Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "You?! Did THAT?!" (w/ Charlie Bardey & Natalie Rotter-Laitman)

Episode Date: April 5, 2023

Four glowing, radiant and ravishing people gather to record a podcast. We?! Did THAT! Hosts of the Exploration: Live! podcast Charlie Bardey and Natalie Rotter-Laitman are in a small, warm room with Matt & Bowen in NYC to talk sad girl pageant culture, being on INDICTMENT WATCH (and hey...we GOT HIM!), social anticipation, the use, pronunciation and spelling of words, SLUCK's return to nightlife, product placement in porn, identifying as Mommy or Daddy, and the era when Brie Larson was serving "The Sister". Also, Austin Powers and the discourse around "mojo", Heather Graham, Elizabeth Hurley, STAR magazine, the Brad and Jen divorce drama, Fashion Police and the sartorial evaluation of celebrities in the tabloid era, Bowen's mother's intense and storied reaction to a photo of Jessica Simpson, and how we approach Britney nowadays. All this, as well as the following "hows": how straight guys need to realize stand up is theater, how being an adult means nothing (even if you're a teacher), how maybe a capella actually needs instruments, how Madame Morrible is the most crucial role in Wicked, and how Gizelle Bryant just went for it re: the F slur. And!!! There's more!!! Moana, Again?! Harry Potter, Again?! "Skip Ad culture"?! A discussion on "top billing" culture?! Carolyn on Survivor?! You know what? Bye Felicia! Go listen. This shit is jam packed. We're obsessed with Charlie and Natalie.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong.

Las Culturistas calling. Can I set the scene? Go ahead. We walk into the lobby of the building in which we're recording this episode. My favorite part of the day so far. Mine too. Yeah. Because I give my idea of where I turn around.

You are, I see you truly ravishing. You looked radiant this morning. Wait, I have to tell you, and like, I've seen the jacket that you have on today before. There's something different about it today. There's like a confidence,

there's an energy. It's a lustrous vegan leather. Holy fuck. And it really catches the light. I think that's, I think it was the light of that lobby. Yeah. Very like,

thaw from winter to spring. 100%. Those are what the days have that lobby. Yeah. Very like thaw from winter to spring. 100%. Those are what the days have been giving. Oh, the allergies are bad this year. Can I tell you something? I'm not even focusing

on the allergies. That's fine. I pull out my phone today and I look at the weather sort of app, which I've been doing almost every day being in New York now

because you just never know what you're going to get here, which is one of the great things about the city. Yes. 71 degrees, it says. That's not true. Not right now, it's not.

But check back with me around 1 p.m., 2 p.m. You got it. You'll be shocked. You got it. So anyway. Anyway, I see you and you're glowing. And then we catch up. It's such a lovely way to start off the day.

Well, I've been excited all day because of this episode. Me too. Me too. Yeah. And we talk and we talk. Mm-hmm. And then all of a sudden, this noise, this sound comes out of your pocket. Could have been coming out of me.

It was the songs. It could have come out of your holes. It was the song Collide. You and I collide. By Howie Day. And you had to say, who was that artist again? And I said, Howie Day. And now Howie Day is sort of back.

So I want you to know, like, I didn't get up this morning and go on Spotify and sort of type into Spotify Howie Day. What I did type into Spotify this morning, and I don't know why, but I think I can sort of A to C why. I typed into Spotify today, Vertical Horizon. Do you remember the song? You're a god and I am not. And I just... Remember that song? That is

2000. You remember that song? That is the year 2000. That is literally 2000. No, not 19... Millennium? 1999, 98. Something like that. That was in the continuation slideshow from when I graduated the 5th grade. 100 I graduated the fifth grade. 100%. That is that song.

That and, like, I guess the Vitamin C graduation song was played, I'm sure. But Vertical Horizon. Because you're going from fifth to sixth. That's a huge moment. We did sing that song. You sang it? We sang it. We all had to learn it.

We had such a flop graduation song my senior year. It was the Beatles. I even forget the song. And the year before us they did breakaway by kelly clarkson and i was like wow they got that they got this iconic group gets a set real send off oh no um okay so but here's why i think i googled in googled in to spotify um vertical horizon because we did sluck the other night yes and you did a bit as carmen electra yes oh so sluck is our lip-sync filthy dance duo we did it at josh sharp's charity show at knockdown center it was a big

reunion a lot of money was raised were there our guests were there it was a gorgeous moment co-hosts and um we performed sluck and there was a bit in the sluck mix that Bowen put together, which was Bowen as Carmen Electra. Carmen Electra is Tiffany Amber Thiessen culture. And Tiffany Amber Thiessen stars in the video for You're a God as like a sad pageant queen. Sad pageant media is something that I don't think there's enough of anymore. I think we need to go back to... I feel like Hole was the first sad pageant queen.

Hole? The album cover. Oh, yes, yes, yes. You know? Yeah, the sort of I'm a pageant girl, but like, it's not what you think. I'm sad. Yeah, it's not what you think. Yes, and so sad. And it just made me so happy to think about this music video. I will watch it later today, but it's Tiffany

Amber Thiessen sort of as like a pageant queen who I think even wins, but it's not what she thinks it's gonna be. It doesn't matter if you win. That's a rule of culture. Rule of culture number pageant queen who I think even wins, but it's not what she thinks it's going to be. It doesn't matter if you win. That's rule of culture. Rule of culture number 38. It doesn't matter if you win.

And I think that if you're in the pageant, then you've lost. That is actually a huge point. And we're all in the pageant in some way. Jesus Christ. Rule of culture number 39. We're all in the pageant in some way. Jesus Christ. I don't think so, honey, is actually going to be controversial.

And I'm just going to say it's going to be controversial, but everyone's going to be on board with it. Wow. That's so bold. I promise you this. Okay. So before we introduce the guests, indictment watch. The city is buzzing. The city feels different today.

We are waiting for the indictment to come down. We're literally blocks away. We are blocks away from the indictment. No, from Trump Towers. The indictment, which is, of course, different from the arraignment. The indictment happened. Yes. Got him.

How do you feel in this historic unprecedented moment fucking horned up oh my god i feel so happy because the indictment is just around the corner the indictment already happened yep he's been in got him and so then also um i've been listening to great music and as a result of as a result of vertical horizon, I want you to know the next song was, oh my God. Collide? No. Not even. It was, you say, I always hear what I want to.

And I was like, Jesus Christ, am I going to just be hitting it all day? Am I going to have an amazing day? That era. We never really went back to that era. Isn't that sad? Let's bring it back. In our culture of like, in our backwashy culture, we've never really genuinely. Not back to that era. Isn't that sad? Let's bring it back. In our culture of like, in our backwashy culture, we've never really

genuinely... Not backwashy culture. Like, the light has not shown on that part of the culture in a long time. I really don't like backwashy culture. But doesn't, but don't you, but you understand what I'm saying. I understand exactly what it means, and I can also identify that we're in it. And I don't like it

at all. You hear about this Harry Potter reboot? Moana again? I'm confused. Moana again? Harry Potter again? I don't get it. I don't need it. Stay tuned.

Stay tuned. I don't think so, honey. Our guests are here. And that's really why I'm so happy. Let's talk about our guests, because that's actually the reason why I'm actually so happy. I've been looking forward to this. And I did have to cancel yesterday and I feel the guilt.

And can I say, you're such a fucking bitch because you almost ruined our guests because, first of all, Exploration Live, more like Lost Cult, they're here on this podcast today. Oh, that's what you meant. I said, don't erase. It's actually one of my favorite pods. It's one of my favorite. I go,

these guys are so smart. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it's one of my favorite i go i love it guys are so smart i love it i love it i love it i love it it was truly that thing today i was listening to it and i was just like they had our fucking enemies george and sam of stradio lab vultures favorite new podcast um keep it in um they had them on last week and it was one of those things, Beau, where I hold my hand. I was like, you know when you listen to a podcast and you're like, I just want to chime in. Oh my god. Yes, you do know I can tell. Well, no, I felt the same way.

Yeah, let go of me now. Let go of me now. This is Exploration Live. This is their new podcast. Head Gum. Shout out. They've just newly gone to Head Gum. This is their live show at Union Hall

Bell House April 13th baby we cannot wait to talk to them and in some ways we already have off mic prior to

oh prior prior can I say something we were talking so much fucking shit and you'll never be able to hear it but for now

welcome to your ears Charlie and Marjane and the underwaterwater Lightning! Yay! I love you guys. Oh, thank you so much. You don't even know us. That was one of the funnest minutes of my life, those minutes.

What have you guys talked about in terms of intro culture with Sam and George? I loved it. It was fascinating. Oh, well. I missed this. Wait, first of all, I literally love you guys. I'm feeling so happy Hold my hand right now

That's going out to every person here We're at the smallest little table in the world We're literally getting like a nice intimate Italian dinner right now

We're also on the indictment watch episode This is We in Midtown Yeah We in Midtown We in Midtown We're actually on

the most important Avenue 9th Yeah Let's follow them down to the courthouse. We do a little bit. Oh my God, can we be like Lady Gaga and look for evidence of the indictment? I'm happy to help out however I can. Yes.

Put me in. I want to be there with a sign. I'll check folks. Let's go. After this, we're going. I didn't hear a peep about this indictment until literally two, three days ago. I was sitting with my other nanny friends watching the kids play. And one of the nannies goes, can't believe you got indicted.

The other nanny's like, it's about time. And I was like, who? Wait, and so that nanny that brought her up, is she sort of known as like the political nanny? Is she the political one? No, but she does have really strong opinions. Oh, I love her. She's political then is what you're saying.

No, exactly. Exactly. Because the personal is political. So sometimes it's like you parked your stroller inside like you must be fucked up if you think that. It's like, yeah,

that is politics. Who takes up space? Wait, where were we? Where were we? Oh, intro culture. So you guys are anti... But you don't always have guests well it's yeah so guests are new for us so we're really like feeling it out be honest do you hate it no no no no you can

be honest no we're not anti we're just not there yet like exactly but you are in ways you've had guests oh yeah but for intro like for us it's like okay so that was like i actually went to like complete giddy joyland, you guys doing the intro. Now I'm all warm. I'm ready to go. Yeah. We're fluffers. We're too shy to do talking in front of people.

Yeah. Without them. Like, you know what sometimes what we've done. We know it's for the greater good. Yeah. Sometimes it's like the podcast starts and we're like, can you guys go for it? And like, we need a second. The guest.

The guest will kind of be like, hi, I guess I'm the one who's sort of doing it now I love that we're feeling it out and we've always been open that it's like our process is pretty loose and that's okay

we've always been open that's so cool to be loose imagine if we did that I'm not just do the exercise that's amazing you know what I will say

one of the intro things is I'm always wanting to be like participating yeah and I'm trying to to be like participating. Yeah. And I'm trying to make a mental list of like, like I had a thought. Yeah. I was like, I have a note on this.

I have a note on this. I have a note on this. No, but also like you, it's so smart to do an intro because like you, if the grass comes in from the beginning and they're just like driving, what's the tone? What's the energy? Like it could be freaky. It could be freaky. I think this is the opposite side of this coin.

Are you ready? I think, okay, so. The tails, if you will. The tails. You guys were talking about post-hangout check-in culture. It was on. Oh, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so. That's important. Post-hangout check-in. So, like, texting someone after you've hung out. Oh, that was really fun. Yeah, totally. Right.

That is, like, well, that is, okay, but I think Natalie said something about, like, before the hangout. Yeah. To lubricate up to the hangout. It's like on the day, on the day of, you're texting each other, hey, can't wait to see you.

Right. And then it like ramps up within the last 15 minutes leading up to the hangout where you're like, oh my God, it's empty in here. Ha ha. Oh, I'm in the back. My socks look weird. I'm realizing. Yes.

Whatever. Yeah. Anticipation is what this is really coming down to. Yeah. And there's nothing hotter than anticipation. And we're here. As you guys are talking, we're like, ah! It's a crazy task to be silent.

You know what I mean? Right. And we're mic'd, so it's not even like, I'm covering my mouth. You can't get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially when you're such a conversationalist by trade. Exactly.

