Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Who's At Village?!" (w/ Kate Berlant)

Episode Date: April 7, 2021

Matt and Bow get raw and real about their physical and mental health (mama, as they say in hospitals, "scalpel!") before launching into an episode truly for the ages with the one, the only, Kate Berlant! Often imitated but NEVER duplicated, this genuine hero and co-host (alongside friend of the show Jacqueline Novak) of LC's Big Money Players sister podcast POOG joins the gals to discuss many cultures: "sending things back in restaurants" culture, "approaching people you admire in public" culture, wellness and "face cream" culture, Cameron Diaz-as-prestige actress culture, Julia Roberts in Erin Brockovich culture (oh, yeah, doll, we're going there again), continuity error culture, Oscar-watching culture, awards SPEECH performance culture, and dinner party culture, just to list but a few. This was the great honor and privilege of LC. THEE Kate Berlant!!!!!! Come on, NOW! #PrayForMatt Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Can I get a temperature check on you and myself? Yes. Do you want wrist or forehead? Well, can I?

Wait, let's stop everything. Drop everything. Was going to go into what they call a bit, but we have to talk about wrist temperature checks. Didn't know it was possible. It's happening all over. It's late Q2 into, no, we're not even,

oh, we are technically in Q2 now. It's April. I think it's a Q2 2021 development now convention where it's like, no, everyone's over the forehead. Bring me the wrist, why don't ya? Bring me the wrist, why don't ya? Can I say, famously

new about being able to take a pulse on her wrist. You know, I'm, I've been around. You can take a pulse on her. I can't, I can't feel my own. Can you? My own. Beyonce. Um, wait.

Yeah. She's there. No. Not as, not as good as this guy. Where you kind of put it on your sort of neck slash throat. This is a universal vascular accessibility point right here. Right here on the neck. Now, is that from your history as a pre-med student?

That you sort of use that language? Just, just general working vocab for physiology well speaking of hospitals what oh my god what are you talking about no you want to talk about i want to talk about this this is what this is the temperature check i wanted to do how raw how raw and real should i be today because there's something going on our guest is nodding raw does she know oh she's saying she's mouthing the words raw she will now so basically go okay readers there comes a time in every young boy's life when they get a medically necessary rhinoplasty and unfortunately that time has come for me on thursday i'll be going as they say under the knife yes to get my nasal dermoid cyst removed if this is turning everyone on this is not elective can't describe how badly i don't want to do it and our guest is sort of our guest is sort of you know

pondering whether or not that's true sort sort of skeptical energy. But I will say, darling dear, it's at the point where if she, if this sucker in my nose gets infected, it could absolutely kill me. So it's just like, I have to get this thing out of my nose, everyone. And the cyst is located so far in my septum. Again, hold the boners down. I know you're absolutely rocketing off your couches where you obviously listen to a podcast sitting on your couch. Well, belly down, stomach sleeper, so that they get the boner and then boing.

Well, you know who's not going to be sleeping on his stomach for a while? This gal. Because I got to sleep rocketed up in the chair. Basically, everyone, the plastic surgeon who get this put mary jo budafuco's face back together after amy fisher shot her in the face so you know he's great so you know he's good is taking a scalpel to my schnoz i can't describe how much i didn't want to do this in fact i've put it off for many years. It is now no longer put offable and got to go.

So basically what I'm saying is like, this could be the last episode I do. No, no, Matt. If what I'm reading about anesthesia is true. No, Matt, this is, this is, have you had other kinds of surgery before? Famously, my wisdom teeth are, let's just say, no longer there. Did they put you under for that? Mm-hmm. Okay. And it was fine?

It was fine, except I came out and looked at my doctor in the eyes and said, you're not fucking McDreamy. That's an amazing post-anesthesia line. Oh my God. The fact that you even remember. My mother told me she was there. She said that she looked at the doctor,

he looked back at her, and it was sort of that, it was like 2010., it was like 2010. So it was like, my son's gay and made a joke. You know what I mean? So, yeah. God, some anesthesiologist

out there has to put out a book, like, within medically ethics. That's what we need. Well, you know what they could do is they could do a ghostwrite name. So many people are doing it. I just want quotes. I want it to be like FML style. Right. Remember that site?

I want it to just be that. I am so sorry that you are, that you have anxiety about this. Oh, horrible. I think this is just like a crucible you have to walk through. And then, and then, and then you won't have to think about it after the recovery. I felt I had to be honest about it because it, there is a possibility that it will look a little touch different. I told them I want to look as same

as possible. But if it comes back, if it's like I disappear for a month, I come back with a different nose. I don't want to not, I don't want people to think I did it cosmetically, not that there's anything wrong with that Seinfeld. Right. You have one of the great Greek noses of our generation. I'm not

upset with it and so the fact that it has to leave feels very sort of coming of age oh my god in a way that someone should unless some anesthesiologist should write a book about everyone um pray if you're if you're the praying kind please pray take to your knees i'm not even i'm not even saying this like ironically i think people if if you are if you like to pray you should pray for man and also don't dm me with your story about the time you woke up from anesthesia during a procedure like keep that to yourself i guarantee i i am already handling for everyone the doomsday googling the doomsday googling has we're we're well on our way damn damn damn well i think it'll

be great i I hope. I hope it comes out snatched. Yes. And thank you for sharing and being raw. I had to be raw because I just feel like, you know, the readers deserve it. They deserve transparency from us. Do you want to say one transparent thing before we bring in our incredible guest? Yes.

Go ahead and be transparent. The transparent thing is that the reason why we we did not have an episode last week was because matt came over matt was in town he came over to my apartment we had a wonderful guest booked 15 minutes before we were supposed to go on zoom go just record i broke down in tears sobbing um for for many reasons we don't have to get into them yeah our collective health has not been good. No. But I think this is actually perfect.

You had a hard week. It's fine. I think this is a perfect segue into introducing our guest. Because it's about wellness. Now, here's the thing. Well, very much is. Very much is. But I think she is someone who is just, she's probably so sick of hearing this,

but like what an intellectual- Healer. Healer. Intellectual healer. Just her and her co-host, Jacqueline Novak. She's been on the podcast before. What a true, perfect lens to examine wellness through. Yes.

That they have in the podcast that they host together. Which is called, we should just say right now, it's called Poog. Poog. We're network siblings. We're so honored. When I heard that we were going to be network siblings with this duo, I said, we made it. Only at that point did I say we had made it. Before I didn't.

Absolutely. I didn't care at all. I didn't care at all before that no um we love her so much oh my god can we say first of all in i was like thinking back do you remember when we watched 555 and like basically put it put it on again right after we were done i literally and also i watched the whole thing twice i think i believe and i our guest doesn't really know but i've sought out them performing live many times.

I saw them at Lyric. I even asked a question during the show and I don't think the guest knew who I was at all because I was kind of just like hiding in the shadows. But I asked the guest a question.

The guest gave an incredible sufficient answer. An incredible sufficient answer. Yeah, I got what I needed and she got what she needed. That's what I did with that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I felt it was symbiotic. Both of you were fulfilled. Very much so. And a true, genuine honor. Oh, yes. Yes. And it's one of those guests where it's like, they haven't been on?

Humiliating for us. Yes, humiliating for us. I am so excited she's here. Everyone, welcome. Kate Berlant! Oh, to become audible. Oh, welcome. Thank you for that beautifully generous introduction.

Welcome to the soundscape. I mean, I'm honored to be here. Before we were rolling, I was saying, you know, this is a true top shelf podcast. Oh, man. Like Hendrix. Feather in my digital cap no oh but which will be reflected in the real world too and i am overjoyed to be here listen it's it's it's truly a it's a i would consider it a peak of our lives and we have we

haven't really even really met that many times but we met in palm springs when we ran into each other at a restaurant of course of course that's really the one time we met in Palm Springs when we ran into each other at a restaurant. Of course! That's only the one time. That's so 60s. We ran into each other in Palm Springs at a restaurant. I mean, that's such a glamorous thing. It really was. Can I tell you,

I had just touched down that night. I had flown in from New York into Palm Springs. I was told to go straight from the airport to this restaurant to meet matt and i sent something back that night and i never sent things back and i did it very well and it's a formative memory continue i think you mentioned this to us i think you mentioned this to us when you when you came and said hi knowing myself i probably ran at top speed to you crumbled and

told you everything yeah but but i have to know was it a drink or a food item never sent back it was an app oh i did it beautifully so this is one of the the burden of growing up right which is kind of the theme of my life right now and i think that sending things back you know of course it's scary you know we're told to feel wrong about it i do it very rarely you do it with grace okay you do it with love you're not you're not there to some people send things back you know in a horrible way they're being abusive of course no one's sitting on this zoom is gonna do that no no i of course go overboard i go too far right you know i like i'm like let me wash a dish you know i like go to i like really want them to know that yes but i over correct but why do i keep dropping into this i feel like that's the second

time i've done that it's been five minutes that's a tick i don't want to take it you want to know what it's it's a hello it's you judging yourself that voice that's because you feel you're talking about yourself doing a monstrous thing and we want to tell you it's something that it would it needed to go back the app needed to go back clearly or it wouldn't have gone back i'm also doing like martin short yeah yeah but okay but the app i just want to say quickly it was prosciutto with melon so we all are familiar Familiar. High summer. Melons should be succulent. They should be sweet. The prosciutto should be fresh. They should be fresh. Well, prosciutto and melon couldn't be more simple.

What arrives at the plate? The prosciutto is crispy. It's been cooked. No. So right there, I'm like, that should be on the menu. I don't know about that. You should tell me cooked prosciutto. Cooked prosciutto.

