Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Woke Up and Chose Violet" (w/ Betty Who)

Episode Date: March 30, 2022

The best thing you can do is not ignore, but rather, LISTEN TO this episode of Las Culturistas because, bitch, BETTY WHO is the guest. One of Matt & Bowen's favorite artists joins them in person in LA to discuss naming wigs and hair as expression, hanging in there in the music industry through ups and downs, touring, the importance of rehearsal, and the question of WWBD (Beyonce...and Britney!) Also! Britney as formative culture, always getting the moms in the crowd on her side with Betty's cover of "I Love You Always Forever", playing every Pride in America, and queering up the lives of the straight men you know. All this, cannibalism fever, how TikTok is running the music industry, performing on The Bachelorette and how sometimes a Glee Cast Version can go all the way off. It's fucking Betty Who everybody! We woke up and chose violet for this one... STREAM THIS WOMAN.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, Matt. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. And it's a moment in time. I must say and inform everybody that this is one of those guests. I'm just going to get right into it. Get right into it because we don't have a minute to spare. We don't have a minute to spare in the words of Brooke Ashley.

This is just one of those guests that we've been meaning to have on for a long time that let me start off and say that yeah it's also that thing of wow the podcast has now like allowed us to meet someone that i love so much and i'm not even kidding you i said to bow and i was like so many to not to be lady gaga about it but sense memory in terms of, I remember places I've been when the music was playing. I remember one time I touched down in Los Angeles while Somebody Loves You was ending. And I was like, I'm ready to like be here. It was like the first time I came to LA

and I was like listening to like my comfort music, our guest. And I was like, yes, it just kicked off the trip good. I'm just, little things like that are all over. I have that. I have that for sure. like that are all over. I have that. I have that for sure. It was walking down Atlantic Avenue, old apartment, 25 years old, just about. Yes.

High society. Okay. And I was like, yeah. And this is the thing. And I remember it was like a cold day, but it's like, no, I'm feeling great. No, and this is the thing. The catalog is rich. It is a rich catalog.

For me, it's like, where's the greatest hits? Where's the greatest hits? It's warranted. It's warranted already. Volume one. I'm telling you, I think Ignore Me is my favorite song of all time. We have wasted no time. The standing is like...

We're a fount right now. We're truly a fount. I don't think it's been like this ever on the pod no we've immediately been like let's just there's no like banter no because i don't think anything else matters what do you remember like i think it was like two or three years ago yeah i think i saw our guest perform like i went to wherever they were doing a pride event well that's where i'm going right right right this is new. This is New York? This is New York, baby. And I remember an iconic long blonde

wig that was happening, and I know you remember it. And that was the same show. I saw Normani at that show. You remember the one. Wow. Oh my god. She's being very respectful. Listen, and here's the thing. I don't want that. I don't want that. I want this guest to come

over here and stomp on my neck and spit in my mouth okay we're just gonna get get into it because the guest is a is an incredible incredible musician that we love so much and i mean like just like it's just it's just fruitless to even say everything that like has been created by this person. This is someone very, very, very meaningful to us, to the community. Say that. Let's just get into it. Everyone, welcome.

Betty Ho! It is a happy day indeed. I'm vibrating. I'm so excited to be here. The energy when you walked in. Yeah, there's a lot of energy. No, it's not even a lot. It's just it was the right

sort of flavor of it. I give good hugs. I also think that's my calling card because she's a large lady, you know, so it's like rest your head on my bosom and I have got to strengthen my arms. I felt wrapped in love. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Wait, talk about... There's a denseness to it. Yeah. Can you guys connect over

this this this show normani was there oh yes it was an hbo pride show yes yes and it was so fun and i'm i'm forgetting who else was there it was you normani and leland the doll and i remember you came out in this long blonde wig i had never seen you in hair like this i love hair and really it was it was giving you a new vibe that's my that's that wig is called britney britney that's her name she's a bangsy um sort of little situation she's long she's past the breasts because normally i haven't i have an angular uh face so i lose myself in too much hair i have to be strategic i've learned the hard way okay that there are wigs that do and don't work for me right so a bang is great a bang frames my face uh-huh well and so a lot of my wigs that do and don't work for me right so a bang is great a bang frames my face uh-huh well

and so a lot of my wigs are bangs mcgee and they're either like a short bobby sit you have a lot of fun colored yes yes yes bobbed fringy wigs but then britney is a really powerful one and she's she's a long and i she was in the share video i was in a share video and britney made a kit britney was my hair in the Cher video oh my god Britney I feel like now here's a question are there different versions of Britney or is there one

Britney that gets maintained no that's the one Britney that's like her and each of them have names do you know what I mean so that's that's Britney

who else is in that club I have Charlize which is the which is Britney but she's shoulder length it's very um atomic blonde we love that

cosplay yes yes yes so she's Charlize oh my god um I have it's unoriginal but I have blue ivy and pinky and that's my blue wig and my yes yes yes oh my god I have it's unoriginal but I have Blue Ivy and Pinky

and that's my blue wig and my pink wig sure sure sure I have I have a Mary Jo and it's a bang ponytail set so Mary is the bang

and Joe is the pony yes yeah Mary Jo is a great one oh my god the artistry even in the naming of the conventions

of the wig yeah I mean I mean this is listen this is the right podcast for this conversation. Absolutely. I know that I'm reading the room really well for this conversation about wigs. But hair has been very cathartic and spiritual for me as a lady who has had short hair my entire adult life. Right, right, right. So that has, I am perceived a certain way often so hair is like when i was in a tougher spot in my life especially in regard like in my relationship to my career

hair would be what i would i was like i don't really feel like going on stage i don't feel like being myself right and a wig comes on and i'm like who is she and then all of a sudden i'm on stage and like i don't i think now i have a different perspective on it I'm like, who is she? And then all of a sudden I'm on stage and like, I don't, I think now I have a different perspective on it. And I think I'm really trying to like ground down into myself and not escape myself. And so I've actually, the wigs are like in their bags in the closet.

They haven't been out in a while. The wigs are, the wigs are for playtime. Yes. But I consider myself a professional performer now. And like wigs, I've gone out of a phase where now I'm like, I want to be me. And I was so afraid of that for so long.

And the wigs were healing for me because I was like, this makes this fun again. And I need that. That's really, really interesting because I think all the time about how like your parameters change when your hair changes, whatever. But this is something. Yeah, you're going, you're having you're going you're on a hair journey you feel you literally feel like a different person and like but even like you know like you talk your actors talk about like oh like natalie portman shaving her head for v for vendetta it's like that like she like moved to the world differently you know like that kind of thing and so this is a beautiful full circle thing for you i get called

sir every day of my life everywhere i go which i love yeah energy for daddy but there is a part of me also that's like excuse me i can also it's a large part of my i'm such a fucking libra so it's a big part of my life currently also is this like finding the balance between my mask daddy energy yes and my like need to feel there's like i have this other weird sort of like Marilyn in me that needs to be like busty and a cabaret star, you know? And it's like,

how can those two things exist? I mean, how do I like want to be Britney Spears and also I'm a lesbian singer songwriter. Like there are all of these dichotomies within me that I'm managing. And that is like, it's cellist and pop star,

you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Gosh, it's research. We talked about you know like yeah yeah yeah right she's researching we talked about this we also DM'd about this we also DM'd about this this is what we DM'd this is our first moment

of connection and I told you this in the elevator was that like Betty and I connected I think I got through to you I think meaningfully for the first time

when I told you I was on a plane going from like Sydney to Brisbane or something when I was visiting like five years ago with family. And I was, you know,

it's that thing where you put on your headphones, you're on a plane, you fall asleep, but you're keeping the music on, right? Yes. And in and out you drift and you hear something and it kind of like pierces through like a very core layer of your subconscious. But I woke up at one point,

drifted into consciousness when Blue Heaven Midnight Crush played. Which, by the way, is one of my, like, that is my dyke-iest song. That is my lesbian anthem. It's one of my favorite. And I love that it spoke to you. And it's so funny. And you gasped when I said it.

I gasped when he said it because I feel like that song does not get the credit. Because Blue Heaven Midnight Crush, it's just such a, they say it all the time, but vibe. And I mean, it really, and this is what I was saying to Bowen, is I was like, I think you have such an evocative voice and you really make, like, you give that feeling of whatever it is you're singing about to the listener.

The theater kid in me is very committed to, like, I'm not trying to sound cool, I'm telling you a story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're taking us there. It's a party drug thing where it's like, I'm soaring. Oh, Betty.

And I mean, it's like, you know, one of my favorite songs is Wannabe. And just like- By the way, and you said Ignore Me too, which is on my independent record, which I'm actually seeing money from streams

on my third record. So stream it, promote it, sister. Oh, absolutely. On Betty or on- On Betty. My third record is which I'm actually seeing money from streams on my third record. So stream it, promote it, sister. Oh, absolutely. On Betty or on Betty? My third record is in D. Yes, yes. So she is like, I pay my rent with my actual music now, which has never happened to me until my new, it's like, you know, a year and a half later.

And now I'm like, I got a royalty check for the first. I was like, oh my God, $90 for me? I have to say say it's very exciting ignore me is on so frequently in my home that i may be responsible for like a week and a half of your of your rent i'll take it thank you and honestly like when i when i first 9.9 cents every single time you stream it when i first was getting to know brett leland yes and um i found out that he wrote that I literally like I was like that's just one of

my favorite songs and also we have to talk about the music video which is one shot and one of the best I love that video when I saw it

I was like why isn't everyone talking about this I was like that video is unbelievable I would love to know your thoughts on this

because last culture Easter you have something to say about it maybe I have a lot of interesting experiences because of my specific demo right

so for the longest time my demo was exclusively 25 to 32 year old gay white men 100% period that was like the show, Boys Town Chicago that was it, that's the vibe the ladies start to trickle in I start to see

us diversify and I've met I love I love a bit on stage I love to get to get the boys going one of my favorite bits is like waiting for

I'm like ladies I see you finally joined us me and the homosexuals have been waiting for you for literally eight years so welcome we've known please thank you

and I feel like because of that some interesting like my socials like aren't really popping because i have like adult fans who like right come to shows because they have independent money like you know they are independent adult people so i make money on tour like interactive experiences yeah my fans will show out and up 10 times over but the internet doesn't really reflect it like my youtube isn't popping because like i just think i don't think of like 30 year old gay men as like the youtube demographic necessarily that's like that's like a youth thing for the

most part like it's interesting like people don't watch my music videos this was the long the like long-winded version of but which is so which is like you would never say that that would never be a phenomenon or a thing that would occur uh for an artist let's say like 15 years ago like there would be like like the um the the engagement from the listenership would reflect in the viewership of the video you know and it's such i've just had such an interesting i think i think maybe everybody feels way. I think I've had quite a singular experience while also sharing all of the like classic, like every artist can connect over like label drama or whatever. There's like all of the fundamental things that I share with every person in music. But I've also had this very weird, like, it's been super culty, but then, you know, it's just, it's kind of like, I've been very blessed that I have been able to maintain my, my music lawyer, my entertainment lawyer said to my parents when I first signed to Sony,

I dropped out of Berkeley. I was six months from grad or six weeks from graduation. And I dropped out to go sign a record deal and like live in New York. And my parents were like, please don't do that. Like six weeks, you stupid baby. And I was like,

no, I can't. And so I was like, thought my whole world, I just like, I'd had this viral video, you know baby. And I was like, no, I can't. And so I was like, thought my whole world. I just like, I'd had this viral video. You know, you think there's nowhere to go,

but up and you think you're so ready for it at 21. I was like, bring it on, bitch. I am. I've been waiting for this moment, my whole fucking life. And like,

there's so many things I biff. Like, it's interesting how you just, you grow. And now I'm like, well, you think that you're ready. And now I'm like,

I actually think I'm really ready now. yes yeah and my entertainment lawyer said to my parents when all of this was going on and i was like you know coming out of my first of 17 000 cocoons my entertainment lawyer said to my parents it is not about if it's about when yeah because and he said he was like because i believe she's Like that's, if she had no talent and she, you were, daddy was bankrolling something and it's like, there may, it might not be, it might be an if. Right. He was like, it is just about if you can afford to stay in it when things aren't going well. Yeah. Because things will not go well finally at some point.

