Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "We, Tonya" (w/ Tim Murray)

Episode Date: September 20, 2017

Chirp chirp! Matt and Bowen, demanding a "good ol' fashioned queer" be in studio, summon the singular Tim Murray! Tim demands that Las Culturistas get INTO (what some might call) the defining trio of ...modern culture: Tonya Harding, Hillary Clinton, and Ellen Pompeo. Bowen teaches the god-damn children about "Practical Magic" while Matt whips Kelly C fans into a god-damn lather over the upcoming album. Tears are shed and laughs are had and Tim Murray burns down the studio with a wicked "I Don't Think So, Honey!" Subscribe, download, and review today!LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:46 Okay, here we go, because I, just before we hit record, I had asked you, you're just coming in from work. We're recording in the evening on a Sunday evening. You're working the weekend shift. Famously. You're in your Brooklyn Crab regalia. So what's going on? And you said, well, I'll tell you why. And I sense this chipperedness, this energetic spirit. What is it? What's going on and you said well i'll tell you why and i sense this chipperedness this
Starting point is 00:03:05 energetic spirit what is it what's going on you won't believe this but oh my god this bitch has become a kombucha bitch i have begun to drink kombucha each day and let me tell you something and las coserias listeners know they've been on a health journey with me. Sure, yeah. And us all. And us all. And I have to impart this wisdom unto you. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:32 I'm not. Let me tell you something. Here we go. I have famously had bronchitis. Yep. And then the flu. And then for over a month, you guys, and I truly think of you all, the listeners, as close friends of mine.
Starting point is 00:03:44 So I will share this with you. Please. I have not been, quote unquote, regular in a long time. But then the kombucha. And then I was speaking with one Mo Frypasek. Mo! And I said, you know, I was on a series of antibiotics this summer. And she goes, well,
Starting point is 00:03:59 there you go. They fucked you up. So I was truly wrecked. And she said, you need probiotics. She said, you need probiotics. She said, you need to drink kombucha or go to the store and buy the pills. But she's like, but they're expensive. I was like, okay, well, maybe I'll try kombucha. And I literally asked, what is it? Because I thought it was some sort of like coffee offshoot.
Starting point is 00:04:19 But little did I know it is raw, organic, literal live bacteria in a glass bottle. Yeah, it's like vinegar water. Yeah, and you think, wow, that's disgusting. Yogurt water, I'm sorry. I live for it. Okay, and I'm not totally on, I haven't been totally on board with kombucha because Have you tried it?
Starting point is 00:04:38 Yeah, of course. Just, you know, I was an early adopter. I got it on the ground floor with kombucha. Wow. I'm just kidding. A pioneer. What a disgusting sentence to say. But I just never.
Starting point is 00:04:48 I got in on the ground floor with kombucha. I never, it never did it for me. But if you're saying, because you know what, I've been complaining to you. I've been taking poisonous shit lately. Water. No, water, but also like,
Starting point is 00:05:00 I'll wake up in the middle of the night. And usually, you know, when you do a little diary, like it's like after that you feel, after that, you feel great. Yeah, you feel diarrhea-oo. But not in these times. Like, I've had to go to the bathroom, like, rule of three, I've been going to the bathroom three times within the span of 30 minutes
Starting point is 00:05:15 because my- Like clockwork three. Because like clockwork three, because my bowels are just wrecked. And I think it's because of the antibiotics. You know, it's rule number 92 of culture. Comedy and diarrhea, the rule of three. Like clockwork three. You know, it's rule number 92 of culture. Comedy and diarrhea. The rule of three. Like clockwork three.
Starting point is 00:05:29 That's okay. Well, great. Well, I have to tell you, there's so many different flavors and I recommend two brands. Okay. Synergy and Health Aid. Synergy is like the big one. Synergy is like the famous one. And so I actually just had a kind of not great one, which was a strawberry flavor.
Starting point is 00:05:46 I've tried the strawberry and was not on board with it because they have the little seeds in there. Gingerade. Oh, fun. That's the one you need. Okay. Ginger beer flavor. And our guest is nodding in agreement. Our guest is nodding in agreement and I nod in agreement because can I tell you something? We love him. I'm so excited. I'm so excited for him. And I'm so thrilled because I feel like, you know what, Bo?
Starting point is 00:06:02 Yeah. I feel like we've had a lot of great guests, but it's time to get a good old fashioned queer in here I said it's time to get a good old fashioned queer in here and we were discussing who's going to be on the show and you even said I even said let's get a gay let's get a gay it's time
Starting point is 00:06:18 it's time I cannot believe you're outing me the time is now let's list the credits bitch alright the credits are gay Let's list the credits bitch Alright the credits Are as follows His web series Unfunny gay guys You can find that
Starting point is 00:06:29 On his YouTube channel bitch Also on his YouTube channel Untucked the musical Which is a collaboration Between he and Friend of the show Henry Koperski And this is where
Starting point is 00:06:39 They take amazing Little well known Segments from Untucked from RuPaul's Drag Race And musicalize them In fabulous Fantastic ways Brilliant And an upcoming New project They take amazing little well-known segments from Untalked from RuPaul's Drag Race and musicalize them in fabulous, fantastic ways. And an upcoming new project.
Starting point is 00:06:49 I'm so excited for this. Yes. It's called Slumber Party. It's going to be a new talk show featuring Tim, also on Tim's YouTube channel. And in order to more accurately find the YouTube channel, you should know the bitch's name. Here we go. And his name is Tim Murray! And what a day.
Starting point is 00:07:09 What a day it has been. What a day. I'm following a conversation about feces. Yes. A conversation about feces and then Tim Murray. Because it's a gay show. Because it's a gay show. We got to get real about the feces.
Starting point is 00:07:21 You got to get real about the feces. Unfortunately, as gays, we have to confront fecal matter often. Here's something. I'm recently starting to douche and I bought this really chic looking bulb from Amazon, but it doesn't work. The suction is bad and you really have to try these out.
Starting point is 00:07:37 It's a really hit or miss thing with buying these douche bulbs to clean your hole out. I've never once douched. Me neither. I've done what they call the fleet enemas that they sell i've done those but apparently those are bad for you if you do them a lot because it just like really eats it's eat away up in there it gets real up in there and it really starts to like tenderize your your tenderize the meat no there's
Starting point is 00:08:00 no way you need your whole well done absolutely Absolutely. Well done. Well, or rare, but not tender. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I'm sorry. I thought I'd bring that into the conversation just because it's part of the feast. I'm thrilled that you did.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Honestly, listen, and I feel like we can open up to you. Yes. I feel I can open up to you. Can I just start this off by saying, do you remember the best day of your lives? Yeah, I think it was when we were in Disney World. Yeah. That makes sense. Mine was when I saw Idina Menzel in Wicked when I was 18.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Oh my God. But I feel like this is the second best day of mine. Oh my God, Tim. Because I am so thrilled to be here. To be up there with Idina is truly momentous for us. It is truly huge. Oh my God. You know what?
Starting point is 00:08:46 I really, I just was having a rough day at work this week and just. A rough day at work this week. Mood boost. Just thought, let me put on the wicked OST. No. Original soundtrack. Yes. No, Broadway cast recording.
Starting point is 00:09:00 OBC. OBC. OBCR. OBCR, bitch. And God, what an instant I mean it holds up one of the things
Starting point is 00:09:07 that holds up when you look that's where I met you guys yes oh my god yes Henry's Wicked
Starting point is 00:09:14 mashed up with with Pat Regan as as Miranda previously he had never seen the movie no
Starting point is 00:09:23 and he famously did not totally disregarded her performance style completely he would just come out and go you look ugly Miranda Priestly. She had never seen the movie. No. And he famously did not, totally disregarded her performance style. Completely. He would just come out and go, you look ugly in that outfit. And then walk off stage.
Starting point is 00:09:35 And you were Fiyero slash Adrian Grenier? Yes. No, no, no, no, no, no. Fiyero slash blonde douche. The mentalist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was amazing. I remember saying to Henry, who is this bitch?
Starting point is 00:09:43 That was the first time I met Tim Teague. I was like, he's very funny. That was transformative for me because I was like a musical theater douche before that. Yeah, yeah. Not a douche.
Starting point is 00:09:52 But like, I didn't know what I was, you know what I mean? Like that type of musical theater boy that just is kind of like, I don't know where I'm going or what I'm doing,
Starting point is 00:10:00 but I need like outward validation from other people all the time to like feel like I am doing my art or whatever my my yeah and then we did that show and I was like wait there are like gay people that do comedy that are making their own shit and are making their own stuff and it was honestly like a huge shift in my whole yeah was that when you started no that wasn't when you started making videos but honestly i had been making videos before that but they were only ever theater related content and very rarely
Starting point is 00:10:31 and i would rarely post about them and then doing meeting you guys and henry and that your whole crew of like awesome new york queer comedians was like oh these people are putting themselves out there all of the time oh but now you're like i mean now you're the one who's just like just churning all this quality the content keeps flowing the content keeps so i have had such a shift in the last like especially the last year but in the last like six months i was like very very depressed like boner and i were talking about this a little bit before that i was living in like an apartment with no windows and it was just dark it was dark times and I have had this just complete shift in my brain where I now
Starting point is 00:11:13 am I was telling my therapist like a year ago like I don't know I used to be like a happy person and now I I used to like walk down the street and like hear music in my head yeah yeah and uh now I don't and that's like very scary yeah
Starting point is 00:11:30 for me and with the the more I've talked it out and the more I realize it's just like all about creating stuff and like having fun
Starting point is 00:11:36 and throwing shit against the wall and like not being afraid and improv helped with that a lot too to be like oh sometimes you're gonna fucking fall on your face
Starting point is 00:11:44 yeah a hundred percent I love that I love that I just love that that shift that it's you know And improv helped with that a lot too. To be like, oh, sometimes you're going to fucking fall on your face. Yeah, 100%. I love that. I love that. I just love that shift that it's just opened all this stuff up for you. That's so cool. The joy is in creating the work. And it's about the work. It's about the work.