It's not. And it was over what could only be described as the most rigid melon that I'd ever encountered. Flavorless. And by the way, it was like a $17 app. Of course it was over what could only be described as the most rigid melon I'd ever encountered. Flavorless. And by the way, it was like a $17 app. Of course it was. This isn't, this isn't, these aren't spiced cashews for $6. You pop them back, you go, you know. So this was, and I felt I'd already established rapport with the server, of course.

Of course. We were close at that point. I felt comfortable and I said, you know I'm so embarrassed here but I just would you just you know would you this isn't the actual memory but I was I'm proud of myself I think I was really able to with love be like would you hate me if I sent this back I once and I sending things back is a huge I think it's been discussed on Poog but I'll just say quickly it's a huge topic for me. And I once was so anxious about sending something back that I did an audio recording on my phone, thinking that if I

were performing for my phone, then I would be able to do it and rise to the occasion. I still panicked. And I said, it was the, I was like, this is my greatest fear, but, uh, you know, and the, they don't care, right. You're being polite. They're not going to judge you. I, I not, not to, not to move away from the discussion about sending things back, but I think I talked to you in the past about you using sort of voice memos or however you record on your phone as a way to like, as like some generative tool in your, not in a way. I don't know what it was specifically, but I feel like this is like actually, and I don't mean to point that out just to be like, this is something that Caperland does, but I'm like, oh, but that is very self-aware of you to be like,

well, let me actually, this is a helpful thing. Yes. And let me do it. So I don't think, I mean, I think you're handling this, you've handled all of these situations so well, but how many times have we done it total? Do we have a count have a count of sending things back yeah that's unfair you shouldn't answer that question it's definitely under 10 i would say we're clocking in at maybe five times did you did you um evaluate the prosciutto with melon this is more purely aesthetically

yeah was it was it just like you looked at it you were like this is not good enough it sat down i said oh that's not what i'm expecting yeah but i was still prepared to fully dive in when when the melon hit my mouth and i thought you gotta be kidding me folks yeah i mean it just was and i didn't say to her like oh this is inedible or this isn't ripe i just was you know i just you know a lot of hand wringing oh god i it's been a hard year you know i don't know what i did but there's martin it was gone and then there was i believe a bruschetta right or something and i was and we were back in business and it was so this is the deal it's like so i was a server for many years and so you have to understand i i've been on the other side of this many times and i i yeah i feel like i was retail but yeah and so that's that's i guess where the rub is. So that's, I guess, where it is.

So when I'm a server being told, like, I need to send this back, usually something is being sent back for one or two reasons. One, I ordered this and it's not satisfactory. That's one. Two, this is not what I ordered. So the fact that you said, I ordered this this but it's not to my it's not to my satisfaction it's not to my taste level quite literally i think there's a lot of power in that because it's just it's just you are the type of person i want to be dealing with because i as a server know that this person

knows what they want and wants to come here and have a great experience. Mind you, I haven't been a server in many years, but I just sent something back last week and it was a cocktail. Cocktails are classic. I mean, I can barely order a cocktail because it's just it's never, unless you're

getting a goddamn Tom Collins, something that's been written, you know, unless you're getting a stable fixture. Unless you're getting like, this is a Manhattan, I been written, you know, unless you're getting like a stable fixture. Yeah, unless you're getting like this is a Manhattan, I'm getting a Negroni. But once they start going, oh, it's made with, you know, once they start experimenting back there. Or like the craft margaritas that they're fucking whipping up now. Let me tell you something, darling. You just got to keep it straightforward because sometimes the thing about these craft cocktails is you got a lot of ingredients.

Like there's a lot going on in them and you miss one. Not drinkable. And they sure are heavy with the agave. Always. It's honey town. As soon as always. It's honey town. It's honey town out there.

And I don't want a sweet cocktail. I never have. Never in my life. Let me ask you a question. And I know the answer because of what you've said. But mimosa or Bloody Mary in the sort of wars of the mimosa and the Bloody Mary, what's for you? I very wildly drank three mimosas yesterday in my home. What?

Yes. What just happened? And it was. I'm sorry. But didn't we just say that sweet cocktail? No. Listen. Okay.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And as soon as the words jumped out, I went, here we go. I contain multitudes. Life is defined by paradox. And I don't want a sweet cocktail yet. I would say twice a year. I want a mimosa.

And yesterday was one of those days. Fresh Squeeze or OJ. Okay, this was Craft OJ, $1,400. You know, like an expensive thing of OJ. Like Jimmy OJ. And a top shelf kava. Right, right. And I also wanted to spell rumors.

Oh, a good bottle of kava is going to run you $22.99 at least. You can get a good bottle of kava for $15. Okay. Or $400. Whatever you want. Or $400. run you $22.99 at least. You can get a good bottle of kava for $15. Okay. Or $400. Whatever you want. Or $400. However you're feeling. For Grand Cru.

But I drink it, and it was huge for me. So anyway, so I had them mostly. But Bloody Mary, typically I'm more for Bloody Maria because tequila is my favorite. Of course. We love Bloody Maria. And you know what? Bowen Yang, have you ever

tried a gin Bloody Mary? I have not tried a gin Bloody Mary. Someday. People that talk about juniper when people are always quick to be like, you know it's juniper, right? I did it again. Martin?

Yes, Juniper. Oh no. It's Jiminy Glick. It's specifically Jim no. Martin, it's Jiminy Glick. I used to have something. It's specifically Jiminy Glick. It's Jiminy Glick. It's Jiminy Glick. I'm just doing a bad Jiminy Glick now.

No, no, it's wonderful. Kate had some, you know, she was, you know, people loved her, you know, and then she hadn't really found that role yet. And then we went back, we came back from COVID and she was just doing Jiminy Glick. That's where we lost interest. She had such a thing, you know? She had such a thing. No.

She lost it. I saw Martin Short once outside of a restaurant. He really is a god to me. Did you approach? No, I could never approach. Actually, that's not true. I could. But I was too overwhelmed.

I just, I smiled. And through the smile, it was transmitted. approached actually it's not sure i could but i was too overwhelmed i just i smiled and to and through the smile that the it was transmitted and he received yeah who have you approached is that is that a fair question i love that question i love that question so i have i had did a terrible approach when i was i want to say 16 15, 16 I approached Owen Wilson who was in a Borders books there was a CD section

and I was Rushmore was huge for me and I went up to him and I was like

I'm so sorry to bother you but Bottle Rocket Rushmore I'm just a huge fan he looked around very nervously uncomfortably but in a way that

and even as a, as a teen, I felt in his looking around, dare I say a performance of, oh, I'm being bothered because there's no one inside. Do you know what I mean? There was a little bit of like a, I don't, I'm not even sure. I'm not throwing him under the bus. I'm not even saying he was rude, but I just remember in the moment I was like, oh, he's acting like a famous person but he was a famous person I was coming up to him but I did the unthinkable which I was a child I would never do this now I reached my hand out see they don't like that you can't do they don't like that and again I was a child and we're at a border so what's the year like 2005 for younger can I can I just say this might be like my own self-selection bias talking i feel like the rules

for um famous person engagement celebrity engagement were not um widely set or known at the time it's why the line was being crossed so many times really in that era of that era of let's just say it perez hilton okay He was sort of encouraging everyone to go up, jut their hand out at Owen Wilson and the like in a Borders wherever. I tried to shake Jerry Seinfeld's hand. He told me he doesn't do that. Second Seinfeld reference of this episode.

Don't know why this is happening. It's a competition between him and Short. Yeah. I just remember he gave me, he handed me his very limp hand. It was a very, very limp hand. And I immediately,

I remember the shame, like filling me from my stomach up to my shoulders. And I was like, what have I done? And then I, you know, I was like, Oh,

sorry about it. I ran away. So I did that approach. Never recovered. Clearly. Who else have I approached? I think that might be my, is that my only approach? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, my is that my only approach no no no no no

it sticks it sticks out to you and i i find that beautiful well it's because it sticks out because he made it a bad experience and i'm gonna say the terror of that so you know what that's like that's like and this is where this comes from and i'm diagnosing you don't like to send things back because you don't want to get an owen wilson response to that because you were doing a perfectly lovely thing and you were saying i enjoy what you do and you were saying as a person that's in engaging here and you when you go into a restaurant and everyone at home all the readers when you i want you to know when you go into a restaurant that's engaging so kudos you are engaging and you if the waiter was to be like well what are you talking

about yeah well then we'll have some fun sweetheart oh but isn't that isn't that what you're afraid of that the waiter will sort of be like no that's the way it's supposed to be the that's the melon or that they'll yeah my fear is that they're interpreting me as some you know princess right who like can't she came in here my palate i eat shit all the time i know isn't good and i pay and i and i do my i do my citizen duty and i get out and i keep it to myself and we talk in the car right i i deal with it i take it home with me i don't i don't put it on you but every now and then there's a hard melon at the peak summer season and i'm not i'm not paying 17 no i can't even believe that was the og price i really think it was 17 i'm of course having the urge to cross-reference the

menu but i won't no no no no probably seasonal too we can't reference it i i want to ask you kate i feel like this podcast poog i thought about this and i i hate to use these words but i find it to be very brave and get ready vulnerable that you guys are like that you guys have to you guys have to like talk about your own experience with some wellness topic in order to like engage in some meaningful conversation about it and the and every conversation is meaningful but i'm always like okay so we so they had to both share that like they um you know don't like waking up at a certain now that's a terrible example but do you know what i mean it's like you guys have to sort of reveal something about yourselves that is deeply deeply personal in order to like have the discourse that you guys want or the tone that you guys want to have.