You know what I mean? Sometimes it's just hard to tamp that down. Yeah, exactly. It's so not me. Or Charlie. But it's true. You need the desire comes from separation. And we were desiring you while you were doing the intro.

To me, that feels like, okay, so when it's like, hey, I'm here early. Like, I just grabbed this table. That to me is always, I'm always so anxious. It doesn't matter if I really know the person. It doesn't matter if it's the first time. It doesn't matter if it's first time. I'm anxious. I'm like 3% horny. If you were to do that to me, I'd be 3% horny. Exactly.

And anxious. Because can you imagine if I texted you and I was like, hey, just grab the table. Haha, guess my outfit's a little crazy today, period. You know what I mean? You'd be like, my shirt's so yellow. Sometimes not texting that little flurry of message, sometimes that's so intense. It's very much like, I'll be in the yellow shirt with the rose.

And then you just have to find me. What's a rose? Okay, I thought you were, I'll be in the yellow shirt with the holding a rose. That's what I'm saying. Oh, that's what you're saying. Have you guys never hung out with Natalie? No, I have. She's always bringing a little flower.

I'm so obsessed with losing you guys so hard right away. Being so alone right off the bat. Because the flurry can kind of be like, we're friends, we're friends, ha ha, we're talking. And when you just wait, I'll meet you there at two. And you just sit there waiting to meet them at two. It's a little pen pal, meeting up with your lost lover. Let's move on.

Yeah. No, no, no. No. I wonder if they'll show up. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like we'll meet at the bridge in four years if you still want this. If you still want this.

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they didn't text each other they did not text each other that's what it's like if you meet up with someone and don't text beforehand that's what I'm saying see but that's bullshit though that's such bullshit

because here's the fucking bullshit here's the real fact is that even Miranda and Steve would have had to text each other to be like you're coming right right

I'm sorry but this is where no they wouldn't have Bowen shut up this is where rom-coms fuck us up you guys say shut up we say shut up to each other wait can I just say also

one more we're not there yet you guys don't you will never be there because that is not the bond she will never be there no I said you don't want to be there you don't want

you don't want you will never be there. You will never be there. You will never be there. You will never be there. One time I was with Natalie and then Francesca Duva was there. By the way, sings the amazing theme song. It's so good. She's a prodigy of our time.

I played a K-pop song to Celeste on Saturday and then they go, this sounds like a Francesca song. I was like, oh my god. This sounds like a Francesca song. I was like, oh my God. This sounds like a Francesca song. It's crazy. You know you made it. And it's actually a compliment to both the song and Francesca.

Yes. Absolutely. But one time I was hanging out with Natalie, and then Francesca was telling this story. It was like a wild story about like, I don't know. I forgot what it was about. What was it?

I think it was about her mom. Yeah. Francesca did something to her mom. Yeah, she said something. And then you said, you did that? And there's something about it's not really reading as I'm saying it but there's something about the inflection of that

that is really so powerful. I think the vibe of it was a little like she said something insane and it was a little quiet at the table and it was like what? But this really drills down into my theory, the theory that we've had for years, which is that the word that is so comedically powerful.

It's so funny. Because it's really all things. It's a noun. It's a noun. It's a weaponized pronoun. Yeah. It is a pronoun. It's an intact pronoun.

As a pronoun. It's a weaponizable pronoun. And it also, it can be, it can be adjectivity too. It's like, she was so, that.

Oh my God, that's so true. Verb energy. That. Verb energy. Say that. Yeah. Verb energy.

Yeah. Big verb energy is title of that. No, but Natalie said, and then Natalie said, it's verb energy, and then she did. Whatever. Not married she did. Whatever.

Not married to it. It's giving obsession. It's giving obsession. Well, I'm drawn to the guests. Actually, I was on both your Instagrams watching all the reels. All the reels.

Let's talk about reels. Can we talk about reels? Because now they're saying do reels, do reels. Right, right, right. And we've been doing them. For better or worse, it is what's happening. That's beautiful.

For a while it was, be reels, be reels. Now it's do reels. How fast did be real die? Well, oh my God. Be real was gone. I remember doing be real and being like, I know at some point this will be over, but I cannot imagine it. Like, this is such a huge part of my life. And then literally like, four days later it was like

completely done. Couldn't even imagine it. I can't wait for the like, I don't want to say that. What I want to say is this. Like the be real, like, Uber dock thing. I was like, we'll never die! And then they did. It's French, by the way, so it'll be French Uberda.

Oh, we'll never die. Are you kidding me? I'm not lying. Are you real? It's French? That's so not them. They're so not them. They're so live in the moment.

Oh, but they're so live in the moment. They're so live in the moment. There we go. So French. The identity. They're so French. I was at a bachelorette party this weekend. Really?

Yeah. You did that? That's Tyler. You did that? That's Tyler. You did that? And the bride and all of the new sisters I made are listeners and readers and lovers. They're new sisters? Yeah, of course. Wait, so.

Talk about it. Wait, but what I need to say is at the bachelorette party, it was be real. It was time to be real. And I announced. And I was like, literally 17 girls. I only knew like three of them. The other ones were like the other friends. And I was like, it's time to be real. And I announced, and it was like literally 17 girls. I only knew like three of them. The other ones were like the other friends. And I was like, it's time to be real.

And it was like, blink, blink. Oh, no, they didn't know? Were they like super Y-O-U-N-G? Y-O-U-N-G. No. Wait, I'm not like a master speller, Charlie. Wait, okay, so I heard you said this on your pod. Are you actually bad at spelling? Horrendous. Horrendous. Horrend so I heard you said this on your pod. Are you actually bad

at spelling? Horrendous. Horrendous. Can you spell horrendous? Honey, wait. Don't do that. Honey. Don't do that.

Wait, you know when you're like you're nervous or something and you're like they're not going to make me like spell horrendous. Sometimes I Google the word I'm trying to spell and Google's like

we don't know what you want to do. We don't know what spell And Google's like We don't know What What you want to do We don't know what even What even you're suggesting We don't know what direction to take it in And I just have to send the word as is to the friend And be like

What do you make of this Well that's like me with knowing what words mean Like oftentimes Bowen will say something like He'll be like Oh like But I don't use the words correctly He'll be like obsequious Yeah yeah

100% Wait that's like Charlie What's that word I really connect with you when you say, I know my heart. I don't know my words, but I do know my heart. Because that to me is, you know, you can't be what you can't see. No. Can I say something about the knowing words thing, which is kind of like what you said?

Go, please, please. Is that if you're the only one who knows the word. Then you suck. You actually get, yes. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You're going to say something different. No, no, no, no, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. No, no, no, no. That's a self-trag. No, latitude because no one's gonna check you on it

you're saying like obsequious or whatever people are like well take your word for it i'm using it wrong yeah no and wait i was on radio lab live show, and I used, what word was it? And I used a word, and I was with Ayo. I've been there. And I was like, wait, did I just pronounce that wrong? And she was like, yes. And it was like, in the bell house full of people, and I was like, it was like the first thing I said, like first words out of my mouth. What was the word?

I don't know. Is there nothing more embarrassing? Aren't you so embarrassed for someone? Maybe you aren't. Aren't you so embarrassed for someone who uses the word like nonplussed wrong? And you're like, that's actually the opposite of me. Yes, totally. I feel humiliated. Yeah, it's the worst,

isn't it, Natalie? When someone says nonplussed and I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Someone misused nonplussed for me. I'm with you. Because it sounds like it's gonna be totally different. No, no, no, but to me, of course, we understand the nonplussed of it all.

There's like a tribalism going on already in this room. Don't you think that's good? Totally. And we have the same kind of microphones and they have the same kind of microphones too. Oh my God. We have booze. Can I tell you something?

Look at me. I'd rather be us. Of course. We'll be gone. No choice. I'd rather be us. Tall to the earth, queens. This is not what we should have...

I know. I shouldn't have pointed it out. I know. Put a wick you on it, and it's hard. It comes up because also. Well, to me. Charlie, you go. I'm going to go quickly.

Please. The other thing of using, like, vocab words is that you say it, and it's like, well, nobody knows what that means, so you've actually said nothing. That's what I'm saying. It's like, you're not communicating at all. You're failing. I want to say, there was an era where Bowen. Oh, no. You know, you might even know what I'm going to say there was an era where Bowen... Oh, no.

You might even know what I'm going to say. Because this word haunted me. Oh, no. I wonder what it was. The word was... I want to guess. Can you guess? No, no, no.

The word was jejun. Wait! I have a whole thing with this. What's your... Please go on. What's your thing with jejun? This is your moment. Come on.

Los culturistas. I have a list of words on my phone that I read in books that I'm like, those are cool words and I didn't know what they meant. And the one I just added was JeJune. Go ahead, Bowen. Define JeJune. JeJune was me at my most 24-year-old self. That's true.

You were doing it at 30. I was not doing it at 30. I gave up JeJune like after Hillary lost. I was like, you know what? Elitism is over. Yeah, you're so right. Define JeJune.

You're like, you think they're saying JeJune in Trump country who we now have to understand? There's a whole op-ed in the New York Times about JeJune. People who, latte sipping,

JeJune saying. Wait, but what is JeJune? JeJune is like, JeJune, you're stupid, you're dumb, you're immature, Jejun saying. Wait, but what is Jejun? Jejun is like, Jejun. Jejun is like, you're stupid, you're dumb, you're immature,

you're like. That's your Jejun? Yeah, well you, I don't know if you guys noticed this before, but before Charlie sort of like slayed a French accent.

I didn't mean to be this way. It's another actually thing with you guys. It's another thing. And it reminded me of the other night where Charlie and I were talking about singing

and Charlie sort of turned away and like sang beautifully. And then I sort of like went like, excuse me, hi, hi, hi. I heard that. And I was like, oh my god, you did? Stop, I'm so embarrassed. I thought I was alone. It was like sort of perfect. Describe it.

It was like really healthy which shocked me because like. Why? Because we were in a basement of the knockdown center and I felt like everyone had been screaming and sort of slaying. And then to hear this like healthy sort of gorgeous resonant like perfect vibrato come out. So beautiful. And he had just told me about his acapella culture. Yes.

I did acapella. At Yale University. Yeah. I'm not loving the way I'm coming off in this episode, but I can only Why would you not love it? You get to be the Bowen. That means that you're the most beloved. No, no. That is not even true. Of course.

You understand. You're like, actually being the Bowen, it can be a little bit harder. Charlie puts the Bowen and goes, you understand what it means to be Bowen? Yeah, Bowen and Charlie, both French and white. French, white singers.. French, white singers. Both French, white singers. It's Apollo Dionysus, okay?

It's Pinky and the Brain. That's the Dionysus. It is. You guys trade it off, though. Yeah, well, it's like the truth is the truth, of course. Yes. But you also like to play what you like to play. You know what I mean?

Yes, totally. That's so true. So true. Like, you could be, like, smart, down words, whatever, but it's like, I like Pinky. I like Pinky, too. You know what I mean? Like, I feel very comfortable with Pinky.

And we're actually wider and broader than that, but in the moment, it's like, what do I play off of? Exactly. And Bone and I are wider and broader than that. Yeah. Sometimes. I love to play at that.

Yeah. Sort of, you know, wear the mask. Right. It's an act, of course. It's an act. When I don't know stuff, obviously.

You guys remember that we saw Slug nine, three days ago? Yeah. Oh my God. That was so fun. It was amazing. Did you like Slug?

Yes. The power of Slug. Wait, and the audience. The audience really wanted Sluck. Can I say something, actually? You can always say something. I was watching some of the Sluck stories. People were taking stories of Sluck.

