Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "You Can't Tell Me Anything" (w/ Trixie Mattel)

Episode Date: January 20, 2021

Alright, well! It's a moment in Las Cultch history, readers, as the one and only Trixie Mattel joins Matt & Bowen to discuss Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the traumas and dramas of keeping a pet alive, submitting to the lifestyle that is watching 90 Day Fianceé and only 90 Day Fianceé, the power of Ms. Mojo, the new season of Drag Race, Cyberpunk 2077 and Michelle fucking Branch. That, and obviously more! Watch Trixie as host of Drag Race recap show The Pit Stop on YouTube and check out her podcast with Katya, The Bald and the Beautiful. Name another legend. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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like high comedy that just happened that's sort of like bowen forgot to run his audio and he did the whole counts on everything we said the words ding dong felt like a gag from the dick van dyke show or something it felt like wandavision oh that felt like wandavision

are you watching yes ladies and gentlemen welcome to the stage wandav like wandavision are you watching yes ladies and gentlemen welcome to the stage wandavision wandavision okay we don't know who that is that voice from beyond uh we'll get to that i don't know yet no one reads the titles before they listen no one kristin stewart tell me what you thought about wandavision supposedly um all of the reviews that are coming out are saying nothing happens in the first two episodes it's all set set up. And I'm like, I get that. But I also, right. But I also love the fact that you have Elizabeth Olsen turning into a really good performance.

She's so good. Martha May, Martha, like that. I didn't seem that either. But you know, what we both saw and loved was Ingrid Goes West. Ingrid Goes West. She's so fucking good. She's so fucking good. goes west she's so fucking good and so fucking good and also she's so talented and i said to you you should pitch her to host snl because i bet she would

turn it well you you bet your ass while katherine han and tiana paris were on screen with elizabeth i was like let me text someone at work right now and be like you guys got to reach out to elizabeth and when bowen yang texts, it gets sent. All right, here's the deal. She actually is really fucking good. And Catherine Han is perfect every time. When has she not been perfect? I can't tell you.

I cannot tell you. Ever since Step Brothers, ever since Anchorman, the scene in Anchorman where Christina Applegate like nails her first time anchoring solo. Yes. And they cut to like the women in the office cheering her. Catherine is on the side

being like, you, you. Yeah, yeah, you in the pointing. Also, that performance is so good

and she killed it in the eh, meh thing. Yeah. And of course, Step Brothers we love. But you know what shook me? I Love Dick.

No, go ahead. No, I actually didn't watch I Love Dick. Sorry, Amazon. But you know what shook me i love dick no go ahead no i actually didn't watch i love dick sorry amazon um but you know what shook me so hard like an earthquake you know how an earthquake shakes you often yeah this shook me almost equally so so when revolutionary road came out i like was sitting for like you know this like bracing drama and then there was katherine hunn serving up suburban domesticity the repression was real but still funny and charming and then she was Catherine Han serving up suburban domesticity the repression was real but still funny and charming and then she has like a crying scene at the end where we love which we

love she can legitimately do it all and just to see her step into this like because I thought Elizabeth Olsen was doing like 50s sitcom of it all well and then she comes in and was so that like sort of Ethel in uh I Love Lucy supporting character woman. That it just, sorry, I Love Lucy. That she just rocked in that. She can do everything. Everything. I feel like we've talked about this and this is true, like boomer leanings on the show coming at you.

But like, I do feel sad for the youth today. That they haven't seen it. Yeah. Or who just aren't like guided towards that. Like the algorithm never like surfaces that stuff up to them. Anyway, who cares? Well,

this is what we'll say to our very Gen Z crowd. Please seek out. I love Lucy. You will love this. It's a great show. It's got this woman. Oh, it's fabulous.

Oh, it's fabulous. It's got a woman. That's all you need to know. It's got a woman. Okay. Speaking of women, um,

we got a fucking hell of a woman on the show today this is actually bowen our guest doesn't know this or i would be hard-pressed to believe that if they come on in a second and be like no i knew that that they were telling the truth this is not our first interview with the guest our first interview this is not our first interview and you barely remember too when we were working at vulture what was that thing the room you booked in the East Village? What was that app called? Oh, I booked a breather.

Oh my God, breather. Yeah, we booked a breather for our interview with Trixie Mattel, who the night prior had been crowned the winner of All Stars 3 and got on and did a 20 minute interview on the phone with Trixie Mattel. And we were like sort of skittering,

tittering around the room, all nervous because it was the Trixie Mattel. We were like, oh skittering, tittering around the room all nervous because it was Trixie Mattel. We were like, oh my god, Trixie, congrats. We were truly supplicants. Supplicants and gagged. We were simply suppling. So I just remembered that the other day. It feels like another lifetime ago.

I mean, this is a guess that I think probably was aspirational the entire time we've been doing the podcast and then we thought, well, we can't ask because she'll never say yes. Never, never. Literally, bitch. And there's that cackle. The cackle that we love.

Why do you think people are always like, I feel like, girl, you're just everywhere right now. I'm like, because I say yes to everything. Because it's easy to guess. It's going along with things. Yeah, Trixie Mattel, not hard to get. The next special. But wait, so before we sort of bring the the guest in uh the no one knows who it is yet bowen at home they have to hear about the credits i don't know

why they go through like the weird sort of like behind the curtain stuff of like let's not bring in our guest yet i i feel like we can experiment with the form going forward and i think tricksy is like pushing us to that better place like don't you think the readers know who the guest is when they tap on the damn episode. I just want to put that out there. I like the pump and the circumstance and in, in keeping with the pump and the circumstance, let me say this truly disgusting,

offensive list of credits and this, and I'm going to do it because this is psychotic. I love shit like this, by the way. I know people are supposed to be like, I'm embarrassed. I it because this is psychotic. I love shit like this, by the way. I know people are supposed to be like, I'm embarrassed. I love it. Let me hear how great I am. I know you love it. It makes me a combination of proud and mad to say that Trixie Mattel, who has the Guinness

record for world's skinniest human woman in North America, has, after competing on season seven of RuPaul's Drag Race, went on to, as probably the audience well knows, win Drag Race All-Stars 3. But that's only a small part of the story, Bo and Yang, as you know. And we talked last night after a rewatch of Moving Parts, the Netflix documentary starring Trixie Mattel, that it's so rare that we have, yes, this Drag Race contestant that's a successful Drag race contestant, but

then what they've done outside the show so dwarfs that. I mean, incredible singer-songwriter, comedian, and drag icon. I have to tell you, after giving Barbara the album that was released last year, A Few More Spins, I went online. I was like, I wonder if this is on vinyl. It is on

vinyl. It's coming tomorrow. I ordered it. The other albums, Two Birds and One Stone, you can stream them all on Spotify or you can order the goddamn vinyl like I did. I'm so excited. And don't forget the Moving Parts soundtrack, which has songs that are exclusive to the documentary.

That too. And as they say in the community, say that. You might also know or not know that our guest is actually a New York Times bestselling author along with Katya, their comedy partner. Trixie and Katya's Guide to Modern Womanhood is available now. You may also know them from the Trixie and Katya show from Viceland, the web series, and the podcast The Bald and the Beautiful also with Katya Zamolodchikova. We mentioned the Netflix documentary Moving Parts earlier. She's also the CEO of Trixie Cosmetics and

hosts this season of The Pit Stop on the Drag Race YouTube channel and he happens to be gay. He happens to be gay. The most recent episode of The Pit Stop was really interesting. Yeah, because there was some tension.

We don't have to get into it. But there was some tension. I love, she. We don't have to get into it. But there was some tension. Priyanka, I love. She's such a messy bitch. I really love it. The way she was like, we'll talk about it. But anyway. Everyone, welcome into your ears.

Trixie Mattel. Oh my God. I am so privileged. I just love you both so much. We love you. You gotta stop. It's so fun. I just love listening to you both.

I love all your POVs. I think you are equal parts critical of things in culture and you equal parts try to see it all different ways I just love you both and Bowen

I have to say your voice is just like it's so chocolatey and like I don't know something no it's so relaxing no

it's so relaxing we're not doing this you really are becoming a sex icon and people have been noticing sort of around the world that you're a sex icon. And it's really wonderful to see. Thank you.

But you're both very, very attractive. And something about Bowen's voice. Because Matt usually hit the hysterics, the highs and lows. They're singing. And then it'll be silent. And Bowen will come in like, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. And it's like, oof. I just want to take a shower in that.

That sound. I would say that Bowen is the Trixie and I might be the Katya. The beauty of Trixie and Katya is that any duo can sort of like trade off the identities. That's my opinion. That's, well, yes, totally. It's sort of like a reverse because I'm sort of the straight man in that relationship.

And she's the wackadoo. Even though she looks normal and i look beautiful gorgeous gorgeous but um she's just hard to pin down because her pov on most things is very like logical and then sometimes she'll peak you'll she'll she'll lift the veil a little bit on a life experience and you're like wow yeah yeah what is wrong with you? Like, yeah. The inside is like, so bracing. Right. Like there's one episode where I was like, did you ever have a pet that died?

And she goes, I had a lizard that I burnt. And you're like, what? What? What? Oh my God. Oh,

wait. Do you, have you had or ever had a pet that died? No, they all live forever. No, I mean, I'm real country. so our pets are here for a good time not a long time you know it's like like like uh checkers back leg stop working but the vet is so

far away like yeah get the gun i'm sorry it is very that i know that's awful but that's what country people do with their pets i'm sorry this is actually a question i often think like with the whole putting pets down of it all not that not that i'm like not that i understand a reality which is let's take it out back that is very country but the thing is like i've seen people like let their animals live on well beyond their years and the dog will literally be dragging its hind legs up the stairs and i'm like girl this is not an existence oh my i have my boyfriend's mom has a dog that is named alola that literally lives as like a muffin in a basket like under a blanket like a newborn like do you

guys want to see it okay we'll everyone look quick and we'll put it back in a cage for three like it's just trying to live in the dark like this i'm like i mean it's a good quality of life i guess if you're a dog aren't you fine with that? Yeah, more leave me alone. There is just an immediate acceptance that you have to lock into. If I'm a pet owner and my dog's hind legs stop working, in order

to not do anything about it, I would have to cope within two milliseconds and be like, yeah, I mean, it's okay. It's fine. It's fine. Let her crawl up the stairs with two front legs. You know what I'm saying? She loves it. She's doing yoga.

No, she does this all the time. Yeah, she's in constant pain. She does this all the time because you allow her to do this all the time. She's doing her bit. That's what she does. Yeah, she does that because she doesn't have another choice.

It's not like fucking, sometimes he drinks a Miller Lite while watching Jeopardy. It's not like a fucking hobby. That's like niche to them. I don't have a pet because I'm always mystified in Los Angeles because the number of people who have dogs, it's the most selfish people alive, but they all have pets. And I'm like, you are the personality type

that needs to take on something to take care of. I really doubt it. I can barely get myself to the restroom sometimes. I'm not going to walk a dog down the street. Are you kidding me? Walking, the commitment. I'm not going to walk a dog down the street. Are you kidding me? Walking the commitment of I'm going to pick up this shit for the rest of my life. Absolutely not.

I will never have a dog in the country. Just let your dog go. It comes back hours later. It went to the bathroom 10 times. It probably killed and fed itself. Like it's very low maintenance, very low maintenance city animal that you want to talk ball and chain jesus christ it's literally a lump on a rope that's attached to you having a pet in those cities acts as a counterweight to like the um egomania that people live with every

day yeah and i also i'm a lifelong vegetarian so this isn't about me not liking animals i almost feel like i love animals so much i'm not getting an animal that has to live 15 years in my apartment yeah no you know it's not the vibe it's barely the quality of life like yeah you wouldn't wish that on another see and then i feel bad though because like another and another what they say the other side of the coin is that if you are someone that is able to care for an animal that needs a home i so i hosted the show called hot dog on hbo max and like we did one episode which was all rescue dogs and it was just like i had to read all these all this copy that was like so many dogs are suffering and it was just like i'm holding the dog like and i'm thinking to myself like at the time i had a boyfriend who had a dog and i was

like i have a fully, I have full capability to take care of one of these animals and they need me. Like I convinced myself in the copy that I was like, I must do this because they live sometimes really short, horrible existences. And then they just die. And it makes me so sad. Like it really tugged at my heartstrings. And so I was like, you know, should I do this because i'm able to and then i was like no because that's not gonna make the dog happier i'm like i don't know it's a whole thing it's a whole thing i mean i don't know i wouldn't get an animal right now period well you travel all the time that's another thing yeah but that's the other thing if i got an animal even if it was

small i'd have to take it on a tour bus and then i'm putting a whole band and everyone out being like there's a dog here yeah but no you can't bring your it on a tour bus. And then I'm putting a whole band and everyone out being like, there's a dog here. Yeah. But no, you can't bring your girlfriend on the tour. You know, I don't know. I'm a little too selfish for all that. There's plants on my patio that literally look like cigarette ashes that I think are alive.

