Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Who Is The Busy?" (w/ Busy Philipps)

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

If you had told Matt and Bowen when they were arguing years ago at the Emmys about "who was the Busy and who was the Michelle" that one day Busy would be on their gay little podcast, they would have��eaten their hats! Well yum yum yum I hope the boys have a hankering for their own damn caps because Busy Philipps is here on Las Cultch! Talking about everything! Becoming a goddamn math teacher during the pandemic, raising brilliant gen-z children, how Blake Shelton actually has "the sparkle" in person, the impact of People Magazine culture, what happened when Busy's grandmother came through during a session with a medium, the bangers on the Girls5Eva soundtrack, when entertainment media crosses the line, "freak numbers", Dua Lipa, and the state of produce in New York City. Are you an adult that has had strep throat? What do you think of the name "Mac Rogers"? Are YOU the Busy or the Michelle of your best friendship? Just some questions based on a *thunderously joyful* episode of LC with a true icon: Busy! Listen to the podcast Busy Philipps Is Doing Her Best, watch Girls5Eva on Peacock and have a great fucking day! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. I am upset because I really needed you on Thursday. Because I'm coming to New York on Wednesday, and I needed you on Thursday,

and you're going to be on Atlanta until Sunday, which sort of fucks me up. I didn't plan for this. I'm so sorry. Why do you need me on Thursday, pray tell? I need you to go suit shopping with me. I need a suit for a straight wedding. Oh my God. Why do you need me there? You've done it before. I just don't want to go alone. And I felt like it could be bonding time with me and my sis. You don't understand. Anyway, how are you enjoying Atlanta instead of being with me and shopping for suits?

It's interesting. I am in the parts where a lot of the people... Basically, I went to Barry's today in Buckhead. Brag? What? Drag? Brag? Not a brag at all. Not a brag at all, but I went to Barry's in Buckhead,

and it's very, you know, straight, rich, white energy, which we love in settings like Barry's where, you know, it's kind of a safe space for that. Yeah. But I felt sort of like- How are your calves looking? Are they looking, like, so thick? I don't like my calves.

Remember that episode of Grey's where- You don't like your calves? They're famous. Well, they're hanging too low now. And they're a little too meaty. And then there was an episode where it was like Callie and Christina have to slice into a man's calves because they're too swollen.

The second week in a row you've taken a topic that we're talking about and then bringing up a niche old episode of Grey's Anatomy. It's iconicomy it's iconic it's almost as iconic as your own calves the way you do this thank you and I do know of course I know the episode you're talking about you know what you know

what I'm talking about right and they both they both each have a scalpel and then they both like look in each other's eyes and count down and then you see the fucking incision and then that that brilliant actor whoever that was playing the patient just going like really really iconic scream work really that has nothing to do with how your calves look currently do the i bet they look absolutely stunning they're your chief feature i

believe today was arms and abs it's my first time in any group fitness setting since the pandemic and oh my god gotta say just as debasing and humiliating as it was before no progress since it's okay it's okay can i tell you what happened to me today at the gym yeah i haven't heard from you in so long queen yeah well what happened to you what happened me at the gym today so i'm in i'm sort of in the locker room right looking around you're looking hot by the way can i say something way. Can I say something humiliating? Can I say something humiliating? Every day I go to the gym and I work hard.

No, I know I'm doing the same. I think that's why I went. Berries. I absolutely, but I'm not really going for an ideal. I just want to like be able to like walk on and be like. And feel good. You know what? This is, this is, this is, this is what we have.

And we're grateful for it and there was some effort put into this and that's the best that's the best we can do I'm not I did not mean to entrap you with your statements I never that's not what I do but I never felt entrapped for a second but here's what I'll here's what I'll say you need to be less victimized

by my words queen well I'm really a lot of it is just sort of me playing with you like the cat and mouse, the very Tom and Jerry of it all, you understand? I sort of want to drag you a little bit because I love to see you on your hind legs because that's when your calves pop the most. Am I a mouse or am I a cat?

Between the dog and the cat and mouse. And then you're the dog and I'm the cat, but then in the cat and mouse you're the cat and I'm the mouse. Et cetera. I think I'm always going to be the in the cat and mouse, you're the cat and I'm the mouse. Et cetera. I think I'm always going to be the bigger one. Oh, wait. This actually is a good segue,

but first I want to talk about what happened to me at the gym. What happened to you at the gym? An older daddy in the locker room gave me the look that said, let's fuck. And I was like, I couldn't have run out of there faster. And I gotta tell you, the whole thing horned me up. It horned me up. Of course it did.

Because he was hot. But I was too chaotic in my head about hooking up at the gym, something I've never done. I understand. I understand a lot. Our guest is appalled. She's surprised.

Well, you know, some of us have never gotten that look and I think you should have really, next time you get that look, you should really go for it. Okay. Honestly, i you know some of us have never gotten that look and i think you should have really next time you get that look you should you should really go for it okay honestly as you know i've been in all sorts of new sexual pursuits the threesome of it all maybe the maybe hooking up with the daddy at the gym is sort of my thing now maybe maybe i'm coming anyway um to sort of speak on the tom and jerry of it all yes here's the thing about our guest oh my god now you sort of told me that our guest did remember this happening but i don't know she did know you were i think she does know that you were there yes cut to cut to just

readers go back in time with us to i think what was it? The 2019 Emmys? It was the last Emmys with a crowd. The last Emmys. So, with a crowd. So, um, Bowen and I decide about halfway through, we're gonna go sort of to the bar. You understand? We're gonna get our red wines. We're gonna go on top of it. We're gonna load up. And we ask, we sort of

ask around, like, who needs drinks? Everyone's saying, I need a drink. I need a drink. We go, great. So we're walking back into into the auditorium which is very much what it was and we're sort of double fisting drinks and while we're doing this we're having i would say a fun altercation talking about which one of us is the busy and which one is the michelle because we had been looking across the auditorium. And there they were. And we spotted Busy and Michelle.

And they looked to be having a great time. Always, always they were having a good time at award shows. And I was like, and I was your date that night. And I was like, I will always be your date. And I want us always to accompany each other at these events. Yes. And I think we were sort of arguing because i think we both felt like i think we both and this is not straight but i think we both wanted to be busy i wanted to be

busy and i believe that i am busy and i know i am busy and where were we okay so then so then then i swear to god right behind us is this is the duo themselves is the duo themselves and i don't they didn't hear us did you did you hear no they didn't hear us oh my god bowen first of all i fucking knew who you were and i was like yeah abby and i was fully eavesdropping and we were talking about you guys though weren't we yes no you did not hear us that's humiliating you were being cute and then i was like explaining to michelle who everyone was okay so then we have we couldn't get back to our seats we couldn't get back to our seats it was it was bottleneck and busy says to us and this was huge she goes you guys are really

killing it with those drinks and i was like i i my jaw dropped and i said you know what i you want to know what i recognized i was like that's mr energy because i don't think you would ever say to people that you had met you guys are killing it with those drinks that's me and that's when i saw two gay men like fucking triple fisting i'd be like you guys are really killing it with those drinks. Like one Miss Busy Phillips herself. Well, guess what? I would have already said it. So had you said it after me, you would have looked like a real flop.

Then the iconic thing was literally- Michelle won the Emmy. We get to our seats. It's like she sits down, then she gets called up, swoops up, gives that iconic speech. And then I turn to you and I said, that's definitely you're you you are going to be giving iconic speeches no no no no come september fyc oh no i will be i feel like you are i feel like you could get i feel like you have an iconic speech within no i don't don't you haven't you ever haven't you given i haven't we all she's given iconic speeches no

just when I testified before Congress about abortion rights that was that that was an iconic that qualifies as iconic speech and it made the routes and so just suffice it to say our guest today full blown icon that we are excited to have on the show you first

knew her when she played the iconic Kim Kelly on Freaks and Geeks, followed up by Dawson's Creek, babe. The underrated gem of a sitcom that was Cougar Town, for which she won the Critics' Choice Award for Supporting Actress, okay? In a comedy series.

But you've seen her in films like White Chicks, I Feel Pretty, He's Just Not That Into You, I mean, the iconic late night show, Busy Tonight tonight and now host the podcast busy phillips is doing her best and we haven't even mentioned she's one of the quartet of our favorite show on right now girls five ever which just got renewed was renewed for season two

today on peacock everyone please welcome into your ears busy phillips this is the best introduction i've had on any podcast to date oh what about award shows uh award shows i feel like i don't even know what they say they're just it's terrible it's so it's dark and now from dawson's creek michelle williams and from cougar town it's like wait busy busy isn't that too yeah i know it's but they you know i feel like it's always yeah it's always a miss anytime i miss it's always a miss whenever you're introduced also like the amount of times i've had to ask them not say actress and just say actor. Like I just find like the gendering. But then it's like, I don't know.

Then it's always weird because people like to put throw words in like activist mother. Oh, yeah. Sure. Like, all right, everybody, calm the fuck down. She's an activist mother. And then they always follow it up with. And that's the most important role. I mean, it's calm the fuck down. She's an activist mother. And then they always follow it up with, and that's the most important role. I mean, it's not, but sure.

Just kidding. Wait, how are you feeling this day when the renewal got announced? Yeah, huge. Congrats. Exciting, thanks. Bowen, I'm sad to learn from this podcast that you are not a fan of yourself.

Yeah, he's a flop. On this show. he was so good on it you were amazing what are you fucking talking about he did it he did it so this could happen i know no no no not at all i think back on the day that you that you and i shared a scene and i was like out of it no but but this is the thing it's, if you're a pro, if you're like busy Phillips level, even if you're out of it, you show up. Strap throat.

Yes. Strap throat on set. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. Well, here's what happened. Because COVID times, we were filming during COVID. Huge.

And I woke up. Peak COVID. This is January. January. Peak. Height of. When COVID was the it girl. She really was. Plus, i have two children who were in

person school now they were like potted and they had like a whole protocol and everything i woke up monday morning and i was like she came for me like this is it we're done she's knocked on the door we're done we got it and i called production and i was like this is what's happening i'm not coming in and obvi and i'm doing the responsible thing of course but i was like i'm gonna even though by the way i could have gotten the free test at work i was like i'm not coming in i'm gonna go to the place here that's like the rapid pcr test so you get your result at that point it was like you get your result in an hour was the fastest you could do it um but i'm gonna tell you i'm 99 sure i have covid um and i was pretty much freaking the fuck out and we held the kids home

from school and i went i mean you i can't be i'm not an irresponsible person you know what i mean because they felt fine they're like this is dumb i'm like well we'll see yeah we'll know in an hour being a mother but i also did feel i felt like i've had like chronic sinus issue guys this is boring but i did feel like this is a strep throat situation and and then i thought well is covid that is that what that is i don't know i didn't have so anyway test came back next oh and guess who i saw um oh my god while getting the name yes what was her name on the upper west you know iconic fucking new yorker and the documentary with martin scorsese on the street i swear to god i drove i drove up which by the way you know i'm a real la bitch and i had my car shipped here and i drive everywhere i love it so I drive up to the COVID test place,

get out of my car. I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. Fran Lebowitz walking down the street. And I was like, if I didn't think like 90% chance that I had COVID, obviously. And like annoy the shit out of her. But anyway, so I was like, I'm gonna protect an icon. I'm not gonna say hello.

