Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Which Eye?” (w/ Lisa Rinna)

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Matt + Bow welcome their new pal, noted pop culture icon and famous M&M Lisa Rinna to Las Cultch. The three talk about Lisa Rinna as Hollywood Rorschach, how Real Housewives can feel like professional wrestling, and learning to think out loud on reality TV. Also, the decision to return to reality TV with Traitors season 4, Rinna’s sartorial vibe in high school, and the culture that made Rinna say culture was for her: Dynasty. All this, first getting together with Harry Hamlin, watching her daughters become supermodels, where Lisa’s relationship with Andy Cohen stands today and how she looks back on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Let’s TALK about the husband and so much more. We’ll see you on January 7th for new episodes of Las Cultch.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, goodness. Wow. Las cultureistas. Ding dong, Las Coulteristas calling. It's a day of days. It's the days of our lives, really.

Oh. So can I tell you? tell you, growing up, my mom, Katrina Rogers, was an ABC soap person. So in our house was General Hospital, all my children, and what was the other one? Oh, my God. No, no, Passions was NBC. Pashions was later. And also, Passions had like, um, witchcraft and vampires and witchcraft. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, supernatural. Yeah, I'm forgetting the third one, but those, those, what is it? One Life to Live. One Life to Live! We forget.

And so my intro to our guest was not soaps. It was actually red carpet and hosting. Which, as we now know. Yes. I mean, now they're really dipping into like an interesting talent. We'll get into this later, but it's like Gabby wedding doing the red carpet of the VMAs. Slay. Of course.

Brilliant. Also, that is a hard job. It's very hard. This is hard work. And we will get into this into the nitty gritty. That is a really good first exposure. My first exposure. Yes.

Veronica Mars. With the amazing Harry Hamlin. And that was when I knew, I was like, there's something about this actor. She is amazing. It's one of those. It's true pop culture iconography because it's not just one thing.

It's so many different things. Obviously, our guest is a beloved, memorable fixture from the Real House House of Beverly Hills. And now has, like, I feel, had this incredible new win as like a fashion icon, which always has been a fashion icon. But it's truly walking in motion now. And I think I could call it the highlight of our awards show, of our Lost Culture, Jesus Culture Awards,

particularly one moment, all of it, but you know what the moment I'm talking about. There were several highlights, much like Kelly Clarkson's hair during the first season of American Idol. You really just went there, and by went there, I mean, showed that we are millennial gay guys. But there were several highlights.

I think one of the most, stunning streaks of the show was our guest truly giving an embodied performance. This is where you go that's right, she's an actor, she is she knows how to play in a heightened reality like this.

I thought Demi Moore was on stage in the substands. I thought to be more on stage. We had to make a big show out of announcing our guest so that the audience could tell what was happening. But I mean, I think there was just a lot of discourse and chatter the next day and in the weeks after about that being a particular highlight

of the show. Absolutely. She's an icon she's a fashion legend. She's an acting legend. We love her. She's a patron of theater because we will get into this. This is our first meeting. Yeah. Oh, yes, of course. You told me I heard about this immediately. I took my breath away. And podcaster

as well. Let's not talk about the husband. I listen to the pod. It's presented by Dear Media alongside yes, Harry Hamlin. They continue to be a very rich duo in love in life, in podcasting, and more. And more. We're so thrilled she's here.

Everyone give it up for Lisa Renna! Yes. We're so happy. That was so fun to just sit and listen to. If I could have that every day, I would just walk around like a queen. You should be walking around like a queen. You should. But the thing is, there is so much to talk with you.

about, about, like, the impact that you've had in the entertainment industry, the roles that you've played, both, like, you know, in terms of acting and in terms of, like, functioning in this industry, you are truly what it means to be like a Hollywood mainstay. Well, thank you. I certainly have survived for a very long time. Survived just the word to use. I'm a survivor. I've been around. I think I've been in the business now 36 years. Wow. But the word survive implies, like, Harold. It implies danger. Well, that's true, but this business can be like that, you know? It can. And I feel like, I feel like I'm still here, you know, because I am. I'm still here. And I've gotten to do so many great things.

Thanks to you, my last great thing I got to do was truly one of the highlights. I'm not even kidding. It won't be the final thing. No, it certainly is not going to be the final thing, unless I'm dead. No, but we're saying with the awards. We're saying with the awards, like you were welcome. welcome back. Oh, great. Fantastic. Oh, you're never going to get rid of me at this point. Love it. But that was so much fun because, again, I think when I went to do my reality stint for eight years, it's just a very long time. Yeah, you were there for a while. People tend to forget that I'm an actor. Right. That's how I began. That's what I am. So to go and play those characters was Dream Come True. It was really fun. So thank you so much. And I will say, like, when, when I think people think, you're like a little bit of a roar shock. It's It's like you think of Lisa Rana, and probably everyone that watches pop culture may think of a different thing.

Is that your experience? It is. And of late, mostly, is that damn M&M. What are your feelings, your honest feelings about the M&M? Because I imagine it's complicated. It's complicated only because I think it's so weird because I literally did that campaign 15 years ago. Right. With Joey Fetone.

Who else was it? Joy Fetone and I were doing the red carpet for the TV guide. Now, who thought of that casting? Sure. Yeah, but that's what I mean, though. That's probably when, like, you, I remember you on a carpet. I remember you on a red carpet, like, interviewing. That was, like, the Lisa Renna I first met.

All right. Well, that Lisa Renna was with Joey Fetone on the red carpet. They came to us, paid us a good chunk of money from what I remember. Do you want to be an M&M? Wouldn't she want to be? Absolutely. We would. You would be like, yes.

So it does feel like an honor them because I have to look at that in a mention. That is iconic. Oh, it's so, I mean, back then I thought it was iconic. And that was before social media. It was before everything before the damn phones, really. Right. So the fact that it came back 15 years later on TikTok is what I can't figure out. Yeah.

It's not, it's not up to us. It's not for us to know. It's not. It's sort of. It isn't, I guess. It's sort of this thing lately that I think is happening, which is it takes one person with not even a big platform, with the right platform to say, I want to, I even feel like that a little bit with the cultural war

it's like some of the pulls from like new culture and old culture we feel like we're rolling the dice like it's like are people gonna remember this reference and then they do and it suddenly gets life you know but I do think that's what we're living in right now

because the Lisa Rinna Eminem is an iconic image if the right person puts that forth we can expect in 2025 going forward that that might just dominate exactly But you don't think it's an accident, though, because it's like, on the one hand, there's something totally, let's say, random about the M&M coming back.

But then on the other, it's this very intentional thing that you're in control over, which is I'm going to show up to Fashion Week. I'm going to dress in like this Balenciaga to commemorate the Balenciaga of like the last whatever years. You are making choices in your own life. And then on the parallel track is like, oh, the internet just dug up this thing from 15 years ago. You know what I mean? Or we're still playing the Amsterdam episode of Housewives on the cliff. You know what I mean? Yes.

It will keep working in tandem with whatever you decide to do. And thank you very much. And thank God. Yeah. I guess, right? I think that's the beauty of it all. And it's so funny to see my kids' reaction. What do they think?

What are the girls thing? You know what? Can you imagine having me as your mom? I mean, you probably both can, but I don't know. My mom isn't dissimilar to you. And I went back and watched your first episode in season five. I was like, let me like refresh, go back to the beginning. Oh, did you?

Just in preparation for this episode. Oh, wow. And the first, I don't know if you remember this. The first moment of the family is Harry brings in a snake from the garden. And Amelia and Delilah are like, oh, get that out. And it's this beautiful moment of family. And then in you're talking how you're like, I'm never happier than when all four people are under one roof. That's the truth.

