase board around your neck cause you're on vocal rest. Uh huh. Love that. Nah, for some reason an image that flashed in my mind last night was like Sadie Sink like her whole summer just like, I guess I'm going home after the show. Like I'm not going out.
Starting point is 01:38:17 Yep. Because I had the itch to go out last night, but it's like, you know, you know who's not going out this summer? Sadie Sink. Sadie Sink. Put some respect. She's got a lot. And she's a doll. Can I just say she's a summer? Sadie Sink. Sadie Sink. And put some respect. She's got a lot. And she's a doll. Can I just say she's a doll?
Starting point is 01:38:27 Oh, she is a doll. Because I've gotten to know her through Kimmy in the show. Oh really? She's lovely. In that way where sometimes when a person is that famous, you're like, we felt this about Megan Thee Stallion. We're like, she could roll up and be a B-I-T-C-H down and I'd be like, worth it because of your talent,
Starting point is 01:38:40 because of your everything. And Megan Thee Stallion, the kindest person we've ever worked with, so lovely. Sadie Sink, nice as all damn hell. So fucking lovely. I believe that 100%. Looks you in the eyes, asking you questions, remembers things about you.
Starting point is 01:38:50 You know what I mean? Wonderful. And great in the show. And great in the show. Really good. And they all are. Every girl is great in this show. Everyone's telling you.
Starting point is 01:38:58 True ensemble piece. And Elsa speaks to Sadie to me that I'm like, it's very cool that in this moment of like, her big stardom. That you're like, I want to do an ensemble piece that involves a lot of other people, you know, and it's about what it's about. I mean, that's what I left thinking, being like, oh, she really like, you know, swung the big stick she's got in the industry and, you know, like in this way
Starting point is 01:39:19 of highlighting this play, which is, I think, going to be made much more popular if she than if she hadn't. I agree. And actually, I have a real request for Katie's and readers because Kimmy, who again is like, we're all Georgia girl and me, we're all North Carolina boy. And it happens that her Broadway show is running this summer when my show is. We always joke that we're like, my dream is someone does a two show day and goes to see John. Imagine the freak who does a two show day of our two shows. And one of your people will do that. And if you do, DM us because we want to celebrate you.
Starting point is 01:39:50 Is John Proctor open ended? Do we know? It's running through end of August right now. Just got to say Sadie's leaving and they have this new girl whose name I'm forgetting, but she's fabulous. And it's through end of August right now. Love. And my show is through end of August.
Starting point is 01:40:01 Sadie's leaving to do a Marvel. She's leaving to do a Marvel. She's leaving to do a Marvel. She's leaving to do a Marvel. Well, it's do a Marvel. She's leaving to do a Marvel. She's leaving to do a Marvel. Love that. Well, it's like you give them one. One for you, one for them.
Starting point is 01:40:09 One for them. One for you, one for them. One John Proctor is the villain, one Marvel. And John Proctor is the one for them. Please, I need a publicist. Yeah. I need a publicist to do both shows in one day. Now, do we settle who the big six were in Disney?
Starting point is 01:40:20 Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Daisy, Goofy, Pluto. Pluto. And do Goofy, Pluto. And do Goofy and Pluto have the same publicist? No. Pluto is Goofy's dog. God, you always forget. And do we think because Goofy is a dog, slave? Slave.
Starting point is 01:40:35 I mean, then you have to- As far as any pet is, is that what you mean? Well, they're the same species, but one is- Ah, yes. One is owner, one is one is one is owner one is or couple man's best friend by Sabrina Carpenter or a couple gay couple or gay couple up play up play goofy doesn't have a love interest quote unquote no he doesn't there's no goofina there's no goofy huh there's, it's actually really culture number 30. There's no Goofina. There isn't a Goofina.
Starting point is 01:41:08 There is no Goofina. There is no Goofina. Bring us Goofina. And doesn't even in Goofy movie, doesn't he have a kid but no wife? Yeah, and there's no Goofa. There's no Goofa. There's no Goofina.
Starting point is 01:41:19 Who is Goofy, who's related to Goofina? Is she dead? Did his wife die? Sorry, there's Goofy, there's Goofyna, Goofa. Goofa. This is his ex-girlfriend. That's his, oh, and she's all slutty. No, Goofa's their non-binary friend.
Starting point is 01:41:33 Oh, I see. Yeah, Goofa. And they're all slutty. They're Goofy's ex and they're non-binary. They're all slut. They're a fucking whore, gape, slut. Oh, not gape. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:41:42 They're a fucking gape, whore, slut. Can we stop it with gape horse slug. Gorsh. Gorsh. I'm telling you. You want to stop the gapes. Stop the gapes. Wow. Stop the steals.
Starting point is 01:41:52 Stop the gapes. Mind the gapes. Mind the gaps. Mind the gapes. Uh huh. Uh huh. Sure, sure, sure. Frozen gapes.
