Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Why Did You Do That... TO ME?!” (w/ Joel Kim Booster)

Episode Date: October 31, 2018

History is made again!Las Culturistas veteran Joel Kim Booster returns to the studio for a groundbreaking THIRD time. After leading with some troubling comments about Las Culturistas vs. Seek Treatment, Joel sits down with Matt and Bowen for a much anticipated deep dive into A Star is Born. Additional topics include: late thoughts on The Greatest Showman, self esteem, representation, body image, acid trips, and Alyssa Edwards.Plus, three incendiary I Don't Think So Honey's on Halloween costume culture, astrological sign shaming, and the content of Blue Planet.---MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!LAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have several coming up. The first one is Queers Live Bo and Talib! Oh babe, it's inspired from the very, inspired by I should say, the very first Queer Divas Live starring all your favorite divas, but we're just putting a little queer spin on it. We're gonna have so many great people. Larry Owens, Cola Scola, Josh Sharp, Aaron Jackson.

Yes, Peter Smith. Peter Smith, and more to be announced, more queers. More to be announced, musical directed by the one and only Henry Kapurski. This is on Monday,

November 26th at Joe's Pub, the one and only. It's our very first ever Last Culture Recess show at Joe's Pub. We love the folks over there. We're going to be, you know, recording a little video promo for it in the coming weeks. You might see it, and you can get tickets at the Joe's Pub. We love the folks over there. We're going to be recording a little video promo for it in the coming weeks. You might see it.

And you can get tickets at the Joe's Pub website. So please head over and do that. And then we have the gag, of course. It's I Don't Think So Honey Live at the Bell House on November 30th. Yes, this is going to be a pretty new batch of folks. We are really going to show you some new faces, darling. Our last

one was like a legends ball type gig but this is gonna be such a fun fresh experience it's gonna be so great I can't wait for it yeah you gotta get your tickets to our I don't think so honey live at the bell house on November 30th and if you're on the west coast honey I'm coming to you and I'm gonna be doing

I don't think so honey live at the region in downtown LA on December 5th the lineup will be announced shortly, as will the Bell House lineup. But this is going to be so much fun. I loved our show that we did at Equiplex. It was so fun. I can't believe I'm missing this one. But you know what?

It's for a good reason. Okay. Which is your wedding to yourself. Yes. Just kidding. He has work. So listen, I cannot wait. And then, selfishly, i want to just plug a little

show that i do here in new york city at the duplex it's called have you heard of christmas oh i love this show thank you baby i'm really excited it's going to be on december 11th december 18th and december 22nd so i'm going to do that show three times and i really want you guys to come you can get tickets um which are on sale right now oh those are the shows and that's the gauntlet special guests special guests and that's musical gauntlet. Special guests. Special guests. And that's musical directed by Henry Kapurski as well. Yes.

Oh, I can't wait for all of these shows. I will be at three out of four of them for sure. So please get those tickets and check them out. Yes.

Forever. Dog. Look, Matt. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture yes goodness wow and we were late to the studio today and our guest was furious because bowen had to make his rice this is a pr disaster i've never been slandered this way on social media. No one ever came for me because I didn't tell the whole truth. What? And that's rule of culture number 13.

What does that even mean? No one ever came for me because I didn't tell the whole truth. Lots of reasons to read me, but you know what? You can't say I'm not a truth-telling bitch, capital B. Wait. Okay. We can't parse this out right now. I will expose you.

I don't know what that means. I don't know my words, but I do know my heart. I was making short rib kimchi fried rice for all of us to eat. Complimenting himself all the way. No. I was going to make it for all of us to eat after this recording, but you're going to go off to caveat and... For game show, my friend.

For game show. Joel's invited to come over. Our guest is invited to come over afterwards and play Slapperazzi on Mario Party. Oh my god, wait. Now I have to come. What? Okay, wait. You guys. This is a Las Culturistas endorsement. Yes. Super Mario Party on Nintendo Switch.

Super Mario Party on Nintendo Switch. It's the best mini game in Mario Party history. It's called Slapperazzi. Go explain it. There's a circular platform that all four characters are on, competitors are on, and there's five different stands where a Koopa with a camera will appear at random. And your job is to, the goal

is to go as close as possible to the camera and slap away your competitors to see who can get most centered in the photo. You slap them out of the way for the intention of this Koopa photographer. And what's the name of the girl? Rosalina. Rosalina. Okay, so there's this new character, Rosalina, who's like in the same world as Peach and photographer. And what's the name of the girl? Rosalina. Rosalina.

Okay, so there's this new character, Rosalina, who's in the same world as Peach and Daisy. She's obviously some sort of princess, but she's got an asymmetrical bang, honey. Yeah, she's glamorous. And she's nine feet tall. It's impossible for her to not win this game. And Dave Mazzone was playing as Rosalina, and he kept winning.

It was so funny. Rosalina was just looking stunning in front of the camera. In every action shot. Even when she was being slapped away, she looked stunned. She looked fierce. She looked fierce. Oh my goodness.

We're making history again with this episode. Can you believe it's a three-peat? It's a three-peat. This is the first entry into the three-timers club. We're making history again. We're making history again.

As we've always... He says, we well-behaved women rarely make history and are we well-behaved it's actually rule of culture number one well-behaved women rarely make history that's how marilyn said it too with that little coquettish coquettish affect honestly front runner for title love half well-behaved women okay let's just see what the guest brings let's see yeah we're literally three minutes in i'm just saying it's a front runner at this time we've been doing

the episode for three minutes and at this time it's a front runner just like lady gaga in the best actress race oh and i knew that would get get our guests a little steam this is our deep dive into a starsburn we'll talk about other things like a clam in a hot bucket but uh this is our first three-time guest he He's one of our dearest friends. He is one of the most preeminent minds in comedy right now, I would say. I would say when it comes to minds, preeminent. Preeminent. Honestly, mind, body, face.

Hair, body, face. Hair, body, mind, face. Hair, body, mind, face. She missed the fourth one. A man loves a quadruple threat. He has his wonderful show, Joyfuck as part of new york comedy festival number november 9th yes friday uh i might be in it who knows it's gonna be all asian comedians can i say something if you're not on the bill i would gag i would say that's a revolutionary

stunt for joel to not book bowen for the joy fuck club yes but he's i mean we're he's he's booked mostly the lineup from san francisco when he when we did this at cluster when he did this a cluster fest one of the my one of my favorite that was my favorite show at the festival so fun so great uh and I say that and we had a show in the festival I still like Joel's better and I would say Joel was robbed uh in Gauntlet Dugag I would say I mean look if we're looking back and we're gonna like re-litigate the whole thing it was pretty much a robbery that he didn't move on to at least the next round. I agree. I agree. Go back and listen to it.

We'll get into this with him. You can sound off in the comments. And Joel will also maybe be co-hosting the L.A. version of I Don't Think So, Honey with you. We hope so. We hope so. Again, it's in litigation right now. It's in litigation. It's in the courts, which have been changed irrevocably

under this administration. Absolutely. I haven't seen you since the CAV hearings. Oh, it's been a while. We haven't done a live episode in studio in a month. We haven't recorded in a bit because you have your new gig. Uh-huh.

And yeah, since then the world's turned upside down. We found out the world's ending, but let's bring in our guest. Let's bring in our guest. This is one of my favorite people in the world mine too we got that off the top um one of my favorite people in the world welcome joel wow wow what an intro yeah here on your second favorite podcast you didn't think i would wait to jump Joel Joel has a new favorite podcast

It's still in the Forever Dog cinematic universe You used to call it The Lost Culture Reasters cinematic universe It's incredible the disrespect And now it's been demoted We've been demoted We got dinner the other night I think I was the first person he saw

In this great city And he looked me in the eyes And said I'm recording my favorite podcast the other night he was i i think i was the first person he saw in this great city not true and he and he looked me in the eyes and said i'm recording my my favorite podcast tomorrow and i knew that we weren't recording with him until friday today and i said oh okay well that's hurtful the timeline is completely wrong here by the way not the first person that i saw time is a flat circle then tomorrow i don't know you're such a sensationalist. I love this podcast. You know,

this podcast will always be my favorite, but I have to say, I moved to LA a year ago and I rely on these podcasts to spend time with my friends while I'm driving around my car. And your podcast has simply gotten too big.

You're getting big names like Scott Thompson and Shangela. And aren't they your friends? They are not my friends. Okay. I am their friend. They are not my friends.

Okay. But, and it's just right now, Kat and Pat, they're having on all my friends. Okay. And that is comforting to me. I guess Joel is saying to Kat and Pat,

you know, stay small. Don't go too big. Yeah. Yeah. Don't dream. If you, if you listen to my episode of their podcast i did say that to their faces and they did find it to be very offensive although oh i can't wait to listen to that but by the time this comes out that'll have come out yeah hopefully yeah you'll be all over the forever

dog airwaves did you do you did you do unofficial and i did unofficial expert i did so the woman who books all the forever dog podcast guests she she said, hey, when are you in town? And I said, actually, I'll pull up the email if you guys are fucking butthurt about me having a new favorite podcast. But she said, we'd love to get you on some of the other podcasts. And I said, I don't want to be on any. I was like, I don't want to be on some other podcast.

I was like, if I have to. I was like, Lost Cultures. This is priority number one. And if I have time, I'll do seek treatment. And then I was like Lost Cultures this is priority number one and if I have time I'll do Seek Treatment and then I was like and then you can choose a third and I'm a visual expert

oh my god I think it's a great choice it's a great choice it was it was the right choice I think out of everything on the network I feel like

that's what I want to hear is you with Sydney and Marie I was oh it was so fun they are the funniest people and um I was being a little bitch but

I knew what I wanted and I asked for it thank you thank you that's exemplary exactly so joel how is this i i we're literally catching up because i was very late and i'm sorry and i apologize uh how was this asos event last night the asos event was fine um it was they the thing is is they asked for rsvps they knew how many people were coming to the event and they still chose to have it in the smallest space imaginable that was truly,

it was like a Z-shaped room. So it was mostly hallway. A Z-shaped room? It was so bizarre. It was just fucking out of nowhere? Yeah, it really did feel like a Stephen King novel. You just couldn't move. There was literally like tables

in the middle of every room. But it was great everyone who was cool and hip and dress as well was there i'm sorry but we were not invited and i'm a weird frequent asa shopper hello i own several garments from asa asap no here's the thing wow patty harrison famously did a branded uh sponcon with ASOS, and she told me that they corrected her and said it's actually pronounced ASOS. ASOS? Which I said, no. You were saying it's like a GIF-GIF thing.

It's a GIF-GIF situation. I don't give a shit if it's supposed to be GIF. No, there's not a soul that says ASOS, and they need to know that. But they are British. They're a British company. ASOS. ASOS. Yeah, I know they're fucking they are British. They're a British company. ASOS. Yeah, I know they're fucking British

because they always default me to the UK and they show fucking pounds even after I tell them after the millionth time that I'm American. I'm American. I'm an American.

I am American. American. Just like Yunsoo. Thank you. Wait, I just want to say that there's been a lot of slander about ASOS. We love them.

Thus far on the episode and I just want to say because I like been a lot of slander about ASOS. We love them. Thus far on the episode. And I just want to say, because I like a new coat, I love ASOS. And I would go to any other events. Truly wearing head to toe ASOS right now. I like that shirt a lot, actually. Thank you. It is just a plain tee that got fucked up in the wash. And now people think it's better.