Thank you. Would you, okay, so. No, I love that. I love that reading of it. Yes, I think it's like also because there's something so embarrassing and vulnerable about being like, I want face cream because that it's like, oh, you want to be pretty bitch?

You know, it's like just in doing these things, which, you know, most of us do do. Most of us are in some way inscribed in this system of trying to better ourselves, you know it's like just in doing these things which you know most of us do do most of us are in some way inscribed in this system of trying to better ourselves you know from nivia to to clinic and i don't have time yeah but like we all buy these things that's title of that from nivia to clinic yes yes we're sorry keep going keep going. But yeah, we all desire. We all have desires. We all have, you know, some aspirational vision of and then just the kind of magical reality that's attached to products. And it's very real. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting. You bring up face creams because really this year, it's the first year that I'm really diving into them. And I wish i could tell people like some people are like hey your skin's looking a little better what are you doing i buy everything everything i buy i put it all on my face at one time so i don't actually even know because i guess i get in my head like it's the crisis of so many it's the um what do they call it the plague of plenty they don't call it that but i'm calling it that oh um i love plenty it's the crisis of so many it's the it's the um what do they call it the plague of

plenty they don't call it that but i'm calling it that oh um i love plenty it's like great book oh yeah some anesthesiologist should get on that but but basically i'll get all this shit and i'll feel like well i have to use all of it to make sure because something will work and then i don't know now what works or what doesn't work because it's all on there yeah that can't be good if you if you want to go if you want to merge like korean eastern skincare with like western like dermatology skincare the steps are cleanse cleanse toner exfoliate serum moisturize and then if it's the day yes pf if it's night you do another sleeping mask or a night cream that's the general order you just want to like thinnest to thickest that's that's the guideline and i don't claim to know right

anything that's the other thing no well you're saying thin to thick changed my life you know even just isn't it Isn't it so funny? It is that simple and only just now was it ever really said for the consumer base out there. Oh, wow. And I dream of a life of,

you know, the woman with one cream. Like my mother has aged beautifully. She's 76. She like, her skin is great. She doesn't really wear makeup she uses drugstore products you know and i'm like why can't i like like she now she's like she eats kind of whatever she wants you know she drinks at night right she has a problem um but mom but uh no but it's but now in this we have too many products yeah but but the fantasy of having no products is also its own magical reality.

Right? It's like. I know, but you meet those people where they're like. All I put on is perfume. No. It's like, yeah. They're like, I use water and bar soap. I use Irish spring under my eye.

It's a whole scene in Mad Men. Like Megan Draper being like, yeah, my mother just washes her face with warm water and then like touches her face with the tips of her fingers. I'm mortified that I do. It's one of the only scenes from Mad Men that I remember vividly. And I'm like, God, why do I remember that scene of Jessica Parra? That's the scene that stirred you.

Oh my God. This is when you're first meeting Megan. Who is that? Who is that character? And then they make you love her. They really do. And you go, who the hell was was i i hated her because she was young and beautiful you know they really turn it on you you know what i've never like sort of been more shocked by but also seen myself in more is the performance of zooby zooby zoo i really was just like so shocked

that it was happening and then it's a big, I was like, what is this show doing? And then I was like, no, wait, you want to know what? People take big swings. They do. So just because we don't see this or recognize this in nature, I'm like, no, but there is a world where this woman has done this and we're watching it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. In that time.

More big swings swings the big swing that is the sending back big swings are embarrassing i mean i think we're i remember when there was like a little period of time maybe a few years ago where everyone was like sincerity like earnestness is about to like have a moment in comedy specifically and i was like really and then i guess that kind of came true but now i think the the the period the frequency on the the the swing back is so quick now you know how you know it's like oh like fashion trends recycle every 30 years and now it's like 20 or 10 like i feel like that that cycle is that the period literally is shrinking so that it's like, okay, we're going to like rock back and forth between these two poles every year. Now,

maybe like in a few years. And that is actually so, so, so upsetting and horrifying to me. Does that, am I making sense? Yeah, no,

I don't know what I think I'm, I for one can't wait to see what's going to happen the next five years. It does feel no, but it is kind of, I, I don't even know how i mean you two are you know you you're you talk about culture and i i feel so currently out not outside of it but like i can't even i don't know what we're doing anymore no

neither do we oh please that's why like it's so crazy because like, I feel constantly out of the loop. Like, I feel like I opened the newspaper and front page is middle parts. And it's like, I'm sorry, you can't get me to part my hair down the middle. Like, it's not gonna happen. That was something that actually did come to the surface for me. Somebody was like, oh, side parts are for old people. And I've been doing a side part since 1982 and I was just it hit me so hard

and I tried to do a middle am I even doing a middle right now you've done a middle in the past it terrified me I've done a middle by the way

this could never happen for me what I said was a lie I'm lying on air I'm lying on air I did center forever and then right before the pandemic

I think I started feeling flirty and I started going to pandemic I think I started feeling flirty and I started going to the side and I was kind of this is me now I was loving it the privacy of my home and then someone told me

that it was a sign of being old see I feel like for men a middle part is such a like crazy like it's runway

are we kidding like who do I think I am Devon Sawa like is that even how you say that name I think it's right away like who do i think i am devon sawa like is that even how you say that i think it's good i i think no matt is of course it looks looks fantastic with the middle part yeah you you yeah you have you have the length it does look modern it looks modern it looks modern now well i gotta say like it just feels like such a hard pivot like you don't think you

you think like oh oh, side part. Big swing, do it. I guess that's true. Side part to middle part doesn't feel like a big deal, but it's really a face changer. And in terms of what's popular in comedy, film, television, whatever, I have no idea whether we're doing Fleabag or are we doing Austin Powers? I just feel like

is it both? Can it be both? I hope so. Where do you fall on that spectrum, Kate? Between Fleabag and Austin Powers? Well, I recently tried to rewatch The Spy Who Shagged Me because it was big when I was however old. And...

It wasn't... It didn't slap. The highlight of that film is the end where frow is counting i didn't finish it but frow counting down to the rocket is genius i don't know if maybe that holds up i don't know she's great but again didn't get that far i also i we watched the mask and i thought oh yeah. I know I don't like broad. Like, I know I don't like really broad. Like, in Austin Powers, I like a lot of it because a lot of it feels, like, specifically dumb.

Like, but The Mask is literally just, and I like Jim Carrey, but The Mask is, like, someone looking at a camera and saying, somebody stop me. And I'm like, that to me is, like, toddler humor that I hope doesn't return what I was couldn't believe is the mask he did the mask and Ace Ventura the same year oh my god no can you imagine that career the stamina imagine the calls oh they were coming in

they were coming in we got another one for you you know i just and the offers i just can't imagine the offers anyway cameron diaz introducing never forget which was i couldn't believe it that movie used to make me so horny yeah for her to go from the mask to like the next year like my best friend's wedding like there aren't careers like that. Or maybe there are. The greatest film. No. There aren't. Oh, no. Oh, my God, Martin. You're back to weigh in. Martin is in the room. The spirit is here. This is good.

I'm having an exorcism, and it will never return. It will never return. Pazuzu. You know who's had a Cameron Diaz is, I feel, Margot Robbie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Margot Robbie is the spiritual successor to Cameron Diaz is, I feel, Margot Robbie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Margot Robbie is the spiritually, the spiritual successor to Cameron Diaz.

Sort of comes and splashes onto the scene and then is prestige, but also big budget. Because you know there's another one of them suicide squads coming out. Was Cameron ever prestige? Cameron was prestige in being John Malkovich. And she was prestige in... Thank Malkovich and she was prestige in thank you and how dare I had that

not been at the front of my mind me too and she was prestige for a hot second there and she I believe she got awards for her performance in Vanilla Sky or awards nominations and she was also prestige enough to be in Scorsese's Gangs of New York so that's

I apologize yeah I didn't know I had the bibliography on Cameron Diaz, but apparently I do. But my best friend's wedding. She's genius. My best chef's kiss genius and being John Malkovich one of the great films. Yes. And I mean, I was thinking my best friend's wedding today because Julia in it is

stunning. The only woman that I ever knew. I didn't know what a woman was until julia roberts that's a great way to put it explain that i just when julia roberts came on the scene i don't know i don't know the first time i saw her i will say aaron brockovich was a foundational text for me i was like very obsessed with it. And I used to, at that point, I would put on high heels

and I realized like, oh, I can do homework at home in high heels. Oh my God. I can dress up like I'm a lawyer and then middle of like doing homework easier.

And it makes you better at the homework. So I would dress up, so I would dress up to do homework and I'd be like, God damn it, Ed. You know, I'd like walk around

in my heels. And it really helped, which became like a tool that I continue to use in my life of dress up for it, do what you can to make it easier, pretend someone's watching you, be the actor in the movie, pretend that you're doing the thing,

and then you'll, oops, now I'm actually doing it. It's very helpful. Yes. I think maybe this is generationally specific, but that movie, the line readings on like a

on like a on like a musical melodical level yes burned in burned burned burned

her being like five is my phone number yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and I'm guessing that zero is the number of times you're gonna call it oh my god doesn't matter

that's all you got lady two wrong feet and fucking ugly shoes yes oh and actual chemistry yep also i'll say actual chemistry when have we seen chemistry not not since chemistry's gone not since not since even with this i mean this this is a fucking deep cut and and okay here cut us i got What? You've been working so hard. Doesn't matter.

Doesn't make one fucking bit of difference. My heart. Oh my. I just got chills. She's driving, right? She's driving. No, no, no, no. Oh, that's.

He's fixing her pipes. Yeah. And the baby. And the baby says a word. And the baby says a word. Oh, the baby says a word. She's driving. Ball.