Starting point is 00:12:00 It's about the process. You also very much enjoy the process. Sometimes, like, he is over the house all the time with Henry, and they're creating their goofs. And you guys are always laughing. And we've witnessed him direct us. Yes. And he is very much just very involved in the process,
Starting point is 00:12:17 very, very collaborative, so fun to work with, so great. You guys did a little shoot today. We did a little shoot today for some of Henry's promos. Yeah, for Henry Kamiarski. Look it up. At TeamMurray06. It's going to be on the YouTube. That's the YouTube.
Starting point is 00:12:29 TeamMurray06, baby. What can you tell us about this project that you did today? It's like, basically, the big thing that we're trying to do
Starting point is 00:12:37 is, and one thing I've realized with one of my other videos is called We Get It, You Know Each Other. Yes. Okay, I love that.
Starting point is 00:12:43 You need to watch that. Yes. There's about two people that scream when they know each other. But I've been making so much fucking shit lately. Yeah, yeah. And it feels great. But it's like sometimes I'll make something
Starting point is 00:12:53 that I'm like, this is it. Last year I made Hillary Clinton, She's All That and just mapped the movie She's All That to Hillary Clinton and no one watched it. Yeah. It got no views. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:13:05 That's so true. But what I realized with this video was like all I had to fucking do was label the top of the video we get it you know each other
Starting point is 00:13:12 and suddenly it blew up. We are getting so dumb is a mean word to say but we're getting like we need things like like so clearly stuck to us
Starting point is 00:13:22 on the internet. So what Henry and I were trying to do with this is to clearly label yeah and bone was so funny no um guys master class performances from becky chicoy and sammy's these are just people that i guys what was the video okay so it's henry kapurski sitting um at a piano at an audition in an audition room and just being the accompanist and it's just and maybe tim you can this better, but it's just different people coming in,
Starting point is 00:13:46 being different versions of like different types of nightmares and monsters in those rooms. That are auditioning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, musical theater monsters. Musical theater monsters.
Starting point is 00:13:55 That come in in certain ways and expect certain things of the accompanist. And treat the accompanist like garbage for the most part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't wait. So I tried a couple things
Starting point is 00:14:03 where I like was flirting hard with Henry because I've witnessed that myself just in front of my own eyes. And I admitted to you that I've done it before.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Well, I mean, we've all done it, but like with Henry specifically, it's this really funny thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was just like pulling from my experience and just like really
Starting point is 00:14:19 making Henry feel uncomfortable. And he was method, honey. Oh, full method. He was giving you Strasburg, Stanislavski, I don't fucking know, but he was like really acting and I was like, this is was giving you strasburg stanislavski i don't fucking know but he was like really acting and i was like this is gonna read really well my favorite thing is when henry acts he's really good at it see see sometimes the other day he did an impression
Starting point is 00:14:34 of someone no he didn't it wasn't someone that oh i forget but he came home from an interaction and he did an impression of the person and and then i sometimes tease him like oh the actor but and he gets very bashful but it was very good of course it was yeah he's just been inundated with like people like throwing and projecting like their own like shit at him for all this time and of course he's watching so much is like such uh which again the culture is this podcast big thing for me like hearing other people's things that they watched as kids that like that's why you're when i heard pat regan talk about this shit that he watched growing up i was like that's why you are as good as you are yeah yeah and you guys talking about desperate housewives so much
Starting point is 00:15:19 makes me be like it's a moment okay hold. So because you've just brought it up organically, let's talk about this. So Tim, what is the culture? And we ask this of all our guests. This is the question we ask all the guests. This is the question we ask all the guests. What is the culture that brought you into culture? It was the culture that made you decide culture at large as a concept was for you. Is for me.
Starting point is 00:15:45 I've been thinking about this a lot because, you know, I'm number one fan of the pod. At me in the comments. You're not a bigger fan than me. At him. At me. And I have a really bizarre memory. Like I can remember where I was sitting and what was happening. I remember I was sitting.
Starting point is 00:16:02 We were on vacation in Miami. And we were sitting in a hotel room, and I am watching the TV, and the news story of Tanya Harding hits Nancy Kerrigan's leg, comes across the screen. And I literally feel like I could, my whole body just like went light. And I was like, this is fascinating to me. And I looked at the screen and it's just like
Starting point is 00:16:26 the most specific, and you guys talked about this on the podcast before too. We have. I was just thinking to myself, have we talked about this? I'm almost positive that we have. Tanya and Nancy,
Starting point is 00:16:33 that's not what I'm talking about. You've talked about, so specifically, your friends, your sister's hot friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what that looked like to you and what that meant to you.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Yes. And seeing these women, these fierce figure skater women with their very specific hairdos and their specific costumes. But what I now realize attracted me to this story so much was storytelling. It was such, so dramatically laid out for the world. It was so thick. It was like, Tanya Harding was, and so thick it was like tanya harding was and i fell in love with tanya harding and i was like she had these blonde bangs that just came down
Starting point is 00:17:10 like this and they in the news story i watched they were like you know poor white trash up up against uh rich nancy pristine nancy cold nancy kerrigan yeah and that was the narrative being spun for me so i remember going home and sitting in my bed and clamping my hands so tight and saying dear god i know tanya harding didn't do it please please please let the world understand that she is a good person and she would not have done this that is so interesting because you just were empathizing so much with this person who was being villainized in the media. Yes.
Starting point is 00:17:49 I'm so empathetic but then y'all wanted a twist, eh? We did. It was so bad at the Olympics. So fucking bad that I turned. And I put up a Nancy Kerrigan poster in my room. Oh, so not even you turn your back on perform. And I put up a Nancy Kerrigan poster in my room.
Starting point is 00:18:05 And I'm a Nancy Kerrigan. Oh, so not even you turn your back on Tanya, you put up a Nancy poster. I turned 180 and I joined the other side. Oh, my God. I joined the other side. That's filth. I'm a bad person. So, wait.
Starting point is 00:18:18 I do think that maybe it's not as fascinating. Well, so it's up there for me with the OJ thing. With, yeah, unbelievable, you could never make it up. 100%. The Tanya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan thing. And you know what else? You guys are a little younger than me, but I feel like the OJ thing was the second biggest news story
Starting point is 00:18:36 of my lifetime, maybe the first for you. Do you think? It's up there. I mean, I will be completely honest and say that because I was in Canada as it was happening, Canadians just, like, didn't really care about it. And so I didn't really, like, the car chase, like, the whole Bronco chase thing, like, that was all something that I, like, learned, like, much later on about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And, like, so many of the details, like, about, like, Marsha Clark and Clark and all these people like I didn't really learn about until like last year last year like the documentaries and American Crime Story like I was like oh like I really missed out on this because for yeah so I mean that's just I mean that's interesting but like did you miss I do remember it dominating but I'll tell you what also dominated and continued to dominate for years and the two stories kind of jumbled in together for me as like, oh, that's just like, I guess, tabloid culture. It was what my five, six-year-old self understood tabloid culture to be was JonBenet. Oh.
Starting point is 00:19:34 And it felt like JonBenet was never not on the cover of one of those magazines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you go to the supermarket, you still see JonBenet. Absolutely. Seriously. That's crazy. It didn't go away for years. Yeah, and the fact that it still hasn't Benet. Absolutely. Seriously. That's crazy. It didn't go away for years. Yeah, and the fact that it still hasn't is crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Yeah. We are such a strange culture. Why are we so obsessed with that? And also two things. One, didn't realize that OJ was an athlete slash actor slash superstar until much later. Didn't understand how famous he was until I was watching Crime Story and I texted my dad and I'm like, how famous was he? He was the most famous athlete
Starting point is 00:20:10 of his generation. Two, didn't understand that JonBenet Ramsey was a little beauty queen. Thought that was just the way she looked and thought, oh my god, that pretty girl died. And I didn't understand why it was such a huge story.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Yeah. Same. I didn't realize that either. I don't think until way later. And then you understand what a fucked up, bizarre story it is and why it's so big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is so crazy. But yeah, just thought that was what normal little girls looked like.
Starting point is 00:20:39 I think I thought that too. Talk about the patriarchy. Oh, dark. It's a dark world. It certainly is, Tim. In second grade, the teacher took a poll of all of us and said, how many of you think OJ did it? Oh, my God. And one little boy, Ricky Haas, raised his hand and said, I don't think he could have done it because he's a very good football player.
Starting point is 00:21:01 And we accepted that in this Catholic schoololic school as like oh yeah except for me who was like but also he was like taking a sample of a room full of second graders like that is it's shocking but we just talked about this last week with ruby like um the positions that these teachers put kids in and like these questions that they make them answer like talking to a bunch of 15 year olds about abortion rights is just so fucking crazy overwrought and fraught whatever yeah just like why would you do that it's overfraught
Starting point is 00:21:34 overfraught rule number 75 overfraught um okay um I would I would position to say I would posit sorry I'm trying to sound smart today. Position it. I would say that Princess Diana was like, yes, that was like the, I think that's one of the biggest stories. I was going to say, we were a little bit older then.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Pop culture-y things, yeah. And she was an international figure. Totally. And so, therefore. No, but Princess Diana dying was before Jean Benet, though. I don't think that that's true. I think Jean Benet was. Let's look it up. Jean Benet, though. I don't think that that's true. I think Jean Benet was... Let's look it up.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Jean Benet was like 97, 98. Oh, really? I think she was 95. I think that was earlier. Okay. I remember where I was. I think the chronology of it was... I'm Googling it.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Tanya, OJ. Tanya was definitely first. Jean Benet, Princess Diana. 96. Okay. And then, yeah. Oh, the 20th anniversary of Tanya was very recently. So... So 97. Right. Okay, so you're right. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Yes. Jean Benet. But then, yeah. And then, oh, the 20th anniversary of Diana was very recently. So.
Starting point is 00:22:25 So 97. Right. Okay. So you're right. I'm so sorry. Yes. Jean Benet. But Jean Benet we heard about in Canada.
Starting point is 00:22:29 I accept your apology. Thank you. Jean Benet we heard about in Canada. And it was like two years before I was going to move to Colorado. And I was like, people. And I've said this a million times before. Yes, you have. You have.