Really? Yeah. It is cheap, though. Is that a plain? Was it a white tee? No, it was just a beige tee. Oh, okay. What a great

Segment for As I've As I've always said Podcasts are visual medium Podcasts are visual medium Podcasts are visual medium Also I'm looking at you Wearing it and I'm like

Oh it's just that I wish I had like A good body Yeah Okay Well what are you What are we gonna do Not talk about it

I You walking around with it You walking around with this body This is erasure All this body? This is erasure. I feel like this is always the time of year almost that I've recorded this podcast with you guys. And every single year when I record this podcast, I am coming either out of a depressive phase into a manic phase or have just been yelled at by a good friend's boyfriend.

So what? Wait, so where are you right now? I think I'm, as I was the same time last, this time last year, exiting a dark phase, I think. And the year before that, I was yelled at by our good friend's boyfriend. Who? Do you remember?

Wait, wait. Oh! Wow! Keep it in, Megan. I see you with that pen in your hand! Keep it in, Megan. I see you with that pen in your hand. Keep it in. I always just like float into this podcast recording and I'm always just like,

I'm always so stressed. I'm sweating. I'm just like. Okay, let's talk through this. You know what happened in therapy today that I'm fucking obsessed with? I was venting. I was like, I don't know.

Like I just got dumped this week and work is kind of crazy and all this stuff. And then like, I'm always calling those things into question. I'm always second guessing myself in those areas. And then she goes, okay, tell me one area in your life that you are certain about that you never

question ever. And I was like, Oh God, do I have anything? And then I said, my friends, my friendships, I never question and

it was lovely and then she asked why and i said because she was why do you think that is and i said because uh i just uh i'm i'm very lucky to have them and they've just i've invested a lot of time into them and it's just been a matter of time and volume and she was like well great then that might apply to other areas as well. I was like, oh, great. So, Joel, this is just for you to say. Maybe have the same exercise where you just examine the things that you are certain about. And then, I don't know. I'm not.

I sound like fucking Oprah. Are you in therapy? I was before I moved to LA. And then, you know, we had like many relationships. I had to say goodbye. And now I'm trying to find one in la but it's tough i'm i'm on the road like three weekends out of you know three weeks out of the month usually and so it's hard to like keep that relationship alive it's hard to keep any relationship alive it is it is you know and um you know that's but that's that's an investment in a relationship that you would make i know but i

honestly like i i found it so hard it took me years in new york to find a therapist that i vibed with because it's always it's it is like date it's like dating yeah and i would always get these people who were i and this is this is awful to say but i just kept meeting therapists that were dumber than me and it was just really frustrating to something you could unpack with a good therapist yeah and it was just like oh like and they were it was just like making the most basic observations and like and i was like let me uh do a shortcut from you i'm gonna say this which is covering for this and it is a total fabrication because this is how i'm really feeling and you're going to tell me this and then I'm going to reach this point. Can I go now?

Who is that like? That's like a character. That's like a famous character. Someone that's way ahead of everyone else? Like a Dr. House. Sort of like that, but it's like a Dr. House thing.

Speaking of characters, can I say, because I don't know what you're fucking talking about, but I do know what I'm thinking. And I'm thinking right now about my favorite type of character in any movie, and me, Patty, and Sudi just went to go see Venom, and you were both famously invited to this showing of Venom, and you both pulled out minutes, hours before. I got dumped that night.

And I got blindsided by both the location and the time change. It was Williamsburg Cinemas at 10 p.m. And also, we would have gone earlier. Well, you guys said I... We would have gone at 9. This is so electric for the listeners to hear. Well, I'm just saying, we all could have been there and you all could have experienced what I'm about to say. This has really gone from you interviewing Shangela atela and scott topson like big names to

just three friends like talking nonsense well let me just say one thing because now i'm going to talk about culture okay venom venom has my favorite kind of character you could ever put in any movie which is dumb fucking scientist jenny slate jenny slate the only person who understood what movie she was in was jenny, who knew it was fucking stupid. And she was like, okay, yeah, so I'm a scientist. And clearly what you can see is we have here is mutation and, you know, like all these things. And she's saying these big-ass words, huge-ass words. And she's Jenny Slate.

But she's a scientist. So we're buying into that. Great. So she is, like, doing her thing and then the character, and this is such a trope in these movies, which is scientists who can literally in hours create like magic science. Like we are going to make, what's the fucking call? Symbiotic mutation,

whatever occur in like on a whim, like it's ready in days. And then, but they can't see even a half a step in front of their own actions until they are dead. 15 minutes later like they just are so stupid she died spoiler alert

she dies yes she dies and the way and this is how I know that she would she knew exactly what movie she was in because the character spoiler alert realizes she's gonna die and she goes no no and it's just so funny and I'm not saying i'm not saying that

jenny slate is not fantastic i think she is phenomenal in it because she knows what she said no and also there was truly some of her line readings i was like yeah you get this movie at least she tried something michelle williams didn't make any effort. If you like a dumb scientist in movies, then I recommend The Predator, which is toe-to-toe with Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom, as the worst movie I've seen all year. You didn't even have fun watching Fallen Kingdom? I did not have a single ounce of joy in my body

when I left that theater. I was so mad. I think you're right. When that man turned around, another pretty dumb scientist, and he was like, nasty woman. I turned to my friend, Sam, and we screamed. We screamed in each other's faces

and we could not believe that in the year of our Lord, 2018, they were making a nasty woman reference in this fucking dinosaur movie. Here's how you know that like it's all just like truly a waste because there's that great moment in jurassic world with lapkus and um jake johnson yeah which they're obviously far and away the best part of the movie and lapkus wasn't in the drastic world it's a falling kingdom they should have been the stars yeah because the moment when he's going up to kiss her and she's like oh i have a boyfriend that's like truly so smart and i had never seen that before and i was

like there was someone who was capable of writing that joke in that scene and like the rest of the movie is this and i didn't hate jurassic world i hated jurassic world fallen kingdom yeah yeah that wasn't even fun it was so rough it was just oh and but like, and but like, honestly, I think the Predator might have been worse. Really? If you can imagine. If you can imagine. Did you see Venom yet? No.

No, I haven't seen Venom yet because famously you changed the time and the location. This is what the listeners want. More, more, more. Wait, who's the dumb scientist in the Predator? Olivia Munn. Yes!

Olivia Munn. I stan Olivia Munn. Queen Olivia. Do you really? I actually do. I think she's, I love, I think I stand behind her

with what she, you know, did during the press tour for the movie with, you know, with the pedophile, the sex offender

on the set. I do, but I find her just a wet noodle. Just. As a performer? Yeah. I mean,

the thing is, so a lot of people think Aaron Rodgers is closeted. Right. Wow, they do? And, oh yeah. Oh, I had never heard this room room. I guess this is like a real mid-w Aaron Rodgers is closeted right they do and oh yeah oh I never heard this I guess this is

like a real Midwest like this is a Chicago gay Twitter like this was like if you were if you were gay in Chicago in 20 like 13 you were very aware is he a Chicago bear no but he's he plays for the Packers and so Midwest you know great we're all aware but I've always said that like

if you are going to have a beard like make it someone that is completely invisible to gay men and so in that way olivia munn is the ideal beard wow you are a quant so bad but it's just like why all these k-a-w-n-t like fucking like historical beards like liza minnelli it's like what are you thinking yes of course you want to hang out with liza but it's so obvious i know i mean the best beard of all time are not not the best but i think the most prolific beard of all time may actually be our sweet sister miss democrat party miss democrat party i think our community

really made a mistake when we started calling the women that gay men date to cover for themselves beards instead of wigs we should be calling them wigs we can actually that's actually

real culture number 61 we should have been calling them wigs but we can change it we'll change it yeah I don't know if we can though because we'll change it yeah we might change the culture i don't know if we can though because now all these little gays are saying wig yeah which we're

old now we're old isn't that oh it's tough it's tough it's really hard to go to these colleges now and perform in front of college yeah because they're all like charlie puce and i'm like what is it puce or pooth it's pooth oh bitch it's pooth I couldn't care less if it's puce pooth or poth ah I would love poth now I

I don't I don't love that but the thing about um like as Pat says these young girls is that um

you know we were we were then but but a decade ago yeah and I I guess I have to like I always have to think when i go to these

colleges and before i step out onto those stages i i think to myself remember what you were like at 20 and i was like i was still like a real human being you know and um i it is this weird mental block in my head where i'm like every time i go to a college i'm like they're not real they don't know like they don't care about me i'm too old like i half the time when like one of the students is like what do you want me to say about you before i bring you out i'm just like can you just like tell them that i know jabuki young white like i feel like i feel like that will do more to endear me to them than anything else because um you don't know this though but your peers are there like i remember like when during

our were you there that night when we we went to the nyu welcome week the stand-up and the headliner was michelle boutteau oh yeah like it's it was it's weird now to like do shows with her you know what i mean and like know her like i've worked with her a bunch but it's like it's just funny because like well there is a difference though and this is i mean maybe this is problematic but i will say there's like a difference. But when I go to a school in like Colby, Maine, you know, to going to NYU Northwestern or like I just did like a school in San Diego, La Jolla, you know, like it's different. Like I do think the energy is different in like the lives that they're leading are a little bit. It's incredibly problematic of you to say but i guess we have to agree but um i think who knows like there's a freshman at haverford who's gonna share the bill with all

of us in four years what do you think their name is um truman i i just got asked out on it well oh i so what happened is i worked on the show i was working on the show and the showrunner's assistant and i vibed like the whole time i was oh i love that yes and then he's in la too and like i i said i said uh gorge i commented gorge on one of his uh instagram posts and he dm me and he was like hey i think we really got along really well and like uh on set he was like i would love to like hang out with you and get a drink with you uh do you want to go get a drink sometime with me? And I was like, sure. And so we exchanged numbers and we've been texting. And then it was his birthday last night.

And I was like, oh, cute. And so I was following along on his story. And then the last one just said, thank you to everyone who got me to 23. And I was like, oh, no. I don't think it matters. If you couldn't tell he was 20. Look, not that. He doesn't look 23.

He looks older. Even better. He looks about 25. The gap. There's like lines on my face at 25 that weren't there at 23, bitch. 23 is the cusp for you? Like that's the. That's tough.

No, I do think that's tough. I guess it's like different. I don't know. We'll see. Listen, when I was 27 dating a 23 year old, it was tough. No, I do think that's tough. I guess it's like different. I don't know. We'll see. Listen, when I was 27 dating a 23-year-old, it was tough. And now I'm 30. And the thought of going for drinks with a... I mean, the thing is, we'll probably just have sex.

It's not a big deal. It is just like every time I find out someone's young now, I just want to suck their fucking butt. I mean, whatever. What's the youngest person you've dated? I want to say, not that young. I want to say, like, I rarely date people my own age. There's this guy that was like 23.

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You like a Crypt Keeper. I think I have always wanted to date someone 30. Yeah. And so when I was 23, I was dating 30-year-olds. And now that I'm 30, I will date 30-year-olds. And I think when I'm 40, I'll still want to date 30-year-olds. That's the gay man's curse. What?

I've been running the spectrum lately. I recently went on a couple dates with someone who was 22 and also someone who was 40. So I'm just all over. That's great. But you know what's the... I'm international. You know what it fucks you up when it really scrambles your brain

is when you go on a date with someone who's in their 30s who is less emotionally mature than you are. That happens a lot. Well, you're very emotionally mature. Emotionally, you are 68. I went on a date with this guy in his 30s who would not stop talking about his ex. I was like, you are too old to be doing this.