And I still feel the way, that way. Like that hasn't changed. Has not changed. Nothing's really changed, to be honest. I think now that they're older, they're just seeing. everything is being sent to them. And, you know, as mom, you don't go, oh, here, you guys want to go watch Days of Our Lives or Melrose Place or whatever. And so they're getting it sent to them now. And I think they get a kick out of me, which is good. You want your kids to get a kick

out of you. Well, also it's because they're probably now reaching the age or approaching that time when, like, they can now see you from when you were similar age to them. Yes, because there's a lot of that, especially days of our lives. I mean, that's the same age that Delilah is right now when I did that. So it really truly is, it's fascinating and it's been so fun and I'm so grateful. I mean, look what I've gotten to do for so many years. Yeah, yeah. And it changes all the time. It's because you know, you know what the thing is, and this is why we were so enthusiastic about having you at the Culture Awards and we're so excited to have you here is because you know you're always going to bring fun. And I feel like we try to center a lot of fun. And I feel like we try to center a lot of fun.

what we do. And I feel like when you arrived and you brought such a great energy to the show and such different specific energies to each of those moments and it all ended up in that moment of Law Roach giving you

the outfit of the year award for Lisa Ritter and whenever the fuck she wants. I mean, come on. That to me was the highlight of the show though was your speech. Like your speech was the highlight of the show because I felt like

and it happening on Bravo too I thought was so special. Wow, how about that? Yeah, like, That? Wow. How about that? You know what's funny? Like we were putting the show together in the edit. And obviously, you know, you were there. The show was long. We recorded for about three hours. Yes. But I said, you know what? All parts of this Lisa Renner speech have to be there because I was like, people have to understand this is going to really resonate with an audience that did know Lois, that did see the girls grow up, that is going to be happy to see you, like, winning one of the final awards of the night, even though they're silly awards.

or it's still a moment of recognition. I feel like it means something for it to happen on that network. It certainly did. And I didn't expect it. This kind of just came about, you know? And I was like, yes, yes, yes. I'll do anything. And then you came up with the skits that I would do.

Like, I had no idea what I was going to do. I was just like, yes, I'll do it. I don't care what I do. I'll do it. She's a walking outfit of the year. I will do whatever. And so the fact that it's then on Bravo. How full circle.

And I wasn't even ready for that full circle. Do you know what I mean? Like it came around and I was like, oh, maybe I am ready for it. What were the misgivings about it? Were there any? Well, yes. There were a few misgivings because my last moment on Bravo was not my finest hour. It did not feel great to me.

It just felt just murky. I wouldn't even say chaotic. It was just like, wait, so we can't, like, as an audience, I'll speak for us. Like, we didn't know how to feel about it because we're like, well, we don't, none of us can know what really happened about,

which we don't have to talk about it. But it's like, there's no resolution for the audience or for you. Yeah. But in the way that we see Lisa Brenna, this true, wonderful, prevalent figure in the Bravoverse. And then you just kind of like, go away.

And it's, there's a feeling of like unease there. Yes. And so I, I'm so grateful that you came back and did the show because it just felt, like there was a period on it finally. That's what it gave me, to be honest with you.

To be able to go back in that way, in a winning way. You know, I felt like a winner as opposed to being booed on, you know, the stage of Provo God. God, wait. I have to say, I couldn't believe that that had happened. And we weren't there for that one. But that felt really like, and, you know, we talk oftentimes about how, like, in times when it feels like you can't. It's like, the things you love the most sometimes when you're a fan of something are the things that you, like, feel you can lash out a little bit. Oh, yeah, that audience for sure.

I was going to say, it feels even more intense. So it almost feels like they weren't booing you as a human. They were booing you as an extension and to be part of the show. But still, you're up there to human being being booed. But I, you know, it's funny because I actually took it as a good thing when it happened. Because to me, even though I'm Lisa Renna on Beverly Hills Housewives, I'm a character. I mean, you're not really getting to see the full me. Like, you see this much of me.

And you see me reacting off of other women being crazy or throwing things at me, things that are not necessarily in my wheelhouse in my day-to-day life. So when I went out at first, it's funny because I was standing in line with Erica. Yeah. I had no idea that was going to happen. She says to me, they may boo you. I turned around. I was like, what do you mean? She goes, they might boo you. Just get ready. I was like, okay, I didn't even think about it. So when they did, it wasn't like such a shock because she had literally just said it to me two seconds earlier. And my reaction was like, okay, cool in the back of my mind. Because the wrestlers I used to watch on TV, the good ones got booed. I was going to bring up wrestling. But it's not wrestling, though, because there is, like, some of the conflicts are, there's a layer of stagedness to them. But it's real. But it's real.

It's real, honey. It's real. It's not like The Undertaker, the Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin walking out there. Exactly. It's like, it's Lisa Renna. It's Erica Jane. These are people who, and then, like, the seasons that proceed from that also are informed by these moments.

We're like, Bravo con, this is what happened. Like, that's the difference here. The veil between reality and the heightened version of reality is very thin. It's very thin. And like that must be, that must affect you in some way. Well, it's hard because if you come into it as an actor like I did. It's different if you come into it and you've really never done anything before. Right.

Like say Doreet. Right. She comes into it. She's done many other things, but she's never been on camera showing her real life. I think it's easier for someone like Doreet than it is actually for me. Right. to come in. Yeah.

And I can see why in the very beginning, because, you know, I was up for the show in the very beginning. Yeah. And Andy said, no, no actors. And I can see why he said that. Yeah. Because as an actor, you know,

we view cameras and directors and producers and everybody differently than if you're doing a reality show. Right. And I'll never forget. I had a meeting with everybody because I wasn't so sure about it at first. And the producer came in and he said,

I'm just going to give you some advice. Mm-hmm. think out loud you need to think out loud and I'm like what the fuck does that mean but as as an actor I went oh I need to think out loud well I certainly did yeah you know what I'm saying externalizing was not an issue for you but in my real life I never said how I felt like I mean I grew up not being somebody that was expressive in that way expressive in that way so at first it was hard for me and then of course And then was it almost liberating there for a while? It's kind of like, because I remember when I started watching Housewives,

because there was a time in my life where I was saying, just the one thing I know I'll never do is I'm not going to watch the real Housewives. And then it was like, I remember one time, it was literally I was just like, it just doesn't feel like it's for me. And I put on, I believe the first franchise I watched was New York. And I put it on and I was just like, wait, I feel like I get this. And what I really felt like improved about me from watching it was I wasn't scared to be like, hey, I have an issue with what you just did and I want to talk about it. Exactly.

It actually got me to not become a more confrontational person, but it made me understand that conflict can actually, not all the time as we see on the show, but oftentimes be resolved and make people better and make friendship stronger. For example, when you were first on the show, you and Doreet just could not have. see eye to eye until you had that conversation in the... On the wheel. In the wheel. On that wheel, that bubble wheel, weird thing in the Vegas. And then it felt like you guys never really had a major issue again. No, and that's the beauty also of that show.

If you can work through things, which, of course, in real life, you don't do a whole lot. Right, because you're not being forced to. You're not being forced to. And being forced to, I have to tell you, it was so uncomfortable. I am somebody who does not like conflict, if you can believe it. No, I can. It really, it did help me in many ways. It also helped me in my acting.

Yeah. For sure, because you really have to say how you feel. And play objectives. You have to think about how do I feel right now and express it. That's hard as a real person. Of course. But I think what you innovated in the show across all the franchises is I think you were the first housewife to break the fourth wall. And to break a glass, no.

And to break a glass. Yeah, but thank God you did. To break the fourth wall and say, I'm here to make a good TV. That is the actor in you Uh-huh Well, that's true And I can't help that I was there to make good TV

I wasn't there to make best friends I wasn't there to get a fan base to love me Right I'm not one of those people That go on Twitter and find out what everyone's saying And then skew that So that I don't be You know, don't have horrible people

But it's you and I lean starting at the same time Which was interesting And he's like no actors And then he brings on two At the same time Which was quite brilliant two soap actors at the, I mean, we both came from soaps in a sense. Yeah, we loved Eileen, too.

Oh, we miss her. Are you connected with Eileen still? I do. I mean, I talked to her from time to time, but you know, you don't work with people again. Of course. You lose that little moment. But when I see her, of course, I just, I, she's one of the special ones. Yes.

So one of the things that I feel like is a symptom of being in this business is those things happen, right? You book a job. You become close with people. And then as a result of the job ending, you, do move on, you lose touch, or you make new friends and, you know, relationships and new jobs and that purpose, it's so different in what we do. But for a show like Housewives where it is, you're performing as friends, but also it is real and you are real friends, have you kept those friends? Like, are you still close with the,

not to say your allies on the show, but the people who like had your back on the show? I am. Yeah. Like this weekend, I went to Kyle Richards' daughters, Alexia. Alexia's wedding. Oh. And she invited me herself. Alexia invited me. And I've known her since she was, oh my God. Young girl.

Yeah. A young girl. Yeah. And to me, even though I don't see those women all the time, I will go and support in love, in friendship, in all of that. Because whether we're trauma bonded or what we are, there is a bond. There is a bond there. And I love a handful of those women.

I think you all know which ones. I don't even think I have to tell you which ones. I really do. And I have dinner with them. And, you know, they did want to film me. And I said, no. I did say no to the filming at the wedding because I didn't feel that that was what it was about. Oh, they were shooting the wedding.

