Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "W.A.I.: Warmth, Acceptance & Inclusion" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

In the spirit of WAI (warmth, acceptance and inclusion), Matt & Bowen resume their podcast hosting duties and begin the ninth (!) season of Las Cultch. The girls had time to watch some flicks! It's an Oscar film extravaganza in which our hosts review and discuss Maestro, Saltburn, All Of Us Strangers, Anatomy Of A Fall, Poor Things, American Fiction, The Holdovers, Are You There God It's Me Margaret, Past Lives and The Color Purple. And finally! We get to chat about the season four finale of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Receipts! Proof! Timeline! Screenshots! Podcast Commentary! All this, Gypsy Rose Blanchard's media/world takeover, recent White Lotus casting news, the impending drop of "Yes, And?" by Miss Grande, Drag Race's season 16 premiere, whatever it means to be on the "Epstein List" and how Dua Lipa deserves the right to her vacations. OKAY, now go read a book, readers! If that's your real name... This bonus episode is available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I thought this was going to be a whole thing where I would have been like the Larry David in the Curb episode where Lennon Parham wishes him Happy New Year in the gym, but it's like January 18th and he goes, yeah, it's too late to say that. It's a little late. I don't think it's too late. Listen, we know we've been

separated from our girls and we just want to tell you all, we want to warmly welcome you into 2024 because that is the energy we're bringing into 2024. Warmth, acceptance and inclusion. Yes. W-A-I. Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion.

It's actually rule of culture number eight. The rules for 2024 is W-A-I. Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion. Mama, you couldn't have said it better. You cannot have said it better. I want you to get into, this is the list of topics that we could discuss today. Well, I'm not squinting for you, my girl, because are you saying, are you listing each movie individually for award season?

I feel like here's the thing with movies, they all have their own story to tell. And so I feel that you can't just lump them all under Oscar films because... By the way, how many have you seen of these quote-unquote Oscar films and have you been enjoying them? I've been really enjoying them for the most part. The things that I haven't seen are Zone of Interest and Killers of the Flower Moon. Let's just get that out of the way.

You didn't see Color Purple yet either. Did you see Color Purple? And Color Purple and some other things. I want to see Rustin. But yeah, those are the main ones that I haven't seen. But I either. Did you see Color Purple? And Color Purple and some other things. I want to see Rustin. But yeah, those are the main ones that I haven't seen. But I'm in great shape for this time. In most other years, I am really behind. But I think I'm kind of on top of it.

I'm doing amazing now too. Like actually, it's funny because the two that I haven't seen are Killers of the Flower Moon and Zone of Interest. I think the reason why I haven't seen them is because I don't think my heart can take either one of them. I feel like I want to sit down and actually receive them but just the subject matter of both

I'm just like, okay, that's going to be a lot of a lot. I think what's interesting about this year is it seems like there's a diversity of genre in the types of movies that are being discussed now at the end of the year, which I'm really appreciating. WAI. You know what?

Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion is all over the Oscar race this year. Absolutely. Just to list off some things that I've seen, I've seen Salt Burn, Poor Things, All of Us Strangers, American Fiction, The Color Purple, Maestro, I watched The Holdovers, I watched Are You There God?

It's Me, Margaret. There's a lot to discuss. My other asterisk is have not finished Maestro. Should we start there? Sure. Although, let's start with my least knowledgeable base. Yes, absolutely. Let's go.

Tell me about Maestro. Okay, you're not teasing me when you say that. You actually want me to, you want my review? Oh, no, no, no. Yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. My tone is a little all over the place today. No, you're not teasing me when you say that. You actually want my review? Oh, no, no, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. My tone is a little all over the place today. No, please, let's start.

Well, I just want to tell you, I don't think you need to resume this film. Oh. I did not like Maestro at all. I would describe it as... So Maestro tells the story of Leonard Bernstein and Felicia Monteleagro, who is

his wife. And if you don't know leonard bernstein he's obviously one of the most iconic musicians of the modern era century yeah 20th century i mean he you know it's just his list of accomplishments are very long west side story and this tells the story of his marriage to miss felicia yeah And it's written, directed, and starring Bradley Cooper. Should it have been called Hi, Felicia? I think it should have been called Bye, Felicia in terms of what happens at the end of the movie. So basically, it tells the story of their marriage,

which was basically like TheBeard.com. Really, the movie should have been called TheBeard.com. Because it's like, like you know she willfully participates in this marriage i think because she loves him for sure they just seem to have great banter and then all of a sudden like the film flashes forward in time and she's like aware of the fact that he's full-on gay like fucks gideon glick and all of a sudden like it really one thing i'll give it is it wasn't too long because we finally get to the end and she passes away of cancer. And it's very, very, very devastating.

But I would say this movie felt like a collection of the wrong scenes from their life. Interesting. Like you get to the end. film is supposed to be a love letter to her like from bradley cooper's perspective then we don't really get a sense of who she is or what she's given up to be with this man or you know the sacrifices that she is making or why she is making them because you see them meet and then you see them in like really establishing their relationship and then it kind of she kind of just dies that's interesting by the way we should say if we're talking about these films you can just consider spoiler alert

but if you know this if you know Leonard Bernstein you know his life yeah consider that a spoiler it's good that we're starting with a biopic speaking of which it's funny that you say all these things the people who've made this movie seem to put a really fine point on this not being a

biopic and this being a love story, that this is a love story. And so the fact that you're not quite, you're not sure where the depth is for Felicia as a film character or as a subject in this biopic, let's say, or I'm sorry, love story kind of diminishes that idea. Well, I think especially as someone who has just written and directed a huge love story, a polar, a critically polarizing, but like massively successful love story with the stars born.

I think that something that's like, if you're to compare the two, something that's really there in a star is born i think that something that's like if you're to compare the two something that's really there in a star is born and maybe it's because he was working with a template that's like very tried and true which is already a story that's kind of mapped out for him is that you really get a sense of who they both are before the relationship takes them in a certain direction that's like a codependent one and ultimately a toxic one and ultimately a tragic one. And that is very similar here. But the thing that's missing from Maestro is you don't really get a sense of who she is.

You don't really get a sense of like, you know that she's an actress, you know that she's like, maybe talented, you sort of get a sense that she's talented but you don't really understand that being with him is a major sacrifice or it's a worthy sacrifice for her entire life because she kind of just ends up a sad regretful person and in that way it's like it's sure it's a love story but like what for to what end and i guess that's my note for this whole thing like to what end do we have this movie like is it is it a ego project because it feels like that to say nothing of their performances which i think are good and i would say even carrie's great but i just don't know what what we're what we have this for. Uh-huh.

I'm, again, I have to finish this movie, so I don't really have a great place to talk about this from. But I, if we're going to compare A Star Is Born to this, I find it really a bit of a miss that the meeting of Felicia and Leonard is sort of feels a little like cursory or something. It feels like it's just

checking off some biopic box, but then if you're going to make that the central thing in the whole movie, it feels kind of glossed over. When they first meet, it's pure. If you just look at the writing of that scene when they first meet,'s pure if you just look at the writing of that scene when they first meet it's like it's pure exposition everything out of both of their amounts is so you did this and this and this and this well yes and you were this and this and this

and this and they're but they're like playfully laughing while drinking and then they go do this cute little thing it doesn't have that magic of a star is born where those first 18 20 minutes are sublime are so good no matter what. Like, no matter what you think of the rest of the film, that is a great film because of that introductory thing into their meeting, or the first moments of their love. I just wonder what this movie would be like if it actually started at the point where it burst into color and we actually could marinate a little bit more in the reality of what their life was which is she was married to a gay man who did eat up all the air in the room and that's a story we've heard kind of a lot like

the subservient like long-suffering wife so like what is the new twist on that because we never see her receive the information that her husband is gay from him we imagine that it's happened because she's aware of it like she doesn't freak out when she sees him making out with you know men like what she does like there's no discovery and then i just wonder why, like if we went to the trouble to create this movie, like where is the conflict? Where is the dramatic tension? It's like all happening off screen in a way that feels almost experimental and failed in an experimental sense. Do you know what I mean? Like, cause at the end she passes away and it is sad, but you're more like lacking at the end, she passes away and it is sad, but you're more lacking at the end because you feel like you didn't actually hear her story.

You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And so it's that thing where the new spin would have been like, make it about her. Don't make it about Leonard Bernstein. Right. Because he did eat up all the air in the room in that marriage. Shift the focus

and put it on her, then that becomes an actual compelling love story. Right, and I feel like she gets top billing in this movie, Carey Mulligan does, in like, I think a condescending way, because it's all about him, basically. And then she sort of takes over the movie for

like 35 minutes towards the end when she's dealing with her cancer diagnosis and understanding the that like you know her life is what it is and then i think the movie hints at this narrative which really could have been expanded on more that like she had been there for him his entire life to make him maybe more palatable or maybe more his life easier in the public eye, which the movie tells you over and over again, he's really struggling with like the public eye, et cetera. But it doesn't feel like that theme is really explored that now he's going to be there for her and her hour of need. Like it's there, but it's not dramatically expanded on in a way. And when you combine all of this with

like the nose of it all and the budget of it all and the bradley cooper of it all it kind of just feels a little bit like you can see behind his eyes him knowing the whole time that he's winning an oscar for this in a way that in the sea of everything else i'm watching right now like i, I don't respond to that much. It just feels like all your departments can be a 10. But if your script is a four, and you have lines like, oh, what a pair, you know, those two things don't go together. And the bizarre, stupid, heavy handed text at the beginning of the movie, which is like, you know, a piece of art is supposed to provoke questions, not answers. And not everything is as it seems movie, which is like, you know, a piece of art is supposed to provoke questions, not answers, and not everything.

It's just like, okay, great. The relationship didn't seem like it would be one that we would all want, but it worked for them. Got it. I'm ahead of this a million years in front of it. Do you have many questions after watching that movie? No, certainly not.

I think you understand it pretty fully. Right. That movie is up its own ass. I think that's a cop-out because I think Miss Vanell was saying the same thing too in interviews where she was like, all we wanted to do was to make people think something, feel something. Think about what though?