Starting point is 01:42:00 What's your problem with gapes? Sometimes too big. Yeah, looking in the mirror. Looking in the mirror. Did you see that character on gay Twitter that was going around with the big asshole? No. The character?
Starting point is 01:42:11 Who is that? When I say character, I mean real human man who was like. No, and can I say to the earlier question, this is what you've taught me. This is what you've brought to me. You've taught me this. This is what you've taught me. This is what you've taught me.
Starting point is 01:42:22 And you have been changed. You have been changed because I knew you. I've been changed for good. The way she goes, for good. I was just like, you just can't. You say I've never been to New York. Never been to New York? There's a rumor she wants to come back to the Boards.
Starting point is 01:42:43 Rosie? The Irish Boards? Is that where she is? Maybe the West End. New York. There's a rumor she wants to come back to the boards. Rosie. Broadway? Yeah. The Irish boards. Yeah, is that where she is? Maybe the West End. The North End. I don't think she's coming back to America. I really don't.
Starting point is 01:42:53 If she did, what do you want to see her in? Well, she did for Redwood. Well, anything. Redwood. To be clear, I'd love this country to be safe enough for Rosie O'Donnell to be in it.
Starting point is 01:43:02 Oh, God. All that aside, what do you want to see Rosie in? Gypsy, there I said it. Gypsy. I want to see Gypsy Rosalie. But do you want to see her in Odd? Not for nothing, but that was really good. Someone tell me, what is in my turn?
Starting point is 01:43:22 Turn. Don't I get a dream for myself? I could kill the role. You could kill the role. Do you know what actually is the role I was born to play? What? Norma Desmond, Nicole Scherzinger version. I actually would. You could tell a whole story with your eyes. Yeah, you'd be good in that.
Starting point is 01:43:41 I if I ever get to do the camera, the little eye moment when they pull in on their eyes Do it to one of these? Yeah, the eyebrow lift. So that's really good If I ever get um, what's it Broadway backwards or whatever whatever yes, I will do that miss cast miss cat Yeah, yeah. Yeah probably back thing in Broadway Bears. Oh, you should do it at Broadway Bears in the nude Me and like all clothes like a huge Oh, you should do it at Broadway Bears in the nude. Me and like all close, like a huge, really heavy garment.
Starting point is 01:44:07 Yeah. I was one look at Broadway Bears while everyone fucking starts crying. But you say with one gate. They're not even they're not angry. They're crying because they're so well. They're like, we paid so much money. So much Nick Adams. And like we have fucking Matt Rappert singing with one look. My college, my college friend, Nick Adams. Really? I didn't know that. and like we have fucking Matt Repetitioning with one look. I hate it.
Starting point is 01:44:25 My college friend, Nick Adams. Really? I didn't know that. Angel. You ever rub dicks? No, no, no, no. All right, well, that's a boring story. And I wouldn't kiss and tell, even if we had. Oh yes you would.
Starting point is 01:44:36 Oh yeah, I never kiss and tell. Roll tape. Roll tape. It's a tape of him kissing and telling. And then me being like, I'm kissing this person. I'm kissing this one. Hey! I got something to tell you.
Starting point is 01:44:49 What's a time you really regretted hurting someone? When I didn't cast you in Dix the Musical. Oh! Yeah, definitely that. When I didn't cast you as neighbor number two, as Mr. Neighbor. As Miss Mix Neighbor. Could've been funny.
Starting point is 01:45:03 I don't know when I really regretted hurting someone. They're really thinking about it. Oh, I threw sand in little girl's eyes when we were little. mixed neighbor. Could have been funny. I don't know what I really regretted hurting her. I threw sand in little girls eyes when we were little. Evil bitch. It was nasty. What did she do to deserve that? She was being some sort of way.
Starting point is 01:45:14 And then she blamed the boy I was standing next to and he went to the principal's office. Was it the Christian or the Christian? You weren't even at the beach. You just had sand. It was the same way it was at school. I can see the whole emotional
Starting point is 01:45:24 landscape of this. You, she probably was picking on you because she liked you. You took sand in your hand, threw it in her face. She goes, it was the other boy still wanting to defend you. Still, because she wanted, she's just, she was blinded. She was infatuated. Literally blinded.
Starting point is 01:45:40 Yeah, well, I wasn't even talking about it like that. But yes, that part too. Little girl, I wish I had not thrown sand into your eyes. You don't remember her name? Not at all. I don't even think we were in the same class. Oh, where do you guys stand on saying people from high school's first and last name just because you know them? Depends. What do you mean?
Starting point is 01:45:58 Like on air or just in your life? Sort of in life. In life you have to. All of a sudden they're living their life and like they're, you know, going about their day and someone goes, oh my God, you were mentioned front and behind name. Front and behind name. Was it you, me and Patrick Rogers were out together one time and somebody was like, oh, my good friend from Honors English, this girl I used to know in Honors English texted me.