Went and got the COVID test. It was negative. And then I was like, well, then I'm pretty sure I have strep throat. And I went to this doctor that they like, I don't have any doctors here yet. Still, that's a bad move on my. My kids have pediatricians, dentists. My dog has a vet. Oh, yeah, 100%.

I hooked everyone up. And like, I'm like, I don't know where the fuck I go. Actually, I did get a great gyno from Michelle. So I'm good there. Oh, the best. Love that. All I think, you know. So I'm that, I take care of.

But so the studio or the production sent me to some doctor. I went to his office. It was so bizarre. You know, those studio doctors are always. I dealt with one once and it was like, huh? those studio doctors are always i was i dealt with one once and it was like huh it was like a lot of bits it's the the offices are wacky wacky was this in granite the headshots everywhere it was right by nyu so it was i know exactly what you're talking

about you know who i'm talking about he gave me a talking to when i went for an insurance physical before nor from queens and he was just like he's like you know you gotta stop smoking I don't know what to tell you I know and I have but he's just like I love this doctor he's an icon no no but he berated me no no no no no no no no no no that's not how this is gonna go

I'm sorry Busy no no no it wasn't that I was smoking it was that I said that I said that I have some chest pain like uh some chest pain then he was like what's this about chest pain and i was like oh you know um i don't really have it it's just like i just get like a chest cough every now and he's like well that's not what that question's asking on the forum so i don't want you to lie on these forums because that becomes like an issue for and then he just like it was a form issue and so he just like but this is this is the same doctor i think busy like oh

like a dusty old yes okay yes sorry wait you went to this guy it is 100 percent him and i went in and he's like tell me what's happening and i was like i'm i must have strep throat. My COVID test was negative. And he's like, adults don't get strep throat. I'd be very surprised if you have strep throat. Are you kidding me? I'm so sorry. I'm pretty sure that's not true. I'm almost positive that I have strep throat. And also, I've been an adult for 20 fucking years.

And I've had strep throat as an adult. Yeah. What are you talking about? He cultured my baby. So he cultures my throat. And he's like, well, we'll get we'll have the results in 48 to 72 hours. I was like, what? That long?

Why would it take so long to send out a strep throat test? That is how long it takes now. Well, it does not, Matt. It does. Any strep test I've had and I've been though well it does not match not it does any strep test i've had and i've been poked and prodded back in my throat for years and years i used i had strep there all the time when i was a kid my kid's pediatrician runs it in 15 minutes maybe this i have to i'm not on board with this doctor anymore ever since it kind of took a turn of like adults don't get streps no no but he like gave me and he's like, oh, yeah.

Wow. Really does look like strep. And I was like, yes, I have. He's bad. He sucks. So he gave me an antibiotic while we waited for the results that I should just start taking. And then I love that. And then I was like, what should I do now?

In any other work situation I've ever been in? And I've been on television shows since I was an infant, basically. I mean, 19. If you're sick or like, say, have just given birth, like you go immediately back to shooting. Yeah. Anything. If you have the stomach flu, like you, they give you steroids and you go back to work. Like I have worked through fucking everything. That's not how it should be though no by the way a hundred

percent not but you know they don't want productions i actually think this has to do with cleopatra because do you guys know the story yeah do you know the story with cleopatra with no maybe i don't know we want to know and the readers should know. That's history. There's an incredible article, I believe it was in Vanity Fair like in the mid-90s, maybe early aughts. And it was about like the disaster of the financial ruin

of the movie Cleopatra. But part of the issue was that at the time Elizabeth Taylor declared that she would not work for the week before, the week during, or the week after her menses. So essentially, she could only work a week. Every month?

Every month. Yeah, it was like, the days were sort of negotiable, but it was basically three weeks out of the month she was unavails due to her period that's iconic i can't i can't work when i when the week before during and after i come exactly i need time to recharge okay how long was production it was it was exhort you have to look this article. It was like exorbitantly long. It ended with like the sale of half of Culver City. Yeah. So that they could get out of debt for the movie. It is like bonkers.

Like they, like you, who, Sony, who made the movie or whatever. I think it must've been Sony because Culver City. It was Fox. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Fox. Okay. So they like basically owned all of Culver City and then had to just sell it off because of the debt of Cleopatra.

Like the movie budget was something at the time, like $300 million, which like in today's market is like $2 billion. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, that's not, those aren't real numbers or math, but it was, it's like fucking bonkers. It's insane. So you think that like production schedule, expectations. Insurance stuff.

Yeah. I think it dates back to that. I think that the studios then were just like, oh, mother fuck no. And like, we're putting this shit on lockdown. And like, you are coming to work, rain or shine. And that's it. I don't know. This pilot that I just did, this girl, i think it might be a scheduling thing too because it's so hard especially when you're on a

tight schedule this girl was having one of the worst migraines i've ever witnessed and it was like it was like a night shoot so it was like you don't want to deal with a migraine at any point but especially when it's late at night it was one of those things where it was like 10 minutes before she could feel it coming and she's like okay i have to leave and get home now she's like someone who's dealt with migraines and they did have to like find a way to shoot her out because it was that bad but like no one should have to do that it's crazy but they but they but they do like i mean they just i once on cougar town um i had like completely thrown out my back like in a way like i don't know if you guys are pretty young i i don't know if you've ever done this but i had also had birdie like

birdie was only like a year and a half old and so my stomach muscles were still very weak it's apparently why you throw your back out um or like especially like new moms do yeah i could not get off of the floor and i was like tears streaming down my face crying in pain and like the prop guy gave me like a valium or something and i or like some muscle relapse soma and i like just it's always the prop guy i I mean, always. The best. The best. And you were okay? And I just went back to work. No, I was in so much pain. But you were able to get up off the floor.

You were able to, you sort of were able to mobilize. No, I wasn't. But I had to like rally and go do the scenes and then go lay on the floor and cry. And, but so anyway, so it was like the shock of my life. Also, I was so sad that I missed that, like missed most of the episode on girls five eva the shock of my life when production was like due to covid protocols you must stay home yes until like 48 hours after you start taking the antibiotics or whatever yeah and i was like are you what what am i supposed to do i've never not i've never just now rested on yeah i know that's funny that you say that because bowen i was

texting him the whole time he was doing because i was so excited he was doing it and i was like is busy there and he was like well she's sick and then so in when in watching the episode there's one part where they they cut they cut over to like this stand-in who's sort of in your visage. And it's just like this. She's seven feet tall and she weighs 110 pounds. And she was like 17 years old. It's just so funny because she's in the foreground and she's just perched up sitting on a box. And you're like, is that busy?

Do they think that that looks like Busy? I didn't clock it. No, I knew to clock it because you had said that Busy was sick. So I knew to clock it. Even though I was in the room, I was like, there's the character. There she is. Wait, I'm such a bad viewer. Wait, what's Dawn?

No, Dawn is Sarah. Gloria is Paula Summer Summer Summer you freak fuck I'm sorry Summer and Kev

Summer and Kev Summer and Kev Summer and Kev I was looking at that one scene and then I just I just remember thinking I'm fucking this up I'm fucking this up

I'm fucking this up like I'm just like no no no this is we're just bringing this back to like the day that I worked with Busy feeling like I was like I'm not doing a good job but this is that's just me that we don't we don't have to unpack this i am like gonna figure it out by the time i like

go back to work it's it's fine it's fine no i had a lot of i felt weird that day. I was nervous because I had been away from work and I felt so insecure about that. And then I was like, sort of just I felt I hadn't really eaten anything in many, many days. Definitely hadn't had any alcohol in like six days. I was very skinny, guys. That one scene just FYyi you looked stunned also i have to say no my covid my covid days have been tough it's been tough post-stress it's been tough for all of us yeah i think i think that's why we're so we opened the show today being fixated on like okay gotta get ready for fire island well Island. I was listening to that.

Obviously I was sitting here. A God absorbing that absorbing the moment. And I, and I feel like it's just the last frontier, isn't it? Yeah. Just like, yeah.

Letting, letting it fucking go. And like being like, this is it. I love it. I'm healthy. I love, I love it when i see it on other people but we're not there no just it's hard to get there inside your own head and then

i always i remind myself and i think this is such a good thing for everyone to remind themselves is no one is thinking about you as much as you are ever ever except if you're famous though matt that's not true well yeah so sometimes i'm like i look like shit and then somebody tweets me like i saw busy phillips at hugo's she looked like shit you know and then you're like well there you go you didn't have to tag me you know what i mean the tag is always a huge question mark for me i'm like why the tag like if you wanted to hate me you could have done that in private i really didn't need to know i don't know who it helps i mean it helps them because it gets your attention that's sure the kicker isn't it i think this is a particular summer during which people are extra thoughtful about just um right it's the you're re-emerging from a cocoon yeah you want to look

good and you want to pretend like you were one of those people that was like i spent the whole time working on me and getting better and like losing 40 pounds and really you're like i spent the whole time eating tates and drinking bottles of rose at night like well that's just my experience i can't project for you but you know i think it's like a little bit people feel this this pressure of of re-emerging looking better than ever but i never had looked better ever in my life it is the hottest i've ever fucking been in february of 2020 wait oh so like right before yeah i was the best My body, I literally, this is not a joke. Like in early March of 2020,

I remember looking in the mirror and I was like, it's what you always wanted. You did it. Like, that's it. I was like, you look great. You look great. You fucking did it. Talk about this.

Talk about this moment. Because I want you to like bottle this up. What was the reason for it? What made you think? What made you satisfied? Because this is the thing that that i think i'm always looking in the mirror but yes yes so and i always what about february 2020 made you think like wow february march i don't know it just was like it all came together great just was looking great i had been working out so much and like but it was like i had like let so much food stuff go like in terms of i threw

my scales out uh like a couple months earlier and then like i just felt all this freedom and i was like still eating nachos at petty cash on monday nights and still like feeling like i was like i was like i've turned into like cameron diaz of 99 where i'm like i'm eating a burger but i look like this right i just had this thing and i was like this is it it's what you've always wanted it's balance like i didn't fucking i wasn't like like having sugar craving like yeah stuffing my face was i wasn't binging binging binging right but like you know not in a way where i would purge just i would go through periods of time in my life since i was a young actor first told to lose weight where um young act or who's a woman in this

industry who was told to lose weight um that i would like go through periods of time where i'd be really really really strict and regimented and be like um still just like a normal sized person you know what i mean and then i would like fall off the wagon and binge and then whatever and then i had my kids and i was like i can't continue this this is fucked for them because they're um well i have like a little girl and then my non-binary teen um but still like body issues or body issues like you guys are proof that it doesn't it doesn't matter your gender um so yeah like i just was trying to get a handle on it for many years and like 20 well 2019 and 2020 i was like i did it yeah and then my body my body never looked better and then i sank into so i'm curious because for me for me it was immediate like when they told us to we were going home from work and that we wouldn't be back for even two weeks i

remember it for me it was immediate i think i said right away i was like oh unfortunately i'm gonna let myself go because i there was those people that were in my ear sort of saying like hey just so you know it might also be a very long time and i was like i'm not willing to believe that but i am gonna enjoy in my in any way that i can this like time at home i'm gonna comfort myself from the horrors of what's going out there with i'm gonna be eating pizza while I'm sitting here binging, I'll say again, 31 seasons of Survivor. You did the whole thing?