They shot it sort of a little bit. I mean, they had producer cameras there, which is like iPhones on steroids. Sure, sure, sure. Do you know what I mean? But I felt, no, you're not going to get me back that way. Yeah. I'm going to go and support my friend and her daughter and my other friends at this wedding. Lovely.

So I felt good about that saying, no, I'd love to come, but no, you can't shoot me. That's what you're in control. That's what you were saying earlier. I'm going to show you this much and it gets to be on your terms. Now, see, when you're doing that show, it really doesn't get to be on your terms, you know? And on a lot of, I mean, does it get to be on your terms on Saturday Night Live? No, we're expected on weeks where you're like, I've got nothing. The well is bone dry.

I still have to write a sketch that probably won't be received well. And then that's like a, like, docks against me. You know, it's that kind of thing. This is like, I want to talk about soap acting. Oh. Because this is, you guys have to be off book on reams of paper of lines. 40 pages sometimes of dialogue. 40.

I would have 20 to 40 pages of dialogue a day. How long did you do? Three years. Three years of days? Three years. Yeah. So that's, first job, really. That's Olympic.

It's Olympic. But it trains you, you know, if you don't get the chance to go to Juilliard or, you know, Yale or you get your education. Oh, honey, you get your education. You learn how to be professional because you've got 40 people waiting for you. You can't fuck around. You're like, you better know your lines. And most of the time I would be working with people that have been on the show for years and years and years that used cue cards. Because that's how after being on the show for 25 years, you got to, it's very hard to learn those lines.

Of course. So to learn how to act with somebody who's looking over here while you're here was very difficult. I could never do the cue card. So I had to memorize my lines. Got it. I mean, there is, there's a common thing among soap actors where Sarah Sherman said this when she went on General Hospital. She was like, can you guys cry on cue? All of the actors go, which I.

Which I? They do. Stop. Yes. And that's why. Which eye do you want? Oh, Deidre Hall could cry out of, she'd say, do you want left or? You're right.

Oh! Which I is title of out. Which I? Seriously. So, cut to when I had the moment with the bunny on housewives. Oh, my God. Did you which I? Here, no, no, because I never could do it.

It just happened accidentally. I could never make that happen. But I was so proud because I did it, but I didn't really do it, but I did it. No, because you were living it. Accidentally. You did it for the camera. That is, I think it's got to, it's top five of all Bravo images. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is just you glaring at her with that teal running going on. I'm telling you, the genius of their editing at times can be, I mean, come on. And the crackling of the cellophane over the bunny? We actually just, every time we go into the clubhouse, we've been lucky to go many times. But this last time where we went to go promote the cultural awards, I was like, not only am I looking at the bunny, I'm holding the bunny.

You have to. And she does crackle. She crackles. And the way that they did that in the, editing. It's so good. You know, I didn't plan that. I went and got a present.

And instead of wrapping it, they were like, do you want it in cellophane with a bow? Yeah. Like, there's no planning to it. That's the butterfly effect. That's what, that is the magic. Anytime that can happen, that's the magic. Yeah. You can't plan it.

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reveal who we truly are. Listen to Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, because I always feel like whenever we have someone on the show that's gone through the reality show process, one of the things I think is the most interesting is how it feels to see yourself edited into a character because they do have to do that.

And of course it's you, but it is there are edges they have to give you depending on what they need season to season. So leaving Housewives out of it because you move on from Housewives and now we're going to see you on the Traders. I wonder about like what it was like to, I obviously have that put to you and be like, look, here's an opportunity to do the Traders. You know it's a fun show, but it's another opportunity for us to edit you. So can you talk through what the process was just without even getting into right now what happened, getting that offer and feeling like, okay, Am I engaging? Well, at first I said, I did not want to do it.

No, no, no, no, no. You said no. Why not? Why? Well, because I watched it, and I thought, it's enjoyable to watch. I don't want to do it. Stressful? Is that way?

And reality. And reality. I just wasn't quite ready when I first, when they were first, like, dangling it. I was like, I love to watch it, don't want to do it. Yeah. But then. Then, people started to say, oh, my God, I think you'd be so great on it. Oh, my God, have you really watched it?

And I'd only watched it a little bit of it. My agents, my manager. and all those people are like, I think you should do it. I think it would be the greatest thing for you. And here's why, X, Y, and Z. So I kept getting a lot of that. A lot of that.

And listen, it's not like I don't, I will listen if it starts to make sense to me. Right. And I can start to go, okay, I authentically can understand that. And so, because it's won the Emmy, Alan just won, I think, his second Emmy. He did.

Emmy. So, you know, I know how that kind of stuff work. Yeah. So I'm no dummy going. It's a prestige reality. It's a reality show. Right? Yeah. It's different. It's a gameplay too. And it's a game. And so I did a lot of talking and research and asking questions and they were very open with me at Peacock if you need to talk to us, you know, because I wasn't sure. Yep. What really made me go, you know what? I'm going to do it is that it's a game. It's not real. So you're playing a game, which again in my mind is like, I can be an actor playing a character in a sense. doesn't have to be, like, I'm not going to go in and be mean to somebody.

Right. No. For real. It's a game. You might have to be accusational. You might have to try to trick someone into saying something, but it's a game. And I didn't see any cruelness or meanness in a sense that you can see it in the House My franchise.

I didn't see it. Interesting. Because then is the gameplay taking pressure off of you as an actor to go, I don't have to worry about making good TV in the same way that I did on House? wives. Well, you know, unfortunately, I always worry about making, I always think about making. That's not unfortunate. That's not unfortunate at all. It's just what I do. You know, it's in my mind. It is unfortunate, but that's how my brain works. Yes. It's not like I'm trying to make good TV. The producing accusation is not correct. Right. Right. You're just, you're just thinking about how to be

entertaining. Exactly. Yeah. Because I'm an entertainer. At the end of the day, I consider myself an entertainer. Yes. And you are that. Right. Yes. That's what I do. Yep. So going in was terrifying. I have to be honest. It was terrifying because, number one, I'm terrible at playing games. I'm just not a good game player. Game night is not your night. No, I'm good at Uno. That's it. So the bar's low, guys.

It's a pretty hard game to master, but yeah, sure. I'm pretty good at Uno, but that's it. So I'm not a master game player. I'm not a gamer. Yeah, right. Which is usually the show's very stacked with gamers, and those gamers know how to game any. And this season, this upcoming season, you know, look at the cat.

like they did pick some fearsome Survivor players. Winners of Survivor? Yes. Like big time winners of Big Brother. Mm-hmm. So I think that is the part that scared me. It was like, I'm going to suck, but okay, why not? Let's go try it.

And again, I always think if you can get a good piece of real estate on television. Take it. Take it. You take it. And that's what Lisa Runa thinks like. Yeah. This was a great piece of real estate offered to me. Yeah.

Take it or leave it. And I took it. that's basically it because I know I can I can do something with good real estate I can't do that much with shitty real estate but I can do something with good real estate of course it's an investment and honestly you must have known Alan right you you know you would never been Alan in all these years no wow isn't he great I am so obsessed with him yeah talk about the most professional most awesome performer yeah shows up does his job on time like Wow.

Yeah. He's like in the fabric of that show, too. Well, yeah, and he produces it also. Yeah. It matters to him. Yes. I can't talk much about it. I'd love to.

But I was so impressed with him. Yeah. I don't even know if I can say this, but I'm going to say it. Yeah. When we do the roundtable. Sure. When Alan comes in and it's such a big deal and they pipe it all up and they get you all going, he stands in the back the entire time just standing there.

You don't see him on camera. But sometimes that goes on for an hour and hour and a half. Yeah. He's standing there listening. I thought that was pretty amazing. You know what I mean? Like, I think he probably takes it seriously as the performer because it's like he knows it's his job to. He's the master of ceremonies.

He is. And to speak not dissimilar to his iconic role as the MC and cabaret. He knows what it means to set tone. Oh, and does he set that tone, honey? And I think you had to, I felt that you have to rise to the. that occasion also in your own way like everyone brings their own thing to it right and that is what was exciting i mean i think you hearing you talk about him you would be an incredible host of a show like that would be fun it would be fun now that i've watched a great host do it yeah because boy

does he deserve those emies oh yeah absolutely and you're in the drag race family you Oh, yes. Early on. What was that like season four? Season three. For three. On logo. On logo.