Starting point is 01:46:24 And then we were all like, I'm going to text my good friend from Honors English because this girl I used to know in Honors English, texted me and then we were all like, I'm gonna text my good friend from Honors English because the girls you met in Honors English. Like the girl that saved your life in Honors English. Everyone right now. The real ones. The real ones. We literally did this recently at a concert.
Starting point is 01:46:34 Are we doing this now? I don't have my phone. I made my exact girl. Becca! We'll do it as soon as it wraps. And you have to say, God, thanks for being there. No, no, no, here's what you have to do. Becca, bring in my phone.
Starting point is 01:46:43 We're all gonna text a girl from high school honors. Or no, I know, I'm just gonna shout this person out. No, no, no, and we're gonna see who gets a text back first. No. Who gets a text back first? Why, because you know you're not gonna win? I, it is very out of the blue. Like I have not reached out to this person in like 15 years. This is hence the bit.
Starting point is 01:47:00 Okay, here comes Becca with the phone. But I don't have my phone either. Thanks, Becca. Okay, great. So you don't have your phone either? No. Jesus, do you? Skipping professional down. Becca with the phone. But I don't have my phone either. Thanks, Becca. Okay, great. So you don't have your phone either? No. Jesus, do you? It's giving professional down.
Starting point is 01:47:09 It's giving professional down. Three-way, three-way raise. Okay. What are we saying to them? Text a girl from high school English, go. Okay. What is the text? We say whatever you think we'll give you.
Starting point is 01:47:20 And whatever, whatever. Really? I'm just going to say back in New York. Back in New York. Oh, shit. Just wanted you to know I'm doing well. I look all the time Random here. I'm saying random ass Back in New York. Hello, when can we do berries? What are you gonna say to yours? I'm saying happy
Starting point is 01:47:37 Happy belated birthday to rescinded the name of my descent her child Yeah, I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna get if it's ex back This is so huge. And mind you, I didn't say that you couldn't have talked to this person in a long time. I just said that had to be a girl from high school English. And let me just say, I know we could have also fetched my phone and I could have participated,
Starting point is 01:47:54 but then I wouldn't get to watch. I can't believe you guys are still texting. You could have just shut off something sweet. No, it's because it's been a long time and it is such a wild, like, what the fuck? Yeah, it gave us such joy at this concert to text that person. It is kind like, what the fuck? Like why is Bowen texting me? He gave us such joy at this concert to text that person. It is kind of crazy to get a text from you Bowen Yang.
Starting point is 01:48:10 I don't know where. No, but I'm just saying like, it's been like, I don't know. It's been a decade. It's been a decade. Last text I sent her, June 25th, 2013. Mine was- Oh my God. What?
Starting point is 01:48:20 Mine was on my birthday cause I got a birthday text from her. I don't keep up with high school friends. I don't. This one I would love to more, but I just don't. But these women saved our lives. Well, she's got her receipts on and I see she hasn't read it yet. I just want to shout out Kayla Sturbach. You really she she introduced me to Radiohead.
Starting point is 01:48:36 She was... Sam Marconi. You got to get back to me. King K. Lo introduced me to Radiohead. Melanie, my friend. I don't know if it was Radiohead, but she got me she got me into Bjork. Last name? Erica Badu. Melanie, my friend. I don't know if it was Radiohead, but she got me into Bjork. Last name? Erica Badu. Melanie Chase back then.
Starting point is 01:48:47 See, those, behind every gay guy with like good music taste is a straight girl in honors English who taught them all those things. Sam didn't teach me any cool singers. Sam didn't teach me any cool things. Sam was- But she was class president and I was the secretary. Oh wow, were you good at that?
Starting point is 01:49:04 I was okay at that. I feel like I did horrible at that. We both won an award at our high school for being the top P.E. students. I went to prom with King K. La. It was called the Suffolk Zone Award. Did any of you go to prom with these women? Yes, I went to prom with her.
Starting point is 01:49:15 I went to prom, but I went to like a like freshman or sophomore year like dance, the Valentine's Day. As a gay guy, you needed the girl from honors English who gave you cool music and would go with you to prom. So Pat Regan was the one who inspired this? No, Patrick Rogers. Patrick Rogers. But I can't remember why it came up.
Starting point is 01:49:31 I was maybe texting, I think I was talking about how Melanie got me into all my cool music. Maybe that was it. And we, oh yeah, we were having that conversation and we were having a weird girl night. We were like, we need all of you to text that girl. This is the thing about like-
Starting point is 01:49:42 And say, I love you, I cherish you. I love you, I cherish you. A lot of gay men who moved to New York City detects that girl. This is the thing about like- And say, I love you, I cherish you. I love you, I cherish you. A lot of gay men who moved to New York City did the morning announcements. I did. I did the morning announcements. No way.