And if you can survive to come back the other side of it like it's just about that yeah which is so it's so sad and it's been 10 years you know it's like and i think now in this point of my life i'm just coming out into this like big next phase of like i've arrived i think i've always been 30 in my spirit and i just turned 30 and now i'm like feeling really good i'm feeling centered i'm feeling zen i'm feeling powerful uh-huh the music is great the music is great and it's always been great i think it's the best music i've ever done which i always you're most excited about this new stuff that's amazing i mean like when we said at the top like the catalog i mean like you're being really nice you know what it is about songs like high society 2 and really all your music is it's so,

it's so, I see music videos in my mind to it. You know what I mean? It's so visual. It's so colorful. That's what I'm always, I'm always trying to. Yeah. And your visuals are great. Thank you.

We call that furniture in songwriting. Yeah, sure. Furniture here and there. Yeah. It just matches. You know what I'm saying? When the aesthetic matches what sonically is happening, ignore me should be what it is.

It's like that all white moment and just the way the sets move in. By the way, your dancers are amazing. They're incredible. The choreo is always so impeccable. Cassandra Ellsworth, shout out. My amazing choreographer who has been, I met him, I was opening for Katy Perry.

It was me and my band. I didn't have dancers, but I knew that that was where I wanted to be. Because I grew up... This is like... Come on, come on. Give us the lydians. I'm so excited to have this conversation with you. So I grew up in the heyday, as we all did. I'm a 91

baby. I think we're 90. So we have a similar sense memory of our youth. Absolutely. I grew up in Australia, so there's like a lot more Kylie maybe than there was. But otherwise... But Kylie breaks through. We know she breaks through. Not enough, but she does it.

But so there are some weird benchmarks that I've missed. But Britney Spears. Yeah. Is this the culture? It was gonna be. Maybe this is... No, it's fine. Let's get into it. Do you want to prompt me with a question? What is the culture that made you say culture is for you?

Britney Spears. There we go. Thank you. And we're off. The HBO Max, but now it's HBO. Sorry, HBO Max. Oh my God, it's 2022. The HBO special live in Las Vegas, 2001 from the MGM Grand.

Oh yeah. That performance, that era. Britney's 22. Shouldn't be as fabulous as she is for the like especially now with everything we know all of the context for the whole story like i'm seeing footage from that and i'm just like it's so it is so much more deep and painful and sad now really it's you you're able to still enjoy it but there is that darkness that you know existed and it's it's you're like rueful about it yeah and you're like oh like and just the you know whatever it complicates it but you still enjoy it hashtag free we're all on the same page but so that i grew up in the era of

beyonce and britney spears i have a wwbd tattoo which is what would beyonce do but it also for me is what would britney do and then also my stage name is betty and i think that subconsciously me being like wedged in between like two of the iconic performers and entertainers of a generation and of my life yeah was probably a subconscious choice at 18 years old but like that was what i saw that was pop star that was like giving it all that was rehearsal that was we want to be perfect we want to give you something that other people cannot do yes and i like have this very strange experience going between the part of me that is like songwriter. Because I'm like sort of a Missy Higgins, Sarah Bareilles songwriter. That is my like what I grew up listening to John Mayer.

I want to sit on this whole new record that I'm writing. I sat at my piano or my guitar and I wrote all the songs and then I have taken them to go produce. Wow. The Mariah Carey way. Yeah, I'm such a like it is so much more hot forward which is what i really wanted it to be um but then i like i don't want i you know we talked about me playing cello it's like i never wanted to be the girl who sat and like who's the girl who played the cello because like i was like no i want to be britney like yeah yeah but then

i'm having this experience actually quarantine gave me a lot of time to think about this because i've been such a road bitch i've been like out there you've been working because i have a my fear is that if i'm not spending every waking fucking moment of my life working towards my dream doing something active that i can do everybody else is going to sit the label isn't going to call me I can't get this person to fucking make my music, whatever it is. The only thing that I can do is make an effort to push myself further and forward. And so that was tour for me.

Cause I was like having this experience all the time where I was on stage and I was like, this is work. So you can't, you cannot tell me that I'm not doing something that is impactful. Yeah. Like we have a, it's a community.

It's incredible. It's such an incredible experience i think on on both sides hopefully that's what i want and i want to create a space that's like that was a fucking show yeah i mean you put on rehearsals you know an amazing show and i'm like it's not and nobody else could get up and do this that's the whole point i'm supposed to be something special and that is that britney influence because because you're i so remember a time when it would be like all the like drivens and like the behind the music's like it would be really focused on

them in the rehearsal room like even like you remember i think it was like the life is but a dream documentary where it was a lot it was around the era of four actually i remember there's beyonce did this special and it's just her hyper focusing on like the performance even with homecoming yourself to the obviously yes you got her like rehearsing in the black and white and like the, that is hours of rehearsal. That is like, that is not, you know,

and there's, it's me trying to always manage how can I be both? And something I've really, I spent a lot of time. I got super obsessed with black pink during quarantine. Yeah. You're saying I've loved K-pop always. I've always been big into the culture.

I same rehearsal. I love rehearsal. Yeah. I love loved K-pop always. I've always been big into the culture. Same, rehearsal. I love rehearsal. I love when people are like, no, it took us weeks. And I'm like, thank you for the effort. Yes. Doja Cat is the pop star

that we have been waiting for and that we deserve. We have been saying, like that performance that she did, I believe it was at the VMAs and the Grammys. Are you talking about

the Evanescence style of Say So? Because that is fucking range. That was insane my favorite thing that she's done is oh i'm rock the heart inspired chicago unbelievable number because also what do you do when you have the biggest song in the world you keep playing it exactly the same way no no you you wear wigs you give something different i'm completely obsessed and i think there's this like emergence of that level

of talent that i've been wanting to see i love to feel like i'm not good enough i hear that and nothing sucks more than than looking around and being like i'm pretty sure i'm i could do that yeah i think i could do that sure yeah not even better it's like i'm pretty sure i could do that and you know i think i think that like it there is it should be like that you know what i mean like we should be watching entertainers and those should be the entertainers that are really popping off because it is something supernatural like you were saying about britney i mean she was super she has a she had a god-given gift yeah and whatever that thing was whether it was her because it's like i don't think that this is like i'm not saying that i'm a bad singer i think i'm a great singer my voice is not my gift my voice really my voice is a vessel that i get to tell story with and i

love to sing and music is my life's blood and music is my first love it always will be it has been it like the way that you were talking about the way that a song can can be with a moment and how it is burned into your experience in your life. And then someone else loves that song. I'm getting goosebumps talking about it. And then you share it and you're like, this is so special. And movies can kind of do the same thing. But music is the thing that you experience while you're having a conversation. It's in the background at the grocery store when someone tells you they're pregnant.

Whatever it is, it's like those, it is with you everywhere. So that's the most special part about it. Music is like better than any drug because it's the only drug that isn't bad for you because it like makes you like it it alters your mental state for as long as you're listening to it or experiencing it yeah but it doesn't like rot your brain or anything you know like anyway sorry and it's but it's so it's so special and it's so exciting to i look around and i think that like lizza she's a performer that's like her gift is it's like yes her voice is amazing and like she has bits and stuff like the flute thing is so funny and she but her like her gift and the thing that she's special is standing on stage and being like look

at me look at me committed like i am here to like make a vibe and make you feel good and i think i that's my gift it It's not my voice. It's my, and I can, I can be like, we're here in this room now and we're going to have an experience together. And I want to like make you all feel seen and comfortable because I, my theory is this is my wedding.

I love a wedding. I love a wedding. I'm the first one on the dance floor. I guess it's like, I'm so I'm a ham at a wedding. And that is kind of my pop star energy is i'm like if i am having so much fun they will have fun you have no excuse but to be like well she's really committed you know what i mean it's like i'm gonna set the tone yes i'm

gonna and i say this when i'm in a like kind of a cold room i will look like a weird like uh corporate show yeah I played this show in a Hilton hotel. Was it a Hilton? It was for a hotel group. Convention center vibes, literally. Actually, like a ballroom in a hotel. Competitive floor.

The stage was the size of this table, which is what, six feet by three feet. So the three of us, me and two huge six foot two boys, because I have to hire taller than me so that I can sometimes be a dainty little girl if I feel like it they have to look like they can manhandle me you know what i mean and so i'm like we're doing this and it's 30 middle-aged people who have literally never they're not gay middle-aged yeah you know what i mean like i'm looking at them being like

they have no they didn't ask for this the one there's this is i get myself into these because there's always the one event planner is the gay guy who's like we should get he's like obsessed bless him and he's like I'm gonna book you bitch

and I'm like thank you I need it genuinely and then I get there and everybody's like what's going on and I'm like we're just gonna have I'm gonna have a great time

hey you just sit back if you want to join in go for it if not this is great rehearsal for us thank you so much I will take my check and I will get out of your hair and you're like

and here's I Love You Always Forever a song you know people that is my go because it's the second to last song in my set I have always finished my set with I Love You Always Forever and then Somebody Loves You

because Somebody Loves You is like it's the rainbow song it's all the rainbow lights go and we play and I always I'll be like alright thank you for listening

to all of my music I'm going to play one that you actually will know and it gets all the moms and everybody's like oh I do know this song it's such a great cover because of that from every doctor's office like there was a time when that song was it's a genius one to cover too because your rendition of it obviously is so so great and

it's like different enough from the original but like it is that song you know what i mean and that song is such a it's a beautiful song especially generationally for us i think like that was when we were all listening to it was kind of like that time of like they played like 31 songs on the radio yes and like that song was like top hits yeah it was like that thing it was like with top 40 had like a rotation that didn't really change for a while right right right and like it's i think the key to finding the right song to cover is the one that if you start and you're like, what is this song? And then the chorus hits and you're like,

I know. And because it's like, you can actually bring life to it. If you're doing like, Ain't Nobody by Chaka Khan, it starts and you're like, no, I get it. I know this song.

And the rest of it is kind of just like chugs along. It starts and I'm like, no, I know this song. And I start out with the chorus, feels like, and if you don't know it,

everybody's like, do I? And it doesn't, until the chorus hits and everybody's like, oh, I do. And I start out with the OS first. Feels like... And if you don't know it, everybody's like, do I? And it doesn't... Until the chorus hits and everybody's like, oh, I do. And then everybody's in it and then it just keeps building

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so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez,

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to dudes on dudes on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts but you're saying when you go to that hotel show like you what you still despite of the circumstances your gift is still performance yeah yeah I think I think the thing that I have spent um my like gym of sort of my life has been in like think the thing that i have spent um my like gym of sort of my life has been in like performing the thing that i have like grown sort of a callous around is being the being the one who was like i'm gonna set the tone because i i've been in so many strange situations because i have this very specific demo so it's like i've played every pride in this yeah yeah that's my like bitch they bitch. The memes that I saw when the pandemic happened,

and it was like Betty Who filing for unemployment because of Pride season. And I'm like, no, literally, actually. No, actually, though, yeah. Literally. Oh, God. So it's like, that is my... I've been, we often talk, you know,

we've been to some pretty bleak prides. Yeah, sure. But those are so important. They're so important. Backstage, every time, I'm like, they need us more here. Yes, absolutely. Every time, I'm like, this is... and i know like i played i played a festival that was called i'm not it's i'm not dragging them the festival was great i was not the right person to be at the like again probably

some homo was like we should get petty who like thank you but it was roots and blues so it was an all-female festival which i love love. I love that. But it was exclusively girls playing guitars. Yeah. And I get out with my track set with me and my homosexuals and their washboard abs and my like,

oiled up legs. They are so hot. I know what I'm doing. That's clear. I know what I'm doing. The assignment was understood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm like,

I come out and I'm immediately like, oh, and we start and people are like, leaving-huh and that doesn't happen by the way that doesn't really happen i'm like the number one person who would be like i know you weren't expecting this but you're gonna enjoy this by the end of it and it usually works and so this was like a time when it was not not working and i was like four songs in and i had my first break and i was like i bet you're wondering what I'm doing here I'm wondering the same thing but you know what Columbia Missouri tonight we are gonna have a great time

yeah and people just kept I mean it's like they kept leaving and I was like this is it's still and I saw and you can see so there's like the front VIP section that's supposed to be slammed with all the people who have their fancy wristbands. Yeah. Crickets. Nobody's in the VIP section. So it's just dead space between me and the one homo. Yeah. Who's living. I think there was one gay guy over here and then I'm making an assumption

about her sexuality, but I suspect that it was one lesbian gal in a Who Crew t-shirt and the other guy was also in a Betty Who t-shirt. And they, it's like, because if I feel often when I see people like that in the crowd they don't just know the words to I Love Yours Forever they know the words

to the fucking deep cuts that I'm playing there you go Blue Heaven Minute Crush yeah and they're like in the second verse like like on the riff you know what I mean and I'm like oh like fuck this is you were you were in the record yeah and it's so it is such it's like a shot of adrenaline i'm like i get so jacked up because i'm like this you have been you're in columbia missouri yeah and you probably came to this festival wearing your hookah t-shirt to come see us all of these like old middle-aged people who literally don't give a fuck about it's not for them yeah i know that it is for you yes and i will not let you down that's Sir and ma'am. Or anyone in between.