You must understand that this is a big, big no, no, no, no. Anyway. I guess that is something that... Same night that I got dumped. What? Same night that is something that i got dumped what same night wait oh really that's the same night yeah that was you got dumped and then you went on a date on a different what a baller okay so we were there and we were shot caller um we were there and bowen came back from a telephone call where a relationship or a budding situation was, was nipped in the bud.

And he was debating whether or not to go out on a date that very night. And I said, at first I was like, well, are you thinking that you're going to represent yourself and have a good time? Are you going to have a good date tonight? And it was like,

no, but then I also thought to myself, yeah, but then you're also canceling on someone an hour before, two hours before, which I think at that point you do have to think about their feelings. And we had another friend last night. I just won't say their name.

Yes. But they were extremely nervous and anxious to go on a date. Very anxious. And I was literally just like, you gotta go because it's so shitty to cancel right before. That would really bother me.

Yeah. That would shatter me. Sh me. That would shatter me. Shatter? That would shatter me. It would emotionally shatter me. To be cancelled? Speaking of shallow, I know that's not an oldie. Wow, you're ready to move on, aren't you? You really want to get there.

No, I want to keep this at we're 25 in. You feel this way. I feel this way. Oh, this is Matt's new catchphrase. You feel this way? Which is, you feel this way? We're trying to. You feel this way. I feel this way. Oh, this is Matt's new catchphrase. You feel this way? Which is, you feel this way? Which we're trying to think, like maybe like. Stylized as U, the letter U, capital F-E-E-L, this, capital T-H-I-S, way, capital W-A-Y,

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Lost Culture East to deep dive into he's refused to have a discussion with me about it until this moment yeah joel yeah into a star is born he's tried to bait me he is trying to bait me he is trying to bait me i think but i think this we already know what joel's stance on it well yeah no because we knew even before the movie came out because he said he was going to be contrarian no matter what and that was a joke that was a joke stupid bitch with his that was that was a joke you are a contrarian on all things take a joke i don't like this take a joke nonsense when you said that to me in the group text matt have you ever heard of a joke i was like i was truly mad i know i said that to you you said that you feel this way who said that to you you feel this way and i i i literally was like joel you were gonna hate the

movie no matter what and you said mad do you know what a joke is no one wanted to like that movie more than i did no one wanted to go into that movie and love it absolutely no one not a single not a single person on this fucking planet wanted to like that movie more than I did. I think Joel was in a very understandable place of just being like, there's no way it's going to live up to all this crazy hype. Let's go around the table and talk about our feelings and opinions about A Star Is Born,

starting with our esteemed guest, Joel. No, I think you guys should go first. Okay. You go first. Went in with very high expectations that I, deep down, there was a kernel of, no way is it going to live up to this.

Went in, I had just come from a weird day at work, and I was like, we're getting all the details. We're starting at the fucking beginning. Absolutely, we want texture. I was born, the first movie I ever saw was it's rule number eight we want we want texture so uh culture number eight we go to this theater times square 10 30 thursday um

it's all of our friends a lot a lot of fun pals a lot of randos And I will just say, the energy was very frenetic. It was just a lot happening, a lot of activity. And, you know, I'm just getting really hyped up. And then we watched the movie. The first 45 minutes are perfect. Perfectly paced, perfectly performed, wonderful direction, decent writing. And then it just sags in the second half. And then I feel like a lot of things towards the end were

unearned uh and i don't know what the we don't know uh what the point of view of the movie is if it's supposed to be told through jackson and then at the end i feel like we're not no one's on the same page about what the takeaway is and the thing that ruined the experience for me was the fucking person behind me who shushed me during. Was it a white guy? No, it was a white woman presenting person. And she shushed me. But she shushed me during the Allie Billboard shot.

Unconscionable. That's ridiculous. I just couldn't stop laughing. Aaron Jackson was next to me. We both lost it. We were like giggling like schoolgirls. And then this fucking idiot goes, shh. And I gave the dirtiest look I've ever given to someone.

In our space. In our space during our movie. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. Shhh. Like, stop it. Ridiculous. I hate that fucking sound.

Ridiculous. Just literally use your words. Ridiculous. Anyway. that fucking sound. Ridiculous. Just literally use your words. Ridiculous. Anyway. Are you good? I'm good. That's me. That's all I have.

Here's my review of the film. And I understand. That was my experience. And I think that my review. All the audience members can understand that. Yes, I had Shandell on and it was I was in the afterglow of the film. And also Shandell was there. So I had to be, you know, hyperbolic with my love of the movie.

Here is the tea. This is a conflict of interest already. No. I loved it. I think that it's better than most movies. Really, I do. And I do think it will be looked back on as a good movie. However, Gaga, I think she's amazing.

I think Bradley Cooper was fantastic. I thought the directing, for the most part, was excellent. And I think for his first movie, it's like a huge victory. Uh-huh. I thought it looked great. I think most of the music is phenomenal. Mm-hmm. Where it loses me, and this is like me as someone who studied screenwriting,

who fucking, I can't stand this shit, is she's the only female character in the whole movie and that sucks there's gail and there's uh halsey there's gail halsey dave chapelle's wife yes nameless nameless and then and one of the little girls one of the little girls whatever and then gaga and i just feel like here's how you fix the movie. Make that ridiculous British cartoon of a manager, a woman. Fucking cast Carrie Coon in that part. Watch her get nominated for an Oscar. I'm not even kidding.

You're speaking my language, bitch. I'm telling you, just make it a female character because, A, the character has no female influence in her life. She's motherless. She has no female friends. She only hangs out with people who perform as women. She's the kind of chick who punches dudes at bars cops at bars right and then you're gonna tell me that this fucking literal cartoon of a british manager is gonna come in and say hey change everything about you that's working musically which was working she's becoming like a sarah borealis figure and then she turns

into fucking katie perry in a second change her look, which no one's ever brought up a problem with her look. Her hair looked great when it was brown. And also, I hate your husband and I'm going to pit you against him. It's like, why the fuck do we accept this character so wholeheartedly in her life? I understand he's a powerful person in the music industry, but I think the movie could have helped itself by deepening or like exploring that thing

where there's no female influence in her life but what you're saying is it's ridiculous that the most influential agent of change in that movie is that fucking manager right because it's totally unearned it comes out of nowhere and I think that kind of crazy scene where

he sits with him at with jackson at the house and says you know that it's a matter of time until you drink again and also you're gonna be you're a danger to her and all these things it's like if this is a female character at least we can understand this is coming from a place of like real knowledge about maybe what she's going through or whatever yeah but it's not it's this ridiculous character. And I think that was weird. The fact that they made her into this pop star was weird because we see all the time singers like Sara Bareilles, singers like any sort of adult contemporary skewing artist.

That's what she could have been. Also, if you're going to set the movie in country music, there's tons of pop country artists like Maren Morris, for example, that are successful doing what she's doing. her into that kind of artist this felt cartoonish to me and also my last thing with it is yes i understand we have a temple to follow with the other stars born but that this movie does glamorize suicide it does and it says like he died and now she can fully be the star that she's always been. And it was actually better for her that he passed away.

In a way, that is what's happening. Her true artistry only came out after he killed himself. Right. But, and also, I just want to say, there's no way he writes that song. It's not in his musical language. No. And I felt that movie trying to be other iconic movies where a pop star sings at the end a little bit but i thought gaga was fantastic i think it's a melodrama and therefore i'm willing

to let a lot of these things go i cried three times watching the film and i really enjoyed it and did see it three more times after i saw it the first time i i loved the movie i i think that it will be nominated for a lot of oscars i think it will win a few oscars not convinced on gaga pretty convinced bradley cooper will win best actor what yeah i think they're not gonna be able to help it's not a crowded field it's not a crowded it's actually really light unless they sam sam feels like a lock sam elliott yeah yeah right i liked his performance very much that was one of the times I cried. I thought Bradley Cooper was excellent. I think the acting in the movie is fantastic.

Fantastic. And I think that she was great. Wow. I hope gay icon, gay ally Andrew Dice Clay gets nominated too. LOL at him sharing scenes with fucking Lady Gaga. This fucking man who says Gaga. If it's good enough for her, it's not good enough for you? No.

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erase Michelle Branch and also everyone should be listening to The Wreckers which is Michelle Branch's other group the other project um anyway I was gonna say why did you do that to me as a bop why did you do that to me okay it's a it's a diane warren add that to the list of diane warren classics i

said here's her triumvirate because you love me i don't want to miss a thing and why did you do that to me i can't stop talking about what you do to me. And also I will say Shallow is a great moment in movies. Yes, yes, yes. Now Joel. Now Joel. Oh, he's. Am I allowed to speak? Yes.

Am I allowed to say what I want to say? I haven't been able to express these opinions. Here's the thing. Here's what I'll say. I agree with Bowen. I think the first 45 minutes is incredible. I think it's so textured. I love the scene in the gay bar when they're in

the the parking lot's incredible i think one moment it's like screenwriting 101 it made me so fucking hard was those fucking cheese puffs in the back do you like cheese no and then we just see the driver eating it in the background love it chef's kiss great so much so smart singing shallows together a great movie moment love I think the performances Are fine I think it is One of the worst scripts I have ever Sat through in a long time This prestige level movie

There is a line when Lady Gaga literally Sits across from Bradley Cooper And says the phrase I normally Write my songs on a typewriter And it goes Unaddressed unaddressed. It goes unaddressed. I do not understand.

Because Gaga does. I almost like, I wanted to set myself aflame when I heard her say that. And I was like, and there was no like POV. It's like, oh, if they made it like,

if Bradley, if they just like shot a shot of Bradley Cooper like looking horrified, I would have been satisfied. It would have been great. It's true though. You really that the timeline is insane and I Bradley Cooper has said in interviews that he specifically did not want to have a montage or anything that like an alley getting famous montage but there are so many scenes where you literally I was like oh this is being shot and the people are reacting and speaking as though this is four months later and then you find that it's like two days later

and then it's like what exactly is the timeline of her rise and even more confusing his fall makes no sense how do you go from selling out a stadium to then shoot it doing a pharmaceutical like conference it did and then he goes back to being a performer at the Grammys it makes no sense and then when he disappears and then she shows up and finds him has she been searching for him for a night a week how many days has he been missing when he wakes up in Dave Chappelle's life

terrible I think one of the greatest mistakes that this movie made is that it sets up a very compelling conflict for Bradley Cooper that none of the other movies touched on, which is the hearing loss. It's great. It's great. It's a great thing.

It's a great thing to layer in. And then they completely drop it. And then he ends up killing himself because the manager was mean to him. It makes no sense. Well, I bought that he was very sick. I bought him committing suicide because I bought him as very mentally ill. I just don't like the way that it was handled. Especially Sam Elliott saying, you know, this wasn't your fault.

It was his fault. That message is really problematic. I also think there are so many weird emotional jumps that happen in the movie. I don't think the punch makes sense. I do not think. The punch makes no sense. The punch comes from nowhere. It does not seem motivated by any human emotion that we have ever witnessed.

She doesn't seem drunk enough to do it. She doesn't seem drunk. The guy didn't seem aggressive enough either. We're supposed to buy, I guess, that she is just triggered by the idea of someone taking a picture with him. It makes no sense. Also, you left out a female character. Gail. No. The cashier. The cashier. A.K. out a female character. Gale. No.

The cashier. The cashier. A.K.A. his wife from Borat. Yeah. By the way, that's that actress. She's a comedian. I'm sorry. I had to.