Starting point is 01:49:52 I did, I did. I did the morning announcements. Three out of four of us. I did the morning announcements. Were either prom or homecoming royalty. I was. I was. Michael was, Michael was prom king.
Starting point is 01:50:01 Michael was prom king. So I was homecoming. You were homecoming king and read the announcements and I was prom king and read the announcements. Period. I think we've been over this. No, I mean, we have. But now I'm just... For the sake of everyone new at home, I'm kind of like, wow, that's cool. And you're acting it like it's the first time. Yeah. And you know, Bowen's Superlative was most likely to get on Saturday Night Live.
Starting point is 01:50:20 Was it really? Yeah. But that was like the funny way of like funny as a class clown. That was like, yeah, I was second place for three things. Mine was most likely to do a 21st first movie. You know, wow. A 21st. A 21st. I guess we'll have to see. I guess we'll see if that happens.
Starting point is 01:50:37 A 21st. Mine was most likely to be on Broadway. Fuck it. I haven't done. Most likely be on Broadway. Love. I was second place for best dressed most athletic and attached at the hip with my bestie I actually don't remember. I think it was class clown or something, but I don't remember sure and then Otters English class girl who taught you cool music. Oh, yeah, that's like the common One out of three ain't bad. I bet you have another one you're just remembering.
Starting point is 01:51:10 Lita Plays feels very gay guy going to New York. Oh, wait. Oh my God, did she get back? Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God, what'd she say? OMG, is this for real? Every time I, oh.
Starting point is 01:51:20 Wait, what did you say? Do you feel comfortable reading what you said? I said random ass hello, it's Bo, and if you're ever in New York, please reach out and say hey, hope all is well, Kayla. Heart emoji. And what did you say? Do you feel comfortable reading what you said? I said random ass hello, it's Bo. And if you're ever in New York, please reach out and say, hey, hope all is well, Kayla, heart emoji. And what does she say? OMG, is this for real? Every time I see you on screen, I get so excited.
Starting point is 01:51:31 You made it. I actually still have you saved in my phone. I'm so happy for you. I'll definitely reach out if I ever find myself out that way. Kayla, I love you. Kayla, stay back. Can I say? I can't believe Sam is flopping so hard.
Starting point is 01:51:43 So you made it to content. This sucks. I find some of this was after the accident, but some of it, I think, is just becoming the age we're becoming. I've been a lot more wistful because I do feel like especially being like, yeah, rural south and whatever. I moved on from that period of my life and then I just don't think of it much. I've become very wistful for some of that. And I've done a lot of this where I'll just like remember people in text and I'm doing a lot of that recently. It's good. I think it's very healthy to keep these connections and to tell these people like, you know, you did something for me.
Starting point is 01:52:12 Because I knew you. I have been changed for good. For good. I've been changed for good. I really have. For good. Because I knew you. I really am for good We really we Discussion at one point
Starting point is 01:52:44 Bellflower and Rosie I'm sure Rosie is a fan of yours and Rosie one time said a very nice comment about something I was, I did. Were you ever on the Rosettes? I bet she loves dicks. I was going to say there's a certain class of celebrity where I go, I wonder if they've seen dicks because I feel like they probably have. And Rosie is one of them. You think she has?
Starting point is 01:52:59 Don't you imagine? She loves musicals. I think she loves musicals because she loves all things gay. Yeah. She said a nice thing about I love that for you. I can see her liking that. Yeah. I loved that show. This is what you tell a 24 marketing.
Starting point is 01:53:13 Hey, a 24, a 24. Hey, Ariana Grande, huge fan of the musical. Yeah. Use that clip that clip that clip it could be good. She was she was. So put it so put out the Blu Ray a 24. Ariana wants to buy it. Youip it good. She was, she was loved. So put out the Blu-ray, A24. Ariana wants to buy it. You know what Ari loves?
Starting point is 01:53:28 I've told you guys this. Desperate for your car. She kept saying that in her coloratura. Desperate for your car. Well, that is an amazing lyric that you guys wrote. Gimme gimme that pussy. Nathan Lane sang it. Gimme gimme that pussy.
Starting point is 01:53:45 Arden and Cynthia were great on Drag Race. Did you watch it yet? I haven't seen, I haven't seen. It was fun. Oh, I haven't seen. And they, now they'd filmed it before the first one came out. Wouldn't that be true? But everything was very clearly promoting for good.
Starting point is 01:53:56 Which is very funny to me. I just say how time works. Wait, and the falseness of show business. Have we been over this in Bracket Two, which like a moment that I think speaks to all four of us, which is when Bracket Two first meets up in the work room, Lydia Butthole Collins goes to Mistress Isabel Brooks and goes, Mistress, it's so good to see you.
Starting point is 01:54:14 And then Mistress goes, and it's interesting to see you. And it's interesting to see you. I love Mistress. That whole Bracket practice was a fake bitch. Gagatron. It was so crazy. Interesting to see you. Interesting to see you.