You know what I mean? Matt and I have performed to an audience of one. Audience of one. We outnumbered the audience. Did they really enjoy themselves though? That's a lot of expectation. It's really crazy to think back. That was like six, seven years ago.

That wasn't a long time ago. And we literally, that was like that was like six seven years ago that wasn't a long time ago and we literally it was it was like a like alt show in like a basement but we really thought more than one person would come yeah but one person came and we did the show we did the whole show our friend who knew us but that was like but but that was it's called rehearsal and thank you britney beyonce it goes back to that. It's called rehearsal and it's putting you on the path to the moment when it's like, I think that,

especially in this business, I hear a lot about this and I see it a lot where it's like, all of these weird stumbles that you have make you uniquely prepared for your destiny

in whatever way that is. So it's like, for all of the times that you have fallen on your face in front of that one audience member who you gave, put on the list.

Do you know what I mean? Right, right, right, right. She didn't pay. She didn't pay. Bitch. So it's like, in front of that one audience member who you gave you put on the list do you know what i mean right right right she didn't pay she didn't pay bitch yeah so it's like for all of that like there will be some weird cosmic moment where you're like isn't it funny that this i've had a lot of that where it's like i played one show that was horrible and i was so mad and i was like at my management like why am i playing this fucking show nobody fucking gave shit like this is so bad and then it's like two years later one person was at that show who actually books for jimmy kimmel and now you know it's stupid and it's real and it's like you to have the perspective enough to be like well another one bites the dust sure it's like kind of easier said than done but i think especially i heard you literally i was listening

to sean episode for who i love by the way sean, Sean Hayes. Yeah, so great. His husband, Scotty, follows me on Instagram. So I think that's my in. Scotty's in. Oh yeah. 100%. You have an in. 100%.

Yeah. Because Sean is a big classical guy. I'm trying to find my classical music people. I need someone to go to the orchestra with. Oh yes, that's perfect.

You know, and I was like, I was like, I'm pretty sure that Sean Hayes is going to be my orchestra date. But he doesn't know me. We're going to get that. I'm sure he knows you.

Scotty's played you in the house. Scotty's the one really holding it down. I get that energy. I love it when someone is like... I think Anthony was cooking in the kitchen and your egg normie was on in the background. Anthony's a little bit of a B-dub. The first time we met, he was like...

Actually, Anthony, the first time we met, he said his then boyfriend was like the biggest Betty Houston. He was Stan by association. So I don't want to speak for him. And now full-blown Stan. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, while he was cooking, Ignore Me was playing and I was like, I knew I liked him. I think when I met Antony, he said that and I was like, oh my God.

And I made a joke because I was like, you're literally so hot. And I don't think he liked that. And i think that made him pull a little bit away from i feel like i i objectify i would like to publicly apologize sometimes well i am more than a piece of meat a little bit you know what i made a joke to oh my god army hammer one time like this is years ago i was i was yeah let's just let's just pause for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Gather yourself. But it was- I have a question about that, actually. I'm really, this is really, okay, okay, okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

You go, you go. It was Sundance. And he came in, this is like before all of it. And like, he came in- But Post called me by your name. Post called me by your name. Post the page. Post the page.

I was like doing a fun little interview with him. And who else was it? Someone else. He was in this movie and I'm talking to him and i'm like not like a journalist i'm doing bits with everyone that's coming in so my bit with him was like oh isn't it funny like we're here at robert redford's like sundance film festival he's like the hot actor of yesteryear and here you are the hottest actor of today and he really like shut down yeah hot people i think they don't like to necessarily hear about the hotness because and i kind of i was kind of annoyed because i was like what no one's ever made a joke about

you being hot like please give me a fucking break right but then i was like the winklevoss twit like that's you have to like you're you gotta have a vibe yeah but then i was like i mean maybe they maybe like in their like privileged way that's their way of being objectified like but i don't know i guess maybe another thing is like they don't necessarily know how to respond to it like it's it's like sure maybe this is a controversial question but i have a question about ms hammer okay yes i understand like i don't know any let me preface yeah i don't actually know enough detail to be speaking but i don't so i don't know about like consent or any of that stuff so like if that's involved that's not the thing right there felt like there was a lot of kink shaming going on surrounding the army of it all and i had a feeling during it i was like if he changed his bio to 100

of cannibal we would all laugh about this and everything would be chill but then all of a sudden he's being chased with pitchforks out of hollywood i think there were some consent issues this is what i don't know about and this is why i carefully but i i understand i like the root of this question and it's like if it were kind of distilled to that to like a kink and like if he hasn't actually acted on it and yeah it's like if it's like dirty messages with a girl who he's talking to and that's like she's like lol do you like that it's like yeah he and it's just like he's like very unsafe and then to have shared all of that. He's not like, I'm going to come kill you at your house. Give me your address.

I'm going to come murder you. Totally, totally. I don't know. I don't know enough about it. It went beyond dirty talk, I think. I think it was like it genuinely got dark. There was footage at one point. Oh, see, I don't know enough.

I just know I saw some of his outlandish cannibalism kink and stuff. And I was like, honestly, good for her. Like, why are we, you know, you're allowed. She's walking in her truth. You can be into feet. You can be into what have you. And if you have a partner who's consensual in that, then, like, rock on, babe.

Free love. The funny thing is, like, all the trailers for his new movie, Death on the Nile, are coming out. And, like, it's so crazy how they edit around him. And it's so clear he's, like, the lead of the movie. Like, him and Gal Gadot, I think, are, like, a couple who are, like, the lead of the movie. I thought they didn't replace him.

They did not because they had shot it. They tried to trick him into come seeing it. Like, he's not in it. They're like, no, don't look over there. He's literally, like, there'll be, like, a flash of him, like, passing by. And the trailer is so trying to cut around him. It's really funny. But it's just, it's kind of crazy because he's the lead of the movie.

And you forget, like, you know, this shit takes so long. Like, maybe they did another pass on it. We're not over it yet, for sure. And I know when it all happened, he got dropped. I think he was supposed to be in Marry Me. Wasn't that supposed to be? Not Marry Me, but another Shotgun Wedding. A different J-Lo.

A different J-Lo movie, right? Yes, he was supposed to be in Shotgun Wedding and I believe got replaced by Josh Duhamel. Yes, yes. But that was like, he was going down to Puerto Rico to go shoot it and then they were like, no, you're not. Actually, yeah. Which is probably the right, yeah.

Oh, I mean, yeah. We're definitely not over it and I don't have enough details but I just, I remember being like, just, like, are you allowed

to be a freak? Like, so what? I bet lots of people are. I think that, I think that there's tons, Sex positive stuff, you know what I mean? Tons of freaks

and tons of freaks in Hollywood, and I think that he went beyond it to the point where it's like, meh. You know what's funny is it's like, I forgot when that all was happening with him that he was a big enough deal to warrant all of that because he, to me, is always just kind of like, he wasn't my favorite. Because around when Call Me By Your Name came out, that's true,

there was this piece that I remember coming out about how like, why has Hollywood given this man so many second chances? You're right, because he's been in a lot of flops. And it feels like if a woman or like an actor of color had had that many like missed attempts at nailing it, that they'd be like, okay, we're moving on. I think pass for now. Yeah, but I think it's like.

I think he comes from a very wealthy family and also looks that way sure you know what I mean so it's like they would love nothing more than to be able to put

Hollywood loves to forget yeah for them for a favorite they love to forget and be like no don't worry about it but like

I think but I see that's what's kind of being questioned right now by a lot of people it's like was he ever the favorite though because I think he was I see that's what's kind of being questioned right now by a lot of people. It's like, was he ever the favorite though?

Like, because I think he was just about to start working in like the sense of like, Armie Hammer works. And then this all happened. Yeah. It's like, you know. Also, we've given Armie Hammer too much of our time at this point. Armie Hammer has now taken up real estate. I'm having way too much fun with the two of you to talk about Armie Hammer

anymore. This is a safe space to talk about Armie Hammer. Absolutely. I am 100% a cannibal. Wait, and rock on. Free?

Like, on a cool for you. As long as you're in a cool, safe environment, you know? Okay, are you willing to try

this plant-based meat alternative that tastes like human? Oh, oh, I don't know. Tell me more. It's starting to, I've only heard like.

Absolutely not, by the way. No. Yellow Jacket's fever has officially gone too far. It's gone too far. If I start eating, and this is, I'm taking the kink out of it. This is just for people who like enjoy the gustatory sensation of eating human flesh.

Wait, I'm so sorry. Yeah, I need more context, perhaps. I think now, this is a few years ago, but now it's gaining traction. Not too much traction, but there are plants, alternatives that taste like human flesh.

That's insane. Who is able to... So, Armie Hammer should be the face of it. Do you know what I mean? Embrace your weird sex kink. And I think the shame of it is a part of the scary part. I'm like, this is your world, bro. We're just living in it.

You have an industry now. For me, it's not even, I don't know if it's shame. It might be, but I'm here thinking, I'm never going to try that stuff. Because if I try it and I like it yeah what then what what do i do well and also like for at what at what caught i don't know yeah i just i don't i don't know what and yes to what and also i want to know who's in the lab being like let me taste test it yeah that's right how do you know see this remind but you know what we would be good for is for unsuspecting people who don't know they're being fed human.

Because this is a true crime phenomenon. The solid green of it all. Of, of. Let me set the stage for you. This is a, like, wives tale probably. But it's like six degrees of separation. I heard the story about a girl who was on a date. A Tinder, some kind of online date.

Already. She'd been talking to this guy. Scary. Yes. He invites her to his house. Always no. Always public place, girls and boys. For the friendly, especially first couple dates, you're sussing it out

for the love of God. She goes to his place. He cooks her a meal. They hang out. They have dinner. She eats. Halfway through the meal. No. By the way, this could completely be untrue, but I love it anyway. I'm going to pretend like it's entirely true. Halfway through the meal, it's like, I'm actually, I'm feeling like, I have to go home.

I'm so sorry. I'm like, I'm getting sick and I have to go. She gets home. She becomes violently ill where she's like, oh, I have to go to the hospital. Like, she is not okay. She's like shitting blood to go to the hospital like she is not okay she's like shitting blood like it's bad and she goes to the hospital and they pump her stomach and they examine what and she had been she ate a human at dinner and he and they look the police get

involved the whole thing they look up this guy he was it was an airbnb he had used a fake name and paid cash his his profile was fake it didn't exist like everything about him had been like all she had was the experience of it happening but she doesn't have any photos of him like his profile was fake it didn't exist like everything about him had been like all she had was the experience of it happening but she doesn't have any photos of him like his profile was

like oh so he got off on feeding her human and then ditched town and then literally was never to be seen again this is one of the

this is a film and he needs to star in it so but here here's my full here's my full circle is if the young lady who had been on the date

had tried this beef you speak of that tastes like human that is plant based she would be like you know what this tastes like human and I know because I've had the fake human stuff it's too late she'll still be human not a whole meal not a fucking bowl of eggs you're right you're right

I can't believe this is what we're spending our time on my mind is going a mile I mean well cannibalism is in the conversation right now because of Yellow Jackets. Have you watched it? I have not. Neither have we because we're like scared. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know for me.