Yes. And she said, he says ball and she's driving. Ball. Yes. And she said, he says ball and she's driving and she gets her Oscar nomination there. Also, that's the nomination. Also, we're also forgetting. We're also forgetting when the cockroach runs through the thing and she goes,

who lives like this? She's unbelievable. She's unbelievable. And you know what? It's funny. It's suspenseful. It's unbelievable. And you know what? It's funny. It's suspenseful. It's sexy. It's sexy.

Her looks are unbelievable. Her hair changed everything for me. She's a whole lot. That's why. It's amazing. She's harnessing so much to give a performance that feels so real. And it's just like that a real movie star like such a movie star but somehow a movie star who actually can then disappear and do a role it's

crazy i mean i don't know if disappear is the right word but but it was uh yeah i love her i love her and my best friend's wedding she's amazing amazing and the character is so like evil. Yeah. And does crazy things. No, I would say calling to get your like object of your affection. You can see her wig at one point. My favorite thing is when a reshoot is obvious. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends.

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Have you ever seen The Propos proposal with sandra bullock another absolute queen of the of the cinema i have not seen i have you would actually like it you would you would like it's really really stupid but also it works because sandra's just doing it she's just like i i don't know how to describe it but sandra she's just doing it yeah yeah so there's a there's a moment at the end bone do you know what i'm talking about? Where she's like packing up her stuff. The whole point of the movie, spoiler alert, is that she is like this like dragon lady of a boss. Ryan Reynolds is her assistant.

And she has to pretend that they're getting married to stay in the country because she's getting deported to Canada. So she gets like, skip to the end of the movie. She's getting deported. She's packing up her stuff and she's like all right i need these boxes taken here i need this i need that and in runs ryan reynolds and she turns around and her hair is parted to the different side it is such a fun continuity error

it's so bad i have no idea whether it was shot eight months later or what but it is so funny everyone just go google all readers should google proposal ending scene and you'll see it's like she turns around ryan reynolds is there they cut to him and they cut back to her and she goes andrew and her hair is completely huge mistake it is it's amazing that's not caught no one catching that well it's like who's that village yeah who's like, who's at Village? Who's at Village? Who's script supervising? Who's at Village?

Who's at Village? That's title of it. Sorry, who's at Village? Video Village readers. It's where people sit and watch things happen as they happen. It's a magical place. I always thought it'd be funny to be like, we met at Video Village. We met at Video Village. It's a magical place. I always thought it'd be funny to be like we met at Video Village. We met at

Video Village. It was really casual and then before I knew it there were sparks in Video Village that night. Maybe sparks in Video Village was the title of that. I'm a fan of Who's at Village just because it immediately transports. It's transportive.

It is for us in a very deep way. All right. So listen, so we've sort of like stumbled into the area of like foundational texts. And so this is where we sort of feel like it's a good opportunity. We take opportunities here. Sorry to ask the question, Caperland,

what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Do you understand the question? Yes. I love this question. I think it's a profound gift you give to the participant here. We'll call us Santa Clauses. It's a hard question. It's a hard question.

Very difficult. Because, you know, I feel like I have a two-pronged answer. Use both prongs please thinking okay with both prongs engaged um very foundational for me was watching the oscars with my mom wow yeah huge and like my mom having a glass of champagne being very the excitement really caring i think because i was grown i grew up without religion like i grew up like just very like secular like there was not never a mention of sports in my home there was never I'm an only

child so I had to create my own walk church there were no models for me of course my parents yeah I'm blinded by the light okay it's radio podcast or a visual medium Kate is blinded by a light right now. It's radio. They can't see me. Podcasts are a visual medium.

Kate is blinded by a light right now. It's really a crepuscular light. The second we asked this question, it became very noir where she is. And all of a sudden we're transported. Yeah. And so because of the absence of kind of religion or maybe ritual,

like just more like a more, I was craving ritual. I was craving religion. I was craving religion. I think I was craving something to like punctuate the year, something to have meaning, something that was like that my, that I was like watching the television with my parent, like, you know, something to, to, to idolize and the Oscars were right there. And so, and I just love the glitz and the glamour. Of course, it was also the first time that I felt like my favorite thing was to watch the actors watch their clips they're nominated for.

And they kind of split between, okay, so that's a character. This is the actual actor. But the knowledge of the actor is still acting because they're on camera and they're at this psychotic ball where they have to perform themselves. So it was kind of like just, I just, it was very interesting to me and exciting and also just fun to watch. I mean, you know,

Tallywood and all of that. But that was, that did a lot. And I think just the speeches and kind of like knowing when I was watching certain speeches, like they're lying. So you could see the artifice

from the beginning you feel i mean it sounds preposterous to be like even then i knew but i just think it was i didn't i don't think i knew what was going on but i just knew like i'm interested right yeah the social sort of display it is like an interesting social experiment right it's like you get actors to compete with one another then you find out later they've campaigned for this. And it's so interesting you bring up the watching of the clips. Because that is my favorite part. Is the moments before the winner is announced.

And they're all watching a clip that I don't think they picked. And it feels like they can do one of, I'm going to say three things. Act embarrassed by it. Yeah. Yeah. Dying keen, dying keen. Right.

Or like anyone being like, Oh, I've who me? Like, come on. Like that clip. I guess I'm here. I guess I wasn't.

Right. Right. Or they can solemnly watch it and be like, that was my work. Most people do that. Or, and that's like a Nicole. That's like a Nicole.

Sorry. I'm trying to think of examples. Yeah, Nicole is- Nicole usually looks up and then directly to the partner. Yeah, Keith. I'm always, the partner, it's really about the partner who they bring.

And then the acknowledgement of love, the performance of the partner is always like, that's more now at this age. Keith, you are my rock. And I felt so raw after making this film and et cetera. And then there's a third sort of way I think people can do it, which is to pretend it's not happening and sort of still be having a conversation with whoever's next to them as if they don't know.

The fourth thing is bit like comedy bit about it. Like cross your eyes while you look at it, or they cut back to you when you're wearing funny glasses like you'll often see reserved only for the indie spirit awards i mean that's like the very to make them such a mockery five percent do that exactly yeah exactly but it is interesting that's golden globes only yes never the oscars would they dare never do you do you remember a specific ceremony because i i feel like... I know. I know. I'm thinking. I really...

For me, it was 98. It was Titanic. Same boy. That was the year that keyed, I think, a bunch of kids in our generation, I think. Yep. Titanic. Yeah, that was... I was thinking about Titanic today.

Because I was like, Titanic was... And that was the first time I feel like there was a movie like that that was the culture was feeding you so aggressively it was like this is the movie and i felt somehow kind of maybe a little more adult because i was able to enjoy titanic and then it won best picture and it was like well look at me enjoying yeah exactly we all agree like yeah it's funny that like it's true but you know they've even tried to like the oscars have even tried to become part of the monoculture of certain things in recent years by like making there be 10 nominees or they'll nominate like avatar which is truly laugh out loud that that it would get so

many oscar nominations in watching it now but it still feels like i have to rewatch oh it's a good rewatch um because it's a laugh a minute but it's funny because like they really do try to get these bigger movies nominated by doing more nominees for best picture and it feels like no one's watching them anymore like did you hear how bad the ratings were for the golden globes like it's like really people don't care about these award shows anymore in a way that's like obviously important right like in a certain way it's like obviously like yeah they're like a horrifying element of the culture and then now similar like college is also like well that's fake too you know it's like oh who gets to go to college who gets to participate in this system right and similarly like these

award shows are being revealed for that but and like kind of as they try to like do the right thing yeah they're like further revealed to be like you don't understand something like it's very but re-watching oscar speeches i i do that like sometimes it's very comforting to me youtube clips of watching old acceptance speeches and what stands out julia actually i mean my god she does a little bit i it's when she wins for aaron brockovich i think she's she's doing some excessive laugh acting yeah i agree yeah yeah a lot a lot that's a lot big swing and it's hard because to be i mean can you imagine listen when i was a little girl, okay, I thought I'm going to be a big star daddy, right?

And then you grow up and you go, I'm not. And thank God. Or no, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, I'm never, I'm never going to have to be Julia. Like, I'm never going to have to be. Yes. Like, blessed be the character actress.

Like, I'm never going to have to be. Blessed be the character actress. It's also a good title, to be honest. I'm never gonna have to be like blessed be the character to be honest i'm never gonna be i won't ever have to be in the gown and everyone going isn't she the most beautiful woman in the world and here's your award and everyone's looking at you it's like that then that produces the fake laughter because then you have to be humbled which is the anne hathaway kind of that it came true right and then we all jumped down her throat for it in a way that it's like yes of course but also we have to cut her some slack like that's performance hell receiving an award like that and then having to act like you

are being and also just the embarrassment of being overwhelmed by an award right it's like there's so much happening at once so much yeah it's a lot and it is a thank god i don't have to be a julia roberts thing right it's like i don't know what that walking personal hell is it's i mean well you can't win julia's a friend and yeah no no it's so hard i would kill for her friendship i would kill for her oh a hundred percent even even even if she is like mean please i would love i would sign up for the abuse um i feel like you can't really win either because like yeah i heard i hear she's like nicest lady on the street um doll her husband don't stand more than two weeks apart they have a rule continue i've done the research continue danny motor um yeah it's like if you're too casual like if you're Sudeikis like a few weeks ago like at the Golden Globes when he was

like obviously baked and won an award he didn't expect everyone was like well fuck him because you know what women have to get dressed up and it's like if you're Anne Hathaway being like my dream came true tonight everyone's like well fuck her because you know what mine didn't

it's either you you're it's either side of the spectrum no one has no one can go up there and kill it unless you're like jeff bridges truly like where it's just like some older man that's like really deserving it says someone's like scruffy yeah yeah but if you if but if you're a woman if you're if you're winning best actress the right now the the the person who's done the best at it, quote unquote, I think has been like a Brie Larson going up, taking the award, being like, wow, this is so lovely. Thank you all so much. And then she just walks. Yeah, beautiful.