Well, there's 40, and there's like nine flop seasons that I didn't watch. So I watched all the good ones. Good, quote unquote. And so during that time, it was like cheeseburgers, pizza, chicken tenders. Wait, do you want to know a cute story about Jeff Probst? Yeah. Yeah.

Obviously. Jeff Probst is the nicest sweetest yeah hello and uh he's married to a friend of mine and our kids all used to go to the same school in los angeles although lisa's kids are older his wife's kids are are a bit older than my kids but we would often end up on spring break at the exact same time in the same place like at this resort and uh and i've known lisa for a long time because before she was married to jeff probst i mean i mean a long time like her best friend forever is a girl is a woman that i was friends with like through acting or whatever so i've

known his wife for a long time so anyway so we would like hang out on vacation on spring break and at this resort that we you know would see each other at like la la yeah spring break vibes yeah he would hold for the kids at the resort i knew it he would do just for for free i mean for fun just for fun he would do a full survivor day for the kids staying at the place in Hawaii what if you get to hear him be like survivors ready

it was just like the cutest nicest first of all it was like the greatest stepdad that I've ever seen in my life that is killer stepdad that i've ever seen oh yeah that is that is killer stepdad vibes oh my god the whole look all of it yeah he's your hat stepdad yeah was he was he in the look like even though he was on vacation did he at least bring like the look like was he in his

denim sort of cargo pants like yeah kind of yeah a little bit i mean he's like maybe a little bit cooler like in real life like like but he's definitely like hot dad vibes yeah for sure but it was just like i the first year because it was years that we would see them on spring break and the first year where i was like wait lisa where is he going and she's like oh he does this thing or he does survivor for the kids staying here and it's just like you know i was like are you fucking kidding me that's the greatest thing i've ever heard in my life like that is so sweet oh those kids are gonna look back on that and have a good memory that's very cool he was very sweet and like all the kids like cricket when she first met him was probably i mean like

two and a half or something like that my My little one who's now almost eight. And she just always was like, who's that? Who's that guy? Like, she just loved him. He's very lovable, that Jeff Rose. That's like you find out that the Santa that came to your house to play Santa was the real Santa. The real Santa?

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I couldn't even hang on. I was like, I wake up every morning at six. I work out. I shower and then put on a full outfit and makeup if I feel like it I was living in a and then I was like and then we start school and I'm a teacher now and that like it was such a the crazy was such a slow burn for me like where all of a sudden I was like, oh, I have 4,000 emails I haven't returned. And but like my kids nailing their project for the building the rainbow out of household objects that we have to take a picture of and upload to this website that the school like just came up with like two and a half seconds ago so that we can like track their things. And then I have to teach her how to multiply numbers and like it was truly a wild journey but my my

spiral in terms of like oh i'm fucking done yeah happened in june i would say in june i was that was when it was hardest for me yeah because that was when it really sank in yeah that this was like a reality that was done yeah well we had our when when LA started to like kind of open back up again our kids like nanny who we this is this relatable content our child our kids nanny who we had obviously paid to stay home for those three months like the quarantine three months and then like by the way at like a school zoom meeting we find out like people are asking questions about their babysitters and child care and i was like they never sent them home what people are still coming and working in your what the fuck i had i was like everybody i obviously i work mark works we have two children um i had like a housekeeper that came twice a week and i had our kids like long time nanny

and both of them i was like and and by the way my assistant raymond who like whatever i was like everybody stay home i'm gonna continue to pay you and don't fucking come to the threshold right do not even come near us and i we were doing it all ourselves like for a second one second in the very beginning of the pandemic i said i called casey and i was like let's just start doing like a version of busy tonight but like from my house and like we can just do and it was so fun it'll be like like on zoom we can just like or not zoom on um instagram live or whatever and we'll just like post it it'll be so fun you guys i was that was like i literally was like crying under a pile of laundry two kids so many dishes and i was like this is i can't fucking do this this is insane

i'm not that's insane the teacher the having to be a teacher of it all, that was a horror that I, I mean, me having a bad time is just like, I, it was so, I didn't have any responsibilities really to have children and then to have to teach them. And then you have to realize like how difficult all that shit is. Like the math that they learn, fuck my ass.

Well, by the way way my kids like for like burt like cricket school was teaching it was singapore math which is like we don't know because we were not taught but it's about number bonding, and it's... Number bonding? That's as much as I know. I swear to God. That is literally it. You're making this up.

And I was like, do I need to take a crash course in Singapore math? Like, I don't fucking know how to do this. This is insane. Entitle about. My older kid, Birdie, like, weirdly was... This is, I mean. What, what? Talk about like fucking making lemonade out of lemons.

Oh, you guys, my older child, Birdie had been, this is, it's actually not funny at all. Okay, okay, okay. My older kid, no, but my older kid, Birdie had been bullied so horribly in the school that they were in when they came out at at age 10 and it was just like a fucking nightmare and so it got to a really and the school handled it poorly and i got the lgbtq center involved in la and it was just like i was talking to lawyers and they were like well that's what you get when you go to private school school you have no recourse and blah blah blah blah blah and i was just like oh and so literally two weeks before the pandemic happened like officially was called they called it they called it when they called it um we had or two two and a half weeks we had pulled birdie out of school and had set them up with these like tutors that were incredible but because

basically i said to the school like you have two choices you're gonna let my child finish with private tutors or i'm going to like be on the cover of people magazine um oh that's a beautiful the leverage yes and also by the way i didn't want to fuck there was no fucking way i wanted to do that like i didn't want to know i wasn't ever going to do that by the way i was never going to just fyi but i was never going to do no no no no but the threat but i just was like we you have to let us go and you have to like let us finish the school year without you and without them being subjected to this fucking torture. Yeah.

And so they had agreed to that. So we have these private tutors that were like already set up tutoring Birdie. So then when the pandemic happened and it's like through this company that does this for kids who either like are they like professional kids? They like work with actors or sports players or when kids are in crisis like was in our case and like needed to get the you know out um but so then when the pandemic happened bernie had like this schedule with these it was all set up online already to go because they have like kids that travel for work and they like didn't miss a beat and literally it was like we didn't have to do anything it was so seamless and birdie just like aced all of the classes and had the greatest like was literally you guys when i mean when like

george floyd was murdered then birdie was talking to their english teacher about it and the english teacher was like i'm going to change the curriculum for the rest of the year and we're going to read um chained and like this book and this book and then we're going to like talk about it was i was like oh this is what's wrong with education in america right right it's not like it's not adaptable and it's not tailored to children's actual needs it's just like a one-size-fits-all situation even if you are paying for it it fucking sucks right um i know but that thing is prohibitively expensive like what we were doing at the time and it was only because i was like i don't care if i like go into credit card debt i just have to make sure this person's

okay yeah um and so anyway so they did like killed it they like did great during school at the end of that thing and the point being I got to June and they finished school right and I collapsed and then Rosé and Tate's took over my life and I just have never looked back. And then even for like, when I was a little bit on the show, I was like, maybe I should try to, no.

What are you talking about? On what show? On what show? On Girls 5 Ever. I was like, I'm going to be wearing these like outfits and shit and I'm just like, well. Oh no, no, no, no, no.

And also I did want, so was moving to New York like kind of a huge fucking deal for you because you like you guys were all there you are la i am la through and through home but it was the whole family was you mark the kids yeah well basically like i said we'd had some trauma and i and i actually think like i don't want cry, but I actually do think that like for Birdie that it is like, you know, it's like big T trauma. Like for what they experienced when they were coming out. And so it was hard there.

And like it's hard living with ghosts and it's hard living in a place where like everything reminds you of a thing that you went through yeah and pain and then um and there were some other extenuating circumstances for my personal life um that i don't want to get into but that's yeah yeah you know and uh and then those and then the fires started last yeah that was tough, like the end of the summer. And I couldn't breathe. And I just had like a bird flying away before an earthquake or something. I just like turned to Mark and was like, we have to get the fuck out of here like right now. And 48 hours later, we flew with the kids and the dog and like a bunch of stuff to New York. And we were only supposed to be here for three weeks.

We were like, we're just going to let things simmer down. Like cool. Yeah. And in those three weeks, I also, you have to remember like fall before the election. It was, it was a panic. I literally left literally i left la too at that time it was it bowen it was like being i know being in the city when the fires

were happening and everything was happening you felt like you couldn't go anywhere no i remember what what you were what you were going through with your family like i i can't even imagine that was real tough it was really tough and then and also like I was so terrified that Trump was going to get reelected. Yeah. That I was like, we have to be close to a Canadian border. Like I was like thinking in terms of like, how am I going to survive an apocalypse? Like I like bought property in the middle of no you know what i mean like i went i went sorry i don't know why i'm laughing that's that's amazing that's incredible because it's like wild

it's like i like doom i went like full doomsday i love it i support i support i support and i was just like just in case we've got it like yes yes you know amazing then and then like week two tina fey literally texted me and was like i have i was gonna ask oh my god wow i didn't because i had heard about the show while the room was happening with like our friend matt whittaker and then we're a good friend of ours but then he's so sweet and also has the best handwriting i've ever seen. He's like a font. He's like a perfect person. Yeah, he's amazing. But he,

you guys moved to New York sort of. I didn't even, Bowen wasn't even on my radar. I didn't know about the fucking show. I didn't even know what it was. Oh my gosh. And then not only that, but like not for it to be just like any job, but like the coolest job. A great job. Oh my God.'ve ever had. A great job. Oh my God.

You deserve it. Oh man. You deserve it. No, you are the best. You know what? I always, every time, every time you have like a great project or a great opportunity,

I'm always like, I just, I'm like so excited that this is a second season and you get to be like so great on it. And I just feel like all the way going back to like obviously Freaks and Geeks, like I loved that show when it was on and like just knowing how fucking funny you were on cougar town i was just like i was like and then i loved the late night show i mean i just i'm such a fan i always root for you and like just so that this happened

and that that it came together after such a fucked moment it's been a hard time but all of this for a lot of people but all of this really illustrates how you probably are so fucking resourceful because I would have never I don't know

I'm just I'm staying at my sister's right now and I'm like looking around at my nieces and my mom who's also like

tired from like just like making sure they're okay and like making sure they don't die second to second. I'm like, I could never be a parent and do what I'm doing now. I could never, I could never do it. And maybe someday it's the hardest thing I could possibly think of. I don't know.