But what? Exactly. Meanwhile, not to tie in too many other things, but like, Yorgos is in these interviews being like, our movie isn't really about anything. It's just about exploration and discovery because that's what the character goes through. So there's no real message there. And I'm like, that's really refreshing to hear that we don't, there's no takeaway from this really beautiful film. And there doesn't have to be for everything necessarily. For the takeaway to be whatever your takeaway is, that doesn't really ring authentic to me. I mean, it's another way of saying, which I actually respect her for saying, which is I didn't really have anything to say. Because to be honest with you, the movie...

I don't think she's saying that. Okay, let's talk about Salt Burn. I don't think she's saying that, by the way. Let's talk about Salt Burn. So Salt Burn is definitely a fucking moment right now. And here's what I loved about Salt Burn. What I loved about Salt Burn. What I loved about Salt Burn. It looked stunning.

It was beautiful. It was gorgeous sets. The cinematography is excellent. I love the production design. I think that Emerald Fennell is really creative and has a really good taste when it comes to music in her movies. I think that she often creates moments that are certainly iconic. And I was, I would say, entertained the entire time.

Like the way I'd be entertained watching like an MTV movie or like a Netflix movie or something like that. You know what I mean? But when you're an Academy Award winning screenwriter and you're tackling class, you know what i mean like but when you're an academy award-winning screenwriter and you're tackling class you know what i mean i guess i just assumed it would have more to say than it did because it ultimately said nothing and almost makes a deliberate choice to be pulp and i have said before like it's okay that she is a pulpy filmmaker like it doesn't have to be a read

on her or a drag on her it's just that there were so many moments scripting wise where this could have been something more or something not as heavy handed I also liked I think half the performances in the movie are really fucking good it's just that when the script

goes to a kookaburra place the performances can't can't help but lean into like craziness and then everyone looks a little silly because the script gets silly you know what i mean like and ultimately what i really didn't like about this is and again spoiler alert this idea that the big reveal is he was just a psychopath and he was literally behind everything from the second the movie started. Like, if that's true, then there are so many holes in this plot. Yeah. Like, this reveal in a montage at the end of the movie where it was him all along. First of all, we've seen this a million fucking times.

A million times. And more compelling than this. I don't know. I think it kind of undermines the entire third act where Jacob already takes them to his parents. Like that, like, well then he wouldn't go into the house.

He just wouldn't go. Sorry. Yeah. These are big, these are big spoilers, but I think the movie is a moment and that is an accomplishment. I love totally Becca producer. Becca says people are just horny TBH.

I think that's a lot to do with it. And I think that also she's satisfying a lot of people with this movie and like i said i was entertained the entire time it's just that like you could have meant something you were not i was were you bored i was literally gonna say that i was bored and i fast forwarded through by the time I, but by the time, so when you, when you watch vampire cunnilingus and you watch like, you know,

come bathtub lapping by the time it gets to like grave plot fucking, I'm like, I get it. Let's keep it moving. She's a stunt queen. Right. But I think it's diminishing returns on stunts, period,

in anything, right? Like, we reach a critical mass, and I feel like it has all these really weird, interesting pacing issues. I think, yeah, half the performances being great seems right to me. I

could go into, I don't know. I don't want to pick on anyone for their performances. I don't want to pick on anybody. But I will say there are some that are really bad in this. Really, really bad. I will pick on one person who I've never, ever, ever cared for. Okay. I think Rosamund Pike has never pulled it off.

Ever. No, I think she has. I take never pulled it off. Ever. No, I'm sorry. I think she has. I take it back. Jane Bennett, absolutely. Gone Girl, I'm like... Oh, yeah, your predecessor. It should have been like a Jennifer Aniston.

It should have been... I think it should have been Reese. You know what... Reese would have been perfect. Gone Girl was originally Reese Witherspoon because she produced it. And then David Fincher, the director, told Reese, it can't be you because people

have a sense of you already. So they cast Rosamund Pike, which to me felt like a weird choice because Rosamund Pike I don't know anyone who looks like a killer more than Rosamund Pike from frame one in Gone Girl. Huge compliment. Huge compliment to her. She looks like an intense

murderous woman and I love that. I think she's really good at playing a fucking idiot. And I think, here's what I'll say about her in this movie. She definitely has her lines. You know, she gives her lines. I think she's good in the scene where he is telling her that he has suspicions about their cousin or whatever. Their adopted, you know, friend or whatever. Like, I think she's good in the movie.

I don't understand. Farley. I don't understand watching this movie and walking away and being like, the supporting performance from an actress in this movie that is standout is Rosamund Pike. Alison Oliver, who plays the sister. Valencia.

Eat that up. She was amazing. Eat that up. She was was I think maybe the only actor who elevated the dialogue from pulp into something

filmic into something like oh wow this is great like this is a really really great performance and then that image of her at the end

I'm like that whole character beautifully tragic the entire arc I'm like and that's that's acting that is

I think she's the only anyway sorry now I'm getting here's what I'll say I. I think she's the only... Anyway, sorry. Now I'm getting... Here's what I'll say. I agree with you. She's the best performance in the movie. I like Barry in the movie a lot.

I think Barry Keoghan's performance in the movie is fucking great. And I think Jacob does what he needs to do. Again, I wish there was more about that character that made you really understand why he was the apple of his family's eye. You know what i mean but barry i think is really excellent until the script forces him to play too broad because he once he starts changing his personality every second for every character he meets you're watching it like of course he's like evil you know what i mean there's no surprise at the

end of the movie that he is as diabolical and as psychotic as he seems because they've been telegraphing it now at that point for like over an hour and so you completely take the wind out of the sails of like what you've got at that point which is this you know she's clearly inspired by talented mr ripley here which is this like love story that's becoming obsessive. And you feel like maybe he doesn't have control over to then say, oh, just kidding. He had control over it the entire time.

He's actually the smartest person in the world. Mama, if that's true, how come he didn't have a fail safe for when Jacob brings him to his family's house? Like he didn't have a way to get out of that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He was wonderful. And he was great. At the end, when that script gets crazy and he's giving that monologue to Rosamund Pike

when she's intubated, it's like, the only thing that's missing is a Snidely Whiplash mustache. You know what I mean? Right. All that's missing is him in a top hat

and a cane being like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. It's like, okay. I was wondering the entire time, wait, so like, why does, why does he shift completely at the midpoint personality wise?

It would have been more interesting if like, it wasn't a masterminded plot the whole time, because then it just, then he is just kind of a dimensionless point. Yeah. When you're watching a movie and it is very clear to you that someone is being manipulative, that is not a good performance

of manipulation. You know what's a great performance of manipulation? Emma Stone in The Favorite. That is a perfect performance of manipulation because you don't have a finger on her. And that's why that's a great script.

But here it's just like yeah obviously when a script has obvious plot holes and you can point out and be like no then it doesn't deserve to be in a scripting conversation by all means nominate the movie for cinematography by all means in my opinion nominate alice and oliver by all means there's things that are great about this movie but this whole thing of like the final montage being this gag it's not watch three other movies

and I don't mean to be like a snob I just mean to be like you can like watching him lick up the cum and fuck the grave and also be like yeah this movie could have been better if it was about one thing and if there was like research on anachronisms, research on ways that he could have actually covered this up. Just thinking beyond the premise a little bit more and beyond the pulp a little bit more to make this something durable.

Even the period of it is thinly applied. And to me, it just kind of comes off as this convenient way out of smartphones as a plot device. Literally as a way of them looking up the sky. But again, not that the internet didn't exist and that this family would have access to, like, I don't know, like, who, like, regularly takes in these, like, interlopers. Yeah. Doesn't, like, have a way of, anyway. My thing is, please someone talk me off this ledge because it's actually driven me to the brink of insanity. I think I know where you're going to go.

I looked it up. Schools in the UK. Yeah. of insanity. I think I know where you're gonna go. I looked it up. Schools in the UK go by, just like in America, class of graduating year. This movie is supposed to take place in the summer, I guess, of 2007. And then

you see the banner behind Barry Keoghan's first scene, Welcome Class of 2006. Which, to me, to an unsuspecting audience, until it gets to these obvious chronological markers later on, it makes me think that this movie takes place in 2002. It starts off in the fall of 2002, and then it ends in,

the rest of it takes place in Saltburn in the summer of 2003. I'm immediately lurched into 2007 because of the super bad on VHS, which hadn't come out on VHS by that point. And then Emerald Fennell in interviews has been like, no, it's okay. The dad's rich

so he must be connected enough to receive a screener. Wait, did she say that she literally said that you're kidding i'm not joking the dad was rich enough to get us where where i have to know where she said that i think it's on like her vanity fair thing i had i have to throw my head back and cackle and break off my damn vertebra because of how funny that is oh my god and it's like fucking them screaming mr brightside which is like okay but at that point it was already like a four-year-old song so to be fair we would scream mr brightside too if it came on karaoke in the summer of 2007 or because i think mr brightside i'm gonna say that song had

reached like a little bit of a valley a fallow period before it resurged into as a classic like it does now in 2024 this is what i'm saying it's very clearly an anachronism not an anachronism but like a chronological marker for us as an audience in 2023 2024 then the macbook on jacob alorti's desk is i i think i'm i'm about 80 sure like a 2009 2010 model so these departments can be at a 10 sure like just like with bradley but the departments are hampered by their direction and if the director doesn't really give a shit about these details, even though she is this like aesthetically bold, big swing director, I'm like, well, then what's the point?

Then like, are you even good at that part in which you profess to be good? You know what? Some British people have defended a lot of this. And they say that- It is from the Brits. Let's just generalize. I'll say this. I sort of am seeing

this British guy, right? Sort of am. He fucking loves Saltburn. He loves Saltburn. He's a super well-read guy. He's like, well, there's a lot of interesting things to say

about Klaus. And I was like, does it? I'm like, if it does, what exactly is it saying? Because- Go see Parasite. Go watch Parasite. I just feel like when it's revealed that he's actually from like at least middle class upbringing, which, by the way, that scene drove me nuts.

Because while Barry's parents are talking to Jacob, Barry is sitting there rocking back and forth in his seat like a psycho. And I'm like, is no one going gonna ask him what the fuck is up like this is the weirdest movie ever like his parents are just like oh you're back yay we didn't know where you were sit here while we talk to your new friend and you rock back and forth like a mental patient i'm like i'm sorry what is going on here what reality are we in and again i'm watching it with a smile on my face because i'm like what what? But don't talk to me about this script. Don't talk to me about the script. I'm sorry.

