Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Washingtonian” (w/ Brandi Carlile)

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

Well, fishing season is upon us! And you know what that means; it's time for Brandi Carlile on Las Culturistas! But, honestly? Wow. The bonafide superstar and truly great artist joins Matt + Bowen to discuss discovering gay life and dating in Seattle, how shameless dramatic grunge and rock and roll influenced her sound and the fact that Grey's Anatomy really did change it all. Also, hanging out with Joni Mitchell while she rips into the pop girlies, queer culture intersecting with country music in the 90's in a huge way, and what Brandi thinks about what's happening in our seas, globally. All this, a condemnation of high-five dodgers, what it's like to date British and the time she was summoned to the table-side of one Mariah Carey to fix her bra strap. Stream Returning To Myself. See Come See Me In The Good Light. Attend Girls Just Wanna. LIVE Brandi Carlile. xoxoxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Las cultureistas. Ding-dong. Los Culturistas calling. We're quickly off to the races with our guest. I'm wearing my Higira hat. Yes. And just as a tribute

just for the Joni connection. And I've, gosh, it feels crazy to look across at our guest as if she's an old friend. Well, here's the thing I was thinking while last night I'm sort of like zoning in for the episode and like consuming, consuming, consuming. And I'm thinking potential most talented person

we've had in the chair. I don't think it's potential. No, I'm not kidding. Because I was actually texted our vocal coach, Doug Peck. about it. And I was like, can we talk about the voice of our guest? And he was like, well, the word is fearless. Well, this is fearless. Singing all your fucking songs in the original key! You're crazy! You are crazy. But we haven't even spoken. We haven't even breached that with our guests because we're too busy talking about going on vacation on a boat and going on vacation to the mouse house. And she's an expert at both. I just, I can't believe.

I got to tell this person. This is what I breached broached with her. Breached broached. Last song I listened to, and I've told you this probably a million times, I will remind you. Last song that was playing in the car, and I intentionally played it

before my mom dropped me off to the airport before I went to school in New York. Was it the story? It was not the story, but it was off the album. Cannonball. Ooh! So good. I will never forget being a 19-year-old singing,

all of these lines across my face. I'm 19. Tell you the story. And I'm just like sort of giving this like really like just world weary. Because of course, you know, Grazed Anatomy opened the door. Of course. Like millions of gays. Asara Ramirez, an underrated Sarah Ramirez.

Shout out to you. Shout out to Sarah. Okay, but anyway, I've told her guess this. Since then, she is inadvertently started the queer sort of commune that we will all be living in in a post-apocalyptic world. Yeah. She's building the mess hall. She's building the dining hall now. 11 Grammy Awards, two Emmy Awards,

an Oscar nomination. Don't forget about that one. Everyone, well, she's a fucking legend. Everyone welcome. This stunning talent. Brandy Carlisle. Hey. Hey, girl.

Hey, guys. We want to know, you said you're fresh from Disney. Yeah. What are the vibes? Oh, really good. Really good. Unbelievable. Because you do it with the guide and you sort of,

you get your dinner dining reservations ahead. Exactly. And then you just regress. You regress. Are the twins there? Are the twins there? Are the twins always the kids?

Always the kids. Nowadays. Yeah. Our mushroom days at Disney are over. But they did exist. They did exist. And they're fun when they last. Yeah.

Yeah. But did you hit up Universal as well? No. We do the California's great adventure. We hit that up. And then we do Disney. And I try to do Pirates of the Caribbean four or five times. And is that because there's so much to see?

This is nostalgic? I didn't go to Disneyland like till I was 21. 21 was my first trip as an adult with like my much older older girl friend. Much older. Much older. So she was like, I want to show you something. Exactly.

It's so predatory. She's like, I got to show you something you've never seen. Oh, God. Disneyland. Yeah, it's so predatory. Was it a lot of older women in the beginning? Oh, yeah. I mean, only.

Yeah. Only, yeah. This is what people don't realize. Yeah. See, Matt and I even come from. Did you ever do, were you ever a Craigslist guy? No, I never did Craigslist. Oh, can you tell me what that is?

Oh, so you did Craigslist, the sort of, the listings, the classifieds of the internet. Right. But for guys? There was a personal section. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Where it was M for M for M for F, F for F, T, T for F, T. T, F for T. T, M for T.

Like, what, like, it really was like a big tent for whatever, whatever you wanted. And it would be people there being like a non-guy. It was just where you went before the Grindr days. And it was like we were in a desert as queer people. It was a place of finding. It was a place of finding. Yeah. And so I feel like there was a long, there was a while where I felt like I was identifying

as like, well, I guess I'm just dating older men. Even though that never really, that didn't really come to pass. It was just like, well, it's just the people that I'm like gravitating towards are like the older. And what age were you when it was like that? Oh my God, like 19. Like, Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I would have considered it like a description of type for me.

Yeah. Really? Yeah, like almost like its own orientation. How much older? I mean, the one, like, at least 10 years. Yeah. But 15, awesome. And maybe anywhere under 20 would be like, between 15, 20 would be like really excellent.

Sure. Gosh, do we, is there a different, is there a different? is there a different math to it with lesbians? I'm not exactly sure. I think it's linked to like profession. Yeah. Really? Is that so? Yeah, yeah.

Well, like we were talking about boat captains or like police officers or like firefighters. It could just be me I'm talking about. But I remember going to the pride parades in Seattle like on Broadway in the 90s and just standing on the sidelines with these baby dikes just like losing my mind over like the cops when they would walk through. And authority figures. Sort of or just like, yeah. And they had to be just kind of like dikey and awesome and had like warm and evolved.

And you know what I mean? Well traveled. And it was just like, it was kind of a way to maybe finish getting raised in some ways. Yeah. They saw the old soul in you too. Yeah. I think so. Yeah.

Because when were you going into the city? When were you going to Seattle to like be with your fellow queers? As soon as I could. Like I didn't get a driver's license to really. quite late but I would get rides like to the city and I would go busk at Pike Place Market and then I would go and take my busking money up to like Broadway and you know sit in the outside of the gay bar where I could you know have like a mock tail yeah yeah you know and and just watch gay people like live their lives because I didn't meet a gay person until

after I came out of the closet I never knew one so then And this is such a naive question. So then like what is, what is your way of like knowledge with your, with your, with your, with your, with your, with your, with your, with your, with your, without a person there to, like, mirror that or like, or like, download something into you? I think it was a combination of, like, just a cultural recognition of gayness in, in music and film and television. And then also just, like, puberty kicking in and realizing I was thinking about kissing girls. Yeah. Yeah. Of course.

What am I saying? How did you know? The combination of both of those two things. No, but I think the interest element of it is like also we're just dying to talk to people about the things that we love. Even now. Yeah. That's kind of why we even have this. Yeah.

I love this for that. Thanks. It's like, it's like it's never hard to like talk to people about what they love. And that is, it's like when you're that age, you're just dying to be seen and what you've been talking. or what you've been feeling is like a niche thing. Yeah. You know? And then you can say the name of these artists and like you can say like whatever it is and

they have the discography as well. Yeah. And it's like, okay, my people. Yeah. And these little dog whistles and breadcrumbs and the whole thing. And then, you know, your friend group gets kind of based on that or built on that and becomes like your personality in a way. Yeah.

Yeah. That's how I felt. Seattle is such a great city. Like we went, we went, the first time we ever. went we did an I was like an I don't think so honey live show and the the space was um was it all ages it was an all ages venue and it was dry and it was like and it was like and it was it was we left the show which was bad and we were like Seattle no no no now that I've gone back I'm like Seattle rocks no every time I do my show there it's always the best show like I come back

every time being like Seattle has it. And I need to wipe my slate clean from, because I haven't been back to Seattle since. You must return. Since 2019. And the weather was bad. You know, it's always all these things.

And I was like, I need to go back and like really experience it. Well, Seattle is like the older lesbian. Yeah. She makes you earn it. You have to go back. Like,

we're almost Canadian in that way. Of course. We're not going to show you all of once. Yeah. You have to come back two or three times and then maybe, you know. Seattle doesn't trace you. No. No.

You chase Seattle. Seattle has, actually, that's a real culture number 10. Seattle doesn't chase you. You chase Seattle. But Seattle has actually given you so much when you think about it because not only this, not only all this like formative experience and culture and like your musical beginnings and so much, but also Seattle being the setting of Grey's Anatomy. Yes.

How many gay men and young women are like, I found you because of the story being on Gray's. All of them. Really? Everyone. That was how I did. Yeah. And it wasn't just the story. The story was like the fourth, third or fourth song.

Yeah, you were up in the soundtrack. Yeah. And even now, Gray's like, I feel like I'm alumni. Like when I see the cast, like when we're, it's like, this is a thing that happened. I'm so glad you guys realized this. Yeah. Because they would use your songs in all the promo. What was the album before the story?