I see my boyfriend like once a week. I'm like, this is a huge commitment. Like I'm just, I got stuff going on. I got, I got, I got, you know, what do you call it? Burners in the thing. I got things. Burners in the thing. Burn got stuff going on. I got, you know, what do you call it? Burners in the thing? I got things in the burner. Burners in the thing. On the burner.

Burners in the thing. You got irons in the fire, burners in the thing. I have a question for Trixie because I feel like you can really educate me and Matt on this. We're new to 90 Day Nation. We're new to 90 Day Fiancé. So am I a little bit. So am I a little bit. Oh, okay.

Are we all in the same relatively like same early like outset timeline on what are you watching right now tricks so i watched season one and two probably uh two years ago and then this during quarantine the last couple months i'm up i'm up through i'm in the middle of seven now of straight up 90 day fiance just yes 90 day fiance got got so the last season was really good it was like like Fernanda and like, what was her name? I haven't, I've only seen season four. Sorry. Nicole, Nicole and Azen. Oh, Nicole and Azen forever.

Crazy, crazy. What I love about the show is this. My boyfriend watches all the housewives. Every reality show, my boyfriend is like the connoisseur, the salt bae of reality shows. He loves reality TV so much that I always make fun of him because I'm like

you found me on your reality TV trophy and then he's like salt bae of reality TV and I'm always like you know re-watching Clueless

for the 80th time like your shows are dumb and then now I'm watching this which is absolutely lower than the low than the low but what I love about it is it's unpredictable, but formulaic.

Yes. It's always like a doughy white guy, like a 17 year old Ukrainian girl. Or it's like a middle-aged mom with two kids and like an 18 year old fitness personal trainer from Brazil. Yeah. And they're always like, oh, this is real. And what I like about it is it is a little inspiring because it is

I would do anything for love because these people truly believe it. They believe it. Whether or not you believe it's right, these people think that they are making worthy

sacrifices for real love and that part of it is kind of inspiring. I mean, I've cried watching that show. Earnestly crying. I have a feeling that I will get there too

because I was watching it last night and within 10-15 minutes of watching it I texted Bowen and I was like, cause I watch all the shit too. Like I watch all the housewives, everything. And then I watched this and I'm like, oh, this is a new level of that shit. Cause I started where Bowen asked me to start, which was before the 90 days season two, which is unfair because I got my seasons mixed up and I've only seen one and three,

but two I'm watching now with you. So I'm on the same track. Huge. All right. So, so basically like it's, it's what I love about it is it's a constant heightened. It's like,

I have never been able to make a relationship work because, well, actually I've had three divorces. I'm 22. I also am pregnant. I, and it's been really hard to get from place to place with my one leg. It's just like constant, like every

scene is a new heighten of insanity. And that's when I met John. He's a criminal from England. It's like, it's constant. It's constantly raising the stakes to where I'm on this couch, like thinking like, maybe I shouldn't smoke anymore because I can't

picture like what's real, what's fake. Like, my reality blurs watching it. Oh, that's, I eat the marijuana gummies and I literally, like, lay like a coffin viewing, like a viewing of the body. Like, angled toward the TV. Open casket while the show is on. Like, angled toward the TV, like, it's real. And what's great about it, too, is you guys obviously watched two and three. I mean, what's her name in Muhammad was the first time the gun really went off with crazy.

Michelle. Yeah. But yes, her and Muhammad. I got a cameo from her. The first day at the, at the wedding when he's like, because of my culture, I will not kiss her. Like, yeah. What? Yeah.

He, you are like, and sometimes it's like, my boyfriend was offended by this. Cause I said, people need self-awareness. If you are a four, get a four. If there's an eight coming into the equation saying, I love you. You're toast.

Put up the, like, there should be some red flags here. Okay. Like there's a reason why I'm not with Ben Affleck. Okay. And there's a, you have to live in,

live in your means. So, but Ben Affleck is, is it for you? No, he's not it for me at all. I just pulled it. Cause like,

that's like who somebody, a lot of people think is really hot. Yeah. Okay. And I told my boyfriend, like we're a good match. Cause I think we're like equally ugly or hot to people. And he's like,

I think my boyfriend wanted to hear like, you're a 10 and I'm so lucky. And I'm like, okay, that's the toxic thinking that puts these 90 day people in these situations. It's a hundred percent true. If you're 50 with a bunch of kids living in Baraboo, Wisconsin,

and like a 17 year old Ukrainian Instagram model says she loves you. Give me a fucking break. Yeah. And also the, but, but you have to, you, you gauge immediately and tell me what you think about this, Bow like you when you once you see from the other so ordinarily they'll open on one

of their perspectives at least this is how before the 90 days is mind you i haven't seen much 90 day fiance but like we'll spend a lot of time with like angela and like we'll get her perspective and about how she's talking to michael who lives in nigeria so angela is like a trumper who's 52 from like the middle of the country and she is showing you pictures that she's received from michael who's her nigerian fiance our boyfriend that she's met she's finally gonna go see him yes she is because remember she brought all that trump memorabilia for michael to wear and he was so excited that's right okay so basically then you get to find you find two episodes three episodes later you meet michael actually in the perspective of he's giving like That's right. That's right. That's right. Yep. Okay. So basically then you get to find, you find two episodes, three episodes later,

you meet Michael actually in the perspective of he's giving like a talking head. And then he says, I'm excited to meet Angela. And they show the pictures that he's received from her. And they look nothing like her. And so I'm like such a common, these people can't see themselves. They can't understand why.

Like, so I guess that's my thing is it's like, whenever I'm talking to someone online or like back in the day, it feels like a hundred years ago when I used to date online, I would always be cognizant of the fact that like, am I showing pictures that when I show up, they're going to recognize as the same person I'm showing? Because there's, it's one thing to think like, I look good in this. And it's another thing to think this is a good picture of me. Exactly.

A hundred percent. Because also when you're online dating, whatever you have to go, this is the best picture of this person. I'm seeing them in their best lighting. I'm seeing them probably five or more pounds ago, probably five or more years ago. Like that's the truth.

And so I also just think, I'm with Matt, you have a responsibility. In one of my first tours, I had this whole standup section about like people need, you aren't doing yourself favors by sending an eight. If you're a six,

send your six pictures. You're not doing yourself a favor at all. Or go under. Give them like one of these. Give them like the, give them like the Forest Whitaker eye. Give them like something. You gotta give them like the, give them like the Forest Whitaker eye.

Give them like something. You gotta give them the forest eye. And then show up with your reveal, like revenge body. You know what I mean? Right, right, right.

It's a rule of culture number 77. You gotta give them the forest eye picture. Gotta give them the, and I say that as someone who is very asymmetrical sides of my face.

Me as well, me as well. But this is, but this is my thing though. Like isn't, we're saying all this is my thing though like isn't we're saying all this as if it's like unique to these people who are warped and who are like completely whose realities are very distorted but it's like but this is just i mean there's a couple things happening here where there's like one um uh uh like it's being it's it's being like filmed and

we're seeing it as the viewer and And we get to like examine that, examine that like from an outside perspective too. It's like, Oh, this is just a more pronounced version of what everyone does, which is like, let me like show, let me show,

like, let me project all of these feelings onto this person that I've ever met. A B let me, um, let me show like the pictures of me that are completely, completely enhanced bogus. Exactly. So I feel like we can relate to these people in some way. Bowen, I think you're 100% right.

Because this show wouldn't be effective if it was, look at the monkeys in the cage we can't relate to. Yeah, right, right. Like, I just watched the season where Jay, this guy from Jamaica, three days after the wedding to this girl cheats on her and she's like I don't know what I'm going to do and I'm like this isn't unique to because you know how straight people feel about cheating give me a break like he cheated it's over

yeah it's so crazy but like Anfisa was it season 4 or 5 Anfisa a woman who likes money, who like, you hate on FISA for being crazy, but also that guy lied to her about how much money he had. Exactly. And then that woman and on FISA exists is a figure in America, is a figure in American

society. Not, it's not even specific to, it's not even specific to Russia. It's not even specific to immigrants. Totally. Nicole Byer says that she's obsessed with the show, and Nicole Byer says part of me is convinced that it's anti-immigrant propaganda. It's not not, but it also doesn't make the Americans look smart ever.

No, no, no, no. It is equal opportunity. It ranks on everybody. There's one couple that I'm watching now on before the 90 days and i'm i'm forgetting but it's it's this he goes to i believe brazil and oh paul and paul and carini oh my god no no it's not okay not paul and carini although the paul and carini stuff is dark because he keeps asking her to get pregnancy tests and it's like really crazy they also don't speak this thing

they do not speak the same language at all he makes no effort to learn portuguese she's trying to learn english but he it's crazy sorry keep going portuguese is so funny yeah it's it's it's wild but it's high comedy did you know in portuguese brad pitt is bradgy pj you're lying i'm not kidding bradji pj bradji pj bradji pj sorry i'll let you sorry matt no no no no this is this is all i want to say and then we can go back to bradji pj and talk about it for an hour and a half um but my my thing on this other couple is that he gets there and he's like i'm in love with her and she doesn't show up for oh it's the one marissa is her name or michelle or something but um it takes her three hours to show up for their first date and he's like there and waiting and waiting when he's like i'm gonna leave this is the worst day of my life and then she shows up

and of course he's in love with her and obsessed um but oh no it's not even them i'm talking about it's another one but the girl says i don't like him he doesn't like his pictures i'm not into it but i want a better life. And I have to say, watching it and seeing where she comes from and seeing what her reality is, I don't not get it. You know what I mean?

Like if I'm her, it's like, if I'm going to get an opportunity to go to America and it's like a legit thing because this guy is legitimately in love with me and like, this is an opportunity for me. I don't begrudge her that.

By the way, I love it. In some of these new episodes, this is an opportunity for me. I don't begrudge her that. By the way, I love some of these, in some of these new episodes, America is in real time, a burning building. It's like 2017 and people are still like, I got to get there. I think I'm gonna like it here. It's like wars and fucking fires. And I will say this too. It makes me think critically about marriage because on TV, we only see marriage for love. And when you think of marriage as honestly more of a business partnership between two people, people get married for all different reasons. If it mutually improves the quality of the life, maybe he just wants a hot girl. And maybe she just wants to get out of the fucking USSR or some shit. If you both win, who are we to be critical of why anyone is married?

That's the thing. The more I watch it, the freak show aspect fell away. And the more I'm like, these two people are trying to find something that works for both of them, whatever it is. And they understand marriage to be functional. Yeah, because in other countries, some of these people, marriage is a little more like it's arranged or the one where the guy had to go to the Philippines or whatever and pay her dowry and to go buy two cows to give her her parents. Like for us to be critical of these people's relationships is to be critical of each society's view on marriage.

And they're not congruent in any way ever. Wow. Thank you. And that's on period. And that's on period. But it's funny, like truly 20 minutes after watching it, I was like, oh my God, these people are insane. And then it slowly did become, no no they're lonely and they want partnership and what's so bad about that

and they're this is a way where they can find it exactly just you wait until the tell-alls which are like the reunions girl it it feels it's even more impactful than like the avengers to me or any crossover event because it's like it's like all of these people all of these people who you are only following in their separate little like stories come together and they interact with each other and you're like what the fuck right Trixie? It's a better crossover event

than Avengers Endgame. Than fucking Avengers Endgame bro. It's fierce and then at the end someone snaps their finger and half of them disintegrate. No. It's very fierce because they will have different opinions. The couples like this one girl was like, yeah, on feces, all women like money on feces up front about it. And you guys grill her for it.