TV, like taking in stuff for me is often. Yeah, what's your media diet? I'm not, I know you're a housewives family. Yeah, we love. I'm not a, reality goes as far as The Bachelor for me. Sure, sure, sure. And I wasn't even a Bachelor queen and then I was on it.

Until you were on it, yeah. And then I was like, what the fuck is happening? Yeah, yeah. Because I shot the, you know, it's like, I'm standing on stage at this random fucking high school

of Blake from The Bachelor in the middle of nowhere in Colorado. And I had flown out for literally 12 hours because I had something else and it was like, they asked me four days before, can you be at this high school? So I'm sitting in this auditorium waiting for, and like, and the producer is like, sorry, we're holding. They're like two minutes, two minutes. And then I hear we're holding, sorry, they're making out against the

lockers. We're holding, we're holding. And I was like, I have to watch this. This is my, my entrance now. Yeah. I mean, talk about a straight audience. This is context for me. Like I have now I have to see this. So I watched i started watching becca's season from the beginning and it was it was also really nice because becca is like a fucking betty who stan oh really when i went to follow her after i had done it so i could dm her and be like so nice to meet you like so fun like hope you find love or whatever i opened our dms to go dm her and she had dm'd me three years prior saying betty who when you come i'm coming to your show in minneapolis will you help me film my bachelor audition tape the full circle and it was her audition to be on the first season that

she was on arty or whatever before i watched well he was he he he really fucked her up yeah do you know about that no i don't i't. I'm not Bachelor Nation. That was crazy. That was crazy. That was not good. So basically he like broke up with her on live national television and she was like,

this is really fucked up. Like it wasn't like, it didn't feel like, feel good for the camera's drama. It was like- They did it on SNL actually. Cecily played her on SNL because it was such a viral moment.

Basically like, it's like the finale happens, he proposes to her, she's so happy and then they like can't see each other for like a few weeks or something or like oh and then so the cameras fought basically he had decided that he wanted the other girl he made the he made the wrong he picked the wrong girl so they were like okay well we have to film your reunion with her and This is so fucked. And so basically, they follow him with the cameras in. He sits down. She's like, hey, it's so good to see you.

And you can kind of see it. They're engaged to be married. You can see a dawn on her in her eyes. She's like, what's going on? And he's like, I've decided that it's nothing that you did, but I have to be with her. And basically,

they followed her meltdown around the house and she keeps being like yes she keeps being like stop like leave me alone and they they won't and like people from bachelor nation like from the show were tweeting like this is beyond this is like this is too personal and horrible and i can't believe you guys did this so it's like i can't believe you've done this so it was so like bucked up and then we had her season and she became the bachelorette so they made her the bachelorette which i love because she deserved her fucking moment and she's so cool and genuinely very nice i've seen her actually she lives in la now we're still instagram friends okay um but she came to like six betty who show and so so the

producer this is like the producer called me and they make playlists for them because they're not allowed to have phones. Oh, sure. Because they take all of their devices. For like three months. So like, but your planes, trains and automobiles, I mean, pre-COVID, everybody was going all over. You know, they film an episode in Phuket for no reason. And you're like, all right. That's right.

Like, let's go. So it's like 18 hours of travel time with no device. With no device. Yeah. And so the producers make them playlists, big playlists. And Becca was like just betty who i just want to listen to betty who all the time and so the producer called and was like do you want to do this thing whatever so i did the show and it was my first in because

otherwise most straight people don't know me so i was like becca is my one in a million she's a good one she's my she's like she was the first bachelorette that was like up front about being like a liberal democrat like great she because they're not really supposed to talk about politics. I think Rachel Lindsay said at one point like she couldn't connect with it's like a thing of like

they don't want you to talk about it on the show. Because they don't want to be disqualifying. And they shoot everything. So you're basically meeting someone in fact

the guy Becca chose like was like I heard about this and I've had a lot of that stuff. This is my hot take, interestingly, about Garrett.

And they are not together anymore and she's now, she found love on Bachelor in Paradise this last season. So she seems very happy. God bless. But, there's a lot of controversy

around Garrett. I don't know anything about anything. Garrett and Becca came to Nashville Pride. They were in Nashville and Becca found out that I was playing Nashville Pride and she was like,

oh my God, can we come? And I put her on. I her on i was like sure girlfriend this is after the show whatever she's been a year or something she's still with garrett he comes first of all i'm like for someone who's supposed to be like a transphobic like monster he's at nashville pride and he was like dancing and having a great time so i was like that's always that's already a great start great you know for what i'm this is just my personal experience. I was like, I'll take it. I love heterosexual men who can be cool in a gay environment. Yeah, not be like all gay panic about it. That's my entire life.

I have a very queer life. And so if you're trying to ride, you're going to have to get down. And so my husband, I lived with my husband and his best friend from high school to like extremely heterosexual men. And I have gayed them up. It's so beautiful and awesome. And like my very heterosexual roommate, he's definitely straighter than my husband, was like, I can't believe how gay you've made my life. Like genuinely, like I could never have expected that this, but like all of my best friends, he was like Scott Hoying,

like all of his best collaborators, like all of these amazing queer people. And he was like, I would have never expected. And like, what a beautiful gift you've given me. And I was like. It's just atmospheric and environmental. You're just like, you're just kind of like showing them things that like have no actual,

that are just culturally like connected to queerness. Queer culture is like, it's magic. It's joyful. It's ugly and gross and like really beautiful ways yeah i'm getting super into queer i'm so we just moved and so i'm getting really into queer art thinking about what i want to put on your redecorate yeah we're redecorating and i i like got super deep on etsy looking up all these like old like the devil is a lesbian like queer like old book like like porny kind of yeah yeah from 1932 so it's like it's really like tasteful and i think it's i love like old school queer stuff yeah kind of from another time because now we all just get to be however we want to be and like live

our lives and it's so fabulous and great and lucky for us but i love the sort of like scary like taboo spooky gay stuff from, from pre the eighties. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.

Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo. Or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian.

Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died

trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. Guess what, folks? We're teammates again. And we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes.

I'm a dude, you're a dude, and Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show. We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against, legends from the past, and we're just going to sit here and talk about them. And we'll get into the types of dudes. What kind of types of dudes are there, Gronk? We got studs, wizards. We got freaks. Or dudes dude. We got dogs.

Dogs. We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. Is Randy Moss a stud or a freak? Is Tom Brady a dog or a dude's dude? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of

trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. what's your relationship with Nashville now do you are you because were you working out of there like like writing stuff or no I feel like I've heard you talk about being in Nashville like

I was I was I was working on my I'm working on my record with someone who lives between Nashville and Utah okay great so I was I was writing songs in Nashville and that's gotta be such a good vibe yeah you know he's um he's definitely like Red America, which is kind of a funny, like I'm trying to just make this like beautiful queer, like songwriter record. And he's like, we have so many different kind of experiences in our lives. And I think we're finding this really interesting balance and I'm super jacked about it.

It's my longtime producing partner who I made my first three records with, Peter Thomas. Oh my God, and his stuff is so good. His music is incredible. Stream Peter Thomas. Look at what you've done. It's one of my favorite songs ever. It's like, that's- TV with the lights off. records with peter thomas oh my god and his stuff is so good music is incredible stream peter thomas look at what you've done some of my favorite songs ever it's like that's tv with the lights off watch tv with the lights off well stream peter thomas oh god um that his uh um look at what we've done is one of those moments like on the train coming across the train um from brooklyn

into the city when you cross the bridge and you're above ground and and i was listening to it and i was like look at the sun was setting over manhattan and and uh look at what we've done was playing and i was like wow this is a moment i'm having a flash right now because i remember all of you no i remember well first of all that and also like like the song just thought you should know like when i first heard that i was like wow this is like you just so happen to lyrically and like sonically like real yeah my life yeah and so i really wanted to get back with my ex at that point yeah and i was like i was like this song is perfectly saying what i want to say and it's good that i didn't act on those impulses looking back yeah but like that's why I wrote the song instead of did the thing exactly that's why

is that an experience that you have often absolutely like let me live out this thing in a song there's a big part of especially like as a married lady at 30 my life is a lot I don't I'm not trying to like I have a lot of experience I do things for the experience a lot I love like I was never I don't have taste like taste as far as like men or women like if you can make me like i've never i've always been just down because i'm like so what especially at like 23 i was like cool i'll have some weird experience with this person i would never ordinarily go out with and how rich does that make my life like i've always been but now i can't it's i have less of that sure uh agency by choice because i want to have like kind of a stable you know emotional life

and so there's a lot of I think my like responsibility in songwriting I think about right like I want to write the experience and also I think putting words to an experience that it was so real for me so that when other people don't have the you go oh my god how did like Joni Mitchell did that for me when I was a teenager it was like like, how do you know what it is? Because I know it's a feeling, but I don't know what it is. And then you hear it and you go, that's what it is. And that's like, so I'm trying to really like get super microscopic and go in on a real specific feeling or experience that I go like, I've never heard a song about this thing, like

about this one moment. If you zoom so far in so that like, yes, it might be more niche, but then the people who it speaks to, it speaks to tenfold. And I think that's kind of where I'm, I'm doing a lot of different stuff. I'm trying to like really focus it using my music career as like very specific niche stuff, because I'm lucky enough to now there's a bunch of stuff coming up in my career that are all very different to what I've been doing for a long time. Cause quarantine made us all have to pivot for some you know especially as a touring musician i go like okay yeah what do i do now figure adapt you know that absolutely so there's been a lot of change and growth and so it's cool to then come back to my music and be like well now that i have all of

these other outlets like there's less of me needing to prove stuff in my because it was like the only way i could express myself for so long. It was my only outlet and that was really unhealthy. So now I'm like writing music for an animated kids show. So cool. We just got the pilot picked up and that's going to be amazing. And I'm like obsessed with it and I'm so passionate about it. And it's like, oh, I get to write like a boy band song.

And then it's like now Betty Who record doesn't have to be, I love Instinct, but I love this thing. And I want to explore all these different genres. It's like, I get to do that now on the show that it's like now Betty Who record doesn't have to be, I love Instinct, but I love this thing and I want to explore all these different genres. It's like I get to do that now on the show that it's meant for. And I get to be more strategic about what I actually want to put on my record because I don't have all of this stuff that's like desperate to get out of me. You know, I have somewhere else to put that. And it's like, really, I'm really pumped. Wow.

That's the coolest. That's the coolest. You're jacked up. I can tell. I'm jacked up. Well, you wrote this I think you posted your artist streams

for Spotify at the end of the year and I think the first line was like I mean not bad for someone who has put out something you know in a while

and like it ended up just being this beautiful love letter to like the fans and you're like this is the reason why like the numbers are still

like this despite the output or whatever you know and like because you're a soundtrack and you're like, this is the reason why the numbers are still like this despite the output or whatever, you know? Because you're a soundtrack. Because you're a soundtrack. Yeah. That's what I, I love that you say that

because that's exactly what I'm trying to do. So great. I feel seen. Because just a second ago when like Matt, I think you joked, half joked like,

yeah, this song is about you. Literally. You weren't joking though. Because I know, because I know that you were like, oh, that's literal. And I'm like, no, I know. Because's about you. Like, you weren't joking, though. Because I know. Because I know that you were like, oh, that's literal. And I'm like, no, I know. I'm so happy that you're happy.