Iconic. She slays. Gaga was great in that scene. Listen, if Toni Collette can win a Boston Critics Association Award for her turn in the hours for like 15 minutes of stage time, then I believe that that woman can win a Boston Critics Association Award. You really have just got that is such that is the most LA gay thing you've said since you've moved. It's for Joel to know that Toni Collette won a fucking Boston Critics Association Award. Boston Critics Association Award for her work in the hours.

I think Dave Chappelle's scene is awful. Really, bro? Really, bro. Why do you think that, bro? You can tell. Here's a little thing that I noticed as well. Is that the thing is, is the bros are so clearly written. But in Chappelle's actual like vocal like pattern he says man because there is

a line where he literally says man and bro in the same sentence and it's so distracting because it's clear that he those bros are not natural for him but the mans are yeah so it's so it was so distracting and that song that last song could be a song in any movie it feels like a different it's from a different movie. When I knew Diane Warren... And also, we haven't talked about this yet. The entire movie, and I know that there's some argument about what the POV of the movie is,

but I'm sorry, it does feel very clearly like it has an anti-pop agenda that is weird and insidious in a way that I don't understand. And also, I do think that... Why did you do that to me while I did hear it

hearing it in the gay bar in the gay club you live it's a great experience and I do love to jam to it it is very fun but that performance

on SNL is Jenna Maroney on 30 Rock it is such a parody of what a good pop performance is you're supposed to laugh at it.

It is muffin top adjacent. That made me mad. I took out the dancers because I'm an artist. It's like, oh, fuck their drag. Those dancers are going to be like, no, we actually have to work.

There's a union, bitch. Also, I mean, look, I. There's a union, bitch. I feel like, yeah. Also, I mean, look, I think it's a problem with the fact that they made her into that kind of artist. She did it. There was nothing about what she was doing and why he even liked her, the manager to begin with.

Totally, totally. That said, let's turn this person into Lady Gaga because we didn't even know she could execute choreo. It took Taylor Swift four albums before she went that hard. Full pop. And here's the thing. I actually think it very much mirrors what literally happened with Katy Perry

because Katy Perry was a warped tour artist. She was a musician first, and then she became the sort of cartoon that she is now. But I agree with you about the timeline i would buy that happening because it literally happened to katie perry and we see it like happen over time with many artists who have to who feel like they have to sexualize themselves or do that but because the timeline was unclear it felt jarring and there was really no moment where it was like you're actually really capable as a pop star like this

and another thing that bothered me is when she was telling Bradley Cooper about her meeting with the guy and she was like he really likes that song from the diner it's like when did he hear that song yeah that made no sense and here's the other biggest here's the other biggest problem with the second half of the movie

is that it loses track of Lady Gaga completely I do not understand what Ali wants in that second half of the movie i do not understand what like is her conflicts other than bradley cooper's alcoholism right and it just like i don't it's like her journey stops as soon as the star is born you know and then like and then it turns into a full his vehicle and it doesn't i don't know because like we're so locked into her the wish fulfillment of her journey in the first half of the movie and that is compelling to me in a way that like because this this movie is a can't melodrama in general it's like redoing a myth like where i did not go into this once i realized that

this movie is a melodrama and judging it on that grading it on that curve it's like fine it doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. It does not need to surprise me with its storytelling. But you can do a well-trod story well. And I think the first half of the movie does that. I think the first half of the movie reinvents that myth in a way that's really compelling and interesting to watch. And I think the second half of the movie does nothing but pile cliche on top of cliche on top of cliche. It's because it leaves its well-established world. It completely leaves a well-established world. And where do they live? the second half of the movie does nothing but pile cliche on top of cliche on top of cliche and we know exactly

where it's turning. It's a well established world. It completely leaves a well established world. And where do they live? Where do Ali and her father live? That is a mystery for the HHS. It'll be a question forever.

The suburbs outside of LA. Yeah, and they all have Jersey accents. It's crazy. Oh, and here's, listen, I could go on.

I actually think Andrew Dace Clay is better than Sam. He's really, I was, Andrew Dace Clay is great in the movie. I thought that too. I was like, Andrew Dace Clay is better than Sam. Andrew Dace Clay is great in the movie. I thought that too. I think he's really good. I think Sam Elliott has some real hard scenes to pull off. The scene where he comes in.

The stealing my voice thing is really bad. That was such a switch. As soon as they got into what we called in theater school the kisser hit range and started speaking about three centimeters away from each other's faces like it was a switch that like again did not feel motivated and like you could tell like sam elliott as an actor was like i guess i have to fill in the blanks here and get there myself self-motivated to get there but there's nothing in the script that like i not understand the switch from anger to true tears.

It was abrupt. Him backing out of the driveway was great. I think Andrew Dice Clay, if he had one more scene, would have a better chance of being nominated for Best Supporting

than Sam Neill. Well, that last scene where he's saying the 12 notes thing, that was supposed to be a scene between Andrew Dice Clay and Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper at the last second called Sam Elliott and said it had to be a scene between andrew dice clay and lady gaga and bradley cooper at the last second called sam elliot and said it had to be him because he wanted that

connection between and here's what i'll say about bradley cooper's performance and i'm torn it's so funny because i now i i have i have i've changed my position depending on who i've spoken to a number of times because there is like a literal whisper network of gay men in la who like do not like this movie and are too afraid to speak out about it I know that I'm I'm about to shed about a thousand followers on Twitter because of my my views you know um I think everyone is I think everyone knows this movie isn't perfect no I've seen people there are people going so hard I saw someone who very lightly was like you know the movie sort of goes downhill after they uh sing the shallows together and a critic jumped in the thread and was like that you know, the movie sort of goes downhill after they sing the shallows together. And a critic jumped in thread and was like, that's the point.

The point is that, you know, they're the rest of their relationship is chasing after the high that they were singing. And it was like, listen, listen, I,

I understand that that could be an interesting avenue to take for this movie, but you can also make it interesting to watch as well. It doesn't have to like the audience doesn't have to feel the malaise of what the characters are feeling for that to work and the other and the last thing i'll say is there is so much cake on faces so much frosting on faces and does acne not exist in this world does that like is everyone just getting chemical peels every single fucking day because oh my oh my God, I couldn't watch it. I loved the first cake on face.

The cream cheese, like when she announces that she is signed? When she says the manager thing and he's obviously drunk and he takes the cake and puts it in her face. I thought that was like a really good example of their, I think, really good chemistry. Give them that. But then the next one was where it was like you were nervous as the audience just being like, wait a minute.

And that was a moment for me where I was like, maybe I was just not responding in the right way, but I was like, oh, I don't think this movie knows, is pulling off

what it's trying to do. I think it was supposed to be a little bit shabby. Well, I think that is the microcosm of the whole movie. That is the movie

where it's small. It's like, oh, does this movie know what it's trying to do? After Always Remember Us This Way, the magic comes in, it gets weird. It's interesting because I do feel like people either, every single person almost that I've spoken to who's loved that movie has been like,

Lady Gaga is great, but I actually think Bradley Cooper is overrated or actually didn't really like Gaga and I think Bradley Cooper is a revelation. And I have spoken to many people on both sides and every time i've been like yes i agree um you could win an oscar for that scene alone i apologize i do the thing is is i just i ultimately don't think that you you will i walked away from this movie thinking feeling any strong feelings differently about them i love them both yes and but i guess what, for me with Bradley Cooper is I did not find it a transformative enough, uh,

of a performance to not be distracted by the fact that I was watching Bradley Cooper do this character. Right. Okay. I, I, I disagree with that. And I think,

well, and I think it's a, it's, it is sort of like, that is, that is a me issue because I was not able to like turn off that part of my brain. And I think like,

yeah, you need to watch more Bradley Cooper movies yeah that is that's the cure that's the that's the remedy secure by lady god I will say can I say something it's very funny because Matt was over at my apartment before we were very late to this recording and Matt was just looking up gags for a game show his show with Dave and he was playing clips of Titanic of Rose of The corset scene. The corset scene. And we were just quoting that dialogue back and forth because it's just in our bones. And we were just laughing at how stupid the writing is.

And I'm realizing. You're out of your duration, Rose. You know the money's gone. Of course I know it's gone. You remind me every day. It's like terrible writing. We're women. Our choices are never easy.

Okay. And I think. You you'd have to see me working as a mistress why are you being so selfish i'm selfish i'm selfish it's truly so silly the script is so bad i think this and whoever that critic was that you quoted as saying like it feels like titanic it's like the buzz is it's like sasha stone is being so extra okay it's sasha but i feel like it's it's it's it does feel in some way comparable to titanic where this cultural conversation is maddening and we're talking around in circles it's la la land again it's la la and i will say this it's the same complaints i had with la la land where the script is horrid and there is a first half of the movie that is brilliant and then you get that fucking stupid

i'm sorry la la land has one of the worst scenes we've seen in modern cinema history is the argument between them oh when they decide to like break up when they when he's made her dinner or whatever and the literally it's literally they have an argument because the movie needs them to break up yeah it's not earned. It's not motivated. They're great, but they can't even convince us. I agree that that scene is bad, but I also find it laughable. Some of the people who stand so hard for A Star is Born, who went so hard in on La La Land. And I do not think that the quality wise, these movies have a gulf between them.

And the thing is, I liked La La Land. La La Land. La La Land. I liked La La Land. Fine. I think there's better acting in La La Land than there is in A Star Is Born.

I think Emma Stone deserved the Oscar. I can't remember who else was up for it that year. I can't imagine she did. Because... But I do love her her and I think she was great. But and I think she's probably better than Gaga is in this movie. But and the music is better in Stars Born that I would definitely like Paz and Paul. I could say some things but

oh, I just think they're bad musical theater writers. I think they are good individual songwriters. Here's the thing. Here's the thing and it is it is the most emblematic in the greatest showman is that because they these boys came up in in the song cycle generation of musical theater writers they are good at writing an individual song yes like waving through a window is one of the all-time yeah most gorgeous like musical theaters uh for that I love. And For Forever is great as well. But like some a lot of these like especially in The Greatest Showman.

This is me. I love it. You know I love The Greatest Showman. You feel like it is you when you listen to it. Yes. But the problem is is none of those songs move the plot forward in a classically like musical theater way. It's in This Is Me. Who is she singing to?

Who is she singing to? What the who is the the who is she singing to what does she want the world the critics at the end of the song does she win does she lose like she wins these as a dramatic writer are questions you should be asking yourself about the songs of your musical the only song that does that in a greatest showman is i think million dreams like the very first song and but there's a montage attack the first three songs in greatest showman are fucking you could watch paint dry and it would be more exciting I love A Million Dreams

there are three bops in a row it's Rewrite the Stars Bop City Bitch This Is Me Bop De Bop and then Michelle Williams and her ass walking a tightrope mama ooh ooh

Rewrite the Stars is very good also I do love mama ooh ooh ooh ooh rewrite the stars this is very good um I also I do love you know I love

never enough shout out to my friend Dan Slater who remixed never enough it is the it is the definitive EDM

remix of never enough that was the backdrop for a fight in wow that's culture yeah but also you know

that the actress that played that part is the only person in the movie that lip synced. Rebecca Ferguson couldn't slay it. Lauren Allred,

voice season four or five. A voice contestant. That was a fucking, that sounds like a gag. That is about as best as you can hope for as a contestant on The Voice as a finalist.