Because it was like, it was like pre-story. I was like, oh, there's this like amazing singer, Brandy Carlisle. And then, yeah. And shit like blew up. Yeah, there was a few songs. And there were a couple of songs. I even went in and recorded just for Grace Anatomy. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they also, like, they were noted for having, like, the best soundtrack on television. Alec Pizz. Now she's the head of music at Netflix. Yeah. She was the music supervisor for Grace. And she was the music supervisor for the O.C.

Yeah. She just, she's cool as hell too. She's cool as fuck. Oh, she did the O.C. I was going to say that. I would have wanted to date her. Yeah. That's who I would have wanted to date.

She would have taken you to Disneyland. I think so. Many times as you wanted. Like at 20, not just 21. Do you know ER Fightmaster? No. So they were on Grey's Anatomy for years. They were playing like the first non-binary resident there for years.

And they're also a musician. Okay. No, that's a good connect. Okay, great. That's a good spiritual connection. That's a good spiritual connection. But I feel like this is, you sort of like still have this, even though I feel like you've always had this like grunge, like, quality to the music, I feel like, you never have to, like, claim it or,

like, sort of, like, brandish it too much because it's just, like, you are, like, a Washingtonian, and, like, it's like, I feel like... This is making me feel so good right now. Really? Yes. Washingtonian title of app. Washington. Just that you're, like, you're acknowledging or noticing that those elements of grunge and, like,

my city and just kind of, like, shameless, dramatic rock and roll that's. sort of like, covers under the surface of everything I do. Because it's under the surface. Because it's like, I would never, because would you ever say

that it's like been surface in like, in the albums? I mean, there are like a few times where it'll become overt. Yep. But it's always there.

There's always this kind of like, there's always this, I'm on the edge of saying fuck it all the time. Yeah. And my voice says, fuck it all the time. And it falls apart

and breaks apart in ways that I'm not ready for, I'm not prepared for, but like, that I'm willing to kind of tumble through that what's gonna happen mentality when I'm singing big. Yeah. And I don't ever want to like lose that. I don't want to learn how to control that part of it. Wow. I do a test like I think that's a Seattle, um, molecular Seattle

like infiltration into my singing. Where it's like, where it's like the music, like Seattle having its own like music row like Seattle having this like tradition as like a music town, um, kind of like is the hub for you to then be like, I'm going to go, I'm going to have this relationship with Dolly for country. Not like, not like, not like, not like, genre by genre, but like with Joni for folk and with like Elton for like rock, you know, it's like it all kind of, Seattle is the source for that for you. Yeah. It's like the lens through which I see all of them. Yeah. Too, you know what I mean? So, but all those things are are also definitely true. I'm having like really a lot of nostalgia in my mind right now because of the stuff you're saying. Well, this is what,

this thing that you're saying about your voice not necessarily being prepared of everything, but you singing big. Like one of the things I was talking to Doug our coach about was like, again, I'll say the fearlessness of your vocal. And to hear you say your voice is not always prepared for it, but you are singing big. You're such, you are just an instrument. And I feel like you sing like in fearless ways. And I guess what I mean by that is like those breaks in your vocals, like the ways that you approach.

vibrato in the ways that you really are an actor in your songs. Like there's so many elements of your music and even the songs that you cover, which are so gargantuan and there are such tasks. Is there anything that scares you vocally? And if so, like, what are those things? Because when you listen

to you, you're listening to someone without fear. As a listener. It all really scares me vocally. Really? Yeah, absolutely. Like, I'm always kind of like sipping on this perfect cocktail of paralyzing fear and like confidence and the belief that whatever happens is meant to happen. You would never know. And you write such difficult stuff for yourself. I know. What is my wife's day? She's like, you've created. I've rolled for your own back with that one, Brandy. You're going to have to hit that note for years. I know. Like, what have I tasked myself with again

for every show? But it's a choice that you're making because it's like, Marin was saying it's like, Like you are singing in the original key. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I will change that key if I need to. Okay. So you're not press that. No problem.

No. I mean, I want to go straight. I want to be Leonard Cohen and Johnny Cash like when I'm in my head. He's like I'll drop that. Yeah. But like right now it's the original key. And honestly, because I am not like living the same lifestyle I was when I was younger. It's actually easier for me to sing now than it ever was before.

So what is that? What have you cut out entirely? Oh, God. I mean, alcohol when I'm on tour. Yeah. when you're on tour. Yeah. And my like rules around eating and what I eat and when I eat and what I do.

And then I have a vocal coach like you guys do. It's a little different. It's a little different. It's like very unsexy. But like I become completely owned by my ability to hit the notes. Yeah. That is like I'm an athlete every night. I'm thinking of it that way.

And I don't know why I envision this. Like maybe you guys do this. I don't think the audience does what I think they do, which is. Just sit there and go, can she do it? Can she do it? That's what I think that they're all doing. It's not what they're all doing. Like they're like Olympic judges.

Kind of. Like that note was not clean. Yeah. But is it what you do? It is. Can we project that onto the audience? Oh, as audience members, is that where we're... Yes. Is that what you do?

I think, I mean, I'd rather it all be perfect. But I do... I think something that you probably now know from years of touring at the level that you do, which is they are there for the experience. They're not there in judgment. They're there in excitement. Yeah. And, you know, I've been playing.

I've been on the opposite coast of you every single time, but my best friend, Melissa and her husband, saw you at the Key Forum. And Michael had never seen you and never, like, wasn't familiar. But Melissa and her best friend, Taylor, were, like, huge fans. And so he got there and they said they were all sob. the entire time and then Michael Turner was like I love Brandy Carlyle. And then he wasn't familiar but then he became like such a diehard fan and your live

experience they said it was so clear that everyone was there almost in like pilgrimage and that it was the lesbian convention and that everyone was incredibly keyed in and respectful and everyone left in a very in a very tight formation and it was a real it was a beautiful It was processional. But that the experience of being there was like truly like everyone was there just

in excitement. So they were not like well she missed that one because it doesn't happen A. I know it well it doesn't. I know that what you're saying is true and I'm one day going to be able to fully let that end and stop believing that when I sing it's about to be scored by Olympic judges

and then I think when I do let that go that's when I'm going to do the real shit. Like that's when I'm going to take some real risks, you know, because I actually think it might be just a little bit repressive and something I'm, like, going to untangle before I'm 50. Before you're 50. Now, do you feel, does this sentence ring true to you? I perform, behave differently because I feel like I'm being watched.

Like that, like, the idea of being perceived is the thing that's like, yeah? Well, yeah. I mean, is it that way for you? As we've become public people, it's hard not to think that way. And it has like positives and negatives. Like you do something normal at home, something domestic. And you're like, oh, that was cute. I wish 10,000 people saw that.

Look how clean it all is. And then, you know, but then you have like normal everyday interpersonal mistakes. You know, like, you know, I'm a little bit too hard on one of my kids or something goes wrong. And then I feel like extra sort of. scolded by by people that aren't there. I see. But I feel like you've really done a,

you've made a beautiful thing happen for yourself. Not made it happen for yourself, but you have been surrounded by people. Like I think that's like a beautiful sort of like hallmark in the Brandy Carlisle story, which is like you are like, you're with the twins, you're with Catherine,

the kids are with you. Like you are not alone. Yeah. You know? And that I think is... Being alone is the worst. And you guys are talking about... I think you and Colbert were talking about this.

I feel like it's like... Being alone is fine until it's not. And I love it. I love it too much. My wife loves it too. So then how does this work for the two of you where it's like you don't like being alone, but she does? Ever?

No, what about you? Do you? No, I do need to be alone sometimes. Like, Fraser and I are a distance. And so it's like if I wasn't okay with that, that would be a horrible thing. Yeah. No, I feel like you, it's the key is like if you don't like to be alone, like I really don't like to be alone. Yeah.

Is that you, you kind of learn to be alone with someone. Like if you come over to my house, I'm not going to stop everything and host you. Of course. Like I'm going to let you in and show you where the refrigerator is. But whatever I was doing, I'm probably going to go back to doing it. You can join me. You can not join me. I want you there.

But I don't want to have to interact. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so like that. like that is just I've just kind of been able to hold on to that it's weird because the more people you put around you and the more intimacy you're able to sort of cultivate I think that like the more you can get away with that shit yeah and then you never have to be like hey just come in this there's the

fridge like what do you mean like that shit well I just think people conflate like I don't get to be alone with I don't get to do what I want oh yeah you're right you're right well being oh being alone with someone so being alone while someone else is there yeah is also a marker of true comfort with that person. Yeah. You know what I mean? If I'm ever feeling like I have to fill the silence a lot or entertain all the time, I'm like, well, this is supposed to be a person that's close to me in my

space. Like, I don't have to like be talking the whole time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, but it is, I don't know, for me, like, I sometimes think like, oh, silence means like, it's going bad. Yes. Silence is fallow. Totally. That's also because you guys, like, live in a city, like a major city. Do you think you're

always live in a major city, New York or L.A. He's heading out. No. You have designs? Where would you go? Because I do, I think that like being able to step in and out of show business and the music business is like a really kind of peaceful, a way for me to keep my sort of inner piece and compass pointed in the right direction. I'm not saying that you can't live in a major city and be in show business and not step out. But like, do you ever see yourself living outside of?