At least she's saying what she likes. Or then they're like, um, like that one guy who was like, uh, how come you, you never say thank you for all the things I do for the baby. And the other guy's like, I watched the season and the whole time I couldn't stop thinking that's your wife and baby. Why do you need you never say thank you for all the things I do for the baby? And the other guy's like, I watched the season and the whole time I couldn't stop thinking, that's your wife and baby. Why do you need her to say thank you? Like, I think it's more validating

because these are first time reality celebrities who have had to deal with comments. And you know, people who've never been on TV before, they're in the comments, they're reading, they're responding. Yeah.

Yeah. They're those people. They learn a lot because they're ultimately in a room for the first time with the only people who can say that they've been through that. Yeah. They're those people. They learn a lot because they're ultimately in a room for the first time with the only people who can say that they've been through that. Yeah.

Exactly. Drag Race is the only reality TV I've seen really besides this. So it's been a good like parlay. This is my first reality show to like indulge in. And I feel like you would love the housewives. You would love the housewives because and now that you've now that you've like broken the seal on 90 day, like you can watch anything. Yeah.

And I know some of the girls. So like I did it. I went to Lisa day, like you can watch anything. Yeah. And I know some of the girls. So like I did, I went to, um, Lisa Vanderpump's house. Sure. Okay. She was super nice and she was super,

super nice. And it was for a thing. And I kind of did have to float that. I knew more about her than I, but then I was like, to be honest, I don't really watch it, which I think she found kind of refreshing.

She was like, sure. Yeah. I mean, my boyfriend is like the slumdog millionaire, like, encyclopedia of housewives. Maybe that's why I find it intimidating is because I've seen some of Salt Lake City because that was new. But I'm like, how am I supposed to start this show 12 seasons in? It's easier than you think.

It's easier than you think. You can actually kind of jump in anywhere you want and, get on the interstate and just like from any point. I will say I used to be like my boyfriend at my boyfriend's house, like whatever, hanging out. I'd be like, you're crazy. That show is so stupid. And like months into our relationship, I'd be like, what did she say to her? Yeah, exactly. Or like, oh, like it slowly invested, you know?

Yeah. It's just about absorption over the long term. When I watch these shows, it's like, I'm just just gonna put this is how i do it with 90 day too it's like i just put it on and it's not osmosis necessarily it's just you guess and yeah yeah yes and but um anyway i think you should i think you can watch anything matt were you gonna say i was just gonna suggest to you how i got into it which is all this is all i did just watch the season of real housewives of new york when breath when bethany returns yeah so bethany is in the beginning and then she leaves for three four seasons to go try to start a reality a talk show of her own rather and do her own spinoffs and

then she comes back to new york and that's where i started and from there i kind of just picked and did whatever i wanted but that was the way i started and I am here today, the woman I am. Yeah, David's been giving me a little bit of a crash course in some of the most iconic reality television. Like during lockdown, we watched Flavor of Love.

I'd never seen it. Flavor of Love. Well, now you know you love New York. There's a purity. There's a purity to that. And I watched I Love New York and I watched The Simple Life,

which I loved. Fabulous. David was watching Top Model, which I watched a few seasons of that with him and I just couldn't believe I'd never seen it. David was watching Top Model which I watched a few seasons of that with him and I just couldn't believe I'd never seen it. Like,

these women are being asked to walk in a line and say, easy breezy beautiful cover girl. And they can't do it. They cannot. Meanwhile on Drag Race,

they're like, today you're going to have to start your mom on fire. And then, like, we have to do so much to win Drag Race. You really do. That surprises me that you had never seen any of that like like and because i'm too pure too pure which which we love but you

had went on drag race after being a fan of drag race or was just because you had done drag for so long or both every drag queen who is not on drag race says they don't watch it but they do yeah and they say they wouldn't do it, but they would. Yeah, of course. I would never do that show, but yes, you would. And so that was really the only reality show I'd ever seen. Which I think is like why I sort of excelled at it a little bit because I didn't have, I didn't know what I was doing.

Like I was just vibing. You didn't have the filter of, I have to be a certain way. Right, exactly. Right. It was like my first time with cameras around. You didn't have the filter of I have to be a certain way. Right, exactly. Right. It was like my first time with cameras around. I didn't know how TVs worked or anything, which is great about reality because that's how you get authentic people to be authentic. It's like you get people from Baraboo, Wisconsin who have a wife from the Philippines. You know?

You don't get more real than that. How was that Priyanka interview? Because I watched it at the pit stop. Because I watched it and I was like, this is like immediately tense from the jump i don't believe that for a second i bet i bet they both knew what the fuck was happening it was fine i think the editing made it seem a little bit like um it was a little bit like bethany amarosa or something yeah yeah okay perfect i knew that the whole i was i literally just watched it earlier today and i was like, they're saying that, but the vibe is good.

The vibe was good, but she made me laugh because obviously she watched me review Canada's Drag Race, which my job is to not shit talk, but tell about everything I don't like about anything. Yeah. So then it's like she's the guest, and she was so nice. But also, I will say, I'm glad she had the balls

to like when she was like I've never seen your season and I get your famous I was like that is so funny yeah she cracked my shit

up I thought she was great also people I guess thought that we were having sexual tension were you? only you can tell us I didn't think we were

but I sometimes seem to be hit over the head with like flirting I never know when it's happening. Like, you know, like a wine mom will have like,

if you're waiting for a sign, this is it. That's what I need with flirting. I need like that big of a sign. I'm like, Oh, Oh, well let me get my pants off.

You know, like I need to know what's going on. Yeah, exactly. I feel like the thing too, with like, like you on the pit stop and like, this is the way that I know,

I know that I felt anyway, Bella, and probably you agree, but like when we were doing the on the pit stop and like this is the way that i know i know that i felt anyway bell and probably you agree but like when we were doing the vulture recaps and like whenever we were doing like an episode of a podcast about drag race that is also entertainment so if i go up there and i'm like i think all the queens are amazing and first of all it's brave that they're going up there especially today when we think it's accepting a nationwide to be gay on television but actually it's really hard it's like no bitch like i'm actually gonna say if i don't like i know i'm not a drag queen and like something you said in the documentary is it's like it doesn't make people an expert on drag no matter what they think it makes them an expert at being a fan of the television show

and i do think i am a huge fan of the television show so i can say that like i think denali is a fucking great performer and her outfits looked whack to me like on this last episode of the show like that and me as a fan of the show who has an opinion on the competition should be able to say that but the discourse around drag race is so heated and crazy and heightened people are so invested it gets me in my head talking about the show because of the way people it's like Stan culture is pop stars and drag race. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sure.

They're really intense and they are fiercely defensive of like the great thing about drag race is probably one of the only shows where multiple people can feel totally different ways about runways, looks, queens based on anything yeah anything like i love olivia so much she could just do okay that week and i'm like olivia oh my god like i

just love who i love so yeah you get in your head talking about it too because i'm i'm in a couple group threads and everyone hates olivia and i'm like i actually think olivia was good like you know what i mean and then like the way it was established in our group that was like we keep calling Utica Queen the jester we just keep calling her jester and like wow jester flopped that jester was a flop but then in this last episode I was like oh the jester kind of

like turned her down for me and I never hold back to either because like especially like with I mean like the fundamentals of drag I will be like that wig is rotted that wig's too flat for your body shape you're 6'4 that's a flat wig why don't you have a shape wrong why are you showing those shoulders and if you're gonna show those shoulders why don't you put makeup on them and it's like people think it's so personal but I'm like

we're critiquing drag yeah it's fun and with drag race there is like a tiered commentary sort of hierarchy to it where it's like the reason people watch like like you know raja and raven like talk about looks and the reason people watch like you host pit stop is because it's like oh you guys have been through this crazy crucible that is the show and so you like people want to hear your input because yeah it's it's different than what me whatever what anyone says on some any random group chat, you know what I mean? Right, and it doesn't mean more and more qualify, but like I've done it multiple times

lost and won, plus Christmas plus Celebrity Drag Race, so like I think I have a bit of an idea of what that, how much heat is really on these people, and I think I'm forgiving in that way, but like if you pull a shit runway or like, I mean, sometimes it's just like, yeah, that's garbage.

I'm not saying you're garbage, but that sucks. And I've worn a lot of garbage on Drag Race. Are you kidding? So like, we've all done it. We've all had bomb runways, like terrible runways. Except not all of us. Some people like Violets of the World. There's people who haven't.

I know. That's kind of frustrating too. But then also the Violets of the World that have bomb runways every single time incredible incredible incredible usually have flop performances and she had some fucking flop performances like like talk about america's next top model not being able to read that's one season seven acting challenge like where it was like it was like a low point you guys we one? The Shakespeare? You guys, we talk about that all the time. Which, by the way, back to rescue animals. Tempest DuJour rescues animals all the time.

Tempest DuJour! She's such an icon. I love Tempest DuJour. I talk to her probably once a month. We're very close. And I called her recently because she rescues dogs and exotic, exotic birds. Good for her. I talked to her recently and she's like,

I'm just kind of down because my toucan got murdered by my rescue dog. And I'm like, Tempest is like at home with like an emu and a toucan just vibing.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah, but it reads. I fucking love Tempest du jour. She had one. She has one of the most memorable entrances. She fucking squirted

at that baby. She's fierce. Yeah, she's fierce. And then and then can i tell you this is just this is just a little like ego stroke but like sent me the nicest message i've ever received tempest sent me like like one of the sweetest dms i'm sorry this sounds so obnoxious but she was like i just wanted to say hi and blah blah blah i was like tempest du jour oh my god i love you literally i'll freak out over any drag queen that's ever been on the show and if julia roberts walks down the street i'm like no that's that's not true but one time i did run into jennifer garner on the street while i was singing for the ride the tour bus i used to work for i was singing a megan trainer lips are moving for a tour bus and jennifer garner walked

by me and was like what and i didn't care at all but then i'll see like fucking um i'll see like the magnolia crawford literally magnolia crawford i would get on my knees and suck cock i swear to god right i magnolia crawford gag like but jennifer garner i don't really care like these queens are everything to me like that's what i'm saying like we could invite like fucking whoever on the show but like we didn't reach out to you because we assume you'd say no you saying like, we could invite like fucking whoever on the show, but like we didn't reach out to you because we assume you'd say no. We were like,

no, she's the most famous person in the world. Why would she want to come on our show? And Strixie and Mattel, she's so busy. I love doing pods and it's one of the only things

they don't have to get in drag for. So I always say yes. And we have the pod, The Bald and the Beautiful, which you people can subscribe to me and Kati every week. You two are truly like on a radio host level.

Just morning show. I just, it's just so quick and sharp. I'm like, wow. You guys are amazing. Next week is our, like COVID Puerto Vallarta special. So I'm very excited.

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but Violet Chowchee is going to be on the pit stop. Oh, nice. If you want to talk about critiquing drag, if you want to talk about somebody who hates everything, I was like crying laughing because I'd be like, what do you think of this look? And she's like, it's not a look. I'm not even going critique it god i fell into one of those wormholes recently

which was like the top 100 best runway looks of all time and it's like miss mojo first of all we have to say miss mojo give it up for miss mojo wait what are we going what are we just watching? It was like Miss Mojo. Top 10 iconic Glee characters. It's like number three, Mr. Shoe. And it's always a white woman who reads the copy and goes, and Trixie worked her pussy, sis. Like, oh, yeah. Who could forget when she's dragged the house down absolutely boots when she slayed. Yeah.