But to even have to perform, she probably had to like process that and be like, I got to be fully. And it's exquisite acting. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I mean, it's hell because i remember the life is beautiful i just want to say what's his name roberto life is beautiful it was a real problem in my house like my dad was like

you could never have made the holocaust a fucking play you know like there was like jojo rabbit must not have gone over well in your house then i didn't i still haven't seen it so then i remember like just being a child and being like, that movie's bad. And then his big standing on the chairs going crazy. And I was like, oh, he's full of shit. And like- No, but did anyone ever hear from him again? I don't think so.

No, because he was like, now I get to, yeah, he did it. And that also watching the Oscars now, watching those montages of the nominees, it does give you this comfort of like oh right it's all so like fleeting or ephemeral like even you can be nominated for best actress for an academy award like ostensibly the the peak right all you could ever and then you're watching it going hey who's that yeah who are these people? The movie you've never heard of. And then it's like, you know, there is something comforting about watching.

Yeah, yeah, 100%. I think it just, it's, I don't know. I feel like as the media gets more and more sensitive every year, it all just falls away. Like, I don't know who Alicia Vikander is. I can't pretend that I ever did. I don't think, she's the only person who has top-lined huge box office films and won an Oscar that I don't think, she's the only person who has top-lined huge box office

films and won an Oscar that I don't think I'd recognize on the street, and this was recent. I feel like, though, the only way to really nail it is if you just don't see it coming. Like when Marion Cotillard won, and she was just like... Or Olivia Colman, or like...

Right. Yes, Olivia. You're just so shocked and French. When you're like, Thank you, life. Thank you, love. And it's true. It's true. It's true.

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It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. Perfect. Thank God. Can you imagine if someone else had one and went up there and gave one of the regular speeches? No, we need that for drag, for life, for joy, for food.

I'm so glad you say that because it is still possible, right? And when those happen, you're like, no, give us a little magic. Like, yes, there should be some magic here. Sorry, I was groaning earlier because I was thinking one of my most top offenders, Eddie Redmayne. Oh, I can't.

Toss him out with the terrible, terrible. I returned to it to hurt, to mutilate, to self mutilate, you know, just to, and the,

yeah, the stumbling. It's a peculiar thing, isn't it? I am very, very, you know, it's,

he's just, I mean, again, I hate it, but he's just too, too overjoyed by himself yes it's twee yeah it's it's it's you know what it is it's like there's nothing funnier to me than people that take themselves that seriously and then like for that to not even be funny because it's so

continuing to be so serious i'm just like oh it's like when Casey Affleck won all those awards. It's like, not only was it like we're awarding like a rapist here, it's also like he couldn't be more boring. And I get that his acting performance was good, but we're like,

why? Why? Why? Respect the audience. Respect my mother and myself watching with champagne. Yeah, with champagne.

Like, give us something. That's why it's important to have Adele Daze give it that's why it's important to have adele dazeem that's why that's important yeah yeah that's true that's why it was the best moment of my life and the number one moment in culture history that's true uh i just just to put a i guess we can we can keep discussing this but i do think that we all agree that the only way to avoid performing authenticity or the self or whatever is to actually be genuinely surprised along with everyone else along with the audience and what a magical for that to actually happen never happens there's not the hardest thing to

act is being surprised and laughing right oh my god i love that you guys talked about this on the on the podcast i was like you guys were talking about it was laughing but it was also like was it like it was something else too but laughing is like laughing is so hard I think what it was was I was saying that my greatest fear is to have to

is acting being cast as like a funny person someone who's actually making other people laugh like impossible delivering a zinger or some like yeah to be like look at this funny charming and that's it's interesting enough it's what i have to return i've been meaning all year to return to sex and city like the beginning just watch it all again right and that's kind of like the crisis of carrie the crisis of carrie right because carrie needed to be funny. We needed to,

she was there with the Zingers. We needed to, and it was an impossible, it's an impossible space to occupy. Did Samantha, did Kim Cattrall succeed though? Oh yeah. Big time.

But she's enough of a character. Yeah. The protagonist is Carrie. We are supposed to be Carrie, right? And so Samantha was able to deliver Zinger after Zinger and it's hilarious. But she didn't have to

be the surrogate for the audience no yeah samantha is giving you her opinions like whenever samantha saying something funny she's she's usually saying because it because she feels it whereas carrie is often commenting on what the other women are doing and saying so she's literally making jokes like her action often is making a joke about things which is i think yeah a testament to sjp that she was able to carry it through yes no absolutely it would have been so annoying on someone that wasn't so likable also great award speeches from that group oh yeah oh for sure for sure um i i don't think i have the stamina to watch it from beginning to end but i did read i mean carrie o'donnell wrote this piece i think it was in the cut about how the last season is actually genuinely still great

and like oh i have to i have to read that up in every way and rewatch yeah and i think i might do that from 6a to 6b that little split season saxon city was huge in my home and that was another thing my mother loved it, and my dad really loved it. And I remember that was something where I was like, oh, interesting. My dad was like, it's a phenomenal show. You love to hear it. Because for me, it was one of those things that I had to, I was obviously a closeted

gay child that couldn't be like, we're watching this. So my parents would leave, and whenever they were gone for the day, I'd watch as many on HBO On Demand as I could. And this was like, and then i remember the last season and you know what's so great about the last episode of the last season which is almost like why i wish they wouldn't even do any of these movies is she has a monologue in that last episode which is so good which she's like let me be clear about who i am to the r. She's like, I am someone who is looking for love.

And it's like she arrived there. She realized what she wanted. Indescribable. Can't control it, whatever it is. Inconvenient. Can't live without each other, love. She's all on the chest. She's always, the hands are always on the-

And I don't think that love is here in this beautiful apartment. This gorgeous suite. In Paris. In Paris. I'm sorry. It's my fault. Oh, I can't wait to rewatch.

You're making me really excited. I shouldn't have come here. And then she leaves and she never, her hands never leave her chest. You're so right. Yeah. And then we're laughing and big.

No, it's, whew. Yeah, it's huge. Deeply form deeply formative deeply formative what is um was there a second prong that that we haven't touched oh yeah we want to know the second of course lost the prong no you know your prong no no no no we're oh no no it was again of course like all rosie lead back to my mother who's like a very dramatic person but like i think also i don't know if this counts i don't know if this counts but my like it's kind of connected to what i was saying but like this performance of self but like dinner parties yeah sure that was really also something where i was like oh i get this like being alive stuff like you know you're alive oh my god you have people over yeah you make your you serve food you wear something

you buy flowers you make the lighting nice you decide like you create an experience for other people that was very like immediately i was like i like that or i was like that's important and i think also seeing my mom be like, it's a creative act. It's a generous act to have people over and feed them. And so that was, and also seeing my mom, like the panic, like the pre-hosting and like the, you know, the like, not those chairs, you know, like all of that

and kind of, and like the anxiety of that and the preparation for the guests to come and the kind of like that. And my mom, now this is so funny to me. My parents would throw a holiday party every year and my mom would spend like six months planning it or whatever. It was a huge deal. It was a great party. So getting the house ready, all the thing.

And then the guests would start to arrive. My mother, nowhere to be seen. My mother would be in the bedroom. My mom would be getting ready and it was this thing of like her and it was where's helen it was like the guest was like always a chorus of where's helen where's helen and my mom would be like held up in the bathroom with a glass of champagne like putting on some lipstick and being like what do i wear you know and even though i'm kind of like you knew what you were gonna wear to this you know and it was a little bit of like now i think people kind of having me like come out come out

and i really see myself in her this i'm painting as a much more psychotic portrait of what it actually was like in the lived experience but i see that now and also i have this is a live revelation folks i haven't talked about this ever before in therapy never before but like but that was like seeing her kind of shift and seeing that like the anxiety of performance which you know you feel when you step on a set you feel that when you step into a dinner party right and um the vulnerability of of hosting because she's set the stage and everything has happened and everything is right but once she steps out into it then she has to become part of it.

And then the installation is truly complete. So it's really that thing of like, it doesn't exist until she's actually out there. And when you've built something up so much, it's tough to say, let's have the curtain go up. You know what I mean? It is that thing of like, I know I'm prepared. And to exist in your own creation. It's like awkward to be like, oh yeah, no, I'm prepared. And to exist in your own creation. It's like awkward to be like, oh yeah, no, I planned this meticulously.

And like, you know, like there's something that like showing care, showing, dare I say it, it's a hot word, labor. Yep. You know, showing it, like showing like,

showing that is, yeah. And then just like telling stories. Like that's, you know, being funny, being like captivating and again i was an only child and i was really it was really important to me to like make adults laugh or be taken seriously because you would be present yes because i would present and like yeah there was no there was no kids table or anything no because my parents friends like truly did not

have kids and so i was really with a lot of adults and i yeah i was like i i don't want to be a kid like i want to you know make someone laugh and i and so that was that was a big that was big for me and then of course you know strictly ballroom and you know that stuff too did you did you find that so so in order to make them laugh, you were never performing kid. You were performing as if, as if you were. Yes, or something. I don't even really know what I was doing, but I recognize now that I think they probably also were laughing because I was trying to be adult.