Sure. Like, I honestly, I'm like, I'm so jealous of you. Like, you're building a dining hall. Yeah. That's amazing. Literally. Right now. It's called the Commons.

Are you making a joke because I really am? No. No. Like, what phases it in? I'm tracking your, I'm tracking this so closely. We're tracking your dining hall construction. Where are you with it? It's actually going to be just, I just a little while ago got the text that we passed framing inspection.

So we can build walls. We can build walls. What are we thinking? What's the color? I want to do the color drenching thing. What's that? Maybe it's just like too much social media, but like I'm just so beyond the millennial gray thing. Like I want to go like all one bold color like a cobalt blue or a forest green.

I love that. Paint everything. Don't be afraid of a color. Don't be afraid of a color. I've got what it's called superior blue in my house. Where it's in the kitchen and then it's echoed in the primary. And the guest room is like a forest green. And so I feel like this is good.

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That's what I was going to ask. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are you going to go? I'm going to go to Ontario. He's got a plan. All right. It scares me. It could happen tonight.

That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. It's tonight. We're recording this on what's the day? April 7. April 7. Anyways. But like, he has a whole plan for when the grid goes down.

And the gays have started to talk about when the grid goes down. I feel like the lesbians have been talking about when the grid goes down for a very long time. Prepared. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's big prep. It's a big prep.

It's a preper. culture. Yeah. Yeah. I think lesbians are better preppers than gay guys. Oh, you want us. You want us.

Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Could you guys be rural gays? I would figure it out. I was looking at those shoes and I'm like, yes. No, he's sort of in a cosplay right now when that would suggest. I'm in a dorsiness.

That's cosplay. But I'm from a lineage of farmers. I'm from a lineage of farmers. I'm from a lineage of farmers, says Boen Yang. It's true. Yeah. I'm from a lineas of hair dressers and gym teachers. so we can look cute while we do the bio.

The vet diagram works with the gym teacher. Yeah. I mean, look, I got past the presidential fitness test back in the day. Ooh. I don't know if they do that anymore. I don't think they do. Not in the president's name. Who can climb a rope, though?

Oh, we were supposed to do that. Who can do that? So hard to do. God. Well, we had to do the sit and reach. Sit and reach was, that's an iconic one. The wall sit. Then there's the, the wall sit.

That wasn't part of the test, but that's a good one. We had to do pull-ups. Okay. Push-ups. crunches, the mile run, and there was one other thing. I don't remember it. I think there was five elements of it.

Maybe I just did five. Well, the rope climb. The rope climb. The rope climb is not something I'm familiar with. Oh, you guys didn't have to climb a rope. This is Washington. That's crazy town. Yeah, you could climb a rope.

And I couldn't even hang off the thing. No. I would just drop it. What are we getting at there? I don't know. What was even... Yeah, but all I ever wanted when I was younger was to be at a fancy enough high school

that had like the project adventure shit. You know what I mean? Like they would have all this shit that was like, you know, you could zip line and you could do that and this. And now it's like I watched the Survivor challenges and I'm like I couldn't get through 15 seconds of this. Like I could, but it wouldn't be fun. When I was younger, I was like,

I can't wait to be on Survivor one day. And now I'm like, that looks hard. Oh, hard. Do you ever watch that show Naked and Afraid? Yeah. Oh my God. I have watched every season of Naked and Afraid. You love that.

Would you do it? of it with my children, I would not be able to be naked and I wouldn't be afraid. But I could do alone, except for that I'd have to be alone. And they did have one season where they could pair you. Okay. Yeah. But I would definitely be pretty good in one of those situations for a little while. How's Catherine outdoors?

Do you know what? She's like a Londoner. Like I'm talking like... Do you know what? You do what? You do what I do. You spoke a little bit like your British partner. I do this.

It's happening. It's beautiful. I love it. We've been married 15 years now and I hear it all the time in myself, I'm like, what the fuck is that? No, but it's good. It's good.

It means you're listening. Eh. I always go to the word I can't get he hates when I do this but I go, whoa. He's like, that's not a thing. It's not a thing. He gets very phrase about it.

My wife always says, I can't, I can't, I can't. And I go, you can't, you can't. And she gets so annoyed with me when I do that. It's RP, is it received pronunciation? I mean... They also don't hear themselves end A

ending words in R like brar. Yeah. They can't say braw. They say bra. Broar. Bro. And I, you know,

they don't hear that R. You tell them they put an R on that. They just like flat out, no, the sky's not blue. Yeah. So interesting. I love every second of them speaking.

Oh, it's beautiful. I love it. It's so gorgeous. It really is. You guys ever like, fight? No, he doesn't raise his voice. Okay.

So what's her fighting style? Oh, God. She rips it. Oh my God. She's, yeah, she's absolutely. Fireball. Fireball. Oh my God, that girl will fight.

I mean, I have never fought so much in my life. Yeah. And I mean, I had brothers and sisters. I have like a brother that's like a year younger than me. That girl can fight and then just over it in a split second like it never happened. Wow. And now is that compartmentalizing or is that it actually is over? Just over.

Okay. Moves on quickly. I don't think gay guys can do that. I don't mean to generalize. with lesbians. I just think gay guys, they hold a fucking grudge. Oh.

No, there's grudge holding in the lesbian community. Come on. Let's go. I mean, I don't hold a grudge because I'm actually

so judgmental that I would judge myself for holding a grudge. Oh, gotcha. So what I do is worse than grudges. It's a very intense judging.

I wanted to ask you about being judgmental because in the song, Joni, you speak about how she laughs at all the pop stars. So do you and Joan

privately just rip the shit out of the pop girlies? Or do you love everyone? I'm asking privately and I'm not asking who. My late millennial feminism won't let me rip the shit out of any pop girlies. God bless you. I'll rip the shit off some pop guys with her. I love it. So do we. See, we actually are the same. Like the pop grilies

love them all. The pop boys look the fuck out on this podcast. Yeah, exactly fair game. Yeah, absolutely. And if she gets on them, I'm like, oh, Joan, they're really young. I mean, let's think this through, you know. But she gets on them. I mean, she doesn't, not. I love that, though.

If anyone's like full, if I'm a pop girlie, I want to hear Joni Mitchell drag me. Because she's seen old. She's dragged me. She drags me, like, all the time in front of my face. It's probably a term of endearment. Yeah. Oh, no, it's heaven. Yeah.

It's heaven. You, these, some of these, Joni, between Joni and Elton, they really do, they get on your ass. You didn't pick easy ones. Yeah. Yeah. Like you picked the, the icons of art. The most formidable and intimidating,

but soulful and just hear human beings. Like they're so here. Like they are so present. They do not play by the same rules we play by. And it's a powerful presence to be in. Let me tell you what. Wow. I loved,

because I finally, because I watched the doc, but like after the last time he came to SNL, I watched the 30-minute film of you and Andrew Watt. And now I'm writing together. I love. There was a Laura Niro song that you guys covered that I fucking love. Because people forgot about Laura Niro, I feel.

You would be a Laura Nero fan. I fucking love Laura Niro. Yes, you're such a sad gay. I'm a sad gay. I feel like sad gay is a thing. Like, it's becoming a thing. We talked about Girls Just Wanna. This last year, I saw more gay men at Girls Just Wana than I have ever seen.

We're sadder than ever. We're sadder than ever. Yeah. And I love it because, well, the taste in music is just off the charts. We're going to see them all at Ethel Cane this weekend. She's going on the same time as Sabrina Carverdice or no, we're not. Oh, that is, wait, can I say, that might be my, I don't think so honey at the end of this episode is the Coachella said times have come out and we're going this weekend. I can't believe what they're making people choose between.

Twigs and Lefe? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why should people have to choose? Oh, no. That got. very high pitched. I haven't even warmed up. You're looking at two countertenors.

I am not a countertenor. Well, the joke's on you. Because you are. Wait, we're just inviting ourselves to Girls Suswanda. You don't have to put us... It's your hosting vibe. We promise to be sad. If you come to Girls Suswana with me next year,

you will be like my guests of honor. We will have such a good time and we will sing. On Night of the Living 90s would come up with 190 song. It can be as sad or as gay as we want. Yes, we'll do it. Oh, yeah. We're like Meredith Brooks. We're talking.

Oh. You know, some Lilith Fair a moment. Yep. This is what we needed back and you knew it. Yeah. You knew it. Yeah. Because, you know, so I'm of the experience of my parents did not let me watch MTV.