Now wait, that's a lie. I love that. Immediacy in the writing, that discussion with yourself, like, I'm just gonna say that's not even true. I'm bailing on myself mid-thought. I don't know. It's just like, it really... And I think also because in the stream of consciousness thing, and also because music exists inside you,

like you experience it up here in your brain and in your heart. Your head movies? Yes. And so like, that is, you know, it's just, it's not every writer that can just do that. You know what I mean? Like, and also it's like, when you're sitting down to try, I think the people make the mistake of,

I'm going to write a hit. And they think it's like, The ship has long sailed for me on a hit song. To that capacity. To like, Sure. It's funny. I was actually,

I was listening. I was on the pin. I cut you off and I'm so sorry. And I really want to hear what you have to say. I'm so sorry. All I'm saying is like, it's that specificity that is actually more universal. And it's like,

even in comedy and like, it's so interesting sometimes when you get notes that are like, how do we make this, this? And it's like, no, no, no, exist in the specificity. it's so interesting sometimes when you get notes that are like, how do we make this this? And it's like, no, no, no. Exist in the specificity. It's like when I was auditioning for a pilot season, like a couple of years ago, like I would see every network script and it felt like they were trying to appeal to everyone. And they were trying to like type into a device type into a, type into like a device, like what's going to be a hit show in 2020.

And it's like, you know, like it's like, has like this diverse cast and it's like about this thing. And it's like, a woke joke, like a woke joke. And in the,

sort of like the bad parts of, and just like that, where it's like trying so hard to be the thing, instead of telling a specific authentic story about what it is. And it's like that with music too. You know what I mean? Oh my God. You just referenced save the cat. Yeah. It's so like pee pee poo is and it's like that with music too you know what I mean oh my god you just referenced

Save the Cat yeah it's so like pee pee poo poo it's like okay and what else like we get it but that's such a

I think it's harder in I'm in my first foray into film and TV we have a mutual friend Sam Lenski I think you know Sammy

Sam and I are writing a movie musical together actually he told me about that yes and it's really I think it's fierce you would hope that I would think it's, he told me about that. Yes. And it's really, I think it's fierce. You would hope that I would think it's great. He's such a great writer. Oh my god, he's incredible.

It's been such an eye-opening experience to save the cat. Me screenwriting and doing that and it's something I've gotten really into. I hope Sam and I are going to do a lot more of it together, which is really fun. But that's like, the thing about music that's so specific to it, because I had a really different experience in screenwriting.

The difference in music is I think the right song can remind us how we are all the fucking same. Because you say just thought you should know is literally my life. And I'm like, do you know how many people that song specifically because it's so specific have been like, no. How did you do that? And I'm like, right, but this is what I'm saying. Different people from different

socioeconomic backgrounds, people of different races, of different genders, of different identities, sexually, like all types of people have been like, that is literally my life.

And I'm like, right, because we are literally all the fucking same. Yeah, and don't patronize me with your art. You know what I mean?

It's like, let's tell the story and I can connect to it. You know what I mean? Like all the things that really pop off are because they get specific and they get real

and that's where the authenticity is not in these things of like, let's type into, let's type into, get an algorithm of what's going to work because we feel,

there's no soul. There's no one who can be more you-er than you. The Dr. Seuss thing. Right, right. And also, by the way, like I am a huge proponent

of pop music and and algorithmic pop music as an art form i stand a perfectly sculpted crafted nothing pop song i love black pink like that is literally the most pee pee poo poo hook here rap here must rhyme here and then is hit song and i'm like yeah, yes, you're correct about that. And it works, yeah. And I am obsessed. And something I've had to, this was a big realization, is like, oh, there's a huge part of pop culture that I, as a consumer, identify with and love. But that does not mean that that's the artist that I actually am.

It's kind of the artist that I wish I could be. And it's like, because the part of me that wishes I could like be five foot three in the bra on stage in the rain at Britney at the end with a clear cowboy hat, doing the like sexy pop star thing where you have the full choreography and 75 dancers and it's all tightened together. It's like, well, actually, like I'm a big giant girl who like played cello my whole life. And so that's just like, I'm fundamentally, giant girl who like played cello my whole life and so that's just like I'm

fundamentally that's not who I am but it's so there's this big choice of like oh it's just because I love it doesn't mean it's who I actually am and I've had to shed a lot of stuff that isn't really authentic to me actually because of how much of that part of culture that I love now that I've become who I really are yeah it rhymed better and Ariana was like that doesn't doesn't make sense and max martin was like nobody cares and guess what break free was like the biggest song of that year i listen to it all the time now that i've become who i really are yeah i'm screaming it because i can't believe it and it's like who fucking cares because actually who cares biggest song ever yeah high hopes by panic at the disco has like 35 writers and the the uh brendan's manager told me a story i toured with panic and it was an incredible

experience i'm i'm literally obsessed with them and he seems very cool he seems great cannot say enough nice things the whole crew the fans it is so my people it's like a bunch of fucking weirdos who love brendan and i'm like yes like my fans feel the same way it's like a bunch of like outcasts who love betty who it's like a very similar energy. And High Hopes, the chorus was a song that had been pitched as a rap song. And it was like the Panics manager heard it and was like,

this should be a Panics song. Like they wanted the hook to be on a rap song. And he was like, no, no, no, no, this is a Panics song. There were like 12 writers on that song. And sometimes when major labels come together to like do god's work it you go like oh yeah someone probably was like it's not hooky enough and everybody was like we're all

gonna kill ourselves and then it was literally the biggest song at top 40 radio for nine months and it's like sometimes it do a lipa that is major label money at good at good work she is the pop star like that is a curated created pop star by a massive corporation. She had all the stuff. And they said, we will expense you into being a star. And she said, okay. So what is Doja Cat to you then? Doja is an icon in a different way to me.

Because she is so authentic and so fucking weird. I was listening to her pre-moo. Yeah. Pre-bitch. Pre-moo. Pre-moo. It's wild. You were on it.

I was showing this guy I was dating. I was like, you got to listen to that. Here's a video for this song called Go to Town by this girl Doja Cat. And like no one was listening to her. Yeah. And I was like, you guys. Who's Doja Cat? I know.

I know. It's like, how do you pronounce it? And like now it's like, I feel like Doja Cat is actually algorithm pop star slash you know like MC turned giant megastar like that is also in some way the label system at work a hundred percent and that's to do with her music because I look at her I look at her entertainer side and I go like that is god given nobody paid for that and she's like people are paying for Dua Lipa's entertainment like they are paying someone to put her in rehearsal and I

also like listen we've all seen the video we all know the move oh yeah that choreo did not change I will say I will say I respect that this girl has been in rehearsal like seeing her now

she got it down she has that same choreo down she might not be Janet Jackson but I don't want her to be Janet Jackson she's Dua and I'm really appreciative that she said

you know what I'm being fucking dragged why don't I get my ass in rehearsal and I'm gonna get I'm gonna tighten this up a little bit and I see her now and I'm like bitch you must respect

I must about like credit where credit is due yeah love that about her. This is my thing, right? And like, it's, this kind of goes back to what you're saying. Like, oh, you're, the ship has sailed for you to write a hit song. I feel like we're no longer living in a monoculture anymore anyway.

So there is no thing that like everyone from all quadrants, all sectors is going to like zero in on at the same time. It's just not going to happen. Well, and listen, like, this is the other thing I think about is I, social media for me is fun when it is supposed to be fun. And then I like mostly makes me feel bad about myself and I try to disengage from it. You know, I think most people feel that way. Probably. Yes. I am. And I know what it looks like when you're really great at social media. Cause one of my best friends, my best friend who was my roommate in college freshman year sarah she's my ride or die bitch she's good at the internet she speaks internet yeah and i'm like an old lady like i

totally don't understand comparatively because i see her and i go you know you oh you have it i don't uh-huh and i am having this moment there's you know music i think everything's streaming everything is so crazy and we're all kind of coming to a head of like, okay, you can't pay artists nothing. We have to figure it out. We're figuring it out. Stuff has to be figured out. TikTok, like I went out. Man, I'm going rogue.

I'm going to fucking say it. Say it. I went out, you know, I'm taking some of my first couple singles out to sort of test the waters because I. Yes, yes. No, that makes total sense. Because I have had kind of a, not a great first record label experience, but I also believe that like, I also see what happens when record labels are put to...

Lizzo. Lizzo, I feel very connected to as an artist. She's making the music she wants to make. She wants to make a good fucking vibe and she wants to entertain people. And I go like, same. And she loves a sparkle. And I'm like, yeah, no, no, no.

We were like same demo before she got really famous. We were both on tour a month apart. and so i was at every venue behind her and we had a co-headline tour booked and then she popped off and i was like bye you enjoy the grammys i do remember that time when i remember we were like we were doing this we were literally like in it together i was like that's my bitch like we didn't know each other but i was like you and me sister like i feel kinship here and then she had her moment and i was like what one day for me it'll happen but she i feel like that is major label money going like no we can support what you do and make it massive and that's all i ever wanted was to be like i will do i will do the work i love to work that's the i love it point me in the direction and say dance monkey dance and i am

so desperate for your validation i'm happy to please and so i had this bad experience with my first label and i was like there's no way that there's not a label partner out there for me that can do the same thing that has happened to lizzo to all of these amazing peers i look around and go like has had the right that's just the right relationship yeah and i was a baby at osseo i made so many mistakes because i didn't have good guidance because nobody how do you know and go like has had the right that's just the right relationship yeah and i was a baby at ossier i made so many mistakes because i didn't have good guidance because nobody how do you know it's a big label too i didn't have peers in the industry that i could actually you know i was young and it was me and all my friends for who just graduated from college and we were living

in new york and i'd signed a record deal and i was the first one out of berkeley that i knew other than charlie charlie pooth and i went to school together oh that's right yeah and so he signed ellen's label but he had he was like famous immediately and i was like a cult hit with the gays and then just like played every pride in america and that so we had very different pods anyway right right um straight culture but but i this is like i had this moment i was like i'm gonna go out i'm just gonna see because what if i take some meeting and it's the best meeting of my life and this is i'm you know i went around i needed a new agent and i went to caa being like it's the death star like everyone says that you're just gonna get eaten alive in there and i had literally the meaning of my life

and they have been smashing it for me so i'm like what do i fucking know why don't i go out and see see what's about it there's not a single record label in this town that will sign me they all turned me down immediately without even like hands down and it's like i talked to my producer about it he's like i can't believe it's 2022 and betty who can't get a record deal and i'm like but this is where it's shifting as they go we want to sign people with a viral hit on tiktok only yeah and i'm like that's so embarrassing for you it's real that's so embarrassing thing because that just lays bare this truth that like okay so the labels are are being subjugated to like this thing that is not in their control at all it is so embarrassing and i'm like well clearly that answers my question i don't want to be there anyway you know what i mean it's like i don't want to be somewhere i'm

not wanted and clearly i just wrote a song that i love that i'm super excited about call that's called love letter and it's about being like i'm gonna write this is my last love letter because like i'm if i'm not wanted here then i guess i'll just fuck off like what am i going to do like wait around for you to decide that you're falling in love with me and you're obsessed with me like no like you're this is what you get and if you're not down like i'm i guess i have to do something different and i just i so now i'm i'm i think i'm going to do this distribution deal that's me it's about i get to keep my masters you know it's about ownership etc etc actual financial gain from something that costs all of my money and all of my time and effort like as it

should be etc etc so it's everything's going really well as far as that goes but like it is i'm not going to wake up and all of a sudden be really good at tiktok so me being an old person on an app trying to force it will not make it any better no and so i kind of am in this place where i'm like i like there are a lot of people in my ear always talking you know they're always talking about all the things that you can be doing and i'm like listen at what point am i going to be like it's really about now that i'm doing all so like writing this this music for this animated tv show. I go like, I'm getting so much more

out of jobs. Again, I love to work. I just host, speaking of reality TV, I host a reality show that I signed a massive NDA for so I can't say anything about it but it will be coming out this year

and that's going to be so fucking ridiculous and fun and I had the time of my life and everybody kept being like, you're such a great host and I was like, I'm not doing anything. I can't believe I'm being paid to be here. This is the the time of my life and everybody kept being like you're such a great host and I was like I'm not doing anything I can't believe I'm being paid to be here this is the best job of my life no I hosted a show too and I was crazy I was it was wild how easy it was for how much it's so much fun and I was like I have been I saw Luke Bryan no disrespect to Luke Bryan

upset I'm I'm a country guy I love I love country music I love Nashville country music songwriting stuff so I'm obsessed I went to my friends, Runaway June. They're a country girl band that I love. My friends, Runaway June, were opening for Luke Bryan, so I went to the show. I've never been to a Luke Bryan show. And I was like, this man is in a pair of jeans and a baseball hat. He came out here, and he does a little gyration, like a silly... He's drinking, ripping margaritas on stage.