Yeah. Uncredited, like, appearance in this is, oh God. But Lauren Allred is literally touring right now with symphonies uncredited appearance and this is Lauren Allred is literally touring right now with symphonies where she walks out sings that song and then leaves I'm sure she's getting paid

a million you have not lived until you are fucking like on the come up of Molly song comes on in a fucking circuit party at 5am lived until you are fucking like on the come up of Molly as that fucking song comes on in a fucking circuit party at 5am and you're screaming because it is

never enough never enough it's so good but again how does it move the story forward in any significant way that song does i think because it's the moment when he falls in love with her and michelle is like i'm losing him also um

the song the duet between hugh and zach is pretty good too oh that is good not a good song but in terms of like moving the platform moving the platform but even the song at the end when like he decides to like go and reopen it is like a stirring song where it's like dude dude we're all and it's like

it starts at zero and then there's a song and then the story starts again in a completely same place Zach is good I miss him singing

and dancing you can tell he misses it you can tell he misses it in the greatest show that isn't there during fucking Dirty Grandpa I'm sorry and he's so much hotter

when he's doing musical he really is he's good at it he is good but but when he's doing these broad fratty comedies i'm like i'm sorry but you seem like everyone else right now and you have talents that are not what what musical would we cast zach and zach and oh like bach and wicked no he could he would be a good fiero no no so not bach yes fiero that's what i meant i was like wow oh my god sorry not bach i would be adam i would be a great bach you would be a good i'd be a good i always dreamt that this is the sad thing about being a little gay uh person of color is that like the roles that you dream of? We couldn't have thought better for ourselves. We were like, God, I hope I get to be Bach someday. Because that's what I thought was available to me at the time.

It's true. He's so good in Hairspray, too. So good in Hairspray. He's really talented. And also, he plays those kinds of parts well. And it's just like, I don't know. I mean, I think he's too roided out now he's too big that's this is the fucked up thing about la that i've really and this has actually helped my body

this morphia a lot moving to la wildly moving to la has helped my body image issues because i am now so privy to how prevalent steroid usage is, especially in our community. And like everybody that I thought was attainable, like just through hard work and diet alone is not. And it's just like, and now I've become a real expert in spotting and being like, and just being okay with like the progress that I'm making because,

and the thing is, is I have nothing morally against steroids. If I had the back knee real estate to give up, to do it. If you wanted the knob nipples yeah if i if listen i love my genitals but i truly do not have a centimeter to give up with my balls you know like i like there it's just like i'm walking a fine line as it is and i just need all of the space down there that i can get and i so i cannot do the steroids but the it like it's my thing is it's like all these Instagram models who are like you can get here too if you just like follow my program and

give me $40 and I'll give it to you it's so dishonest actually speaking of Venom Tom Hardy bisexual icon yeah is one of the only people who's done one of those movies in recent history when he was Bane in the Dark Knight there's like pressed junket interviews with him where they're like how did you gain all this weight for the role did you eat a lot of fish and he's like when he was Bane in The Dark Knight. There's pressed junket interviews with him where they're like, how did you gain all this weight for the role? Did you eat a lot of fish? And he's like, no, steroids. It's just like, he was like,

I think he was a little bit cheekier than that, but he's one of the only people who fully admitted to being like, because it's like all the Chris's, there's no way they all got there themselves. I'm sorry. Hemsworth's body is freakish. Chris Hemsworth's body is, it's like carved out of stone.

Evan's too. It's like it's too much. Evan's, yeah. And yeah, Pine is pretty natural. That looks just like he goes to the gym. You know whose body

I always see on Instagram and I'm like, I would kill to have this body, which I probably would have to sell my soul to the devil is Colton Haynes. He looks like he doesn't eat, though. Colton.

Colton Haynes? No, he has to eat his shit, and he's huge. He's so skinny. That's, and what do you mean? Like, he's so, his waist is so small. His body fat percentage is very low, which means he probably does use steroids, because it's really difficult to be that large

without having, I'm sure his body fat is like at six or 7%. And he's large and lean. And that is Colton Haynes. Yes. He's large. Yeah. Have you ever seen him in? I've never seen him in person.

He's a big boy. He was at the Marin Morris. The Marin Morris. He's a big boy. Oh my God. You know what? I didn't, I didn't think of him as being big.

Yeah. Well, I mean, did you see him rough night where he plays the stripper yeah yeah i didn't oh i yeah i don't remember it well i don't know on screen i'm always just like i never really understand like what depth perception i guess sure by the way rough night just i think i saw it on a plane on a plane that might like be like influencing like my review of it but i think it's like truly the funniest fucking movie and do you feel do you feel like movies are better on planes i do oh always okay always guy who dumped

me like had this whole thing where he was like you have to drink a glass of white wine before you get on this plane and watch greatest showman because you will fucking lose it yeah well the altitude really does fuck you up in a big way too because i have sobbed so many times on planes watching movies where i'm like why am i crying watching this movie again um but it is the no wait not is it the internship or the intern the anne hathaway roberts yeah it's the intern yeah wept i love that movie wept 30 000 feet that's a good nancy myers play it's i will say i sobbed watching the live action beauty and the beast recently on the plane and here's another hot the live action Beauty and the Beast recently on the plane. And here's another hot take.

Live action Beauty and the Beast. Don't do this. It's better than you have said. And you're fucking. You are such an idiot. Wow. Everything you said in this episode is thrown out. It's not better.

It's not better. I will say if I were to if I were watching the cartoon. You couldn't even take yourself seriously when you said it. You failed. if I were to what if I were watching the cartoon if I were watching the cartoon I would say I have some notes and then if I watch the live action I would be like okay they took some of my notes because here's the thing here's the thing we need to recast the dishwasher who's playing bell here's the thing here's the thing that the live action solves story-wise for me is that a i do like that they made bell the inventor in the live action agency i think it's a better play i think two they solve a huge problem with the cartoon which is why does no one remember this castle exists until all of the events of

this movie because they're casting a spell yes but they only that's only from the live action the whole town forgets and then they add this actually truly dark layer is that all the servants who are now fucking items in the in the castle have families in the town that have forgotten all about them and that they're reunited and then the other thing is there's this urgency in the live action because there's not only will they stay clocks and dusters and stuff like that but they lose their souls their agency they lose like their humanity basically like they're slowly turning more and more into inanimate objects which is horrific and then also audrey mcdonald and the piano are married in the live action and there is a very sad sort of undercurrent of this subplot

where they haven't seen each other in years because she's a fucking chest of drawers up in her room and he's the fucking grand piano. And so they're trapped and they can't see each other. Wow. I'm Joel's making it. It's really sad. No. And it's dark and it's dark. As a screenwriter, you must appreciate these.

I appreciate these changes. But the fact of the matter is they add songs which slow the movie down. Yeah. They do. How can a moment last forever they also add that weird plague subplot which doesn't exactly work it doesn't add anything and also emma watson does sound emma watson sounds like a dishwasher she sounds like a cassio keyboard yes she sounds like sounds like you're doing scales on a cat yeah she's like

she's but her acting is good. I don't know. I actually... And this might be just like... Shout out to Sudi Green, who once texted me, Emma Stone is amazing. I love her.

She is Hermione and carries that legacy. And I said, Emma Watson, babe. And she goes, fuck, but it was too late. And it had already been posted to Instagram. That's something no one knows about Sude.

She commonly, commonly messes up celebrities' names. Wow. She once called Christine Baranski Christy Brinkley, which was one of my favorites.

She is a child of immigrants. Stop. OG Hooface Christine Baranski. OG Hooface. Chris Colfer was Chris Koffner. Yes. That's, I mean, that's fair, though.

That's so fair. He's a secret hottie, too. Is he? Wood Bang. Okay. Is he? I feel like, was he doing stuff? He's not really doing anything.

He actually wrote a movie. Oh, cool. He wrote a movie. Good for him. But I don't know if it was received, but I remember towards the end of Glee, I would check back in with Glee because in the beginning,

he was dorky-looking Chris Colfer. And then at the end, they did his hair. He got a little body on him and I was like, oh, shit. That's that new gay money. He has such a baby face.

New gay money. You know, Kevin McCann. New gay money. New gay money. What were you about to say, Jolie? It's not important. No, you guys have,

you're having fun. It's cool. What? Jolie, you feel this way? You're having fun. What's going. What? No, it's cool. Joel, you feel this way? You're having fun. What's going on, Todd? I still don't understand how to use that catchphrase. Like, okay, so let's say I'll be like,

Jennifer Hudson does not have a good voice. You feel this way? Yes, exactly. That's it. That's it. Imagine saying those words. I know, I know, but that's just like an extreme example. We should shout out at this point,

the group text that me, Joel, and Nicole Silverberg are on, which has no name, but that's just like an extreme example we should shout out at this point the group text that me joel and nicole silverberger on which has no name but it's basically the voice it is it is the three people in our lives that talk about the voice and watch the voice regularly uh it's very difficult it's a great season right now it's good it's good it's good i think the judges are good yeah i mean good combo the the the show is not about the contestants the show will never create a star never see so then it betrays its mission it does it does not it does not because i don't think the mission was ever to be like american idol we're gonna create a superstar i think the mission from the beginning was this is a show where four judges compete no i i really do think it started out because the thing is look at the careers of the people that's the four that started they were not

a-listers at the time the voice was not getting A-listers from the start they're only getting A-listers now you wouldn't consider at the time I first of all I think Christina was not an A-lister at the time Maroon 5 was a huge band it was a huge band but he but the thing is

you're looking back now huge deal I don't think so not in terms of current record sales but in terms of being a celebrity yeah but she but it was she was a has-been celebrity at that point

I don't think people are ready to say that what was her hit let there be love here I am here I am this is the first time I'm hearing this song

first time I'm hearing this song well that's you need to seek treatment let there be that's a great song but CeeLo at the time was like CeeLo was big before he

was like doing whatever he was doing selling meth to kids or whatever the fuck he got caught doing blake shelton was a huge country artist there you go so but i think i think the kelly jennifer blake and adam now it's a different this is the problem is that the show doesn't know what its mission is i think that's my theory even though i don't for it. It is a place to come on and rehab your career if you're a pop star. That's the thing. I mean, that's what Gwen Stefani did. It's a place to launch your next project as a coach. Do you hear the sounds of people honking out there?

They can hear us. It's like Christina Aguilera and her fans. It's Christina Aguilera and her 14 fans out there like, how dare you? I'm an A-lister! Oh, it's Christina's out there. I mean, she's an a-lister oh it's christina's out there i mean she's fine i just i don't know i do love i love uh the other iterations of the voice too i fucking love voice australia when i was in australia i watched so much voice australia and they did some fucked

up shit to people there they did some fucked up shit like they had these brothers on and they did this whole package and it was like we're very competitive and we're both hot and we're both gonna get on the voice and then they auditioned one after the other and one gets on one gets on and the other does not and it is they do that shit a lot though it's heartbreaking on x no not on the new american idol which i fully hope doesn't come back there was like this one girl who was like i want to be a pop star and i'm my name is like mackenzis or something i'm from uh whatever the fuck town and girl i'm a pop star okay look at my short short dress and my my fucking amazing hair and the sister was like ali hi my name is um rebecca and i am her sister and um you know i

play the guitar definitely it's one of my interests but I'm here to watch her oh my god it's Ali pre-shallow and like Katy Perry like listens to Mackenzie sing and she's like take me down like I'm a domino and they're like wow that was kind of good wow she's like I have a sister and they're like wow let's see her

and she just comes in with her guitar like what am I doing here it's so staged and she does this like transcendent performance of like, I can make you love me. And they're all crying and they're like, you're a star. You can both go to Hollywood, but you're a star. Mackenzus is like, hello. What about me, Mackenzus? You never heard them again.