Okay. So VH1 defined me and they were the ones in the late 90s giving all the love to Lilith Fair. Like my idea of sexuality is not like, you know, Christina Aguilera like writhing on the ground. Like I appreciate. that but like my idea of sexuality is like Shania Twain walking on the beach. Oh yeah. While like like someone strummed a guitar and that was then Lilith Fair and it was like all like it was like oh my god like you said like Meredith Brooks and like McLaughlin and like Natalie and Brulia at that time like you know God there was also another one oh my god. No Natalie Merchant oh yeah oh yeah like this opened the door. Yeah. So it's that, if it's, that's sad gay. That is a sad gay.

Sad gay and training. You don't have to be sad, but that being your like, you know, proclivity, that is you. Yep. Being a sad gay. And you are, you welcome them with open arms to girls just want to. Oh yeah, because it's made for you. Yeah.

Oh. The Mexico's such like a, like a fun, lively place. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It's like, it's, that's what, that's what the sad gays do. And by the way, a straight person can be a sad gay. It's like, it is like mixing like, unabashed, shameless expression, you know, of emotion, unguarded,

with just, like, lightheartedness and overused word, but joy. Yes. Just arms up over your head, dancing under the stars and screaming and yelling like, there's no tomorrow. And then being able to, like, listen to a Jewel song from, you know, 1994. Oh, God. Laying on your bedroom floor, just crying to everybody hurts by R.E.M. Oh, my God.

Thank God. Yeah. By the way, Jewel. Just by the way, Jule. Just by the way, Jewel. Like Foolish Games, that's my karaoke song. I need to be a girl's just want to. You guys should sing Foolish games together.

Me and Jewel or me and Matt? You and Matt. Yeah, I think me and Matt, too. I think that would be really amazing. But you were meant for me. I remember like, I chemically altered. I loved Jules. It was the pause before the, I was meant for you.

It's the pause before the last word. And there's also like, she had She had released the album and then the single versions. Like there's a different version of you are meant for me and there's a different version of foolish games. They would do that back then. Back then there was like three versions of everything.

When I listened to it now, she has so many voices. Like, and there was such an emotional voice. So many voices. But when I think when she goes into the bit where she's like, um, I'm like, how did she not lose this? Like, but it's like, I felt the emotion from that.

Yeah. But it like for some reason it goes into something where it sounds like it could almost be parody and then is working. Yes. That's fearless singing. Yeah. Well, I think she literally replaced her voice. That must have been what it was. Because it's, ah, and then

it's so different. There's some Shakira in there. Yeah. That may be the origins of the yawn, you know? That was the yawn, that's the Shakira yawn. Yeah. Is that what you're referring to? I mean, there's like a yawn, you know, the

What's the general yawn? The yawn. No. No, I'm a grown woman. That's for the little pop girls to do. Yeah. What are your thoughts on cursive singing? Oh, that's the other thing. That's really good.

My thoughts are, where did it start? What started it? I can't find it. Like, I can find the origins of all kinds of singing that I turned into a thing, right? And then the originator of that singing doesn't bother me. whereas the ripple effect of it does. Of course. But I can't find the origins of that.

I'm talking early 2000s is when I first started hearing. Yeah. Instead of love live. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm also trying to find it, but it is. It took over.

Yeah, it took over. Yeah. And it became a thing. Like, no one can say birds. Everybody says bites. Bites. Bites. Yeah.

My thing, my pet peeve, and look, some of our favorites do this, is just saying the word, God damn, to like fill in the, to, like, fill in the, the scantion and the syllables. I think I've done that. I think I've done that. I think it's fine. I just think it's been popular.

I never, I never like. I can't remember where, but I'm sure I did. No, I did it. I remember now. It's on the album. What album is it on? God damn liar, I say. Could have said anything, but I said goddamn.

Do you agree though? Is God damn a placeholder or do you stand tent toast town and your use of God damn? I don't know. I think it's like vacation Bible school, Sunday school, Awana's language for like the worst thing you can say. So as soon as we get punk rock, we put it into anything we can. But that's probably just a 90s baby thing. I don't know.

Is it not? God damn is like the worst thing you can say. God damn is it was a good thing. Yeah, no, we cannot say. What words could you not say? Okay, so when I was really young, it was weird things like dang and heck. You were not permitted to say dang and heck? No, it was weird.

It's totally weird because like my parents are not strict people at all. In fact, I'm very free-range human being. But like, for a minute there, when I was like really young, there were like, you couldn't say you didn't like something you had to say you didn't care for it you couldn't say dang you couldn't say heck you couldn't say shoot anything that was like remniscent of a curse and it was this weird odd face so sucks was off the table off the table yeah no but now that i have kids you know i wince when they say dang and heck and i'm like keep your mouth shut that's some dysfunctional shit you do not need to carry forward interesting that it's still let them say dang and heck yes for god's sake

if your parents were playing a prank on you huh do you think your parents are playing a prank on you yeah because right now I cannot imagine my parents having a rule of any kind. Oh, good. Yeah. Because they're just like, I'll just let the kids say what they want. I don't know what that was. That was some weird, like, that was some weird, you know, 1984, how Lindsay late Great Planet Earth, Heaven's Gate cult, religious movement that happened in the late 80s and early 90s and led the people of my parents generation to go fucking nuts.

Yes. And we're seeing the repercussions of it. We sure are. Yeah. Well, it's interestingly you just mentioned entering into the 90s because we are now at the point of the show where we ask you about your culture, your formative culture. So Brandy Carlisle, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Well, there were so many things. I feel like I had such a rich era to sort of come of age in.

I was born in 1981. So in 1990. 92, 93, country music sort of got big. Bootscote and Bootscote and Boogie came out. Yeah. Okay, and while country music is getting big, there is a lot happening in gay culture. Tom Hanks and Philadelphia films, we heard the Indigo Girls the first time in that soundtrack. Right.

You add Katie Lang and Cindy Crawford on the cover of Vanity Fair, and Katie Lang's getting their face shaved by Cindy Crawford is like one of the sexiest gender bending photos. of the 90s. And then Katie Lang crosses over into country music because she was a country music singer, like an opera queen, Lawrence Welk show. Yeah. You know, big-boned gal from southern Alberta. Just couldn't call her small.

You know, she was like, she was the queen in that sense, you know, for me. And so there's this intersection happening between queer culture and country music. You know, Melissa Etheridge comes out with, yes I am. what else was going on. I mean, everybody says that, you know, the Ellen DeGeneres coming out moment in 1997 was monumental, but there was even stuff before that. It was happening in TV.

But nothing as important as Ellen coming out. But you guys remember the audacity of the Roseanne kiss? Oh, absolutely. I mean, at least it was a wild thing. Right, yeah. There was all this controversy around like Roseanne Barr getting kissed on her show. So all this queer stuff was happening in between 1993 and 1996. while country music was coming up.

And then country music did this weird thing. It got queer. And I'm not even sure that the mainstream, like the rest of the world, knew it. But they weren't clocking. We were dressing like cowboys. All of our gay bars turned into get names like Timberline and, you know, the trucker and tracks.

And next thing, you know, there's all these gay people line dancing. Yep. To this day. To this very day. Well, it had like a boom again. Stuntry. and stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I feel like between the era of like 1993 and 1997

was the birth of the rural queer. Yes. And so that is a formative moment in my life. Amazing answer. That to seemingly diametrically opposed things can coexist. And that's like the queerest thing possible. Yeah, exactly. Intersecting these things that no one would ever think to bring together and then that paves the way for

Brokeback Mountain and for and then inevitably exactly it led to Brokeback Mountain in the early 2000s Was boys don't cry? I mean I don't know if you would call that like country Necessible there's something rural about it there's something like it was right in that moment It challenged people's sensibility There was also there were a lot of things that came out during that time that were really important Boys on the Side came out through Barrymore and Whoopi Goldberg Wow And

Mary Louise Marr Lewis was in that too And then Oh my God Was that so Elward time? It was just before it was queer as folk Oh queer as folk

Yeah Elwood came after that But the bird cage with Nathan Lane Oh huge I still That is the movie I put on If I need to like Have a laugh

So wild to know that he remained closeted publicly through even the promotion of that movie. I didn't even know this. Yeah, well, it was like he would go out for interviews alongside Robin and they would ask uncomfortable questions. Oprah asked him. Oprah asked Nathan Lane, like, so, like,

just, I forget what she asked specific, but Robin Williams, like, gets in there. And the most respectful way to all involved is just like, that's just, like, not, you know, we're just here portraying. Like, we just had so much fun portraying this couple, like, let's, I mean, it's incredible. And lightened the atmosphere and made jokes out of it like he would

to, like, you know, steer away. from what was completely uncharted terrain. It's just so funny to think about how maximalist country music was at that time, too. Well, we had so many divas. That's the other thing, too, is like, there was like, we had your bet share, you know, your betshare pop moment. And then we had your, we had your, we had Reba and we have Wynonna Judd, by the way, Winona Judd. Yeah, everything.

Yeah, exactly. And so we definitely had these kind of country divas, which, like, Lettishinae Twain. Yes. You know? Another Canadian legend. Another Canadian legend. And also, you know, like, I just remember, like, oh, God, one of the best ever is, um, does he love

you? Oh, my God. Love that shit. Does he think of you when he's holding me. He whispered. Does he whisper? Oh, so good. That music video.