Grab a bucket and a mop with that red ass pussy Trixie Mattel. I don't know the ethnicity of Miss Mojo, but those She's a voice woman. The voice makes me laugh and the idea that that channel exists and we all refer to it at some point. Oh, Miss Mojo is gay culture. That's actually rule of culture number

106. Miss Mojo is gay culture. She is. Miss Mojo is an icon and Miss Mojo is gay culture. She is. Ms. Mojo is an icon and Ms. Mojo was getting a Kennedy Center honors if I have anything to say about it. Ms. Mojo was actually originally the cast of,

she was originally the host of Drag Race. Ms. Mojo's Drag Race. Ms. Mojo needs to come on as a guest judge. We need to finally see her face. Oh my God. Wait, but what I was saying was like,

it was like it was like a top 100 best looks and like of course the number one was you already know it was when violet violet came back for the season for the season eight finale and the crown was in her head i was like you can never no one could ever touch this and like so many of her looks like the iconic fucking cinching of that waist like yeah with ariana grande as the guest judge that was so good we had her on the pod and she was uh go listen to it because she was talking about um how much she hates kids in drag which is so fierce because you know if i say it uncancelled violet's like a child in a wig give me a fucking break right and. And then she was talking about,

um, like when Violet does like corporate gigs and they're like, well, how about you are a little less sexy or like how, and Violet will literally tell these corporate people I'm going to do what I'm going to do. And you can record it while it happens or not, but I'm not changing anything.

And Violet has like so much conviction about like, I didn't start doing drag to have anybody tell me anything. A hundred percent. Which I just, she's like my idol in that way um people really think she's kind of an ice cold bitch but it's just because she's really unflinching about like i didn't start doing drag to answer to any of you yeah 100 no not that makes sense to me i love her she inspires me oh yeah you you have to admire someone who like will never, ever, ever, um, get on the back heel with like some beta cuck energy. It's like, Oh,

you will always, always, always drive. Yeah. Whatever. She is a little bit like, um, she's,

she's a little bit frosty though. Like one time I saw her on tour and I was like backstage with her and I was like, uh, I really liked your number. And she's like, thanks. And I was like,

I just love the outfit too. Everything you've been doing has been so great. It's like pause. And I'm like staring and she was like, I just love the outfit too. Everything you've been doing has been so great. It's like pause. And I'm like staring and she's like, I liked that one picture of you. Like trying to get her to say one nice thing. She was like, oh, picture of you. Yeah. She was like exhausted.

She's like, oh, fine. I liked that one picture of you. So funny. Oh my God. Okay. So I think it might be time to ask the question bo oh yeah oh my god i can't believe we haven't asked we've just been carried away by the art of conversation um but it is time because this is what we do on the podcast we ask everyone except margaret cho

because we got too nervous what was the culture tricksy mattel that made you say culture was for you hmm uh probably probably buffy the vampire slayer wow okay here we go just because it was that made you say culture was for you? Probably Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Wow. Okay, here we go. Just because it was horror and camp and comedy and very moving. Yeah. It just made me think about

what something on TV could make me feel and think about the world and what was possible. And it just changed a lot for me, I think. I don't know why. Probably just because I saw it when I was a teenager and i was like oh this is like and i didn't think about what that show is and think about how hard it would have been to pitch in the room this is based off a show that a movie that flopped like what um that was that was up

there for me and probably the rocky horror picture show I know that's kind of tired, but seeing somebody vibrate between genders and gender expressions and using it for power was like, oh, there's something there. You know what I mean? Totally. Yeah. I will just come right out and say that Buffy has been tough for me

because 70% of the guys who've dumped me are Buffy heads. Are Sarah Michelle Gellar. Are Sarah Michelle Gellar. It's just Sarah Michelle Gellar. Are David Boreanaz. I'm just like, I have a hard time watching because I think of all these men.

That's so weird. You constantly date Buffy stans? They happen to be Buffy stans. And I'm like, what is this about me? Okay, so decolonize your mind, Bo and Yang. They all look completely different. You,

the demographics, there's no like common demographic except that they're gay men or who are attracted to gay men. And it's like, wait a minute, you all love Buffy

and you've broken my heart? This is crazy. There's got to be something with the show. They've driven a stake through your heart even. They have. It's just,

I feel like people talk about like the Sopranos changed television I think Buffy's a little under celebrated for that and you have to think like Buffy was doing

if we want to talk drama and acting they were doing what every dramatic show could do like they were going that deep and they were adding

fight sequences like Hollywood level special effects every week yeah CGI she was turning it out too she really was the sandwich I've known for 7 years learned all those scripts Hollywood level special effects every week. Yeah. A CGI. She was turning it out too.

She really was. The Sandwich of Gone for seven years, learned all those scripts like every week. Like what? She's underrated for sure. It's amazing. She doesn't have an Emmy. And then I was just talking about this, like Scream,

like the fact that Neve Campbell doesn't have like Oscars on Oscars for that. I'm like, because, you know, for women, especially you have to play a certain sort of, Oh, this is the role you take when you want an award.

Because if there's anything spooky or anything funny, we don't respect it. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Well, we talk all the time about how like, there's no world where it's untrue that Rachel McAdams is deserving of an

Oscar for Mean Girls. I mean, she created a character that will live on forever and fucking nailed it and made the movie by doing what she did. I could say likewise, Alicia Silverstone in Clueless. There was really no one else who could have done it like that. And I think the same is to be said for Buffy the Vampire Slayer with the Emmys. It's just they still do it.

Now they're sort of coming around, but it's really more the sort of prestige cable networks that can get fantasy stuff nominated like Game of Thrones. But something on the CW is just never really going to break through or the WB at that time because the genre thing scared them away. Meanwhile, like Sarah Michelle Gellar was doing an iconic performance that has stood the test of time. And it feels like at that time, they couldn't see it, whether it was the genre of it all,

whether it was she was young, whether it was wherever the whether it was she was beautiful it was based on a flop like i don't know what it was but it feels like they didn't take it seriously right and if you look at the quality of the work truly the range the depths the way she played that all like every part of that show was supernatural of course but like human life relatable all the time. And it just wasn't celebrated enough. And I think about that sometimes, but stuff like that gives me hope. Like when I hear, I always talk about like a Joan Jett pitched, I love rock and roll to 23 record labels. And they all said, no, it's not a hit. No one will like it. Yeah. Wow. Like I love Romy Michelle. One of my favorite movies, Lisa Kudrow wrote that 10 years before. And then after

doing friends and getting famous, she took it to the market again and it got bought. Some things are just timing related. It's just not fair. But RuPaul has 35 Emmys and Sarah Michelle Gellar doesn't have one for Buffy. And I love Drag Race. I think it's important. Redistribute the wealth of awards.

Take one of RuPaul's Emmys and give it to Sarah Michelle Gellar. Don't even change the nameplate. Give one to Charisma Carpenter. Hello. I literally feel, though, like, with the Emmys and shit like that, like, once you win one for a certain role, I think you should move on. Like, you've won an Emmy for the part. Move on. Because I feel like it's boring. And I fucking love Julia louis dreyfus

like don't get me wrong i think she does deserve to win every time she gets nominated but when um she is nominated every single year and wins and wins and wins and wins same thing with like brian kranz and for breaking bad like we know already let's like move on and celebrate something else i always feel like that when something wins for one role every single year or when one show wins every award in a year like this year with schitt's creek like you can't tell me that it was the only comedy deserving of the awards it's just what's breaking bad was a serve bob tried to get me to watch that for forever and i was like it's just like a bald white guy with math like i got that at home you know what I mean? But then when I watched it,

I was like, this is amazing. I can't believe that show, how they made the first season feel so high stakes and you go, where could they go from here? This was crazy. Oh, forget it.

And by the end of it, like him, I mean, it was sobbing, sobbing. I mean, crazy. That's how I also felt about,

um, I don't know. I've rewatched a lot of trash during this year and I rewatched True Blood again and I was like Kaj and I were both rewatching it we were both rewatching it and every time I watch it and finish it I'm still not sure I liked it but I watched it

it's mostly I don't want to say trash that's not fair why don't you just say it well no it's just pulpy it's just like you have such recency bias with that show. Like, you only... All that matters is what you just saw,

like, 10 minutes ago. Mm-hmm. Because it was so fast. True Blood, I think, is one of the best shows that's been on in the past couple decades. I honestly think it's like... It literally... Trixie walked away.

But... Wait, would you disagree? Yes! It's like... That's like saying Chilling Adventures of Sabrina Trixie walked away but wait would you disagree? yes it's like that's like saying Chilling Adventures of Sabrina is one of the best shows no it's not

and you're a cunt first of all that's not true this is why I think it's good because it was supposed to be Pulp and Camp and it really was

like even when it was horrible it was horrible with purpose. They got like the finest New York stage actors to come be on this trash show. Like Rutina Wesley, you cannot tell me.

Incredible. She serves in that show. Unbelievable. And also like they got like Evan Rachel Wood, like coming in for a minute. Fucking Dennis O'Hare. Dennis O'Hare deserved an Oscar for playing

for playing his role on that show when not an Emmy unbelievable an Oscar he deserved the first person

to Oscar for a TV show did I say Oscar yes okay yes I stand by what I said but like truly shocking

television that you're like what but that was the point and that was what it was supposed to be and it delivered on that the whole time yes it got shitty towards the end but so does everything else don't tell me in Grey's Anatomy's 80th season that like True Blood wasn't good like after it fucking did it six seasons and was like we're out I it was good and honestly I had never

the way that they used like being a vampire or like Hep V to talk about things like HIV and race and, you know, God hates fangs. Like, come on. Like the way that they creatively made all that happen. I did like it. I've watched it in my life through twice. So I can't have hated it. No, season two and three are really good. Like the Sarah Nuland of it all.

Yes. The Sarah Nuland. And a camp on that show. Love her.. Girl and fucking Jason Stackhouse could snap my throat. Oh my God. Yeah. We talked about it. We talked about it recently. Eyes popped out like

dead. Yeah. He's hot. What happened? We were like, what happened to him? It is one of those shows kind of like Looking where the main character was the least likable. Looking, I mean, Looking was like what was the main character where he's like, am I a top or bottom i'm like aren't you 35 how do you not know that he's literally that was that my problem with that bowen did you watch looking i never watched it well you're you missed it it's fine bowen it's fine yeah yeah it's fine and my problem with it though

is the exact what you're saying it's like you're you're in the show quote unquote 30 years old you look like jonathan groff you live in san francisco have for years you're in the show, quote unquote, 30 years old. You look like Jonathan Groff. You live in San Francisco, have for years. You're a successful person with friends that go out. You go out all the time and you haven't figured out like what lube is. Girl, that's the thing. I didn't buy it. You know what I mean? And I thought like if they made that character 25, I would buy that because like i was one of those gay men who at 25 like

didn't know how to have sex like i i get it like sometimes yeah i'm still like no but like it's just kidding everyone i really know how to fuck um um but no um but um anyway uh that's i didn't buy that show for that reason i was like jonathan groff has ridden thousands of dicks i know it um and probably even tried out topping once or twice yeah and i will say back to true blood too what made that show work is in when i was in school for musical theater they talked about acting realistically in unrealistic circumstances. And in True Blood, they committed to these deeply unrealistic. They played everything like it was real.

The acting in that show is so good. It is. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. It is. Girl, Jessica, that bitch makes me cry every two episodes. Debra Ann Wohl,

the queen Debra Ann Wohl. The queen. Pam, are you girl Pam? Kristen Van Bauer Stratton. So good. Folks, Matt is just rattling this off. I was a huge fan. Well, those are our guests today.