Starting point is 00:22:37 You have. On the podcast. But when my parents were telling me that we were moving to Colorado, I was like, people. That's where Columbine happened? Oh, that's where Jean Benet died? Yeah. People fucking murder each other there. And that's not accurate. Columbine was a big thing in Canada that you've heard about.
Starting point is 00:22:52 Because I was thinking about this when the three of us are all reading Hillary's book. It's literally out on the table right now. In the gun control chapter, I was crying specifically a lot because i really feel like that would have been her legacy yes had she been elected and i thought so i
Starting point is 00:23:11 couldn't stop thinking about the second grade version of myself and where i think like a lot of my paranoia comes from is that of being like oh anyone could just walk into this school and shoot us yeah and like that like shaped, that, like, shaped so much. And, like, then, was it in your guys' towns, was that, like, did it become, like, sort of part of, like, the local culture, too? I will say it affected my, it happened when I was in third grade. It affected my teacher so deeply that she wouldn't stop talking about it for days. And I, she actually made us, have I said this on the podcast?
Starting point is 00:23:46 She made us all stand in a circle and listen to Hands by Jewel. And we stood holding hands and sang Hands by Jewel. My hands are small, I know. And I've definitely said this before. But then, like days later, we all got in trouble at lunch.
Starting point is 00:24:06 And my lunch monitor, like, pulled my teacher out and said, the kids are peer pressuring each other to be mean to someone. Or they're peer pressuring someone to do something they didn't want to do. Wait, what is that? And the teacher came in and was like, I'm so mortified that I had to listen to that. And not for nothing, but this is not dissimilar to what happened over in Colorado. The peer pressure and the bullying and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:24:30 Well she's kind of right. Yes but traumatizing to tell a group of four. And then I realized even like in third grade I kind of said to myself like okay don't absorb that. That's her issue. That is not What she meant to say was that, like, bullying is wrong,
Starting point is 00:24:47 and you shouldn't make people feel isolated, but she doesn't need to, like, make you guys feel like you're murderers. Like, we're the next Columbine. I mean, who knows? Because she was connecting those dots, like, in a correct way, but of course the way she was communicating it to you guys as third graders was, like, awful and wrong. I think she was traumatized.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Rightfully so. Yeah. Speaking of which, surreal experience having my first Story Pirate show in an elementary school in Long Island the day Sandy Hook happened. No. That was the day it happened? The day it happened. And we were setting up, and it was my first show, and we were performing for all these kids. I was with Katie Skeltonin and branson reese yeah and i get this news notification
Starting point is 00:25:28 on my phone about sandy hook and i was like oh my and i and i didn't want to tell them about this yeah until after the show yeah because i but i saw this and i went out and i looked at all these fucking kids and it's like horrifying this is. And then all of us got into the car, drove back to the city, and we were just silent. We were just like, how did this happen? It was wild.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Wild, wild, wild. We'll never forget it. Yeah, I joined it after that too, and I remember, it's weird. You go into elementary schools now, and you look at the kids, and you think, you just get sick to your stomach.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Are we your teacher now? Are we your great teacher? No. You people did this to me. No, but it's crazy. It's fucking crazy. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.
Starting point is 00:26:18 I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted! Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy.
Starting point is 00:26:33 We were friends! How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo. Or stream it on City TV+. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Guess what, folks? We're teammates again. And we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude, you're a dude, and Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show. We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against, legends from the past, and we're just going to sit here and talk about them. And we'll get into the types of dudes. What kind of types of dudes are there, Gronk?
Starting point is 00:27:08 We got studs, wizards. We got freaks. Or dudes dudes. We got dogs. Dogs. We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. Is Randy Moss a stud or a freak?
Starting point is 00:27:24 Is Tom Brady a dog or a dude's dude? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach
Starting point is 00:27:48 Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story
Starting point is 00:28:03 is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story,
Starting point is 00:28:31 as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and basketball hall of famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be
Starting point is 00:29:06 at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. And then... And it's crazy that it's not going to change now, especially after hearing her chapter in the book.
Starting point is 00:29:49 I was just like, what? This is insane to me that we are not. And after Orlando, I was at my 10-year high school graduation the night that that happened. And I took all these boys that I thought would hate me for being gay. We all were out at a bar together and I was like, I know this is like so lame, but I'm having such a good time with you straight guys. Let's go to the local gay bar in town. And they all came with me and we had the best fucking time.
Starting point is 00:30:19 And it was just like, you know, defeating these like inner demons, like thinking these were my bullies. And then to wake up the next morning and be like, oh, wow, this just happened in a gay bar somewhere else. Oh, my God. In the country. And like from like trying to bridge that gap of like making people feel comfortable and being like even as an ally, you could be. I mean, oh, yeah. I mean, A, I mean, that that is just nice.
Starting point is 00:30:41 Isolated event wise. It was. That is really nice. I don't know if I've said this before and when he was on the podcast I definitely didn't mention this but the night before the the pole shooting Cole
Starting point is 00:30:53 and I were doing a show at Union Hall and then we walked up to Artichoke Pizza in Park Slope to get a bite and then we're sitting there and this crazy person like barrels in and is like screaming and screaming and screaming. And then he goes to Cole, Cole and me and starts screaming faggot at us. And then he like lunges at Cole at one point.
Starting point is 00:31:15 And Cole was just like really shaken by it. And we were both shaken by it. And then like and then it was fine after that. We checked in with each other. We went our separate ways. I checked in again with him when he got home that night. And then the next day,
Starting point is 00:31:28 a fucking pulse happened. And then checked in with each other again. We were just like, it's, are we both, we're both thinking the same thing, right? It's just so fresh that this is still happening. Yeah, like what a weird,
Starting point is 00:31:42 I don't know. It's so fucked up to think about how all these atrocities can happen. And she talks about the mothers in those chapters of the world, like, you know, the murdered black youth and everything. Like, and just to fucking realize that he still was elected. You know what I mean? With nothing on that topic. And only, like, only all the wrong things.
Starting point is 00:32:05 All the wrong things. Everyone should have a gun. Speaking of like you teaching, right? So Orlando happened and then a week later I was teaching like kids, like young kids in a classroom. And I have this paranoia thing where I'm always thinking that something bad is going to happen. And I am sitting in the class and I was just like, what would I do? If someone came in here right now, there's 40 children, what would I do?
Starting point is 00:32:26 If I had a gun on me, that wouldn't help. Oh my God, no. What would I do? Like, that's not... It's not the answer. That's not the answer. It is so flat out not the answer
Starting point is 00:32:34 and the fact that people think it could be the answer shows true... People firmly believe that that's the answer in a truly wild way. Oh my God. It's insanity.
Starting point is 00:32:43 But the thing that's bothering me the most about the fucking people's furor over this Hillary book and I'm seeing this a lot on my Facebook feeds is it's like always the pull quote is wow, Hillary
Starting point is 00:33:00 really stuck in the past, still blaming Bernie. Fucking read the book. It is not about Bernie. This book past still blaming Bernie. Fucking read the book. Read the book. It is not about Bernie. This book is not about Bernie. The library's open. Check out a card and check out the book. I don't have time
Starting point is 00:33:11 for your fucking bullshit. She spends maybe... I'm halfway through it. But from what I've read, there's lines that are about Bernie and about the rightful ways in which she contributed to her loss. Not that he wasn't entitled to say whatever the fuck he wants to say and campaign however he wants. But she's also entitled to write this book.
Starting point is 00:33:37 You don't want to fucking buy it or read it? Don't. You certainly waste a lot of your fucking time posting about it on social media. You certainly are fucking interested. But if you don't want to read the book, don't you certainly waste a lot of your fucking time posting about it on social media you certainly are fucking interested but if you don't want to read the book don't that doesn't mean she doesn't have the right but you don't get to say anything about it then yeah and don't fucking tell me how to spend my money because people being like well at least don't buy it at a barnes and noble you can go fucking shove your own cock up your butthole and let me watch on X2 because that sounds fun. Honestly, you're all fucking disgusting.
Starting point is 00:34:09 She doesn't say anything about him or anything in the book that isn't in service of the party. That isn't in service of trying to bridge exactly why she believed the same thing she believed and took the stances she took and why Bernie took the stances she took. She's not blaming him. She's saying this is how divided we are and this is what he believed and what I believed and why I believe that was a problem for all of us coming together stronger together.
Starting point is 00:34:33 The book is called What Happened. So she's telling you what happened. And one of the things that happened was they were in conflict and it made her look bad. And had he become the nominee, he probably wouldn't have won either because there would have been all the fuckery
Starting point is 00:34:48 that happened with Russia anyway. So it's just like, get over it. I don't know. And what she's been saying in interviews is that, yeah, it has just been about him just doing this sort of damage that he sort of did inflict where it was like well hillary's a fucking crook because she's taking all these speaking fees and it's like she talks
Starting point is 00:35:12 about in the book she's like i mean all my predecessors took speaking fees everyone else who ran for president took like took money from wall street like had no reason to believe that it would have affected me this way except in these these gendered ways. And then the line that punched me in the fucking gut was like, she just has this whole paragraph where she asks these questions like, why am I seen as a divisive figure but Joe Biden and Bernie aren't? Why am I seen as this person but these people aren't?
Starting point is 00:35:35 Why am I caustic but these people aren't? And then she paragraph breaks into just a one line paragraph after that just says, I'm really asking. She goes, I'm at a loss line paragraph after that just says, I'm really asking. I'm at a she goes, I'm at a loss. And it was just like, oh, I was at the gym when I heard I'm listening on audio book and I had to put the weights down. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:35:55 And take a lap because it was so sad. It makes me so fucking sad for my sister. My sister is a fucking fierce lawyer and she didn't take her husband's name. And Hillary has an amazing little paragraph in there about that. About Bill losing the governor's race in Arkansas. Yeah, people said that it was her fault that he lost the governor's race because she didn't take the last name Clinton. And then when she finally did take the last name Clinton,
Starting point is 00:36:21 there's footage of her in, like, in the 70s, just, like, on an interview, on, like, on some, like, TV press thing. And she's just, like, first of all, she looks, she looked fucking fierce back in the day. Just, like, she, like, really just looked like this. She looked, like, twiggy in a way. Like, with this, like, really fierce, like, eye makeup and just, like, this straight blonde hair, like, brownish blonde hair. And she's just, she just looks pissed.