Oh, those love. No, that's what I mean. Like that gay ass song Like that you know every drag queen Is trying to get their other drag queen to do it with them But it's like what is this? Like you got if you know you know you know And that's what I'm talking about

That is the culture That is the cultural moment that most impacted me Because it created a different kind Of thinking Of expressing yourself Have you connected with Kelly Clarkson about this? We never talked about it But every time I love her.

I feel like you guys are right there. Oh, are we? Yes. And I also feel like you guys are family in terms of your vocal. It's not just a gay thing. You're right. You're really like I feel like when I listen to her, I listen. I feel like there's like you guys sing from a similar.

She can really sing. Yeah. I mean, that girl. She's a freak. She is an actual freak. Her mix, like her ability to be up and she doesn't actually have a head voice. Like it goes all the way to the top. She's crazy.

where her head voice would be. And there's no break in it. And it's incredible what she can do, how she can control it. She's steady too. I bring her up because. I sang with them one thing. Oh, gosh. And send it to you.

Just the, please. The best ever because she had like, again, like I was like 11 when Kelly was on American Idol. And American Idol exposed me so much to the other genres of music. Yeah. I think it did for so many kids that age. And she sang, does he love you with her idol, Reba McIntyre. on American Idol years ago. After she had won, they did like a special.

And it was like, now Kelly's going to sing with her idol. And it was Reba McIntyre and they sang, Does He Love You? And Reba did her part. And, you know, like, it was just so great. And so hearing you talk about them, I just wondered. Oh, I'm going to tell you something so much fun then. Here's a little bit of inside ball for you about even MacIntyre and Kelly Clarkson.

So I went to the wedding of Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert. Wow. I sang them down the aisle with the story. story. Another era. Yeah, back in the day. Not everybody knows this. And they had a party at the end like you would expect. And there was karaoke. And everybody was like getting drunk and singing karaoke. And Kelly Clarkson was there and Reuben McIntyre was there. And they started singing together. And then they just like didn't get off the stage. Well, that's fine. The party was over and we had to take these like shuttle buses to, you know, back to the hotel. And I remember the whole shuttle bus was waiting for Reuben McIntyre. And I could hear her singing fancy. from the bus, singing her own songs on stage karaokeing with Kelly Clarkson doing harmonies. And I was like, these bitches are everything everybody hopes they are

and no one knows. But now you know it's so good. They're so rap. Also Kelly's cover of Fancy at the Kennedy Center, forget it. I remember it all very well looking back, it was this I'm a return date. You gotta do it! I know every word. Have you have this been recorded you singing Fancy?

I get drunk and sing this all the time. Yes! But not when you're All the time. And I don't even look at the screen, I don't even glance at it. I know it so well. You know it in your bone. Yes.

That's one of the best songs ever. Ever. It's so dark. And Bobby Gentry, that's the night lights went out in Georgia. Same thing. All that, that whole, she was going to, no one knows where she is, by the way, Bobby Gentry. What?

Yeah. Do you not know that? She missing? She's totally missing. She just went, poof, and, like, disappeared. And people have said that they found her, and, like, no one knows where she is. Oh, my God.

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party, Joel Kim, Booster's bachelor party. And we were going to go on a swamp tour. And we thought, do we go the extra hour out of our way to get Lana Del Rey's husband to give us a swamp tour. Yes, yes, we did not. We did it, but we should have. We really should have. I know.

Is a swamp tour your vibe or no? That's just a bridge too far. Oh, I've done several swamp tours. Yeah, I was going to say you'd love it. But Pacific Northwest is nice where it's like the humidity is not oppressive. No, no, the northwest is beautiful. But when you go down to Louisiana, you got to do swamper. You've got to get on the swamp tour.

Yeah, yeah. So I loved it. Me too. It was pouring too, but it was kind of good. Yeah, that's ironic. The way they, the crocodiles, crocodiles. The way the alligators. come up like dogs?

Yeah. So sweet. Because they're like, it's time to eat. And they just go, it was freakish. I couldn't believe a dinosaur was on the boat.

Yeah. But they were so endearing. No, they were great. Well, and you see them and like the primitive, like, the primitive, like, part of you know is that they're prehistoric in a way and you just like, you know

you're witnessing something really interesting. People to live down there, they're just like fish to them. No, my favorite was, our boat captain was like, someone asked so how long have you been friends with this alligator and he goes

oh we're not friends he will be my finger off and then shows us his pinky with one false move he would get me he would get me they don't know he'll be my pinkerall and then we were like oh my god it was they are these are

these people are incredible his name was Kelly Kelly I'm Kelly I'm Kelly I'm Kenny Kevin Kelly you would get me like he is one of my family members. Yeah.

That feels like that. He fell family to us by the end. Yeah. He was surprisingly accepting of our homosexuality, I feel. Oh, we were gay guys. We were gay guys on that boat. Okay. And he was very sweet.

Did you play it up for him too? It wasn't played. I didn't need to be. Like when a, again, I almost said crocodile. When an alligator hops on the boat, gay guys are going to scream. That's a little culture number six. When an alligator hops on the boat,

gay guys are going to scream. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That would be... Well, he knew the first time you said crocodile. He knew right then. It's a funner word to say. No, alligators just doesn't, not a good, not a good cat. Crocodile is the gay alligator, and that's a little culture number nine.

Crocodile is the gay alligator. It's just crocodiles live in a different part of the world. That's right. Now, do you get, like, I'm going to say the word, fussy about wildlife identification? Because I feel like, since you're a fisherman, you can, of course you have to be like, well, that's a cod and that's this and that's a that. I'm like, it's all fish. It's all in the water So are you offended?

Are you offended? Fundamentally. I'm fundamentally offended. Not about the crocodile thing, but when you say it's all fish, it's like, that's crazy. That is a diverse spectrum of sea life. Walk us through, because it's not my culture yet. Walk us through the ocean. But watching you pull up these fish, it's incredible.

I, fishing season starts today. And yes, this is my spiritual hall. Pains you that you're in New York City. And I have my RV is running at home. I will be in that RV the minute I land and I'll be headed out to the Straits of Onifuka to go and catch ling cod and rockfish. So there are entire seasons around these species. And they can live, you know, the fish I'm talking about live in 20 to 60 feet of water.

Like by July, I'll be out in thousands of feet of water fishing for halibut on, you know, underwater plateaus of 500 feet with electric reels. And then it's going to be spot prawn season and I'll be dropping, you know, spot prawn cages 400 feet down and catching like 9-inch pras. Yeah, yeah. And then it'll be Dungeoness Crab. Oh, I love Dungeoning's Crab, the best crab.

Yeah, so this is what we do. Come up to the Pacific. I used to work at a crab restaurant. Okay. And Dungeoness Crab by far the best from the Northwest. I didn't know we had that intersection. And a Cummoto Oster. Cumamoto Oyster.

A. Camamoto oyster. Is that a. Is it a PNW? Well, it's originally it would be in Japan, but we farm them and we have them around and Pencove. They share, of course, some spots. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's conducive. You were, sorry, you were in the zone. You were, you're talking electric cages, electric, no. Oh, yeah. There's, I'm wrapped. Yeah, well, there are so many different seasons and so many different fish and ways to catch them

and places to go. And then all the things that happen around that little ritual, like, oh, you know, it's halibut season. We're going to go out here and we're going to get halibut. But when you're out there, that's when you see the orcas. Or that's just off the Olympic Mountains enough to where you've got this beautiful mountain view all the time. But you have to take drama mean because you're in the swells. So everything has little details associated with it. And that's why fishing is like such an immersive culture that you get into.

And you just like you speak to people on the dock in a series of grunts instead of words. and everybody gets called captain and nobody's a singer or, you know, it's like, it's an... Everyone's on the same level on the open seas. Everybody's in the same level on the open seas. You ever come face to face with a great white? No, we don't really do the shark thing out there. I hope not. We know, we see a lot of orcas.

See, and they're just as dangerous. They are scary. They are. But they're beautiful. They're so beautiful. You've got sea lions out there. Oh, yeah. They're huge, huge fat.

I love them. They're amazing. I like they just flop everywhere. I agree. They just like slug into the water. What say you about that phenomenon that was happening with the orca whales a couple years ago where they started to sort of strike back? Yeah, they're doing that in Europe. It's, I do not know what to say about that. My suspicion is that there are many things called orca whales. Okay. And that these are totally different critters than what we see up in the P&W. But so that's what I tell myself when I'm offshore in my own boat. But we have not seen a single aggressive tactic from an arc of whale West ever.

I should hope not. Yeah. So you love this culture because it is completely outside of what you do professionally, let's say. I think so. And that is refreshing. And so therefore it would be just a complete adulteration of the beauty of fishing if you were to like write music about it. Like if you if you were like is there a fishing album in the future? I think if you, if Brandy Carlisle came out with like a yacht rock fishing album.

album, wow. I could do that. Yes, you could. I could do it. I did sing. I'm going to do it first. He's like trademarking anything that it could be my fishing album idea. No, I think it would.