I'm just kidding. The way that Pam starts is like a bitch and then the more you learn her backstory like being with the mother of a brothel you're like oh

that's what would make someone a bitch like that you know yeah she was turned into a vampire before her time really they all have edges I didn't mean to come in here

and talk about True Blood but no I'm thrilled that you did I have to ask you Trixie what are you what are you playing these days

what video games are you playing are you playing anything I'm a little bit, Trixie, what are you playing these days? What video games are you playing? Are you playing anything? I'm a little bit on a hiatus. I completed Pokemon Sword during Christmas and Thanksgiving break. And then I'm playing Cyberpunk 2077

right now. I love it. Everybody's complaining that it's so buggy. I'm like, so is Skyrim, so is Fallout, so are all these big games. I get that. Everybody's complaining that it's so buggy. I'm like, so is Skyrim. So is Fallout. So are all these big games. I get that. I understand that any big budget open world game like this is bound to run into stuff. What I think bumps a lot of people is that it had been hyped up over the course of like

eight years. 87 years. It was 87 years it was 87 years truly 87 years and then um it just the the the release date kept getting pushed so it feels like so now like the narrative is everyone's like we got jilted or we were you know conned out of this like gameplay experience and now we have to wait for all these patches and um now there's all this like new stuff coming out where like the demo they released was like um not an actual demo it's just footage or whatever now there's all this like new stuff coming out where like the demo they released was like um not an actual demo it's just footage or whatever like there's all this like shitty stuff

now that like makes um cd project red whatever that company is that made um the witcher is like not a great company whatever i like i mean i i'm playing it on a rather like high power gaming pc so i know that i don't have the same problems as a lot of people. Oh, you're on a PC? Because it's on consoles, yeah. Yeah. I know on PlayStation it was literally unplayable. For me, it's been a really beautiful game.

And the storytelling's good. The animation's good. The imagining of the United States in 2077 is good. I like it. It's not as bad as everyone says. What's the take on the U.S. then? I'm curious. I don't play it. It's not as bad as everyone says. What's the take on the US then? I'm curious. I don't buy it.

It's this high tech city in California. And it's called Night City. And everything is run by like mega corporate. Like the government is just like mega corporations, right? Yeah. Mega corporations is basically the government. The police are kind of corrupt. Everything is like basically drugs and sex being sold.

Everything's about drugs and sex and technology, which I mean, I can see it. And then there's been some comments that some of the advertising featured in the game is transphobic, which I mean, it really depends on how you view it, I guess. But I find the experience to be pretty good so far. I've just been

dedicating a little less time to playing video games because I really will sit here for hours. I know. scary it's scary and i'm a big dead by daylight girl so i'll still play that a few times a week cute wait okay sorry to switch topics so quickly but we have not talked you and i the three of us about michelle branch in the way that i would like you to talk about michelle brands specifically tricksy talking about michelle because that's that's how you and i started that Branch. Specifically Trixie talking about Michelle Branch. Honey. Because that's how you and I started.

That's how you and I started talking to each other, right? Yes. I think like this article, like this interview I did came out where I was just like, oh, one of my earliest influences was The Spirit Room by Michelle Branch. The interviewer asked me, what's the culture that made you say culture is free?

I was like, well, the entertainment is every day. And that's what you said? I was like, on that day, I was like, today when I think, it, like, the other day I thought, wow, The Spirit Room by Michelle Branch is such a formative album for me. I know every single lyric to that. Remember? I mean, like,

I am gagging at what is happening right now. Trixie just pulled out her acoustic guitar. What's about to happen? Oh my god. Like, I, like, literally learned guitar to that music. Oh my God. Yes.

Turn it inside out so I can see. She really was. I want it to be like you. Oh my God. The best. If you want to. I can take you. Oh my God. The best. If you want to. I can take you. So good.

Also, I'll never not like cry to goodbye to you. Oh my God. It's so over. Yes. Oh, yeah. I love it. So good. She really, that like whole moment.

17 years old, Billie Eilish, eat your heart out. Yeah, that whole moment was a good moment. Like her, like the same time at like, I don't her but avril lavigne vanessa carlton like it was very singer-songwriter moment yeah and that's when i started playing guitar and everyone's you know guitar is a very male-dominated instrument it's very phallic it's very aggro it's aggressive it's jamming on it along it comes out of your crotch yeah right right the guitar has a long penis-like top. It's actually Roller Culture number 94. The guitar has a long

penis-like top. So when I started playing guitar, it's like, no gay guys, I know like three gay guys who play guitar. And I'm always like,

why was I, I'm such a fag. Why was I into guitar? And it's like, because I was 13 when I started. This was a time of Avril Lavigne,

Michelle Branch, Sheryl Crow on the radio. Women with guitars were such a thing. So I saw it as like subversive, like women holding this power with this thing. Interesting. I mean, Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. Trixie, you really, watching you play, whether it's guitar or auto harp,

I'm like, it's really beautiful. I'm sorry. Let me just say this because it's like, you look blissed out completely. You look so serene when you play. It's so nice. I just had to say that. You're so good. That is really sweet.

You're so good. Oh my God, you guys. No, but like you really are. I'm telling you, I don't just buy. I mean, your fucking album is going to go in my vinyl collection. I truly love it like i i and i really i want to say like i loved your first two albums but this last album i really love and it's almost i hope you take this as a compliment it's almost giving me like weezer

are you kidding that's like a huge compliment yeah it really was giving me weezer i was really really enjoying it and i i love them all i love gold i love jesse jesse i obviously love malibu i love i love the cover of stranger that's really good and like i don't know i just i hear do you love casey musgraves obviously you do of course i hear so much of her in it you guys have done yeah she's a fan she's a friend she's a reader no i don't know if she's i don't know if she's nobody can you imagine if we found out she listened to this podcast? I would die. I would never do it again.

You guys call him a reader. And when somebody's a fan of me in real life, I call him a friend of the pod, which makes no sense. She's a friend of the pod. Even before I had a pod, I'm like, she's a friend of the pod. That's funny. But I just, thank you. I will say I'm very lucky because people come out of the woodwork and they're like, basically, I get this response a lot, which I find very flattering.

People are like, hey, I actually finally listened to your music and it's actually good. Which isn't what you guys are saying. That is nice. That's not what you guys are saying. But it's like people mean that they don't expect it to be good. And then they're like, oh, this is nice. I appreciate that. Because, you know, I love Weezer.

And my all-time favorite band is Fountains of Wayne. Very Fountains of Wayne. Very Fountains of Wayne. Very Fountains of Wayne. Oh my God. Rest in peace, by the way. Oh my God. Adam Schlesinger. I cried not to be gay, but I cried. Our good friend is Rachel Blumen. I couldn't imagine what she went through. I was devastated for her. I met him. I met Adam once in a pitch meeting for something. And I just was like, I know this is a serious professional meeting. I have to tell you like fountains, like you guys changed the way I thought about songwriting period forever. And he was just like,

Oh, thank you. Cause to him, it's like 20 years ago. He's like, Oh, that band. Thanks.

And I'm like, Oh my God, you don't understand the way Adam Schlesinger writes music. But, um, what a funny, talented guy. Yeah.

So talented. But with Barbaraara i was just like well i've done the country and folk thing i especially living in california i was like i want to do something really bright and sunshiny in california and listening to like the go-go's and weezer and just like i don't know that album was so fun to make it's so good so good thank you you guys are extremely sweet for saying that i mean I feel like it was such a weird little risk when I started playing guitar and stuff and drag, but it,

it had such a better effect than I thought. I thought like doing comedy, people were going to feel like I'm going to do comedy and then you're going to have to deal with the song. I'm going to sing later. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And the response was very, like surprisingly very positive always, which has been so nice. Do you think it's that, um, people, even like gay audiences who like love drag race, they just have like a preconceived

idea of what drag music is going to be obviously, because it's like, you know, you think it's going to be like, cunt, cunt, pussy, I'm from New York, and I walk the walls. Which we do love. We do love that. We love it. I think that B.B. Zahara Benet deserved best pop vocal performance

for Jungle Kitty. But I mean, and that's just my reality. Or an Oscar. Or an Oscar. She's really an Oscar. If nothing matters, which doesn't.

I will say, when we roll out albums, like this year, we have multiple, multiple records coming out. It's probably the first time I've said it. We have multiple records coming out.

And we love an exclusive. When we roll out, when we roll out records, we get together and I hate to say it, this isn't to throw anybody under the bus. We have to swim upstream with people's opinion of what somebody in a wig could do with music. Yeah, or with anything.

This is what it is with anything. You train an audience to get used to seeing you a certain way. And what, if it means, and for, and for drag race contestants specifically, it means like,

I either go the way of, and they're not like, it's not like a mutually exclusive choice, but it's like, I either go the way of like do of, of doing what is like already in the matrix of like what the outcomes are outside of the show. Or I do something, but you, you even talk about this in moving parts though you're just like i want to like do

my whole like emilu harris loretta loretta lindalee parton thing but like people there are people are not used to seeing a drag queen do this on stage the way that i would like to do it yeah like i will say like the first time i pulled out a guitar and started putting it in the standup every night, it was like hour long standup show. I was in P town doing a whole summer, 55 shows. And every night people be like, Oh, the show was funny. I didn't even know you play guitar. I loved to hear you play. And every night it was like, Oh, well, there's a world for this. And then when I started playing the harp, it was moments where I was just like, I am here in a wig for these people who want, they came to like, I don't know don't know if they came to see but like I'm gonna stay up here and play an Appalachian folk instrument like it's a little wild but but it works with your drag character so well because

like it's Dolly Parton recalls that immediately and also honesty is you can never doubt that so like that's what kind of music came naturally to me so i can't pull off a purse first because i don't listen to that kind of stuff right but then if like i think of people like blondie or the b-52s where it's like these people are wearing wigs and wearing instruments they just don't call it drag right and then every pop star has wigs and lashes on like oh yeah i love them i love them and they and they all do like an acoustic phase can I ask you a question from moving parts because yes Matt and I rewatched last night thank you guys very much

everyone should watch it it's really great and I feel like Netflix is tough because the algorithm just kind of decides for everyone what they're going to watch so if you missed it when it came out you should check it out it's really really good we lucked out when it came out we were trending on the YouTube we were under trending and critically acclaimed or whatever for like a month and a half so it

really got a lot of exposure we lucked out there there's a part in it where you go to a viewing party at some bar to watch the premiere of all stars 3 yes the talent show portion and then it it cuts to you singing moving parts. And then I can't tell, because I was expecting some reaction from you after the fact, but it seemed like, were you uncomfortable? Because was that what you're speaking to right now, where you're just like,

I'm noticing that the audience is a little confused or disengaged by the idea of seeing a drag queen, like with an auto harp playing this song. Yeah. I guess I'm always aware that I'm probably the only one doing that thing. So like, even with this tour grown up, we're here, I'm traveling with the band.

I'm like, well, I'm probably the only person who's ever only drag queen who's done this on a scale. So it's always a little bit of a risk, but I guess with moving parts on all stars, I knew I wouldn't win with that talent, but I also knew

this is probably the only time I'll get to do something like this on TV and I'm playing 38 strings. I'll never get eliminated for this. Like, it's a talent show. Yeah.

I won't get eliminated. And I guess it was a little vulnerable, like, I don't know, it was a slow rollout to introduce people who know me from

uh, and comedy. Yeah. It was a weird time to roll out that there's also music and try to get those people to do to listen to both and it's been really nice I mean at my shows it's weird because some people are just there because they like Drag Race some people are there because they've only seen uh and they

don't even watch Drag Race some people are only there because they only know my records so whatever reason they come I try to put something in for that you know yeah because like Grownup has like 15 costumes, five wigs. So if you're there for looks, there's looks,

you know? Um, but it was always vulnerable, but I like playing my harp when I can. I love playing my guitar too. I just never thought, you know, I grew up playing guitar cause I wanted to play music.

I never would have thought I would ever be playing it in drag. Like, of course not. Yeah. You know, it's just, it's so, would have thought I would ever be playing it in drag like of course not yeah you know that's it it's just it's so it's great to see like you doing what you truly love because I think that this is just something I gauge and you say talk about this a little bit in the documentary too which is you love drag race and like I'm sure that you um like appreciate the experience of having been on it

and everything it's afforded you but it seems like you don't love being a contestant on the show you know what i mean because it's like it's it's i always feel like drag race can make it seem to someone that's watching it like oh this is measuring how someone is as a drag queen and the best drag queen will win the show when that's really not true. Like being good at drag race is a skill in and of itself. And to be someone that walks into drag race and kills drag race and wins means in no way that like you are the quote unquote best drag queen. These are all incredible Queens. So does that kind of come into your mind when you're on the show, watching yourself on the show and watching people watch the show? Well, I'm not a very good competitor and competition brings out the best in a lot of people.