No problem. They were capturing the other co-hosts on that stage. Oh, what? Did you see? It was just a lot of people being like. I definitely. Here's what I'll say. But when Bob and I were about to go up

as Sluck and sort of shut down the night I turned to Bow and we're in our Sluck outfits which are essentially crop tops

that are disgusting our faces are full of red lipstick I'm so addicted to the outfit and then we wear little little tiny underwear it's Joker-fully

it's basically Joker-fully and I turned to Bow and I said I can't believe that everyone is going to be behind us when we do this

that all of our peers are going to be behind us and the audience is not only going to see us perform but them try to perform behind

But they didn't they were not performing they did not really you would think if I were on stage on display watching someone perform

no matter what I'm going to give you a layer of active watching They did not really. You would think, if I were on stage, on display, watching someone perform, no matter what, I'm going to give you a layer of active watching. Like, oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm definitely going to be smiling. Right. Wait, what did you see?

Just kind of slack jaw. I saw about 70% slack jaw. But not us, by the way. Not you guys. And it wasn't even an act. I was so enthralled. I couldn't believe it. Are you sure?

That was one of our best mixes ever. And that was Don Yang makes the mixes ever and that was Bo and Yang makes the mixes because I'm you're not going to believe this but inept on the computer. Hey baby. I famously did not believe

that my computer made PDFs for about six years and I would have to when I was at NYU I had to send my send my scripts to Sudi Green

so she could print out my form. She's your PDF friend. She's PDF. Because her computer could make PDFs and I couldn't. And she was like,

I can't even engage with you on this because it's so stupid and I don't want to make you feel bad. But your computer can make PDFs and you just don't know how.

You thought yours could make PDFs because you had a porn virus on it. I'm sort of famously always on porn. By the way, I love this stuff.

Love this stuff. It's so good. Porn is just amazing sometimes. What can't she do? What can't she do? The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is.

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Is it like the product placement in porn now is getting crazy? Like literally I watched... Don't even, don't even, yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched a porn the other day. This is my I Don't Think So Honey later. Not about porn, not about... Did you see this one? Did you see this one? I was watched a porn the other day this is my I don't think so honey later not about porn not about did you see this one

did you see this one I was watching a porn Jay Leno over here and at the very top of the porn was someone reaches over and goes

have you read this new book no it's by Isaac Oliver and it was Isaac Oliver's book and I was like Intimacy Idiot by Isaac Oliver

it was like this is really good and then the other guy goes, oh yeah, I actually was at his book signing. He's really funny. Wait, and then they put the book down

and they started to fuck. That can be how it's like though, by the way. That's truer than anything. That can be like true in real life. Right. Like actually like, totally.

In hookups it is like, you're like in someone's room and you're like, hey, so did you read that? And they're like, yeah, I thought it was cool.

And then you do start fucking and like that is actually how it goes. It's completely scripted to life. I want that. I don't. it was cool and then you do start fucking and like that is actually how it goes it's completely scripted to life I want that I don't what was the one that you showed me a few weeks ago

it was on the pod it was the best this is the funniest shit I've ever seen it was the beginning of a porn

two guys and this guy goes I have to tell you something it's so funny and just pulls up a clip from Jennifer Coolidge from the movie Single All The Way

and she's like gay guys know how to do stuff and then I put the phone away and they go picture picture

and picture there's a little rectangle at the bottom right corner of Jennifer Coolidge no shot of the phone no like reverse shot it's just PIP

PIP and then and then he puts the phone down and he goes that's so funny and then he goes to the guy she's right though gay guys do know how to do stuff and then they puts the phone down and he goes, that's so funny. And then he goes to the guy, she's right though.

Gay guys do know how to do stuff. And then they start making out. Wait, that's so good. That's smart. That's so smart. Well, I think it's cool. It's like, what time is it? Is it now?

Is it floating in space? Is it from another time period? It's a good time stamp. It was post-single all the way. So current day. It took place in the present. But Single All The Way came out during Omicron. Oh, God.

I hope they didn't have Omicron back in the video. I don't think they cared at all. I bet they didn't test on that shoot. You think they're testing for COVID on porn shoots? Of course. I think they are. We're testing to do our podcast. Why are you so confident?

What do you mean you're testing to do our podcast? Why are you so confident? What do you mean you're testing? The vibe is it's like, of course we test. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? The vibe is like, yeah, this is a safe shoot. Wait, Natalie and I

are having a moment now. I'm like, wait, can I just say something that I've been like miming stuff to Bo in the Instagram podcast which is so not appropriate and then it's like

you have to stop and like explain it. I was thinking that HeadGum is having us test whenever we go to the board and we're like PMI. We don't want to know. Yeah, it is like so scary

every time because it's like what if? And then it'd be like we're in the office and we're like, okay, I'm going to go home. Bye. That's like one time

I was hanging out with Celeste and Fran. We got in the car together. This was like peak COVID and I was like, honestly, I'm just going to test because I'm like feeling a little weird.

We were all already in the car together driving to the beach in the winter to go have a little beach day we got our sandwiches i was like i don't know i'm feeling weird i put the test i do it in my nose and put it in the little console in the car we're driving driving driving and it's like looking good looking good and then the test like after 15 minutes and it's like positive we were like we just like pulled the car over like all got out we were like what's the plan i had to sit like 40 feet away from them i ate my sandwich and then we're like let's drive back windows down and just kind of hope for the best you're like and then it was fine no problem well there's another thing of when you have covet and roommates and it's like okay we're gonna kind

of try to keep it separate but at a certain certain point, it's like, good luck. Good luck. Literally good luck. Didn't you have COVID very bad? Yes. Yes. Isn't that the thing? I just got it immediately.

Yeah. And was scared and was really anxious. No, no. But don't downplay. I feel like you have a complex. I do have a complex. It wasn't that bad, but you were coughing up a lung. Oh, no.

At a time we didn't know. And it lasted a long time. It was like a month. I heard about this. It hurt our group chat. Because no, no, no. And we were all embarrassed. No, I'm not embarrassed.

No, it's okay. I'm just saying we were all very concerned. People were worried. Yeah. Well, that was the time when the group chat also became like a doctor's association. Yes. Every group chat?

Yeah, yeah. Like in COVID. So it was like, you know, I heard about someone who still has it a month later like you know what I mean you needed it it was literally like

I think it was like either George or Sam or someone just like said to our group that like Charlie has it period it's bad I remember that

and I was just like oh my god no I was such a crazy I can't believe like it got out like that actually it wasn't like that no it wasn't

it's bad it's bad it's bad it's not looking good crazy. I can't believe it got out like that. Okay, actually, it wasn't like that. No, it wasn't like that. It's bad. It's bad. It's not looking good for an old chunk. But it was bad. It wasn't like, Charlie has it like, bad. It was like, oh my god. It was just like, in retrospect, it wasn't

that good. The narrative around it was like, it could turn for the worse at any moment. And it was like, it turn for the worst at any moment. And it was like it wasn't ever going away. And there was no testing also. Yeah. I mean, it was me and my like kind of random roommate.

Shout out to Amy. And we both had it. I'm sure she reads. Yeah. I bet you she does read. Amy. Are we still with Amy? No.

No. We're not together anymore. I want to do a quick. Like some people here. Like some people. Oh. She moved to Los Angeles Well I'm moving back

Okay You are? I've had it Are you serious? Had it with the city You serious? Yeah Do you guys still live here?

Welcome home I know I'm religious Do you still live here? Don't move Don't go to LA I'm not going anywhere I'm living My whole family's here

Yeah Exactly I gotta be here Oh in Manhattan right? Yeah I'm getting lunch with my mom after this. Are you seriously? You guys are doing a Raidman watch?

Yeah. What? You guys are doing a Raidman watch? All of a sudden, it's like sort of become this thing of like talking about like family and having lived here. So that I feel like is giving a segue into the question. But before we do, I just want to say, you shouted out Ayo before. Ayo.

And Ayo was the last time we had a political episode. Whoa. So this is our most political episode since Ayo. Since Ayo. Debra was on. That was after Omarosa. That was Omarosa Day. Omarosa quit the staff.

Omarosa quit. When Omarosa quit Trump and we played. I mean, there was a long political lull until right now. Yes, for years. And we thought that nothing happened. So there hasn't been much politics since you put the staff. No.

We took a break from that. Yeah. We had a joke that was like, what if every news outlet like went dark and only we could have reported on January 6th? Like it would have just

been us on the ground like we are so disgusted and repulsed. But what we are seeing here today is horrible and we understand it and we're just, it's terrible.

That made us feel weird. But this is like sort of the second political episode. Right, right. And you chose the right people. Yeah, I could tell. I could tell. I looked deep into both your eyes and said, these are political. Every exploration is political in some way.

Of course. You're thinking of a better world or an alternate reality. That is politics. Period. First of all, it's like the thing when you text your friend and they don't respond for a little while. That's politics. Ideas are political. They're the most dangerous thing we have.

Slash best. Oh my God. Ideas are revolution. Ideas are a new page Ideas are Right Something to follow Ideas are

Yes Ideas can't be killed Ideas can't be killed Ideas can be Heightened Ideas can be explored Yes Right

And Look at that I mean I have chills I have chills But you guys You realize you guys Are doing that every day And you know we never

Were able to explain What the podcast was Before right now Yeah actually like I want to steal that every day. And you know we never were able to explain what the podcast was before right now. Yeah, actually I want to steal that ass copy. Yeah. Thank you. Ideas cannot be killed. Ideas cannot be heard. Something like that.

And I just want to say that now you guys are in your guest era. Bowen is too busy. I am not too busy. What do you mean? You can't be on the podcast. You can barely do this one. No, shut up. You can barely even do this podcast.

I need to be on with you. We need to be on the podcast. Oh, I see what you mean. You can barely do this one. No, shut up. You can barely even do this podcast. I need to be on with you. We need to be on. Well, the vibe actually is it's like we're like, we would love to ask him. It's like, they wouldn't do something like that. Are you fucking kidding me? Well, that's how we felt about this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing it.

We were like, I mean, ask him. But we're not Brie Larson. Right. Exactly. Who has never been on the pod. Who has never been on the pod, by the way. But, but, but. Wait, wait. You hear what I'm saying? Hold hands again, because guess what? Oh, exactly. Who has never been on the pod. But, but, but, wait.

You hear what I'm saying. Hold hands again, because guess what? There she comes. The one good thing. Brie Larson is here. Captain Marvel herself. Wait, the one good thing that's happening in LA recently is there's a queer line dancing thing that happens. Which is like sort of not for me,

but I definitely will go go not even Cotton Eye Joe like they would call that Jejun no they wouldn't I'm just using Jejun they're tough anyway here's what I want to say

and then we can all let go but what I want to say is I'm squeezing so hard Brie Larson went to queer line dancing

stop it stop it we were there no but Jared oh fine I like when a celebrity decides that she needs levity and joy in her life, and she turns to gay people.

Yeah. I think that's so great. Who was the first to do that? Judy. Judy was the first to turn to gays. Judy was the first for levity. Yeah, for levity. Yeah.

For a little fun for once. A little fun for once. Anyway, so yes, that's the one good thing that's happening in LA is Brie Larson at Queer Line Dancing. Silver Lake at Club Bahia.

And can I say something? You two are Brie Larson. Thank you. Yeah, in many ways. Don't say we're no Brie Larson. I know. I don't know why I said that. That was so weird.

We are Brie Larson. We are Brie Larson. She wishes. Brie Larson. It's really hard to say. And we're talking about the girl from Amy Schumer's movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, was she in Amy Schumer's movie? What Amy Schumer movie?

She was the sister, right? In which one? She was the sister. Wait, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, Brie Larson was the sister in Trainwreck. And that's actually a real culture number 98. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brie Larson was the sister in Trainwreck. Yeah. That's amazing. Wow. Well, that's so funny, too, like. Brie Larson was the sister in Trainwreck. Yeah. That's amazing.

Wow. Well, that's so funny, too, for Brie Larson to play like a sister. Yeah, yeah. She's not the sister. Well, here's the thing. Brie Larson can be the sister. She actually was

very much the sister until she literally won an Oscar. Right, right. So one day, she literally won an Oscar, but before that, she had been

really the sister. In fact, she was won an Oscar, but before that she had been really the sister. In fact, she was the daughter in United States of Terror. Wow. Wait, how? Nevermind. What? Didn't she win an Oscar when she was like 22 in Room or something? She won a very young girl Oscar.