Starting point is 01:54:32 I'm like, I want to use that. The girl's really gay. I got to tell you who also ate this up last episode up was the ginger munch. Should we in for the tour like Chapel Road have a local drag queen opening show? And so now let's pick from New York, Chicago, LA, and Orlando, who are the queens? New York, Bob, Bob the original New York queen.
Starting point is 01:54:51 Bob opening for us. Yes, Bob opening for us. Bob is local in LA now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Originally New York. Bob is opening for Madonna and for the tour. It's not what it's about. Bob opens New York.
Starting point is 01:55:02 Chicago, Shea Coulee. Shea Coulee in Chicago. Oh my God. Hey, I love that. We better pay up. And we will. I'll tell you what, I think they- We will.
Starting point is 01:55:10 Tickets are $3,000. We actually love to text people when we're having people do our improv shows. We always say, this is a paid opportunity. Cause it is. It is. It is actually. I enjoyed the chat.
Starting point is 01:55:21 It's a cute chat. I think we should say that to these drag queens. This is a paid opportunity. You're going to open for us, probably what large venue we do this. Don't worry, this is a paid opportunity. Oh, LA, I want Delta work. Delta work.
Starting point is 01:55:36 She could open for us. Orlando, Roxy Andrews, of course. Oh yeah. And Ginger Minj, double header. I never forget when me and Henry Kapurski ran into Roxy Andrews at Islands of Adventure. Oh yeah. The original. And Ginger Minj, double header. Double header. Double header. I mean, I never forget when me and Henry Kapurski ran into Roxy Anderson Islands of Adventure. That's really special.
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Starting point is 01:59:59 wherever you get your podcasts. Well, I think it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. I think it is time for I Don't Think So Honey. This is our 60 second segment where we take some time, make a 60 seconds. Like I just said, if you listened, and I can tell a lot of you aren't, a lot of you tuned us out a long time ago. Well, listen now, this part next part's gonna be good.
Starting point is 02:00:23 Listen now, this is the part you came for. We ran into something in culture we don't love. I'm ready to go. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey people having a problem because there are people out there that have a problem with Sabrina Carpenter's album cover being her getting walked around like a dog. Let me tell you something. This is it's you're never never gonna look back on rousing one of these pop girlies about the like subversive thing they're doing and feel good about it later.
Starting point is 02:00:49 You gotta let the girls be the girls. If you were one of Madonna's early critics, you're likely embarrassed now. If you're one of Gaga's early critics, you're likely embarrassed now at all. Sabrina counts as this. If she wants to get walked around like a dog and put it on the album cover,
Starting point is 02:01:01 that was her empowered decision. I am sure of it. And lots of people like to get walked around like dogs. All right. I actually have been confronted with this myself sexually. It wasn't for me to walk the person around like a dog. But I celebrate that person. I know they're going to find an amazing partner.
Starting point is 02:01:16 Just like I know Sabrina is going to find an amazing. I don't think she's looking for that when she put this album title together. I think she was looking for very, very much this discussion. Yeah. And guess what? She won. You know who loses? All you losers who are criticizing her. You man. Why don't you S.T.F. you? And that's one thing so really good. She's kind of a Pluto to Google.
Starting point is 02:01:41 I think she should be able to be walked on. A leash off a leash, that guy who wraps himself in the carpet. I think Sabrina and Pluto able to be walked on a leash off a leash. That guy who wraps himself in the carpet. I think Sabrina and Pluto have the same publicist. Yes. Sabrina and Pluto. Yes. That would be smart because they're because they're both negotiating different things. Blondes. Blondes who walk around like dogs.
Starting point is 02:01:58 Yeah. Hmm. Can you believe, though, that people are literally literally like, I guess this is one of the things that they have to talk about now. I wasn't aware about this conversation, honestly. Yeah, it's just like the album cover is her and it's like, it's called Man's Best Friend, the album, and she's on all fours and like someone's got a bunch of her hair in their hand. Cool.
Starting point is 02:02:14 And it's like, and people are like, well, what about the messages sends to young girls? I'm like, are you actually saying that sentence? Man is a non-gendered term. I think boy is non-gendered, man is non-gendered, sis, girl, these are all non-gendered terms. Who knows who's best friend? She is. I just mean like friend is un-gendered. Friend is un-gendered.
Starting point is 02:02:32 Best is gendered. Gendered. Best is, best is. Oh, best. Best is she her. She her. Eve best, she her. I don't mean to be this person,
Starting point is 02:02:41 but I feel like this discourse coming out while World War Three is starting. Right. Also, so kind of it's like, what's what are we doing? Well, I mean, like, I do think it's gotten to the point now where in the like effort to talk about anything else other than whatever horrors and by the way, we are recording this a couple of weeks before this comes out. So we may have experienced more horrors. Nice to meet you. But like it it's kind of just like the desperation is is jumping out in terms of finding
Starting point is 02:03:12 other things to talk about. And this is just so stupid because we've had the conversation a million fucking times. Like she is outside of this thing of like, what's she going to mean to young girls? She is like an artist who is empowered to do. Yeah. And also, like she said in Rolling Stone, like it's not her that's making the songs popular.