Halfway through the show, I'm like, you're fucked up. This is rock and roll. does like a little gyration like a silly he's drinking ripping margaritas on stage yeah halfway through the show i'm like you're fucked up like this is rock and roll yeah he does this like weird gyration that and i'm like it's like kind of objectively uh like categorically an ugly dance move and all of the women in staples horny yeah i was like i'm idiot. Like I work so hard and Luke Bryan is selling out Staples Center, having the time of his life, showing up. And I was like, maybe I'm the dumbass. No. But hosting is this for me.

So I'm like, this is lit. This is Luke Bryan at the Staples. Like this is me going like, oh, fuck yeah. And I loved being a part of something where someone's like, okay, now go make the moment happen. That's what I love so now music for me in this gorgeous exciting way is like i just get to do what i actually want to do for the first time like i i don't have any i need a hit song paranoia because of aca or whatever record label anything i want to i'm not trying to make a 14 minute like esoteric

jazz record i want to make pop songs that make people dance and have fun like that's a part of it but I'm not going to sit and obsess over it because why I have jobs now I get to go I just want to work and have a great time and whatever comes from it I should be so lucky and I think I've heard you guys talk about this where you just become a professional all of a sudden yeah i feel like my first song came out in 2012 so this is my 10 year anniversary of being in the biz wow yeah she like woke up and became she like turned 30 and i'm a professional now yeah and i'm like i got asked to score this the show that i'm writing the music for and i have zero experience there and my imposter syndrome is going crazy and one of my best friends was like you're just a professional person now and like people can

expect you to ask something of you and that you can do it. And you just have to say yes. And you always know more than you think. Of course. I'm dealing with that right now because I'm shooting this Showtime series and I literally had that thing before I got there.

This was Molly. Yeah. I'm so excited. It's going to be great. One time listener, first time caller. Well, this, the confirmed vibes are very good, and I'm excited about it. But I did have that thing the night before where I was like, they made a mistake. Like, I can't believe this.

Like, I'm going to get there and not know my lines. Like, who do I think I am? Like, you know, and all these things. And then this was like the first job I've had where I actually showed up in the morning, and I said to myself, no, you deserve it. And you've worked a really long time. And you are good. And you're actually

going to hold your own there. And then you know what? And you fucking did. Well, that will be for other people to decide, but I feel good about it. But it's the thing of like, you do get to a certain point and you probably have this, I would imagine, because there's no bigger stage. So it's like, and there's no more bigger pressure. And there is that thing of like, you actually, at a certain point and you probably have this i would imagine because there's no bigger stage so it's like and there's no more bigger pressure and there is that thing of like you actually at a certain

point and i do think it's with time and with age you say to yourself whatever it is you're doing even around in the entertainment industry like whatever doing whatever it is that you do teachers you know getting those pre-school jitters like when a new class is going to come in like when you finally say to yourself no you know what i'm a professional and i can do this and i'm better at it than i am ever going to give myself credit for because i think we all have that that thing that and maybe it's like a defense mechanism or it's like let me knock myself down before the world can your whole life your whole life you have sat with your like deficiencies your self-perceived efficiency so of course you're going to talk yourself into into this place where you're like,

I don't deserve this. When did you get comfortable doing that show? I was just about to ask because I wonder, because you're not only a cast member of the biggest sketch show of all time. But a breakout. Breakout star.

And also now you have this flourishing acting career that I feel like you, I wonder because SNL has changed so much in your life yeah are you at a place where you are like auditioning for stuff and still not booking some or are you like offer only I get the choice of whatever I want to do like what is her energy these days she these days is like still a mix of both like I had to put myself on tape for a couple things and didn't get them and I was like okay that's and that feels actually very...

Refreshing. Refreshing. Not refreshing. Humbling. No, no, not. No, just grounding. Keep me grounded. Keep me humble from my fabulous life and lifestyle.

Because I was like, oh, I remember this. I remember this feeling. And I like, I don't know, just being able to triangulate like, oh, like, I still have a ways to go or like, I'm still not like, I still have to like, figure stuff out and like,

oh, and I've set up a nice like, base for myself to like, work off of. You know, does that make sense? Yes,

yeah. But I've not asked you that question yet though. I'm realizing, are you still nervous before? No, no, no,

no, no, no, I'm like, I'm realizing that I've never had that conversation. It depends. It was like,

when Taylor was on, were you stressed a little bit? When Taylor was on, I was stressed. that conversation with you. It depends. It was like when Taylor was on. Were you stressed a little bit? When Taylor was on, I was stressed. Well, that was a crazy week. Yeah. Because there was a lot of talk about doing something on Weekend Update with her. And then things in the schedule kind of got crazy. And then like it just didn't happen.

And I was kind of like, damn, like I could have done something. And then Lauren was like like she'll come back and I'm like okay whatever I don't know this is we can keep this in but like a healthy BTS but like I don't it depends it depends on my mental state like week to week like where you're at inside of yourself

because then you can be like I kind of had a tough week and this is like hard to put yourself it's like what you do is vulnerable. Do you feel this way before live shows? Like at work, like every week feels like the most important week of your life and it, and it resets and that's the beauty of it.

But like, I only am able to take like a granular look at it like week to week. Yeah. You're so focused. You have to, cause if you zoom out, you're like, you'll feel like you do see the forest for the trees. Then like, it is really, yeah. Jarring. And so I don't know. I, I. Because if you zoom out, you're like You'll feel freaked out. If you do see the forest or the trees, then like it is

really, yeah, jarring. And so I don't know. I don't think I'm comfortable yet. I think people can tell still. I think I still have like a ways to go. You're not like walking on stepping like this is my home. I own this fucking place. Well, okay. Can I say something? Like we can leave this out. But Kristen Wiig came back

when Will Forte hosted and she was just kind of walking around. She and I were in a sketch together and she like kept like trying on different voices and accents. She was like, God, I don't think I'm figuring this out. So it never goes away.

It never goes away. You know what's funny? Even someone like Kristen is like still like second guessing her choices being like, I don't know. But that is so, it's refreshing though

when you work with people and you see people and you get to know people because that's even happening with the actors I'm working with who are like full-fledged icons. Of course. And it's refreshing, though, when you work with people and you see people and you get to know people. Because that's even happening with the actors I'm working with who are, like, full-fledged icons. And it's like, they'll express, like, oh, I was really nervous before to start this. And I'm like, you? You?

You know what I mean? You stupid bitch. Why are you nervous? Like an industry legend. Yes, totally. But that just goes to show, like, that is such a part of the you know sensitivity of like the artist or the performer or whatever like that that thing actually you don't ever really want to lose it no because it's good to have those like if i ever like there was a time like in new york when we were performing

truly all the time like and i i would just walk out onto stage and i felt like it didn't matter how many people it was like i felt good and i was happy for that but i was also like i think it's different a televised weekly experience yeah the stakes are higher for you than like walking out onto onto the stage in like oklahoma city when it's like you're not being broadcast to millions of people it's like the people who are there are there and you're like yeah this is my home i know how to do this like you can hit a different threshold like kind of a vat like you're in a zone yeah yeah because i'll lock that's actually it's funny you were like the opposite is true i think on tour which is a problem is you have to remind yourself that every show is the most important show you're like you

can get very into like just another show another city like who cares and that's like never the thing that i i want to bring i care i think it's so cool i hate people who are too cool to care it's like one of the most oh yeah no yeah, no, superiority is, I hate. No, I'm just like, we just want to have fun. I just want to be cool and I just want to have fun. And like, I care, of course I care if you like me. I'm standing here begging you to. I'm not going to pretend like, whatever, I don't need you, like spits in a spittoon.

It's like, of course I need, we all need you. I care so much. Even the quote unquote coolest people. I mean, I think it goes back to what you said in the beginning, too. I think it's not advice I got because it's in her book, but Amy Poehler wrote in her book. Treat your career like a bad boyfriend? That? Because that was the career advice that I got from Poehler from her book.

And I interrupted you a lot today. And I'm so sorry. Please. I'm just really excited when you finish your thing. First of all, that is brilliant advice. But another thing she said that i'll never forget and it is so simple and it's what you said earlier which is if you are having fun they will have fun and that is a hack and it's actually really easy it's i mean it is on you too and i mean like you know of course there's like some circumstances that are just tougher than others, but you can do yourself so many favors if you just – and I understand it's not as easy for everyone in every situation to just decide to be positive energy that day or whatever.

But you bring – This is it. This is the secret. Yeah, it really is. I mean, it actually changed – it revolutionized my comedy. And I remember that i remember it was like a mixture of like reading that in her book and also like you know basic to say but like watching rupaul and like when he said these things like um like it's all like drag it like everyone's in drag like your fear of being stupid

looking stupid it's holding you back yes like go out there and be stupid and have fun and like that is contagious yeah and so when you say like i'm going out there and i'm setting the tone like that is part of the x factor i think and that is like actually like something that everyone can achieve if they really let themselves get there because you have to be confident enough to be like no i'm i know what i'm doing and it's also it's like 10 000 hours right it's like you earn it because all of a sudden i've like i go like no so after i've filmed this reality show for a month where i'm a fish out of water, the entire time I keep being like,

does anybody have notes? Like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just like swinging for the fences and someone stop me if I'm doing it wrong. I went to play, funnily enough, the Roots and Blues Festival was the first show that I had played after I had just finished the show.

And I, or no, what was it? It was, no, I'm wrong. It was the first show of the Kesha tour. I went out with Kesha this year for a month. We had the best time. I'm obsessed with her. We're besties now. She's great.

She's so real and awesome. I loved her last album too and not enough people talked about it. She's a down bitch and her music fucks. I'm here for it. I think she's so talented. Raised in hell. No one talked about that song.

You're right. That song goes so hard. It goes off. And the video's amazing. It's so good. Anyway, so the first show of kesha and it was in montana and i walk onto stage after being so out of my elbow for a month and i'm literally i'm putting my in-ears in and i like turning my mic pack on and i was just all of a sudden like

astral projected out of my body and i was like this is my home i know how to do this yeah it is so natural to me i am so comfortable here And it's like, you earn it. Go do it, you know? But I have a question about commitment, actually, for you. I don't know how much, do you like, how, my first question is, how sick of you are you talking about SNL? Do you feel like there's more that defines me?

Are you like, this is a cool thing I love talking about? Somewhere in between? I love talking about it. I am actually flipping the perception of it the other way where I'm like, I think people are sick of hearing me talk about it. No, it's a cool thing that's your life. Yeah. Well, thank you. You should stand in you and be proud of that. Always.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I always want to talk about it. And yet I feel certain people in my life, no one in this room, but certain people in my life, I'm like, okay. Yeah. All right. Cool. That's an issue. Not niche me. You know what I mean? Like that's about you, babe. Not about me. Like but certain people in my life in my life i'm like okay yeah all right cool that's an issue that's an issue not niche me you know what i mean like that's about you babe not about me like if you're in my if my grandness is making you insecure i'm so sorry no i mean but i'm listening i'm honestly that's what i'm sorry wait that's a rule of culture that's a that's

rule of culture number 40 49 that's an issue not an ish me girl i. I feel like I'm, in meeting you and talking to you, like I'm truly so struck by like how good you are at talking about, and this is yourself, like you're so- I do love to talk about myself. I didn't mean for that to come out the way it did. No, I know what you mean.