She's a young girl. We're kind of in Room right now. She won a very young girl. That was very young of her. Don put us in Room. This is very much Room. Don. Gave us a pitcher of water and he said, young of her. He put us in room.

This is very much room. Gave us a pitcher of water and he said room. It's tiny and small and we got a couple of trombles and a couple of breads. We're putting Jacob in the trunk. Can I say something? If this... Who's a tromble? Who's a Larson? I'm literally saying it right now.

No, no, no. I feel that to be Bowen means to be tromble. What? Because I'm telling saying it right now. Trombley. No, no, no, no. I feel that to be Bowen means to be Trombley. What? Because I'm telling you something. If shit goes down in here, you and I are running the show. Wait, I don't. You. I would say, I wonder if that goes this way.

I think so. We're the ones who have to be protected. I think so. But we have such seeds of hope within us. I don't think anything's ever happened. Do you guys identify as more mommy or daddy? Whoa. protected? I think so. But we have such seeds of hope within us. Do you guys identify as more mommy or daddy? Oh, that's really hard. I actually think I have an answer. I think it's daddy, actually.

You identify as daddy? I think so. Because you have directions and general knowledge, stuff like that. I'm stubborn sometimes. You know what I mean? I identify as daddy in that I'm'm allowed to be like an idiot and not know anything and there's some like beautiful girl who's gonna take care of me right right right that is also so true like yeah yeah i know well actually i in my growing up and i will go there

for a second wait yeah yeah yeah i was kind of like what's gonna happen to me like where's my jacket like where are my shoes like whatever and then of like, what's going to happen to me? Like, where's my jacket? Like, where are my shoes? Like, whatever. And then, and like, I was like, are there girls like me? You know what I mean?

Like, I don't know. And then I looked at my dad who has my same face and he's like, my mom's like, if you eat an apple and leave the core wherever you're sitting one more time,

like, I'm going to lose my mind. I'm like, I could do that. You know what I mean? Like, I could do that. It's a path forward. And I'm like, when someone's birthday, it's like,, I could do that. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I could do that. It's a path forward. And I'm like, when someone's birthday, it's like, you just get a wife. You know what I mean?

Oh, my God. So, what's up with you guys? I think you two are absolutely daddy. I think we're both mommy. I'm definitely mommy. I think both of us are mommy. I'm for sure mommy. Mommy, mommy, mommy.

I'm like, it's okay energy. I'm not a big deal energy. But I also think that, and I'm perceptive. Yes. I also think, Matt, you have strong opinions like a mommy with a lot of care. Oh, absolutely. That's amazing. So true.

I'm mommy because I also am not like a reprimander. I'm not like a disciplinarian. I'm more just like, well, I think we made a mistake today. That's right. Right. And I think you're mommy bone because you give special attention. Oh, my God. And quiet power.

Good listening. Quiet power is so. But see, sometimes quiet power is just me going, I don't have anything to say. I don't have a thought. That's mommy sometimes. She's busy. She needs a little time to be blank. I'm mommy in that it's tired. Wait, we're talking about childhoods.

I think this is the time to ask. We're like an hour and we haven't asked the question yet. Take it away, Bowen. We're going to ask you both. Let's start with Natalie. Natalie, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? Okay. Thanks guys. Well mine is going to be

and I've been thinking about this obviously. Well we hope. The Austin Powers franchise. Oh. Has anyone done that recently? No but actually it did come up recently because Bowen revealed that as a child he dressed up as Austin Powers. I didn't even dress up as Austin Powers. Oh, I love it. I didn't even dress up as Austin Powers.

You just did a voice. I just did. You said, don't make it randy, baby. And it was Bible camp and people went crazy. Yeah, that's going to crush. That was a crush. Because it's monoculture. Because it's monoculture.

It's monoculture. At the time. At the time. I think still. Still. What's monoculture. At the time. At the time. I think still. Still. What's your favorite movie? Talk about your favorite movie, your favorite moments,

and your favorite supporting characters. Thank you so much. Well, I was a strong, I had a strong connection to the Beyonce movie, which I think is Goldmember. Yeah, it's Goldmember. Of course. And that one I used to watch,

like my friend would come over, we would be like, okay, we have to study tonight, but let's just put on Goldmember. Yeah. To help us like learn like science and it just like it was just like powerful like first of all smoking a pancake smoking a pancake pipe and blends like that stuff like i think it's still in me and it's not deep down it's at the top yeah and i recently have been getting into james bond right i never

watched it before and characters yeah and my family i had all sisters like we didn't do any boy movies like we didn't touch like no scarf i don't know what like whatever i don't care about but so we never watched that we watched awesome powers and now i'm watching james bond for the first time and i'm like this has really strong echoes of Austin Powers. Yes. And it does flow in that direction. It's inspired by. Yeah. Right. But at a certain point, Austin Powers must have inspired James Bond.

Do you know what I'm saying? Right. No, exactly. I think there's no Skyfall without Spioshag. I agree. Literally. Spioshag. I think the sexuality of Austin Powers is also, like, exactly on point, true to life, like, realism.

Yes. Perfect. Like like that's how you feel he's so horny he's so shag oriented like and you know what actually i like forgot about this but like one of the most like powerful helpful like mechanisms of thinking in my life has been like when awesome powers loses his mojo yes and when he finds it he finds out that he has it. Can we talk about this? Because I think about I think about mojo all the time. Yes. And I think about

Heather Graham telling him while they're escaping the moon like he's like but I need my mojo and she's like you had it all along.

And then she said something like and trust me you're gonna get the girl and I'm like that's so true. Heather Graham is good. We love Heather Graham and this actually

is a big announcement I have an announcement to make here she comes Heather Graham has won the Las Culturistas Icon Award

she has won this is amazing Heather Graham oh my god you deserve this and you join a very short list of people that have won the

last Coach Races Icon Award. Who won it last year? Adele? I think it's Adele. Heather Graham. You guys are coming to the awards, by the way. I can't wait. Where to bleep it?

That was scary. You'll have to be at the awards. Maybe you'll present. be at the awards. We will have to be there. Maybe you'll present. Okay, so. Might even be nominated. Oh! Oh!

Oh! Anyway. Most picky in brain. Most picky in brain. Okay. So. Yeah. Yeah, so.

Heather Graham, the mojo. Yes. Like, and then what do you feel about? Wait, you know what's like probably the best? Oh, yeah. So the mojo. So sometimes in your life, you're just like, what's up with about? Wait, you know what's like probably the best? Oh, yeah. So the mojo. So sometimes in your life, you're just like, what's up with me? Yeah.

Why is something wrong? And I'm like, you know what? Totally. Me too. No, but I think I have a mojo back. See, there. Yes. And it's such a thing of like, you lost it and it's coming back to you.

Right. Sometimes your mojo is just gone. And then you feel it come back and you're like, I'm Randy, baby. Yeah. Here we go. So true. And he's so honest about it, too. He's like, I'm Randy, baby. Yes. Here we go. So true. And he's so honest about it, too. He's like, I'm just not feeling good.

And that's actually very open. It's very sweet. There's something like, he's a good model of masculinity. Absolutely. Because you can't deny he is that man. You know what I mean? But also, he's going to come forward and say, my mojo's gone. And also, Austin Powers is very vulnerable.

Yeah. With his dad? Yeah. Okay, I was just going to say, daddy wasn't there to change my underwear. Yeah. Take me to the fair. But I was going to say, Mike Myers has never been sexier than in that segment of Goldmember when he's singing, daddy wasn't there.

Absolutely. And I'm like, Mike Myers, Mike Myers, sexy. Oozing sexuality. Wait, can I also tell you one of my favorite parts of any of the whole franchise is, ladies and gentlemen,

Mr. Bud Bacharach and Elvis Costello and they're all, what do you get when you fall in love? Spend a time with Elizabeth Hurley like dancing on the bus.

I love those movies so much. Those are sweet movies. And also, Elizabeth Hurley, gorgeous. I have those movies so much. Those are sweet movies. And also, Elizabeth Hurley. Gorgeous. I have an announcement to make. Elizabeth Hurley, you have won the Last of Us Reasons Icon Award! Congratulations, Elizabeth. You have never looked better, and you have a hot son, too.

Yes! And you're amazing. Her son is like a model. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. No. I haven't seen his acting. And in order to win the Icon Award, you have to be a...

Actress. A actress. You have to be an actress. Sorry. You do. Britney Spears and Goldmember in the beginning. Sorry. Just shift gears.

Oh, right. Where they're chasing him? Yes. Is that the one? No, they're in like a dance circle and theymember in the beginning. Sorry, just shift gears. Oh, right! Were they chasing him? Yes. Wait, is that the one? No, they're in like a dance circle and they like circle each other singing boys.

Boys. Poet remix. That's right. And he's like doing this little thing. Wait, remember the scene where he's in the golf cart trying to like get out?

Yeah, get out. Oh, it's so funny. It's like, ee, ee, ee, ee. It's like, it's so iconic. Cause we're among us. Right. No, exactly.

It's true. Wait, you know what I love about them too? Is that like, I watch them and it's like the structure of the movies really is it's like

sketch sketch sketch yeah yeah it's a little set piece where it's like and here's the joke for the next five minutes right and then they move on

and they're like okay so they're in the hot tub and you can't see the words so the subtitles make it look horny right right it's like that's the or it's like

a thing is covering his penis right it looks like he's pissing in the fountain right what always got me was the like shadow

bits they would do of like it looked like it looked like she was having a baby or he was having a baby or they were fucking and she was like

ooh like you know all that shit like well thank god for a slapstick you know what I mean thank god

head to toe fun head to toe fun it's just a blast for the whole fam and of course gold member was important culture because it's just a blast for the whole fam and of course gold member was important culture because it's also

teachable culture because a lot of little gay white boys at the time were like I'm a whole lot of woman and now you look back and you're like oh no

you know what I mean how many times did I say I was a whole lot of woman like in the like Foxy Cleopatra like in the high school hallway like probably too many

right right well there's a lot of hours to reckon with yeah Like Foxy Cleopatra. In the high school hallway, probably too many. Right, right. Well, there's a lot of hours to reckon with. We fully endorse it. No comment. Not exactly. No notes, but... Notes. The Real Housewives of New York City

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Yeah. You ask. Charlie Bardang. Okay. It's now time for you to tell us what was the culture that made you say culture was for you. And I actually cheated and asked him this question the other night

because we were sort of having a conversation in the era where I thought this wasn't going to happen where he wasn't a singer and now everyone gets this is actually right before I found out

what I was dealing with right you're talking to a vocalist period and I'm looking at you in the eyes I see you queen now the world gets to know

okay I'm wanting to change because I'm inspired by that, but I won't. No, Charlie. I'm going to stick with it. And for me, my true answer is

Star Magazine, Jen and Brad divorce. Oh my God. Wow. Okay. So when you say that, do you sort of mean like when that feeling of looking at

like the supermarket rack and it being everywhere or like that sort of tabloid culture. Right. It's a tabloid culture, but we had them in the house. So it's like, I really read Star Magazine every week.

You had them in the house? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom had them. And I was like engaged and invested. And you're such a voracious reader. Yeah. Every, whatever day of the week it was, it would come.

Yeah. You were like, I was like, let me check, let me follow up. And also it's like, there's a whole. Yeah. Every, whatever day of the week it was, it would come. Yeah. You were like, oh my God. I was like, let me check, let me follow up. And also it's like, there's a whole culture of like celebrity evaluation that happens there, right? Oh my God. Yeah.

Like, like, like the fashion police on Us Weekly. Is that what you're talking about? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Totally. Totally. Like, because, and it started there because it's like, I mean, this is the thing I share with my mom who I'm getting lunch with in a minute.