Starting point is 00:36:42 And she's, like, you know, I decided to take, I finally decided to, know just take clinton because it seemed like everyone was getting really up in arms about it so you know i will now for and she rolls her eyes back she goes i will now forever be known as hillary rodham clinton and i was like fuck that fuck fuck the fuck the fuck the forces that like made that happen and like for her to roll her eyes at that is like still so great and delicious well that's fucking classic misogyny and sexism for you and your hatred of her everybody is fucking fueling it's just tired machine it's and it's also it's like why uh like like i don't know read the fucking book read the fuck or or you know what or don't but either way
Starting point is 00:37:25 go fuck yourself because you're gonna read the book and I hope you feel like shit and if you don't read the book continue living in your own fucking ignorance whatever maybe I'm drinking the Kool-Aid too much but I happily do so and I like whatever it's not harming other people it just makes me so mad
Starting point is 00:37:41 it's making me feel better like being able to read it so like stop posting everywhere why does this book exist It just makes me so mad. It's making me feel better being able to read it. So stop posting everywhere, why does this book exist? Anyway. I just think it is sexist to say that shit about her. Absolutely. It's garbage.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Agreed, 100%. I don't know. When you read the chapter on being a woman in politics, that's really hard to read and listen to. And the situations she accounts are so specific. And it's like, give the woman a fucking break. Give her a break. Did you see Cory Booker being like, he basically has a leave Britney alone moment, but about Hillary, where they're interviewing him.
Starting point is 00:38:16 He's like, just leave her alone. Like, God. It's like people don't fucking freak out about John McCain staying silent after his presidential race loss. Like, we're still lionizing him like he's a fucking war hero, which, I mean, that's questionable to begin with. I don't know. Anyway, let's just dig ourselves out of this heavy politics hole.
Starting point is 00:38:41 But I like it down here. Did you hear that Hillary is going to be a judge on All Stars 3? Yes! Honestly, that would be a fucking gag. Chelsea went to Jinx's show! Chelsea Clinton went to one of Jinx's show this past week. Really? And I'm just like, Hillary's gotta go.
Starting point is 00:38:58 Hill's gotta go. She's gotta go. She's gotta go. We gotta get her at the show. Book her for slumber party. I would die to book her for slumber party oh i would die to have hillary on oh my god oh my god oh my god can't wait to have you guys it'd be an honor for her you know what i i thought about this the one question i would ask hillary clinton is she is back in the day especially in at the show's peak she was a huge great anatomy fan and i want to tell i want to ask her what her favorite episode is or who her favorite character is. That's all.
Starting point is 00:39:25 I love that. Who are your... For you. I want that question for you. Favorite episode? Who are your favorite characters and your favorite apps? Yeah. Christina.
Starting point is 00:39:34 I'm a Christina bitch till I die. Yeah. I didn't get Christina for a long time. I do think that she provides some of the best moments ever. I didn't get her for a long time. My favorite character was Izzy. Until she started acting like a stupid idiot. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:53 See, and that's the part of it that I do agree with Katherine Heigl about. The writing was god awful. It was bad. And let's not pretend like Shonda isn't capable of that. I mean, like, she wrote bad. Crossroads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, why would you say that?
Starting point is 00:40:08 Crossroads is amazing. Sure. I'm just saying, like... Crossroads is a better movie than people give it credit for. Agreed. Shonda Rhimes is not... She doesn't hit it out of the park every single fucking time. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:40:17 And also, like, she is very guilty of, like, stepping away and caring less about her shows after she feels like they're past their prime. She gets away with murder. So she... So she walked... I don't know what happened with Grey's Anatomy, but season four was a total fucking mess. And I think that the way
Starting point is 00:40:38 Katherine Heigl handled it... There were some great moments in season four though, and you know what I'm talking about, especially with Christina, especially with Sandra Oh, honey. Which one? Just wiping the tear away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Burke monologue. That was not season four. That was season four.
Starting point is 00:40:49 Yeah, because season three, he leaves her at the altar. Oh, oh, oh. You're talking about you took a piece of me. No, no, no. That's season five. Season four.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Or season six, even. Season six. Unbearable? No. Yeah, unbearable. It's season four? She goes, there you go.
Starting point is 00:41:03 My relationship with Preston Burke in writing. Satisfied. Yeah. She has to report that she slept with Burke to the whole fucking... It's not difficult.
Starting point is 00:41:11 It's unbearable. You guys have talked about this before, but I want it on record from me that her You Took a Piece of Me monologue is the greatest television acting we will ever discover. Never.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Again. Except she did it with a hundred times the restraint that we just did it. Oh, yeah. We will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, He's not the son. You are. She pisses me off though, Shonda. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's fair. She fucking pisses me off. Yeah. Because I will never get over that she let Isaiah Washington come back for that episode. That homophobic piece of garbage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got to come back and wrap up the storyline because Christina deserved it.
Starting point is 00:41:59 However, like, she like can't fucking knock whatever ego thing she has with Katherine Heigl and that character gets literally no resolution whatsoever. Honestly, you know what? If you didn't like her, just fucking kill her in the cancer storyline. Don't bring her back from the literal dead in the cancer storyline
Starting point is 00:42:19 only to have the character get fired six episodes into the next season. That was bullshit. The cancer story was bad. I didn't think it was bad. I just thought, if you're going to, then see it through. Yeah. Like, have her pass away, because don't fucking have her survive only to fire the character because she made, like, a judgment error.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Like, it was so stupid. The show is so stupid. I'm sorry, but Grey's Anatomy is so fucking stupid. It's very stupid. But don't you think that we deserve a single from Ellen Pompeo? A single? I want to hear music from Ellen Pompeo. Her raspy voice.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Yeah. I want to hear a Pick Me, Choose Me, Love Me dance track. Oh, wait. Yes, agreed. And she also has been killing it on Twitter lately. Has she? Should I follow? Well, yes. Has been killing it on Twitter lately Has she? Well yes because Someone sent me this tweet of hers
Starting point is 00:43:06 Where like Some idiot tweeted at her Like oh she's Oh she's a fucking Hillary supporter Fuck you Trump supporters hate you We hate you And then she like quote tweeted this person
Starting point is 00:43:21 And was like I wouldn't want a fucking Trump supporter As a fan anyway you doof Like she was so She goes news was like i wouldn't want a fucking trump supporter as a fan anyway you doof like she was so she goes news flash i wouldn't want it i would i would never fucking want a trump supporter as a fan yeah she's literally like actual like mouthy great i love it i love it do you ever see her episode of punked no okay she was on an episode of punked and like lost it It's insane Because she's with her husband Who knows that this is happening to her
Starting point is 00:43:48 But it's like They're at a restaurant in LA And like the waitress comes out And is like being an idiot And she walks away from the table And Ellen Pompeo is literally like Our waitress is a fucking idiot Like
Starting point is 00:44:01 She came out here like Doof doof doof Like she's a fucking idiot. And then she starts laughing about it. And then she starts making jokes about her falling down and hurting herself. It's really weird. And you see the
Starting point is 00:44:15 husband kind of be like, oh my god, we're on TV. We're on TV right now and you're being... And it's so funny to hear her real accent. She's from... I think she's from Boston or some sort of Massachusetts or something. Yeah, and it's so funny to hear her like real accent she's from I think she's from Boston or some sort of Massachusetts or something
Starting point is 00:44:28 yeah yeah yeah but you see you hear her talk and it's not Meredith Grey talking it's really funny it's so weird Ellen what a mystery
Starting point is 00:44:36 what a mystery yeah because we only know her as we only literally know her as the one character have you seen the interview with her
Starting point is 00:44:42 and Viola Davis and Carrie Carrie and they're like so what would you do if Grace and Adam know her as the one character have you seen the interview with her and um viola davis and um carrie carrie and they're like so what was what would you do if grace madame ever stops and she's like well um i don't think it ever will but uh if it does i won't be acting anymore and they're like why why and she she actually said something that i thought was so cool she was like i don't find acting very empowering and i was like oh that's cool she's like i think i would like produce i was like oh you're you're pretty cool yeah i think she's totally cool that's so funny i need to watch this punk but you should i need to watch that too
Starting point is 00:45:15 i want to burn i want the whole world to burn down i want to see everyone's true colors also i mean shonda may or may not have had a hand in making Sarah Ramirez bisexual by writing her character as a lesbian. Is Sarah Ramirez bisexual? She came out as bisexual like a year ago, which is great. But like, I don't know if like the character had anything to do with it. I don't know about that, Beau. That's an interesting thesis. I think Shonda Rhimes made Sarah Ramirez bisexual.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Well, after I played a a lesbian I realized I was bi Well it's like That freaking orange Is the new black writer Who realized she was lesbian She was gay After she like Kept writing these
Starting point is 00:45:51 These queer women I think There's something to it Really is that how She discovered that And then she fucking Just married Samira
Starting point is 00:45:58 Yeah So I mean I think I think there's something About TV I've also heard Open it up Open it up What's inside of you TV. I've also heard. Open it up. Open it up.
Starting point is 00:46:05 What's inside of you already? I've heard that Taylor Schilling is also a lesbian. Oh, yeah. I've heard she's bi. I think she's in a relationship with a woman. A famous woman. I don't know who it is. I'm losing it right now.
Starting point is 00:46:17 But I feel like she's closeted. I think you and I saw her come out. We got off at JFK and we saw her come out. She was in the car in front of us at JFK. Did we? Where was that? I think this was Orlando. No.
Starting point is 00:46:33 And she fucking came out and I was like, that's Taylor Schilling. Oh my God. What a guy. Maybe you forgot about that. Well, ask Dave because I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were literally very high the whole time.