It's shockingly fucking hard. It's like so hard that you're like, no, no, no. Parenting's hard. I get it. And then you're like no no parenting's hard i get it and then you're in it like beyond it yeah oh i would kill myself but i can't because i'm a parent i can't actually fucking do that that's not an option because i gotta stay that's rule of culture number 49 i would kill myself but i can't because i'm a parent love it it's like it is so hard and it's so funny too because i had birdie when i was fairly young for la new york standards um i was 28 and it was because of the writer's strike that was happening not even

a job i literally was like i'm probably not gonna work for a year may as well just like have this baby now and got pregnant immediately um because i also i'm like if you look at me the wrong way i'm pregnant uh and and birdie showed up so i was like 29 years old had this baby i got cast in cougar town when birdie was six and a half months old the pie i did the pilot and you know i now have a almost 13 year old child who's fucking first of all you guys have no idea about this generation they are smart truly wild yeah here's what i'm gonna say to you they do not care if they smell they don't care if they have hair

okay i care if they smell though no i care if they smell i'm sorry matt i do too and and i'm here to tell you they don't give a fuck it doesn't matter what you tell them huh do they care do they don't brush their fucking teeth they don't brush their hair it's just your kids you know it's not it's really not i blame billy for it all you my experience with my teens friends and my teen they are it is like an evolution or something of man it is like that body stuff that we talked about earlier yeah we all have ingrained in us do you think they will never have it no i don't think so and i literally don't think so unbelievable i mean certain kids i mean these kids like these kids of this yes version awareness kids of the awareness i mean okay so for instance so my child obviously

knew they were gay when they were 10 years old came out to me and like honestly i know i've read the books i'm not supposed to say this but like not a surprise to me you know what i mean like supposed to be their own journey and autonomy and all that but like obviously i was like duh so um but that being said like just like the whole awareness and knowledge of all of the things my a friend of mine is on the board at the lgbtq center in los angeles which is like honestly one of the greatest places on Earth. They are doing such incredible work there every day. Teenagers, children, children fucking show up on their doorstep. They had to build an entire wing for kids. Like because they show up and they're like, I have nowhere.

You know, I bought this bus ticket i had nowhere else to go um my friend is on the board there birdie had this like genius idea for a fund rate like not a fundraiser but like a like a charity charity sounds weird i don't even like charity anymore but like just an idea of they saw how much like shit I was getting sent by brands and stuff that I wasn't using. Oh, yeah. Products and like makeup and nail polish and shit. And Birdie was like, you know, the trans teens at the LGBTQ Center should like be able to have some nice stuff, too. Like they deserve Charlotte Tilbury.

They don't. You know, they shouldn't just have to like go to CBS. I was like, give the teens Dr. Sturm. Give these teens Dr. Sturm. Okay, Birdie. Okay. So Birdie started collecting from like wrote this little letter and I sent it out to like some friends and like influencer type humans that I'm friends with and started collecting

all this makeup and we donated it to the teens at the lgbtq center for pride last year even though covid but um it was like four billion boxes and like and i part of the thing was like i was like you have to organize it birdie into like types of makeup and like i just was like i kind of just like made them do more work than you know whatever yeah so we dropped it off and my friend uh kareem who's like a board member there gave us was like we're gonna do a tour with the president whatever so we like we're walking around and birdie was like pointing out flags and like pointing out things and kareem was like um yeah i don't even i don't know what that one is i didn't i am i am learning things on this tour and i was like yeah they know fucking everything i don't know if it's tiktok

or fucking twitch or what tiktok is teaching everyone teaching the children the way it really is it's a really i'm off of it i'm not on it but sure sure i do have to watch it sometimes but then are you saying that they are learning things at the expense well i feel like do they do do these do they not care about how each other how how how other people smell is that i have no way of phrasing this well but it's like they don't care how they smell do they care about what was important to the older generations is just not important to them you want to know why because they are right in the fact that we didn't do a great job of keeping the world going of course if honestly if i get it i i get it because if i'm gen z and i'm looking at older people i'm like

you're gonna tell me fuck you but also like that's the whole thing i mean not not the whole thing right part of the thing i think with with like dismantling the binary and like the non-binary of this gender of of their generation right which is just that like guys guess what none of this fucking matters like you're actually focused on all the wrong shit like the way that you smell and things that you buy to like embellish this thing this shell that you exist inside of and by the way this shell that you exist inside of like doesn't fucking matter either like let's move on there are other things that we need to like worry about now that's not to say that like there are not kids of their generation that i see are just like doing tiktoks where they're like trying to look hot and they're

yeah like vaping i i don't know but i do think that there is like did you guys ever hear the term indigo children when you were young no what is that they're just like they're children that are like born with a higher consciousness okay yeah yeah they're just like sort of like born in a different way and like maybe i don't know sometimes i think about like the neurodivergent movement and like yeah how that also really has a lot to do with the younger generation as well and like how those neurodivergent kids are like maybe that is the fucking next evolution right and like they're sort of operating and existing on a different plane where they can like you know think about greta thorn thornberg why did i just say her name like that thornberg yeah i know i know but i said it like with an

accent like that's not you know I mean I didn't clock it you know who appreciates that Greta Greta you know what maybe but my kids still get mad at me when I say Hawaii so let's be real well you know they think that's appropriate like why no they're just my mom but my mother lived in hawaii uh like after she and my dad got married because he was in the navy and he was stationed there and so i always grew up saying hawaii because my mother like she just had a very theatrical way of it was the text on the page yes anyway guys so i've always said it that way but then at some point birdie was like why do you say hawaii like that like you're not from hawaii mom you're not supposed to say it like that i was like well it is how you're supposed to say it

i think it's case by case that's very cute that they that that birdie's you know kind of grilling you for it calls me out on everything please but it's just like it's like it's like an exchange student coming back saying like barcelona it's like fine it's what i let them or like what is caltro saying anthony hopkins anthony hopkins oh that is so funny. Wow. To have a child that you are like intellectually not sure if you're on their level is so funny. That didn't happen to me. You know what, Matt Rogers? It's exhausting. Yeah.

Like when I was in my late, my dad always told me I know everything. And I have like a Long Island dad. Like I had a Long Island sports dad. And he would tell me one time I was like i wonder who i should ask this question like i said out loud like i have a question i wonder who i should ask when i was little and my dad turned to me and he said you always ask me every question i know everything and i and i i remember being like okay i'm gonna internalize that so there was like a couple decades where i was like my dad knows everything my dad knows everything if he says something it's right and that like

confused me because he is as i found out as an adult a human being who is not always right but that's a very that's a very baby boomer parent way of doing things you know what i mean like and so it's it's it's kind of fascinating that things have swung so far to the other side because it's like um now it's just all about communication and sharing perspective because at that time when i was growing up the millennials parents but by the way let's just let's just say the millennials parents they did not they did the opposite where they were like helicoptering and like doing everything for them yeah are you a millennial we're millennials i mean they're like we're all we're both millennials the three of us are all i'm not a millennial wait i thought you were my age me oh i am 30 no no no i'm horrified

no no i wasn't horrified at all i'm a i'm-year-old man. Wait, what? Yeah. Did you think I was? That's so funny to me. No, I thought I Googled you earlier today. It's a different Matt Rogers. It's a different Matt Rogers. I Googled you earlier today and I was like, you're the same age as me. And then today I was just like, looks fucking amazing. I was like so happy for how you look.

So what happened was. looks fucking amazing i was like so happy for how you look for your you so what now this makes way more now it makes way more sense what had happened was i think you you stumbled upon the american idol contestant matt rogers there's an america okay yeah oh and you know that ruined my life when i was that age and i was like because all i wanted to do when i was 12 years old was be on american idol and then when i saw that matt rogers was like because all I wanted to do when I was 12 years old was be on American Idol and then when I saw that Matt Rogers the American Idol contestant

has sort of already taken that niche I was like well fuck now I can never be on American Idol or else the storyline is going to be we have our second Matt Rogers

31 years old yeah I got you now this is definitely not who I googled earlier and that's completely fine because you know what again it's the fault of my father

for naming me Matt Rogers. We're dragging Rich Rogers today. Because, you know what, Rich? You should have done better. Oh. You know what I mean?

Rich. Why wasn't I named something? No, he's the best. Well, it's funny because I think over time, he realized he didn't know everything.

But I definitely think at the time when he told me that he thought he knew everything, it's so funny, the shock when he told me that he thought he knew everything. It's so funny. The shock that's enveloping you as you've realized I'm not that one person. This entire time I was like, you were born in 78.

You're a year older than me. And then I'm like, this makes so much more sense. I'm almost like I'm embarrassed by myself in this moment. Like I can't tell you. But you don't have to Google. See, this is how I knew. I knew that she didn't know who you but you know i have to google this is how i knew i knew that she didn't know who i was at the emmys bowen you were like trying to gas me up you were like and she said she saw bowen and matt i mean i'm like she saw you at the emmys you're famous when she knew who you were no on that she said i saw you with matt yeah i did she did and you're yes you did matt i did hey matt can you just you know

what matt i'm gonna ask you to hold multiple things being true at one time yeah okay you thought it yes yes number one here's the thing that i need you to hold okay i'm also a professional bitch and like i had to google like a wikipedia oh i always google everybody when i was coming when i was like coming on the show yes literally 10 minutes ago no i mean no right before i pressed like join this zoom meeting right before i just was like just a real quick refresh just a real quick and i just literally saw 78 and i was like, okay, 78. I got it. Oh, that's funny. I didn't realize that.

Wild. Okay. See, and this is why I need, this is why I finally need a Wikipedia because I have enough things now where I could get my own because people are confused.

But basically, just Googled you and the SEO, the search engine optimization is tipping in your favor now because now your name is coming. Your Matt Rodgers is coming up. Your entry is coming up more prominently. Girl, one of these days

Your IMDB came up first. Oh, did it? That's good. There you go. Well, we love that. But I hate IMDB and also I was like, I know his IMDB. I don't need that. I want Wikipedia. I want to know where he's from. So I scrolled down. And so you got like P. I want to know where he's from. So I scrolled down.

And so you got like Pigeon Forge, wherever he's from? No, and I hit the Rancho Cucamonga and I was like, also wild. Like a wild mood, but okay. No, no. I swear to God, this is... Oh my God, wait.

And now I see who this Matt Rogers is and this is definitely not you. No, couldn't be us. It's actually so funny how few things we have in common except potentially him being on American Idol and me at a young age wanting to be. That's sort of and you know what else? There's a candidate

for office name Matt Rogers and his Twitter handle is at PolitaDope and he constantly gets all the Matt Rogers traffic. I'm just named something that approximately 100,000 other people are named. And that's just a burden I carry. I'm not a Bowen Yang or a Busy Phillips.

That's true. That's true. Do you ever think about changing it? I did think about changing it. I almost changed it. And this is going to, God, the readers are going to drag me for this one. I almost changed it to Mac Rogers. M-A-C Rogers.

Wow! I'm shocked. I'm shocked. You've never told me this. Yeah, because I thought I'll still be able to respond to it. Because I didn't want to create a fake name when I was already an adult. You're right.

No, you're right. This is actually the very elegant route. I wanted to be able to respond to it like if people were like this hard m and a hard a m and a hard a like mac i could still do that yeah sure but then i was like i can't possibly be named mac like there's not a goddamn way and so i continued to live my life as matt rogers and i always sort of stick to the thing of like it's okay if a million people are named this because one day they will be able to distinguish me. One day. They will.

And I can and I do, except for my failing earlier this evening when I just like quickly was scrolling. But also there, I was in college, there was this kid whose name was Matt. And like junior year, not freshman year, junior year decided to go by Kevin. Decided to change his name. That's a lateral move.

That's so lateral. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He went from Matt to Kevin. And then we were all so fucking confused. And when you would reference him, you would just be like, you know, Kevin, Matt, Matt, Kevin, you know,

it's like going from Ryan to Chris. It's like, okay, cool. Wild. Well, anyway, that's insane.