Like, where. You guys remember. I remember. This is actually all going to be about my mom too because. We get. Well, oh my God, this is actually all gonna be about my mom too because well oh my god this is a lot to say my mom and dad got divorced

at the same time as them and my mom has the same color hair as Jennifer Aniston there it is is your dad

sort of Brad Pitt in a way yeah he can be do you know what I mean yeah absolutely in that he's a man he's older than me so all the pieces

are kind of there totally he had a blonde wife yeah he had like me, so all the pieces are kind of there. Totally. He had a blonde wife. Yeah, he had like a dirty blonde wife. You know what I mean? He had a dirty blonde wife. My mom was going to be like, hey. That's very Austin Powers.

But wait, this will be a question that is too much. There was no Angelina. There wasn't Angelina. And my stepmom has black hair like Angelina or brown hair. This is crazy.. Yeah. There was no Angelina. There wasn't Angelina. And my stepmom has black hair like Angelina, or brown hair. This is crazy. I know. So you have to understand me at age like nine or whatever, reading this and being like, okay, so this is actually magic.

Like I'm holding a magic book that's true in the world. Yeah, exactly. Wow. It's crazy. I'm following like what's going to happen to them and what's going to happen to me. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like this is the future

do you know what I mean like there were maybe a few steps ahead so I'm reading it and I'm like this is so this is a powerful document oh my god

and it's actually like a book of spells yeah exactly but dad is still a stepmom yes so guess what it was not the future

because it did not it didn't work out they actually everybody wins in your scenario but not with Brad I remember being a few years ago I had to unlearn yes you did I did I and Angelina I remember being a few years ago

I had to unlearn yeah you did I had to unlearn I remember a few years ago being so shocked that Brad and Angelina were gonna get divorced I just for some reason

thought like maybe it was because after the whole Brad and Jen thing happened I then saw Mr. and Mrs. Smith in the theaters

and I was like oh well duh like they met each other's person like they so clearly are soulmates so that years later

when they stayed married for so long and had that big family and they divorced I was like huh and now for it to be so ugly

I know it's also so wild it feels like off like off script a little bit glitch in the matrix that's when it started to be like

what is happening with like wait was Star Magazine not like this powerful thing? Right. You know what I mean? Hold on. Yeah.

I had this other part of this where it's like the celebrity culture of like evaluating and being like a little gay kid who is like she does not look good

in that dress and I used to watch like Fashion Police and Project Runway with my mom and be like so critical I was like

I cannot believe like Jennifer Love Hewitt wore that to the Oscars. Meanwhile be like so critical. I was like, I cannot believe like Jennifer Love Hewitt wore that to the Oscars. Meanwhile, like at a time where I was like wearing green skinny jeans to school every single day. Green? Like lime green skinny jeans

and being like, honey, she does not look good. I remember like there was a line that always appeared in Fashion Police. Whenever someone wore something fuzzy, I would... Muppet, Muppet, Muppet. I would have to put the magazine down and roll around

and laugh. When anyone would say how many Muppets had to die to make this? I would just, I would cry and scream laughing. They got you. Nothing funnier to me than a Muppet massacre for fashion. I would scream, cry,

carry on, throw hands. I would be, cry, carry on, throw hands. I would be up in my bedroom like, you don't understand. I think I'd run down to the kitchen and like, I would be like, mom, mom, you have to read this. How many Muppets have died for

Rose McGowan to wear this? And it's just like, okay. Thanks, sweetie. I'm not as gay as you. She's like, I can't keep up with that. I don't want to engage in that. There's no possible way for me to think this is as funny as you do. Can I tell a story?

I'll never forget this. Star Magazine is involved. I think we were in Orlando. Important. See you soon. See you soon. See you soon. We were staying off the property, like Motel 6. We had to go to the grocery store to buy instant noodles or something for dinner.

You and your family, not me. Oh, no, no. It was me. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Yes, I gave you a place, not the time. It was like 2003 or something.

Okay, perfect. You're 13. We're in the checkout line at the grocery store buying a bunch of instant noodles that was going to be our meal, basically. And then there's a Star magazine at the checkout line. Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey are on it. And my mom goes,

my mom looks at this magazine cover and has a look of terror on her face. And I go, Mom, what's wrong? it well and my mom goes my mom looks at this magazine cover and like has the a look of terror on her face mom what's wrong she goes that woman I can tell that it's not a good woman that is not being like just like it's Jessica Simpson looking seductively at the camera like this. And I think she had a lot of lip gloss on, so it looked a little crazy. My mom was like, that woman. That is not a good woman.

That. That. That woman. That culture. And I've never been able to, like, my mom had this visceral, like, spiritual, religious aversion to Jessica Simpson. She's giving channel. She's giving channel. It's like demon,ceral, spiritual, religious aversion to Jessica Simpson. She gave a prophecy. She's giving channel.

She's giving channel. It's like demon, demon, demon, demon. Her eyes go white. That woman. It was like, my sister and I were like, mom, are you okay? For you to have to ask, mom, are you okay? Like, what must you have seen? Right.

I've never seen her like that. That woman. That woman. I can tell you're not that. That woman. That woman. I can tell you that a good woman. It was like a dark mark. It was like a... It's very Harry Potter. Very Harry Potter.

The dark mark. The dark mark. Voldemort is back. That was what the dark mark was, right? I don't know. In a world where we're talking about Harry Potter. Oh, no. That was the

Voldemort people, the tattoo. When the dark merch starts to glow and burn. They're like, oh, the dark lord.

And they go to each other and they go, is it burning? And the other were like, yes. It was like

this sort of homoerotic moment where the Death Eaters were all like, is yours burning? Death Eaters, that's what they

were called. Yeah. Death Eaters, yeah. Yours is burning too, huh? So beyond just the Brad and Jenna of it all,

what were other tabloid stories that you can remember latching onto or was it kind of death? That's the one that's imprinted because it was like- You know what else? I remember being actually, not to be like self-flattering,

but I remember being pretty early on like Leave Britney Alone. Yes. Like that narrative and being like, you know what? Good for you. Back the fuck off.

Yeah. Being like, it seems like this is hard for her and just really and being like, you know what? Good for you. Back the fuck off. Yeah. Being like, it seems like this is hard for her. And just really actually being like, and also it was a moment where I had to step away. Like at the glee, which they were like, her performance of Give Me More was such a disaster. It's like, you know what? Like I saw it. No, it wasn't. Relax about this.

Like I don't want this. And like. That really reveals such a pure heart to me. Thank you. And again, it's like it wasn't always like that yeah but i found something in me that was good yeah this is my thing about charlie he has a genuine love and understanding of women sorry go ahead no no thank you no don't applaud for yourself that's yes you can i can were going so crazy. Let me do that.

Charlie. People were going so hard on her. Yeah. Like, oh, she drove with her baby on her lap. It's like, you think she really wanted to do that? No, it's like, people are literally, it was like mean-spirited, and it was not right. And it was good. It was like I found something in myself.

And that was an important moment. And that was an important moment. How do we approach Britney now? I think we don't, to be honest with you. I think that's right. I think that what we have to understand is that we can be her fan, and she's got so much music out there and so much content out there that is to be enjoyed. And to ask her to sort of approach what she used to be would be ask her, asking her to reengage.

Oh no, no, no, no, no. And so I think like in terms of now, it's just like, let her post,

let her post on Instagram, like give a double tap or unfollow. Right. You know what I mean? Like she doesn't care. She can't see it. If you can't do it with a pure heart, then it's like back away.

Yeah. Oh my God. Back away. You were right about him. No! Charlie. Is that what drew you to Charlie? What draw you to each other?

What draw you to each other? I'm so glad you asked. How did it start? Tell us now. Actually, like at an open mic. And then we like riffed in a grocery store for, like, an hour after. What grocery store? I will say, like, yeah, Charlie makes me laugh. The one on Montrose?

Hysterical. Do you know, like, it's, like, by the Rosemont. You know the one on the corner? No. We used to do a mic at Rosemont all the time. Oh, yeah. Maybe you do. You used to do the mic at Rosemont.

Maybe I do. I know I'm just genuinely asking. But it was at Rosemont? Yeah. Yeah. We did a mic at Rosemont, and there was a grocery store. And it was not a gay mic. It was just, like, a bunch of people there.

It had to have been a little gay. There were gay guys there and gay girls and whatever. So then it's a gay mic. No, I don't know. It doesn't have to be.

I'm sorry. I could never, I could, this is something like looking back, I don't think I could have done just like a straight mic. I did a couple straight mics

and it really did like traumatize me. It actually does like make you harder. It does. It does like harden you. It actually does like make you harder. It does. It hardens your heart. Yeah, exactly. Because you are like, I can't,

it's actually such a crazy experience to be like last at like the horrible open mic. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And sometimes it makes you stronger. Do you know what I mean? But you lose a tenderness. Do you feel like you,

and you're saying you have lost, you've calloused a little bit because of that. No? I did a long period where like, there there was a year where I was doing mics before I met Charlie and my life changed. Where I didn't have friends doing comedy. I had improv friends, but I didn't have any. I would just go to mics alone at Creek in the Cave or whatever.

I kind of liked the anonymity of it and the kind of, when I would bomb, there was no one there to see it and like, whatever. But then when you do have someone there and it's like, it's horrible, then it becomes so fun. Yeah. You're in the back, you're like screaming, you're like, ah, it's happening! And it's kind of amazing.

Well, I think we were very lucky because it was like, we were very like held by each other. And also like we started, well. But you and I both had, like, we would, like, go our separate ways sometimes and, like, perform individually and we would both have, like, horrific experiences.

Oh, God. Yeah, bad. And then, like, but I also remember, like, because we came up in, like, sketch and improv, it was, like, this, like, gayer thing already

because everyone was acting. Because everyone knew it was theater. But, like, stand-ups also have to understand it's what you're doing is theater. It's like theater. Stand-ups also have to understand what you're doing is theater. It's theater. Totally. You're on a stage.

You're literally not cool for doing this. And you have to literally act like someone who is saying something for one of the first times they said it, which is like complete theater. Yes, totally. It's really gay to pretend. It's so gay. It's really gay to pretend it's so gay it's so gay to pretend

that's actually really close to number 42 it's so gay to pretend but I do remember like getting into comedy I remember getting into comedy I tried to say it

you can say it you can always say it always say it I hope another one comes up that makes the rule a super rule but I just remember

getting into comedy pretty much because I wanted to be an actress. Right. And I was like, I know the acceptable way for me as a still-closeted person at 19

to, like, get into this and no one question me is to say, well, I'm doing sketch comedy, you know, with the hopes of one day being on, like,

Saturday Night Live, you know, being from Long Island. It's, like, a language that everyone can speak. Yeah. And so that's why I did no theater in high school. Whoa, really? Because it seemed gay to me.

No, I didn't start doing anything until I was in college. Whoa. Did you do theater in high school? I did. I did. I really did. I was a sports kid. Whoa, really?

Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. I had a coach dad. Sure. Sure. Right. That'll do it. I had a coach dad, and I took it very, very seriously in almost like a gay way. Right.

Yeah. You guys, seriously? Yeah. The game is next week. And if we're not going to show up on time to practice, then why are we here? Well, get this. I recently ran into someone. This is crazy.

So I was captain of the track team when I was like young I was like a sophomore in high school sophomore it's usually juniors yeah

and like basically I like I had earned the respect of course so basically like I remember I'm a sophomore in high school

I'm captain of the track team yeah and my coach comes to me and says hey one of the other captains is not pulling their weight. And I need you to tell him he can't be captain anymore.

He was a junior. The coach was not good. So he was a junior, this kid. And he did like events. He was like a high jumper. And also I intrinsically knew in my spirit that this was one of the only other gay kids at my high school. The coach? I'm sorry, the captain? school coach the other i'm sorry

no the other captain so i had a gay kid and i'm telling you i had to as a sophomore oh my i had to walk over to him before practice and i had to be like hey frank i was and i had to be like listen coach has come to me and let me know that, like, you're not really, like, you're not giving captain. And I remember he was looking at me, like, and in his eyes he could see me. And he was like, why are you doing this? Don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this.