I wouldn't say it necessarily brings out the best in me. And then I think I'm really good at drag in the real world, like the business side of it and the uniqueness of it, like the marketing of it. I love selling shit. I love writing shit. And so I guess for me competing on drag race has never been like where i do the best i mean i won of course i'm proud of it especially on

all-stars i'm like i'm i stand by every runway and every performance um i did a wonderful job but like i would never want to do it again i'm just not a have you guys ever been on a reality style competition thing it's really i was on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire which doesn't really count It's tough I've hosted a I host this reality competition show obviously too and I kind of see

You haven't competed as a dog yet No, I haven't I haven't yet competed as a dog but watch this face No, but it's kind of interesting to like see how the sausage gets made Yeah These really are

How the hot dogs get made How the hot dogs get made yeah these are these really are the people that the how the hot dogs get made thank you um but it really is interesting because like they really are real people and then when the judging happens it's really what it is like there's no like producing that goes into like the judging of it all and that's why i'm always like oh this is so interesting because as the host i kind of was walking in the back and i assume producers would come back and be like, okay, so for the narrative, this person needs to win and that you have to be really hard on this person

and the judging. And that would be kind of guided that way. But at least on our show, that wasn't the way it was. And I would imagine that's actually not the way it is on Drag Race because sometimes the critiques are so like, what? That it has to be their real critique. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And the critiques in real life are, they take hours. Hours. For six, for the three top and three bottom to critique,

it takes hours. And you see 10 minutes of it, maybe. And it's so nuanced because everything's also taste. Michelle could love it.

Ross could hate it. Two different opinions. And I love judges. I love everyone. It's four people behind a table they're not smarter than me or better than me and i'm such an asshole even on drag race in front of rupaul who's flawless i'm like i mean you're pretty but mama yeah hello look at me yeah and you can't really tell me anything and i think that's why even on even in season seven

when i went home fourth i remember sitting in the van being like okay well they just told me I wasn't a next drag superstar but they don't really have control over that I do yeah right like I was talking to Violet about this recently and Violet was like it's crazy to see everything you've done and Violet's such a wonderful person but she goes it's crazy because I didn't see it for you at all. And I'm like, thanks, Violet. Thank you so much. But I guess to me, you can't let those experiences really define you because those reality shows are so hard to win. Drag Race is so hard to win, especially the All-Stars format because it's like a Rube Goldberg machine.

Don't do too good, but don't do too bad. You kind of have to do what I did and not eliminate anyone and not ever be in the bottom. That's how to win. I have not been on a reality competition show myself either, but to draw a really janky

parallel analog, whatever, hearing you talk about drag race just kind of reminds me of snl in this in the way that it's like people who even audition for snl and who don't get it are like incredible this means i'm are incredible and meanwhile i'm over here being like it's and it's like what you're saying. It's like, I am a fine comedian. Fine comedian, fine writer. I happen to be decently good on SNL. My skill is being on that show. And it just so happens to be that.

Outside of the show, I'm doing all these different things where I'm humbled every fucking moment, where I go onto the set of this TV show, and I'm like, oh, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. It's like, you, I think it's so valuable for anyone to have like multiple environments where they are being challenged in different ways so that they can be like, oh, wait, I'm not deriving all my value. And that is so true.

It's like, I know that, I mean, I'm just going to acknowledge it. I know that I get a lot of opportunities. Other drag queens do not get, and we'll never get, I know I'm lucky enough to I'm just going to acknowledge it. I know that I get a lot of opportunities other drag queens do not get and will never get. I know I'm lucky enough to be the first drag queen to do so many things. And it's like, a lot of that is not Drag Race related. So like, I'm lucky to be at a place where people love me from Drag Race, but they really like me because of the music or the YouTube or whatever. So now it's nice because my worth doesn't hinge on what I did on a TV show years ago.

Exactly. And isn't it nice that you do these live shows and you look in the crowd and you Trixie don't necessarily know what they're here, like how they know you. You know, it's like, I don't even mention drag racing shows because I feel like you already saw that, like you came for more. You know, and I

don't claim to be the best singer, the best dancer, the prettiest the anything but I just try to do things that like well this is what I do and I know other people can't do it so I'm going to do that more yeah you know like when Bowen said like when you see you doing your thing there's obviously so much joy in it I always like a true hack for anyone that wants to do anything is if you are having fun and you love what you do, truly everyone else will have fun and probably like what you do. Like it's really, it's just, you just have to, it's a truly a trick. But once I think I read it in Amy Poehler's book,

um, it was just like, she said something like, that's the trick. If you are having fun, other people will have fun. It does not have to be perfect. It does not have to be the best. No one can step to you. Yes. And people out there that are like determined to critique because that's who they are and what they are and the way that they go about life is to be very critical. And that's how they file things in their brain. That's fine.

That is not most people. And that is probably not the people that are coming to see you. I will say too, like, I mean, we could talk about this forever, but you owe it to when it comes to listening to the voices, you owe it to the people who love what you do to not pay attention to the people who don't love what you do. There you go. That is huge. That is your only job. Cause I've talked, like, I know I represent, like, mediocrity to a lot of people. There are a lot of people who are like, that sense of humor does nothing for me. Or that music does nothing for me. But that has nothing to do with me.

Yeah, same. Or the people that love you. They're so confident because, like, I mean, as Trixie, it's like, you can't tell me anything. You can't tell me anything. I could be bombing. It could be like, mama, that was a serve. You know, but with drag, of course we watch for the beads and the sequins and the wigs, but we're really watching because it's inspiring to watch someone believe it. And I believe it. You know what I mean? Before you sell it, you got to buy it yourself. Okay. I'd rather be delusional than depressed. Completely.

Completely. I'd rather be delusional than depressed. Put it on my gravestone. Quinty. It's like, it's like a circuit gaze with clack fans and I'm walking onto stage with an Appalachian harp. Like mama,

this is about to be it. I'm going to shut it down. But honestly, they secretly live. They secretly live. But I also knew when I started playing guitar and drag or stuff like that, I knew I had to commit a hundred million. Yeah.

For it to sell. Cause you can't go out there gun shy. I don't know what you're doing. No, no, that's what good can be. All the good. I mean,

I was just thinking about this too. It's like comedians, like you're really being paid for bravery and the best comedians are fucking fearless. You go to watch someone be fearless. Yeah. Which is why it's so uncomfortable when someone's trying to stand up and they're scared.

I know. Every time I've had a bad show, I'm like, fuck that audience. I wake up the next day, eight hours later, like it was me. Yeah.

I went into that. And it's okay. You know what? I can always tell like it's because now we've been doing it for so long and I feel like I've been doing it for so long that there was a period like back in like towards

the last couple years of living in New York like and when I first came to LA where I feel like I could walk out onto a stage and not even think about it and just go and have a good time or whatever but sometimes like every every so often there'll be a period where I'm about to get on stage and in the minute before, or in the 30 seconds before I'll start to have this, let's just forgive me, but the inner saboteur will come in

and I'll just be like, Oh no, like, is this going to happen to me right now? And I, that's a fight or flight moment. It's like, I can listen to this voice for even one second more about someone that's in the audience or people that aren't there or whatever or like maybe i for a second was running my shit and i i stumbled over it even in my head whatever it is in that moment but it's truly defining i feel like that minute before you get on stage where it's like oh what do i do with this because it will dictate how the next 10 minutes goes or the next 30 minutes goes or the next hour and a half goes, depending on what show you're doing. And so it's so it, but I so can distill it to myself. You know what I mean?

A hundred percent. It is you. It is. It always is. And that's why at the end of the day, you can blame whoever, but usually in the clear light of day, you're're like i let that audience down i let the no laugh dictate that what the show was going to be like in the first two minutes i flumbled flump like flubbed and never recovered it's really always you and that's where you

realize like oh well if it's me i trust myself so i'm going to be fine it kind of goes both ways i don't know yeah i feel like we're talking about decades ago when we used to be live performers. Like I think about stand up all the time now. And I'm like, am I do my credits transfer? Am I going to have to go like relearn? I know. I don't remember my show.

I don't remember my five minutes set, my 15 minutes set. I don't remember any of them. I think nobody's credits are transferring once. Right. Are we going to all have to like go learn stand up again? I think so. Because I'm even watching these brave brave

people who in the summer at least would do outdoor park shows like stand-up friends in new york would do outdoor park shows it's like god bless i can never do that but god bless you and then some some people even like like i think comedy central even like recorded some outdoor sets and they're now posting them on instagram of like comedians we love and who are proven quantities known quantities as far as like their comedy, their voice who are like playing to these rooms, quote unquote, that are like patios where the,

the audience members are like, like nervous to laugh. And you see it kind of fuck with them. I'm like, wait a minute. We are all, we are all like for better or for worse, like kind of flattened to the same.

We're all being like, it's like a new, like a new computer, new phone. A little bit. We all got that. Like, it's weird.

We're all going to have to rely on instincts and bravery because we don't remember the material. We haven't had life experience for a year to make the material. Like we can't, we can't go into the world and talk about COVID. We can't. No, no,

it won't. Well, we won't. Here's the thing. It's going about covid we can't no no it won't but we won't here's the thing it's going to be great because remember as much as the performers are going to be in their head and have to find it these audiences that come back are going to be so happy to watch something like that and the audiences are going to have the back of the performers and the performers are going to be ready to go i i really feel confident that just the energy of the live audiences when they come back, because I've been thinking about this a lot. And I just thought, like,

not only am I missing performing, I'm also missing going out and seeing things like, yes, of course, I miss like little social things. Like I was thinking this morning, like I want to go on a date. You know what I mean? Like I want to dress up, go to a restaurant and like decide there if I want to fuck the guy. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't know how to date and do go about even little social things now because you have to have like someone over your house, you go there or whatever. And with performing, it's the same thing.

I'm getting so used to quote unquote a show being, I go on like a zoom show that Joel Kim booster is hosting and we shoot the shit for six minutes about whatever. That's not material. You know what I mean? That's not like a rehearsed comedy bit. But then I thought more about it and I was like, you know what? What I miss most of all is just going out and being a part of something that's live and electric and listening to live music and watching live comedy. And I'm going to be so happy to be there when it's all done that I'm actually less concerned about performing when

I go back because I can feel myself in the audience and I'm ready to give, you know what I mean? Like, cause I miss that. I miss it so desperately. It's it. I think I can speak for all three of us when I say it's a life force.

Yeah. And staying busy the way you guys have, or like if we're being vulnerable, this has been probably one of the most, I know we're not supposed to say it, but like besides touring is probably one of the most I know we're not supposed to say it but like besides touring it's probably one of the most financially viable years I've been home the most to make the most content

I mean if you're Netflix and my YouTube channel and the pod I have content every day of the week and so like in that sense it's been enriching and it's going to be people like you and me if you don't use it you lose it and those limbs will atrophy and fall off so some of these drag queens and comedians who are sitting home,

they are going to come back and not have it. They are because they haven't been stretching. Like you also can't not run and then go back to marathon running and just expect your body to work. Yeah. You know, your leg going to fall off, girl.

Your legs going to fall off. Your legs going to fall. I hate to, hate to break it to you. Your legs are going to be falling off. And it's nice for you guys between the pod and SNL and all this stuff, you can at least stretch those muscles in a way that's like maybe insulated, but still using them, still keeping, you know.

No, for sure. If SNL wasn't happening, Bowen would be dead. I'm just going to say that. I would agree. I can co-sign because I mean, every Saturday, it's the dress rehearsal audience that comes in and I'm just like, oh my god, we're

one of the only places open and existing that they can go see that. Yeah, that they can go see. I am so fucking lucky to do this. But I was going to say, there are some comedians who just will have the gift no matter what. Maybe this isn't a fair example because she works. And then, but I was going to say, like, there are some comedians who, like, just will have the gift no matter what.