I love this play. This one act play that we just saw. I'm writing the play take it off Broadway bitch take it off Broadway it's my one woman show Mackenzie Mackenzie

Rebecca Mackenzie I will do it you must I will do it I have caveats I mean Matt and I are trying to write the show

that I just had this idea where we should write I want I want our next our next live show to be our next play to be like Charlie's Angels ish. We say our next play, because before you all knew who we even were,

we were doing Ars Nova show called Night Soap, which is truly my proudest work. It's our greatest effort. And there's no record of it. No record of it. We might do it again. I, well,

we're speaking with the playwright du jour here. Playwright du jour. I haven't written a play in years. Don't't you've written plays for the screen yeah plays for the screen as they're called i'm working on new scripts oh i may be trying to get staffed soon okay okay getting i'm gonna make an effort to get staffing hope so oh he's gonna be a little los angeles baby with me i think i'm gonna go january don't steal him i'm gonna steal him Los Angeles staffing Hope so He's gonna be A little Los Angeles baby With me I think I'm gonna go

January through March Don't steal I'm gonna steal him We're going to We're gonna start Our own podcast Called Le Petit Cochon Le Petit Cochon

Le Petit Cochon Le Petit Cochon I'm gonna become One of the LA gays And we're gonna play That game with our phones On our forehead Heads up

With only best supporting Actress winners Wow that was the most Stressful moment In my entire life Watching You were shady about it No I wasn't shady winners. Wow, that was the most stressful moment of my entire life watching fucking. You were shady about it. No, I wasn't shady,

but I was just like, oh, I'm out of my depth. It's a very different eng, I will say, out there. And I can talk about it because I know none of them support me

and are listening right now. No! I don't think any of them listen to this. I love my friends. I do. I do. I love my friends out there

so much. They are so important to me. They keep me afloat. They keep you grounded. They keep me grounded. The thing is like i know that if i were to move out there that's who i would hang out with of course they're all great there's there's no doubt about that yeah yeah yeah um they're great but i will say like one of the the things that um if you're moving across the country and leaving your closest friends behind one of the things that i think was really hard for me when i was in la was that i tried to replace you guys with them and they're different try to make like i tried to experience the same

things that i did with you guys with them and as soon as i dropped that in my brain and i was like oh no they're like different friends and like it's a different kind of friendship and still good like and still very deep and loving and whatever I was so much happier and healthier because I wasn't trying to be like I need my Bowen you know

and you will be my new Bowen right right right because there is no new Bowen there's only one there's only one Bowen is there only one me?

there's a couple of mats there's a couple of mats in my life I love that that there are several mats basic beach several mats basic beach several mats

it's hard LA is hard this year is listen I'll say it I always feel like the other thing I feel when I do this podcast

is I am coming off the heels of like a huge professional failure in some aspect and it's been a tough year it's been a tough year it's been a funny year talking about failure

is like is important as talking about successes and i said this to you guys via text the other day because people and i get that like my version of a failure quote unquote over the past year is graded on a curve over the course of my career and like if i if you told me six years ago that this is what failure would be your look like it would be insane but like and but you have to understand because like people are watching from social media and i do think that this year for me it's been about half as good as i've made it seem on social media but twice as good as it is in my own mind sure you know and it's just hard you know like i've had uh

it just doesn't feel like i'm going into 2019 with any, like anything new. I feel the exact same way. And I also know that like if I were to actually get over myself for a second and look at myself from the outside in, I'd be like, well, you're just being like a fatalist. And I know you have those tendencies as well. I've never really been like that until this year and now it's like i i think i'm experiencing things that i'm like perceiving as failures for the first time consecutively personally professionally sort of emotionally like in terms of self-confidence right and that's just like i think actually a good experience because it's keys you into the reality of this industry

that we're trying to do and also the reality of being an adult. Yeah. And the reality of life, which is that not everything just happens in either way. It's not as clean. It's not a clean upward trajectory. And that seems so basic to say. We all know that about the industry, but it's hard to experience. You have to be reminded. you're reminded this is my thing is that no matter where you're positioned and like if you do feel

like that if you do feel like in any given moment you are being successful or failing like there's really nothing to do with that you don't there's nothing to do with that information yeah there's no actionable thing that you do with that so like right i think was something that bothers me sometimes and like this is something that actively bothers me is like but i wish i didn't let it is just the money aspect of things yeah like when i feel like friends leave my tax bracket i'm always like oh now i and that's like something that's and maybe people that listen to this can relate to that just like constantly trying to especially in a creative career like earn enough money to like keep up with the joneses in a way.

Because I think with social media, I was talking to Sudi about this today. I was talking about how I have issues with my self-confidence lately in every area of my life. And she's like, it's social media. And I think it's actually really true. Well, and you know, and I spoke about this earlier on a different Forever Dog podcast,

but this is in the year two where I realized for myself that the apps and i still use the apps especially when i am on the road or traveling or whatever but on so i worked at gay cruise famously this year and i had sex with some of the hottest people i've ever had sex with people outside of my tax bracket looks wise you know and outside of his tax bracket looks and and what i realized and i have i have been connected to the my self-worth to the apps and my how i test on the apps and like you can't and in a way that like i realized like on the boat where none of us were on apps because there we were at sea um is that my person it is like i do so much better when i'm face to face with someone and they test better in the room i test better in the room i test better in the

room and it is because like i think people my pictures are like fine but my personality is what carries me over through you know people want to fuck your personality it's weird and i've always been like personality does not matter gay men do not care about personality i think that's so incorrect but there isn't energy no because i i agree like there are certain people in my life who i will get crushes on where i'm like this person is physically repulsive to me this person is disgusting and yet i want to yeah i want them to ruin me my pee in their beat you know like i want it all that's cute honestly i thought i had a crush on someone for such a long time i think it's because my brain convinced me that i had a crush on them also that person is very much

a player in the social media game where like they are putting forward a very specific image i think every single person does that. But what I'm saying is that there is so much to do with like your brain convincing you, I like this person because I feel like I should like them. And then you get to know, especially in the gay community, I think it's like, oh, that attractive single person. I like them. And then you're like, you get to know them and you're like, no, that person is like a friend to me. And nothing about this energy is sexual or romantic.

But your brain has tricked you into thinking, scoot-a-doo. Well, I found that. I came to this a couple of years ago, and I think we've talked about this before. But there is, as an Asian person in the gay community, there is weird undercurrent of like entitlement with guys that are attracted to me like i do feel like there is like sometimes running underneath the surface of my uh interactions with people who are attracted to me where they're like you should be so glad you are indebted to me oh that's crazy and i get it from strangers on apps and i get it from people in my real life where i think they because they are aware of the power dynamics within our

community they think well like what a catch for him i think yeah and i think it's that and i think it's like sometimes i get this weird sense that like guys are like what a hero i am for being attracted to someone of a different and i don't think it's me projecting i don't think it's no i really and it's something i struggle with probably definitely right those guys think that way yeah yeah yeah they're like wow i'm dating an asian cool yeah it's so fucked up but whatever it's tough it's tough uh i i can't even tell you guys where i'm at with in terms of the self-esteem stuff i'm like i don't even i feel like it's i feel like it's showing in a way i think your confidence has been so far up up up up up since even just the summer

really i think it's emanating from you in a different way. Like I'm getting confidence from you in a way that I haven't seen in a long time. Post trip, it helped. Yes. Acid trip. Acid trip. And someone at this table might be experiencing it for the first time later. Okay. There's three people.

I know. No, no, no. We're doing a little upstate garrison trip. We're going upstate. We're going upstate we might uh venture into the woods and I am I was talking about this in therapy

it's not going to be the same as that first time on Fire Island but it will be different and beautiful in it's own way I'm interested in having the experience what do you hope to get out of the trip change my life. No, I don't know.

Mackenzie. Mackenzie. I want to become Mackenzie. I kind of am Mackenzie. No. Yeah. Here's what I want. Here's what I want.

I want to clear my mind so that I'm like, I would like to clear my mind on this trip so that I can just access what I like about myself again. Because I'm telling you, like, every time I, this is really. No, say it. No, no, no. I think it's important to talk about failure.

I felt not attractive. I felt not funny. I've just felt like I'm forcing everything. I also think it's because I you know this is whatever but like this was the year that like my ex-boyfriend from my only relationship I've ever ever had like truly moved on someone sort of broke my heart that I had feelings for um I I felt like I was trying to open myself up and things didn't really happen like professionally i had a big disappointment you know what i mean like i someone i'm directly in like i've always you know it's just not easy you know what i mean but also like they're all growing experiences and

i will say this i feel an intense seasonal depression at the end of the summer like the humidity here and the constant weighing down of like just the weather makes me really sad and now that the weather is a little bit colder and i feel like a little bit of a crisp in the air i literally just my body is like responding in a way that's insane i'd rather yeah i know drenched in sweat i i hear you i hear you but also to be honest with you like i don't necessarily always feel great in like a tank top like i i i really don't like i i i just don't i don't have a great self-image and i think that i'm super self-conscious and aware of myself because of social media sometimes and especially as our social media platform has grown i i really do think this

for me but like this has been a good personal year with the body positivity stuff because it has been something clicked in my brain about really trying to come to where i am and liking what i see and it just is not an everyday thing i'm constantly frustrated still but like it is just so much about like not fine it's like not finding the validation outside i mean it's just so basic again but like i don't know i went to fulsome in san francisco this year and i found that like it again it was a sense of like people just walking around all body types all shapes and sizes and it it just didn't get the sense that anyone was there being like i want everyone to

look at me everyone was there being like this is i, I am, I am loving myself right now. Right, right, right. In a way that's, I just felt really positive. And I think you look great. Well,

the thing is, I mean like, obvious, and here's the thing. It's like, well, thank you for saying that, but it's like,

I just, you are the person that's in your body. Right. And so like the other day I tweeted out like, and I ended up deleting it because somebody didn't like it. And I kind of was like, this is, I don't need to have tweeted this i said i actually kind of like

that my body is turning into pudding and somebody had a problem with somebody tweeted at me and said it's annoying when skinny people say this and i tweeted back i understand where you're coming from i also think it's annoying when people publicly police people's thoughts on their own body. But I think we can agree that it's tough to be happy no matter what. Right? And I said, we'll see if you unfollow me. He didn't. He said, LOL, sure. I just think that you shouldn't understand that there are people out there

who work really hard and for a long time for something that you have happily stumbled into, he said. And I think it's this thing there are a lot but i understand where he's coming from and this is what i mean to say is it's like i am obviously aware of the fact that i'm privileged physically i have always had a good metabolism it's just like i like i'm thin like i just. But like when your body starts to change, you notice it. And so it's just, and also like in the gay community,

when there's a lot of people that are ripped and there's a lot of people, like when I went to LA, I felt invisible. Guys sometimes will like reach out to me and I'm obsessed with the fact that like if they have a better body than me, I absolutely cannot go on a date with them.

Oh. I'm scared. And it's just like- I will only go on dates with people with better bodies than me. Also, invisibility is the Asian narrative. I know, and I'm also aware of that. You know what I mean? I'm aware of the fact that, I don't know, it's crazy for someone like me to complain, but I don't have to get self-confidence.