And I was just like, and I just feel like if you don't want to be captain, like, don't be captain. And I was just like, I started to, like, my heart started to break. Of course. Because he started to, like, cry a little bit. And I was just like, I started to like, my heart started to break. Of course. Because he started to like cry a little bit. And I was just like, don't cry, don't cry. And all I wanted to do now, and what's funny is, I'm in LA, like, about a month ago. Right. And I look over,

and there he is. Gay? And I was just like, oh my god. And he comes over. His life is a disaster. No, he's so successful and hot. He's doing so bad. He's doing so good! And he comes over and he goes, Matt Rogers. And I was like, Frank. And I just like hugged him and I was like, I'm so happy to see you. And it didn't come up.

And he's never bounced back from that. No, you have to stop. We promise he's okay. And I'm telling you, he's like doing so great. He's doing so great, so great, so great. But Iris, I'll never, ever forget. Like my straight coach who couldn't even take on the responsibility of doing this. What a piece of shit.

It was horrible. And my dad always had a bad feeling about him. Of course. Right. And so I just remember, like, it was this heartbreaking thing of me needing to try so desperately to run status on this kid. Because I needed to prove to myself and other people that I was like good enough

tough enough straight enough to like do this and in the process like I feel like I hurt one of my sisters and I and now

and now now sisterhood is of course number one for me right and I but I'll never forget that it was like a symptom

of being like a sports kid is you had to be a little bit like tough stupid and mean why are you crying right and I am such a I'm so But I'll never forget that. It was like a symptom of being like a sports kid is you had to be a little bit like tough, stupid. Why are you crying? Right. And I am such an I'm so mommy and not like that. I want to be crying in theater so bad.

All I wanted to do was cry in theater. All I wanted to do was try out for like the swing choir and like do all those things. But I didn't do any of it. Were you friends with theater kids? Yeah. A lot of my girlfriends were in swing choir and like you know did the plays and stuff

and they were like Matt just do it do it and I was just like I can't I can't and they were like I could tell they were like rolling their eyes

and they were like our gay friend can't be gay right and it sucks it's so tragic it sucks legit

when you describe his eyes it's very powerful I remember looking in his eyes and no one looked each other in the eyes then

of course not or today right and I was just like I was just like I've looked at all Eyes. It's very powerful. I remember looking in his eyes and no one looked each other in the eyes then. Of course not. Or today. Right. And I was just like, I was just like, I've looked at all, I've actually looked at all of you in your eyes this whole time. Totally. And now I can't. But I just remember like it was, it was so, so many things were not being said in that

moment that were like, it was so harsh. Right. It's like oh you're both communicating you can't you can't make the subtext

yeah I mean like what I wanted to say was like hey I don't think either of us are having fun doing this do you want to go like blow each other

yeah exactly confirmed gay today let's fool around that's a wonderful and then you know what really sucked was afterwards I said to the coach

I was like yeah I did it it's done he doesn't want to be captain anymore but he still wants to be on the team it's to the coach i was like yeah i did it it's done he's not gonna he doesn't want to be captain anymore but he still wants to be on the team it's done and then and then he was like good he's like yeah and then he said he turned to my assistant coach and i remember him being like the thing is like i feel like i can't say it to him because like you know what i mean like he gets upset and he's so obviously like stop you said that no the coach said that in front of me to my assistant are Are you kidding me? And I remember just sitting there and my heart was just in my shoes.

I was just like, this is horrible. And I'm complicit. I can't believe it. And at the time, I was so desperate to code switch and fit in that I was party to this horrible, not just this thing that guaranteed he went home and was so upset about and maybe remained upset about. But then for there to be stuff said about him, I was just like, oh, I hate this. The coach was your star magazine and Frank was Britney. And you were like, leave him alone.

Leave Frank alone. You don't know. Oh, my God. You didn't know. Oh my God. You didn't mean to read this. It's seriously intense. It's also like, it's so psychotic because it's like, that was an adult. Right, literally. Very much so.

You were a kid. Very much so. But that's the thing is, is like looking back now, when you think back to teachers, and we have conversations about this because a lot of times this comes up like, because we talk about the culture that made us say blah, blah, blah. And it's like, you return to that period and adults in your life at that time it meant nothing that they were adults right the behavior was untoward yeah it's crazy like teachers i'm sure at your schools as well like really did have clear favorites and we're like what's the

gossip oh my god she like hooked up with him and it's like why are you talking about it's like you're talking about a 16 year old yeah like back off get away get away get away it's weird it's weird it's weird i'm just repeating because i agree it's weird no exactly it's the demi lovato meme get a job get away from her yeah exactly people be people be posting that yeah it's evergreen they do do. It's true. Like, Bowen always talks about this one theater teacher he had that, like, ruined your life. Ruined. What?

Oh, oh, oh, oh. It's just, it's like, it's the person who, like, fucked you up. Like, made you feel like you were going to have to be a certain way or couldn't do a certain thing. Exactly, exactly. It actually also takes, like, a really long time to get past that. Totally. Like, especially something like that, like like a really long time to get past that. Like especially something like that, like, you know, I'm glad Frank is doing okay.

He's doing so great. Right, but I bet you it actually was like a long time. Yeah, I'm like, so you say, whatever. But I'm sure it does take a really long time. Yeah.

I was, were we talking about this? I like didn't get into the improv groups that I wanted to in college. Oh yeah, we were talking about you. Purple crayons lost.

Yeah, exactly. Red hot poker. Literally exactly. Red hot poker. Wait, you actually are nailing it. Oh, yeah, we were talking about you. Purple crayons lost. Yeah, exactly. Red hot poker. Literally, exactly. Red hot poker. Wait, you actually are nailing it. Yeah, because I... Because I guess what I fucking knew all of the groups across...

We used to go to like... Not compete. No, no, we would sometimes do festivals with them and I can't believe you weren't in it. Talk about this. And I did acapella instead, which I didn't like.

No offense to the acapella community. No offense, okay. But then I did stand-up at college, and I was like, well, that's my thing. But it took me so long to get over the chip on my shoulder of like, wow. And truly, still sometimes it animates me of like, look how far I've come.

And it's like, okay, relax about that. No, but don't relax. Yeah, the early wounds are very deep. Well, you know, one of my earliest wounds was when I went to go audition for the Danger Box improv group at NYU and Bowen Yang in our very first meeting came over to me and said, hey, Matt, it's so great that you're auditioning. This is not what happened.

I heard that you're really funny. And so I guess we'll see what happens in there. And I got caught first round. I guess we'll see what happens in there. I'd love to see what you got. You were Frank in that moment. And you were Matt. And I was the coach.

And then I stormed into that sketch audition the next day and got it. And then saw Bowen at the first party and I said, you will never keep me down. Don't try. Don't even try. And yet you did. And yet I did. We all have stuff to learn from. We do.

Then you became part of the acapella group and we're doing them a favor with your gorgeous tone. Right. Well, I just didn't, yeah, well, I'm actually scared to talk about it because I'm like, I don't want to be like, mean something to people. Yeah, yeah.

But my thing with acapella. Oh, you mean acapella. Yeah, my thing with it was I was always like, why don't we add an instrument? This might sound a little bit better. Like, why are we trying to do this song like I know it's like we're trying to like approximate a guitar sound

right right this might work a little bit better with like a real guitar like acapella is an amazing way to prepare for a world in which if something happened god forbid we didn't have instruments anymore but thank god it hasn't happened.

Right, exactly. So use them while you got them. Right. And keep practicing, but we don't need to listen to it. Right, exactly. Like, do it in the bunker. Right. In the morning.

Oh, my God. Just in case. Right. Have you guys explored at the show or the pod this idea? A long time ago. Yeah. I think we talked about acapella. My thing with it now is I was remembering that I was in choir

in high school and I was like, oh that was actually amazing. Because that's music that's designed for just voices and it was so, and that's also very like, egoless art. Because you're like, I'm just one. And if you stand out, your choir teacher is like, someone in the tenors has a little bit of a nasal tone.

And you're like, oops, sorry. It's for the many. It's very cool. Because you're like, oops, sorry. It's for the many. Yeah. It's very cool. Because you're like, I'm just, I'm here to help. Yeah, the idea of blending. Blending, it's so powerful. And it's not like that so much in our work now. No, especially as such a soloist.

You know what I'm saying? I had to learn. Such a powerful, distinct resonance. Are you talking about Charlie or you? Both of you. It's both true. That's why I'm like a little lost. I'm talking about

both of us all the time. They're in the same camp for like vocalists. Say we. I mean me and Charlie. I say we. When I say we I'm talking about me and Charlie.

Often when I say I I mean me and Charlie. I. I mean you get that right? Us together. Obviously Charlie's in that. You're talking about yourself and I'm like right.

Right. I'm in there. Right. No problem. When I say that I mean me and right. Right. I'm in there. Right. No problem. When I say that, I mean me and now. Pronoun. Pronoun joke. That's the pronoun joke I like.

Yeah. Hey, and they said we couldn't find a way. Right. We did. A not hateful pronoun joke. How about that? Here's what I want to say. How about that?

So what's up with you guys? So what's up with you guys? Wait, what's up with my guys? Wait, can I say something about Vocalist? Yeah. And it's also about Wicked. Oh, yeah, sure, sure, sure. I just saw Wicked.

Oh, my God. On Broadway? For my birthday, for Broadway. What did you think? For Broadway on my birthday. It was one of the best experiences of my life. You're wearing green. I'm wearing green, obviously.

But it was so fun to see the ensemble members get their one little moment to sound cuckoo crazy. Like, they're blending. They're so perfect. It's all whatever. And then they're like, oh, here she comes a second. Oh, my God. I can melt. Oh, yeah.

And it's like, whoa. Whoa. You got a particular voice on you. Yeah. We didn't know that. Yeah. You could sound so you. That you could send it.

You could send it. You could send it. That's right. Can I ask you a question? Because this actually is the most, this is how I think you can tell if a production of Wicked is worth its salt. What did Madame Morrible give when she said, Wicked Witch! Was it giving powerful? Was it giving vocal quality?

Was it giving going forward? A Morrible can make or break. Yeah. I did want to say that I found Madame Morrible as wonderful as she was the actor to be a little silly. Oh. Like, I think that's a really dark character. You know what I mean? Just wait.

Interesting. That's very interesting. You wait. Stop it. To quote Hamilton. To quote Hamilton. Because you know, to quote Hamilton. Because you know, to quote Hamilton,

do you know who's playing Morrible in the movie? Michelle Yao. Whoa. Big depth. She's not giving, she's not being a little silly at all. It's giving imperious.

Wait, I'm obsessed with it. It's like Natalie's like, my one note about it. And it's being addressed. And don't worry, because in the film that will last for all of time, on celluloid, it's being addressed. Exactly. And don't worry because in the film that will last for all of time

on celluloid, it's being performed a different way. Good. That's so upsetting. Just do it! Can I give a spoiler actually? And I think there will

be some pickup. No, no, no, no. I'm so excited. Because you just did Wicked Witch! I was in the room. I don't think you can say this, whatever it is. I'm just going to do a line.

That's mommy. Okay, we can cut it out. But this is how Michelle Yeoh said it in one take. Do you think that's a spoiler? I think we're going to have to bleep it out. But I don't think we should. I don't think that's okay. I think that's a perfectly

sized little crumb I think bleeping it is one of the funniest ideas I've ever heard I think we have to bleep it out I'm gonna say it again bleep it again I don't care

she goes like this bleeping is so funny and don't bleep this the one just said faggot faggot and people are gonna cheer in the seats. I would be applauding so much if Michelle Yeoh said

faggot faggot. Did you see that Giselle Bryant just went for it? Wait, we were talking about this yesterday. That's all culture number 98. Did you see that Giselle Bryant just went for it? Natalie's talking about Giselle Bryant on Reasonably Shady. I'm going to play it.

Oh my God. I'm just going to play it. Just went for it. Are you guys watching Potomac? Yeah. It is. I don't think Charlie's going to happen. I learn about it through Natalie.

Yes. I hear about it secondhand. You and Celeste are the same because Celeste won't watch Potomac, but Celeste, you should watch it. But it is such a gift in my life to hear Natalie talk about Real Housewives. Oh. I'm sitting down. I'm ready. Let's go.