I miss it when it was on logo. I missed there being a lube commercial. Right? You know what I mean? Like, it used to really be for the community. I mean, at the time, nobody knew what it was. Exactly. And of course, I was like, you bet you'll do it.

Yeah, I'll go to the drag queen competition. I thought it was a coolest thing ever, but I'd never seen anything like it. Same thing, the real estate, prime real estate on TV. And like, you will do. do good with that real estate no matter. And like, that must mean that you thought our little show was, was the same. I knew it. Very honored. Of course I knew it. Look at, it's the two of you. Oh, stop. No, it's true. I'm no dummy that way. I know those things. You know those things. Oh, quickly I have to say, I caught up with Eric Nam recently and he said that he had a fabulous time.

He really likes you. I said, how was Lisa? He said, Lisa's very good. And he was very tight-lipped about it as well. You gotta be, that's part of it. Like whenever, like, so, I adore him. He's wonderful. I adored everybody, actually. Oh, good. I liked everybody. It did.

But he's special. He's very special. Like a good cast because even the housewives they had chosen, I got really excited because there's been a couple of housewives that I've been saying for a while would be really good. You've been one of them. Candace was one of them. Yeah. Love Candice.

Love Candice. Just like there was a really good, vibe and energy around it. But I just wanted to ask because another big opportunity with this show is the fashion. And now you would. you are, you know, an icon in this regard. So how long were you planning looks? How long did you have to plan looks? I had a while.

Yeah. I had a while. I thought about it for a long time because I, okay, you've got Alan. Yeah. Alan is the king of the looks. Absolutely. He is, he's it. Yeah.

So I thought long and hard about it. I could have brought fashion renna in. I could have brought couture renna in. I could have brought all of that. I didn't bring any of that in. Okay. Wow. I guess we have to...

Well, you're going to have to wait and see. You're going to have to wait and see. It's like a vibe that I put together or that we put together that just felt like it worked. We had a fitting and we just tried all this stuff on and we just created outfits and we created a vibe. There is a trader's vibe. Oh, I'm so excited. And it's nothing that you've ever seen. Wow.

Oh, that's so exciting. I mean, so I have to imagine that you and your stylist, it must be the most fun. It's the most fun. I love fashion and expressing myself that way more than anything besides acting. Because I can play characters. I can have so much fun and I'm not afraid. I'm really not afraid in fashion. And I don't know where that comes from.

I really don't know why I take the risks that I do much more than most women would do, especially even most women at my age. They just don't, they do the same thing. They don't embody something different. Well, they're afraid. Right. It's just, it's fear. It's safer to like stay in your safe, you know, lane.

Yeah. I'm like, fuck that. I want to just blow it out of the water. Yeah. I want to do everything. And I've had the time in my life. So it's fun every time. It's different.

It's just different every time. But you can tell, but you can tell you're having fun. So love it. Would you like that in high school? Like, what was your, what was your, like, sortorial vibe in, like, high school and being a young person? I wanted to. badly to be that in high school, but I grew in a very, very small town in Medford,

Oregon, and I was vilified for doing it. Like, I did it one time, and I was so bullied that I was scared to death to do it again. So I went back to like my, you know, short shorts and do you remember what it was? I know exactly. I know exactly what was it. All right, I got my first Vogue magazine at 16. I forget who was on the cover. I should remember that. But there was a picture inside, a girl wearing a sweater dress, a burgundy sweater dress, buttons down the back. I don't think anyone had ever seen back. Sure, sure. Brown suede pumps. Yeah.

Back in 19, you guys, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. 80s, 80s, 80s. Uh-huh. I wore that. It went down to San Francisco. We went shopping. I literally found that outfit.

I wore it. And no, ma'am. Uh-uh. Never again. Because they were threatened. Well, they were scared. They didn't know. I mean, I look like her.

freak to them. Because if she's rolling the dice, I might have to roll the dice, and I'm not ready to roll the dice. Oh, no, no, no, whatever it was. It was too soon, too early, too much, but it started then. It started even maybe before that, I think. So then you withdraw into what's safe. At what point do you venture back out? Well, let's see. Not too far, not too far from now. I mean, It hasn't been that, you know, think about it. Housewives, I was still pretty safe. In Housewives, I started with the wigs and wearing some. Because it started to change while you were on it.

It did start to become, we're bringing glam on vacation. Well, Erica Jane showed up. Definitely that. Once Erica showed up, we were like, oh, and then Doreach shows up, and we were like, oh, yeah. You can't. They forced us, but they forced all of us to step up. Sure. That's when it happened.

It affected all the franchises, too. It did. Yeah. It really did. So then my eyes opened up and I thought, oh. And then I started wearing wig and then forget it. Then it was just like, this is way more fun than doing the same thing I've always done. You have one of the best faces for wigs ever.

You think? You transform. Well, thank you. I'm always going to be on record saying I have one of the worst because it's still me. You can still tell that it's me. It works, though, really well. It does. And you know what?

The thing about Bowen Yang wearing a wig and especially a mustache is it. A mustache transforms me. No, it does you become sort of Dom-top-Bowen with a mustache, which we all appreciate. Wait, say that again, Dom. Dom-top-Bowen. Dom-top-Bowen. Not usually. I get it. I got it now.

Wow. Yeah. I just slow it down. You've been with a mustache is really a vibe. Anyway. But basically, like, the wig of it all, like, it looks really good for you. When you look like that, does it change you? slightly, but I'm saying there is something

transformative with you. It's true. I agree. I agree. I look at myself like, who is that? Which I love. Yes. I love, because I want to be more than one, Lisa Renna. There should be many. And there are. And there are. Like, they're all over the place. You can pick which one you want. You have an M&M for Christ's sake. Exactly.

Well, speaking of characters, we were so excited when we found out what the culture that made you say culture was for you was. We found out in advance this time. So now we'll put it to you and we'll get into it. Lisa Rina, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Dynasty. And it's such a perfect answer. Dynasty. Dynasty. Can I say that answer ties together everything about you. All of it. All of it. Okay. There you go. There you go. Right there. Do you know what I mean? I do. I absolutely do. That changed my life. Soaps, fashion, like being a like housewife, quote unquote.

You know what I mean? Yep. Grab, you know, cat fighting. Tactile. All of it. Who knew that that was going to even be my destiny when I was watching it? Think about it. But talk us through the encounter with it at first,

whatever memories you have of just like tuning into that show. I remember it was so life altering. Yeah. Coming from this small town in Medford, Oregon. And seeing these iconic women. The glamour. Crystal and Alexis. Alexis.

Alexis, I was going to say Alexa, too. Dr. Dominic. Dominique. Dominic Devereaux. Come on. Diane Carroll. It was just so visually exciting and then what they got to do and the emotions and everything they were as women.

We'd never seen anything like it. Yeah, of course. It felt like this like operatic thing where you had like Alexis standing on a balcony and like showing the fucking documents, you know, or was like Alexis. The documents. The documents, or Alexis and Diane Carroll, like, saying, oh, champagne is burnt. The champagne is burned. Like, it's so...

It's been burned in the bottle. And the outfits, the glam. Like, we had never seen anything like it. And it embodied such fabulousness. Right. That it was an escape. It was a challenge. It was life.

And you knew it was a heightened reality that it was not on this planet because, I'm going to say, as someone who grew up there, it took place in Denver. That's right, because it took place in Denver. No one in Denver looked like that. Of course. No one had hair. But here's what I'll say. When you don't know, you believe it. You believe it.

When they say Denver, because I'm from Long Island, I didn't know anything about Denver, really, until we met. You just bought that as a glamorous place. I think because you see the mountains in your mind's eye, you know what I mean? It's like you sort of think of it as Colorado. Right. And then if you thought Aspen, we didn't even know what Aspen was that. But it wasn't even, if it took place in Aspen, then I would have believed it. They get a lot of real estate from, I think, people not knowing the difference between Denver and Aspen.

I think so, too. I think. And leave it to Aaron Spelling. I mean, really? Come on. Look what he's given us. But so then, like, when you, I just keep going back to this quote because I think it is really defining for you in a way that is powerful. Like, when you think of making good TV, like that's what you think of.

You think of a dynasty because that is the formative television for you. And it's also what I want to see, I think. Yes. You know, deep. down, I want to see another dynasty. Like, that's the escapism that I think if housewives can get back to that, it's become a little bit mean. Sure.

Well, do you know when it got closest in recent memory, and we talk about this scene all the time, is when you and Denise sat down at the end of that season. And I know this was a tough season. And I know that, like, this is probably a relationship that was meaningful to you at one point and that makes it hard. Hard, hard. But you guys really knew what your assignment was on that couch when you sat down on that couch and she said, you're playing dirty and you said, oh, you're so angry.