We, okay, but wait, we have to ask the question. We are, we are, we are sort of flying through this episode at, at a joyous and sort of raucous pace,

but we have to know. I adore you. Well, this is a love fest and sort of raucous pace, but we have to know. I adore you. This is a love fest. And you'll come back. But Busy, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Bowen, do you want to sort of elaborate on the question? You don't have to.

I know. I listen to the podcast. Okay, okay, okay. Alright, Busy, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me for you people mag people wow my mother was a subscriber since the eight like early 80s guys i was born in 79 and i would devour every issue and i just i mean people mag to me was everything like i mean that was celebrity culture that was how you found out what was going on yeah everything everything i earlier tonight was actually thinking about this question and i was like was it boz lerman's romeo and juliet was it sure could have been could have been but if i'm being honest, it was People Mag 1984. It was Ryan White on the cover.

It was like fucking. Wow, iconic cover. Iconic cover. No, I read every fucking People magazine. My mom may still have a subscription. I don't know. I know that I subscribe personally to People mag online

still great thank you for still supporting still support new media media um new old media but star tracks revolutionary yeah wow so wait favorite issues i mean was the sexiest man alive issue sort of a big moment people's most beautiful like what what were favorite events i mean i did love i did love the most beautiful uh i never like was super down with the sexiest because it's like not my vibe like i'm never on board with like a hugh jackman per se yeah i i don't usually agree like remember a few years ago who did they pick you oh when they picked blake shelton i was like who was this people people were yeah what's this for and also like i'm not saying he should have been who they picked but like he sits next to adam levine every

week you're gonna say that's the sexiest man alive like i see someone more attractive that he sits next to matt you like adam because he favors you more. What do you mean? What are you saying? You're like more of an Adam Levine type. Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Some people's types is Blake Shelton. We'll give them that. I mean, you know, I did work with someone who said... No, not Gwyneth. What's her name? Gwen. Gwen. Well, she must be a Gwyneth.

In a way. I don't think she is a Gwyneth. I think she's just Gwen. She's Gwen. Gwen. Well, she must be a Gwyneth. In a way. I don't think she is a Gwyneth. I think she's just Gwen. She's Gwen. I worked with someone on Hot Dog who was a producer on The Voice. And I asked one time, I was like, what's the deal with Blake Shelton? And she said to me, you know what? In person, you get it.

You really get it. Wait, full confesh. So I actually, I have known adam levine for a really long time hot and totally and the first season of the voice i don't remember why or what i don't even remember what was happening we went over to adam's house at the time. He was like, hey, guys, come over. We're having this like some people over to watch the finale. And so we went and Blake was there and he was sitting on this table in the backyard. And he and I were chatting and I did fucking get it.

I fully fucking got it. A hundred percent. I believe it. In person, you get it. Also, people don't just end up in those situations like there's got to be that je ne sais quoi yeah very sparkly very magnetic and like real funny and real real cute and real like and the other thing is is like i mean i don't know if he's a narcissist but he had the thing that people that i have known who are narcissists have, where when they look at you,

you feel as though the entire world falls away. Yep. That is a narcissist. That's a thing that narcissists have? Oh. Oh, honey, honey. So it's an external thing. It's an externalized thing.

When a narcissist turns their focus on you for however long it is, it's almost as if like in a cartoon, the entire rest- They make you feel like a narcissist. Yes, the entire rest of the world falls away and it's like all like sparkles and you're just like locked into this moment

because they're so like, their gaze on you, shining their light on you, which is why when a narcissist- It's like being in a K-hole, Bo. It is like being in a K-hole. You guys, I was a teenager in the 90s. I went to so many raves.

Yeah, you've been in K-holes. I knew it. You know what I mean. I knew it when I first saw you. So, which is why when a narcissist then takes their light away, it is so freezing cold. Because then it is just- This makes total- Wow. It's flat just wow this just killed me it's pitch black you just like locked in the reason why i i have been able to get over this guy matt knows what

i'm talking about yeah oh please there's this guy there's this guy that is ruining my life because of his influence on bowen and i just keep keep trying to sort of- And he's a narcissist. And he does. That's what it is. And Blake, and this is the Blake Shelton effect. I don't know. I just know I felt that a little bit with Blake Shelton.

I don't know. This is what I'm saying. I don't know. I believe it though. I cannot say that he is that. Cannot confirm or deny. Yes, yes, yes. Right.

I have had experiences and relationships, both romantic and non-romantic, with narcissists. And I know that feeling. And I remember meeting Mr. Shelton in that backyard for 10 fucking minutes and being like, it's the feeling. It's the feeling. Oh, no, it's so cold when he looks away. Oh, my God. I'm in the dark. No, that's so real. he looks away oh my god no that's this is so interesting it's hard

it's hard okay i have two things i'm so much older than you i have so many things you know no what do you mean this is this is perfect okay hold on i knew exactly what you said when you said ryan white issue i was right there with you maybe i was born in 78 and i just forgot the first thing i want to talk about is like people was kind of the only game in town besides entertainment tonight but like it didn't maybe the people were weekly no but us weekly no not when i was not when i was not when i was coming up i was speaking this late 90s it was mid 90s right you're right you're right you're right i don't have the timeline quite right but people was sort of like people was classy

also there was always like like also you know what like Long Island Lolita was like on the cover the guy who did my nose job did the woman who Amy Fisher shot Mary Botafuco

and Busy I want to say not that this matters but I medically needed to get it done so i've got a medically medically necessary nose job non-elected guy non-elective the guy who did my surgery put mary jo's face back together okay and did a great job yeah and you know what look at it for everyone for everyone that's a beautiful nose. Thank you so much. Gorgeous nose. You're so welcome. But I had to, I had to, I had to jump in there

on Long Island Lolita. No, no, no, no. Huge TV story. No, but that was like, that was like a great cover. Yes. That was a great people cover. I mean,

all of them, Liz Taylor, like just fucking every single one. Was Yep, I'm Gay people? Yep, I'm Gay was people, right? Yep, I'm Gay. Was it? It was time. Or entertainment time. It was time. It was time. It was time. It was time. Time was Yep, I'm Gay people? Yep, I'm Gay was people, right? Yep, I'm Gay. Was it? Or Entertainment Time.

It was Time. It was Time. It was Time. Oh, fuck, it was Time. Time was Yep, I'm Gay. Yeah, Yep, I'm Gay. That's a really cool number 102. Time was Yep, I'm Gay.

Yep, I'm Gay. And like this, like this, right? With the hands out. Yep, I'm Gay. No, no, she's on one knee. The original shrug emoji. No, like this. Yep, I'm cruel.

Just like, wait. And then I... Never been nice to me, but okay. Yeah. I have a question. The surprise register is very loud. I have a question about people. Busy.

Was it bizarre when you happened upon yourself in a People magazine? No. What was... Did it change your relationship okay go no no no no bowen i was thrilled it was the thrill of my fucking life when i made it finally into a people mag yes um i was devastated oh no devastated when my book came out um i read a book guys yeah oh no selling this will only hurt a little yep and when my book came out i was devastated

that the only publication that was so reductive in their five bombshells from Busy Phillips new memoir with People Mag. So devastated that I wrote a letter to Jess Cagle. Wasn't it Jess Cagle? Jess Cagle. I was so fucking hurt.

I was like, guys, of all the public, I have literally read your mag since I was eight years old. That's not hyperbolic. That is a legitimate fact. I have like every plane crash on the cover, every like child murdered, every fucking celebrity wedding. Every Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt non-story. You guys have no idea i've been a subscriber

and a supporter a literal reader a literal reader since i was a child and of all the publication of all the fucking publications to do the thing that I so was so terrified would happen when I wrote a memoir. It was people. And God damn it. How dare you? Like, I was so fucking mad. Do you mean they just like tab the tab, the stuff that was like more like, well, it was like, geez, Franco pushed her to the ground.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then like literally like in bold letters, like, she had an abortion at 15. Right, right.

Like, I was just like, how are you fucking doing this? This is, you guys are legit. I would expect, I would expect this from Us Weekly. I never expect,

I never saw it coming. Is that what you said in the letter? I would expect this or must be i remember like i was so mad i was so mad when us weekly kind of kind of stomped to the forefront like they were like the the the one of record there for like a couple years and they really made a hard left into tabloid i i was so disappointed because it it really did become like one of those like what is that what did frank last me say when she was like is tom cruise dead it really it genuinely became like one of

those people that was like jennifer aniston three tits and divorced again it's just like what are you talking about it but it became like that and i was so mad because i loved fashion police i was obsessed with Fashion Police. It was my, it was my, Fashion Police was some of my first exposure to American comedy because we just moved from Canada.

Yeah. We had a subscription for us weekly from the previous resident. And then I would just flip to like Joan Rivers talking about like, you know, what, what,

you know, Janet Jackson wore or whatever the hell. Like literally, it would be that. Whenever anyone was wearing like a feather ensemble there was without fail there was a joke that was like how many muppets did you have to kill to make this right my 10 year old ass would think that was so funny that they had to kill muppets to make a garment i thought that was the funniest shit ever and i would roll roll. I was in Fashion Police a couple times. Oh, no.

Featured a couple times. Did you deserve? Probably. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, look at me. I love a bold print. You know what I mean? Right now.

We love that. Bold people need a bold print. You take a big swing. But Joan was amazing. And she was nice. And I went on Fashion Police on E. Oh, you did? Like when I was on E.

Oh, yeah. And I sat in joan's lap and she was a delight and actually i just had this reading from a medium um and my yeah it's gonna be on my podcast later like we recorded it for the podcast because casey saint on she was my partner she was my showrunner on Busy Tonight, you know, she wrote for Joan. Oh! For years, she wrote, like, jokes for her and would write, like, punch-up things for her, whatever, they were good friends.

And Joan came through on the reading. She did? What? Oh, we have to listen to that one. When is that one coming out? I don't know, we have to figure it out. Because we did this like, we did this thing with the medium,

which was fucking, you guys, this medium was fucking wild. Had you done a reading before? Well, honey, like I said, I'm a real LA bitch. I've done everything.

You know what I mean? Yes, of course. It's like, we've gone through the journey. I have so many crystals on and I'm like constantly calling in the spirits, whatever. But this medium was unreal and had things that were like,

it's not Google-able. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the whole reason why we even, like how I even got in touch with her was that shantira jackson who's a writer i don't know yes oh my god we've known shantira for years yeah so shantira who's having a reading with her and my fucking grandma came through in the reading and was like oh my god and shantira's reading in shantira this is like shantira and i like we text we you know she we're not doing the podcast together anymore because she's like working on big mouth and she's just

like i'm overwhelmed and i need to like focus on this i'm like great live your life um she's booking yeah she really is and she texted me out of nowhere this is so random but i was having a reading with a medium and this old lady came through a grandma with my grandma and she said that her granddaughter was elizabeth and she has a tattoo on her foot do you have a tattoo on your foot and i was like yes bitch i have a tattoo on my foot and here's the kicker elizabeth and here's the kicker. My grandma never called me busy. She only called me Lilibet, which is weirdly like the new name of the Harry and Megan baby. Yeah.