No, no, no. We're not telling you to stop complaining. That's the thing. Everybody's on their own fucking journey and like is allowed to be in their feelings and ever in whatever way they want i don't think i don't quite understand what that person saying that to you like what they thought they were accomplishing because it's not like you have this huge platform that you are like trying to uh set your journey on the same level as theirs or saying that like you are allowed to feel how you are like i feel bad about my body sometimes too and i look insanely good yes so it is just like i'm and i'm allowed that i'm allowed to feel the way i feel

about it you know when i feel about it i i totally agree and i feel like you know the reason i took it down is because i was like you know i don't need to have tweeted this you know what i feel about it i i totally agree and i feel like you know the reason i took it down is because i was like you know i don't need to have tweeted this you know and i constantly do that too i'm a big proponent of separate your thoughts into what you need to say and what you what you want to say you know what i mean and i didn't need to say that and so whatever i think it's always just a good thing as long as it's as long as you're emotionally sort of bouncing back from a moment like this where you're talking about failures openly you're talking about insecurities openly as long as you're not keeping it in suspension where you're like i shouldn't be reacting this way or should

be reacting this way more extremely where you're literally just like like pulling a tense line on it you're not letting it you're not giving it any slack to just have its own weight whatever i'm speaking very abstractly but like i don't know just like talk about it but also like um feel your own feel your own sort of feet in that moment you know it's like just be present with like how you're feeling it's one tweet too that's the thing it's not like you're one of these people who like relishes and i think there was a real there was a long moment and And I hate to be a fucking nanette about it. But there was a long time in my comedy where I leveraged my lack of esteem about myself as a comedic sort of like wedge. And it did not make me feel good. And like it was also dishonest.

And it was because it's like I always i always looked fine you know and like to leverage like my negativity about my own body and the audience never it's never a worthwhile no punch line it's like the audience never is loving it yeah you did one tweet you know you didn't make it your brand and i think for a long time especially my early years in new york i really did make my uh the way i felt about myself feeling ugly, like a big part of my brand, you know, and that and now I've flipped. And I will say, though, this is this is a different side of the frustration for me is that I appreciate when people are like, oh, you're hot. Like I and I get it. And I I post the thirst traps. I like I I I want that validation because I do work very hard on this part. It's the one my body is chicken milk,

really the only fucking thing I can control in my life right now. And that is like, so I focus a lot on it. I do put chicken breasts in a blender and drink it with two quarts of water. Yes. Wow. It's disgusting, but it works.

And the thing is, is like, but then I do feel this sense of responsibility because like i have made it my mission to be like asian men are hot and like i am hot and like owning that and being at the forefront and changing the narrative around the way we view asian men and gay asian men specifically but now i do feel like i'm moving into territory where i'm like well fuck now i can't talk about um feeling ugly or feeling insecure about no because i feel like i'm moving into territory where i'm like well fuck now i can't talk about um feeling ugly or feeling insecure about no because i feel like i have to be i've always gone the other way

i have to like you know you can't bring a whole other group of people into into that space with you because and this is my thing like half of the like like most of those people don't even know what you're going through like they don't even know they don't even give a shit i don't know right like i whatever okay i will just openly say this i was thinking very deeply when i was screen testing for snl i was like i have to like do asian people proud i have to i'm doing this for this whole group of people and my therapist was like that is crazy because there's no way that you're going to get through this if you're going to saddle yourself with that responsibility responsibility that it's all invented do not bring those people into the room with you as you're writing as you're

preparing as you're auditioning do not do that that will crush you and it's not real and so it is but it's such a fine line though isn't it because like representation matters like we're constantly saying that and so i do feel like this pressure to be you know to be i have to be careful about like the way i present myself now if i want to continue to be you know but i don't want i i agree like i don't want to bring those people into the room sure you know because i want to feel bad and i like sometimes want to be in my feelings about and i want to tweet shit like I literally have been to my dermatologist in New York twice this week, and I've been diagnosed with rosacea. And that is a hard pill for me to swallow as someone who's always struggled with my skin. And that is like, that's something I can't control. And it's like, I want to talk about that. I want to be like, I feel like shit. And then I have this like little

voice now in the back of my brain where it's like, no, you've created this character for yourself online through social media. That is like an unwavering source of confidence within this, the toxic, the toxicity of the gay community. And so you have to be. Bitch tweet about your rosacea. Do it. You have to.

Bitch tweet about your rosacea. Rule of cult. So it is, it's just like weird. And we are in this weird place with representation where I feel like we are getting to the point

where like there's you and there's me and there's a lot of other gay Asian men that are like coming up and other gay people I think gay men in general

are like sort of like stepping forward and being there and so like there's plenty of us it's no longer we're no longer in a place where there's just like one

and we're like pulling up the ladder after us after someone else's success but it does feel like we're still in a place where like people are going to like look at every little move we make and try and extrapolate and pathologize our community for that like every time i say something i hate it when people are like oh gay gay guys be like this you know in response to something and it's like no that's just me like i can i want to be seen as an individual yes and it's just it's frustrating yes i mean i feel like it's only gonna get worse for us by the way i know i know and i'm thinking right like we like i don't know

maybe i'm thinking the three of us will listen back to this episode like two years from now and be like oh my goodness lol at us being like at this snapshot in time where it's like who knows like what where we'll be at in like two years you know like i just that's the the nice thing and the terrible thing about our little racket is that like we don't know what things will look like short term long term is what i meant but like i don't know it's like don't saddle yourself with that though you ask the question like what are you trying to get out of like this trip upstate or whatever or like whatever it is that they're trying to be happy at like I guess I'm just trying to do any little thing to open myself up to just like really being excited about myself again you know what I mean

because there was there was so much time in my 20s where i was like so excited about myself and i was a big fan of myself you know what i mean and i think that now it's just like it's just another phase and i really think you know say what you want about like astrology thing but like the return to saturn like people would talk about it and they'd warn me about it like oh 28 is gonna come and like you going to it was crazy because the moment like that the corner turned on my 28th year it was like oh there they go there go the good times and it was just like there's just been this like nine or ten month block where i open my eyes and i'm like fuck like i don't know if i'd call myself depressed but i would call myself like baseline unhappier than i have been in a long time and it's just

like so yeah i mean i i i'm not trying to buy into the whole like oh do this hallucinogenic and it changes your life but it seems to have a positive effect on a lot of people i care about so i'm willing to try it. I will say it was... You loved it. I loved it because it was like an amusement park in my brain. I said that doing acid was the same experience of watching Mother. Yes, but fun. You ripped someone's heart out?

Yeah, I love Mother, P.S., but the latter half of mother where she's like walking through the house and it's like all chaotic. And that seems like very negative, but like in a very positive, in a fun way, like where every corner you turn, there was like another adventure to have, but I didn't mentally have anything.

I will, I, I will say this. I, and Henry, if you're listening, I fucking love you. But there would be moments where Henry,

or I'd be like, I just feel like i'm outside of time right now and then henry would whisper he'd be like that's because time isn't real and i'd be like no no i will not fall for i was like he's not another planet do not try i know i know i know um yeah i think i'm too far gone henry there you go um i the one thing I'll say about acid is when I would go into the house alone and it did feel like crazy and it did feel like mother, I haven't seen it, but the nice thing was going to the bathroom

and looking at myself in the mirror and thinking, oh, cool, I'm happy with this. That was the big takeaway was that I felt good about myself and walking walking down the boardwalks on in the pines is always a harrowing experience for your self-confidence because

you're seeing like chiseled guy after chiseled guy didn't even go didn't even go this year because I couldn't handle it sure and it's and and I understand that but but while I was tripping did not give a shit about anyone else it was just about our unit walking down to the dock to watch the sunset walking back

together and that was enough tuning out everyone else because they didn't matter because because who cares i don't know these people and so and and that was sort of a nice that was my little nice mental um relief so anyway wow i love that we had this convo spiritual hon i think it's important to talk god i'm sitting here and i'm just like... I can't imagine it was very funny, but... No. You know what? I don't always need to be funny. Yeah.

Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you if you didn't... Fuck you. You got two other full episodes of Joel. Fuck you for coming here. Also, we were very funny talking about A Star is Born. We were very funny talking about Venom.

There you go. But we are three-dimensional. Sometimes even four-dimensional people. Sometimes even four-dimensional sometimes even four dimension fourth dimension is time and if you like us you have to like all of us oh mackenzas is bad mackenzas god i think it's time i think it's time right i don't think well i actually forgot until literally they hit the record button then i had to do this and so i'm i have to give myself a little time to think that's okay man i will go first just want to say one thing though um i don't think so honey live is coming on november 30th to the bell house and also

december 5th to the regent in los angeles i'm very excited about that i may or may not have joel as a ghost we're gonna find out it's about i think it's pretty much well i'm very much i'm gonna send an email after this podcast after we're done here i want it to be you because literally who else would it be and i mean there's you know what there's plenty of people i could reach out to actually actually i would have i would i'm thinking now and there's okay okay it's gonna be me um but also um november 26th uh we're doing a queers live at joe's pub which is the last culture recess hosts an event which is not a direct recreation of, but inspired by Divas Live. So those are some live shows that

are coming up, you guys. Hope to see you there. Love that. Okay, Matt Rogers, do you have an I Don't Think So Honey? I do have an I Don't Think So Honey. Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey people who ask me to help you with your Halloween costume.

Fuck you! Why are you putting emotional labor on me? It's just like, oh my god. Now you're going to make me try to come up with a clever thing for you. It's like pop quiz. It's like emotional and intellectual work because Halloween costumes in this day

and age, you have to be so many things. Hot, funny, subversive or else you're basic like a halloween costume is a lot and bitch i haven't figured out my own 30 seconds so why do i have to like now invest energy and time into your costume and it's everyone does this what should i be for halloween and you don't even give me a direction that you want to go in whoa it's like you guys it's like how are you feeling like do you want? Like, do you want to be comfortable? 15 seconds. Do you want to be hot? Like, how are you feeling right now about the way to present yourself?

Wow. And honestly, this is really about me not knowing what I want to be for Halloween. It's like, I haven't even thought about it. It's like, give me time to think about me. Then let me think about you, bitch. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Wow.

What a gorgeously felt. I'm sorry, Nico. You've asked me several times what I think you should be for Halloween. He asked me too. He's been sending me texts about this as well. That's the most Nico thing I've ever heard. Just kidding. Love you, Nico.

No, he's the best. It's just like, I, I, I. Nico, I don't know what I'm going to be for Halloween. Yeah. Go. No, I'm just. And he sent me a picture of what I thought was a good costume. And then he said that you said he absolutely could not be it. Wait, what i thought was a good costume and then he said that

you said he absolutely could not be i thought that was a good costume i thought it was funny that's what i'm saying it's like it was like a house it's like a creepy house i don't fucking know it was like some sort of house he's like sometimes too smart for me i'm like the references that he pulls out i'm just like he's extremely intellectual person and it's just like and he's like but also i'll be shirtless and i was like i don't get this i can't see this and i was just like and here's the thing which you just did which is then i give my idea and people say no that's horrible and it's like well bitch i thought it was good and also you asked me i'm not the right person i hate halloween i famously hate halloween i barely ever come up with a costume i was like a slutty minion for like

five years running i love slutty minion slutty minion for like five years running. I love slutty minion. Slutty minion was good. See, the thing is I always think of something great like the day of, but I'm not ready to think about it. We had a good one last year. I'm going as Leather Jughead this year. Oh, that's cute.