I mean, just the two of you were doing that. And as a viewers, it's true. That must have been a weird thing because it's like, here you are. And she's obviously like, you know, has a storied career in her own right and like came from, you know, similar projects. And then you're both on this show. It's a different vibe. It's a different flavor.

but you're sitting there and you're on this couch and you guys are both looking incredible and you're looking each other in the eyes and you're doing this chess game and so it's like you're getting to actualize this thing but it's also personal. Exactly, which made it so difficult. Complicated.

Super complicated. It's one thing if you're playing a character. You can go home. I was home so I couldn't go home. I was sitting in my living room. But you know, that's what was so complicated. And that scene went on for good two and a half. half hours. You saw how much of it? Yeah. I don't even know. Really, really complicated. You know,

I wouldn't, I wouldn't wish working with any of my friends again in a situation like that. Right. Right. Because I don't think it behooves anyone. It didn't serve any of us. Right. I don't think. Ultimately, no. Ultimately no. It's better if you don't know people. Yeah. Of course, they want you to know people. So I feel that that's sad that we get into that situation on that show. And again, I go to, you know, I know how to make a good show. And that's my, I'm going to do that. Yeah. And then if your friendship gets in the way of that, which you've seen mine has a few times, it's just really sad, you know, at the end of the day. I mean, this is where like the boundaries start to, you know, be so undefined. But the corollary to that is that you are able to

have this beautiful, loving, wonderfully collaborative relationship with Harry now where you guys have a podcast. Like, yeah. But that's, that's how you. That's how you. you know, like, it's not, there's no mechanism that's, like, flawed within you. It's like, you know how to have a meaningful, loving relationship with someone that you work with, with Harry. Yes. And it's just, it's, it's disappointing when that doesn't work out, but that's life, baby. You know, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

And you can never be in someone's head. Like, I always sometimes think, like, oh, I wonder if they walked away from that scene thinking, well, we just nailed that, even though whatever. But, like, it definitely wasn't that. Yeah, no, no. I'll tell you that. Well, also, and then, and then, obviously. Obviously, over time, things reveal themselves, and it's like you never really do know what people are going through, which is, you know, a sad reality about all of that.

Yeah, truly. What I love about you and Harry's relationship is that it feels incredibly authentic through the screen and now also on the podcast. Because on the podcast, you can just listen. I listened to the episode when you had just come back from Traders. And I was like listening and I was like, I don't know this to be true, but I was like, I bet she's. not telling him what happened in like even behind closed doors. Oh not at that point I he hadn't heard anything like you have to be careful too. Yeah. Of course. Like how much because he watches it also because he doesn't want to hear about everything. Yeah. It also doesn't translate. Yeah. It doesn't translate

very well when you when you're not there when your partner's not there and you've gone through a really intense experience because it's intense. It's intense. I think anybody that you talk to, that's gone to play that game. You said on that episode it was the hardest thing you've done. Can you believe that? It's challenging. Yeah. It's super, super, super challenging.

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But just to talk about the podcast a little bit more because I really do feel like you and Harry are like such a stand the test of time thing. And what I really love about you guys is it does feel like still to this day you're like into each other. Yeah, I would say we are. I would say after 33 years. Is that crazy? Was it always? What was it, what was the vibe at first? Because he's Harry Hamlin.

I mean, he's Harry Hamlin. He was Harry Hamlin at first, and I was, I was just starting. And so I was a little bit star-struck when I first met him. Well, of course. You know, it was like, it's Harry Hamlin. I think people of our generation don't really understand that he was like. He was a big deal when I met him. He was like a Brad Pitt-ish type.

Yeah, I mean, he was the, you know, on a huge show that was watched by 30 million people. you know, L.A. Law was watched by 30 million people. There were three networks at the time. Yeah. So it was this huge show. He'd been the sexiest man alive. He'd been in Clash of the Titans. He was really a big deal.

And I was just like, oh, no, no, no, no. I just didn't even see myself in that position at all. So it took a minute. And he had just been divorced. Right. Just getting divorced. So that's not a real like, ooh-hoo, yeah, I want that. Sure, sure.

So then what was, what was like the initial sort of like? The courtship. The courtship. Well, it was all fucked up, really. That's why it's so interesting that we ended up staying together because it wasn't like love at first sight. It wasn't like it was complicated. It was fraught. It was fraught.

And it took time. I mean, we didn't get married for five and a half years. Now, is that because it was happening at a bizarre time in Hollywood? Is this like small town? Like, is, you know what I mean? No, it was just he was fucked up from his marriage. He'd just gotten out of it. Timing wasn't great.

I mean, he'd been married twice. He didn't want to get married again. Right. Like, I wasn't the stereotypical mother archetype that he usually would go for. So at first he was like, well, you're not what I'm used to. So it was challenging. We did not come right together. We fell in love.

It took time. We became friends first. Like, he tried to get me to go to Aspen for Christmas. And I said no. Yeah. I was like. Too serious. I don't know you.

Yeah. I'm going to go home to my parents in Oregon. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha. I mean, most women would go to Aspen with her family. Like, could have been good for me in a sense. I bet that made him want you more. Maybe.

I don't know, but it was authentic to me. I was just like, ew, I don't really know this guy. I mean, he was cute. He's gorgeous. Yeah. But yet I was leery at first. Leary is a great word. He drove a Porsche.

Yeah. And he was a little too like. Ostentatious, maybe. Well, he was. slick and he was gorgeous and he was a big star at the time and I just wasn't used to it. I was just like, I don't know. And then I got to know him. He called me every day for two weeks while he was in Aspen.

Wow. And that's when I got to know him and thought, it's a really good guy. I guess this is what we're asking like, you know, the beginnings of it, obviously, tumultuous. But when you're talking about then we fell in love, what was that? Like, it was the calling every day from Aspen? Like, how did you get to know each other? Because that's what, that's what, like, delayed the. foundation for all this. That's it. Talking on the phone, because we didn't have anything else.

You just had the phone. There are no cell phones. There's none of that. You just talked. We would call me and we would talk and we got to know each other over a two-week period. I think he called every day. God love him. And then when he came back, I said, he asked me out to dinner and I said, yes. And then it just blossomed from there because there was a sense of connection over I like who you are and I think he felt the same about me. You'd have to ask him. And so it blossomed from that. Now, yes, he's always been hot and that's always helpful. When you have two people that, two people that are attracted physically. When chemicals react. It's helpful because down the line, you know, that's the first thing. You start to devalue people. That's what happens in a relationship.

Oh, sure. It's very easy to do. They bug me. This is, you know, and so we're very cognizant of that also. Like if that starts to feel like it's happening, we'll go to therapy. We like, we work on it because it's not easy. Do you do therapy as like upkeep or do you do regular therapy? Both depending. Like right now we're in therapy. Because I just feel we both were like, let's do it right now. We've kind of grown in separate directions doing a lot of things. We need to come back together. Yep. Yep. So helpful. And we're not afraid to do that. Yeah, I would imagine, too, that it's also like when your kids not only grow up but become super successful and busy.

Then you're empty nesters, too. Not only empty nesters, but also like empty nesters and like, they're out there doing it. Yeah, they are. They're doing it. Thank God. Yeah. They're out there doing it. In a major way.

They are, and we're so proud. I mean, it's, you know, listen, that's what we're the most proud of is that I think that whatever we did, because, you know, You know, as a parent, you don't know what you're doing. You really don't. You just do the best you can to be there for your children and give them the best upbringing that you can. But, you know, I mean, come on. Our parents, who knew what they were doing?

Seriously. Like, we're all lucky to still be alive and be here. God love them. You do realize that at some point. I think now I'm my dad's age when he had me. And I was like, that's interesting thinking about myself having a kid right now. And a partner that's like, you know, someone that I. Think about it.

Like, God love them. God bless them and God love them. And then listen, we have to figure out what happened to us. And then God forbid what those poor kids are going to have to go through in their own therapy, how we have, you know, helped them, but how also we have given them, you know, bad habits. Who knows it happens with everybody. But both of us, Harry and myself, feel that whatever we did, because we really don't know what we did. We turned out some good humans.

Yeah. Good human beings. kind, compassionate, good girls. And I'm very proud of that. Do they remain really close? They do now. They weren't for a minute. Those girls can fight.