I mean, maybe this isn't a fair example because she works at SNL, but I was watching like a Zoom stand-up show, like, back in, like, April. No, no, no, no, not back in April, back in, like, July. And it was Anna Dresden, and she was on this Zoom show, and she's just, like, reading jokes that she's written, and she was just kind of reading one. She was with her

dog in her living room, but she's just reading these jokes, and she's just like, um, she was with her dog in her living room but she's just reading these jokes and she's just like i'm okay here's something um i was going through old journal entries the other day but i'm trying to read less books written by white authors and i was like oh you stupid she was texting me before because she's finally watching for the first time ever she watched the movie second act with jlo and we were like live texting because she knows that i'm me and of course i'm gonna i'm gonna be an authority on second act by jLo and we were like live texting because she knows that I'm me and of course I'm gonna be an authority on second act by JLo but which is I'm saying it like it's a

book that JLo wrote it was a film she was in but she's the best listen we could literally keep talking for hours on end but I think we should move on to I don't think so honey because I know this is gonna be a long round because we're chatterboxes I will say as a listener I've never when they're long as a listener I listen to the a long round. I know it's a long one. Because we're chatterboxes. No, no, no.

I've never, when they're long as a listener, I listen to the whole thing. So, tricks. Well, I'm already like thinking you need to come back often because we are having the time of our lives

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Dragged. I'm NK, and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies.

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Oh, I know what it is. Crazy. And so in the 60 seconds, we rant, which is like a sort of like a accelerated, elevated way of speaking about a topic in pop culture, which is popular culture, culture that a lot of people enjoy and can experience and can consume,

really. It's about consumption at the end of the day, and we can get into whether or not that's healthy or not, how good that is, but that it's about consumption. The capitalist, you know, sort of regime that we live under, we could talk about it, not now, but later. And in that 60 seconds, we talk about something in pop culture, we rant against it, and it's because we don't like it. That's why rant. Otherwise, it be rave, which is the opposite of rant. So this being, I don't think so, honey,

we usually sort of volley it around one, two, three, and I usually go first and I am prepared to do that because I have a thing. Okay. Interesting. Well,

then I have the timer ready to go. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. starts now i don't think so honey quote twists end quote on the national anthem okay so today is the inauguration and lady gaga is performing the national anthem we've probably already seen her do it because i'm imagining this

happens in the morning but she has announced prior to singing it that she's doing it with a quote-unquote twist i don't think so honey I don't think this is a song that needs a twist. It's not like Willow by Taylor Swift that needs like a spooky, like cold soup goblin ghost remix. 1,900 of them. This song does not need a twist. This song was written by Ms. Frances Scott Key, honey.

And the key is the key. It should be sang in key. We need to be singing this song in the correct way. The only way I will say you can make a twist on it is if you sing it like whitney houston extra good other than that the last time we saw the national anthem sung with a twist it was fergie and while it was gay culture it was bad and i don't know if it's better to have that version of i don't five seconds of the national anthem or not i'm gonna say probably yes but that should be the last twist on the anthem. They're done now, Lady Gaga.

No, sing it normal. I don't think so, honey. Woo! Girl, with that kind of energy, you should storm the Capitol, sis. That was the tea. Can I just say, from someone who was there, it was not as bad. Did I see you climbing in the window? It was not as bad on the ground as it was on TV. I saw somebody

climbing in the window and cheating out. Thank you. Yeah, I was like, I sort of like did my over-the-shoulder gasp. Like I was actually pretending to be like, there was a lot of promising young women that were storming the Capitol and I was one of them. And you were the one who put a pink wig on the flagpole because you were representing the Barbs.

Yes, I was actually. So it was people are getting confused. It wasn't just like the Proud Boys that were storming. It was the Proud Boys and the Barbs. And I was sort of the leader of the Barbs. The Proud Barbs. the Proud Boys that were storming. It was the Proud Boys and the Barbs. And I was sort of the leader of the Barbs. The Proud Barbs. The Proud Barbs. Yeah.

And I was also chanting, hang my pants, but it was more like this. Hang my pants. Interesting. But anyway, yeah. The Lady Gaga is apparently doing a twist on the national anthem. Can't wait to find out what that is. I hope it's something simple. I hope it's like a nail reveal or something like solo production.

She has a nail art. A twist. I hope it's nothing. I hope she prints her hair. I'm so scared for her to be there. I don't want anyone there. Here's a twist on the national anthem. Don't sing it. There you go.

You wanted a twist. But I just feel like we don't need. That's going to be the twist. She's going to do a death drop. You want a twist? And then sing it from the floor. She's not even going to get up. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Yeah. I want the twist to be that Lady Gaga sings it from her home from a secure location. Okay? Because I don't need her at the fucking inauguration. I don't kamala harris at the inauguration i don't need joe biden at the inauguration why we're not doing like a remote zoom thing is unbelievable to me it's not like we're not going to be intimidated by terrorists like you should be i'm at home intimidated by terrorists they're out here promising to come and i honestly hope that

this comes out this this episode will come out on inauguration day which yes i can confirm my building emailed me a week ago said on january 20th we're going to be testing the alarm systems it will be sudden and loud i was like hi can we move this to any other day do you think that like we could just take one alarming factor away from this day test the alarm system like i'm going to be watching the inauguration and panicking because there's the alarms are screaming at me like why that day regardless i digress i just can't believe we're having it change the alarm to like rain on me or something you know like exactly the sound check but change the material yeah for sure i'm just like i just don't know why we have to do it on that day but they didn't get back to my email

um but anyway i just i don't i'm kind of dumbfounded that we're having the inauguration i hope that this comes out on the day of the inauguration it's a non-factor because it went well and safely but it's it's jarring to me and the last thing i needed to hear was that gaga is going to be there because of course we need also do the twist without saying there's a twist it's like when people wear reveal that's obvious we know there's something under there when you walk the runway looking like voldemort i know that you're taking that off right of course that is the great myth about the reveals like that the reveals are going to be good because it's a real you want to reveal you want to know why sasha velour's reveal worked so well because it was an incredible lip sync and because it went with the performance and because you didn't see it

coming yes give me something i have no ideas coming yeah but then you could even have said lip sync and because it went with the performance and because you didn't see it coming. Yes. Give me something. I have no ideas coming. Yeah. But then you could even have said that you could, I mean, it all like heightened to that point though. Like that's the part of the narrative.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Or like Katya doing the bang reveal. Never saw it coming. It's so weird. So like when you walk out there in a hefty bag like this, I'm like, I wonder if that's coming off

like yeah anyway anyway twist on the national anthem i don't think so honey um i was gonna say uh that gaga's posting of the twist of telegraphing the twist is saying like working on something fun can't wait to announce. Oh, it's like Demi Lovato being like, our nation is in such disgrace. I'm going to the studio. Yeah, or like influencers when they're like, secret project, and it's them in a picture they took six months ago. It's not even related.

Anyway, all the girls are trying their best. And speaking of trying their best, and I'm going to say ultimately, probably really slaying and succeeding. This is Bo and who is i just think one of the i i think bon yang is one of the most important people in the culture and i think that and i stand and i recently was interviewed and i i say i was asked about bon yang and i cried no from who which i frequently shed shed tears about you. Come on. Was it a Shangela cry?

Did you like cheat out to the camera? And like, did you like make a moment? Sorry, I'm getting emotional. Yes. Love it. Love it. Which is my way of sort of dropping in. What, Bob?

The moment in moving parts where Katya calls Trixie like one of the best comedic writers like ever. I'm just like, I was like, that's, that's, just like, I'm Katya in that moment to you and Matt's Trixie where I'm always gassing my sister up and I'm like, you're incredible. Anyway.

I love you right back. Yes. Girl, you've done it again. Constantly raising the bar for all of us. You've done it again. Katya and I, we love to do that monologue but with negatives like,

hey flop, you haven't done it again. Jester, you've done it again. Constantly lowering the bar for all of us. Constantly raising the bar for the circus. The circus and doing it foolishly. You haven't seen that one?

You gotta see that one. We'll send that to you. Wait, is it Hey Clown? Hey Clown. Yes, Hey Clown. Jester, you have done it again. Constantly raising the bar for the circus. And doing it foolishly.

Foolishly. I'd say I'm surprised, but I know who you are. I've seen it up close and personal. Kachi and I get stuck in these rattles where we say the same thing

over and over again. And right now it's, hey flop, over and over again. Yep. We just talked about this on the last episode. We've been saying flop for weeks.

Yeah, flop. We are obsessed with flop. For a while, we were stuck in, like we would be in a room together silently 10 minutes to go by and she'd be like,

Stacey, did Frederica ever mention a Jame gum or a Jamie gum? Which is from Silence of the Lambs. Yes! That's me and Bowen

with them for months we were doing. I'm going to have to pass on that one, which is the Aretha Franklin interview about like the other singers. Good writer, good performer, young producer.

Young producer. And Sissy's baby. You just get stuck in these like auditory loops. Yeah, in the loops. Also, David was watching Housewives and one of the trailers ended with someone going, I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw Denise Richards again.

And I was stuck saying that for weeks. Weeks. I'd be taking the trash out like, I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw Denise Richards again. Also, another one is Bowen and I love on Real Housewives, they said, Beast?

I'm done talking to you, you beast. You beast? How dare you? How dare you? And then she cuts How dare you? How dare you? And then she cuts to Eileen Davidson talking out. It's pure evil. It's pure evil. It's pure evil. I'm telling you.

Trixie, you would love Housewives because you love the existence of the woman. A hundred percent. The desperate woman. Yeah. Just micro performances within two words. Yes. You love the observation of the woman who is a laugh away from a tear. And that is every single woman who

is ever on Real Housewives and that's why you need to watch it. We get stuck saying pretty much I would let Gemma know that Gemma is a fat cunt. That is a good one. Look at the material. It's pretty up there too. Look at the material. It's pretty up there too. Look at the material.

Oh my God. New York. Yeah. No. You're a dreamer. You dream a lot in your sleep, don't you? So good. You know, we also got stuck on Hey, break a leg. What did you say? What did you say to me? I said break a leg.

I'm not going to break a leg. I'm going to get the part. That's what I'm going to do. Oh my God. Thank God. Okay, Tiffany. Oh, I know those one-liners from shows I've never seen. I'm not going to break a leg. I'm going to get the part.

That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to get the part. My ass has been on pause. But I'm about to push play. Yes. So good. The one that really doesn't get the credit is- Did you go home is first fucking night

yeah also um uh hoops is a hoops is a whore her mom's a whore her grandma's the biggest whore i've ever seen in my entire life there there will never be anyone like new york on reality tv in that same context oh my god she invented it I submit Monique as host of charm school. The whore jumped out and then it jumped. You exhibited whore like behavior. The whore jumped out and then it jumped back in, but it jumped out. And when you,

when you do clownery, the clown comes back. Comes back to bite. Yes. It's important material she won an academy award deserved it deserved also i i've only said like david was watching housewives and i got stuck saying um uh is it about tom it's about tom does that i don't even know the show so then things will get stuck i'm like why is that clinging to my brain it has that effect on you

lisa rina is the gift that keeps on giving but and she has been for decades but she recently had a line on housewives which was at a reunion she goes you liked the tweet and in liking the tweet it says everything it says everything everything oh lisa had that one really good one too where Lisa goes, ooh, you're angry. You're so angry. You are. You are, Denise. You are. So crazy. So crazy. And Denise, you get it. Who told you that? Who told you that?

You're so angry. You are. You are. It is so condescending. Like, ooh, you're angry. You are. You are. It is so condescending. Like, ooh, you're angry. Incredible. Both of them knew it was the last scene they would have on the show together.

And they're both soap actresses that were beat to hell. Sitting on that couch, looking at each other half cross-legged, knowing it was both their last scenes of the of the season and they were serving it i don't know you gotta get into it um listen this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey he claims to have a topic and um we're gonna see bowen yang your i don't think so honey time starts now i don't think so, honey. The relationship between gum health and preventing dementia.