You know what? When I say too many cooks, not enough cooks. Oh, British people sound smart. And so this guy that you're seeing, I'm sure he's very intelligent. I'm sure he's leagues smarter than I'm sure he's smart. League's smarter than me. I don't know about that. I don't know about whatever the class commentary is here. I think the idea of watch out for the middle class,

people interloping in upper class story, I think that's somewhat interesting. It's been done before, but I'd love to see more of it. I don't know that it's presented in this compelling package that people seem to think that this movie is. I just don't think she is creating the best versions

of these things. I wish her the best. I'm very excited to see what she does. I am a fan. And here's the thing, I think it was Beyonce who said, I'm very excited to see what she does. I am a fan. And here's the thing. I think it was Beyonce who said, you know you're that bitch when you cause all this conversation. You know who has an Oscar?

Her. You know who doesn't? Me. And that's fine. It's just like I feel a little perplexed about praise when it comes to screenwriting when they have such obvious holes and this is not the first time and like i said i completely get and when she won the oscar for promising young woman i didn't agree but i applauded because what she had done what she had created had had an impact and it spoke to a lot of people to what end is this move you know

what i mean like what where is that and it's okay that it is this move you know what i mean like what where is that and it's okay that it's just pulp you know what i mean that's fine you know how many male directors are out there fucking pulp way worse than this who have all these opportunities it's really fun to watch i i think i had maybe a lot more fun watching it than you seem to because i didn't fast forward a second of this i watched it with my mouth open laughing. But then at the end, when he rips that intubator out of her goddamn mouth and is like, ha ha ha ha ha,

and dances to Red Room on the dance floor, which yeah, I've hit 15 times on my Spotify since watching it. I had to say this movie had nothing. It had everything and nothing. It was great gowns, beautiful gowns. Wow.

Thank you for that. And here's the thing. We're not even being cunts because I loved almost everything else I saw. We're not being cunts, but we're getting the cuntiness out of the way first. Again, we are going to... Let's not spoil too much.

Of the other films? Of the other films. Yeah, because I feel like those haven't been like cultural conversations in the way this one has let's start with all of us strangers

what were your thoughts I really really enjoyed it loved I I think I got lost in the sauce a little bit after the midpoint

after a moment where he and Paul Mescal's character go out and they went to they did go to Royal Vohel Tavern which we've been to after a moment where he and Paul Metzkal's character go out. And they went to, they did go to Royal Vohel Tavern, which we've been to,

which is where Freddie Mercury took Princess Diana. Yes. We've been to that bar multiple times. And so that's where they go out in that scene. And then from there, it kind of starts to unravel in this really beautiful way. And the ending snatched me bald. Well, first I just want to say,

this is by Andrew High, who one of my favorite movies is Weekend. And I'll never forget. And I actually was a, I was a Looking fan. The first season of Looking, I thought got really good by the end. And I always love Andrew High's work. And I was really excited about this

because I'm a really big fan of the entire cast. Yes. And this did not disappoint. I think Andrew Scott is so fucking good in this. There's a moment, he has a scene with Jamie Bell, who also is not getting talked about. I know the exact moment you're talking about.

Suffice it to say, there's a scene between Jamie Bell, who also is not getting talked about. I know the exact moment you're talking about. Suffice it to say, there's a scene between Jamie Bell and Andrew Scott. I won't say what the relationship is because you should see it, but there's a moment where Andrew Scott has an emotional break that comes out of really

nowhere. There's only been one other moment this year, or maybe two in film, that I've like, out of nowhere, just had like an emotional reaction to it. And he's just so gifted. Andrew is amazing. And I cross my fingers that he gets nominated for an Oscar for this, because his sense of emotional discovery is so on point. Like, he's just so fresh. He's so easy to watch. He's so likable.

And he feels, like, broken yet open in this way that is so good. He's got unbelievable chemistry with Paul Mesko, who is such a fucking superstar. He's so good. Like, I would nominate him for an Oscar for this as well. As well as Claire Foy Claire Foy in this movie is it's just so great and I would describe the movie with the exact words that are like the pull quotes from reviews on the poster it is haunting and heartbreaking and I don't know if I like it as much as Weekend because Weekend holds like a very special place in my heart.

I think from seeing it years prior to this and just it's in like the fabric of my life. But this movie was like really unforgettable and like very surreal and makes a lot of interesting choices that make you think in ways that I think the movies we've talked about thus far are like playing at.

Yes, they are playing at that. And I think this is something that pulls it off much more elegantly and does the thing of like bringing back an old song and the power of love. I mean, always on my mind was what I was living for. I was just like, I don living for. Oh, yeah. Like, I don't know. It's just like, he's got such a great language as a filmmaker and he's got such a strong aesthetic and it is here despite the fact that ultimately this is a different genre

than he's like ever done. I think this is a very big departure for him. And I thought it was so amazing. When I realized, like, I went in pretty agnostic. And then when I discovered what was happening I was very captivated and I think that is a very important part of that viewing experience for an audience member who maybe doesn't know that going in I can't say enough about this movie I really loved it and it's worth seeing for the acting and it's worth seeing for the really really really i think

compelling emotional story that it tells and talk about a latent film reveal that like actually hits and you don't see coming yeah yeah it's this i mean like it's it's just great and I had a sense of it as it was going but I didn't see it playing out that way so this was a great one this was a great one another trend I noticed saying between Murder on the Dance Floor and like Frankie Goes to Hollywood and All of Us Strangers Indigo Girls and Barbie

fucking I don't know like Labby Seafray and the Holdovers like P.I.M.P. and Anatomy of a Fall. A lot of like old, old songs kind of like being very important features in these movies and like them being all back in the conversation in some fun way. That's another like trend in this year, I think, for movies

where I'm like, oh, that's fun. Like make the song a thing, a choice. I mean, hearing 50 Cent, P.I hearing 50 cent pimp jump out like seconds into anatomy of a fall was like not what i was expecting at all and then at some point like they make the point of like saying it was an instrumental version and i was like oh my god so funny and if you put on the subtitles like like i'm a subtitle girl if you put it on it when it plays in the beginning it's like pimp by not by 50 cent, but by like the instrumentalist.

And I was like, Oh, that's interesting. Was that, so I did 50 cents sample this thing originally, but then like, I think it all kind of looped back around to this perfect way by the end.

The original artist was called the instrumentalist. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, on the subtitles, it said P I M P by like the names of the people who are playing the instruments is what I'm saying oh and it says instrumentalist so the CC gave it away got it got it got it the CC gave it away and said but still the title of the song

was still PIMP even though 50 Cent's name didn't show up and I went oh I guess 50 Cent sampled this song also called PIMP by the people who like maybe that's true. Anyway, this is all... Should we talk about Anatomy of a Fall?

Because I'm also fresh from watching it. Yeah, so Anatomy of a Fall, just to refresh everyone, if you don't know, Anatomy of a Fall is a courtroom drama starring Sandra Hueller. And she's getting a lot of best actress buzz for this. And essentially, it's like a courtroom drama

slash thriller slash drama, like straight straight up drama which is about a woman who discovers her husband has fallen from the attic of their ski their chalet and um then she's put on trial for the murder because she's there's no explanation for why he would fall it was she she is the prime suspect she's in the house you find out there suspect. She's in the house. You find out there is like something bubbling in the house. There's domestic drama. There's stuff bubbling there. And it's just this sort of... It's essentially a courtroom drama.

And it's really well done. And it's pretty gripping. And it starts with an instrumental version of P.I.M.P. What did you say? I want to find George Severus' Letterboxd review. Of Anatomy of a Fall? Of Anatomy of a Fall.

Was he cunty about this? No, he wasn't. But his review was very funny because he said, so a woman kills her husband and now she has to

prove her queerness in court? It's like something along those lines. There's a queer element to it. There's a queer element to it. There is a queer element to it. This was great. I really enjoyed this. Maybe

it's not my favorite of the year. I don't think, but I'm glad it landed on people's radars, on my radar. I really enjoyed watching it. Won the Palme d'Or at Cannes. I think Justine Triet, the writer-director, also won. She won the Palme d'Or think justine trier the writer director also won oh no she she won the palm door but sandra jeweler great performance there amazing really wonderful and from the kid

betrays nothing and it's a very specific performance of grief because it's not like you really don't know you don't know the entire time like whether or not she's done this. And you kind of really don't at the end. I agree. You don't at the end. I was kind of like, eh, sure, whatever this I'm watching.

And then something kind of hits you in the last 40 minutes of the film where I think, oh, this movie like hold has something to say about the truth and about like the way things are mediated or educated in this environment but like if you don't know how some it's like I won't spoil I think this is a spoiler because it kind of like really hit me but it's basically along the lines of like if you're not sure how something happens what do you do and there are human instincts to filling in that gap of information and that's kind of what the whole movie is about that's kind of what that courtroom

setting is about which i thought was very fun like french court seems really interesting to me they were nice costumes yeah i was really it was very compelling how it plays out yeah i didn't realize like so basically if you before you watch this movie, it's not a typical courtroom drama in that it's the way that we see them play out. It's like this French court where I guess the defendant can be questioned at any time. At any time

and the judge can be sassy, sassy. But I think this is maybe in general what a European court looks like because if you play there's a game called Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney and it's Japanese and it's modeled after European courts where like they can just scream at the defendant at any point and in the game like the defendant is always catching fucking like shouts and stuff and I'm like oh yeah like this is how

court rooms work in other environments you could never get away with what the prosecution attorney gets away with like he is such a dick in the movie and I hated him he was such an asshole he was a little bitch I hated him but you buy every every minute of this movie as being like real like it's such a grounded film like it's so it's just really really well done and I think that you're onto something there about proving object, needing to prove objectivity or needing to like have objectivity where there's none. Like,

and it's almost like you find yourself asking like, so what is the best thing to do here at the end? Even if she did kill this guy you know right there's the character dynamics the way that that sort of thing plays out between the characters is unexpected and the character who tells another character what i think the movie is trying to say does it in this very interesting way where i'm just gonna say like it's basically along the lines of like if if you don't know how something happened, then you have to decide. Yeah. Then you have to just decide. And then the other person goes, does that mean you have to believe it? And

then the person goes, no, you just have to decide. It's a different thing. You don't have to believe it. You just have to decide. And it real, I've never considered it that way. I've never seen that be so elegantly stated in a courtroom drama like this or in any sort of like a legal sort of storytelling package. And I

really enjoyed it. The movie has more than one great performance too. The sun is great. I'm going to be here for Halloween. The sun is amazing. Oh my God. He's Red Rum. He's from The Shining too. They have the same outfit. He has a genius haircut. He has one coat where he wears like a red and blue coat and he's like walking with the dog

and he's... It's just really... I don't know. It's great. That dog. I actually had to fast forward past the dog scene because I was just like this isn't for me and I understand what it is but I can't watch this happen. That dog is a star. Beautiful dog. I was like how did they past the dog scene because I was just like this isn't for me and I understand what it is but I can't watch this happen. That dog is a star. Beautiful dog. I was like how did they get the dog

to do this? Well you know what someone else on Letterboxd. I think it was Fran. I think it was Fran Heppner. It was someone else who was just like Jepilea ASPCA. Yeah honestly. I'm calling the ASPCA. I do have questions about how they got the dog to act.