You know, girls can love and then hate each other. Because what's the age difference again? Three years. Yeah. It's just that Goldilocks zone where they love each other forever, but also. Oh, we went through a couple years and, whoo, very uncomfortable. But now they're very close back together. But they're sisters, you know what I mean?

Yeah. But super supportive of each other in the, this business that they're both in, which can be very tricky. Is it still very, very competitive? Yeah, yes, more than ever. I just, I guess I never really, that world is still a mystery to me. Well, it's foreign to me too, to be honest with you. You wouldn't even think that.

It is, though. It fits you like a glove. Well, I love it. And I just jumped right into it, of course, to kind of watch it all and manage it all. But I don't know that world. It's a vicious world, actually. It is a vicious. And it's about how you look.

period. Yeah, period. But at the end of the day, it is about who you are. It is about your personality. It is how you work with people and how well you work with people. Because if you're to choose from, you know, 10 gorgeous, gorgeous women, do you want to work with a cunt? Yeah.

I don't know if I can say that, but I just said, do you want to work with a cunt or you want to work with somebody who's really cool and game and kind? There you go. So. And sometimes it's funny, too, like when you really, like I've been watching, there's the new documentary on HBO and Mac. about supermodels and um which one

there's one with isabella rosalini actually i have not seen this polina poroscova i believe is on it it's got jerry hall um oh i want to see it yeah it's good and it's really it's it's talking a lot about the aesthetic changing like it's like from when modeling kind of started like in the 40s when it was really just like women you know trying on clothes just so the clothes can be seen just to showcase and then it became more about like attitude, energy, vibe. The lifestyle. Right.

Yes. Individuality in terms of the way you present the clothing, which leads into, you know, the victorious secret of it all and like the, et cetera. But it's just really interesting how personality, you know, like with Naomi Campbell, she has her reputation as being someone that's like, always late, a diva going to throw something. But then it can't really be true because she's had the most lasting career of almost. Right? Right.

Right. Right. So it's like... I know. I know. It's really interesting to watch, I have to say. But I think for you, you get to enter this space with ease, I would say, because you have a point of view already.

And the reason we all love fashion as actors is because you are playing a character. Again. Not all the models understand that you have to find a way in that way. Yes. It might not be playing a character, but you already have a built-in message. have a built-in mechanism to be like, I'm going to put the clothes on, I'm going to be Pedro Pascal in a protective belt t-shirt.

You know what I mean? Yes, I do. What was your favorite of the looks to wear at the cultural awards? So hard to choose because I loved every single one of them. Besides your own that you accepted to be with it. What was that?

What was that? What was that? Archival Capparelli? No. Well, you wore Sceaparelli on the carpet. I did some random. Which was a guy. It's a name I couldn't even tell you right now.

Stunning. It was so good. It was so fun, right? Yeah, that was great. Scott Raleigh was on the red carpet. Yeah, which we loved. I love it. I think Pedro was my favorite at the end of the day.

I do. I mean, I love Timothy also because it was so fun to embody the vibe that I thought was him. You nailed it. I had so much fun. I went for it. I did. I was like, I'm going to be these characters. It was so funny backstage getting ready because I was very particular.

It had to look a certain way. And they wanted to throw like this kind of. of strange goatee on me. And I was like, no, it's not right. And so I ended up drawing on the one for Timothy because his was pretty sparse. And the one they had was thick. And I was

like, no, no, no, no. And the makeup artist didn't want to hand me the pencil. And I was like, no, you have to just let me do it. And I just did it. And then it worked out. I had to do it the right. Had to be perfect. Well, yeah. You have to be, you have to subconsciously feel comfortable in that. That's right. Otherwise, you can't come out as fully as

You did. I remember, like, we were, like, putting it together, and it was in the script that the first one was going to be Demi Moore's yellow coat and the substance. And I remember you came out looking so exactly like her. I was like, is this the right first one? Because it looks like to me. I was like, are people going to know that's Lisa Rina? That's it for me right there. I was like, I was like, should we switch it because, or should we have it come out, like, so that people can really establish.

And it's Lisa Rina. Because the cultural awards is so, and I say this with love for us, it's so dumb that like, it's like, it's so fun. It's so fun. Anything could have been a joke at any time. So I was like, are people going to think that's to me? Because it looks like to me. Right, right. But then, like, honestly, I'm so happy because it landed her.

It just worked. I'm telling you. And it established what the joke was. It did. It just worked. Yeah. And, you know, it's funny because I didn't know what I was going to be doing. doing. Right. And then I went to go do traders. And then I find out. Oh, you would just come back from

traders. I'd just come back. And when I'd come back, they told me what I was doing. So when I went, I knew I was going to be doing, but I didn't know until I came back. And I'll never forget getting the visuals and screaming out loud. I was so excited. It was like one of the first things and I was like, this is like a dream come true. I loved it so much. And of course, Demi was the first image. It was actually in our, did you know, you must, do you know to me?

I know her, yes. I mean, I don't know her. She posted it. She posted it. I know she did. I know she did. Come on. When that happens, you go, okay.

Yeah. That worked. And then Pedro commented on the Pedro one too. He certainly did. He did. He did. He did. He did.

Oh, he did. I was such a thrill. Still waiting for comment from Timothy. Timothy. And where you at? And hot girl getting coffee. And the henny heart girl getting coffee and just my pants. This was freedom, honey.

I could just go and play. Thank you. I will say the only thing that was cut out after some pushback was you and the Pedro outfit kissing Andy Cohen. I know. And that was a special moment that we got on camera, but unfortunately we had to lose from the broadcast. I know.

But it was a very important moment. It was literally just like a banner had to be there. I know. We had to sell Costa Migos at the end of the day. I know. Listen, everything happens for reason. And at the end of the day, I was okay with it all because I didn't. it there. We had that moment. It was kind of a nice power play switch that I came up with

at the very, I don't even know how I came up with that at the last minute. I loved it. How are you and Andy now? We're good. I mean, we're good. I've been good with Andy. I'm good. You're good. I'm good. You're good. You know, you're not good and you're good. I've always been pretty good with Andy. Like I'm not afraid to say, you know what? I didn't like that you just said that to me. on your show that we just did on your radio show. And he'll be like, oh, I thought you really liked that. And I was like, no, I didn't. And here's why.

Or he'll say to me something, criticism, and I'll take it. And I'll be like, you know, you're right. So we have that relationship. Conflict and resolution. But that's something that you learned from the show. I certainly did. And that's something that you can both handle as adults. I think so.

And Andy and I, I think, always have been in on the joke in a sense. I have respect for him. And I think he has respect for me. So we have that mutual respect that over, that pre-s succeeds, or what's the word of, proceeds or supersedes? Supercedes, that's the word, supersedes all the bullshit. Because the rest of it's all bullshit at the end of the day anyway. Yeah.

It's a long life. It's a long life, you know what I mean? It's like. It is, hopefully. You're going to see him at like your daughter's wedding or something. Well, if he's lucky. I feel like, but I also feel like the thing with, the thing with like you're, relationship with him too.

And I feel like you and like the whole housewives of it all, which is why the Bravo thing with the cultural awards felt so good, is because it does feel like you're done with all of that. And it feels like something that's like in your past is a completed thing, at least being a housewife. Well, yes. And I feel like there's this oftentimes this idea from the fan community, which is like, oh, they want to come back or they must want to come back.

Like as if it can't be a conscious choice to leave that. show. But I feel like with you, you've shown that, like, and obviously from being such an industry figure for such a long time, like, this was a chapter. It had its ups and downs, and that is going to be what it is and it's learned from. And now you're moving forward. And I feel like a lot of the fan community almost doesn't know what to do with the fact that someone might not want to come back and be a real housewife. It's true. It's true. And, you know, I have great affection, even though it's a difficult show to do. I have great affection. for those eight years and what it brought to me and what it brought to my career and

how now, which is very interesting, I'm doing like endorsements and things that have to do with the things that I said on that show that became moments. Right. So I'm like, thank you. Yeah. Wow. Kaching, kaching. Like it just keeps moving on because people enjoyed that.

They like those moments. They get a kick out of it. They're entertained by it. So at the end of the day, it was a great thing. It was the investment. It was the real estate. You took your time in that lot. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And it runs its course, I think, for everyone. Right. And it's kind of, you know, it's going to, they'll come a day for everyone, even for Kyle Richards. Do you know what I mean? When you've been on from the beginning where you have to make the decision. Yeah.

Do I continue or do I take a risk and go out there? It's very hard for most housewives to do that. Yeah. You know, because it is a steady gig. Yeah. That's the thing, too, is it's work. It's a check, honey. It's structure.