Lilibet. Yeah. Elizabeth's and busy. Oh, my God. Like she refused to call me busy, but she would call me like these other weird nicknames. Yeah. And so she fucking came through so i was like well this is wild i gotta talk to this lady so shantira put

me in touch with the medium and then we had this and i was like can my producer casey come and can we record it for my podcast and then we did and it was wild and the medium was like doing here's the things well joan fully came through here's the thing that i'm trying like that is so hard to impart how it's not googleable she was doing um body movements okay that my grandmother did like what like like that full vessel really specific movements like that my grandma did too like my grandma would do these like little like dance step things that i've never fucking taught me it's just like a weird thing that she would do when i was a little kid and she was my grandma yeah and this lady fully fucking did them on the zoom and i was like no i'm so sorry what are you doing guys

ready for this fucking bullshit at two hours after we record this session with this lady i'm downstairs my younger one cricket comes downstairs she's seven she'll be eight in july and she's like mom you want to see the dance i just came up with no and does the same a fucking a dance dance i came up with what did you do grandma did that this lady this medium did on the zoom session i was like i'm way busy i'm i'm on bing i'm on bing and i just i just binged Binged Busy Phillips grandma dance and it's the first result. It's the first result. Shut the fuck up.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Wait, so then, I thought you were for real. I was like, God damn it. Matt,

Matt. This is freaky. That's how I know I am YouTube because I am the one that's like, I fully buy into all of it. Like, do you ever watch? I buy into it.

I say, well, you were not into astrology until we like started talking about it. Really? Okay. But do you ever, have you ever been on away from the mic? He's like very recently.

Okay. But do you, have you ever been on or do you watch Tyler Henry Hollywood media? AKA what I call twink psychic. He wanted, he wanted to, he wanted me to be on his show. You have to go on. I said, no, I said i said no i couldn't do it because matt because i've had because i've had a famous friend die and i'm just like i don't want the whole show to be like about heath ledger okay yeah that's like i just can't yeah i can't do

that unfortunately what it would be yeah and i can't do that to no and i can't do that to my goddaughter i can't do this i can't do it no no no no no no that's why i've always said no you you must continue to say no yeah yeah and i will but in but in the privacy of your own medium home like go off sure well the medium is off she had there were so many people that showed up and it was fucking wild and she was incredible like, it was a pretty crazy night. Like, a really crazy night. I might text you for her information because I'm trying to get... Let's get her on the pod.

You should get her on the pod, too. Oh, my God. And then she's the next Tyler. Like, whatever. Well, we just copped this idea straight from your podcast, but, I mean, we'll do it. My podcast is so much less successful

than this one. I don't give a fuck. What are you talking about? That's not true at all. You probably chart better than us, for sure. I mean, we'll do it. My podcast is so much less successful than this one. I don't give a fuck. What are you talking about? That's not true at all. You probably chart better than us for sure. Guys, I have no idea. Wait, I don't know how podcast. Okay.

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you had already known at that point that like entertainment media is like mostly hollow it was my biggest fear though in writing a memoir it was my biggest fear because of course i was like i'm gonna do it and i'm gonna name names because fuck it when people don't and I am so bad and then part two is that I hate reading people's memoirs when they were like I don't know why I ended up like fucked in the head and then an actor but here we are like I'm funny like it's like you're where's the chunk of the part where you like had the trauma like what's? It's the only thing that's interesting to me are origin stories. You know what I mean? And like they all build upon each other building blocks.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I wanted to do it in the way that was like the most truthful way I could do it. But my biggest fear was being reduced to like celebrity gossip. Right. Because I actually also, you you know have a certain amount of um hubris and i think i'm a better fucking writer than that and like yeah of course and i and i'm

just like well i reject that because i'm actually smarter you know then you're just totally and to see to see a publication like people that you've loved your whole life. It was a real bummer. And flick that on you. Yeah, make it feel like a Heidi Montag thing. It's bullshit. Exactly. And I was just like, fuck you. I'm not Tori Spelling.

Like, bless. Like, I love. But like, also, like, I wrote this book myself and I think it's really good and I like it and i told a lot of deeply personal stories that were like very uh meaningful and also revealed a lot of actual trauma like actual fucking trauma in my life and like for it to be reduced to like she was raped at 15 she had an abortion or 14 she had an abortion at 15 i was like fuck you guys like that's that's all i am to you like that's all i am is just like a lady that you can put a fucking sidebar on where you like list the most traumatic things that have happened to me in my life in like chronological order like go fuck in like in

like a drop shadow font exactly a drop you know what a drop shadow font was like honestly the worst part um wait speaking of celebrity gossip and i i i don't mean to i don't mean to like veer into this territory but i am curious to hear your thoughts as someone who like has knowledge around like entertainment media but like now like now that now this market is fully in like dimwa stranglehold where like anyone can just make up anything about anyone's lives and like you're on it like enough times where people are like she's not with her kid it's like it's or whatever it's i'm just making this up but it's like but and then like for me like the lighter version is like um always being tagged and things that are like sabo and yang walking in like madison square park and i'm like that wasn't me honey like it's just like now this is like

dangerously like very like running off a cliff where it's like oh like it's a crowdsourced lie is what i'm worried that like this is becoming i don't know it's always like that though they always lied i mean gawker guys gawker you guys were you guys were tweens no but i know i loved gawker it's coming back it's coming back okay well let me tell you a story strapping no i'm kidding um but years and years ago there was a gawker stalker about me that said that i was like making out with a guy in a bar in brooklyn and here's the truth i had just gotten married to mark i was in that bar in brooklyn with michelle i wasn't making out with a guy at all make it with your husband no he wasn't there he was in la but like but it caused

like a great amount of like personal fucking drama and stress in my life. And like, of course, also, it was just fucking insane. Like I was in that bar. I was with Michelle. I wasn't making out with this fucking girl's friend. Like what? What the fuck? That's so fucked.

This was, I mean, I mean, this was 15, like 14 fucking years ago, right? The point is that like anyone's truth can become the truth in the internet, right? And it is truly fucked. And part of the reason why I like loved social media in its beginning. Nascent stage. Yeah, when it was exciting still and promising was that it was like offered me an opportunity to have my own voice on my own and like i didn't feel that i was um you know sort of like jailed by some fucking gawker stalker bitch who was like, she was at this bar making out with this dude. When I was like, I was fully at that bar.

It was not making out with that fucking dude, bitch. Do you remember what bar it was? No, I don't. Because at the time, I like really- I'm going to say it was drop-off service. It was near the old McCarran pool, like- Oh, it was Brooklyn. It was in Brooklynoklyn because that's

michelle's vibe but yeah i'm in the city matt don't let's not fucking fuck around i get it you know no i trust me drop off services on the 13th and b okay so i was giving you more credit but anyway like i just know, it is really difficult. It's difficult that like people can sort of come up with a thing about you. And like they were saying that you and Mark were like divorced on Demois. Right now. Just fucking crazy. No, no, no.

Like months ago. And I wanted to be like, I wanted to like DM them directly. Be like, this is so. And then they debunked it quickly later with like someone else's submission they were like oh she's definitely still married like everyone like everyone like fall back but it's like it's also like wild like like randomly somebody on instagram the other day i was like are you still with mark like i'm like first of all bitch like what when am i answering this who are you yes on your oh my god on my comments of my post of my kid like what are you talking about what is

happening what is happening yeah like it's a certain amount of like shit that we sign up for and then shit that we're just like i don't think we signed up for this i don't think any of us signed up for this uh i think we did a little because for dimwatt for dimwatt to have in their bio none of what we say is actually factual is like fucking stupid what is i'm sorry you guys what is dimwatt okay it's an instagram page blind item it's like a blind item and honestly basically a lot of it is just like i saw so and so like they saw me walking with an iced coffee

on Franklin Ave and I can confirm it was me like wait what's the other one that's like the other one it's like a

what's the other one that I you have to be is it private is Dimwatt private Dimwatt is private they're all fucking private

but like fuck them for being private that's the other thing like make yourself fucking public if you have any balls you motherfuckers exactly no like there's another one that's like i don't know it's like ciao bella or whatever the fuck it is and it's and it's like it's like still like like busy phillips was that yeah like all time picking up to go on on you know vermont or what is all i love all hillhurst hillhurst

don't you miss hillhurst i love mustard seed i go all the time i heard maru is a real scene now yeah there's lines out the door for that coffee well during during reservation era covid it's like you know it's hard to get in anywhere i guess so um what are your thoughts before okay two thoughts number one terrazzo that's my first thought number two guys terrazzo is everything i'm i'm i'm happy to know number two here's my other thought like it is fascinating to me like people's fascination with blinds well i get it and does not pretend we all don't get it it's a fill in the blank and like and so like the brain is like the brain's favorite thing to do is like try to fill in missing information and then like conjecture and then assume things and that's what blind items do like and it's so i'm sort of fascinated by the veneer cracking because i feel and i'm just going to trace it back to

growing up like a gay kid i always wanted to be in the entertainment industry and i always felt like what was prohibiting me from being in the entertainment industry or being a quote-unquote star or being able to do what i knew i loved was the fact that I was gay. I thought that was unfair. So I always thought to myself, I know that some, I know that a lot of these guys are gay. I know that a lot of these people have certain things that are different about them, but no one is, no one is reflecting that back to me, someone who looks up to them. Cause I was also, I read all the magazines too. And like, I watched, you know, access Hollywood entertainment tonight. Like I wanted to be part of that too. And like, I watched, you know, Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight. Like, I wanted to be part of that world.

And I felt like it was all these like very straight, white, attractive people. And I was like, I understand that this is like a world where all these things are true. And then as I got a little bit older, I was like, what the fuck? And so I think that what fascinates me about the blind item culture of it all, and I get that it's cruel and speculative and weird, but I kind of am a little obsessed sometimes with the burn it all down of it all.

Like I love in the last five years, it kind of becomes like, you know what? People are all out here saying their truth. People are out there saying their experiences, owning up to what makes them different, owning up to things they've done that were wrong, saying things that have happened to them, because I actually think it reflects back to people that look up to them, a more realistic world, not saying a defensive blind item culture. But when I see a blind item that is like so-and-so A-list actor is actually gay and been with his partner for three years, part of me is like so and so a-list actor is actually gay and been with his partner for three years part of me

is like well who is it because i would like to know who it is because does that do anything for you though does that do anything for you i i not to be like not to make this connection but representation does matter and there's there was none there was none but i i'm confused are you saying that it is is encouraging to you when you're like oh some closet case i'm not i'm not calling it encouraging i'm saying it's it's it's recognizing the fact that these people are not just this like unattainable thing like there's a lot of and i'll just use sexuality as an example of this there's a lot of people out there that have a lot more in common with the general population than i think hollywood would have everyone realize so that's what i think the blind item culture

attracts in people i think it just makes them say oh people have skeletons in my closet like i do they're not just this perfected ideal that's what i'm saying all of the like social media shit and like i hate uh i hate like a performative realness like or like a performative vulnerability right like that like bums me the fuck out um but i do think and i do think that the more we can like be honest and open and like if you're in the public sphere you can like share your experience and blah blah blah now having had the experience that i've had in the last only several months since my kid and i talked about their desire like their desire for me to like share their sexuality and gender on like my podcast on my platform with people who are like my fans but then it's gonna get extrapolated and it's gonna be put into the ether of like the fucking fucking world and spun out there like matt can i just tell you that i am a 41 i'm gonna be 42 in two weeks woman who has like

fucking been through it seen it learned it accepted the privilege learned it again fucking here for it like got it feel great all right best body in 2019 early 2020 anyway and like and when i tell you that some of the messages that i get on a daily basis make me want to fucking curl into a shell and die right like about my child about me like about that i'm like oh that's why that's why yeah that's why yeah you want to keep the fence as high as it can go absolutely and as strong as it can be and why the blinds can be so no matter what they are no matter what they are and i'm not just talking about like this is my fucking experience because of you know my fucking experience right whatever they are like you just that feeling of being attacked for just existing in the way you want to exist is hard.