I want fishing to come into my job in a different way, I think. I've been thinking about it about what I could do to make fishing a part of my job. A barge concert. A barge concert. Well, it's on Jimmy Buffett. Oh, my God. God, I loved Jimmy Buffett. We're from a Piratehead family.

Oh, my God. So me, I got to be friends with Jimmy Buffett toward the end of his life. That rocks. And I sang at his memorial. Oh, you did? Come Monday, yeah. Oh, you said, come Monday? I did.

Oh, God. And before Jimmy died, I could text him from anywhere in the world and I could say, hey, I'm in, you know, I'm off of St. John and I want to go northwest and I want to get some tuna. What do I do? He would know. And he'd go, go to better early tomorrow morning. I got my guy coming to pick you up and there'd be somebody to take me on a boat from like sent by Jimmy Buffett.

Or I was sent in boats by Jimmy Buffett to catch fish so many freaking times and he couldn't even come to because he was doing concerts or on the road. Yeah, always. But he just wants other people to be able to fish. Wow. Yeah. And then I would get like phone calls and texts from like random lesbians and they'd be like, I hope you don't mind.

We got your phone number from Jimmy Buffet. And it's like that's how he would make friends with random lesbians. like on the water he'd like meet like a lesbian couple like unloading their boat and he'd be like you all know brandy carlisle yeah just like if there's lesbians I love it y'all was the brain he was put in the gospel yeah oh man that's beautiful I loved jimmy buffett and I love love his wife jane yeah yeah I just like he was a fixture in my life growing up and my dad was such a parrot head that we I don't think he knew this was happening but he collected parrots to the point where our whole room was just a parrot room.

And I would friends come up. In honor of Jimmy Bucket. You saw it, right? I saw it. It was, I mean, there was so many parrots everywhere. And then I think he's, I think he was like, maybe I have to take some parrots down because Matthew keeps breaking his friends home and they laugh at the room. No, it's not that we, no, we didn't laugh.

It was just a lot of parrots. Yeah. It was just, it was just shrine to Jimmy. Yeah. It was amazing. He's a way of life. Did his family get you into Jimmy Buffett, too? I know any songs?

I don't know too many Jimmy Buffett songs. I love, I love, I love a Margaritaville. You love Marguerdole, but I'm talking about the deep cuts. The deep cut. He's kind of like Kenny Rogers in that way. He has like all this other stuff. It's like folk music that's just, that's kind of really take you by surprise. But he didn't worry about telling it how it was in a song.

Kind of like Willie Nelson. Yeah. But when even as someone who does, uh, know where he's going to go when the volcano blows. Still doesn't know. It's so good. He did not take himself too seriously. No, I love that. I love that.

I feel like we're missing. Well, you know, that's actually kind of not. true that got high again i was going to say why am like and now i'm warming up around you um no but i feel like i do like in lyrics that's it's why i like sabrina carpenter so much i love because she just will fucking and charlie does this too it's like you can tell they were just having fun and following the fun lyrically uh-huh and i think that's what gets people singing your songs forever like i'm working late because i'm a singer sounds like a jimmy buffett lyric i it does you know what i mean are you guys into Seamat yet?

I'm going to see mat. She's opening for you. Because I'm upset. I mean, I watch everything that that band does. I think she is such a star. Yeah. She's gonna be Coachella. We have her for like five seconds and then she will be untouchable to all of us.

Isn't that a great feeling though? Yeah, because I really don't think anything can stop her. I think she's a once every 500 year's star. It's unlike anything I've heard. Well, it's, I haven't heard anything like her Euro country album like in so long. No. And just. Yeah, at Coachella.

And then Jensen McCrae's opening for you. We love Jensen McCrae. Oh, man, you want to talk about lyrics. Lethal. Lericist. Leithful lyricist. So good. We had her perform Massachusetts on the Culture Awards last year.

We gave it a record of the year nom. I literally got in her DMs. I was like, hi, I'm a huge. Can you perform her in the show? She came. Her brother accompanied her. She looked absolutely beautiful. Performed it's so amazing.

She's got four voices in one voice like Jewel, too. She really does. Yes. She's fat. We did a song together, actually. Oh, really? Yeah. God has a hitman.

It's really great song. Yeah. Also, we cover, Dear Mr. President. Yes, I remember that from Pink. Yeah. Yeah, Pink and the Indigo Girls. Yeah, she's always a girl just wanted.

You guys, you got to be there. No, we're coming. We're definitely coming. Oh, that's going to be a moment of time. But then you're going to be, you're not going to be drinking. Oh, no, no, I did that. That's the trailer. Yeah, we throw it out the window there.

The girls just want to drink. By the end of the end of the. I'm so red and bloated. The tequila fully has permeated my being at that point. Because we're in Mexico, is it? It's Playa de Carmen. Oh, fab.

It's so fab. It's so good. And everybody there is like, it's just really, it's such a free place. Like, I can't tell you. It's like everybody there is getting a break from something

that holds them back at home. Whether it's like body consciousness or a lack of, safety or acceptance or there is something that everybody is going to get a temporary break from at that weekend and then they're going to recharge their batteries and they're going to go home and get to work but it's that kind of an environment that's what it's for we don't ignore what's wrong with anything or anyone but it's not a place to feel self-conscious or inhibited and so it makes it really wild it's a cathartic community experience it is yeah and it's wild like i'm not going to say

it's not wild. We go crazy. But then somebody said about it, but it's the kind of place where if you lose your child, they're going to come back to you fed with sunscreen on. More educated. Yeah. With the better sense of the world. I'm having a kid just so I can lose them. Girls just want to.

That's amazing. That's a really good T-shirt idea. When I was 17, I was at Louis Fair, which was in 1997. And I was just a little punk-ass baby dyke with, you know, an inch and half of bleach blonde hair. Now I have about three inches. And I had like a big bucket of Mountain Dew and I was like going back up to my like the the Mountain Dew hut to like get my free refill of Mountain Dew. And this like some lesbian standing behind in line behind me and she sees my sunburned shoulders and she's like, what are you getting? And I was like, I'm getting my

Mountain Dew refill. And she's like, no, you need to drink some water. And I was like, I was like, well that's expensive. The refill's free or whatever. And she's like, I'm going to get you some water and just hold still I need to get some sunscreen on these shoulders and I mean that was my experience of Lou Thera I thought I was being so punk rock and to go to that festival without my parents and you dated her for 19 years yeah we actually got married kind of exactly well yeah I mean we'll be there we got to go we have to catch the vibe that girls just want to yeah I mean this has to be because you know Colchella's gonna make it difficult to see everyone.

It's actually time. It might be time. It might be time to do I don't think so honey. Because I'm hot on this now. Maybe you guys have one more year of being Coachella Gays. And after that. I know. You're right.

You got another decade. You got another decade. I see that's the thing too. It's like I love. I love what I love about it is that you see everyone. Like I loved a couple years ago Debbie Harry was playing Coachella. And I was like it was clear that like so many people were there just to see Debbie. Yeah.

And I loved that about it. I was like, All you really need is to follow the one artist. And you could sort of see them. Yeah. And what I also loved is like every year without fail, I don't know why I can't speak to me. Lilith Fair, yeah. Every year without fail, I end up discovering someone who's huge two years later.

Like two years ago, we were walking and it was the Gobi Ten and I was just like, I like what I'm hearing over here. And it was Olivia Dean. Oh. Mm-hmm. And now she's like truly international. Johnny loves her. Really? That's great.

What a huge vote of confidence. Yeah. And like she doesn't write an essay on it. She just saw her saying and was like, that's great. Yeah. Wow. What do you think it is that gets her, is like the thoughtful singing? Is it the lyrics?

What pings Jonah? I wish I knew. You don't know. I don't know. Like there's just certain things. Like even, you know, I watched the old Grammys with our sat next door, you know, which is harrowing. A ride.

Because you're like, he wears the camera. And there were only just, there was a. few things where she was like, wow. And Olivia was one of them. I love that. Yeah, I love it too. So I actually never know. I think it's like some kind of a weird light detector test she has for authenticity or something like that. Yeah. Which is what I hope it is. You know, and I think that's pretty powerful. Yeah. And like at the risk of sounding like horribly agist, it's like, well, that's proof that like her like her meter is like very attuned. It's like she still like can watch something, receive it and be like, that's, that's.

good, that's unremarkable, whatever. And she's beholden to nothing. She's not beholden to my opinion of her opinion. You know, it's just whatever she thinks. I will say she is upset. I'm not going to say obsessed because that's beneath Joni to say that word, but she really loves Bruno Mars. Of course she is.

Absolutely loves Bruno Mars. He's a talent. He's a talent. Until Bruno Mars had played and was just like, you know, it's not like Joni can just stand up, but she was like, I'm standing up. Yeah, spiritually, I'm dancing to Appa T. Yeah.