Right. Like, do you know what I mean? Like in the time, and I can't recall like of course when i was really little i was kind of like clowning or something or i remember like i did like some magic tricks once or like something like that but um or like famously my mom says you know i would go around and ask you know what kind of wine do you want red or white but you know but i made a mistake and i said red or blue I was just cute but I was very young at that point I don't know I just remember the extreme

satisfaction of like making them laugh but like actually making them laugh yeah yeah I want to bring up something there was a time your whole family died at a dinner party I hesitate to even bring this up

because it feels so... The pilot? The pilot. Can we talk about it? I was going to say, of course. So I'll say, I'll give you a perfect... Okay, we're cutting in here. Which we love, by the way.

You guys sent it to us and we watched it together. We watched it together and we showed it to our friend. I love you. Thank you. We were just like, this is a perfect pilot yeah anyway so yes i've always been obsessed with hosting and john early and i i think we sort of you know fell in love with each other

because of like a shared sensibility of like understanding like that and kind of having always been interested in that um and in that like And in that, like the crisis of personality, like the crisis of like presenting yourself. Yes. And so we made a pilot that did not air. I repeat, did not air. It aired in our living room and we loved it. It aired in our living room.

It's truly an honor to hear that. And the pilot that we made was, the show's about, are you ready? Two best friends. but the pilot was all set around a dinner party and these two people who are kind of married but they're not but they um act as though married essentially and it's them throwing this dinner party and kind of all the stakes and kind of so high kind of crumbling around it and i loved the ending though when it was sort of revealed that they had just met like i thought that there was something so interesting there

and like people that can become codependent very quickly like i i love that about it and i'm always trying to i'm always trying to find a way to put to really get because codependency like it's only i haven't seen it really explored in like a way that I'm like yes yes yes yet but then it was really getting there and I thought it was so interesting like that everyone was like yeah they don't really know each other that's been like

three or four months and I just thought that was so that was such like a funny smart touch on it. Oh thank you well because also that's like true to John people like when we started being friends we were like oh did you guys go to like

they assume we went to acting school together I of course was rejected from acting school I repeat rejected. You were a Gallatin girl.

Gallatin girl. Yeah and I was like I'm going to go into the underground system. Yeah and so I but everyone assumed that John and I had gone to college together

and we're long friends and then we were always kind of inhumane to make we met last year you know and so we because we also when we met it was that psychotic thing of like

kind of having like a shared sensibility or like we're like it's like falling in love it's truly falling in love like it was falling in love and we fucked so that helps it looks like it'll be good unreal

you just know each other that man you know each other yeah I didn't know my body before John and I can say that now totally

but but yeah that man thank you for for referencing the pilot that was Hollywood Hollywood's tough

you know they tell you hey we're gonna give you I caught myself no that wasn't that wasn't Jiminy that was Hollywood. Hollywood's tough. You know, they tell you, hey, we're going to give you... I call myself... No, that wasn't Jiminy. That was not Jim. It was a little Jiminy. Let's get the Jiminy counter up here. But no, you know,

I say this for the listener. If you're thinking about moving to Hollywood, just be careful because they promise you the moon and sweetheart. They say you're going to be the bell of the boat. Next big thing. Then I'll pick up your pilot. I know.

Next big thing. That's Sandy Kenyon that Matt's doing I'm Sandy Kenyon horrifying I want to quote to you because it's just reverberated for years at this point but the wonderful scene of

the dinner party actually happening and the conversation being wild but at one point your character goes I forget what leads what the lead up into into this line is but it's like um you know like in like like in linguistics you don't have the word you don't have the concept do you know what i'm talking about oh my god and that's such a genius just like way to like i don't know um just put a cap on this wild run of dialogue from this person.

But then that did light up something in me where I was like, oh yeah, that is what linguistics is. Oh my god, I've truly... It's so nice to hear you talk about it. I forget and our hearts break and we have to pick up the pieces.

And then if we're lucky, we get the pieces. You know, we get hurt. It really is tough. And then if we're lucky, we get lucky again. Yeah. Oh, yes. And we all will. Yeah. No, of course. And, you know, the joy of creation.

Cut the mic. Cut the mic. I've lost it. No, but it's, yeah, we're trying to make something else that, of course, also was upended due to COVID. But, you know, we keep going. We keep going in this industry and in this world and you'll always have each other and also the thing about it is like when you're trying to do

this you realize that never ends like the pitch process it's like so like i'm pitching something right now and i swear to god i wake up i wake up the first thing i do when i open my eyes and say no no no i don't want to do it no the eternal pitch yeah it's just like i mean welcome because you feel like um like I still I feel like they often like go fine and then whatever you move on but like I never know like like you think like oh I'm never

gonna have to pitch something like what am I in marketing it's like no no no that happens literally all the time in the biz and it's you never really know because you can't see yourself like you're not you're not hearing yourself doing it yeah it's just it's you never really know because you can't see yourself like you're not you're not hearing yourself doing it yeah it's just it's such a heady you earlier i was so grateful you also referenced 555 which is oh we love 5.5 fantastic thank you thank you and actually i

should say here this is a scoop this has not been announced yet um because it's behind it's been behind a paywall right the famous video 399 which is a literal impossible amount of money to pay it'd be easier to pay 20 dollars 399 is exactly where you're like so it's basically free but it's not and i have to enter in something like i felt mad yeah the paywall will soon be lifted so when anyone can watch it it's going to be free so hopefully then some people will will be able to enjoy but i was going to say in that kristen johnston the best and like was in it we were lucky to have her in an episode of 555 in which john and i are playing actors and she's an acting teacher and she was john's acting teacher in real life was she a teacher at etw yes oh my god i think i

maybe it was atlantic oh yeah you know what you're right. It's Atlantic. That lives in the file cabinets of my brain. That's true. Wow. One of the, I like fell in love with John. Like was like him telling me like incredible stories, like just doing her and like saying, and she,

we shot that. It was like a very crazy shoot. We had like almost no money and it was very chaotic. And she just like, we didn't have that much time. And she just delivered the most beautiful monologues about like the nature of acting. And it was like hell

that the whole thing couldn't be an hour. Like it was just, and I remember, I don't remember if this, this didn't, I don't think ever make it into the final cut,

but she talks about, you know, how she was this huge star. She was on Third Rock from the Sun and she was, you know, and then she talks about,

you know, wanting to kill herself. Like she was deeply depressed and kind of how hard it was. But then she talks about the biz and she's like, there's no joy in this industry. There's only relief. Which I was like, oh, that's so true.

You're like chasing, chasing. You're like, okay. And then you're just kind of. And hearing her talk about that was a great gift. That's such an interesting way to put it. She's like, there's only relief. You're just waiting to be relieved. Yeah, wow.

That's so crazy. We have to pull joy from other things like friends and family. And getting the melon right. Communal living. What was that? Getting the melon right. Getting the melon right if you're lucky. Setting it back with grace.

And then buying around for the whole restaurant. I just do that. I long for that. Yeah, to be able to walk in. You know what? And then buying around for the whole restaurant. Of course. I just do that. I long for that. Yeah. To be able to walk in. You know what? Sometimes I think it's pretty old school and even a little sleazy. But if anyone ever did it to me, I would not be mad.

Someone's sending over a drink. Oh my God. Someone's sending over this from the gentleman in the white suit. Has this happened to either of you ever? One of the coolest things I've ever done is when I was in high school, I was at a diner that I used to always go to with my friends. And there was like a hot guy there

and I sent him a single fried egg. Oh, yeah. Across. And then it was like watching like the server go over. And like point at me and I was like. This is from the lady. Like topping him from across the room

and then of course like not a word was exchanged I mean it was a joke for my friends but to have that bravery I think about that now I'm like I can't believe I did that that's phenomenal no I've never been sent a drink from across the room tragically I sent one a friend didn't know I was in the restaurant and I sent over

just like a root beer just as a funny joke and the waitress spilled it on the table. She was like this is from oh my god I'm so oh my god oh my god A. They didn't know it was coming. B. It was like what? It was like that

thing. It was like an Applebee's truly and it was such a chaotic moment and I don't know if she ever got out like it's from that kid over there like it just just a chaotic moment. And I don't know if she ever got out. Like it's from that kid over there. Like it just, just a spill of a random drink that was arriving at the table. She sort of got through the sentence, but that's the thing.

Here's the, here's another thing with drinks. They get spilled too often. Oh, they spill the glass can rarely contain. No, no, no.

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Listen to the NPR Politics Podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. I think it's time. It might be time. So, yeah, but this is when I really get started, to be honest. So this is where it starts to kick in. This is I Don't Think So, Honey.

And this will be your first? That's literally not right. But this is... Listen we we have our whole life it's so true and knock wood that the anesthesia actually goes okay and can i say one before we get into this can i say one more thing yeah you know kate as you know this morning we had an earthquake so oh my god are you both okay didn't we did you feel it this morning i woke up i woke up completely nude as i often sleep and i

was like do i have to go get on a big shirt in case i have to run into the street but then i was like you don't run into you don't run into the street but it lasted long enough that the shaking was continuous where i was like do i put on a shawl it was like an 11 second thing it was like it was like an 11 second thing and i've, I famously always miss the earthquakes. Like I, they happen. And like, I'm like,

Oh really? Like all my friends will be on a group text. Like you feel that one. Whoa. Scary. Hated that, et cetera. And I'm like,

Oh, I didn't feel it this time. Fully woke up because I felt it. It was like 11 seconds of a good shake. It was like a 4.0. Um, and, uh,

I thought to myself, yeah, I thought to myself, Oh, I thought to myself, oh, you know what's going to happen when I'm under anesthesia. That's when we're going to get the earthquake. And I'm just going to be a flopping anesthetic corpse

while everyone makes a run for it. No, the hospitals are on wheels, Matt. They're on wheels. Okay, but is this true? They're on rollers? Is that a real thing? Yes, they're on rollers. And you're going to be,

you literally, there's no way you'd rather be in a hospital during an earthquake, but particularly under anesthesia, because then you won't know what's happening. And then you wake up and they go, you're never going to believe it, sweetheart. You know, you're going to be fine. But you're going to be totally fine.