But I just, I look at you and you have such an ease about, you know, describing your life and your career and all this stuff. That's what I mean, right? What I'm excited about in hearing you talk about this is i can tell that you're excited and so from someone coming from someone whose work i've enjoyed when you're having fun someone else yes yeah so that's the thing is it's like i've already enjoyed and been obsessed with so

much of your work so to now find out that you am'm equally excited i'm an equal betty who's down you have to be you have to be your own fan you really do i'm like i did some you know silly thing at berkeley when like a hundred people came because i'm like not actually famous enough to draw a crowd but i gave like a must class or whatever and i one of the things i say is like if you don't think you're the tightest person like and there's a difference between confidence and cockiness like that is different and it's a thin line but like you have to believe in it because nobody else is ever going to try as hard for you no one else is ever going to believe in you as much as you do and if you were not your number one like advocate and person in your own life who has

agency to protect you it's that therapy thing of like there's a 10 year old inside of you that needs protection and you have to be the one to be like hey don't speak to her like that like that's the same thing for me in my career and in my my business is like no one knows that's so dumb i went to a soul i was in soul cycle this is so embarrassing but you know angela from soul cycle she's like the famous soul cycle instructor beyonce always takes and i actually met her once yeah it was a moment in time. No, she's very powerful. Like, I'm here for Angela. I went to a class. And by the way, I like to succeed in a workout. Yes, yes.

Angela makes it really difficult to succeed in a workout. Yeah, yeah, the bar's high. Which is my only note. It's not, it's about me because maybe I'm just not on her level. And I go, this is not an all levels class. I understand. Maybe I'll bow out. You keep doing you, babe. But she said in the

class, she turned, it was the most dramatic fucking thing that's ever happened. And I was, you know, sometimes it just, it hits you and working out can be church for some people. And so this one SoulCycle, Angela turns out all the lights and I was in my fucking feels about something. And she said, she was like, God, whatever you want to call it, whatever that thing is for you, why are you getting your feelings hurt that nobody else can see the vision that God showed to you and you alone? You have seen what your life is supposed to be. You have seen where you are supposed to go. Nobody else has.

Why are you out here mad at everybody else for not seeing the vision that God only showed you? That's so interesting. And I was like, oh, my high brain, you know, like hits, hits. And it's like, oh my God. I was so like, oh, because I have always, I consider myself such a renaissance. You know, she's a singer, actor, dancer, you know, dancer. She does it all. I write.

I want to do all this different stuff. Why would anybody know that I can do any of that? Because I've never done any of it professionally. Why would why would any like it is silly for me to be mad at the world for not like giving me an opportunity that it doesn't know that i want yeah and so it really shifted my it's that same thing of i had a performance teacher at berkeley who is his name is livingston taylor he's james taylor's brother. So he grew up in this community, this Lower Canyon sort of like experience. He is adjacent to all of this and he has so much,

he's such a character. He wears this cute bow tie. It's like every day, he's fabulous man. And he teaches this performance class. And there are several things that he taught in that class that I think are genuinely like some of the biggest notes I've ever gotten. The first one, he makes every single person stand up and say their name in front of the class

and enunciate and so someone like my Christian name is Jessica Newham so Brooklyn I was like Jessica Newham and he was like what'd you say I was like Jess and he was like if you're on stage and nobody can find you after because they he was like in between every song if you're in a crowd that nobody knows you when i will be so every break i have i'm betty who yeah thank you guys so much for being here like i hope you're having a great time i'm betty who i say my name 75 times in the show yeah because it's like you're gonna oh i think i saw betty who i remember instead of this amazing band that you're like what were they called they were so great that's a something that's a great note and the other one was you know the feeling

when you're watching a show and someone walks on stage and they're nervous and you go oh this is good I know that's contagious too I'm telling you

that energy is contagious and you feel it and you're like oh no and then they go to sing and they're kind of shaky and you're like oh my god

oh my god oh my god oh my god and then they start and then if they flub for a second everybody's like because when you are

on the position of power on stage and you can control the room like that is your you are responsible for standing in that and being comfortable in it and go hey like welcome to my show and everyone's like oh this is gonna be a great this is gonna be a cool time and it's like that is energetic yeah that is all it is like that is a mastery that has taken me i'm trying to really like know what to use where and be really specific about it but before i forget my question that i had for you about the show yes yes about commitment uh-huh so i'm a huge i'm a big manifester yeah so the thing I'm trying to manifest, I think I DM'd you this actually. I'm trying to manifest a performance on SNL.

It's been my childhood dream. You know, you see it. It's like in the montage of the thing. You see the SNL performance. It's one of the things. It's one of the things. I see you there. So it's a manifest for me.

It'll happen when it happens. I'm not stressed about it. I know it will. But the other thing I want to manifest now, my big host energy is a co is a co is a host musician yes yes marriage and so because i'm a manifester i was like well i better watch every fucking episode of snl so that i'm up on it so that i know i should be involved like i i'm trying to manifest this thing for myself i'm going to be a fan and watch religiously so i watch the show every single week i'm a regular on it. And so I wonder

as a performer, and I don't know if this is like a touchy, like there's probably a press trained way to answer the question, but like when people who are not comedians

come to host, you know, what you're saying, whether you're going to keep it. Like people coming in, commitment is hard. It's a really awkward thing. And in that environment, yeah.

Oh my God. And it's so high stakes and you're all perfect. You do it every week so you know how it goes. And so when you come in as this like completely outfish out of water, like you have to throw yourself in,

like there has to be some level where you're like, you either have to commit or it's just- It's not going to work. Or it's not going to work. The only commitment any host has to do is just to be like, I'm down for anything. All you have to commit to is open-mindedness, which I know sounds so vague and not that meaningful.

But the hosts who end up doing the best are the hosts who are like, I'll do anything. Not the hosts who are like, I want to make sure I do a singing thing. I want to make sure I do something where I play a character or a game show. Yeah. Anyone who comes in with a checklist thing I want to make sure I do something where I play a character or a game show you know like yeah like who anyone who comes in with a checklist already not gonna work not gonna work oh see this is great see give me notes see free notes for me to manifest that's all you need really like when that day comes that's all you need to do like like like the people the hosts who like weirdly not weirdly but like the people like internally responded to the most and I think that the audience is liked we're like you're Carerie mulligan's who like literally came in was like yeah whatever i'll do whatever

wasn't like i gotta do this this this yeah it must also be hard because i feel like especially if you're at a level where you're coming into host snl not only is it like such a huge honor and so you want to do it right and so there's all the stakes stakesiness about it but also like performers are all inherently fucking selfish people sure And it's so hard to come in and humble yourself and be like, I genuinely don't know. So you tell me and I'll go with it instead, instead of being like, no,

I can do like, there's, it's this weird, like having to kind of open yourself up to it. We in songwriting, it's like gift, you know, it has to be bad before it can get good.

That thing. Yeah. I feel like that's probably very similar in your experience as a performer all the time, which is so sort of like, yeah, totally. And like, it's the people who come in who want to,

yeah. Like, like I said, like, um, it's, you have to surrender yourself to it. And that's basically all it is.

You have to commit to, um, being a sub, a full sub. Yeah. Big, big sub. You have to let the show dom you right yes yes big bottom okay yeah i can i can definitely give big bottom energy

she's first so i could give bottom energy i am i wonder like how you must have experienced so i'm sure and you can't name names obviously on the pod but so many hosts who have come in and you've been like fuck this person yeah you have to do do the skits and pretend to have fun and do the thing and it's like okay and especially i imagine how you would hope yeah the ratio was was good right but i imagine that you're like it's a really difficult like when you're having fun everybody else is having fun like but that's not always the case you can't like you can't really it's hard sometimes people really get in your way and fuck with you and fuck with that with your ability to have fun yeah but i mean i but see

when you were describing like putting your in-ears in in montana i've maybe this is answering matt's question from earlier like i am i am able to walk into that space now and be like oh this is like this feels like home. And I never thought that that would happen. Yeah, which is so fucking cool. I know. That's really awesome. And then the second thought after that is,

wow, I can't believe I get to work here. That's crazy. I took a studio tour here when I was 13, and now I work here. But see, isn't that so... There are moments it's like so specific and random but that's the same shit that we were talking about that's the like your path has led you to be specifically perfect for this thing it's like sure lots of people have

taken a studio tour of the snl studio when they were 13 years old and they didn't end up being a cast member but like you fucking did yeah that's cool and it's like weird stuff like that that's why i'm such a manifestation fucking queen is because like when I was watching, this is such a dumb example. I don't know why this is the example. But when I was watching Glee when I was a kid. So like, first of all, Somebody Loves You was on one of the later seasons

of Glee, but it was still made it. It made it in. I know. Which is pretty fucking cool. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Fuck yes. I will take it.

Because some of those Glee versions go all the way off. The Amber Riley I bust the windows out your car incredible also their rendition of Keep Holding On sorry Avril Lavigne

it's better than Avril Lavigne from the Eragon soundtrack yes from Eragon the like dancing queen like there don't stop believing I hate to say it

Summer Only We Know by Keane yes Slade sorry that is a song and a half that is a song and a half but the Glee version is Mr. Chris

and talking about Teenage Dream Teenage Dream in our last episode we talked about Teenage Dream like the Blaine thing of Teenage Dream

that like acapella version I mean that was like a moment for the show that made Darren Criss a superstar that made Darren but so Darren and Chris Colfer

sing Somebody Loves You on the show which is iconic but so when I was and that was the big manifestation thing but when I was a kid watching the show it's so dumb i'm not dumb because he's amazing i was like fixated with kevin mckale uh-huh because i knew that he was an amazing dancer

and he has like already has the moment where he gets out of he has like a dream sequence and he does um safety dance and he gets to really go in and kevin was in a boy band called nlt yeah i think i remember this stands for not It stands for Not Like Them. I asked him the first time I met him. I was like, NLT. And he was like, oh my God, please. And I started singing like one of his riffs. And he was like, I'm so embarrassed.

Like, I don't want to do this with you. Like, please stop. But it's so funny. Like, when I first came to LA, I like played some random event that a bunch of people were at. And two of the people who were there, who were like the celebrities that were there, which was exciting to me as like a 20- old gal of not knowing anything about anything was sophia bush who i had been obsessed with sophia bush who i was obsessed with as a teenager and still i'm friends with and i'm

completely in love with her like i i she is one of my favorite people on the planet soph in um john tucker must die was like a sexual awakening for me when her and britney kiss yeah i was like i'm sorry what I'm sorry, what'd you say? Maybe. What'd you say? So like that was a moment and then I was obsessed with Kevin and his dance moves at NLT and at this weird event

that I played the first time I came to LA, Soph and Kevin were the two celebrities that were there. That's funny. And I was like, I called you here.

I cast a spell and brought you to me here because like, how many celebrities are in this fucking town? Yeah. Kevin is hot as hell too. Kevin is hot as shit.

And Glee, Glee had him in the chair and like with the glasses on and the sweaters. And I'm like, Kevin is hot as hell. Yeah. And he've danced. We have, we have like,

that's one of my favorite, like a house party with Kevin, with Kevin McHale. Like put the, put the tunes on me and Kev are like on the dance floor. Oh, sign me up. I want to watch this having a good time yeah i'll just stand and watch i'm gonna stand to the side with a cocktail i'd like to watch some of us just hey the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh.

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Tragically, we have to do I Don't Think So, Honey. Okay. I'm prepared. Anna told me all about it. Oh, my God. Please. We are excited to hear

your rendition of I Don't Think So, Honey, which, by the way, for everyone at home who's living under our goddamn rock, it's our one-minute segment where we take something in pop culture and absolutely drag it living under our goddamn rock it's our one minute segment where we take something in pop culture and absolutely drag it through the damn mud so it's absolutely filthy wet and muddy and disgusting um and shamed um so i do have i actually came up with one during

the episode i have one that just came to me we had a guy i said a couple that i was like maybe i should pin that but i came in with one. No I literally have one. Okay great. Okay. Are you timing? I'll time it. I'll go first then it'll be me

and then it'll be Betty. This is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey and his time starts now. I don't think so honey TikTok. I don't know what the fuck it is

layout wise I actually don't understand it and I actually don't need something else that I'm gonna die on every single day for hours and hours

like my brain will turn to slush now i hear that it's a requirement for talented artists such as our guest to get a fucking record deal if they go pop off on tiktok also what does that require like that they have some sort of like pithy little lyric in there that's like not even coming from the soul of the artist it just has to be in there to pop off on the 30 seconds i seconds. I don't think so, honey. Listen, I'm on Instagram, and if that's my 31 gonna turn 32 in several weeks deal, that's fine. I have my poison of choice.