Last year, me and Bowen were Celeste and Eyepatch Renata from Big Ol' Eyes. Oh, that was good. That was good. That was good. And I had my like long sleeve shirt And I was just like really I had a secret all night Yeah but my thing is yeah once every It's only once every three four years that I come up with

Something solid and the rest I have nothing this year and I don't even know what I'm doing I might be a slut this year Cool What does that look like to you? A sailor That's a direction that's a start i know but also then i'm just like now am i basic but yeah it is basic who cares fucking who cares i

don't know i'm gonna come up with a good costume i just like you guys i i and also i think this will come out on november 7th so it'll halloween will already have come and gone so i guess you can go to my instagram or whatever I'll have trotted myself around and tell me if it was a good costume or not. Great. Love that. Anyway. Okay. And I had a lot of I don't think so honeys that I could have done tonight. One of which is the picture

that Bowen posted of himself smoking a cigarette. Okay. Shot by Alex Schaefer. It was directly inspired from this anime screenshot of this guy post-coitus, pink bed sheets, smoking a cigarette. I was like, I am going to recreate that. So, blame that.

Okay, my turn? Yeah. This is Bowen. He's I Don't Think So Honey and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey Scorpio shaming. Scorpio shaming is hack. Scorpio season's coming up. Guess who's a Scorpio? Yeah, me. Guess who doesn't believe in fucking astrology? Me, bitch.

Okay, read a Carl Sagan book because the alignment of stars hundreds of light years away and the relative positioning to the sun and moon has no bearing on your personality traits or that your 28th year is a hard one, okay? Sometimes it so happens that we have hard years

and Matt, I'm sorry that it coincided with this pseudoscience that's being pushed on my poor unsuspecting friends who didn't have a science education, who only succeeded in writing in humanities on the SAT. I am here to tell

all of you to free everyone of the shackles of astrology. It's bullshit. It's pseudos astrology. It's bullshit. It's pseudoscience. It's harmful. It comes from the same place as people touting, you know, it's astrology. It's Donald Trump saying fake news at CNN. It's the same thing.

It's false information being peddled for personal gain. And that's one minute. I said that it's a bizarre thing to say, but it was just a coincidence and funny that at 28 the return to saturn quote-unquote happened i didn't even get i i mostly just shot on astrology but people who scorpio shame who are like i when i when i tell everyone i'm a scorpio when they ask me what my sign is because i will never voluntarily offer that information they go oh and I'm just like please spare me of this fucking shock that you have misplaced you should

I found myself asking someone what their sign was recently and I wanted to fucking run into the wall as hard as I could I was like I'm so sorry I have to end it right now I'm a double Pisces and the best sex I've ever had has been with Scorpios there you go I mean but also Scorpios and Pisces is a good thing that's why I mean

but also that's not real we'd break the internet if we released that OnlyFans oh my god the lost culturistas porn r slash I sketched them while they fuck yes the Gaysian subreddit would go wild

it would be a It would be a recreation of the scene From Memoirs of a Gay Show Where she sticks her fingers in the trainee's butt Or vagina to see if she's wet And I would be that character And I would stick it And he would be stuck in his bush

And he'd be the wettest And I'd be like And we will not pixelate our genitalia no we'll not pixelate no full view i'm going to fucking tokyo this year yes and i am so excited for new year's right for new year's and i am so excited to be in a place i've never been asia yeah and so i've never uh i've never experienced what it's like to be white and I cannot wait I cannot wait to sit in like the middle of an intersection and

as a majority member yeah and you will be their king just go to the eagle they will flock to you okay we'll have to talk off cam about this because I'm we are of course on camera as we're filming an only fan see us on twitch I've never I've ever done gay nightlife in Asia anywhere

because I'm with my family and they would be like, what the fuck? But I'm sure you would do very well. So I thought of the one that's going to be, the front runners though, just so everyone is aware, was one was going to be I Don't Think So Honey, people who are late to their own podcast. And then the other one was going to be i don't

think so honey an actual comedian who told us that or told me that um i the that real comedians don't post shirtless pics of themselves on their own who the fuck which is an outrageous thing to say of course it was a straight comic and it's like i'm sorry i'm not gonna name names why lisa trager was here she named names that's fair he'll never hear it was the Sam Morrill comment and it was actually he said it to Matteo he didn't say it to me but it was a

general comment about gay men and our Instagram presences and our comedians and it's like listen here's the thing I love Sam he's one of the best joke

writers in the industry right now and but the fact is is uh I'm sorry but gay men and straight women do not get laid for our fucking talent in the comedy industry so

I'm sorry I have to work for the fucking dick that i pull bingo point okay um so but now i'm gonna do the real i don't think so okay this is joel kim booster because i don't think so honey time starts now i don't think so honey blue planet 2 featuring all these fucking birds on the episode that i watched in my hotel room the other night i am tuning into blue planet to see creatures from the sea honey i want to see creatures that are living in the depths of the ocean i want to see a fish that can scream okay i want to see all these creatures that science is just now discovering because it's in the most unexplored part of our planet and you're telling me

that I'm tuning in and I am seeing on Blue Planet all these fucking birds that are flying around because they live on an island that is adjacent

to the sea and are sometimes eaten by fish. That is not an interesting storyline for me. I can go outside in New York City and look out the window

if I want to see a fucking bird like a pigeon that is clearly the product of incest. No, sweet. window if I want to see a fucking bird, like a pigeon that is clearly the product of incest. No, sweetie, I do not want to see birds on Blue Planet 2. That is like a can-do watching a movie about the Great Wall of China

starring Matt Damon. Okay! Very good. I will make a definitive statement right now. Joel Kim Booster, the single best, I don't think so, honey. Hands down,

best, best track record, best, best, best stats. You feel this way? I feel this way. I do.

Joel is the best. Think about, think about what he's brought. I think, I think he's excellent. I think he's, he's been the most consistent. He will give you the full give you the full range of stuff

it can be personal, it can be professional it can be about some random ass thing like Blue Planet 2 he also does do it at the desired cadence yes, with setups with punchlines everything you could ever want in an I Don't Think So Honey and at the speed at which we

model it I will say my new biggest pet peeve with I Don't Think So Honey is, previously, of course, it was not doing culture. My new one is I do think there is something intrinsic, like there is something so important about the repetition of honey.

Honey. The honeys. Or the equivalents. The sweeties. Sweetie, darling. Or darlings. Sometimes when people don't even say the honey in the equivalents. The sweeties. Sweetie, darling. Darlings. It is. Miss Contessa. Sometimes when people don't even say the honey in the first line. I know. When I say, I don't think so this.

I'm always like, you don't really get it. You don't get it. You have misunderstood the assignment. I will say this. Max Silvestri marched his straight ass in here a couple weeks ago and fucking nailed it. It was a really great one. Nailed. I'll say this.

And Max, I'm going to see you on Sunday and I'll tell this to your fucking face oh cute face it's a cute face i i don't think they should be written down i don't think they should be pre-written i don't think you should be reading from a script sweetie you know that's that's interesting because we've never done that never once you're you're okay to write them. Sometimes at the expense of the I don't think so, honey, I will say you can't have written it. You can't have written it or, yeah, just it

removes, well actually no, reading it off a phone or off a piece of paper removes polish. I almost don't think it should even be rehearsed. I think it should come from the gut and the heart and the mind and the body and the mind and the body and the soul and the spirit and the whimsy. Hair, body, face. And the hair and the body and the face.

I want everyone to read my interview with Alyssa Edwards. Yes, it's very good. Matt calls her out on other queens saying that she's a diva. Now hold on one second. Am I a diva? 100%. But do I show up at the gig and deliver Alyssa Edwards every single time? Yes, I do.

Now, as to someone who will call me unprofessional. I'm not a dark-sided diva. I am not a dark-sided diva. Am I a diva? Yes, I'm not a dark-sided diva. And I don't think I have a rider like the rest of these girls. I don't need fruits, grapes, or fruits. She says, she says, candies.

I don't need a million back-up essentials or grapes or fruits in my dressing room honey i don't have these demands wait can i say really quickly i didn't know that i my reps had created a writer for me whoa did not ask me before my input i went i did this so honey i did this college recently and i walked into this like classroom that they had made into a makeshift green room for me and there were two just freestanding mirrors in there. And I was like, oh, that's cool. And like a fruit plate. And I was like, okay, I'll eat this. And then after the show, I saw these two boys pick up the mirrors

and they had to walk them across campus. And I was like, wait, what's going on? I was like, why did you bring these in here? And they were like, well, it says in your rider that you need two mirrors. And I was like, what? What a monster. Mr. Spaza. They have created a monster. Mr. Sparza.

They have created a monster. Like, I need two mirrors. I need to see myself from both angles. Oh, my God. We have to tell Joe that we need four mirrors. Four mirrors. Joel, you might have to just own it. And this is a moment where you have to become Ally with red hair.

With red hair. Why did you do that to me? Wow. I think this episode. Transformative and complete and full red hair. With red hair. Why did you do that to me? Wow. I think this episode. Transformative and complete and full, honey. It had everything. And we had some real shit. We got real.

I love that. I hope people liked it. I demand they do. I think that they did. And we got one of the best item things. And yes, come for me. Don't fucking. No, actually, no.

Don't at me for declaratively saying that Joel Kim Booster is the I'm including myself in this I mean I don't think we're the best we're not the best clearly but Joel is a preeminent mind a preeminent I don't think so at my full capability I think when you take everyone into account

I think I could score 93 out of 100 I don't think so honey test i did not do well uh at the divas though i'm not a music person and i think that was a weird famously begged i famously but i love the show but because it was so bad you were not the only you were not the only one um and i think that's i think that was the right call that one's for us it was a bizarre we give you everything that one's for us you should have come to montreal did i fully jump into the splits yes did i injure my knee does it still pain me to this day is it recorded yes it is a eureka it's on my instagram yeah it's truly a

doctor i have i have well i'm seeing a physical therapist right now okay you're fucking a physical therapist i'm seeing a physical therapist named Amanda, who is a bisexual woman from Ohio. I love her. She's powerful. Dynamic and powerful. I just wanted to say my other I don't think so, honey, was going to be I don't think so, honey, dumping me.

I'll save that for another time. I actually have a series of I don't think so, honey's I'm really excited about, including I don't think so, honey, when people say on the phone, hey, it's me. State your name, honey. We don't need to do that anymore. We don't think so, honey, when people say on the phone, hey, it's me. State your name, honey! We don't need to do that anymore. We don't. No, we really don't.

We really don't. Hey, and then you just, and you're off to the races. Well, this is about to clock in as the longest, I don't think, I'm, oh, God, last culture races ever, so. Every time I come, it's gotten a little bit longer. I always plan for it, too. I say, next time, we're going two hours. We did block out two

hours for this truly why don't we do that today uh please uh check out joyful club look at the thing november 9th uh at the bell house is it 10 p.m 9 p.m 10 p.m um patty harrison karen chi ronnie chang maybe bowen yang if the show goes well that week. Oh, that's why you're not booked. Yeah, he's booked. But you might just see a video of him. It might have to be me. It might have to be. Kiko Suare.

Suare. Kiko. Lots of fun games, too. We've got a longer slot than we did in San Francisco. So if you saw it in San Francisco, it's a different show. It's November 7th? No, 9th. 9th.

Because I have a show on November 7th. Ooh. Straight Pageant. Oh, fun. Game Show Presents Straight Pageant. Love that. 9th because I have a show on November 7th straight pageant game show presents straight pageant watches multiple straight men compete for the title of queen of the straights well Joel we love you

one of the best the best okay let's end in a song I can't stop thinking about what you do to me. You keep keeping me from what I'm supposed to be. To me. What did you do to me?

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