I had to do that. What it experiences. Y'all will see it and then we can talk. But anyway, sounds like we love this one. It's not to say that there are ways to train a smart dog like that to act like it's suffering. Don't pass the smell test to me though, girl. Anyway, a dog is in pain well that's all we'll say

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I loved Poor Things. Adored it. I thought Poor Things, again, like, it's got excellent performances. It is maybe the most your ghost movie yet it's almost like he's earned the right to be as fucking crazy as he wants now and make all the choices that he wants and it feels like his intuition is just dead on artistically like it all just feels really fresh new and interesting not for the sake of being fresh new and, and interesting, but with purpose. And I think that's something that's different about this movie than other ones we've discussed as well.

Emma Stone is so great in this, and it must have been really fun to perform. So she basically plays a woman who has committed suicide, and she's brought basically back to life by Willem Dafoe, who is like this sort of like Victor Frankenstein type character. He's got like a house that's like almost a zoo with like different animals' heads on other animals' bodies. Like, he's able to take Emma Emma Stone's unborn child's brain and put it in her own body. And so she wakes and essentially she has a baby brain in an adult woman's body. And then she matures very quickly to the point where suddenly she's this like baby woman who has a sexual awakening because she's in an adult body very quickly

and very quickly starts to make headway in terms of her intelligence. She starts to question the realities of the world. She questions so much. And it really asked the question, like if someone were to just come to this earth and immediately mature and be able to look at everything objectively and discover what our world really truly is. What would those questions be? And are those questions really worth asking right now? Talk about a thought-provoking movie. It talks about the reality of misogyny in our world, the reality of the way that sex work is talked about in our world, the reality of human tragedy in this world and the way that we're is talked about in our world, the reality of human tragedy in this world

and the way that we're asked to be okay with it, the reality of abuse, the structures of power in this world. And it's all done playfully and in a really interesting, fresh way and has amazing performances across the board. This had to be so much, dare I say, fun for Emma to do because it was giving ETW the best way. It was giving experimental theater on film in a really refined way. I really liked this. I think this is a really good, good team of people,

which is Emma, Yorgos, and Tony McNamara, who also did, co-wrote The F Favourite and co-wrote Cruella with Dana Fox. I think there's a lot of trust among these people. I mean, I think, if you want to talk about writing, I feel like the way you write Bella Baxter developmentally throughout the

arc of her character and just as she matures into language is so difficult must have been so difficult and it is based on a play so there is like some source text a little bit but um i took half an edible and i was living oh i was having a blast at this movie and just my prevailing thought was like, how do you possibly, I mean, the performance aside,

how do you possibly convey all of these things that this person is discovering for themselves in the language of like how she, like what she picks up when she picks it up, when she like, by the end, she's a fully articulate person. And it's incredible. If you think about it,

like at the beginning of this movie, she was just playing on the piano and like waddling around with like the little duck dog and I'm just like this is incredible and the way the sets of the production design is incredible LED screens almost I think every outdoor scene was

on a soundstage LED screen so on the boat those clouds those pink purple clouds, huge screen, right? Minimal VFX. Yours is like, I'm making this as practical as I can. Very few VFX. The fish

eye lens coming back from the favorite I love. Just like it kind of coinciding perfectly with like when the world opens up. Another layer for her, for, for Bella Ruffalo. Great.

Really like Rami Yusuf in this. Great. And I will say what I feel is that Ruffalo is definitely one of our best. And Emma Stone is one of our best. And you can tell they're having so much fun together, even when it gets like gnarly. I think that just to talk about the script again what's so great about it is that it asks she in her discovery ask extremely base but also intelligent questions yeah and that is something where he had to really think like,

okay, I am just now discovering the concept of prostitution. So she, as a character asks, well, shouldn't we be picking who we sleep with? Because it's going to be better if we enjoy it, right? You know what I mean? Wouldn't that be, if you're going to pay for this, you want me to want to fuck you, right? Because that'd be better for everyone.

Like, why do they come in here and why are we standing in the line? You know what I mean? Like, and it's just interesting because it's like, oh, of course, someone who just walks into that situation is going to think about it like that. And because she's not cultured to live in a world where, of course, the men decide. They're the men. Right. Even the question she asks oh that actor who played the madam

was excellent her name is Catherine yes yes she was also in the Macbeth movie and she played the witches and she is like the cream of the crop Catherine Hunter

she was excellent but even that first moment where Bella the cream of the crop. Catherine Hunter. Catherine Hunter. Yes. Yes. She's amazing. She was excellent. But even that first moment where Bella discovers what sex work is, and it's just like, understands that like, Oh, you get paid to do this. She's like,

I get paid to do the thing that I love to do. Yes. Why not? Of course. Let's do it. Like that is a perfect starting point for that character. And then as she discovers all of these weird yeah customs within it like that's when it's fun and interesting but um i really really

really loved it so much i was with it the whole time i was like more more more i was sad that it ended but ultimately so it just feels like it ends on such a lovely light triumphant note that i really liked i really i'm like rooting for it all the way i was uncomfortable the entire time because this movie is a little bit more grotesque than i like to watch like i think whenever whenever the tone of a movie is anyone could vomit at any time, I'm not having fun. You know what I'm saying? And like, by the way, so much vomit in movies this year.

Is there more vomit in film this year than ever? What have we tracked so far? Vomit, old songs, black and white, or like fake patina on things. Cum, sure. There's cum. Oh, when Paul Maskell licks the cum off Andrew Scott's chest. or like fake patina on things. Come, sure. There's come every, there's, oh, when Paul Meskel licks the cum

off Andrew Scott's chest and all of us strangers, I said, important, important. Paul Meskel, you will always be famous. Well, I,

ultimately, ultimately, what I have not stopped thinking about, I think Matt Whitaker was telling me, it was either, it was like some writer

was saying that this was the year of the doll. Barbie, poor things. Yeah. She's literally like, just like. Megan.

Megan, where it's like doll goes out into the real world, like Little Mermaid. Oh yeah. Like a lot of that. And interesting, interesting thing to think about. Taylor,

even on some level where it's like you put different costumes on her for her eras. Barbie walking around in real life. Yes. Let's discuss American fiction. Yes. Love it.

Yeah, you go first. Really, really enjoyed it. Jeffrey Wright is a deeply, deeply important actor, I think. Oh, yeah. He's the best. Remember, we interviewed him at Vulture Fest once. I had forgotten this, and I was watching it, and I was like, have I met him? Yes, I think. Oh, yeah. He's the best. Remember, we interviewed him at Vulture Fest once. I had forgotten this, and I was watching it, and I was like, have I met him?

And I was like, I think the answer is yes! He was great vibes. He was very cool to talk to. I remember he liked us. Not for nothing. But he was excellent in this. Cord Jefferson, what a great debut. What a talented

writer. What an excellent mind. I really liked how this was about a communal cultural trauma that this character was gauging his distance with, but while also dealing with his own personal trauma, like fucked up things happening in his own life. I really thought it was interesting that it was a movie about palatability that ultimately, I think, and this is not a knock on the movie,

was in a very palatable package. That it was like a lovely indie from like yesteryear in a way that was like really nice to watch. So those are my general thoughts. I think this is one of the most original scripts I've seen in a really long time. And I think this is one of the most original scripts I've seen in a really long time. And just this is where a writer director has complete control over what he

wants to say and what he wants to say is really new. And so American Fiction is about Jeffrey Wright plays a man who is a successful novelist, but he's having trouble at this stage in his career because he can't sell a book because it seems like the market wants something he's uncomfortable giving. So he's a black man. And basically a character played by Issa Rae is having a lot of success. Issa was making me laugh. Issa's great. Issa's great in it. And I'll tell you who else is great in this is Tracee Ellis Ross. Tracee Ellis Ross was awesome in this. And there's a twist with her character that took the wind out of my sails too. But basically to speak

on this movie, what it's about, it's like he's playing a guy who doesn't want to sell out and do a book that's about like racial stereotypes. Like Issa Rae plays a young novelist who's having a huge success with a book that reinforces a lot of harmful stereotypes about black people and he hates it he turns his nose up at it he's like i'm never gonna do that so in his personal life this is tough because he really needs to sell a book he is going through a lot of personal struggles his mom who's played by this shook me fucking leslie uggams it was unbelievable like i couldn't believe like that was i hadn't seen her in years icon legend and his mother is vastly deteriorating into alzheimer's there's money problems etc like he needs money bad so as a joke or as like a bit and when he's drunk one night he pumps out this novel that is like the most base

like really like reductive movie where there's like a lot of gang violence etc and then lo and behold the market goes crazy for it and it becomes like this huge success and he has to deal with the fact that now this thing he hates is this thing that's actually coming to fruition in real time. He's like, wow, I'm actually being the harmful thing I hated, and now I can't sit with myself. And his life sort of falls apart. But what I loved about this the most is that it is this meditation on how, as a creator, you can stand by your work and yet also participate and thrive in a commercial market that feels like it's for dumber and dumber and dumber people. You know what I mean? And in the meditation on that, you get to the end of this movie and the story is told,

but what Cord Jefferson has been able to do is also tell this story this very human relatable story about this man that essentially is a new installment in i guess you could say american fiction yeah you know what i mean like while we're having the conversation about what it means to participate commercially while also being able to stomach yourself artistically. We've also been almost in the B story, actually told this new story that like proves you can do both and proves you can do what you want to do.