Yeah. She loves it. That's her favorite Bruno song is ApoTah. Well, she likes the silk sonic stuff. It's so good. It's all the time getting ready and stuff. That's the thing is ultimately it is great. Yeah.

And she always goes, I'm a dangerous man with some money. That's kind of joanie. Don't believe her just what. It really is somebody in my bucket. I love that song. All right. We got to do it. so honey. This is,

if you don't know now you know, our one minute segment where we take something in culture that's not so great or that we feel a way about, we work it out on the remix, aka the podcast. I have something. Okay, great. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many's time starts. Now, I don't think so, honey, Coachella, because

the set times have come out. By now it will already have happened, so I'll already have figured this out, but I don't want to decide between some of these artists. And you don't make it easy, too, because they're very far away. So I can't split time at the Sahara and the Mojave. It's like a true journey.

And I don't think so, honey, that like Sabrina Carpenter is also not last on Friday. You know what I mean? It's like there's a whole bunch of stuff happens. You were excited about disclosure after Sabrina. 30 seconds. That could be fun. He wants to catch a vibe. But basically, I'm not actually upset because I'll just get there and I'll kind of vibe out

and I'll only 40% be here on the physical plane. So at the time everything happens, I'll be fine. But Coteo just make it a little bit easier. There's a big confident Duke Dumont and Major Laser. That should be at the same time. And that happens again and again. I don't think so honey Coachella for this reason. I do think so honey that you give those water bottles out.

There's only $2 and you can refill them. You know, you could be charging $19 a water bottle and you don't do that. So thank you, Coachella. I'll give you credit for that. How many time do I have? Yeah, that's it. That's what I meant. That's exactly.

Yes. This is okay. If it were Europe, the water would be free. Noted. Would it? $2 water bottle at Coachella's not bad though. That's not bad. That's refillable. Like, you know they could be.

Yeah. A lot worse. Throwing the girls under the bus. We'll put in money for free waters at Girls Just Wanna. Okay. Unless you're already doing that. No. Well, you know, we definitely have fill stations.

You hydrate the community. All those things. You have very concerned about. A doting, a doting lesbian, giving sunscreen and water because of that person who had that. Yeah, there's a fleet of them. They're all my exes. Yeah.

Yeah. They're all 60. You can trust all of these people. I've had 10 plus year relationships with each and every one of them. And that's community. Yeah, hello. All right. Okay. Are you ready?

I'm ready. This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, lesbians not being in the audience. I think that they are the true perfect receptors of art and culture. I think anytime there is not a lesbian in the art, I think we would not be where we are without lesbians in the audience.

crowd. No. I think without that beautiful sort of frequency in the communal space, in the collective consciousness that we experience in performances, we would be nothing. We would be nothing and I feel like as gay men

we kind of are, we put our blinders on and we kind of just are performing to other gay men sometimes. And I think we need to let that go and I need this is sort of a self-call in, a self-check-in, a self-call out. Yes. That I, we need to sort of... 15 seconds. really extricate ourselves from this sort of potentially toxic dynamic that I'm in as it relates to other gay men.

I think this is five seconds. Something that I am really willing to intentionally explore more with you. Not that we haven't done it before, but I think as we plan our own live shows, let's really talk about that. Not in a pandering way, of course. Well, that's one minute. I have, first of all, the only concepts I ever go do are Muna. So I don't know what you're talking about. They know those Muna's, they see me every.

every show. And they hate to see you coming. Are you a movie fan? Of course they did girls just want to. I love them. We did, oh, guess what song we all did together? What? I'm a bitch.

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I do. I think there's been less conflict, though, as of... I think in the Trump presidency, I don't think we fight as much. I don't think we're roughing up against each other. it's a lot less. There's been some cross-pollination. And I would attribute that to the younger generation. We got like Chapel Rome bringing us together and shit, you know? And you must love the chaps. I love her. Yeah. Because Elta was actually one of the people who was just like, that girl is special. And you're like, well, fucking. very early on

very very very early on and then I got to she asked me to interview or I interviewed her and it's not like the easiest thing in the world to interview Chapel around as you guys know

yeah yeah yeah and I loved it it made me want to interview yeah because she's just a true artist you know she's like you know she's one of those she's not inaccessible but she's like Seattle she's gonna make you work for it

she's like Kate Bush you should be the like singer-songwriter producer that is interviewing other singer-songwriter producers, though, because you have vocabulary for every genre. You have, like, I don't know, I feel like also like someone from Seattle should be the person doing that. I feel like the reach you have for conversations you could have with people, you should consider

it. I will. I will. I will consider that. You should. That's such a compliment. And I think I would really enjoy it. I'm so interested in them.

Yeah. You know, and interested is interesting, and I think that that would be a really fun thing to do some of my time. Just to hear you talk to Chapel about, like, I don't know, all of it, what I think would get at something. Because, you know, you're right. I feel like there is, and people shouldn't be afraid to be interviewed. You know what I mean? Like, it's got such a weird thing because now we're having the conversation about who should be doing these interviews or like, or what journalism is now. Like, should people be challenged, et cetera?

I don't think it's about that. I just think it's about we should have people who are genuinely interested in their subjects. Yes. Yeah. That is what it is. That is such a great podcast for that reason. Because you guys are just so, you know, communicative communally. Like the fact that you are, we're so interested in each other.

I feel like this isn't going to end when we stop. No, absolutely not. We were, I'm just the fact that someone that you're. I know. Level wants to kind of hang out with this. You don't remember this maybe, but you hung out with me and my friend Josh Sharp. an after party once. I do remember that.

And then we tried to coax you to come out to Ginger's one night in Park Slope, the lesbian bar in Park Slope. Oh my God. Everyone would drop. You would be mobbed. And so it's for the best. I'm into that. I've been going out to lesbian bars after hours recently.

Really? Yeah, I've been doing it. Do you enjoy a good mobbing? I love it. I love people. You know, may I like be alone? Yeah. Come up.

Come up. Let's have a beer. Come up and say the thing. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. It's fine. Say the thing.

No, like, by the way, I don't understand. Nobody ever picked up a guitar and learned how to sing, trying to sing like Freddie Mercury so that nobody would come up to them and go, I'm a fan. Of course, of course. It's like the audacity and what I do is because I want to draw people to me. People have personal boundaries on an individual level, but I think I always say, people, like, someone asked to me, they were like, are you, like, how is it free? I'm like, 99.99.99% of people are kind, so generous, have nothing but lovely things to

say. Yeah. And it's like, why would I, you would never complain about that. No. Anyway. It's not, it's not always fun that I'd have somebody put their phone in your face and say like, will you talk to my friend? Will you sing my friend happy birthday? Will you say, I don't know. Coming up with the phone like this is sort of like, all right. So now I feel like it's, it's become Pokemon. And when it becomes Pokemon, I'm like, I'm out. Wait, I'm so, I'm so in a reverie. Have we gone, have we done brandy yet? No, we're doing now. All right. Okay, but I can't decide between two things. Okay. Do you want our help or do you want to?

Do you go with your heart? Okay, I'm going with my heart. Okay. This is Brandy Carlisles. I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so honey to people that dodge high fives. They're too cool to do a high five.

Right. Do you know what I mean? Yep. Like if you put that hand up for a high five, it's like so earnest and it's like kind and it means like an enthusiasm, like a connection is going to happen. Yeah. And if they like go to fist bump you or give you a hug or something, I call that like indier than thou. They're like nonchalant.

It's a very indie thing to do to not high five. Amazing. And I hate that because I just think that like when somebody is is kind of being rejected for being overly eager or uncool or whatever, it triggers me at like the deepest part of myself. So if I ever put my hand up to you, let's just go for the high five. Even if like high fiving is not like in your thing, you got to, you got to high five and we got to connect.

And you know the rule at high fiving, right? Elbows? To make sure. Elbow. You look at the elbow. Five seconds. And then you got that smack. Every time.

Earnestness. Goodness. Kindness. And that's one minute. I could cry. That real. Because high fives are so back. We've been high fiving a lot.

High five. High fives. I have never seen. Ever seen. I have never seen a gay person not do a high five. Obviously, if you are sensitive to, you know. You know who I'm not talking to. Yes.

I'm not talking to. We're looking to the immunocompromised, okay? So don't make it that. I'm going to get a DM about this. We stayed home. We stayed home. It was home the whole time. I was watching Survivor gaining 25 pounds.

You know, one time I was on a boat, and this guy I know wouldn't do a high-five. I was on a boat one time. Your boat? My boat, in the pandemic, it was like a new boat. I was in the middle of the ocean. I couldn't see land, you guys. And I saw a kayak go by all alone. And in the kayak was a man.

with a mask on. Bless his heart. Dear God. I don't know. It was Tom Hanks in March. That's, I mean. I got to get my paddles in. That's amazing.