Invasive, painful. Yeah. I think I'm just speaking to what the interest is and not whether or not it should be. But I think there's a separation between like. But the interest is starting to creep into like. I 100% agree. Harm. Into harm. It's also been the last five plus years of like our cultural shift in like, you know, having these people who've been empowered to think that like the way to get any point across is to be as loud and hateful and vengeful as possible and that they're like

empowered by like a higher power even which is also we know i mean for sure well but whatever they believe but it's fucking bonkers right for real and so i don't know like it's it's really tricky for me because it doesn't seem like it's like harmless like or not even harmless like or it's like relatable like i want to know like i want people to like be empowered to like be and live and like whatever because yeah i a hundred percent understand because there's such fucking hatred of course and there's such awful fucking people who use it as an opportunity i mean i don't know no i mean like i i hate that i'm getting uh cloying about my sexuality on you know pride month or whatever

but i'm like i am constantly thinking about especially lately i'm like oh if people are like so upset and flared up at me showing up on tv and they think i am like the gayest person in the world i promise i wish i was i promise them i am not but if you're like freaked out over me, then like, that sucks for everyone else who's like, living out some queerness that is like, much more pronounced and externalized and like, and just is like, more, let's just say like, obvious than me. And I'm like, that bums me. I'm not saying like, oh, like, woe is me. I'm'm saying like this just sucks for everyone else and I'm like and I hate that I'm saying this about like

a cis me as a cis gay man but I'm like what if I'm going through this and like then we've got a long fucking way to go and I don't think we've come as far as we as we think we have because I mean I will just be honest and I don't mean to bring the mood down but like I have like

absolutely like bordered into like suicidal thoughts I have like I have like I have and I don't mean to bring the mood down, but like, I have like absolutely like bordered into like suicidal thoughts. I have like, I have like, I have like, I've run up to the line. The toe is like crossed into the other, into the other side. And like,

I don't want to deal with this. I don't want to deal with this. This is not worth it. This is not worth it. It, I mean, I, yes. And I like, and I think, I i mean i think about this fucking month and i'm like

i was talking to bird about it and i was like do you want to do the parade this month do you want to like go and like this is the first time we drove past it last year in West Hollywood. Oh, cute. Fucking waved. You know, I mean, it was like still COVID, lockdown, and also Birdie hates crowds and hates being hot. These are two things that are just inalienable truths So it's what pride is all about. I know, and I was like, baby, that's what it is. And Birdie was like, it's not for me. And I was like, no, that's perfect.

Probably not. But they were like maybe but let me just say to you that i came home from work shooting girls five eva like the night of the insurrection and i had been working all day and at my lunch hour one of the pas and i sat in a room in the house that we were shooting in and watched the fucking television and cried and it was a hard fucking day and i came home and i went up to my 12 year old child's room and my kid said did you see what happened today and i was like oh yeah baby i saw is, it is truly fucked. It is so wild.

And, you know, we are doing all the things that we can do, your dad and me and like other people that we know. And like, we're doing all the shit we can do to help prevent more shit like that in the future and these people and whatever. And Bernie looked at me and said, they want me dead. They want me dead, mom.

They want me dead. And what the fuck are you supposed to say to that? Because the answer is, you're right. They do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's a fucking bummer and this is what this is why i'm sorry to make to bring this back to this point but i'm like this is why i could never be a parent this is why i can't do it oh my god it's hard and bowen i want to say to you in that moment exhausted from working a 12-hour fucking day

exhausted from the state of the fucking union exhausted from fighting my own fight for like fucking women's rights which birdie and I talked about yesterday and I need to say are people's rights because lots of people need health care who have uteruses who aren't women that is a fucking fact birdie thank you for that conversation yeah yeah but like i was exhausted and when birdie said that to me on that night fucking january whatever six what was it i don't know it wasn't the six that was it was it was the six yeah oh it was okay there you go yeah when they said that to me i was like you're right they do they do but you know what we're not gonna let them like we're not gonna let them and i'm not gonna let them no one's gonna fucking let them you're right but that's not

they're no i know 12 i know i know i know But they're old enough to know that if you had said that's not true, then they would have known that you were lying to them. Yeah, and condescending to them, yeah. And patronizing. And so I think you said exactly what you had to quote unquote say. I don't know. Well, you never know. You're never going to know.

But I can tell you're a great fucking mom. I'm fine. I'm fine. But I fuck up all the time. And I'm like not my own person that's the thing too like you're like my dad was never wrong and he was like blah and then i learned he was a person i'm constantly like i am you're right you know i allowed probably too much runway for them to be like both of my kids to be like you fucking suck you're the worst because i'm like i

am a person i'm doing i and then i also now i hate saying i'm doing my best because that's the name of my podcast and so it does feel like a little bit cheesy to me when i say that because i mean we can't say i don't think so honey anymore we used to say i don't think so that's what i why don't i take that and you guys can take yes we'll switch oh yeah yeah i'm doing this. We'll switch. I was saying the medium idea, but yes, we will take I'm doing this. No, Bowen is like, I'm on the phone with the medium already.

Guys, sorry this is so dark. I didn't mean to drag it down. The good news is it's not over because now we have to transition to our, speaking of segments, I don't think so honey so basically you know this is the one minute segment where we take the time to sort of rail against something in pop culture culture etc at all that is sort of getting to us so much so that we have

to just spend a minute sort of ranting about it um i do have one traditionally i do go first bow should i should i sort of i have one yeah if you yes yes i'm yes i want to hear it can i say you have to come back because i have so more questions for i mean first of all like it's a joy talking to you but i have so many more questions like when i found out you're like you have a story credit on blades of glory i need to know about that like how do you read the book read my yeah but i want you to come back too. So both. How about that? All right.

So I do have one. Okay. Okay. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey the concept of a freak number.

So basically, some people will ask each other, what's your freak number? Now, what they're saying is like, in terms of a freak number, like how much of a freak are you one through 10 in bed? This is a question that one Andy Cohen asked all the time the time and i was watching watch what happens live last night when he had uzo aduba and the fucking hot john benjamin hickey on his show

break my arm so basically he asked john benjamin hickey what's your freak number 30 seconds and he said about a six. And Andy said, no, you're at 10. Now, I don't think so, honey, saying your freak number is a 10, because if I'm at a one through 10 and 10 is the max, 10 means like some 50 shades of gray stuff or like some, you know, like blood stuff. 15 seconds. If it's going as far as you can go and then you say you're a 10, that means you're into

some stuff. So I don't know. I feel like everyone's rubric is different. Like if're gonna say 10 then be willing to back that up and i know you can't five seconds i guess i'm about a seven 7.5 maybe eight if you catch me on a good day but i don't think so honey this number and that's one minute now andy rejected the number six and said and and conferred upon him that he was a 10 that's not so i guess he's been friends with with mr hickey for quite some time and he had uzo aduba do a sort of thing where he was a 10 that's not so i guess he's been friends with with mr hickey for quite some time and he had uzo aduba do a sort of thing where he was like uzo you asked me a question

about john and i'm gonna answer and if if i get it wrong john can spray me in the face with water so uzo asked what is john's freak number and andy said 10 and john sprayed him right in the face and said what he said what why he's doing that in his andy cohen way and then so john goes i'm a six and he was like you're not a six you're a tad man and i was kind of just like this is interesting because how could he possibly be a 10 10 is like scary for a freak number. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Maybe Andy Cohen just like himself has a high freak number

and just projects that onto other people. I'm sure Andy has a high freak number. This is what I'm going to say. I hope he does. It was just like there's a lot of projection happening in that moment.

Yes. I will say that Andy's smart enough to know it. I think that I think he was just sitting there getting all excited and he was looking at John Benjamin Hickey, his friend who's hot and he said he's a high freak number because let me tell you something that man he's so hot and he's such a good actor

busy are you watching in treatment i haven't watched it yet the new one no you're gonna love it you're gonna love it you're gonna love it anyway he's hot as hell and the freak number thing he's always been hot yeah he's he's got he's a silver fox he's got love that oh well anyway and an emmy and an emmy in his hand we love that for them i don't think come september um all right so listen bowen yang i turn to you as whitney houston once said for your i don't think so honey are you ready I'm ready okay well this in that case is Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey his time starts now I don't think so

honey it taking a million weeks for levitating featuring da baby to go number one it's been 84 years and it is a perfect pop song it should not have taken this long for it to hit number one and you long for it to hit number one.

And you have four Dua. Today it went to number one. Congratulations to the team. She posted a lovely note today on main on grid saying, oh my God, we did it. You, you had this girl post every single day that the chart placement of

levitating feature of featuring the baby. And I just feel like this is a cruel and unusual punishment to put this girl in music, in chart purgatory, in limbo for this whole time. And she has to fucking dance and jump through hoops. Literally, maybe I'm sure she did a version where she jumped through hoops. Five seconds.

For her to make sure this song hit number one, and now she can finally rest easy and everyone should stream Love Again. The new single is, You got me in love again. God damn, you got me in love again. Love again, God damn. She's in that chic, like... Busy vocalist.

I mean, duh, if she's in the pop group Girls5eva. To hear it live. By the way, wait, can I say that not... We didn't talk enough group girls5eva to hear it live by the way wait can I say that not we didn't talk enough about girls5eva but we didn't it's sort of it's sort of like it goes without saying that we love and we really do but the last episode I was crying at the end of the

song it's gorgeous and then I loved when you guys all went up with Sarah and did it live at the Hollywood Bowl that was so fucking fun tomorrow which this isn't live, but you guys, tomorrow we're on the Today Show

and we do it again. Chatting about the renewal? No, we sing. No, I know, but like, you're going on. We don't chat. We don't chat.

You're just singing. Tina is on chatting and then they cut, and then they like cut to us and we sing Four Stars. Four Stars. Wow. Which is a bop.

Such a good. What? I think they're all kind of bangers. I listen to Famous Five Ever almost every day. It's so good. And Dream Girlfriend. Dream Girlfriend is my favorite and you know my favorite line is we got the kind of birth control that goes that goes in your arm and tell

me again how tarantino's a genius you'll never wanna wake up from my favorite line from dream girlfriend is it's so fucking good my favorite lyric from uh dream girlfriends is um because we're the kind of girls who wear cowboy hats to a bar i mean by the way it's like everything rings true that's what's like amazing about the lyrics is that they're like absurd and yet so truthful. So well observed. Absurd but observed. Ooh, observed.