Don't assign me culture. I'm talking to you at large. This new thing that's gonna- 15 seconds. Decrepitize my soul. New word I created. Hey! TikTok, I understand you do a cute little dance move,

but guess what, bitch? Some of you need to rehearse a little bit more. Rehearsal. And also, these white girls stealing stuff from black artists on TikTok, I don't think so, honey. You. And that's one minute. Wow, and that's time. That was great. That was perfect. My energy, just watching you

get riled right now, I am like... I've been sitting on it since you said that you needed a song to pop off on TikTok. You need to make a toddler dance in order to get a record deal. That is truly dark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was talking to someone, I'll say off air, but they were saying that their label was requiring them to start a TikTok.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or they wouldn't promote the music. They are holding people's marketing budgets hostage until they start to activate their their tiktok engagement another thing about tiktok too is just like i don't think i have the app space like this thing yeah it's crazy how many times i'll be told by my phone that my phone my phone has like had enough with me so many times i'm like okay what do i delete and then like i figure out what i have to delete and it it's like, these apps are be taking up space. I was trying to make like a sweetie, like let's go.

I was trying to make one of those videos. And the TikTok editing features are actually not up to par. It is so like TikTok crashing in the middle of editing something and being like an inconvenient edit. I'm like, I'm too old. I'm busy. I'm too old for this. I have a job that I have to do things for. Yet this is going to take me six hours

to make a fucking video that nobody will watch. And then I'll feel worse about myself than before I did it. And I'm like, this is what my team thinks I should be doing. Like, absolutely not. It's just crazy that like, I don't know. I always have considered myself like pretty good with

well actually no I'm not good with tech you know I'm not good with tech but you're on top of the culture I'm on top of the culture and the basics of it all but like I can't figure out my switch

oh I'll help you I'm a switch bitch switch bitch this one got me one for okay switch bitches what's your game are you a Mario Kart queen what's your

of course yeah who's not I know you've gotta be I think playing the new Pokemon I'm like I dip it in now when I can okay what's your game? Are you a Mario Kart queen? Of course! Yeah, who's not? I know. You've got to be, I think. Playing the new Pokemon. I'm like, I dip it in now when I can. Okay. What's your, like, go-to group party game? Mario Party. We have Mario Party and Mario Kart.

Mini games, or what's the deal? We'll do the board sometimes, we'll do the mini games. Because the board is an hour commitment. It's full, too. The board is, like, an amazing way to pass time. I love the board, but I don't love that you can't play with less than four players.

So that the computer, so you're sitting there waiting for the computer to go and you're like, get over it. You can't just do it. Nintendo spots for us. Sure thing.

There should be a thing where you don't have to watch their turn. Just like skip their turn. Just skip. Okay, so Bo and Yang, do you have it out on TikTok? I do, I do.

Oh, fuck yeah, okay. I thought we all were talking smack about TikTok. I thought that was all of ours. Imagine we all in a circle did the same one. Okay, Bo and Yang, do you have it out on TikTok? I do, I do. I thought we all were talking smack about TikTok. I thought that was all of us. Imagine we all in a circle did the same one. Okay, Bowen Yang, are you ready? I'm ready. Well then, in that case, this is Bowen Yang's,

I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Sugar Fina. What are you doing? Like doing peach bellini gummies, fucking champagne gummies. Don't put alcohol in candy.

Champagne problems. Champagne problems, but it's a real problem that's affecting the youth because any child can go up to the Grove and buy Sugarfina, you know,

alcohol gummies and get wasted and then crash a car into a damn family walking down the street. Oh my God, so visceral. And hit your hole

what's getting behind the wheel. Yes, well, Sugarfina's killing our children. 30 seconds. Okay? And me because all I want is just a simple Sour Patch Kids adjacent candy,

and I'm not going to be able to get that at Sugar Fina when they're trying to sell me on, like, fancy stuff that comes in a hard glass box. No. 15 seconds. Plastic whatever it is. I don't think so, honey, Sugar Fina. Why you got to be at every weird fucking mall

across the country? Why can't you just have like a little vending machine situation going on at various buildings? At JFK. Thank you so much. I don't know about alcohol-themed, flavored candy.

That feels like exposing the kids to something they should have to wait for. It's like a vape adjacent. It's very that. And like I said it's killing your children. And killing you because you're so obsessed clearly. That was a little bit of that I don't think so honey flavor

where it's like I hate this because I love this. I did because I was at the Grove yesterday and I did buy I knew it. I did buy the sugarfina lips. No alcohol in them. Delicious. Yeah. See I knew it. When they get it right they get it right. The sugarfina is like the clear boxes the clear boxes that's like a gift basket go-to there's often there's like when i play like a pride and the hotel the hotel leaves a pride

basket for me it's always a champagne flavored like fucking sugarfina but then i eat the champagne candy and i go this feels wrong it's getting party favor yeah yeah not even that it's just like this this doesn't this is not it's like why didn't you just give me a bottle of champagne and some gummy This feels wrong. It's getting party favor. Yeah. Not even that. It's just like this, this doesn't, this is not. It's like, why didn't you just give me a bottle of champagne and some gummy bears? I would have enjoyed either of those things.

Exactly. More than this combo that nobody wants. That nobody wants. Yeah. I would never, it's that thing of like, I would never think to put champagne flavor with that gummy thing. It's like, but I guess whoever did it is a rich girl.

Cause here we are talking about it. And you know, you're that bitch when you cause all this conversation, as Beyonce said. And what would Beyonce do? She would say that. Oh my God. Listen, it's actually your turn.

That actually just sparked something in me, and I'm going to let the mood take me there. Oh my God. Okay, so this is, I can't believe I'm saying this, Betty Who's I Don't Think So Honey, and her time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey,'s I don't think so, honey. And her time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Whoever has the audio of Beyonce, Solange, and Jay-Z in the elevator. I know it exists. It has been years. We deserve it. We have a right to it. And I am demanding it. The people are ready. I think it's been enough time jay-z and beyonce

are doing fine yes they're doing fine she is looking more gorgeous and fabulous than ever what does it matter to her it matters to us it matters to us the people and i just think that it's honestly fucking selfish and i i'm gonna write a letter about it i could if i if i shall if i if i'm feeling so uh actually jacked up enough to do it. And I honestly think that Solange actually should speak out. 15 seconds. I'm waiting for a note. The fact that it was just like so,

it was a huge cultural moment. And then everybody was like, we love to forget. Full circle. Hollywood loves to forget. And I just do not believe that this is something we should stand for. Forgetting.

It's time. Reveal yourself. And that's one minute Oh my god Because it's not enough To have the acknowledgement Of some What is it

Of course shit goes down When there's a billion dollars On an elevator No we want to know What went down And specifics please Specifics please I want the audio

Yeah Do elevators Do elevator videos have audio At the Met they fucking do Yeah Sure At the Met they fucking do You know what I mean You forget that was the Met It was do yeah sure at the Met they fucking do you know what I mean

you forget that was the Met it was right I'm not wrong the way shit pops off at the Met ball like the Cardi and Nikki fight wait that's fucking crazy

you just reminded me because Ms. Yang turned herself out at the Met who me you did

I didn't go to the Met what were you at that had this oh no Emmys Emmys I'm a stupid bitch he almost he was invited I was did. I didn't go to the mat. What were you at that had this? Oh, no. Emmys. Emmys. I'm a stupid bitch.

He almost, he was invited. I was invited, but I couldn't go. We were shooting the movie. We were shooting the movie. I was invited, but I couldn't go. No, but see. Fire Island? This movie. Yes, this is Fire Island, baby.

Which I'm so excited about, by the way. Oh, my God, Betty. I can't wait. I think you're going to like it. I played one of the gayest shows of my life on Fire Island. That is like, there are no places that I'm actually famous except for like West Hollywood, Chelsea, and Fire Island. I'm just going to literally throw this out i'm famous

i'm throwing this out into the ether that you should do a song on the soundtrack but oh for fire island i should do the fucking theme song i should write a song called fire island literally i will i will pay you personally i'm saying like someone call me i will literally i will literally i'm wondering if they can pay you what you deserve but like oh never absolutely not never that's writers don't get, absolutely not Riders don't get paid, you know that Riders don't get paid what they deserve That's hysterical I'm just saying, that has an opportunity to be an iconic soundtrack

And I feel you must be on it Yeah, absolutely Guys, I hate that it feels like we're wrapping up Because I hate that you have other friends who aren't me I hate that I have to leave I hate that this is the first time we're meeting Are we getting a dinner? What's going on?

This is the beginning. This is the beginning. And honestly, like, this is the most auspicious first meeting. It truly, the fact that you even, like, were down to come do this. Hey, excuse me. Could you shut the fuck up? Of course. You are successful, fabulous people who I should be so lucky to come spend time with it is my pleasure

yeah but you are our fit you match the fuck up you're right i'm just i'm being rude when i say you know what i haven't said which i've been meaning to i keep being like i've got it i've got to bring this up may i comment on the i don't know what you're saying piercing blue that your eyes are giving in the blue shirt thank you so much you know i bought that with that intention no i do this us with beautiful blue eyes we make choices sometimes and with the right shade of the right cyan whatever we've got going on a cerulean perhaps yeah i think we're giving cerulean it will just and you are just like i'm thanking you i have to say it's like it's that thing of you know when you get your you have your color like

we all know what our colors are and it's like it's it's it's a violet I love love that it's a violet it's gonna be good yeah but it's like you know when you find your color and then you're you're shopping as you're want to do maybe you're in the grove like bow and yang yesterday and um you're sort of like you find an item and you realize i'm fucking obsessed with this and i have to leave with it i can't leave without it but then you realize oh i have 900 of these in my closet like i have so many blue shirts i have so much like of that things in that family green is also a thing for me like blue green like really that's mine i don't know why the fuck i said violet keep going keep going i think it's because you just wanted to say the word violet

instead of purple. You said it with a kind of gusto that I really like. He just wanted to say violet. If you will, that I really enjoy. He chose violet with that one. Bonyang chose violet today. That's kind of iconic. Woke up and chose violet.

Bonyang woke up and chose violet. That is so dumb. Woke up and chose violet is title of app. Woke up and chose violet. Betty's laughing. Betty's laughing. chose violet woke up and chose violet is title of app woke up and chose violet but we i have to say we really chose violet with this episode we popped all the way off and chose violet um i'm i'm really i'm so happy to meet you and i'm like i know we when he said that you were gonna like time is enough he said he said like we have, we had studio time. He was like, let's ask Betty. We've been wanting to. And it's got to be in person. Yeah, I really, so I have a group chat with my best girlfriends called Sissies.

And I texted, I hit Sissies being like, guys, I'm going to do Las Colcheras. And they were like, are they going to be there in person? And I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah. And then I was like, oh oh i might walk in and it's like a compute like it's like they're on zoom and i'm going in to be alone in this room and i was really i was like genuinely i walked up being like hey babe it's gonna be okay if they're not there don't be too disappointed it'll happen one day so this is genuine i was like i'm freaking jacked up guys we wouldn't have had it any other way truly Truly, truly, truly. Huge. I mean, this is... I can't say enough.

It's too much. I'm going to cry all day. It's too much. You are the best. You are the one. I'm so excited for what's happening, what's going on. Me too. And it's just the begin.

Wow. And you know, we do end every episode with a song. Oh, somebody loves you. Let's go. Somebody misses you. Hey, they know the lyrics. You're a way. They want to wake up with you every day. Ooh, somebody loves you Ooh, somebody misses you And you're away They wanna wake up with you every day Ooh, somebody

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