Starting point is 02:03:29 It's her that's making the songs quality. You are making them popular by consuming them. And so if you have a problem with it, stop consuming it. You just refuse to do that because you always be streaming. Streaming Sabrina. You can't help it. Did you watch the idol? The Weeknd's the idol? I did not. No. The little girl star
Starting point is 02:03:49 Lily Rose, Lily Rose, Lily Rose, her. She released an album cover. This is fictional. But a pic leaked of her with cum on her face. And then Troye Sivan is like, let's make that the album cover, babes. So right in a fictional world,
Starting point is 02:04:04 a girl had cum all over her face. And you still find me being like, never forget, people did this to me and my album when the cover was my gape. Yeah. And look at them now. You're that character from Twitter. I'm that character from Twitter.
Starting point is 02:04:17 And they said, what about what this is saying to young girls? I said, who? Yeah, I don't care. Excuse. This isn't for young girls. Speaking of come, this is this part. this kind of segues nicely into my own. Perfect. So this is Bo and Yang's, I Don't Think So Honey.
Starting point is 02:04:33 His time starts now. I don't think so honey when cum mixes with water. Then it becomes little rubber bullets. Now you work with ice. Oh, okay honey, I see. You gotta pick a consistency and stick with it. I don't like that it becomes hard and little rubbery. It congeals into these little balls.
Starting point is 02:04:50 You will never be Flubber. You will never post-star with Robin Williams, may he rest in peace. And get a, pick a color besides white. White, for a first thought. You could have been green. You could have been flubber. But you will never be. Cum when it mixes with water, I don't like it.
Starting point is 02:05:13 Speaking of spacey, when I jerk off in the shower, I don't want to do that anymore because the cum gets all weird. 15 seconds. American Beauty. It's an American Beauty reference. And God, what else? What's the big pop culture moment that Cum has had?
Starting point is 02:05:27 Something about Mary? Yeah, Monica Lewinsky, five seconds. White House interns dress, you gotta pick. Jeffrey Tubman. That was all the nineties. You haven't had a big moment since the nineties. And that's one minute. Cum, you will never be Flubber.
Starting point is 02:05:39 Cum, you will never be Flubber. You're stuck in the nineties, not like Flubber. The thing that gets lost about Flubber is that Flubber was actually just trying to be helpful. Like, that's the thing. And he didn't like it's like you created an incredible assistant. I mean, they wanted to lift the mood. They wanted to create a better work environment. They wanted to get things done quickly.
Starting point is 02:05:58 That was the idea of the invention was lift the mood, like was to lift the mood. I've seen the film. I can't quite recall. I think the plot of the film was he was to lift the mood. I can't remember. I've seen the film. I can't quite recall. I think the plot of the film was he created Flubber and Flubber was just trying to party babe. Mind of its own. Flubber was just trying to party and also like I don't know like be around. That's actually what's fucked up about cum that cum is so like oh shoot me it's fun
Starting point is 02:06:19 it feels good. Ha ha ha. It's also like use me to make your family. Right. Which is it? But also I'll ruin your sheets. Yeah, and also I'll ruin your sheets. And get caught in the arm hair with the water. Get caught in the arm hair with the water.
Starting point is 02:06:31 Despicable. You've been fucking in a tub lately or in a pool. You've been fucking in a tub. I don't know where this comes from. You've been fucking in a tub lately. Or the shower. You've been fucking in a tub? No.
Starting point is 02:06:39 Where does this come from? Tell us where the cum comes from. It actually hasn't happened in a while, but it's one of those things. Oh yeah, it's terrible. It's the first time it happened. Yes. You encountered this, you were like, what the fuck? Well, it should wash off happened in a while, but it's one of those things. Oh yeah, it's terrible. Was it the first time it happened? Yes. You encountered this, you were like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 02:06:47 Well, it should wash off. You're like, okay, now I see it. Yes, no. It still won't go. I jacked off in a hot tub years ago and saw this with my own two eyes, and I was like, well, if that's what happens, that's the last time for that. You think you're sick. You think something's wrong with you.
Starting point is 02:07:00 If that's what happens, that's the last time for that. Yeah, I said that's it. And Reader, it wasn't. No, I think it was. I don't make really a habit of doing it in the shower. You were fucking by the river. Yeah. Yeah. But we can't ever tell what happened to that because it never came out of the sky.
Starting point is 02:07:15 Right. Yours is long gone. Oh, it was right into the sky. It did not come down. I actually didn't know that he knows he's Big Bro. He knows. I'm sure someone has listened to, you know, they've got detectives out there. Are you thinking about the F**k Matt Rogers in 2021?