Wait, absurd but observed is like on a t-shirt. Come on, let's sell it. Wait, but what I wanted to say before we do busy i don't think it's funny is wait what is the song about the um kid in the city what's it oh it's new york lonely boy i love i love it it's so funny to me but every every single song hits for me you're right but but i mean four stars is just it's just the hit song it's just it's sarah it's really sweet it's really sweet and it's like got so much warmth and heart and like how lucky i fucking am in this like hail mary like 11th hour fucking whatever to get this job. Not a leavened tower. You guys,

you guys, you guys, I'm essentially, you guys, I'm essentially Jean Smart. Like this is my farewell tour. You know what I mean? Like,

let's be real. Shut up. I'm about to be 42. My ship has sailed. You and Michelle are going to have a big reunion project and like the world is going to bust their dams

and come all over the floor just wait I have this movie that I'm going to direct oh yeah I'm so excited about it I can't get into it but Michelle's going to be in it and it's going to be so good

I fucking stand Michelle and I saw Cabaret gonna be in it yes and it's gonna be so good it's gonna be so good i'm fucking can i say something i fucking stand michelle and i saw cabaret opening night i don't know how this happened same but i was there too okay well you were probably in the front me and sudi were in the literal back row i'm not kidding you we don't know how we got tickets we were walking through the the like area where you get drinks and cynthia nixon was talking to bradley talking to Bradley Cooper okay and so we were but I'm telling you Michelle killed it oh my god she fucking

crushed and Michelle went back to the original isher word text there you go there you go and also that's what makes rewatch my week with Marilyn now because when because there's a there's a line that, that she goes and I think it's iconic and I always will do it to my

friends. Even my gayest friends. I'll do this line too. And they'll be like, what's that from? I go, shall I be her? And they go,

who? And then you say, Marilyn, it is iconic. When she turns to Eddie Rayman and says shall I be her because there's press outside I fucking love it

I think I said that's like Lewis and he didn't know what I was talking about and I was like go to hell just you telling me that right now

like in this moment I'm a little bit like we all should have shall I be her shall I be her shall I be her every day before I walk out into Franklin Avenue with an iced coffee I say shall I be her? Shall I be her? Shall I be her? That's how, every day before I walk out into Franklin Avenue

with an iced coffee, I say, shall I be her? Shall I be her? Because I know Dumois is going to be watching. Dumois is going to cover it. And also like,

Dumois, go fuck yourselves. I can't. I'm a not. Well, even pre the, I don't think so honey. Speaking of negative thoughts,

it's time busy for your, I don't think so honey. You're not ready for my, I don't think so honey. Yes. Oh, okay., for your I Don't Think So Honey. You're not ready for my I Don't Think So Honey. Yes. Oh, okay. We'll see about that.

Dang. All right. Bowen, are you going to time or should I? I'll time her. Yes, this is Busy. This is Busy Phillips' I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now.

This is so specific. I Don't Think So Honey, New York produce. What are you doing? Who do you think you are? Why are you an avocado and you're rotten two seconds after i get you home from trader joe's i don't think so honey i don't think so honey this produce what are we doing here it all tastes like shit it's terrible no wonder people

are in such a fucking bad mood for half of the fucking year you can't get a goddamn citrus fruit to save your life where's a fucking 30 seconds pear it goes from literally hard as fuck to dead in one and a half seconds my children who grew up eating every sort of delicious bounty of fucking Hollywood farmer's market fair that you could find have now declared that they are not in for the produce. Wow. And I'm like, New York, get it the fuck together. That's all I have to say. A.K.A. She don't think so, honey. Someone misses the Sunday farmer's markets of L.A.

I can tell tell i can see it in your eyes you can't yeah new york is not great a disaster i know but what can you do about there's there's no way around it you know what we get instead and this is a this is a girl who is like i am i am it dot in the wall the wall, whatever the fuck that expression is. Yes, died in the wall. Sure. I'm LA through and through. I am West Coast fucking raised and educated for two years before I got my first TV show and just lived like just that is where my home is.

Yeah. Yes. But here's what we get in new york instead of the good produce nutritious delicious produce we get culture yeah oh sure and you know what else you know what the children get they get um they get a world that is bigger than one industry and one idea of what makes something important. Yeah, you're 100% right. 100%. And for that, I say, I think we're going to live in New York

until my children are old enough to go to college. Do you think so? Oh my God. Yeah, 100%. I can't, I can't, I'm not going to say I hate it here. It's not, I can't, I, the lack of Erewhon is stifling my soul. Yeah, truly. Howevs.

The lack of Erewhon. Erewhon. The lack of Erewhon. Might be title of ep. Sorry, sorry. We just, we just find our titles of ep as yeah the lack of air one the lack of air one is stifling my soul however the growth that i've seen in both of my children since september has been worth the price of admission and i would say that being in any city that is not a city that is focused on one industry.

Right. Right. And one way of being is beneficial for a developing mind. Yeah. And especially when you have kids that are like neurodivergent and different in all kinds of ways. And like just and also just all kinds of ways. And like just, and also just all children. Like maybe like LA is like amazing for babies. Like it's like the easiest, best, best place to have babies

because there's space and pools and outdoors and nice weather the whole year round and like all this other stuff. But when they get to be a certain age and they when you're in like the most impressionable age and you think that like only one thing is important and there's only one way to be and there's only one way to make a living and to live and to like exist in the world i'm not saying birdies like all of a sudden like got friends of like all socioeconomic no wait like let's be real like they're in fucking private

school and there's still a child who's not fully enlightened yet but yes totally totally and like all of the things but they're like their friends are like have all different kinds of interests yeah yeah and they're not those interests vary from being like famous on tiktok to be fit no i'm kidding but like every child should be raised in a city where they don't know what quibi is a hundred fucking percent and by the way like r.i.p all right i think that that's next year no one's gonna know what quibi was but very like no but like birdie's friends like at this point now here think it's like mildly amusing what their mom does whereas in los angeles legit mark walked in on birdie having a discussion like a serious debate in fourth grade with a another kid from their school about whose parent had more

instagram followers oh gotta go unacceptable book the ticket unacceptable yeah honestly great point and the atlas van lines and so being in New York is worth all of the bruised apricots and flavorless jicama in the world bruised apricots

honey no you can't even get an apricot what are you talking about where did you get an apricot no one knows what an apricot is I didn't know what an avocado was I'm not even kidding you Bowen I will fuck you for an apricot

like at this point I'm like what an avocado was. I'm not even kidding you, Bowen. I will fuck you for an apricot. Like, at this point, I'm like, what? Whose dick am I sucking? Bowen, get an apricot quick. I am so deprived of my fucking farmer's market fare. I had asparagus today, and I was like, this is amazing. It's just asparagus. I was like, I haven't was like, this is amazing. Yeah. It's just asparagus. I was like, I haven't tasted anything like this in months.

You guys, the produce here is literally. Yeah, but now I'm saying you might have to go to Brooklyn though, because the Brooklyn does have good farmer's markets. Don't be a Manhattan snob now. Listen, I'm not, I'm not. But here's the problem is that Mark's family is from like Sheepheads Bay, Brooklyn. Sure, sure. And so he has like a deep like sense memory association with Brooklyn. That's like old people and like smelly apartments.

Sure, sure. And he can't do it. Barbara's Brooklyn. Oh, come on. Barbara Stratisyn's Brooklyn. He can't. He can't cross the threshold. We were looking for, I was was like let's buy a house in

brooklyn there's more space you can get used to be in brooklyn she is in brooklyn right still in brooklyn i don't want to blow her i don't want to blow her cover it's fine i think we're fine she's she's publicly brooklyn facing brooklyn it's a big girl she's like she represents brooklyn well oh my god you know what i watched the other night the greatest showman it was so good oh michelle's so good in that i love greatest showman you and my you and my seven-year-old that's it's literally it's cricket's favorite movie of all time i love that a million dreams is low-key the best song to me million dream well first of all never enough is a moment and i turned to sudi during never Enough and I was like, this is a moment. And she said, you're a flop.

Michelle does her own singing and that counts. Walking a tie rope with you? She broke a fucking rib. She broke a real rib? Oh, shit. Is that that popular knowledge? I think I did know that she broke a rib

and I was just sort of like, she did? It's podcast okay okay great great great um because i always hate if i ever i'm like oh god did i say a thing that like she didn't want publicly known it's gonna end up in people oh no um no she was like during the dancing there was like some dancing sequence and she fully fucking like dislocated broke like two ribs and was in so much pain oh no and yeah i mean she's like that's the thing like she is an incredible fucking dancer i mean fossy obviously showed the skills but i'm telling you she was great in cabaret she's great she was great in cabaret cabaret she's great in greatest showman and fossy verdon was the perfect sort of like confluence of all of the jobs that she had had and all of the life experiences and then it was this just magical

like orb of a part and her playing gwen verdon was epic like transformative i mean i'm i don't know i'm always in awe of like her abilities and talent and then just she's the best person i know that's another thing i love about you is you're a great best friend and i think that rocks and i think the most important thing to me is friendship. And I recognize it. And that's why that day, I said to my sister, I said, that's us over there. See, Busy and Michelle? I was like, I'll always be by your side. Always.

And he probably won't even invite me to things. No, he will. Of course I will. Bowen, are you nominated for it? Have Emmy nominations come out yet? He will be in a few weeks. No, no, no, no, no. You're going to be nominated. How exciting. He out yet? He will be in a few weeks no no no no no you're gonna be nominated how exciting

I'm not I think I was going to before we got into this I was just like the other day I thought to myself I showed I showed my sister my sister was like has Matt been in Atlanta I was like yeah we did a show we did I don't think so honey here and went to the World of Coke and then I

showed her this stupid bit he was doing where he pretended to be Maria Menounos at the world of coke giving a tour and I was like and then I thought to myself oh this is the funniest person in the world this is the funniest smartest stupidest person

in the world and I love him so dearly and no I agree friendship is the most important thing and there you go um anyway we are this is an incredible episode that you came by i can't even tell you i was like it was like one of those it's one of those people it's like well we could ask but she probably wouldn't want to do this you know what i mean like are you kidding anyway i was always like they don't want me on their show. What are you talking about? Here's the thing.

Here's the thing. I feel like in my life, sometimes I'm like, those people like, obviously, like, I'm not cool enough or I'm not like a part of the thing or whatever. And then they're like, oh, we would never have. And I'm like, wait, what? I that's such a fucking bummer. All I've ever wanted to do was like hang i know i was gonna say hang listen you're i'm gonna put my invisalign back in i'm gonna

put my kids to bed and i love you guys she's putting her invisalign back in snap it back in listen if you haven't streamed girls five ever on peacock you're making a huge fucking mistake you're a flop i don't like you yet until stream it, then we can talk because it's such a good show. Busy is amazing on it, as is the whole cast. I mean, we've been saying. And Bowen. And Bowen Yang is included in that. But, wow. Listen to Busy Phillips

is doing her best. Pick up that book. This will only hurt a little. Matt, I'm going to send you one. And fucking do your research. I'm going to send you one. I want one too. Well, she didn't she didn't offer one to you she didn't offer one to you so you have no one you didn't you're gonna get let me have the book i'll send it to your sisters i have my i have my invisalign back in and it's all right the invisalign's back in so that means we're gonna come to a close but we always Bo and Yang

end with a song we're trying to hold my breath let it slip away these are not the words never enough I'm singing never enough

but should we sing Michelle's song a million dreams will keep me awake. I want to sing Busy's song with Sarah and Paula. And coming up, coming up, coming up, coming up. For the rest of that, listen to the girls' final soundtrack featuring Busy Phillips. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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