Starting point is 00:46:43 I remember this very vividly. The fucking Taylor Schilling. That's crazy. The first season of that show, I was like, this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were literally very high the whole time. I remember this very vividly. The fucking Taylor Schilling. That's crazy. The first season of that show, I was like, this is the best television show I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I stopped watching. The most famous person that I've seen come out of a car
Starting point is 00:46:54 is Anna Hathaway. Anna Hathaway. Anna Hathaway. Was she getting out of the car and Meryl Streep was in the car and she was like, everybody wants to be us. And Anne was getting out because she quit. Yeah, that was it. I was on set for Devour's product
Starting point is 00:47:08 in Paris, France, on location. To Emily. To Emily. You did do it. To Emily. What a delicious performance. Oh my God. This is like our 20th time
Starting point is 00:47:20 talking about Devour. Yeah, but you know what though? But for a cultural podcast, I want it on every episode. All Alright, let's talk about a new movie. What movie haven't we talked about? I don't know. You've listened to every episode. I have listened to every episode. Hold on, there is a movie I want to talk about because I was thinking about you, Tim Murray,
Starting point is 00:47:33 the whole time as I was watching it last weekend. Tim Murray, famously on the first I Don't Think So Honey live episode. Gagged it. I Don't Think So Honeyed, Harry Potter fans, and Harry Potter bullies. Harry Potter bullies, excuse me,
Starting point is 00:47:47 and that is a specific term. And he instead proposed, instead of a Harry Potter theme park, a Practical Magic theme park. I've never seen it, but I have to. I saw it last week with Anna and Mike.
Starting point is 00:48:00 And it's not a good movie, but it's a good... There's great performances in it, but it's not a good movie. but there's great performances in it, but it's not a good movie. Want to know something horrible? Please. I've never seen Dr. Go-Man.
Starting point is 00:48:11 It was for the comedy. I was playing a character. It was for the comedy. Great, great, great. I was playing a character. And so you did your research, and so you had that reference tucked away.
Starting point is 00:48:17 I had it tucked away. That's genius. Because I said, in my head I was like, do I say The Craft? Do I say, in my head I was like, here's some witch movies,
Starting point is 00:48:24 and then I was like, I'm fucking I love it I love it because the craft is very first thought like everyone will fall back on the craft
Starting point is 00:48:30 practical magic is like a nice deep cut and I love that you referenced it even though you hadn't seen it because I feel like we should not I feel like
Starting point is 00:48:37 more people should do that I don't find a problem in doing that and referencing something that is not familiar to you I think it's I do it all the time the reference
Starting point is 00:48:43 yeah we're not getting we're not gonna get a quiz on it exactly it's not a fucking until you come on a podcast and they're like let's talk about that movie
Starting point is 00:48:50 and you're like I mean we don't have to talk about it I was just I thought of you I love that you thought of me that's so sweet and my problem with the movie is that it didn't know
Starting point is 00:48:56 if it was gonna be a thriller a romcom or you know what did it end up being like a fucking Franken movie of all three of those of these things
Starting point is 00:49:04 it was like it wanted to be a thriller a romcom and like a fun like Nancy Me franken movie of all three of of those things it was like it wanted to be a thriller a rom-com and like a fun like nancy myers-esque movie it was crazy it was wild it's nicole kidman playing like the confident witch no it's it's sandra bow playing like the main witch like the like the the one who wants just like your normal cypher like you can project anything you want on her and nicole kidman is like the rebellious sister. And then it's very Thelma and Louise too because Nicole Kidman ends up dating this vampire who holds her hostage
Starting point is 00:49:31 and then they kill the vampire and then they bury the vampire and then their aunts are played by, and it's very Sabrina the Teenage Witch, their aunts are played by Stockard Channing and fucking Diane Wiest. Oh, wow. That's so great.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Great cast. And a young Evan Rachel Wood is in the movie, too. Plays Sandra Bullock's daughter. So it's a great movie, well cast, but it's also, it just doesn't know what it is, and it was just kind of unwatchable by the end. But, you know, it's in the lexicon. It's in our lexicon.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Speaking of witches. I was just literally going to say those exact words. What are you going to say? I was going to say that Michelle Pfeiffer is back on screen. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. And I can't bring myself to see it. I don't think I'm going to go see it.
Starting point is 00:50:20 The news feed is a disaster. It's crazy. Everyone's freaking out about it. I've never seen such hate for a movie. Did you hear that it received an F CinemaScore rating? So this is what happens when all movies come out. What this company does is they go to five random cities nationwide, and they poll many audiences coming out of the theater to give the movie a score.
Starting point is 00:50:45 A, B, C, D, or F. Like a numerical grade. Not numerical. Like an alphabetical grade like you would get in school. So famously, this can really prove to say
Starting point is 00:50:59 how a movie's gonna do based on word of mouth because it's really the audiences that drive the box office. Like the reviews help. Right. But ultimately. But I think a lot of people
Starting point is 00:51:07 are going to go see Mother because they see Jennifer Lawrence and they see like a 70% score on Rotten Tomatoes which isn't bad. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:15 However, it got an F for CinemaScore which is like unprecedented. So everyone hated it. Almost everybody gave it an F and usually you can,
Starting point is 00:51:24 usually someone likes a movie. And usually you can, usually someone likes a movie. Like, for example, like, one of the highest scores of the past 10 years has been The Blind Side. The Blind Side got an A+. It got an A-plus cinema score, and Hidden Figures also
Starting point is 00:51:39 had an A+. Oh, that's cool. So, basically, these crowd-pleaser movies that, like, have mass appeal, they'll get these very high scores, and those areaser movies that like have mass appeal they'll get these very high scores and those are the movies that have a lot of legs the box office
Starting point is 00:51:50 I believe Wonder Woman also did really well I think it got an A so these movies have real legs but if you get an F that usually means the movie's fucking DOA
Starting point is 00:51:58 oh wow so it got an F and that's happened like five times I think it might be like a producer's type thing where it's like such a dud
Starting point is 00:52:04 that people will want to go see it. I mean, I have no desire to go see it, but people are talking about it like crazy. People are talking about it and that's a rule of culture. Get the people talking. Here you go. All press is good press.
Starting point is 00:52:15 But it makes me mad because there's nothing I want to do more than go see Michelle Pfeiffer in a movie. Oh, hell yeah. Like, I fucking love Michelle Pfeiffer. The children have forgotten. The children have forgotten. There will never be a Catwoman like Michelle Pfeiffer. The children have forgotten. The children have forgotten. There will never be a Catwoman like Michelle Pfeiffer.
Starting point is 00:52:28 No, no, no. Eartha Kitt was great, but honey, Michelle Pfeiffer was it. I even thought Anne was great. And she was amazing in Hairspray, the movie. She's amazing in everything. Oh yeah, Grease 2, come on. She's one of the, I think, of the past like 30 years, she's one of like the iconic
Starting point is 00:52:43 faces on screen. I agree. agree she's amazing and we think that imagine what the generation above us would say if they were sitting around oh i know that's she's like one of the gay the like the like the gays up the gays one generation of the gays up yeah live for the five at the townhouse right now they're talking about michelle five but i was actually reading an article about her which is an interesting article because she's been nominated for Oscars like several times. Yeah. And actually has quite a like versatile like talent. Like she does like period film.
Starting point is 00:53:15 She does like superhero movies. She does like traditional like contemporary romantic comedies. Like she's got everything on her like resume but what i read about her in this article this i thought was a pretty astute observation was this happens sometimes with actresses she's so gorgeous that you don't take her super seriously as an actress and she's like too talented to be like super commercial. I relate to that so much. It's like you got that model face and those like abstract talents.
Starting point is 00:53:53 And just so much talent. And immeasurable talent. And you're just like, I don't know how to process this. That's so true though. That really, yeah. Right? And the way that like, you know, the big box office actresses are like, of her her generation were like Sandra Bullock, Meg Ryan, Julia Roberts. Not actresses that I think at the time of their peak, you could give them any script and they'd make it work.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Or they'd heighten the material. Michelle could. Right, but she never was a box office sensation in the way that like – She's never been this draw like let's go see the new Michelle Pfeiffer movie right
Starting point is 00:54:28 wow and I thought that that was an interesting article and I got it because she is so striking and she is so good like you you usually walk away
Starting point is 00:54:37 from a movie with her in it and remember her yeah and people are saying that about this movie I mean that's cool I mean I do want to support that
Starting point is 00:54:45 I do want to support her I think we can just start this campaign to just really like get her to number one on the IMDB star meter I want
Starting point is 00:54:53 let's get Michelle to number one to number one I want her to just make such such a huge groundswell of a comeback
Starting point is 00:55:02 well they're saying that she might get an Oscar nomination for it. I sure hope. I sure hope. Because that is such a real thing. It's like, we know that about the industry. It's not about talent. If it were about talent, all these theater actresses that I'm obsessed with would have
Starting point is 00:55:15 been box office draw. But no, it's about like Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock. Accessibility. Usually it's about whiteness. And it's about accessibility. And like, who is someone we can put on the freaking screen that is approachable, and someone in the middle of Nebraska wants to come watch in a theater. Right.
Starting point is 00:55:34 And the thing is, I think right now there's really only been one, and it's Jennifer Lawrence. And I think with this one. Emma Stone, though. Well, I think Emma Stone is close. Yeah. Someone actually said that recently. They think Emma Stone is like the next Julia Roberts in a way. And I think that that's pretty astute. Maybe, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:51 But it seems like Emma Stone draws a certain vitriol that Julia Roberts never did. People fucking hate Emma Stone. I feel like people did back in the day hate Julia Roberts. Really? I don't know. I just, I get that feeling.
Starting point is 00:56:10 Because she was liked by women and men, which is, they say what you need. Right, right, right. Sure, sure, sure. That's the whole thing. Emma, just from stories I've heard, is like a cool fucking person. That's what I hear, too. I've heard that, too. Jessie Britta Filter, our friend, was her roommate in LA. What?