So, I mean, this was doing a lot of things all at once. I loved it. I loved the performances. Sterling K. Brown plays gay and I loved it. I loved the performances. Sterling K. Brown plays gay, and I loved it. He's hot as shit. And if there's little quibbles I have with the movie, maybe it's a little uneven in terms of that plot line.

Sure, sure. But I didn't care. That is my main complaint, is that that character was... I wasn't sure what the... He's there to tell Monk, the main character, something at the end. But otherwise, a lot of the character

details, I was like, what is this? Where does this go? And maybe it doesn't go anywhere and that's fine. Eric Alexander, who plays the love interest, excellent as well. Very good. She's great. I think that there's something in this movie that asks the question about

accepting yourself versus the world accepting you you know what i mean how those two different things and really ultimately all that matters is that you accept yourself and that you can be good with yourself there's something in the narrative about like because sterling k brown's character is gay and you get the sense that his parents did not accept him and then he's got he's got like a crazy like block because of that like he's got drug problems etc but there's there's so many layers in this movie that i can't say enough about it and i hope it gets nominated for an oscar for the script because it told a really funny original story i laughed a a lot. And by the end,

it ends in a really surprising way. And I was just like, oh, wow, the character did something I didn't expect. Lots of weird narrative choices here. Lots of things I hadn't seen before. And I appreciated the swings. Great ending.

Great ending. Just in terms of the swings, if we're going to talk about the swings, does some really cool stuff. Yeah. everybody once again i say great job everybody great job everybody and we both loved the holdovers i loved it so much yeah oh my god i haven't heard you talk about it yeah i haven't talked to you since you saw it the holdovers is just a classic, great story. You know what I mean?

Like, sometimes here's the thing. These movies don't have to reinvent the wheel or pretend they're reinventing the wheel. Just tell a great story. And Alexander Payne is one of our great storytellers. And he has got such a handle on his tone and his language. This is just a filmmaker that knows himself so well. So The Holdovers stars Paul Giamatti who's my, I think him and Andrew Scott

it's between them for me, for the Oscar. For me. But basically, Paul Giamatti plays a very like strict traditional teacher at this all boys school. It's like an all boys prep school, I guess. Boarding school, yeah.

And basically he has to stay behind over Christmas break and stay with some students that also need to stay for Christmas break while all the other students go home with their families. So he doesn't have a family. He's like sort of a curmudgeon. And he stays behind with a select few students and also the head cook who's played by Divine Joy Randolph. And she plays Mary, who's recently lost her son in Vietnam.

So it's really ultimately the story of Paul Giamatti, Divine Joy Randolph, and the one kid that gets left behind solely at the school, who's a newcomer named Dominic Sessa, who's great. Very good. And about their bond and the way that they all change for the better as a result of spending that winter break together. Just a really emotional, complicated in terms of character dynamics, but not complicated in terms of plot

or any storytelling thing. Just a really good story that makes you feel really good at the end because you get the sense that you've watched an important installment in these people's lives, all of them. And it's just really great and leaves you with a good feeling. And it's honestly like, in terms of holiday movies,

like, it'll hold up. I was going to say, the new Christmas classics are Have You Heard of Christmas? and The Holdovers. Period. I am pressing play on these things every year. I loved it so much. Of course, sister.

My favorite Alexander Payne since election. I think I liked this better than Sideways. I didn't think I would say that. I love Sideways. And I kind of think I can't be the only person who's pointed out how ironic it is that it's the opposite of election, right? Like teacher, instead of antagonizing a student, like really

grows to nurture and love and make a huge sacrifice for a student. I just, I'm thinking about it now and I'm getting emotional. Just Devondra Randolph. I think she is probably front runner for best supporting. Oh, she's absolutely the front runner. Well, she's not lost a single award so far. Precursor. And mind you, so one thing is we're recording this. We're recording this before the Golden Globes, yeah. Prior to the Golden Globes.

So you won't get any Golden Globe reaction in this episode, as you probably can tell because we probably would have mentioned it by now. But if Divine Joy Randolph loses the Golden Globe tonight, that would be a huge snub because she's won everything.

I don't know that I understand completely why it's a total clean sweep because I think supporting actress is really good this year. It's really good. Supporting actress, actress and supporting actor are all really strong. An actor is incredibly weak, but there's a couple of great performances. For me, Divine is amazing. I just wish that there could have been maybe one more scene or one more thing with her character,

just to give her like a little bit of a moment or a glimpse inside, because she's this incredibly real person. Who's like really solid in the movie. It's just, I, I'm not understanding why it's been a complete knockdown drag out because there are amazing performances this year in supporting actress. I'll touch on the color purple in a second.

Yeah. Oh, Julianne Moore in May. December is great. Let me just for a second. Are you there? God, it's me, Margaret. Oh, you're Rachel McAdams is so special. I need to watch Bowen.

You I know are a Rachel fan. Yes. You have to watch Are You There God, It's Me, Margaret. I can't wait. So before I talked about that moment in Andrew Scott's performance where I involuntarily broke down,

that happens in this movie at the end. Obviously, Are You There God, It's Me, Margaret is a classic coming-of-age novel. Yes. And it wasn't really on my radar because I thought of it as like, and this was my own mistake, I thought of it like,

oh, it's like, you know, like a book for, it's like YA. You know what I mean? I thought it's YA, whatever. I love this movie so much. That was your first mistake is writing off YA, bitch.

That was my first mistake. Don't ever underestimate YA. And it will be the last time I write off YA because this adaptation of it is so lovely rachel mcadams is so you know what's fucking you know what's fucked up about her i'm watching her in this movie and she naturally projects so much warmth and love and we're looking at regina fucking george i'm like this bitch is she is so talented she can do anything

anything and i hope she gets an oscar nomination for this because the movie succeeds beautifully and it is because of her and there's a moment towards the end of the movie so i won't spoil but there's like a milestone in the lead character margaret's life and rachel's reaction to it and the love between them is the success of the whole movie chef's kiss rachel mcadams i just love her i just love her she's one of our greats she is really one of our greats. She is really one of our greats. Oh, I love Rachel. I can't wait. I mean, I just fucking love her. And yeah, I mean, that might be all for the movies I saw.

I know you haven't seen Color Purple. Oh, oh, should we talk about Past Lives? I know you saw Past Lives and loved Past Lives. Oh my God, I finally saw Past Lives. It was great. I will never forget that ending. Yeah. And, you know, what I love about Past Lives,

it's about these characters who had an intense connection as children, and then they lose each other in life because she moves to America. And it takes place in Korea. And then years later, they reconnect online and they have like an intense online relationship that she ends because she realizes

she's sort of in love with someone on a computer and they're not going to see each other. And then it passes 12 years again into the future when they're in their mid-30s and they have a meeting again. And ultimately what this movie is about is about the importance of and validity of those connections that may not be lifelong, but they are unforgettable and you won't forget. Like for me, it wasn't a sad movie. It was more of a beautiful, lovely movie that was about just how we can look at those connections and those relationships of people that like, you know we may never see again but we'll always remember as good things and there's a way to

include them in your life and in the landscape of your life in a way that doesn't have to feel like longing or the one that got away you know that it actually really helped me in many ways i left the movie like healed i felt. You know what the movie does, which is really incredible, is that it is so compassionate to everybody, including Josh Magaro's character, who is her current boyfriend. Yeah.

Or her present-day boyfriend. Greta Lee. Yeah. Who she meets at this artist retreat. And their meeting is really lovely and nice and organic and is completely beautiful and

there are a couple scenes and one in particular that takes place at a bar that is actually the first opening image of the film is these three people at a bar and this long lens and these people talking over them going like who do you think they are to each other yeah these long lens far frame shots that concept of distance is so well employed in this it's about voyeurism in a way it's about like watching from afar this thing

whether it's you i think it is about longing ultimately um and it resolves itself really nicely by the end but it's to me like it's so visually subtle and really nice doesn't get in the way of any of the things that are going on uh any of the other things that are going on on screen but yes compassionate about that guy that guy in this love triangle as it were were, where you go, well, get him out of there. You never think that, do you? Never. And there's this lovely moment between him and Haesun, Taeohyu's character. By the way, he's a huge

star. I hope he really is in more things, that actor. There's a moment between the two men at the end of this bar scene where they go, you know, where Haesun goes, you know, you and I have I think it's in this Korean concept, like like you and i have had a past life together too and like it really seals that triangle in such a beautiful way where it's like these two men are meaningful to each other too no matter what even though they've just met even though they

may never see each other again the two the relationship between these two men is so important and there's a moment at the end that I think you're talking about where it's this long long long shot that tracks these two people and then it tracks someone else on the way back and I

realized in watching that part again that moment encapsulates the entire movie. It is like this long, tense journey. This reunion of two people who are walking. She's sending him off. And then there's this long, uncomfortably long, sexy, horny, sad stare between these two people.

That's like a full minute, I think, or something like that. It's just long. Yeah. And it's loaded and it's heavy. And then he gets into a cab, into an Uber and leaves. And then she walks back. I'm sorry if I'm spoiling this. It's been out for a few months, several months at this point.

But, and then she like meets Josh again. And I'm like, that's the whole movie. That's the entire, that's the entire thing of the movie is just like that moment of letting go and then of returning to someone who is waiting for you. And there's something incredibly simple about that that I have not seen in a movie I really really really loved it and Greta's getting all the praise she deserves yeah she's so great

and I think it's career changing for her I would say that first and foremost this is like a directorial triumph I mean so I'll say this I went paid to go see this. I saw it on 12th Street in New York. And it was

the only movie I've seen where people applauded at the end. Wow. It was the only movie I've seen out of all of these where people were like moved to clap at the end. Wow. And I was just like, what? No, no. I was going to say, people applauded at poor things

and at American fiction for me, but keep going. Okay. You know what? I lied because as I transitioned into The Color Purple, I got a huge ovation.

And I actually want to say that I was able to see a screening of this that had a talkback afterwards with the director, Blitz Bazawule, and Fantasia, and Taraji, and Danielle, and Corey Hawkins. And the choreographer, Fatima Robinson, was there.