I know what my fall is going to look like because I've been doing this every year. Right. And there's something really comforting and also challenging if you've been doing it for a long time, you know, to get excited about it. But at the end of the day, I wouldn't change a thing. I wouldn't. I wouldn't change a thing. I would do it again. Oh, I wouldn't do it again right now. You know what I mean?

Like, it's part of my history. It's part of just like Veronica Mars. Yes. Just like Melrose Place. and days of our lives. Everything I've done has brought me here. And it's exciting to see what's next, you know? We're talking about this with our other guests,

but it's like the through line comes into view after the fact, which is always weird. It really does. Isn't it true? The dynasty is like the perfect origin spot for you, where it all connects to everything that comes after. I will say, just before we do it on, I think, Sony, I will bring it back to our first meeting,

which was I was in. Yes, we missed. Oh, this was great. We missed. It was intermission for Sweeney Todd. I remember like this yesterday. Like it was yesterday. I was waiting for my friend Hunter.

And I was just like on my phone, just like downstairs in the bathroom. Waiting in line. We were in the line or I'd come out of the bathroom. I was waiting and then you'd come out of the bathroom. And then I'd get a tap on my shoulder. I'd look up and I go, I was like, oh, it's just be someone maybe wanting a picture or something. I look up and my jaw dropped. It was Lisa looking so chic in a Prada bucket hat.

Big shades, huge covered shades looking stuff. Oh, my God. No, I was literally in my, like, dressed down. I'm going to the theater, you know. Bring Prada. Your dress down would bring Prada. And I was like, oh, I'm just such a fan and I just love you so much. Oh, my God. I remember it like it was yesterday. So do I. Anyway, it was just to see you and to meet you in person. I'm such a huge fan. Are you kidding? You are. Stop at Lisa. You are. I was so I was like, oh my God, I'm meeting. Oh, my God. So we had the same moment. We had the same moment. And so I wanted to, because you're a fan of theater. I love it, love it, love it. I think we got to see you back on the boards again.

Yeah, can we see you back on the boards? Yeah, you know what I thought of the other day? I'm not sure I could do it. I'm not sure it would even be in my capacity at this point. But you know what came up? The MC in Cabaret, which is usually played by a man. A man. How did it come up?

I don't know. It just popped into my head. Oh, that it would be cool for you to do. Yes. Someone was talking about like the different. ways in which you can take that role and someone said that it wouldn't be out of a question

for a woman to do it. I was like that would be really interesting. I think there was even someone who said they wanted to do it and then they ended up playing Sally Bowles. I'm losing it right now. I mean, not to put this out there and put pressure

on anybody, but Lisa Rinnett as Mary Todd Lincoln. Oh, that would be insane. Have you seen Oh, my God, have I seen it? Are you kidding? I hadn't thought of that. I think that would be a pretty good fit. I love it.

Oh my God, it really could, but it's a hard role, isn't it? I think you could do it. Really hard. You memorize 40 pages of dialogue a day on days of our live. Oh, my God, will I be going back to Broadway? I might be. I just might be. This was the origin.

Oh, it'd always start somewhere. That's not a bad idea. Maybe. I don't know. You don't know. Let's put it out there. You never ever, ever, ever. Cole, if you're listening.

But you know. They don't cast it. They don't cast it. I'm sure they have a heavy hand in deciding. Anything else to talk about before we do I want to think so much? I'm trying to think, do you know, I have anything you want to say about Veronica Morris? Oh my God. Just, I mean, what a stacked show between, obviously, Kristen.

Gave birth to Kristen Bell. Amanda Zifrey's first row after meet her. And Harry kills her. Yeah. Harry kills her. Wow. She kills her. So Veronica Mars,

you probably have, like, I would imagine that, like, you get people coming up and they, here they come, and you can imagine.

You can imagine what they're going to say. And then when they say Veronica Mars, that has to be a special, like, I like that one. I like the Veronica Mars and the entourage.

Oh, see, we're entourage. We're not entourage guys, are we? I used to watch entourage every now, you have to somehow YouTube it and see it. It's really funny.

Probably HBO Max has it. Probably, definitely. You have to see it. It's not a big, it's, it's, It's not huge. It's memorable, though. It's a memorable. It's a memorable, memorable episode for sure, I will say. I get to be really sassy. You're proud of it. Oh, are you kidding? I just had Amelia. I can't remember how old she was, but she was very young. And my agent at the time was like, you have to do this. And it's really, it's really nasty and quite saucy and all of it. And I was a new mother and I was like, I can't do this. There's no way. I mean, now, of course, I wouldn't. I'd be like, fine. Here, give it me. Let's go. Let's go.

But at that time, I was like, I just can't do this. It's like, I'm too vulnerable. He's like, you're doing it. I don't care what you say. It's entourage and you're doing it. And so, I did it. Wow. It's fine.

It's really great. You got to see it. So that was around the time when, like, we had HBO on demand when I was, when I was younger. And I remember my parents would leave. My parents would leave and, like, I would like mainline sex in the city. Right. And then entourage was kind of like sex in the city for boys. Yeah, it was.

So clearly. I was not that into it. I was like, I want to watch this other thing. But I peaked in on some episodes. I used to think Kevin Connolly was hot. They were all pretty good looking. Yeah, and they were so nice. It was great.

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or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, so we're transitioning into, I don't think so, honey. This is our one-minute segment where we take that long to absolutely tear something up in culture. Mine, it's a throwback, but it's relevant. Okay. Okay. Do it. Okay, this is Matt Rogers.

I don't think so many of time starts now. I don't think so, honey, years ago, my parents took me to Los Angeles, California after I graduated college. I had never been there before, and we went on a celebrity homes, in one of those jeep safaris. And the guy was from New Zealand and he was riding us down by the Beverly Hills Hotel. And I don't think so, honey,

that he almost killed me and my family trying to track down Adrian Grenier. He said, it's Adrian Grenier from Untaroche. And this is my sort of New Zealand accent. And he gunned it as hard as he could. Flying through. He literally pulled up next to to this car, it was not Adrian Grenier.

No. So what I want to say is, I don't think so, honey, to any of these people out there on the roads with families of four in the back, they don't know who Adrian Grenier is. Okay, first I want to say that. Second of all, you can't kill me trying to see Adrian Grenier. You can kill me trying to run down and see, like, I don't know, at the time, he was like Justin Bieber. It was about Bieber.

It was about Bieber. Sure, I can't die trying to track down Adrian Grenier from Entourage, not with my one precious life. Real or fake, and that's one minute. I'll never forget it my first trip to Hollywood. Wow, did you buy the map? We did the whole thing. The whole thing. I'm telling you, we did that, you know, those tacky, like, safari jeep cars.

We got in one. I was mortified because I was like, oh, God, like me thinking at some point, maybe I'll be one of these people. Like, I would want to, like, hand them down. My parents wanted to go. And actually, it was kind of interesting. We were all right. I'm sure. Christina Aguilera's house.

It used to be Osias Bourne's house. Like, I was like, oh, that's interesting. Then when we almost died, I was like, get me out of here. And the guy wasn't even Adrian Grenier. Gosh. But I, Matt Rogers, almost died in a car trying to find. And we're so happy you've lived. Yeah.

And that was a really good full circle to bring that together with the entourage. Entourage. Very good. Yes. Bringing back the years. Very good. Very good. The paparazzi culture.

I've got a bit of a throwback as well. Okay. This is a hard one, by the way, you guys. No, it's very hard, especially when we've... Speak from the heart. This was hard. Oftentimes we'll do like two or three in a day, and it becomes really difficult. Yeah, we're really scraping about.

Ultimately, you do, I find, always have something to complain about. I think you do. All right. So, this is Bowen Yang. I don't think so, honey, is I don't think so, honey, that they have since closed the restaurant where the Amsterdam trip happened on the Beverly Hills episode. That is a historical site that is next to another historical site, which is the Anne Frank House,

but anyone who goes to Amsterdam now cannot go to the site of the restaurant and where Lisa Rinne broke the glass and waved it in front of Kim Richards' face. And Kyle fled. And we need to reenact the Kyle fleeing scene when you're in Amsterdam. That's like what we as gaymen want to do in this day and age.

We can't do it anymore. And now you go to the Anne Frank House, it's a bunch of teens with their little hoverboards loitering by the river. It could have been overrun with gay men and gorgeous women wanting to see that historic sight, that amazing moment in Housewives history. It's just gone now.