Starting point is 00:56:23 Oh my god, what? Yeah. Britta? They grew up together and then, speaking of drag queens, I gotta plug, Tammy Spanx. Tammy Spanx? I don't know what you guys are all doing on a Sunday night, but you gotta get your ass to
Starting point is 00:56:33 Barracuda to see Tammy Spanx. And Britta Filter, go see all those New York queens. Yeah, Britta's fucking amazing. Britta's gonna be one of those household named drag queens. Britta Filter's gonna be on Slumber Party on my channel. Can't wait. Wait, but she lived with Emma Stone.
Starting point is 00:56:48 She calls her Emily. Yeah, because that's her real name, right? Yeah, they grew up together in Arizona. They moved to L.A. together. Then Emma Stone started to do pretty well, I guess. She's doing pretty okay. Yeah, she's doing okay. Now they're saying that she might be up for an Oscar again for playing Billie Jean King.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Apparently she's better in this movie than she was in La La Land. And if she hadn't won last year she would be a slam dunk. Oh dang. That's what everyone said. I'm excited for that movie. I'm really excited for that movie.
Starting point is 00:57:12 I can't wait. I didn't really know that this was like an event. Like historic event. Oh no, this is like a big one. I don't know as much about it either
Starting point is 00:57:20 but I'm excited for the trailer. Totally. From being like a little sports kid I knew about Billie Jean that's cool yeah like this was like it was exactly that it was called the battle of the sexes between this like chauvinistic idiot yes yeah and who was like kind of like the John McEnroe of his time sure and Billie Jean King who was at the time a closeted lesbian uh women's tennis champion right and he was like, let's do
Starting point is 00:57:46 this. It'll be good for the sport. It'll get excited. And also, you know, whatever, I'll beat you. And don't be a pussy. Do it. And she beat him. She beat him. That's awesome. And now Battle of the Sexes is just this norm in tennis. I sound so stupid,
Starting point is 00:58:02 but am I correct? There are tennis events where it's like battle of the sexes, and it's just like male versus female. And it's just like modeled after that. I think it's one of those things that's like you can't duplicate.
Starting point is 00:58:17 Of course not. But they try. Totally, totally, totally. Where's my movie about Monica Salas getting stabbed? What? I didn't even know that this happened. Okay, hello. Monica Salas wins a match. Hello. She walks over to her fans, says, hello, fans.
Starting point is 00:58:30 A fan stabs her in the shoulder with a knife. No. And she survived? She's totally fine. Thank God. I mean, oh my God. Was it her tennis arm? Which one's your tennis arm?
Starting point is 00:58:44 Bitch, I don't know. Both, I think. Which one she swing the't know which one she's swinging the club which one she's seeing the club i'm just i mean that is like a number i think 30 9 30 30 rule number 30 of culture your tennis arm is the one you swing the club that's like a that's like a sort of a nancy kerrigan type thing it was a big wait and I'm happy to return to this because I can't believe we just talked about Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan without talking about
Starting point is 00:59:10 the film that's coming out yes I, Tonya I, Tonya it's called I, Tonya can't believe and it stars
Starting point is 00:59:19 Margot Robbie and Allison Janney as the mother and I'm hearing it's basically Drop Dead Gorgeous on steroids what which I and I'm hearing it's basically Drop Dead Gorgeous on steroids which I'm
Starting point is 00:59:28 I'm here for and also I'm getting different accounts of it so like I'm reading a lot of first of all I cannot wait
Starting point is 00:59:34 to see this movie I'm so down for it you don't even understand are you reading different accounts about whether or not Margot Robbie thought Tanya Harding
Starting point is 00:59:39 was a fictional character no okay also I want to get Margot Robbie off the hook for this okay yeah yeah yeah because like you were just saying, she is from... She might have missed it. She is from
Starting point is 00:59:48 a different country. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll never... She's from a different country. I need to be known that I'll never let anyone off the hook for not knowing Katanya. But that is... I mean, it's the Olympics. It's an international event. So, who knows? She's our age. I know about those Canadians who... Or, no, Russians who... I guess I don't know.
Starting point is 01:00:03 The Russians... Wait, are you talking about the controversy? The figure skating? The doubles. The doubles. Yep, the Canadians. They were Canadian, right? Oh, God. Russian? Canadian? Okay, but it wasn't on the level of Tanya and Neil. No, not at all. I mean, it was a controversy in its own right, but it wasn't one
Starting point is 01:00:19 one's crazy stupid husband trying to break the other one's knee yeah yeah yeah right after a practice right right right so nuts it's insane
Starting point is 01:00:28 but the different accounts I'm hearing are that it's a good and like dramatically potent and humanizes her
Starting point is 01:00:37 yeah or that it's like a crazy ass campy campy ass characterization of her where that like weirdly
Starting point is 01:00:44 asks you to be on her side but... I'm down for either or a version of both. All I know is that Tonya Harding was happy with it. They said the director and Margot were being interviewed and they said that she was
Starting point is 01:00:59 great during the process and she was shown the movie and that she was pleased with it. I'm sure she's pleased. Like, she's getting all this attention again. Yeah. That was always the goal, honey.
Starting point is 01:01:10 She wanted to be out from eighth place and up in the spotlight. Yeah, and she wanted to sell her life rights, honey. But it's not attention that she wants. I, well...
Starting point is 01:01:19 You don't understand. If you know Tanya Hardy, I mean, she wanted any attention. That's why she was so fascinating. She cried why she was so fascinating. She cried when she was doing her performance and was like, my shoe, my shoe, let's get my dog.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Have you seen the 30 for 30? 30 for 30? It's the documentary that a lot of this is based on. It's a crazy, you have to, Tim. If you love Tanya, you have to go watch, I think it's like on Netflix or something. It's a 30 for 30, which is like an ESPN documentary series based in sports
Starting point is 01:01:46 but this one about Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan is amazing it's like modern day interviews with Tonya and she's basically
Starting point is 01:01:54 looking at the camera like it took everything from me all I wanted to do was skate all my life it took it all it took it all my mother
Starting point is 01:02:03 my husband it took it all and I took it all. My mother. My husband. I took it all. And it's so. You don't know what to believe because. She's like, of course I didn't know. But she's so. Like. She's so worn down by the years.
Starting point is 01:02:18 I know. That you're like, I don't know what to believe. She was in a desperate situation. There you go. Right there. That is why that story is huge situation. There you go. Right there. That is why that story is huge and important and is fascinating because like
Starting point is 01:02:28 just that effect that effect of that event on her life. Huge, dramatic, Shakespearean, everything. Yeah, it is Shakespearean and that's why they call it I, Tanya.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, think of this and I will advocate for Tanya for this for a second. She's head and shoulders the most talented skater there. She was the first to do the triple axel. Tanya Harding? Tanya Harding.
Starting point is 01:02:52 She was the best, apparently. I don't know. I don't have the tape in front of me. But she was the first woman to ever complete the triple axel on the ice. And Margot says they were shooting the movie and she was like okay we'll just get a double to come in and do the triple axle and then everyone on set that was like tasked with that was like no you don't understand like there's really very few people in the world that can actually do that and you can't get them to come here and do it and look
Starting point is 01:03:21 like you i mean like that is wild and it's so funny that the narrative that ended up taking hold was that she's like was white trash and that she was poor and like and you like that's what you remember and you don't remember that she was this amazingly skilled figure skater well because they grade also based on presentation right and that's where she would get knocked and also when
Starting point is 01:03:39 she was in the actual competition she was very bad yeah like I remember being like and Nancy Kerrigan was un- fucking believable like I remember watching her and just being like wow she is powering through this knee injury and I thought she did a
Starting point is 01:03:56 triple axel I don't know that she ever did it I know that Tanya was definitely the first that's see I flip-flopped so much that I just I don't remember which one it was, but I do remember. In this moment now, whose side? Tell us.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Oksana Bayul. I'm sorry? Oksana Bayul! Oksana Bayul, who got, that was a trick question. Who beat Nancy Kerrigan, I'm pretty sure,
Starting point is 01:04:17 for the gold, and, You were supposed to say Michelle Kwan. I love Michelle Kwan. I had a Michelle Kwan poster as well, and she was, all of these women had the most incredible
Starting point is 01:04:27 outfits. And they would just they would dance to this music. They were all honestly all of them. Even a little later I was still into like Tara Lipinski. Tara of course. But Michelle is I'm going to say it
Starting point is 01:04:43 the Hillary Clinton if that you're skating never got the gold never had the moment she deserved the moment she deserved because she was she was so old worthy
Starting point is 01:04:51 I'll never forget watching Sarah Hughes win the gold medal and they just with that horrible haircut don't get me started yeah but she deserved it I mean she turned it out
Starting point is 01:05:00 she was incredible but I remember they just cut to a closed door and it said Michelle Kwan and she obviously the vibe was that she was not I was such a Michelle Kwan fan that I truly couldn't handle
Starting point is 01:05:14 I was happy for Sarah Hughes because that was truly amazing skating I want a Michelle Kwan biopic now Constance Wu make it happen and Michelle Kwan campaign for Hillary because you know what? It's the same narrative. These women who work so hard
Starting point is 01:05:28 who do not get what they so desperately deserve. Michelle Kwan, Hillary Clinton, Alexis Michelle. Alexis! You're a monster. Fuck you, Tim. Alexis is great. We've gone on record. She might have hired me at DragCon and she looked fucking flawless.
Starting point is 01:05:44 She looked great at DragCon. Did you go to DragCon? Okay, here's the thing. Little T, can we share this tea? Share the tea. We- Oh, we did. Yeah, this is tea.
Starting point is 01:05:52 They reached out to us to moderate a panel. Oh my God. Not even moderate. I think it was to be on a panel or moderate something. We were options as moderators and then they reached back out
Starting point is 01:06:02 and they said that their programming changed. But will we like passes? Will we like be like these free passing we said of course and then it just the weekend went by and it was just one of those weekends where we were just like oh there's a million other things going on i'm not gonna go all the way to the javits center like it was you know what it's you know what i respect go ahead and i went and i went to the one in la and it's it's great it's wonderful it's i mean it's very transparent that it's just like merch merch merch merch merch merch which is cool Merch, merch, merch, merch. Which is cool.
Starting point is 01:06:26 If you're not trying to spend the money to take those pictures with those queens. And we are going to do comedy with those queens. Or we have already. God willing, yeah. Yeah, you know them or you meet them. I'm not going to pay $60 to take a picture with Shay. There you go. Love you to death.