And it was just, it was a Monday night. And so a lot of Broadway people were off. Yes, yes. And so the energy was so amazing in the screening room. And it was so thick. And every number that was successful got like a big ovation and i love it at the end the movie really sticks the landing at the end like it's just so emotional in its last scene and i haven't been so happy to see sierra since

the like a boy music video i mean sierra comes in at the end and eats down um she plays the adult version of meddy let me just say a few things about this movie performances a plus yeah fantasia is so good in this and it makes me so happy because uh she has not gotten her due and she's so talented the way that she inhabits this character it's like i think it's like the definitive sealy for me because the way that she inhabits this character, it's like, I think it's like the definitive Seelie for me because the way that she carries her body, there's this like resignation in her. And there's this just like deep, it's almost like she's like resigned to her depression

and her lot in life and the way she holds her body. And then by the end, you see her shoulders are back, not to quote, I'm here, but like there's this like beautiful arc that plays, and her voice is so stunning. And what I loved about the movie was not only the trio of performances at the center, which are so great. I mean, Danielle Brooks is so great in this. Taraji is incredible in this. on this but what i loved was um that the script and i thought this was one of the directorial choices that worked imagines a world where we often see like the diegetic i guess you would

say is that a lot of it takes place in silly's imagination right and so that allows the movie to go in really interesting directions aesthetically and i would also compliment the sound editing of this movie for a musical i thought that you couldn't really tell what was being live sung and what was recorded like the voices were in front of the music in exactly the right way just great musical theater in this and i i actually saw fantasia do the color purple on broadway all those years ago and it was stunning then i really like this musical now is the part where i have some criticism for it so one of the reasons why i love the musical is because it's a really it's actually an even it's an even more accurate adaptation of the book than the movie is

the queerness is a lot more present in the musical than it was in the movie, where basically they reduced the queer storyline. And it's important to know. You mean the movie musical or the original film adaptation? The musical. The musical is really an adaptation of the book. Yes, yes, yes. And not the movie. So the movie is its own thing.

And the movie sort of reduces the queerness. And the reason why I'm Here happens in the musical on stage is because it obviously happens, it's the 11 o'clock number, and Suge decides she's going to leave Celie. So, they're in like a lesbian relationship, basically. And Celie is at all these disappointments and all this abuse and all this loss in her life and finally she's like running her store at the end of the story and suge decides she's gonna leave to have a final fling because that's who suge is and seely breaks down and she's like i can't believe that you're leaving me you said you wouldn't do this i love you and you still do this to me and suge swear she's gonna return and seely says no and that's when she starts to sing

i don't need you to love me this these are all the things i have and then i'm here comes as a result of sealy finally saying i am not going to let my self-worth and my happiness be dictated by other people i'm beautiful and i'm here that's's what that is. And plot-wise, it happens because Shulk decides to leave and Silly says, you know what? Even after all this disappointment, I'm not going to let you destroy my happiness and my personhood and my security with myself and my self-love. They took that out of the movie. And so there is no runway for I'm Here, is what you're saying?

No. Yeah, and that's tough because you want that runway. It is incredibly disappointing because Fantasia is giving her life. She is giving her life to this song and she has given her life to this song and she has given her a life to this performance and not only do they take the juice out of the narrative but it's not shot well oh i'm here is shot in the dark and especially after all of the really innovative ways in which

they shoot these other numbers because they allow it to happen in the realm of her imagination. And he absolutely nails Hell No, which is Danielle Brooks' big number. And then I'm Here Happens, and it's just a thud. And I was so bummed! And then I saw an interview with him and some of the filmmakers where they were like,

oh, we took out the storyline of Suge leaving. I think because they wanted to make it like more queer and more about like sisterhood and solidarity. And I'm like, how do you make this a better queer story by taking the tension and the conflict out of the queer relationship? To make it more and that they think that makes it more queer. That doesn't make sense. None of it makes relationship to make it more and that they think that makes it more queer that doesn't make sense none of it makes sense to me it is a total failure and adaptation of this story and to me i don't know yeah i was loving this movie until i realized what they had done with that storyline and i was just like i'm sorry but this, but this is not the best version of this story. And then, you know what? Go online and watch some clips of the Color Purple musical.

Watch the scenes where Suge is telling Celie that she's going to leave and how that launches Celie into I'm here and then how I'm here dovetails into the finale. That is like how that story should be told. That is like, that's the emotional climax of the movie! Or of the story! And it's just... I was really disappointed in that. Which really sucks, because I loved the movie for so many other reasons.

And I think that, especially, Fantasia's performance as Celie just deserved better than what happened in the end. Right. It's not a performance, no. It's just, it's directorial. She, for all intents and purposes, should be up for an Oscar. She won't be, though.

She could take that fifth spot. It's definitely a race to the fifth spot. For our lock, and then it's just about that fifth girl. I wouldn't nominate Carey Mulligan for Maestro. I just don't think the movie's good enough. Like, here's, my best actress would be this. And i'm giving fantasia i want this for her my best

actress would be natalie portman margot robbie emma stone and some combination of fantasia greta lee or sandra hewler i just wish i could say Fantasia with my... Did you say Lily? Who? Lily? No, I didn't say Killers of the Flower Moon. Right, right, right. I think she's a lock. For sure. Having not seen it, I think it seems like the scuttlebutt is

that she is a lock. I think... Don't rule out Fantasia. Look, I'm not ruling her out. I want it for her. I just think it's a shame it can't be called a lock, and I really think it could have. But when you see this movie, you'll know what I'm saying.

I'm Here Happens, she stands on her porch and sings it in the dark. That's tough. And if I was her, I'd be pissed. Yeah. Light me, I would say. I mean, light me properly.

That is a lifetime that leads up to that performance and she did it in the dark. No, unacceptable. I was disappointed. I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's going to be amazing.

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Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. What's not disappointing, and we have to touch on this. Better than any of these movies. Truly. One of the most riveting viewing experiences I have maybe ever had. This brought me right back to me in high school watching Grey's Anatomy, Super Bowl episodes. We are talking

of course about Mysteries Revealed, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season 4 finale. I cannot stop thinking about this and likely will never for the rest of my life. I think maybe the best episode of Housewives of all time. Big, big title.

And I don't disagree. But you know more than I do. Emeril Fennell needs to watch this episode. Because this, Monica Garcia did what Barry Keelan never could do. Which was, that was a real bamboozling. Yes. First of all, can we say the core four of LC, A-list. A-list.

They shot to the A-list. They were all, them standing on the beach. You know what I was flashing back to was when we watched Big Little Lies. And we got to watch this together too. The finale of SLC we watched together with a great crew. Oh, great crew. Screaming. I've never heard a scream and a laugh at the same time like I've heard it from Bowen Yang at the words Reality Von Teese.

It's such a perfect, stupid name. It is the only name it could have been do you know what i mean like there was like some a lot of chatter afterwards in our little group that night where we were like god that name though i don't know about that name i'm like no it is the perfect stupid name stupid avatar fucking like celeste yim reverse image search Reality Von Teese's avatar image on Instagram. It is from a product image on some gear site,

burlesque gear site or something. Or not even burlesque, but some set shop. I think Dita might be suing. You think Dita's suing? I think Dita was like, I don't know what this is and I will take legal action if I feel like I have to. I don't want my name in this at all. I think it makes her more iconic. First of all,

from the beginning, that episode was great. From the beginning of the season, this has been an A plus season all around. I might have to give this a rewatch. Well, you know what I did afterwards? I've watched it twice and I did watch the first episode of the season again.

Kudos to the editors because it is all there it is all there this season has rewatch value boots it is so good Meredith the girl with the

pearl earring could never over the still of Meredith with her hair in her mouth in anguish. People are trying to hurt us! I'm just so sick of people trying to hurt us! Also, Lisa... Oh my god, you're gonna cry! What? Oh my god.

Wait, what? What? I got your text. What's going on? I got your text. What's going on? Let's wait for Meredith. She's walking over honestly carrie miranda charlotte and samantha are so over it is about meredith lisa whitney and the legend heather gay i mean heather you really did something there you will be in the Hall of Fame for all time. Yeah, if there's a Hall of Fame for housewives,

Heather, you solidified it. You really did. And it's been not always smooth sailing for Heather on this show, but I feel like she freed herself. She freed herself, and you always root for her. You always root for Heather. No, she's the protagonist.

Heather Gay is the star of the show. Heather Gay is, you know, she's the star of the show. I don't know that there's a more satisfying reveal than she gave me a black eye and she knew she was

she knew what she was doing too. The black eye of it all. I mean, I think we were all saying right like that finale was pulling in threads from seasons one two three four it was it was avengers end game level storytelling where you're about to close all of these loops It does make me think what's next in a genuine way, but I'm not going to worry about that too much. Me neither. I'm just still applauding

that moment in television because I have not... And thank God I had people over that night because I was going to just maybe watch it alone. No, no. That needed to be a communal experience. I'm so happy it was. I just think that is spectacular TV making.

Just enough like Little Red Herrings too. Like the lead up in the dinner to the moment of the reveal, stupid. It is these women like faking the drama. You know what I mean? It is like, we don't really care what's going on. We just, we're stalling until like Heather finds the right

moment yeah and she did the moment is so beautiful of heather being like of heather asking monica before the reveal like well then how do you know that how did you like or like what was the question why do you think we believe you monica why do you think we believe oh my god why do you think we believe you and then she goes well i had the receipts, the timeline, the proof. And she goes, oh, so it wasn't about the truth. So it wasn't about the truth. Receipts!

Proof! Timeline! Screenshots! Fucking everything to prove you are a liar and a bully and a troll! I,

I mean... I was so grateful that night. Very grateful that night. That, I'm sorry, love to the Scandavol era of reality television. That moment was huge. I think you have

to give some accolade to what all of season four of Salt Lake City was. There has to be some award. It should be Emmy nominated. Bravo, if you're listening, NBC Universal, if you're listening, Comcast, start the campaign now. It will win.

The way they put all the chips on Vanderpump last year for the Emmys and then it paid off with the nomination. You must do this for Salt Lake City. And I'll tell you why Salt Lake City is also great. Because it was able with this storyline to double down on its Housewives subgenre, which is true crime. And I think it knows that. Really, there's five reasons why.