Starting point is 02:07:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a year. Down by the river. What a year. Great year. Down by the river. You might just be Big Bro. God, I'll text him after this.
Starting point is 02:07:37 What was I, I was gonna say something interesting. Everybody text Big Bro right now. Everybody text Big Bro and see who responds to you first. Text your king top. But I will say, here's the only bodily thing that is allowed to ruin my sheets. Oh God. Poop and shit.
Starting point is 02:07:52 And even that doesn't ruin it. You can get that out. Bleach that out. No, no, no. You just toss it. You need OxyClean. Yeah, you need Oxy. But you say, when that happens,
Starting point is 02:08:00 you say, God bless, I don't mind. I say. And this happens to you every morning, you're saying. And it's not happening to other people. And it's permissible poop. Poop. Do you guys think that we can see poop? We can see poop. We can see poop. Do you guys think out of bone and ice friendship that he's the top and I'm the bottom out of your friend, like it was friendship, top friendship, bottom.
Starting point is 02:08:23 Who's the top and who's the bottom guy? My gut. Hmm. My gut, you're the top and who's the bottom? God, my gut. Hmm. My gut. You're the top. But I don't know if that's right. I'm just going with my gut. I think Matt's the top. Yeah. I'm going to go top bottom. I'm I'm I'm a I'm a chic, chill bottom. A chic, chill bottom.
Starting point is 02:08:38 What's the lyric? Why are you coming around here with an ad? Who's the top? Who's the bottom in our friendship? Do you think? Two tops. Two tops. Two tops. Two tops. Two tops. You're two tops, we're two bottoms. No brain, no skills.
Starting point is 02:08:49 Never the twain shall meet. Never the twain. Never the twain shall meet. Never the twain. Never the twain shall twink. So what do you think? You got one? I have one.
Starting point is 02:08:58 I gotta get one. I have one, yes, I'm ready. All right, well this is Josh Sharps, I Don't Think So Honey, his time starts now. I don't think so people who, I don't think so honey. No. People, let's take it from the top. No.
Starting point is 02:09:08 That's right. No. That was insulting. No. Let's take it from the top. Keep all that in because that was insulting that you did this. Let's take it from the top.
Starting point is 02:09:16 You've been on this show for nine years. It's nice to see a pro fuck up so bad. That's inspiring. Let's take it from the top. Inspiring. All right. Hope this doesn't happen during the off-play play. I have a very good one. Okay, okay, okay.
Starting point is 02:09:30 This is Josh Sharps, I don't think so honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People who don't like the things I like. Yes. I like things. Yes. And when the things that I like happen, I like that.
Starting point is 02:09:42 The feeling I feel is light. Yeah. So if someone does something I like, maybe I join in because I like that thing too. And even if the circumstances don't allow me to join in, I like that they're doing the thing I like. Don't do it. When people do something I don't like, I feel disliked. Got it. I am frustrated. I am annoyed.
Starting point is 02:10:03 I don't like that. Why are you doing this thing I don't like? You could just do the things that I like. Do better. So I implore you when you are around me and honestly, even when you aren't, because behind closed doors, you're your most true self. Do things I like.
Starting point is 02:10:20 Listen up, honey. Don't do things I dislike. 10 seconds. I wish to feel like I do not want to be clouded by dislike in my day to day life. All of you need to do things that I like when you are around me and even if not, I like what I like and you should too. And that's one minute. Wow.
Starting point is 02:10:38 That was powerful. That was so good. That was poetry. Poetry. I think that was poetry. That's going to haveetry. That was poetry. That's going to have a lot of people thinking, what are what are examples of things that you like? Things that I like are like things that I like.
Starting point is 02:10:55 Yeah. And the things I don't like. Oh, girl. I'd better not be doing those. Don't do them, because those are the things I don't like. And you won't like that. And I will not like that. You know, I like when you do things I like. Yeah. You know what's good about all of us? We all know the things that each other likes that we just don't and we don't push it.
Starting point is 02:11:12 Of course not. Like I told you when you guys were vibing out to Bjork at all, I just I sat and enjoyed. Exactly. Our joy. Yeah. And I started to feel a little sick at that moment. Because of the drugs, not because of our joy joy No, that was because of other things. Oh Remember? Oh that was when I got whole fever. She already yeah, that was whole fever. That was a great. That was great
Starting point is 02:11:34 That was a whole other era whole whole other year gate. All right, Aaron Do you have an I don't think so honey. I have one it came to me. All right, this is Aaron Jackson's I don't think so God girl, don't forget good. God girl. I'm ready. This is Aaron Jackson's. I don't think so any time starts now I don't think so, honey Why has no one started a business? That's like a ride share like it's like a limo that you ride in with your friends except it's in a hearse and it's Like it's like a limo that you ride in with your friends except it's in a hearse and it's There'd be a coffin in there, yeah, and it could pop up and scare you and there's dry ice
Starting point is 02:12:25 Which it well he could be the dead outlaw and 30 seconds. And the driver could be kind of Dracula. Would you like to roll the window? And there's dry ice in your drink, spooky cocktails. And there's all sorts of spider webs everywhere. And I just think that this is a business opportunity that could go year round, but certainly around Halloween or the fall. It could take you to a haunted house. It's pretty all year round. All year round, but certainly around Halloween or the fall. It could take you to a haunted house. It's pretty all year round. All year round. Five seconds.