Okay. Here it is. We'll just do a whole episode. I have Giselle Bryant saying the F-slur on her podcast, Reasonably Shady. Talking about I'm Jesse Smollett. So what he did was, in case you guys

don't remember, was he staged a hate crime. Yeah. So they were supposed to put a noose around his neck. They were supposed

to call him faggot or something. Gay, gay, empire boy. Yeah. They were supposed to call him

faggot or something. Gay, gay, faggot or something there's something about him faggot or something gay faggot or something it's so slow I like the slowness is not because

she's deciding if she should say it or not it's just remembering it I don't think so I think I think the slowness is

I think so many things are happening she's just remembering it she's bailing on it halfway through and then she is bailing on it. Halfway through, and then she is playing dumb at the end. Yes, you're so right.

It's what Giselle does in every situation. You can also hear Robin Dixon a little bit in the back being like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. And then in the replies on that tweet, in the replies on that tweet, it is they do post Kelly Osbourne on The View. Yeah, like,

that moment after. Who's gonna clean your toilets, Mr. Trump? No. And Will Dupre's going, no, honey, no. And then immediately, in the sense that,

in the sense that, um, ah, ah. Kelly Osbourne on the same fire. Giselle Bryant went for it. Absolutely. Oh, you guys hate that.

Did you hear about Giselle Bryant? Trying to go for it. Do you like Giselle? You like Giselle Bryant when she tried to go for it do you like Giselle you like Giselle no I'm I'm sick of her but I had for a really long time well I like that the Giselle

has like a real levity to her like she'll just like be like laughing at everything and I like that but I do think it's a mask it's a mask yeah and it's a little like

her like other people's business like is funny to her and at first it was like haha and then it was a little like her like other people's business like is funny to her and at first it was like haha and then it was like wait that's like someone's life yeah

it's officially what is it what do you call it when something has gone too far jumped the shark is that what you mean it's gone too far

it's officially like gone too far it's officially like how do you call it when something's too much Gone Too Far Jump the Shark Bridge the Gap

No, come on There is a thing Beyond the Pale Beyond the Pale It's all these things You're getting a lot of good answers These have all worked These are all good

I could use them all Gone Too What is it? Oh God It's when something is This is officially Cross the line Cucurico Cucurico That's it Cucurico Oh, God. It's when something is... This is officially... Oh, God. Cross the line.

Cucarico. Cucarico. That's it. Cucarico. Must be Cucarico. It's Cucaloo. It's Cucaloo. Anyway, we don't like...

We don't like Giselle. We're actually on record as saying... No, I know about that. We actually use the H word. We hate Giselle. Whoa. We have not gone on record because that was the last episode,

but I'm here to say, at least for me, Giselle Bryant is a person I hate. Whoa. And I don't use that lightly. Her and Robin together, I think is like a full bust. It's not good.

It's not good. It's a blast. It's a kookaroo. And it's actually, well, we're very team Candice all the time. Of course. We actually celebrate Candice. Of course.

Wait, is she on? We've had Wendy Osefo on the podcast. We've had Dr. Wendy on. Dr. Wendy's been on Candice. Candice did win the Record of the Year award at the Las Culturistas Awards. And she accepted the award. Yeah, yeah.

Drive Back. All I do is drive back home to you. The way Drive Back is on repeat, repeat, repeat. It crossed a million streams on Spotify. Did it? Yes. That's amazing. I was just talking to my friend Ava about like we haven't

had, it's a very rare thing to have a housewife, like you have Candy who like obviously has like a musical background. Right. But a housewife who starts as a housewife. And enters the musical space. Yeah and it's like not a joke. Like it's like wait a minute and like she's so, it's just like

it's a rare thing. It's very rare. It's really rare and we are supporting all the way and who knows maybe at maybe at Las Colas Crucial Culture Awards

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Is it time? I think it's time. It's time now for I Don't Think So Honey. This is our really 60-second segment that we do weekly on our weekly podcast. Never, never not happens. Never not happens. Check the records. Where we, dare you. Check the records.

And we rail against something in culture. We really go for it against something in culture that should not be. So, I do have something. Okay. And it's going to be a little controversial, I think. Oh. Not really, though. Me too.

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Moana again. I definitely don't think we need Moana again. I think that we had Moana once, and it was wonderful. I am on record for being like, is Act 2 Moana a little bit slow? But Act 1, how far I'll go, I love it.

I love the end. Lin-Manuel did that. Gorgeous. Lin-Manuel did that. Just Act 2 was a little slow for me. But I will say that Moana live action, it's not that I don't want to see it in 10, 15 years. I don't know that we need it right now. It's really sad that also it's happening with Harry Potter

and others saying it's going to be a limited series of Harry Potter on HBO. It's like, guys, these things just literally just happened. And please, let's just get a new idea. I also understand that it's a little bit. I don't think so. I mean, even saying this because it's like we kind of get what we deserve as consumers. Like if we keep telling them all we want is the same thing. What do we expect?

Like this is coming from someone who did see the way of water twice and didn't like it necessarily either time so i don't think so honey me in saying this but i don't think so honey moana again and that's one minute just because i want to again i want to again like i really want to find moana again and in terms of moana comma again like i get that it's going to be live action, and I certainly think that'll be something to watch. And, you know, we have Dwayne The Rock. That's going to be in it. But the thing is, like, I just feel like is it is it even though it may be fun? And I also know that so many millions, billions of people love this movie and it means something to them.

So, like, it's for them. It's for kids. I don't I shouldn't complain i don't care but it's also just like in terms of like just the business in general it's like okay so now we're not even pretending that we don't care like now we it's not even like we want the industry to be something good again it's just like we are only interested in money and i guess that's my thing with dis in general. It's like, oh, you guys are just genuinely only about the bottom line in a way that's like completely

now indisputable. Like you can't even talk about it anymore. Wait, someone was telling me this and I didn't verify because I thought it was funny or if it was true. But someone was like the live action Lion King. Because I was like, why do they keep making these live action like Disney movies? They look so bad and they keep doing them. And a friend was like the live action Lion King because I was like why do they keep making these live action like Disney movies they look so bad

and they keep doing them and a friend was like the live action Lion King and all those live action movies are like the top five like highest grossing movies of all time yeah they're up there

I actually was just so funny to bring this up because I literally just went on the site boxofficemojo.com of course because I just wanted to see

like sort of what was up and I just wanted to see like what the what was up and I just wanted to see like what the highest grossing movies of all time were and it's so crazy they're literally all like either the same thing

or like some version of something else right you know what I mean it's like it's like Lion King 2016 right

so that one really was like top 10 wow which is crazy because it's like yeah and that's like Charlie told me that when I was high top 10. Wow. Which is crazy. That's funny. Yeah, and that's like- Charlie told me that when I was high on marijuana at the knockdown center,

and I laughed for an hour and a half. That's true. The other day? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, right. Yeah, it's true. I told you that, and you were like,

that is the funniest thing I've ever heard. I was like, what? Yeah. I mean, you can't believe that. Like, I didn't hear about one person who saw it. The highest grossing movies of all time are literally like the Star Wars new one, Avatar, Avatar 2, the Star Wars new one, Lion King now, Lion King then, Jurassic World, Jurassic

World, Jurassic World, Jurassic Park, Avengers, Avengers, Avengers, Avengers, Avengers. Is the last original story highest gross that broke records? Is that Titanic? Titanic is the only one in the top 10 that's not based on a franchise. And even that is like, Titanic is now IP. They could literally do Titanic again. And it would. Of course they did.

Wait, that would be funny. Titanic again. They're picking up from where it left off. It should be called Titanic again. What happened next? We know what happened next. The movie was in the future too. And was Titanic even new

if it happened? It's based on newspaper articles. That's a remake. Also, you know what literally probably they should do and I might as well just pitch? It's like a limited series

on HBO called Rose which is just about it's six episodes and it's just different moments in her life between after Titanic and before she was old as hell like get six different

actresses to play her oh my god and Kate do one of them Kate like do age appropriate like you need to say shoddy so that no one can take it

shoddy shoddy that's legally binding wait also wait you need to do wait that's good

before Titanic and after Titanic or just after Titanic I think it's after Titanic and before she's old as hell Matt that's amazing sitting watching television and being like is just after Titanic? I think it's after Titanic and before she's old as hell sitting watching television and being like,

is that the Titanic? At the pottery wheel? I always thought it was iconic that she was at the pottery wheel. And then she's like... Because remember all those... She's pottery. Remember when she's like

low-key dying at the end? No, and when she's old. They've been pottery since the ancient times. Of course, but on a wheel? On a wheel. So when did we get the wheel? They've had the wheel

since ancient times. But don't you on a wheel? On a wheel. So when did we get the wheel? They've had the wheel since ancient times. But don't you think all those pictures, like when... Oh, at the end? Yes. Do-do-do-do-do-do. Which, by the way, iconic. That all those pictures of her, like,

riding a horse. On the horse. Yeah. It's just the horse that I remember. It could be a Last of Us, episode three type episode about her finally getting on the horse and, like, having a love affair with the guy who teaches her how to ride side saddle.

And then at the end of the episode, you see her look back at like the she's just post coital, right? She gets out of bed. She looks over her shoulder at the little house where she's just fucked the guy and she rides side saddle away. And that's the end of episode three of my limited series, Rose. Wait, can I make another pitch for that? Yeah.

You want to write on the show? Yeah. Thank you. Okay. That's all. No no i have a pitch you got it um i want it to be like last of a style except it's old her but she's actually surviving in a post-apocalyptic she is the pedro pascal character oh and she survived the whole time oh my god she's killing zombies i want to see that i really like that yeah and maybe that's actually like, or that series too. Do you know what I mean? Yes.

Like the first one is what you want and then it's like, we actually take it in a really different direction. Yeah. Basically, you're just pitching like me getting overthrown

as like, shut up. Exactly. I think I'm sorry. What you're pitching is like, what you're pitching is like, that's cool that you want to do that and then I take your job

and do a different show. Right. Season two, I feel like you stepped back. I'm Matt and you're Frank. And I thought we were us. Yeah, I know. We used to be us. We used to be us.

We broke up. Alright, so Bo and Yang, are you ready to do You're Out and Think So Honey? Yeah, I'm ready. And remember, you said this is going to be incendiary and really rough. I just think it's going to... You're going to disagree with me and then you're going to agree with me. Can I say it? I'm using your pop socket. Alright. This is Bo and Yang's I Don't Think think so honey time starts now i don't think so honey skip ad someone worked really hard on that and it's actually wouldn't you rather be like

be like have to have it be up front that it's an ad and not not have it be product placement like i if i see skip ad i know it's an ad But if I don't see SkipAd and I'm watching something and there's a Duracell battery being shoved in my face, then I'm like, is this a commercial for Duracell? SkipAd is actually a blessing in the current media landscape because it's very, very, very transparent what this is. Everything else these days... Ads are actually good.

It's bad. It's bad that we're being marketed to. Boo, boo, boo, boo. But it's like if I see an ad on Instagram or TikTok, I go, oh, okay. This sucks. This interrupts like, you know, my experience. But at least I know what this is and I can just move on. But I think we're

teetering into dangerous territory now where everything is an ad but if you see Skip Bad then you know what it is exactly okay that's one minute

I understand I get it I actually don't think anyone understands no but it's also like what Matt was just saying nobody fucking gets it no one just

no one just threw his phone down on the table like Thor actually you guys don't fucking get it one of the highest grossing

movies of all time. Wait, it's like what Matt was saying about like you teach the media how to treat you. Like the more we skip ad, the more they're going to be like,

fine, we'll pay for the movie itself. It's going to be Coca-Cola the musical or whatever. Oh, that's so true. So it's maybe like watch the ad.

Coca-Cola the musical, I love that. Maybe season three of Rose is Coca-Cola. I think for sure. It's like the Grey's Anatomy musical episode. Definitely there's one episode of Rose which is a musical. Oh my God. What is your relationship with the Grey's Anatomy musical episode?

Disappointment. I think you came over to my apartment. To watch it. To watch it. And we were all like, are you Grey's Anatomy culture? No. Not even when it was good? No.