Starting point is 01:06:41 Who is your queen for the people for Tim? Bob the Drag queen is like hands down without a doubt my absolute favorite agree and even and bob and bob and i got a little twitter tiff but i still did get in the twitter i saw the tip i mean i wasn't even a tip i mean bob was just you know like bob was wrong but bob was a little salty and i was just like well here's here's how i feel here's where i'm coming from. And it was fine. And like, love Bob to death. Still, Bob is one of my number ones.
Starting point is 01:07:07 Oh, here's a little thing. Someone, some queen on Facebook was like, LOL at Shea Coulee charging $60 for a photo, but RuPaul charging $50.
Starting point is 01:07:17 She's like, girl, who the fuck do you think you are charging more than RuPaul? It was like, everyone at DragCon was talking about it. Every person you walked by was like,
Starting point is 01:07:25 but in Shay's, I will say in Shay's defense, she had a full like, Queens like Shea Coulee and Kim Chi and somebody else had like, not only the look, but the booth was an experience. It was almost like going into a haunted house. Like, it was that cool.
Starting point is 01:07:42 But, yeah, I mean, more than RuPaul. Trinity Taylor was charging five bucks and a dick pic and a dick pic I walk into DragCon somebody grabs me and goes Trinity is here
Starting point is 01:07:50 and I go oh my god oh my god and they go Trinity K Bonet and I'm like ah was Trinity at DragCon no
Starting point is 01:07:57 no merch for me what why bitch because you know what because this is what I hear Ruby told us this remember at night's up she was like yeah a lot of queens don't do drag con because the booth fee is insane. It's like $1,500 to open a booth.
Starting point is 01:08:11 No way. It's crazy. It's a fucking, it's like a bell money. It's wild. I hate that. Wait, I've heard your queens on here before. Jujubee is what you said. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:20 Like Matt and I are Jujubee and Raven. And Raven. Was Raven yours? No, no, no. The queen of my heart is Alyssa. Yeah. I mean, of course. I feel very close to Alyssa.
Starting point is 01:08:30 All of us would agree, Alyssa. I agree with that, yeah. Katya for all of season seven. But then since then, I've sort of hopped off that a little bit. Bob is just someone who we would go see. That's so cool, yeah. And we saw the full arc of Bob,. That's so cool, yeah. And like we saw like the full arc of Bob and like that is so cool.
Starting point is 01:08:46 Yeah. I think that for me, Alyssa is everything I want in that like she's just, I don't know, she's that unexplainable quality. Yeah. Like she's just that.
Starting point is 01:09:01 I went to Look Queen and saw her recently after All Start. So I did a thing with Alaska and Katya. Yes. And then literally this was the week of Drag Queens for me. Of All Stars to Drag Queens. The next week she was at Look Queen. And Preston and I went.
Starting point is 01:09:13 And I am telling you, I have never and never will again be at any show like that in my life. Tammy Spinks was standing next to me and she grabbed me and she was like, I'm so glad we got to go to a Beyonce concert together. Because that's what it felt like. She was performing the house down so funny on the mic. Kept yelling at the DJ to play better music. And it was so funny. And just was like offering free drinks to everyone in the bar.
Starting point is 01:09:40 And then the bartender would be like, you can't do that. And she'd be like, what'd you say to me? Like, just, it was the best show Alyssa is one of those people who and this kind of goes back to your thing about like something just like opening up I mean like before she was self-aware like would never have done this now that she knows her power and her humor and her spirit like everything is happening for her it's so cool before we move on to I Don't Think So. Hold on. Wait. I want to do something special. So, Tim, I want to do two things special. Here we go.
Starting point is 01:10:09 Tim just released a video called, is it When You're a Kelly Clarkson Superfan? Correct. When You're a Kelly Clarkson Superfan. So, talk to me about what your thoughts are on the new Kelly. I'm obsessed with the new Kelly. I have never heard lyrics that bad in my life and yet i think it's incredible music it is incredible music so so good and i bop to it everywhere that i'm going i think the whole album is going to be on fire i have to be great i have to i can't wait so she
Starting point is 01:10:40 played the whole album for entertainment weekly i guess and they wrote up like an here's seven songs that are gonna be like new kelly carson classics from the album there is a quote whitney houston-esque ballad called i don't think about you which is the breakup ballad for all time i heard that it is based on her leaving RCA Records, but it's written in a style of like, I'm leaving you forever, and guess what? I don't think about you. Pick me up off the floor, because I am completely denied. Yeah, I can't wait. And apparently she, this is the song
Starting point is 01:11:16 that, quote, shows off her range. As if all the other songs aren't doing that. I haven't done that. That this is the one that shows off her range. That's incredible. Amazing. Did they say Didn't I would be one of those songs? Didn't I wasn't even on the list. And Didn't I sounds amazing. Didn haven't done that. That this is the one that shows off her range. That's incredible. Amazing. Did they say Didn't I would be one of those songs? Didn't I wasn't even
Starting point is 01:11:27 on the list and Didn't I sounds amazing. Didn't I sounds like the best ones ever. So Ramin Satuda was like tweeting out from the Rainbow Room where they held
Starting point is 01:11:35 like a big party for her on the day that the two songs came out and the album announcement was made. The Rainbow Room in New York like had a big party for her and she played like seven songs.
Starting point is 01:11:44 She played six songs from the new album and walk away which she's been performing walk away a lot because i think it she thinks it fits with her new sound it's like a old song that she has that she thinks fits in with what she's doing and it might be an rca dig too uh it might be an rca the tea that she's spilling about rca is fucking piping hot the Dr. Luke thing that you posted was oof I didn't read that so basically
Starting point is 01:12:08 basically she was a co-writer on My Life Would Suck Without You but they gave it all to Max Martin no
Starting point is 01:12:16 this is right after My December which was her album that she wanted to do for her that Clive Davis was like fuck you we're not promoting it
Starting point is 01:12:22 and they're like learn your lesson you want to make no money you want people lesson. You want to make no money. You want people to work for you that make no money. Then do what you're doing. Such bullshit. And then she said, okay, fine. And all I ever wanted was kind of like her red flag album.
Starting point is 01:12:33 Like, okay. She said one thing. She said, I don't want to work with Dr. Luke. She said, I'll work with anyone else. Don't make me work with him. Literally no one but this person. The very first single, they're like, you're going to work with Dr. Luke. She says they're like you're gonna work with dr luke she says i'm not gonna work with dr luke they forced her to do it or they were they told her
Starting point is 01:12:51 they wouldn't release her album because i think she had a very bad experience recording since you've been gone with him i have a feeling he was verbally abusive towards her in the studio that's like where that's like the the the the t that hearing. Burn RCA down, bury Dr. Luke in the words of Matt Rogers, bury Clive Davis. But she, bury Dr. Luke. Clive Davis is a fucking, is seeing it in himself, I think. And I think he's one of the reasons why Whitney is dead. Thank you! But the fact is, Kelly.
Starting point is 01:13:20 Tim and I just shared a look. We're like, yeah. Kelly, like, changed a lot of the lyrics to My Life Would Suck Without You and deserved a writing credit. And they said, so do you want a writing credit? And she said, I don't want my name near his. She said, I don't care how much money I'm going to lose. They can have it as much as they want.
Starting point is 01:13:37 She's like, I want to send a message to the people that work with me that this is not what's important to me. She was pissed that they made her do that. And then she also got fucked over on that album because ryan tedder yeah was using like identical tracks already gone in halo and halo and beyonce's halo yeah beyonce's halo which of course is henceforth known as beyonce's halo well no just to make the distinction that it was right that like ryan tedder basically had the same core progression, same melodies for Already Gone and Halo. And a lot of his other songs. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:08 Honestly, if you've listened to a lot of his music. One Republic's Ryan Tedder. Oh, golly. XO is really good in here. He helped write XO. XO is great. Well, he's a talented musician. There's nothing to do with that,
Starting point is 01:14:18 but a lot of those songs sound the same. It's like these mid-tempo mega ballads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she also got fucked over on that song and was public about it at the time so she's been
Starting point is 01:14:30 very unhappy for a long time so it's cool that those videos you were showing me of her Matt was showing me
Starting point is 01:14:38 the videos of her doing stuff live and they were like look how happy she is she really does look because she's able to dress and act and do the things she wanted
Starting point is 01:14:47 because she also said recently in an interview that at RCA, they had every major female vocalist. Sony RCA, which is the whole company, they had Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Alicia Keys. They had everybody, Pink, everyone. And the way she says it is, she always wanted to make an album where she was singing soul or urban music, but they would never let her because they didn't want her to compete with
Starting point is 01:15:11 other people they had on the roster that did that. So she was always their quote unquote pop rock girl. So she always made the same music. Like, Since You've Been Gone was followed by My Life Without Took Without You, was followed by Strong Girl, was followed by all these kind of... Rock, pop, rock? Rock, pop, rock songs. And she was never allowed to do anything different. Meanwhile, if you see her live or see any of her live
Starting point is 01:15:34 performances, she just does so many more things. Everything, yeah. You know what? That's huge. And just hearing you talk about Kelly in this way in depth, it makes me so excited for the new album well there's gonna be a lot of that yeah because october 27th the album comes out and you know that i'm gonna be promoting it yes because that's my friend that's your friend that's your dear friend that's my dear friend i can't wait for you to meet her someday
Starting point is 01:15:58 oh i really want to meet her and can i tell you something i am manifesting it i want to meet her during this album cycle promotion somehow, some way. I think it'll happen. We're witches and we are holding hands right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:12 You will meet Kelly Clarkson. You will meet Kelly Clarkson. You will meet Kelly Clarkson. I will. You will meet Kelly Clarkson. This album cycle. What is it called? Meaning of Life?