Do you guys know about this? Cola Scola told me, or was it Joe Firestone? Someone told me that you have to floss within 12 hours every single day. Or once you get older, you're going to not remember anything. That you form dementia plaques. I don't know if this is real. I haven't actually verified the science, but I believe it. When i hear my friends tell me you have to floss or else you're going to get alzheimer's i have a family history i don't think so many this relationship because i

don't want i feel like i'm being sort of conned in a way into flossing and into maintaining my dental health but no i will do anything in my power to prevent alzheimer's from hitting me i'm not going to become an ellis gray i'm not going to become my grandmother i'm so sorry to say it's tragic and she and she passed so um i don't think so honey this new relationship that i have to sort of um this new element of upkeep that i have to incorporate into my life i don't think so honey this um potentially bogus relationship medically that i have to now abide. That's one minute. I'm interested to hear about this as someone with several grandparents

who passed away of diseases related to... Yeah, apparently, but also... Honestly, keep it in the teeth. Just keep the string in the teeth full time. Because gums, they bleed, girl. And that's the thing. But once you get into a habit of flossing, they stop bleeding. They don't bleed, yeah.

All right, well, I guess I got to break it in. Alzheimer's isn't funny. No. However, there is something funny about forgetting really essential shit in your life. I know that it's awful. But in the movie Still Alice, when she couldn't find the bathroom in her own home and pissed her pants, I was laughing so hard. I know that that's awful, but like I cried a lot in that movie,

but peeing your pants in your own house because you can't find your own bathroom is, and it's funny. It is funny. The reason you left is because if you don't laugh, you'll cry. And when you're going to cry. That's the thing is like, I'm already a dripping wet Pisces. If I'm trying, if I want to find the humor in something that's sad, let me. Because I guarantee you, trust me, I feel very sad about it on the inside.

And that's almost why I'm laughing. Because if you don't laugh, you'll cry. And that's where that comes from. But that being said- I've gone to the bathroom in my pants and I don't have Alzheimer's. So like- Yeah. And so what excuse do you have?

I drink whiskey. Not a one. There you go, baby. Because sometimes I have fireball whiskey with pizza. You might as well be still Alice after that, girl. Come on, diet. Literally, wait. Wait, Bowen, I wanted to tell you.

I've been making my own food at home and I don't think cooking my meat right. And I feel like I'm shitting like Bowen Yang. It's horrible. Excuse me? How are you cooking your meat? You're on the record that your shits are bad. I know, I Excuse me? How are you cooking your meat? You're on the record that your shits are bad. I know, I know, but how are you cooking your meat? Girl,

I'll cook it, and then I'll just like... Get a cast iron skillet or something. Well, you think I don't have a cast iron skillet? Are you like Hottie with the chicken in the microwave? That's also iconic. The editing on that show is so shady. Every time Hottie blinks and they do the bike, ring, ring, ring, on that show is so shady every time Hottie blinks

and they do the bike ring ring ring ring like that is so shady oh yeah yeah Hottie oh another one

Beyonce bitch you look like Luther Vandross Luther Vandross bitch you look like Luther Vandross yeah I might be a bitch

to the heart but at least it'll go around to everyone's yeah so good Hottie Hottie's so good no Hottie. Hottie's so good. No, Hottie. Mental institution. Bitching in a straight jacket.

I forgot who said that. It's not New York. It's Goldie. It's Goldie. Hottie. Mental institution. Bitching in a straight jacket. That show is incredible. Oh my god. So good. And then who's the one? A pumpkin who spits in her face. She's like,

pumpkin, do I hate her?. She's like, all right, a pumpkin. Do I hate her? No. Does she still need a facelift? Yes. I mean, she invented reality television.

She did. She did. Obsessed. Also, wait, I just want to throw, I just want to say before we move on to tricks, I don't think so.

Honey, one of the most iconic from real housewives of Atlanta is who don't check me, boo. Who go check me, boo from Real Housewives of Atlanta is who gon' check me boo? who gon' check me boo? you need to get checked who gon' check me boo? and the neck roll that went into it I'm just like Sheree was

she made some mistakes and got kicked off the franchise but she was forever okay so huge moment in so far as it's Trixie Mattel's I Don't Think So Honey time do you have something prepared? By the way, I do these alone in my house all the time. And that's how you know.

And I say I don't think so honey while it happens. We love that. Okay. Okay. And this is Trixie Mattel's I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now. Okay. This is a little bit tired, but I follow a lot of doll collecting websites.

And sometimes they'll go and they'll be selling dolls. And every time they post dolls on Facebook, they put trigger warning because some people are afraid of dolls. If we've arrived at a place where you can't scroll past some naked Barbie dolls being sold in a lot, you maybe shouldn't have a computer

be on the internet. And with that, the way that Barbie has become a scapegoat for people's issues and people's problems. Let me tell you, before Barbie, women were only allowed to play with baby dolls. Women were allowed to imagine being moms. And then Barbie came along and you could imagine to be single, have a house, a car, have jobs, be beautiful. And the only reason Barbie gets scapegoated as like the landing point for people's insecurities is because America makes women hate their bodies.

Barbie is a toy that's so popular, everyone has one. And so just because there's a Venn diagram doesn't mean that Barbie's at the fault of all of that. Barbie changed the lives for women forever. Forever. And what? And there we go. And that's one minute. Any anti-Barbie culture

I'm hesitant about. Because I feel it wasn't her fault and putting the blame on her is anti-feminist. It's very first thought. It's very first thought. And that was like a Malcolm Gladwell essay, Trixie.

Like you synthesizing those two things. Well, thank you. I feel very strongly about it. I've read in my free time, I read a lot of nonfiction books about Barbie and I couldn't be more

passionate about it. Barbie is, she's a scientist. She's a lifeguard. She's a teacher. She's a model. She's stunning, she's a scientist. She's a lifeguard. She's a teacher. She's a model. She's stunning. She's a legend. She's an icon. She has a point.

She is the moment. She is the moment. She's a woman who gets it. She's a woman who gets it. She's bisexual. She's a friend. I'm crying. She's a mother. She's a driver. She's a police officer. Until she came along, they were basically like, you can pretend to be a mother. She's a driver. She's a police officer. Until she came along, they were basically like, you can pretend to be a mom and that's it. Right.

Yeah. And then the reason she got so popular is because people were like, a doll with boobs? I can't have that. But the greater fear than that is raising a daughter who wasn't attractive. So parents were like, well, maybe if I buy this, my daughter will have a meal ticket because she'll have a husband. So it's a very dark past. But the heavy lifting that Barbie did for the development of like equality and women and the way that at least in the last 10 years, she gets everything loaded on top of her is crazy. It's crazy. I mean, like people lose their minds even at like the like the differently figured, the more realistically figured or proportional barbie like the dolls like everyone had a conniption and i was like but is it really

do we do we actually care that much or do we hate that idea so much that like we are gonna shit on this on twitter for like a whole day i yeah how many gi joes do you see with beer bellies bitch not right yeah yeah exactly bowen and i were talking because ben dillacram who we fucking love is like featured prominently in in your documentary as well we were talking like him eliminating himself on all stars was the most was the most iconic thing he ever could have done and the most dragged thing he ever could have done like i'm flipping around this lipstick it's my own name in this shitty whiteout and I'm leaving and going to pretend like it's an emotional moment and stomp out of here after like

killing it in the way that this competition exists right now. I have checked 10 on every box and now I'm going to see myself out. And even the way Rue reacted, I knew that Rue loved it. Like I, I felt like Rue must have loved it or at least i hope that rue loved it but the thing is like i felt like that was drag on top of drag which made it so iconic and amazing to me yeah i mean what's more punk rock than exiting a drag competition on

your own terms it's very Seattle. It's so genius. It was Hunger Games, like the berries, like I'm going to kill myself. Like it was that. Right. Yeah, it was that. And you even made the observation in the documentary after that happened, you were like, I mean, Ben wants this to be the Olympics,

but it's a TV show. Yeah, Ben didn't want to wear a crown that represented also reality TV. And it's like, you really should leave then if you don't want to carry that title, represented also reality TV. And it's like, you really should leave. Then if you don't want to carry that title, if you don't think it's ethical, you'll be happy.

You know, by the way, by the way, everybody's like, no, Ben, no bitch. I was like,

Oh, cause I, cause I'd love to wear the crown. Oh, me and Shangela were like, finally it, like we were thrilled. Shangela and I were like everything.

I think I'm gonna like it yes like shangela like kennedy ran backstage like she was not the father shangela like went like this and i was just like not the father i was just thrilled i was like oh right right right yes amazing it was nice i definitely i mean I unofficially owe her about $100,000. So thank you, Ben, to the crew. No, you don't. There's a moment in the documentary, I keep talking about the doc, sorry. But when, it's the premiere party for All-Stars 3.

And then you and Ben and Kenny are backstage. And you're talking about Katya. And then Ben's like, yeah, I mean like sometimes i get i get asked questions or like people were asking you about katya and you're like i don't know how to answer then uh ben was like yeah i get asked questions too and then you cut her off you're like why do you dress like this and then immediately ben picks it up and is like yeah right and it's a mental issue and like you guys like have such a genuine laugh i'm like this is so funny and like i feel so like fly on the wall for like watching this interaction even happen I was just like this is great

I wish for both of you to someday I'm sure you've done it if you can someday be in a drag dressing room that is where the show is it is oh yeah people who respect each other being fucking mean to each other is so fun yeah I guess that's one more thing I want to ask

is like so yes like the way that the fans get heated about it, the show and the results of the show, et cetera, it's very high stakes. I wonder like amongst the cast, when the results are kind of happening, like, you know, the Morgan McMichaels of it all. And like, you know, like the eliminations are tough

from the very beginning. Is it actually dramatic and thick between you guys or are you guys kind of like performing or is it a mixture of both? Well, you have to, it's a little bit Stockholm syndrome because it is real, especially on an all-stars level, because we all want this. We're all stars, we're all professionals, but it is Stockholm syndrome because when you've been there a week with no phone and no outside contact, this is your bubble and this is the real world. It feels real. Reality TV, when you're doing it well, it does feel real.

So, certain things feel more emotional. When somebody gets eliminated, it does feel like they're dying. It does. It feels like you're never going to see them again. Even though it's not true,

especially, what makes me laugh though is when Drag Race is like two episodes in and everyone's been there two days and they're like, we've fucking been here the whole competition.

I'm like, you've been there three days. Like Chi Chi Devane, God rest her soul. Love her to death. We're like three days into drag race. And she's like, I miss my cat.

I'm like, Chi Chi Devane, four days. She was just like, I'm exhausted. I love her. Yeah. Yeah.

She was a true, true, true, amazing. Let's dedicate this episode to the incomparable Chi Chi DeVayne. Rest in power, Chi Chi. If you stay ready, you ain't got to get ready. The most iconic.

100%. So good. Very good. The best. Well, I love you guys. This may go down in history as our longest episode, and I probably could have done it for two more hours. I could have.

I really could have. Please come back, literally literally open invitation whenever you want like this is truly truly fun well thank you i really appreciate it and um i know you guys have a lot of similar listeners but if anybody wants to hear bald and the beautiful we love making this me and katya our covid our covid special part of our special comes out this week so get into it check it out check it out get into covid yes and buy makeup come buy makeup stream barbara read the book do all that but um i just love you guys this has been such an honor check it out check it out get into COVID yes and buy makeup come buy makeup stream Barbara read the book

do all that but I just love you guys this has been such an honor we love you back and we gotta say I will be listening every week thank you so much oh my lord

and listen Bo the way we sort of wrap up every episode is famously with a song before we sing it I want to ask you a question did you watch

you did watch Promising Young Woman I did so next week we're going to talk about Promising Young Woman I did so next week we're going to talk about Promising Young Woman but there's a scene in it where Bo Burnham knows all the words

to Paris Hilton Stars Are Blind and I just want to ask a question before we leave do you think straight men know the words to Paris Hilton Stars Are Blind

I don't even think a lot of gay men know it no and don't make this another plot point no but and this is going to this is going to directly carry into

our conversation next week when we discuss the film but for now don't do that even though the guys are crazy even though the stars

are blind if you show me real love baby I'll show you I can make it nice and naughty be the devil and angel too

got a heart and soul and body let's see what this love can do Maybe I'm perfect for you To listen to the rest of that song, watch Promising Young Woman,

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