I feel it in my bones. Okay, good. And it's always scary. You know, it's like why kids don't want to go to sleep because it's a specter of death, but you're not going to die. I, I feel so confident.

I'm not going to, and you're going to have relief. Then you won't have to have this, you know, it's ultimately a hundred percent. And I mean like literally it is this thing in my nose is the bane of my existence and it must go. So it's a finally happened.

Bowen knows he's lived many of these years with me and I constantly am talking about it. And so it needs to go, but I did just, I felt like I had to be honest about it on the pod because what if I don't come back next week and they say it's a rhinoplasty gone wrong I refuse to have that

be the narrative I had to be the one to say it okay you're ahead of it I'm ahead of it now it's the kid logic of of just putting out like the worst case scenario so that it as an as its own proofing insurance policy of it not happening exactly so that it as an as its own proofing insurance policy of it not happening exactly it's me it's i'm earthquake proofing the situation yes which

by the way i read all about this morning because i'm in like i said i'm in that doomsday google sort of mindset oh yeah so i did sort of google for the very first time the big one and i sort of found out all about what will happen when we get the big one and that ain't gonna be good i started listening to the big one podcast turned it off yeah i had to i got 20 minutes and i was like this is so upsetting and disturbing i can't live my life with this information i can't also i will die with my neighbors like i'm like i'm not i'm not a fighter in that way like i'm yes, of course have water, do the things, you know,

know how to shut off the, I'll do the bare minimum, but I, you, am I, we can't devote our lives. Oh my God. To,

to, to protecting ourselves against something like that. It's really crazy. I mean, truly I become full God at that point. I'm just like, take me. Like,

it's like, if that's what's going to happen, I mean, because I'll just, I'll just to briefly parap me like, it's like, if that's what's going to happen, I mean, because I'll just, I'll just to briefly paraphrase something that happened in the podcast. It was so horrifying. Was there's a woman in it who's obsessed with the big one or some psychotic earthquake.

She was in one something. She's like, it was a huge thing in her life. Maybe she lost someone in an earthquake, something crazy. And then one day she's in and she was actually, I'm aborting this because I truly forgot it. It's like a half. The point is she found herself amidst aing this because i truly forgot it it's like a half fact

but the point is she found herself amidst a huge earthquake yeah and it was like so it's like you can live your life defined by fear and of course and then it just happens to you and it's still be defined by it exactly we can't and but and then also my i know somebody who works for fema not too bad and um but they told me that they work in san francisco or the bay area and that like for example one of the numbers is they numbers is when the big one hits, if when it hits, there will be between 20,000 and 40,000 people in elevators trapped. So that's a number that they know. The people that are in elevators alone are going to be a crisis that we can't get to.

So it's like, we're hanging on. Oh my God. And you know what's crazy about it, Bowen? You know what's crazy about it, Bowen? It will happen yes here's my feeling 100 years we'll be gone

push it on to the next 100 years again this was part of my research today too push it on to them they're fucked anyway let's just be real but it's true it's really gonna be I felt like this is how deep

it went like i saw like a visual i saw like a visual like um sort of simulation of what it would look like and it was truly like when a kid is like at a bar mitzvah dance i'm like that whatever this is that was the earth they that's the plates no it's really bad but we just have to get a little water know how to turn off your your gas and don't run because they said if you run during an earthquake you're gonna break your legs and shit or something flies off the thing and hits you in the head i remember because i was in bed and i remember reading that what they say if you're in bed to do is to roll onto your stomach so that takes 20 minutes and then you roll onto your stomach

and then you protect the back of your neck so i in that moment i was like okay if the shaking continues or if it gets greater i'm just gonna you know that and cry into the pillow and yeah it's fine what's crazy though is that it is regional like it didn't have to be us if we didn't live in this fucking city it's so sci-fi you just have to go truly oh god and and but then is it even worth pointing out that the dark reason why you guys are in that city is for this industry to be photographed joy only relief hulu's gonna say no to me anyway why am i risking it all risking it all no i think it's you just have to you know have to we have to make our shows

and our movies and it's worth it for the space and the weather I need dry humid etc anyway this is I don't think so honey and truly I don't think so honey earthquakes

it's not over I almost forgot hello we've reached the summit the summit It's not over, okay? No, no, I got excited. I was like, I almost forgot. Hello, when you said that. This is not, I mean, we've reached the summit. I know, this is the moment. The summit of the podcast, really. The climax, the emotional climax, spiritual climax. I don't think so, honey, which is, of course,

a minute-long sort of feverish rant, really, about something in culture that is not it and we don't like and we feel compelled to speak about even. And there's really been so much to talk about, Bowen, but I do think I have

a good topical one for me anyway. Oh, oh my God. Thank God yours is topical because mine is certainly not. Like I said, topical for me, but you know. Well, it's still topical.

Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. I have you know oh for well it's still topical okay this is um matt rogers's i don't think so honey i have him on the clock and his time starts now i don't think so honey anesthesia diet restrictions let me tell you what you can't eat fish i'm fucked my favorite food fish hun i i so my mother's coming in for the surgery i make a great um two-person reservation for us at Yamashiro. This incredible sort of, you know, Japanese restaurant right by my house. I look at the menu, all seafood. Now I have to cancel.

I don't think so, honey. Also, you can't eat potatoes. What the fuck? You can't eat vegetables. What the hell? Nothing, nothing high in fiber. Maybe I'm overdoing this and just kind of going for it. But also, I don't think so, honey.

Surgery in general. You're going to cut into me with that? You? Honestly, also, I don't think so, honey. Anesthesia. This is people's whole job. Let me say something. It sounds like something you can get pretty bored out doing and make a mistake.

Because you're sitting there just like toggling levers. You don't know me. You don't know my body. I don't think so, honey. That I can't eat or drink a goddamn cocktail beforehand. Honey, I can't smoke reefer. I don't think so, honey. This is-

And that's one minute. I didn't even really get to the meat and potatoes. I'm shocked. I had no idea. I had no idea. Oh, oh, oh. When you see the list of things, avoid a diet rich in seafood,

avoid fibrous foods. Avoid alcohol. Where are you getting this from? A document sent to me by my doctor's office. Alright. And let me tell you something. I could have done I Don't Think So Honey Captain I mean Falcon and Winter Soldier because nothing's happening on that. And I could have done

I Don't Think So Honey Final Fours because on reality shows I don't like a Final Four. I thinks. Because on reality shows, I don't like a final four. I think we need to do a final two. That's from Justin and Kelly. That's what we need. But I feel like this is just taking over my life in such a way where I have to say and speak out about the anesthesia diet restrictions. Thank you.

I mean, because get this. If you eat within eight hours of doing anesthesia that food's going in your lungs darling dear oh my you're gonna be breathing in your food like it's always i've all this is something that i think came up on food why food is in our lungs more i don't understand and when you're choking on something when you when you inhale and you went down the wrong pipe well what pipe and where'd it go where'd it go oh it's down the wrong pipe it's really crazy yeah straight to the heart bingo well if you let me tell you something if you want to be breathing in some food go into anesthesia oh god that's that's absolutely nightmarish but you're going

to be completely fine you're going to have some you can't have vegetables it was like avoid fibrous food so what can you eat i literally was like what and my mom was like well i don't want you eating anything fried i'm like girlfriend uh the list is so long it's like what i guess i'm gonna eat like um like starches like carbs but pasta i guess and here's and here we are in la they tell you to avoid carbs and then you have surgery and it all goes down the drain not in my la god damn i'm also you know what else i'm nervous about like the three-week recovery period where i'm just going to be sitting in my apartment like just like just like the stagnancy anyway listen this is the best time this could possibly be happening i guess

you're so right but you know what i mean yeah it's it's true it's and and you finish you yeah you're you're between things um you're gonna watch the show my mother will be here we already had a fight she was like when she called and she was like i'm coming and i'm staying on a cot in your living room i was like first of all the word cot like air mattress your living room. I was like, first of all, the word cot, like air mattress, if we must. And I was like, no, get into a nunnery.

I was like, it's not big enough. I was like, for 11 days, mother? I don't know. So I'm putting her in a best question. I sense a snuggle.

Yeah, there's going to be. I sense some people are going to be snuggling soon. I hope. Can we end the stigma around snuggling with mom? Oh, I literally curl up in the bed any chance I get. I love, I love love i still do like a little sneak up and kiss her on the cheek yeah and squeeze her and then walk off

nothing like mom so lovely um well we do think so honey moms and the cuddling of them but um i'll tell you what we don't think so honey whatever bowen yang's gonna say right now so um this is his i don't think so honey are you ready bow i'm ready good because your time starts now i don't think so honey physical keys it is this weight that we all carry with us and it is it's this it's this crazy like sisyphean like way of like having to like sort through it's like it's like stuff that you have to like sort through and like you have to carry the knowledge of like what you have with you all the time. And I find it to be very,

very, very crazy. Like I need other, um, like cerebral real estate for other things. I could be, I could like, I could, I could remember the movies that Cameron Dia I could be, I could like, I could,

I could remember the movies that Cameron Diaz has been in and, and just, and like known that she was a prestige actress at one point. Like, I just think he's, I know this is very, it's like bringing up like this quotidian thing, but like,

I really don't, I, I welcome like the surveillance state as far as it lets enter buildings with just a phone or a little a little Bluetooth action. And that's why I've been saying track me, daddy. For years. I don't care. I used to think I had an inch. Oh, look at me.