Starting point is 02:12:48 And I just think it's a really strong idea and I need somebody to do it. I don't think so. I love that. Honey, say honey. Say honey. Honey. I'm sure this exists. You think you're sure? I think it's like you're looking for essentially like a mobile haunted experience. A haunted car.
Starting point is 02:13:03 I want a haunted limo, but in a hearse. I think it's bigger than that. It's haunted sometimes. And sometimes it's Lauren from... Lauren Ambrose. If you take away some of your specifics, I think you'd be really excited to find out that this is a thing. I don't want to take away my specifics.
Starting point is 02:13:21 My specifics are what make us us and make us unique. Yes. Especially during Pride Month. I shouldn't have said that. Especially during Pride Month. Right now during Pride Month when the powers that be are trying to take away all of our specifics. So you think it could be a long hearse?
Starting point is 02:13:36 Oh, absolutely. A long hearse. I love this idea. Cog tails and cobwebs. Now I was saying in the middle of that escape car as an escape room, but car. Yeah. Oh. And that's just not just jumping out of a car. That's just jumping out of a car. But I think there should be an escape room that is themed to
Starting point is 02:13:50 you're kidnapped in the trunk. There are so many possibilities for this business. But that's different than what I want. I know it's very different. But it's a potential revenue stream. Sure, it's just the idea is so good. I'm not a businessman. I'm an artist.
Starting point is 02:14:03 So I don't have the capabilities to make this. If this bought you a dog walker, you would. And a beautiful place to board the animal when I travel to Paris or other places. And you want a dog walker slave like Pluto? That's what you were saying? No, I'm saying Pluto is a slave to Goofy because they're the same species.
Starting point is 02:14:20 And you want a dog walker slave because they'd be the same species as you. And yet they have to walk your dogs. No, because they get paid. Okay, I'm't learn is getting paid. We don't know if it's enough Yeah, do you think the which person I wanted to get rid it makes that I hope the person watch walking Sabrina got paid I think so. I think probably that was like Walker should be paid. Yeah also Dogs dogs are very, dogs are very empowered. Dogs are very empowered creatures.
Starting point is 02:14:47 They like to obey. They like to sub is Dom. Sub is Dom. Maggie, the dog that we met today, darling dog. Can we just send Maggie in for that for the last part of the episode? Can we can we just come in on camera? So that would be really nice, I think. And I think that Maggie to sign a release. This won't make the dog nervous at all And put it on a release
Starting point is 02:15:11 While they're getting Maggie in here does anyone have anything final they want to say yes Hi! Come say hi to us! Oh my god, so sweet! This is a beautiful beast. She's so sweet! Any of the cameras getting this? She's presenting! Come Maggie! Maggie come over here! Come on little one!
Starting point is 02:15:36 Oh you're so adorable! Oh yes, stretch out when you lay down! And that's where Downward Dog comes from, just so you all know. We woke her up! Oh shit! When you lay down. And that's where Downward Dog comes from, just so you all know. We woke her up. Oh, they all sleep 17 hours a day. And they love to be woken up when they see their friends. Maggie just turned five.
Starting point is 02:15:52 She's 35. 35. That's your age, right? Same Z's girl. So you want AC at Twinks vs. Dolls too, don't you? You know, I wonder how Maggie would respond for us singing one of our songs from For The Tour. To end the episode. Yeah. Yeah. Maggie. Should we do mezzo piano for once?
Starting point is 02:16:09 Yeah, mezzo piano. Maggie, this one is going to go out to you, girl. And basically we want you to know you're perfect just the way you are. Which doesn't necessarily have to be a good transition into the song. Understood. I was like, a Billy Joel song. Usually it's like, just the way you are. And you're a bit...
Starting point is 02:16:24 Yeah, Bruno Mars. Yeah. But what is it? I was going to do Billy Joel. I love you. Here we go. If it's before the tour. Yeah, it's before the tour. Yeah. Bang, bang. Bang, bang. Shot me down.
Starting point is 02:16:31 Bang, bang. I hit the ground. Bang, bang. That awful sound. Bang, bang. My baby. My baby. Shot me down.
Starting point is 02:16:39 Bang, bang. I hit the ground. Bang, bang. That awful sound. Bang, bang. My baby. Shot me down. Bang, bang. I hit the ground. Bang, bang. That awful sound. Bang, bang, my baby shot me down.
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