We need to commemorate and landmark these places or else we will lose history. Five seconds. And history is the only thing that we have or else it will repeat itself or rhyme. And that's one minute. Wow. It's closed.

I'm sure you've heard that. It's a shame. You used to be able to do Anne Frank House and that in one day. And now you can't. And now you can't. I have people sending me like the area. Yeah.

That it is, but it's not there. It's not there. It's not there. But it's the area or something else is there now. I know. They're sending it. Have you seen the like ASMR whispered version of it? I've seen it and heard it all.

Genius. It's so genius. It is one of the funniest. You know, I enjoy these things. I will never not enjoy this. It is so funny to me. Are you kidding me? Yeah.

It is some of the greatest television ever made that we didn't even know we were making. She does support you. You guys, it was five minutes. We sat down. It happened five minutes later. You don't know that. So wait, that was a quick scene? No, we came into this restaurant to sit down.

You would think that we had been sitting there for a long time, got your drinks. We sat down. And five minutes later, that happened. That's the editing because they cut to all the talking heads. They cut to the confessionals. We sit down and boom. The whole conversation starts. I mean, it took a minute to get to the glass part.

Sure, sure, sure. We didn't have drinks even. I mean, I think they brought them as we were talking. You didn't see them. Yeah. But when I sat down, five minutes later, that whole conversation started. And I would probably say 10 more minutes in. So 15 more minutes, I was across the table. Wow.

I always wonder, like, do they take your food order beforehand? They do now. They didn't then. Okay. They used to take it like a couple days before. I don't think food ever came at that point. No, it didn't seem like it did. That year of the show, you never ate.

Yeah. There's no food. Like, there might be food, but you're lucky. Hence the, you know, most of the drinking. There you go. I hadn't even had a glass of wine. I was not drunk. But they worked you up.

She worked, Kim worked you up. Oh, it didn't take long. It was already building, though. You know, it's the kind of thing that, you know, she was viving me on the plane. Yeah. We already had, like, really, like, it was bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling. And I'll never forget, because she's like right here.

Like, she's pretty far. Let's not talk about the husband. And when she started in on that, I was already, in your jet lagged. Of course. You're jet lagged. I'm not going to blame it on that. But you're, like, jet lag. And you're not at your, you know, best.

But I'll never forget her just, like, poking and poking and me thinking of myself, okay, that's it. and I remember flying across the table and stopping myself mid-lunge and this is what I said and most people have never heard this, I said to myself if you touch her, you're going to jail in Amsterdam, you're in

Amsterdam. Yeah, yeah. Remember that part. And so then I pull back and I had so much rage that I picked up the glass and smashed it. Yeah. Good TV. Did you just see her at Alexia's wedding? No, she wasn't there. She wasn't there. No. But I

I've seen her, and we have, like, worked through, I've worked through most of it with most of them because you have to. I don't want to carry that. You're a human being. We're all humans. We're doing the best we could at the time, whatever. But I've already had that. I've worked through it with Kathy Hilton.

All is fine. It feels like that must have gotten calmer because it all come down between Kathy and Kyle. Yes. Yeah. And that's where it all began. Exactly. Are you okay with Garcell or is that kind of in the past? two now.

Who? Oh, here we go. This is Lisa Renna. Do you have something? I said almost everyone. Yeah, almost everyone. I mean, she's fine. Yeah, I feel really sad about the,

the Sutton and Garcel of it all at the end there. I was really, that didn't feel great. Two people I knew before. See, it never works when I know you. When you know them before. Think about it. Denise, Sutton, Garcel. That's a bummer.

It didn't work with the people that I actually knew. Sure. Well, I knew Kyle. before. So that worked. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But there are exceptions. I'm going to try one. Okay. I don't know if I... You're going to do great. I don't know if I actually have it, but since we're on Amsterdam,

I'm going to go down a road there. Okay. Let's go. Okay. I'm going to try it. And what do I say first? You say, I don't think so, honey. And then like, go into it. I'll put you on the clock. This is Lisa Rainer's I don't think so honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. We're in Amsterdam and we're going around and we're walking around. And yes, there are sex clubs and there are women in the windows and whatnot. And everyone is like, hey, let's go into this because I want to see a woman shoot a banana out of her vagina. And I'm like, I don't think so, honey, but I had no choice.

It was like two in the morning. And so we go downstairs into this cave, into this club. And I'm already, I think I've already done the broken glass part. And I'm already traumatized. And they're like, yeah, you really need to see this. This woman shoots a banana out of her vagina. It's been a night. Like, I don't really need to see it.

And sure enough, this is where it takes a little banana. It's not even a big banana. It's this little banana. And she somehow shoots it across the room out of her vagina. And I never, honey, needed to see that ever in my life. I can't get it out of my mind. And I wish I said, no, fuckers. I'm not going to see the banana come out of the vagina in Amsterdam.

And that's that no thank you, honey, ever again. And that's one minute. Who was the ringleader on that? Erica, Jane? The producers. No, Eric wasn't there yet. Oh, yeah. This was pre-Ira.

This was pre-Ira. She would have been ready to go. She would have. It was a group of us. We were bored. We weren't even filming. I was going to say, they couldn't get the cameras down there.

No, I can't. Cameras do go down. The producers were like, oh, we saw that. They went down in Aspen and they went down here for the banana shooting out of the vagina. Yeah. Well, that would have been good to see.

It would have been great to see. Well, it would have been actually very exciting. Yes. It wasn't. No, honey. You still think about it, which is tough. It's like a stress dream that you're going to have. I should never have seen it.

I should have closed my eyes and said no. Damn. There you go. Well, you're stronger because of it. You are. There are no regrets. You said no regrets from that time and that includes that. Well, I feel like I've seen a lot.

Yeah. I mean, this has been such a joy to have you here. I was like so excited. I was like, I can't wait to come and play with the boys. because that's, I feel like it's just so easy with you. And thank you again for the award show. It was the time of my life. It changed a lot of things.

Just so you guys know, I'm going to tell you, my agents were like, I'm telling you, that show has raised your value. And everyone is calling. They love, I was like, that's nice at this point. That is all you. That's all you, though. Well, listen, I, I, no, you gave me the opportunity and I just had fun doing it. So thank you.

have enjoyed you in all of your forms in this entertainment industry watching you. Now getting to meet you is so fun. And we're just like so happy to meet you. I don't know if I told you this, but our best friend Jared years ago was walking in Freiman Canyon. And he would always run into you. And he had a dog and I guess Harry went down one time to pet the dog. And Jared said to Harry Hamlin, hey, congrats on the sauce. And I always thought that was the funniest thing ever

I was like that Harry Hamlin now Superstar Harry Hamlet is now being congratulated about the sauce It's the truth he said people stop him and say Where's Lisa and I love your sauce And congrats on the sauce How funny is that? Yeah Okay we want the sauce

Oh you can I'll send you the sauce We'll buy the sauce We love bolognese Okay we there's bolognese now there's marinera There's vodka sauce now there's four I love it And they just got into Gelson's Come on. Congratulations. He got into Gelsons.

Oh, my God. He got into Gelsons. He got into Gelsons. That's really breaking through in Hollywood. Well, I think. I mean, it starts somewhere. That one on Franklin, that's my Gelsons. I'm going to go there. Got into 30 Gelsons. So it's beginning. Isn't that cute? What's the name of the sauce? Harry's Famous. Harry's Famous.

You can get it at harrisfamous.com or Amazon right now until you can get it in Gelsons and then God knows where else. And we didn't even get into QVC, Lisa Rinner. Oh, that's for next time. Next time, we have a lot. Listen, we have a lot to say I obviously have much more. I could have ranted on that. I could rant on a lot of things, but the banana was good.

Well, you'll be back. The banana was great. Let's not talk about the husband. It's a podcast presented by Dear Media. Thank you for those. Plugs. Plug, plug, plug. It's really fun.

If you miss watching those interactions on TV, you can hear them every week in your ears. And do you know when the Traders comes out? It's January usually. What I love about Traders, too, is it premieres right after the new year, and it always feels like... Yeah. Yeah. We're starting. Like, like, our year can start.

Yeah. Just you wait. Okay. Amazing. That's all I'm going to say. Well, we end every episode with a song. Come on, babe. Why don't we paint the town?

And all that jazz, I'm going to rooge my knees and roll my stockings down. But um, but um. and all that jazz. And if you want to hear more of that, you can see Chicago on Broadway. It's not going anywhere. Bye. Bye.

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