I belong to an interesting subculture. My Discover Weekly knows me so, so specifically. I am nothing like that. I were already there there they already know me take me well you know you know what they're gonna start doing everywhere is the eye recognition so it's like that thing of like how your phone does it like when you stare at it and it unlocks apparently like you know who's disney world and disneyland of course the most forward thinking minds the imagineers have thought up a world

where you can just, it's like not going to be ticketing. It's not going to be anything like that. You can kind of just like eye scan. And also, get this, this is where I heard it's heading. That based on things you've done in the park, certain characters will know to interact with you a certain way because the eye scanning is going to have followed you so this is something they were talking about for

the star wars galaxy's edge is however you did on the certain millennium falcon ride if you scored a lot of points or whatever because it's like a video game you would be approached by people in the park being like you are a great warrior you're a great space fighter and we respect you. And that they would know that. Kate is mortified. I went really dark with this. Yeah, no, this is very dark. That's, that's.

Mostly I'm just like. I take it back. I just, honestly, I just got sad because I was like, oh yeah, because now games are about Star Wars or something, you know. Often. I was like, the teacups. Like, that's where that took me. I don't know when the last time you've been to Disneyland is, but they've really taken a hard right turn

into video game screen land. I've essentially never been. You must go. It's our favorite thing. It was a huge wound. It was a huge childhood wound because my parents never took me to Disneyland. I went once.

I pretended to be diabetic because I had seen it in the Babysitter's Club movie and terrified. And my mom was there for a friend's birthday and then the mom flipped out and was like your parents didn't tell me you were diabetic and then I was like and then I tried to carry on and I was like I'm not

it was horrifying and then I went for senior night in high school but you know my friends and I were cool so we just got stoned we're like we're not going on the ride yeah but the hack is be stoned but go on the rides yeah yeah i would love to oh it's so good i mean we the thing is you go you're spinning around and letting it happen to you but yeah there's a lot of they served alcohol they do now so they've just this is this is my this is how you know this is more doomsday Googling. Me knowing where they serve alcohol in Disneyland.

They serve it at the Blue Bayou now, which is at the restaurant at the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. So there you go. Wow. And it's outdoors. It does sound fun. You'll love it. I love it.

I'm actually kind of surprised that you haven't been. I almost went a few years ago and then I didn't. And that's where that ends. You know, I bet Jacqueline likes Disney. I know. I think you're right. I should ask her if she would like to go. You know, we were once tagged and they said Bowen is the Kate and Matt is the Jacqueline,

which is why I feel like maybe she likes Disney. Oh my God. Oh my God. How did I miss that tag? I always search my name every morning and evening. That's shocking. Someone said that. Wow. That my God. How did I miss that tag? I always search my name every morning. That's shocking. Someone said that. Wow.

That's beautiful. Beautiful. I, by the way, I just want to say I'm terrified for my, I don't think so, honey. Like I really felt like racking my brain terrified.

It's too strong a word, but I'm scared. In fact, just like, no, I know. Ew. I hate myself for even see this.

It's below you to have to hear that to have for you to have to encounter my fear of not being interesting enough or funny enough. Has anyone ever? I'm not saying that I'm going to do this, but has anyone? This is probably cheating. Splitting the minute into two. Yes. People have done it.

The form has been broken in so many ways. Yeah. Has anyone ever done this? I'm really self-flagellating over here. What's going on? What is this? No need. I blame COVID. I blame the year of isolation. It did make. done this i'm really so flagellating over here what's going on what is this no need i blame covet i blame the year of isolation it did make it did make me a more anxious fearful person which i

love for me yeah i know no it actually has done that it's horrifying okay i'm just gonna do one and it's kind of something i mentioned earlier a little bit in different content all right well this is caper lance i don't think so honey our time starts now i don't think so honey prosecco oh i don't i for years was hypnotized by the culture and i thought that i wanted prosecco i thought that i needed it i thought that if bubbles equal prosecco you know i didn't know at that point i was young champagne is a certain certain in France, right? It's not all champagne, blah, blah, blah. Prosecco.

It wasn't until I would say maybe a year and a half ago I started to go, guess what? I don't like Prosecco because it's sweet and the bubbles aren't dense enough and I don't want Prosecco

and I'd rather start the meal with give me a cava, give me a cremant, give me anything. But the Prosecco, it's an invention of bourgeois. You know, it's this invention of bourgeois you know

it's like it's this invention that was forced down our throats and we're all hypnotized and we think that it's good but it's not and the flavor

it's not it's not good I'm sorry it's just not good and I'm not gonna lie anymore and going forward I won't be seduced by the $8 Prosecco

five seconds and I will just go straight for something else and honestly I'd rather have seltzer I'm not even kidding and that's one minute Kate I want to tell you something

beautiful I have done I don't think so honey Prosecco because I don't think so honey Prosecco no I hate it and it is we're being bad with Prosecco no we're not no what you're doing is getting a headache

you're getting a headache so bad instant headache and you don't want two bad with Prosecco. No, we're not. No, what you're doing is getting a headache. You're getting a headache. I'm getting an instant headache. Oh, the headache is unreal. And you don't want two glasses of Prosecco. Never. I mean, it's just, I'm sorry. It's not good. It's sweet.

It's sweet. And also, I don't want people, there's a thing about sweetness. Like, no, there can be sweet undertones in wine and it's gorgeous, but this is not what I want. No, it's not about the sweetness for me. It is about the fact that there's something about Prosecco where you're like i'm not i'm not gonna have a second glass no i don't think if you're listening to this and you've had a second glass of prosecco something something's the master something's oh call someone calls seek help seek treatment

what we're what i feel is like like prosecco it's supposed to be like your hands in it and it's like a celebration. No. Who are we celebrating? The big Prosecco? Big Prosecco. That's what it is. Also, can I say it's so fizz forward. Oh God.

I feel like there isn't enough fizz. I feel like it's almost flat. It's like falling out of the, it's just, it's pathetic. I don't want my drink to be bubbling. I'm sorry. And I say that as someone who likes Disney.

Well, I do. I'm sorry. And I say that as someone who likes Disney. Not that much. I want bubbles and I won't do it anymore. I can't. I don't know. Even champagne. You know what it is? I've kind of had Prosecco and now I have that sort of disdain for it so that even the nice bubbling whites.

I'm like, i can't i'm here to bring you back to bubbles back to cremont back to kava back to a gorgeous you know you keep you keep sort of saying kava and i'm like maybe it's the maybe kava is the way i think i think we gotta go it's not just because i'm half spanish but the kava is the way it's the way let's do it and i i hate that i'm quoting uh a fred armisen character from an snl sketch but this is regime and at one point it's this living room set up someone brings up prosecco and then fred armisen is this woman goes oh what are we celebrating mediocrity average oh my god that's hysterical and here i am i didn't even know prosecco i thought i was somehow

being a revolutionary no no no no no and i no i i know you're not i don't feel insulted i'm just saying that i feel honestly that i that i found community yes and i'm saying i i felt like when when you said it i was like oh my god and i feel like people looked at me like i had two crazy heads when i did it and so now to sort of like hear a sister sort of rage on about Prosecco I was like, I must tell her that I feel this way. I'm so glad to hear that you

also feel that way. I feel that way so bad. No more. I know people that like exclusively drink Prosecco and I have a level of distrust for them. It's sinister. It's they have to let pleasure in. Yeah, they have to let pleasure in. It's not have to, you know, I have to let pleasure in. It's not that they don't know what they want.

It's that they're afraid of what they want. Bingo. Bingo. There's that, there's that genius. You got to listen to Pooh because it is just these two people who are just, it's, it's, it's, they're having the most engaging. I mean, this sounds so like whatever, but like the most engaging this sounds so like whatever but like the most engaging conversation

it's fantastic thank you I mean that's deeply flattering my god often imitated never duplicated okay they're trying to be caperland the kids are trying to be caperland they're not doing it like them

oh my god this truly lifted me i'm soaring i'm taking this into the evening and i just feel like i'm looking at a bowl of citrus and i'm thinking are you oh my california i don't know i feel i feel really i feel bright you really restored me to be looking at a bowl of citrus oh is it fresh yeah oh oh to think and think bowen think about this morning when that fresh bowl of citrus sort of shaking with the shaking i know it's an incredible beautiful nature we have to love each other folks because we're shaken out here oh we're shaken out here um and so listen to poog obviously our our sister pod we are so happy to haveog, obviously, our sister pod. We are so happy to have you here on the show.

Gotta tell you. I was so thrilled to do it. You're both so funny and great. And I just truly had a blast. And for Symmetry, so we've had Jacqueline on. For Symmetry, we had you on. And then we'll have- We must have a crossover.

I would love a little crossover thing down the line right before we logged on i was tagged and i too always check my tags i was tagged in a thing that said where is the poog last coach crossover oh so sweet it happened that night yes we should do a crossover live event in vegas oh yeah just if any if any like deep pocketed producers are out there they are then they are

we would love to do it in Vegas host us in Vegas host us at you know like um the Bellagio or whatever what I want to do is us four in front

of the fountains as they dance and us talk and no one be able to hear us because the water's going I think it'd be great imagine yeah

it'd be a dance really that stage picture um so listen Bo uh famously uh to hear us because the water's going. I think it'd be great. Imagine. It'd be a dance. That stage picture. So listen, Bo. Famously, we do end every episode with a song. That's true. Take it away. Shake it off. Shake it off.

Haters gonna eat. Players gonna play. Play, play, play. And I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake. Shake it up, shake it up. Bye. Thank you, Taylor, for that one. Bye.

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