Yeah, he was just paddling, you know, paddling being, you can see what I believe, right? We're liberal out here at sea. You know what I voted for? Yeah. Oh my God. Well, damn. Okay. We didn't say.

up top. Brandy's going on the human tour. Yes. Sitting near you. The new albums, we didn't talk about the new album. The new album's amazing. So good. It was in the subtext the whole time. It was. And also, congrats on the dock. I mean, I got nominated for a goddamn Academy

Award. And it's so spectacular. It really is. I know. I know. It's just like it's it's a part of me now. Yeah. It'll always be referred to in my poetry and the way that I interact with my

within my marriage, you know, and also the way I interact with myself. For anybody that doesn't know what you're talking about, that's come see me in the good life. It's on Apple. Yeah. And it's an incredible poet, Andrea Gibson. Yeah.

Passed away, left us way too early from cancer. But they did this amazing thing where they sort of documented that journey. And it's not like an end of life documentary. No. You know, Andrea is actually still alive at the end of the doc. Andrea's gone now, but

there were so many unintended things messages within that documentary, I think. Yeah, like all the best docs. Yeah, there was like complicated religious stuff. There was body image stuff. There was, you know, complicated family dysfunction

stuff. There are different things surfacing like they would, you know, in an end of life scenario. Yeah. But I think that the most impactful thing for me was that moment, there's this moment where Andrea

and their wife Meg, they get that filter going on their phone where it shows you older. Yeah. And Andrea is looking at themselves as an old person and recognizing that they'll never know that person. That'll never happen.

And is like laughing and crying at the same time because they're in love with that image. And then Meg, you know, their wife comes on and they're getting to see their wife as an old one. And it's so beautiful because it just shows you that aging is such a privilege awarded to so few. And it changes my perspective on aging and my own face and just kind of like how I'm going to enter into that chapter of life. So that documentary just it took me out, dude. Really beautiful.

Yeah. Really, really, really beautiful. And it's, I just that you are attached to that project is so, it's just a no-brainer because it's like, spiritually, it's so many of the themes. It's connection, it's catharsis, it's love, it's togetherness, it's just so many things. And so many things beneath the surface, which is just in all of your albums, it's just, I feel like you and Sarah Borellis, it's like I could listen on nonsense. By the way, where is your musical? Oh, well, I was approached about doing one that's kind of like, I don't know if it's on hiatus or what's going to happen,

but it seems like to do the music and be a part of a musical of Fried Green Tomatoes, Oh, that is so fab. How perfect with that? Oh, that would be, no, that is, I was thinking, I was like, what's the property? And then you just said it. Oh, that makes me so happy. I hope it happens. Yeah, so if it's on hiatus, guys, let's get it going.

Well, this is the place to. If it's been tabled permanently, let's start something. No, no, we're manifesting here. This is things have a way of happening. Okay, we're very happy to hear it. How great is Sarah Perelis? The best. I mean.

Did you see her in, um, into the woods? No, I didn't see. She's just so perfect for Sondheim because I was saying at the time, she's such a thoughtful singer and that his songs are so full of thoughts that like she lands everything so cleanly. She's an instrument, walking instrument like you. And that's why I was just like, you know, both your music, it's just me. Then somehow she's like an amazing like sitcom actor like on Girls Viva.

I'm like, God. I'm going to send you guys this video of us doing, she used to be mine. Oh, God. Girls Just Wanna. It was like honestly one of the most blissful musical like moments of my life. Like I don't know what happened. Something happened. Something happened. Well, that's one of those forever songs.

Oh. Yeah. And you know, she said that she was influenced by the story when she wrote it. That makes total sense to me. I can kind of hear it and the melody now that I think about it a little bit. Yeah. That's that really reads God. Yeah.

I mean like just that, just that. I don't know. Yeah. I see it. Whatever. It's amazing. And the fact that. Every singer that does it, like, because it's so beautifully written, it almost feels like every singer that does it is making it their own without even really trying.

It's just like they connect to it. It's because the lyric. It's like suddenly that lyric becomes your tattoo and it means something to your life. And so you're emphasizing different words and different moments and you make it your own. But that's what, that's no great lyric can be emulated. No. Not if it is able to really get, get through. rude to a person. It's like defying

gravity and that it's one of those Broadway songs where you could just watch a YouTube, if you're a gay guy, if you watch a YouTube compilation of just everyone doing it, and suddenly you're 17 minutes into a YouTube video watching Jordan Sparks's rendition of she used to be mine, and you're still crying. Like, the same way you were when Shoshana Bean did it. It's like, these names are such dog whistles as well. I know, I know.

But loud at dog whistles. It's one of those. The greatest YouTube, like, rabbit hole that I can go down and I can do it for hours. I'll get on a flight now that you can like stream. Yeah. And I will just be like, um, five hours of Celine Dion. Yeah. And that's it. Five hours of Celine Dion. Good moments, bad moments, just. No, there's no such things. Interviews, anything. Just all Celine Dion all day. Or Whitney. Those two rabbit holes are like, I could live in those rabbit holes. Yeah. Gorgeous, gorgeous rabbit holes. We're going to Paris to see her. We definitely are.

At this residency? Yes. We're not going to miss it. When? Because I'm not saying I won't join you. If you have room for one more lesbian. It's like the whole mafia. You're doing your Red Rock show in September and then we're going to meet you in Paris or we'll pick you up or something. Oh, you'd be perfect. I've never been to Red Rocks. I am so dead serious when I say that this has to happen.

I would love that. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's plan for it. If I could go to Selim with you guys. Word. Don't even play. It was like the great regret of our life because we were supposed to go see her and then

we were working or something and being like, oh, well, you know, Celine will always perform in Vegas. dumbest sentence ever. Terrible. And then the pandemic happened and we lost our opportunity, but we had tickets. And as someone who grew up in Montreal,

like this is my, this is what my life has led up to. I'm telling you. It actually has. Have you met her? No. Oh my God. She's the final boss.

I bet she would come on. I bet she would come on and she would be so outrageous. We've now said for like probably over a year, right? Like she's our dream guest. Because we've gotten so many bucket lists. Like Mariah Carey came. I know.

I loved that one. I mean, I could go down. Mariah Carey Rabbit Hole too. I met her once. And I know you guys have met her because you had this amazing, amazing pot and I listened to it actually just yesterday. But and I saw the clips on Instagram. But when I met her, it was at the Clive Davis party. And I was like summoned to her. Yeah. She sent someone to get me. Yeah. Well, she knows what's real. She's not coming to you. Oh my God. I've written, I've written Maryi Carey two letters. I wrote me, me twice. You did?

Yes. When? Um, like once when I was a young girl like 22, 23, and then once again, when by the way, I forgive you came out. Wow. Oh, my God. People don't understand there's crossover here. I'm massive Mariah Carey. Yes. Oh, see, but of course you are.

So I get like summoned to Maria Carrey. And of course, I walk over there in my suit, you know, with like my haircut. And she's like sitting in her chair and she didn't stand up. She just goes and looked up at me and I'm like, cool, I'll get down my knees from Mariah Carey like any day. And she goes, my brother. strap is really like cutting into my shoulder. She's like, can you get it for me? And so I got to like maneuver Mariah Carey's bra strap and like make her more comfortable. And then I got down on my knees to talk to Mariah Carey. And as soon as I did that, and she asked me to move for brawstrap,

I was like, I knew you were a real Mimi. And she goes, thank you. So she summoned me to fix her bra strap and to thank her for summoning me. And then we got the most iconic photo. And I mean, That was our whole interaction. She never stops being iconic. Iconic. And she doesn't even try. Nope. And talk about no great lyric can be emulated.

She's full of them. Oh my God. If this isn't the year, this is what I should have done. I don't think so honey on preemptively. If they snub her at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year, I'm burning it down. I'm burning it down. You should induct her. You should be the one to induct her.

Because I feel the passion. I repost the story. I say, hello, tag the rock and roll hall of fame. I said, this is the year. This is the year. She even did alternative music. Yeah. Oh, on this podcast, we said to her,

We brought up the grunge album. Release the grunge album. And she said, I know, right? I should do that. I don't know if she forgot. And then she was like, what label do I release that on? I'm like, the one of your choosing? Let's go full subpop.

Oh, that would be amazing. Oh, subpop. Come on. That'd be so good. Come to Seattle. Do it at the show. I even said, should we start a label? She was like, maybe.

I was like, don't threaten us with the time of our lives. Yeah, she just doesn't know how much crossover she has into everything. Right. This has been a joy and a half. For me, it's been a joy and a half for me. I wanted to do this for such a long time. I love you guys so much. I'm such a fan.

Well, we just, we're just beyond to hear that. And you guys have met several times, but we met briefly at SNL 50 and I was floating. after interaction because you're just so good. So thanks for coming. You guys are so good. Well, I guess I'll see you when we go see Celine together. And speaking of her, we end every episode with the song. I really set us up for that one.

Yeah. Which one do we pick? You were my strength when I was weak. Diane. You were my voice when I couldn't speak. Should have won for this. Were my eyes when I couldn't see. Hey.

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