And I sent this to Bowen. This is how academic I'm being about this. Number five, we were able to move on, and the cast was able to move on. I understood the importance of moving on from old conflicts. Meredith versus Lisa was done. It was resolved in the first episode. Heather versus Whitney, it took a second longer, but it was resolved

quickly. The Jen Shah of it all, they, for all intents and purposes, had moved on until it had to be dealt with again. So that's number five, is they moved on. Number four, Angie was a way better housewife than anyone thought she was going to be. She's funny. I've never seen anyone really like her.

And she's unintentionally and intentionally watchable. She's been built up in a really nice way throughout the season. And never forget, we wouldn't have had Palm Springs or any of that Meredith, hooligans, without Angie Kay. So Angie Kay,

you got your snowflake back for next season. Really the house down. Watch out for LCCAs this year. Angie Kay might show up. She might be showing up in multiple categories. She might show up on Iconic 400. She might show up in person categories she might show up on iconic 400. i she might show up in person um number three the perfect amount of mary cosby agree i agree perfect amount of mary like we never

thought we're missing her and we never thought she's too much. Like, it was just the perfect amount. Even in this conversation, even in the current discourse about Reality Von Teese, like, I think the night before the finale, someone was with Mary

and they say, Mary, what are your thoughts about the finale? About what should we expect from the Salt Lake City finale? She says, pray for Monica.

Ooh, you guys should pray for, you guys better pray for Monica. And, I mean, she was... Even that is the perfect amount of mary cosby even that's the perfect amount of mary and i'm sure the reunion will give us the perfect amount and they should know that going forward mary never gets a snowflake again but invite her on the cast trips let her fucking do her 20 minutes sit in the van go get her fish fillet we need the color commentary number two they finally were able to go on like trips without worrying about jensha's fucking visa because she's a convicted felon and number one was fucking

monica monica gave that she was an antagonist that was for the ages and i say that also saying we do not need to see her again on this show. We're done. I agree. I don't know that she was an antagonist for the ages until the last episode. I think the entire season I was like, I don't know. I don't know if I care for her until you had to care. And then you were like, thank God. I feel like if you watch watch it again watch the first episode again you'll see it's all there it's literally in the first remember they did that

insane segment where they were yeah yeah they're quoting verses yeah lisa walks by monica on the street and she goes the devil lurks among us and it's mon Like, they've been telegraphing it from the beginning, but Monica low-key, like, again, did what Barry in Saltboard never could do, and actually manipulated them. And fly under the radar. She had them celebrating her birthday! Two days before!

My theory? Family was never in Bermuda. We have to get to the bottom of this. Well, you know what I want? I want a four episode. I want Bravo's version of like fucking any of these cult documentaries. Oh, oh, oh. I want Bravo's. I want a four episode limited series called Reality Vonties.

And it's Monica and all the people involved in Reality Vonties. Tanisha et al, Koa, all these people telling the truth. I want a true crime limited docuseries that's the Bravo version

of what we see for like the fucking, like the vow. You need to watch Mommy Dead and Dearest. You need to get up to speed on the Gypsy Rose Blanchard stuff. I'm happy you brought it up

because I have watched nothing else but Gypsy Rose Blanchard stuff. I'm happy you brought it up because I have watched nothing else but Gypsy Rose Blanchard content for the past three days. I am obsessed. First of all, can we say I think she specifically slayed on the view. She was really good on the view.

You two have watched everything she's done. I've watched everything she's done. And... I've never seen a crazier person. I'm going to go public. I don't think she'll mind me saying this Gypsy Rose no not Gypsy Rose you know who else is obsessed with her Ariana Grande goes

work bitch work yes and what else did she say yes and she was saying that Gypsy Rose like can have it all like Gypsy Rose can have it all. Like, Gypsy Rose, you have the world in the palm of your hand. Gypsy Rose on her Instagram being like,

hey, get ready with me for today. I was like, I can't believe this. She's like, my whole outfit is Zara. Okay, thanks. I think I look pretty cute. Okay, bye. This is a girl who is frozen in time Okay, thanks. I think I look pretty cute. Okay, bye. This is a girl who is

frozen in time in a way. Irrespective of prison, she has been fucking physiologically manipulated into being a certain way. This is like, poor things,

Year of the Doll, Barbie. This is like poor things, Year of the Doll, Barbie. This is like girl steps out into the real world. Wow, you're right. She is figuring this out and we cheer her on. She is saying all the right things in these interviews being like, I did a bad thing. I've done my time. Now I just want to live my life. And yes, I have an ebook coming out. Yes, I have a Lifetime series coming out watch it if you like but I'm not here to like fuck anything up but if people are interested in my story here's how you can find out more. Go

off Queen. We love you Gypsy Rose. I mean there's one more Swifty running the streets she wants to meet Taylor Swift I don't know if tree pain will allow it her favorite song being karma is an lol yeah it should be karma karma is her boyfriend slang in that d you see her post about how the d is good yes i'm obsessed

with this queen i think she's one of the great I think she's one of the great royals. She's one of the great royals. I mean, her boyfriend... Consider me her pawn. Karma was her boyfriend when Dee Dee got stabbed. Period. Porn Nick Godijan, a name I know. Did you watch Mommy, Dad, and Dearest?

Did you watch the documentary? No, not yet. So I've not watched that. But what I want to watch and what I probably will watch tonight... Is the act. Because ain't nothing on on Sunday nights anymore worth it well I want to watch the act because another wormhole I

fell down into is a Patricia Arquette wormhole I watched you ever watch those like YouTube clips I don't forget who it is but it's like it's like this is the timeline of my career yes yes yes she is a good one so Patricia Arquette has one that's good because she's got done so many interesting things she's really quite versatile as an actress.

Absolutely. Yeah, she's amazing. But I haven't watched it yet because there's like a new one, right? Now there's like Gypsy Rose like in my own words or some shit. Well, that's her Lifetime series. That's her as herself, I think.

Okay. I think it's like Gypsy Rose Confessions or something. Basically, all these things exist and they're all out there to be watched. But I've not yet watched Mommy, Dead, and Dearest. Mommy, Dead, and Dearest is really good because these motherfuckers at HBO paid for Disney clearance to play clips of Tangled

because that was her favorite Disney movie. And how poignant is that? To make a point about how she felt trapped, her mom was feeding her lies about the world like her life was tangled and she was like I wanted romance

to resolve this I wanted to meet a boy to save me Rapunzel's mom had Munchausen's by proxy it's actually

real culture number 50 Mother Gothel Mother Gothel had Munchausen's by proxy fucking diva diva Mother Gothel Mother Gothel had a month thousand sprite proxy fucking diva diva

Mother Gothel voice actress oh I'm gonna find it I'm gonna find it Donna Murphy Donna Murphy Donna Murphy Donna Murphy

is a fucking icon is a fucking legend and one of the most gorgeous people we have in the world she's amazing she's amazing

I love Donna Murphy before we get into I Don't Think So Honey I want your thoughts on the White lotus casting reveal i'm very excited very excited for leslie bibb as well leslie bibb is a phenomenal actor i'm so pumped for the randomness of this casting you know what i mean like it like, of course you never could guess, but I wouldn't have guessed. Even the Parker Posey of it all,

which is like the big pull, is so genius, but I wouldn't have guessed it. And I'm living for this Christopher Guest revolution in White Lotus. I said, Catherine O'Hara next.

Catherine O'Hara next. Parker Posey is going to be perfect in this world. She's going gonna be so good and I love that Natasha gets to be the sort of recurring thing

from prior seasons I can't wait you know the one piece of casting where I'm like I don't know it's just a little on the nose is I don't think anyone reads as more evil

than Jason Isaacs right and so I feel like I hope he's not playing an evil character because that's on the nose to me. Unfortunately, that's kind of what happens when you play Lucius Malfoy.

You're iconically evil. And you're British. It's kind of like, you're bad. So I kind of hope he doesn't play bad. But lots of great actors in this, truly. And Michelle Monaghan, who I hadn't thought about in a really long time. Yeah, this is going to be good good I'm just excited to see what

Mr. Mike White does with Asia and death I think those being the themes of this are really not the themes one being the setting and one being the theme is very cool if the theme was Asia how would you feel then?

I'd be like, okay. Okay. I trust you, Michael. I trust you, Michael. Very excited for Yes And. Just so you guys know, I had some readers, Katie's

publicist finalist on my Twitch stream and of course some of y'all were Arianators who, and this is my fault for spilling the beans, but one of them got me to say a little, blab a little bit too much. And egg on my. So I will not be doing,

I will not be revealing too much, but it's a gag. Everyone's going to love it. I will not be revealing too much besides I heard it and it's a gag. Well, no, that's already been established. I've already, I've already. No, I know. So for those of you who don't know, what Bowen is saying is that

he's heard the song. Let's just keep it there. He loves it. It's really good. I love it. I can't wait. And it'll be two days after this episode drops that everyone will hear it. Yes. Yes. Can't wait. So exciting. Should we move on to I Don't Think So, Honey? Let's move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. I think maybe

let's wait until next week to talk about Drag Race because then we'll have met all the queens. Yes. But so far, I like this first crop of queens. I had a lot of fun. I think that the top two of the week, which were Q and-

Saphira. Saphira are probably the ones to watch, but I'm also into Dawn a lot. Really into Dawn. I really am excited for this season. I thought I was kind of like in the lead up like, oh, sure, yeah,

drag race, whatever. Now that it's back, I'm like, oh, I miss this. I can't wait. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends.

How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo. or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13

to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life.

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all right so it might be time for i don't think so honey yes okay and this is our one minute segment where we go off on culture if you know you. This is the ninth season of Lost Culture East Us. Okay? This is the first episode of the ninth season of Lost Culture. Crazy. So, if you're joining us now, you're just in time to hear that. I don't think So Honey is our one-minute segment where we rant on something in culture. But if you know, you also

know. I have something. Let me get my phone. Let me get my phone real quick. Okay, darling. Dear. Can I say, it actually took me a second to realize a mandatory meeting was a mandatory meeting i don't know why it took me but when that one queen was like oh my god i just got it i was like wait me too and i just thought it was funny that her last name was meeting oh no have you seen the pit stop where trixie like has to take a break to laugh at how fucking amazing that name is?