Starting point is 01:16:20 It's called Meaning of Life. Meaning of Life. And I want to do one other thing. So tonight the Emmys are on. Yes. So this will air on Wednesday. So I want to do one other thing so tonight the Emmys are on so this will air on Wednesday so I want us all to guess
Starting point is 01:16:28 what will win some awards it's real close it's real close this year and we'll see who wins and that person
Starting point is 01:16:36 will buy the drinks oh that person who wins will buy the drinks will buy the drinks at Tammy Spanx on Sunday at 10pm so this is a gag category
Starting point is 01:16:44 Barracuda Barracuda A legendary venue and Tammy's following in some very big footsteps And she will fill those shoes With a plum You guys don't even understand I've never seen a drag show where I was just like Oh every single song is exactly the song I want to hear right now She is She does log rolls into the audience
Starting point is 01:17:00 She's so funny Phenomenal saw her perform in Cherry Grove this summer So great She did my comedy show Drag Court She was phenomenal it's she's so funny phenomenal saw her perform in the uh in cherry grove this summer so great she um did my comedy show drag court she was phenomenal she is really a consummate professional and so talented let's talk best drama series so i'm just gonna say the ones that have a shot at winning which is not house of cards in better call Saul so west world stranger things the crown House of Cards and Better Call Saul. So, Westworld, Stranger Things, The Crown. Few. Not, that's a limited series.
Starting point is 01:17:30 Oh, yes, of course. And there is Handmaid's Tale. And you're saying, I think you're saying it's Stranger Things. You're leaning towards Stranger Things. Well, I have a feeling that Stranger Things is going to win. Yeah. I'm actually, do we have to compete with you? Or can we agree?
Starting point is 01:17:45 You can agree. I really want Stranger Things to win, so I'm going to also assume that too. I think Stranger Things is... Maybe Handmaid's Tale is the biggest competition? No, but Matt is saying this, and I don't know if this applies to the show overall, but Matt is saying with the best actress
Starting point is 01:18:01 in a drama series category, Elizabeth Moss is not going to get those votes because of the whole Scientology thing. I think people are sensing a lot of hypocrisy in her, and that's not going to rub off well, despite the fact that she is very overdue for an Emmy because she went all those years without winning. And she probably does deserve to win,
Starting point is 01:18:19 but I just don't think people are down for the Scientology thing anymore, especially because Lea Remini's show won. Yeah. And in Hollywood, that's such a thing. think people are down for the Scientology thing anymore, especially because Leia Remini's show won. I think there's a message being sent. And in Hollywood, that's such a thing. It's like a statement to be like, I'm going to vote against the Scientology. It's an interesting category because Westworld has the most
Starting point is 01:18:35 nominations of any show. It's tied with SNL. And that would ordinarily mean that people would want that would be the one to win. But also there's the crown which like a lot of people like and a lot of people feel like netflix is due for a win and it's like the prestige kind of royal show that usually does well at awards such as news i think quick tangent do you guys miss the time when we all were watching the same thing yeah of course
Starting point is 01:19:01 yeah we you all had like the one i this is maybe an insane thing to say but i think this type of thing has a lot to do with the election to tie it all in that we like have our generation is so used to having everything so catered to us down to our tv shows yeah that they were like no bernie no hillary no trump no no no no uh up moon to pick jill stein yeah it's like their version of like, you can cater what comes in your newsfeed. You can cater what you look at on Instagram. You can cater what TV shows you watch.
Starting point is 01:19:33 Like everything is so individualized that we deserve. We shouldn't have to conform to two parties. We should like, and I just think it's so nuts. It is. It's a very millennial thing. I just want to say one thing. I do miss those days.
Starting point is 01:19:44 Sudie Green is at the Emmys right now and she just sent a picture of her dress. Can you fucking gag at this? Oh my god, red. Look. Oh my god. She looks so good. She looks phenomenal. I'm saying red for filth. She's wearing this amazing red dress. She looks incredible. She looks like fucking Alaska in her perfume commercial.
Starting point is 01:20:00 Are you ready for me? Alright, let's move on. This right, so let's move on. Yes. Okay, this is huge. It seems like you've got one prepared. I sort of have one. So how about you go first, Matt, and I'll time you.
Starting point is 01:20:13 Okay, I will go first. And this is, of course, I Don't Think So Honey. This is the big old thing in our show here. And Tim Murray has slayed before, and he will probably slay again. But first, me. Here we go. First, Matt Rogers. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. Time starts now. our show here and tim murray has slayed before and he will probably slay again but first me here we go first matt rogers this is matt rogers's i don't think so honey time starts now i don't think so honey the modern renaissance of horror movies bitch i am not gonna be squealing and squirming and chirping watching these movies it that is not it i am not going in there the first time i saw
Starting point is 01:20:42 that clown i said there's something fucked up about that clown. Now I hear it's ripping off kids' arms, dragging them under, eating them. No fucking thank you. I don't like. Scary! Mother? Exclamation point? I don't think so, honey. How about a question mark? How about a question mark at the end of mother? Mother? I don't think so. I answer that with a
Starting point is 01:21:00 no. I answer that question with a no. I don't like to be afraid. How about this happy death day? No, bitch. I don't like to be afraid. How about this happy death day? No, bitch. I don't want to watch a girl die again and again. I don't think so, honey. And I know it's going to do well.
Starting point is 01:21:13 Because guess what? All these teens are figuring out that horror movies make them come. And I'm not into it, bitch. Stop it. Get your hands off of each other's crotches. Go home. Watch a kind comedy with Sandra Bullock, bitch. And that's one minute.
Starting point is 01:21:33 I don't think so, honey. We're gonna go see Happy Death Day and we're gonna love it, I think. It better be comical. It better be scary and funny like Scream. I think it'll be scary and fun like Scream. Not necessarily funny,
Starting point is 01:21:46 but fun. And teens coming to horror movies, that's where they go. That's where the teens go. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey
Starting point is 01:21:59 and forgive the basicness of this, the MTA, bitch. Today, I had to go meet Tim Murray and Henry Kapurski for something I was so excited to do to help them with their video, and it took me 55 minutes
Starting point is 01:22:12 for what should have been a 20-minute commute, bitch. I don't think so, honey. The MTA. This was the longest commute in my 57 fucking years in this garbage city. It was horrible. I hated every minute of it. It was sweaty. All the lines were down. Every line.
Starting point is 01:22:28 30 seconds. Every line. And honey, I took the bus today too. I did the subway and the bus, honey. Yes, that's right, MTA. You cannot, don't poke holes in this because I took every single vertical in your stupid, stupid umbrella. And I hated every minute of the bus. I hated every minute of the train.
Starting point is 01:22:44 You better get your act together. I go to Europe, and it's such a better experience. I go to Asia, forget it. It's amazing. MTA, you have a lot of catching up to do. And Cuomo, you better fucking do right by us. That's one minute. Cuomo, you better do right by us.
Starting point is 01:23:01 You better be a do right man. You better be a do right man. Because you know what? Oh, God. And I know that it's so boring to shit on the MTA, but they deserve every word of hate that comes their way. Today was crazy. And I felt so bad for you because we didn't care at all, but everyone was having that
Starting point is 01:23:18 same problem. Everyone was late. I had a fucking actually really good experience today. Okay, whatever, man. No, you were late to this. What are you talking about? I was three minutes late. Three minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Starting point is 01:23:29 Here we go. This is Tim Murray's I Don't Think So, Honey. I can't wait. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People who slide into my DMs to ask about my friend. If you are sliding into my DMs, honey, you better be talking about me, honey.
Starting point is 01:23:48 You better be talking about how handsome I am, honey. You better be talking about how funny I am, honey. You better be donating $100 to my Patreon account so that I can make more comedy videos, honey. Patreon. Honey, you're garbage, honey, if you're doing that, honey. And you, what?
Starting point is 01:24:02 You look at my Instagram, you see a conventionally hot guy, so you click on his link. 30 seconds. And then you go to his page and you see him shirtless and you think, that's hot, honey? Funny is hot, honey. Oh, you're not attracting me because I'm posting pictures of me in wigs, honey? Fuck off, honey. Gay men in comedy and women in comedy are not here to be your clowns, honey.
Starting point is 01:24:20 We are fully realized sexual beings, honey. And I'm not, you're trash. And I'm not going to get, I'm not going to have my friend take you out Because we already did the chores this week, honey You don't need me to get laid, honey Because you can go fuck yourself That's one minute Wow, amazing
Starting point is 01:24:39 That is a great button You might be iconic You might be Iconique I be. Iconique. Will I hang in the All-Stars Hall of Fame with Pat Regan in Alaska? We'll have to find out at the next I Don't Think So Honey Live.
Starting point is 01:24:54 And there might be a little format switch up. Maybe we've been talking. Real quick before we sign off, I have to get sentimental on you both for a lame moment. I Don't Think So Honey Live. And to listeners, if you haven't been to don't think so honey live you gotta i don't think so honey live part one was the week leading up to it was the worst week of my entire life i like don't even want to fully get into it but basically like dark dark dark shit was happening i kizzled
Starting point is 01:25:18 everything that was happening and i was like i'm going to keep this one thing because i just need like one moment to like take my mind off what's going on in my personal life. And I went to that show. And when I die, I will think about like the happiest moments of my life. And being on that stage and like you guys squirting me with water is one of them. That and seeing Idina Menzel. At this very day. But truly, I was going to write you both a handwritten thank you note
Starting point is 01:25:46 about what it meant to me you should've you should've done that I did it's called What Happened don't you hold that book up Tim no you were phenomenal and that just warms our hearts
Starting point is 01:26:02 and you're bringing joy to the kids and thank you for that. Someone out there is listening. And we are so excited that you are making as much stuff as you are. And you always bring my... You lift my day up whenever I see you. I really, truly adore you both. You've had such a positive impact on my life.
Starting point is 01:26:20 I'm going to cry. That's enough. We are crying here. We are crying over there. We are crying here. We are crying over there. We are crying everywhere. We are crying. We are crying over there. We are crying everywhere.
Starting point is 01:26:43 We are crying everywhere we are crying everywhere we are crying over there we're crying this is classical teresa's podcast my name is
Starting point is 01:27:03 my name is Mateo Rogelios. My name is... That's Tim Murray. We love you. Bye. Forever. Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsey, and Brett Baum.
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