It's one of the best names. Oh, wow. I have to check in on the pit stop again because Trixie's doing it. Okay, fine. Trixie's back. I had taken a break. A mandatory meeting is really good. And I loved your performance.

My kitty. My kitty. Where's my kitty? It's very Matt Rogers coded. Yeah, someone yelled at me across the party. She has your same voice. Well, it's very Matt Rogers coded yeah someone yelled at me across the party she has your same voice well it's very Matt used to Matt wrote this fever dream of a sketch

in Pop Roulette once where it's about this acting teacher who breaks into song who's frustrated with her new students do you not remember this I don't remember this you remember this it was an acting class and you were the teacher but you were a woman and you were like screaming at these students and then just for not being up to stand

to your high standards as an acting teacher and then you break into a musical number you remember this which is i can deal with all these hoes all these hoes all these hoes i can deal with all these hoes. All these hoes. All these hoes. I can deal with all these young actors. Okay, I remember this did not get staged, but now I remember. I brought it in, and I performed it in the meeting. Because it made no sense.

In the best way. I was like, it was my favorite. It's one of my favorite things you've ever done because it's complete chaos, and it's pure id. It's pure Matt Rodgers writing from a place of id and play and stupidity and I really think

you should do something with it. Maybe I'll do it as a character one of these days. But that is the same song that a mandatory meeting did. Where's my kitty? A mandatory meeting? We are kindred. We should collab. I'm ready. This is Matt Rodgers' I Don't Think So Honey's Time Starts Now. I'm ready. This is Matt Rogers.

I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Epstein list. Girl, just tell me who's a rapist and who isn't. Like, stop with the... If there's someone out there that needs to be feared and is harmful, just say who they are and what they've done.

Because now, like, people are like, oh, my God, did you hear so-and-so was on the Epstein list? Cate Blanchett is on the Epstein list. I'm like, yeah, but honey, what does that mean? Did she do anything wrong or was she mentioned in documents? Come to find out, yeah, it was about someone bragging about her, but now she has a pox on her name because she was on the Epstein list. I got people in the DMs today being like,

did you see Chrissy Teigen's on the Epstein list? I'm like, what are you talking about? Who is harmful and who isn't? Stop with this Epstein list. And this is what happens when you build something up and build something up and build something up and allow it to fester online. Now it's like something that it isn't. Like, chill out. Who's harmful? Who isn't? What's the information? What's the news? Not what's this blanket statement of, oh, they're on the Epstein list or rumored to be on the Epstein list. Also, what's the list? What's a rumor?

I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Thank you for speaking on that. It's just a consequence of the way that these documents are being released by the court. And so there's all but no, but I agree with you there is all this really crazy stupid love internet crazy stupid like internet fodder over it in a way that i think is actually kind of not dangerous but just like unwieldy it's like wait a minute yeah like because like i'm sure cape blanchett feels a certain way about this and it's like why the fuck am i catching a stray can you imagine her publicist being like hey you're

on the epstein list she's like what what what the fuck are you talking about yeah you were mentioned on the epstein list well what does that mean what's gonna happen and then like her name is literally next to like people who are like who've done i just don't understand what is the point of having a list of people that were mentioned you're you're grouping these people together like on the basis of what? Obviously, association with the name Epstein, which is incredibly damning and very dangerous. It's like, what is the point of this?

Can we just understand that we don't live in a climate anymore where you can just throw things out there like this and you can just say shit and that it's going to be funneled through a reliable system that doesn't operate in like such bad faith. It's like now it's like

we know that Leo is on the Epstein list. It's like, okay, is something wrong? I've kind of steered clear and I'm not saying that in a virtuous way. I'm just going like, I'm not bothering to look because I am maybe in the minority of people who like

understands it to be meaningless. But I do have fear over what it means for these people who have done nothing wrong and were just named by someone who like sailed past the island or something. Anyway, anyway. Bowen, do you have an I don't think so honey for today? I do. Well, good. This is Bowen Young's I Don't Think So Honey for today? I do. Well, good. This is Bowen Young's I Don't Think So Honey, and this time starts now.

I Don't Think So Honey. Let Dua Lipa go on vacation. I don't want you guys to all of a sudden be on your high horse now and be like, she's going on vacation too much. If you were her, I'm sure you would go on vacation too. She's catching a lot of flack for being,

it was reported that nine months out of the past 12, she's been on vacation to. She's catching a lot of flack for being, it was reported that nine months out of the past 12, she's been on vacation. So what? In Kosovo, in Tokyo, in Greece, in Albania,

in Barcelona, in Madrid. I'm like, she's a pop star. That's what she's supposed to do. 30 seconds. What do you want her to do? She writes a newsletter.

She hosts a podcast. She's good at all of those things. She works, okay. She has a book club. She's reading fucking Pachinko to the girls. She's just living her life. She is her own lifestyle brand without actually selling you something besides her music.

She just wants you to read her newsletter, which I read because she does have cute recommendations on there. And she's about to put out new music, so you're going to enjoy it. Also, her not doing Coachella because of her vacation schedule is not a good enough reason to be mad at her. Then that's one minute.

That's where it all started, is that she's not doing Coachella reportedly because she was on vacation. It conflicts with her vacation days in April. I say slay. I say no problem. It's called priorities. It's called she's saying,

this is what's important to me right now Coachella will be there I have confidence in the fact that my new work will be great they'll ask me again also Coachella is a huge undertaking it's easy for people that are like not the ones that have to do all that work and like

perform and operate at a very high standard to be like fuck her she's on vacation too much she doesn't want to do it it's okay like okay two things one she said catch me before i go so now she's on vacation houdini she said houdini and that's what they do they disappear she comes she goes so let her go be on vacation second thing actually i have three things to say second thing do you know why i want to be successful so i can be on vacation all the time that's two so if you have a problem with doing you have a problem with me and third i have never been more strong in my belief that what people need to do more than ever is mind their own fucking business

reality bounties their loser behavior mind your own fucking business the way lisa in that episode just the way she screams at Monica, such a fucking loser. She said that with her chest. And I said, absolutely. I said, I know that's right. We realized we're hosting a podcast where we talk about things and people. It's never prescriptive. And if it feels that way, it's hopefully usually 99% of the time in jest.

We're talking about movies and we're saying we liked certain things. We didn't like other things. That is all part of the consumer relationship with the artist where it doesn't belong to them. It belongs to everybody. Let me say something. This is our business. This is literally our business.

This podcast is our business. And also just like there's a difference between like, I'm going online and like, trashing someone for some stupid bullshit and like, having things to say and opinions on like, art. Girl, when can I pull the plug on the Twitter? Because I suspect that you... Can I? Yeah. I literally will tomorrow. Okay, it's gone.

Cut the Twitter. You know what I'm saying? It's gone. It's just gone. Because I know neither of us can trust ourselves. This is my other recommendation to you. Not sponsored. This is my end-all to you. I know you've really taken to end-all to help you fall asleep or relax

or focus. I've used an app lately, again, not an ad called Opal, which just locks you out of your apps for a designated period of time. And I found it immensely helpful. It locks me out of specific apps. And I am just like, well, I bricked my phone, essentially. Let me just sit through a movie without looking at my fucking screen, my other screen. And it's actually done wonders for my viewing experience where i'm like let me actually pay attention to what's happening because i decided to press play on this film yeah i think that it's just being conscious of balance too it's like what you're saying it's like you know there's going to be a certain designated period of time where I don't allow myself even the opportunity of this.

I am literally, and this is so top of the year resolution of me, but I'm reading. This is the book I'm reading. I've been wanting to read this. It's Down the Drain by Julia Fox. Oh, the Julia Fox book.

I love Julia Fox. This is a really good read. I'm about halfway through. And I just like filling your life with different things. You know what I'm saying? It's like not to be like it's giving 30s, but like not focused on things that you know.

It's a definition of insanity to return to things that and expect and they have a different result. I'm never going to have a positive result carrying on the way I'm carrying on. I have to do different things with my life. The reading books I'm saying, and this is not just the January speaking, it is the cure-all.

It will cure all of the ills within you if you read a book. I'm telling you, it's the best. I want that to be what we leave the readers with. Yes. We might have to start a book club. Maybe. Maybe. You know, we've a book club. Maybe. Maybe.

You know, we've done book club episodes in the past. To huge success. Massive successes. And I think WAI really happened in this episode. What was it again? Warmth, acceptance, inclusion. Warmth, acceptance, inclusion. Title of ep is Warmth, Acceptance, and Inclusion.

With Matt and Bowen it should be WAI parentheses warmth acceptance and inclusion I want the acronym to really hold

its own space WAI people whenever you go out and you feel challenged I want you to say this way way

way warmth acceptance and inclusion. Way. The way. Way. And it's also, it's a vocal warmup. You love that.

Let's do it together. One, two, three. The way. But you can work it into a sentence when you, I know you like to say the way the way this episode carried down we gave everything this is an auspicious beginning to 2024 i have good feelings about this year i'm ready to level up let's go bitch bitch. Year nine. Year nine. Come on. All right.

We're going to end. Why don't we do this? Why don't I guess what yes and is going to sound like? Okay. Go. Yes. And I love myself. Yes.

And I love you too. Yes. And this is kind of giving Taylor. It's not giving Ariana's. I'm sorry, Ariana. Don't worry. She's not listening to this. She might be.

She's busy. She got her album art to collect. Listen, we're staying in the same hotel. You are? Yeah. And she was like, I'll like just like sit on the side and just like agree. And I'm like, no, Ari.

She wanted to sit there while you record. She wanted me to go over and play Quiplash. And I was like, like sit on the side and just like agree. And I'm like, no, Ari, you're, she wanted to sit there while you record. She wanted me to go over and play quiplash. And I was like, I can't, I'm recording the pot at nine. Cause it's like 1 PM. And she was like, well,

I can just, you can just come over and then you can record from my bed. I was like, no, Ari, I have to be engaged with my girl. I have to look at my girl in the eye and this will not be your last coach debut. I think there will be opportunity in the future

for her to come on if she would like to. Eagerly await that. We eagerly await. We love you, Ari. We can't wait for the new work. All right.

Well, that's it. And we end every episode with a song. Yes. And I love how to go. Love myself. Bye, Sam.

Yes. I just hit my hand so hard on the desk. We got to go. Bye. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details,

and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy

Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace,

the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13

to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.