What do you like? That's okay. Stop. That's an amazing question. What do you like? That's okay. Stop. That's an amazing question. What do you like? I watch like a lot of TikTok, like South Park clips where it's like over a subway surfer. Oh my God. I haven't watched a full episode of TV in maybe 50 years.

Charlie watches like clips of family guy. I watch clips. I watch like American Dad, Best of Roger, 20 minute compilation. Never watched an episode in my life. So you're like a YouTube creature. I'm like a YouTube creature. It's horrible. That is a more efficient way of watching.

Yeah, well, I'm like, I want the best of Roger. I want, like, Roger, like, all of his female personas all at once. I don't want to wait. I want to get them. And we have that technology now. We do. I have to come forward. That's like me with, like, Abbott Elementary.

I'll watch, like, Best of Ava. Yeah. And you're, like, laughing. Like, I'll watch, like, Janelle coming in and slaying, and I'll be like, I like Abbott Elementary. I'll watch like Best of Ava. Yeah. And you're like laughing. Like I'll watch like Janelle coming in and slaying and I'll be like, I love Abbott Elementary. And you do. The clip of her on the chair. It's so funny. Yeah.

Oh my God. And technically I do. Oh, totally. There's many different ways to consume. Right. Yeah. Well, it's like what? Like TV shows are like clips.

Do you know what I mean? Totally. Well, it's funny because then sometimes I'll watch stuff and I'll be like, oh, I actually know what happens in this episode that I've watched now over like 40 different compilations it's probably so surprising right exactly

I'm like that's where they were going there I had no idea they used to be friends right exactly it's actually non-linear it's pretty interesting and then you have

this concept that you're a fan of a show but you actually I think the number of episodes of The Office I've seen in full it's probably like six or seven

but I was so invested of course when Jim and Pam kissed I was like this was a moment I had waited for for years

and I was just like no you saw a clip of it happen on television we're told that we stand and I was like me too

I actually I think we all are Jim and Pam and we all wanted to do that thank you I can't believe they finally did that yeah Pam and we all wanted to do that I can't believe they finally did that yeah they finally did it

and it's like I don't watch the show it's the first thing you saw yeah yeah yeah it's like I'm emotional the first thing you saw you said

Rachel and Ross will they or won't they and were they on a break or what it's like I've never seen it do you have it no I've only

you've never seen it yeah I mean Friends is one of those shows where even if you haven't seen it you literally have it's like Seinfeld right even Charlie's seen it right I have Do you have it? No, I've only never seen it. Yeah. I mean, Friends is one of those shows where even if you haven't seen it, you literally have. It's like Seinfeld. Right. Even Charlie's seen it.

Right, right, right. Yeah, I have seen Seinfeld. Yeah. That reads. But actually, by the way, there's a lot of I've seen mostly clips.

Right. And that's since I've seen it. So and then I've seen a few episodes with my grandmother back in the day. So I have like you

need to actually one full episode to get the rhythm. And then once you have that, you're good to go with the clips. Apply the clips backwards. Exactly. You're like, okay,

so that's probably this part of the episode. Like now that I know the structure, I can just like. Yeah. I'll be cracking up when Elaine is getting ready to say something. She'll be like,

well. It's so true. And I'll be like, this is going to be good, babe. Oh my God. Oh my God, Julia. Emmy. Seinfeld is the most

non-linear show, maybe, because you can't cut together episodes from what you watched with your grandma to, like, a YouTube compilation, and it will make sense.

Yeah, it does work. It works. I remember hearing in that SZA song that scene where Elaine and Mr. Seinfeld are talking about

if they're going to have sex, and I had never watched it fully. And, like, heard that and was like, what? Yeah, they had this whole kind of really horny plot line, if you choose to look at it that way, where it was like they have casual sex a lot and they just have conversations while they fuck. And I'm like, that's so hot.

It's kind of queer. I recently watched a porn where, I recently watched a porn, LOL, where a guy was just like riding someone's dick and they were just talking to each other about their day. And I was just like, why is this so incredible? I love that.

It's like villains. Villains. Do you know what I mean? No. Oh. I am revealing something like really private about my like sexual psyche. Go. Like villains, like they don't even care what they're doing. Oh, yeah, revealing something, like, really private about my, like, sexual psyche. Go.

Like, villains, like, they don't even care what they're doing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll be shooting a gun and be like, what's for breakfast? Oh, yeah. It's banal to them. Yes. That's really good. I remember just being a kid and being like, sex is that casual?

It can be that casual but they're friends and then that's actually what started the gay community right you can be friends

and have sex right really cool wow and with that so I guess Natalie did the first culture

so Charlie should do the first I don't think so yeah I agree and that way it goes around the table too. Exactly. Oh, that's so nice.

Clockwise. Like a clock. It only took me 45 years to figure out directionally what was happening. We always have to figure it out. It's like in left and right like that has never gotten easier.

No. Oh, or for you guys? Well, you don't still do this. No, I don't do this. But I do it in my head a little bit. But left and right is literally really hard. Yeah. Because it's like what's the difference? Oh, or for you guys? Well, you don't still do this. No, I don't do it, but it takes me a second. A little bit. But left and right is literally really hard.

Yeah. Because it's like, what's the difference? Do you know what I mean? Like, what do we have to go on based on? The only reason left and right exist is because, like, because human beings have, like, two shoulders. Right. Do you know what I mean?

Exactly. No, it's like literally. Yes. Yeah. What? I'm, like, losing you guys pretty hard on this. It's funny that the two smarties, I honestly think what's happening

is you guys are trying to play pinky and you don't get it. Like, you know, in friends, when like Joey will say something and it's like, how do you get through the day?

Like, they're trying to make you look so stupid. Like, you know what I mean? But it's like, well, whatever. Do your friends target you? I feel my friends target me. I feel, I feel,

I feel targeted by my smart friends all the time. Like, I have to hang out I feel targeted by my smart friends all the time. I have to hang out with Bowen and Sudi all the time. And sometimes they'll look at each other and they'll be like, ugh. We don't do that. No, they don't do that. Do you get a little kick out of it? Yeah. Sometimes. I love being the clown. Yeah, and then

sometimes you play it up so much and you're like, they think I can't tie my shoes. Uh-oh. I'm a little too far here. The Droid Tribbiani thing where it's like they actuallyoh. I'm a little too far here. You overshoot. Yeah. Like the Joey Tribbiani thing where it's like they actually overrode that a little bit.

Yeah. This is now, this is Charlie's I Don't Think So Honey. Okay. Charlie, Far Day, here is your

I Don't Think So Honey. Your time starts now. Okay. I Don't Think So Honey, the thing when movie posters, the names of the actors are not over the actors. That is seriously really confusing for me.

Because guess what? That's not Jessica Chastain. And you're seriously confusing everybody in the subway station. Look, I'm in a position where I've been privileged enough to know from my background and experiences who Jessica Chastain is. But not everybody can say that. And if you're putting Jessica Chastain, the picture

underneath the words that say Diane Keaton 30 seconds. Someone is going to be like that must be Diane Keaton. That's how things work. We're down to labels. You're putting it over a picture.

Look, I get that like the whole thing of it is like it's probably contract negotiation so it's like Jessica Chastain is like well like it made sense for her on the poster to be on the right

but she's actually like she gets billed first so she's on the left. You know what on the poster to be on the right, but she's actually like, she gets built first. So she's on the left. You know what? You need to like, like, that doesn't matter to me actually. And left to right is not like a real hierarchy. So Jessica, it's okay for you to be on the right. This is confusing to everybody.

Words should go with their pictures. That's one minute. That is so, this is what they did with Charlie's Angels. In the photo, it's Drew, Cameron, Lucy. And then In the photo, it's Drew, Cameron, Lucy. And then on the top, it's Cameron, Drew, Lucy. Switch Cameron and Drew. It's not that hard. It's not that hard, and it's like, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. It's like whatever, just put them there. To those actresses, it matters so much. Right. And that's the crazy thing. But the crazy thing is, who's first in the names is a different hierarchy

than, allegedly, than who is middle of a trio. Because visually, Drew is in the middle. Visually, it's satisfying for the eye, I think, because she's, I don't know. But there's no way to reconcile

someone in the center and someone who's first and left most. I would agree with you. left to right, that doesn't read as a hierarchy to me. I'm not like, oh, it's first Cameron Diaz.

I'm like, whatever. You're all on top. Is that what it is? That's the hierarchy? That's the hierarchy. I think it's like contract negotiations. You guys are so smart.

If you're top left on the poster, that means you're top built. You're the queen. You're the queen of the movie. This actually was big news when Charlie Sanders even came out because it was like, Cameron Diaz just paid bill you're the queen you're the queen of the movie yeah so this actually was big news actually when when charlie sanders even came out because it was like cameron diaz was paid like 20 million

dollars for that movie and was top billed whoa and then 20 million yes this is back in the day when she was commanding 20 mil okay and so drew barrymore was a producer on the movie so made money that way but only was paid like 12.5 because of her commanding power and then Lucy was paid way less. Wow. Even though they were all doing an equal role. Yeah. Maybe Drew was the protagonist a little bit but not really. It's like a three-hander.

It's Charlie's Angels. But at that time Lucy Liu was not a quote-unquote movie star in the way that Cameron was and then secondarily Drew was. so it's a thing though like lawyers are going back and forth right to like make sure their client gets like and by the way

it's like your storytellers like why don't you tell an honest story of like who on this poster is Lucy Liu like that's what this is about like they're abandoning craft they're abandoning the craft to be like oh it's like you've lost the plot here we want to know who Drew Barrymore is first and foremost. That's the story of the poster.

Yes. I don't like that. Sometimes, too, if you can tell, it's like a situation where they were like, we don't want to do that. If it's a true two-hander, you'll get a thing where on the one title card, they both come up at the same time. I've noticed that it's like that with the other two. It's like Drew Tarver and Helena York. Not one is not over the other. They're like, we're not doing this.

It is equal. It is equality. By the way, the work will stand out. You can put your name first, but if you're not serving first person, you won't be remembered. I'm sure there's examples of that. Oh, 100%.

You can only imagine. Have you seen the movie In Question with Jessica Chastain and Diane Keaton? No, and I don't even know. What's the movie? I just can't. Because you know what I think? Is there one, by the way? No, there was one that came out recently.

I think it was called Armageddon Time. Yeah, I bet. It was like Anne Hathaway and Jessica Chastain. Yeah. And I believe it was something like that where I was like, okay, are they sort of insinuating that Anne Hathaway is Jessica Chastain? Because that's my gay ass, and I'm telling you, that ain't her. But I remember watching, and I was like,

but what if one slays harder than the other? First of all, what a hard conversation to have. God forbid. Literally, God forbid. You guys slayed differently. Not harder. It's just different. They were wearing different wigs, literally god forbid you guys slayed different not harder it's just different

right yeah they're wearing different wigs which set them up for different slays right exactly the wig sets the slay

you have to like be honest about that when that happens yeah and it's hard it's a hard conversation and also it's like when you get the script

for Charlie's Angels and it's like you are all turning the page of the table read and you're like you're like sort of in a slay contest

yeah oh my god you have to sort of in a sleigh contest. Yeah. Oh my God. You have to sort of like, cause that movie is actually a really good example of the, all three of them equally sleigh. It really is remarkable how it's equal sleigh. Totally. Sleigh or lane. Yeah.

Like, yeah. Sleigh in your lane. Sleigh in your lane. I missed a word there. They are perfectly cast. Cameron Diaz as like airhead genius dancer. Oh, it's so good. Drew Barrymore as like airhead genius dancer Drew Barrymore as like

fucking stoner like I could give a fuck but also I kick your ass and I'm super smart and like blah

and I'm gonna fuck Tom Green cause that's what makes me horny and then Lucy smart bad at cooking

and like whips chains leather but also fucks Joey Tribbiani like

with the best of them and just like cold hard numbers like love it that scene where the guy's hitting on her is that her

where she's doing a cross and she's like uh uh no it's so good and Lucy best line of the movie flip your hair

what flip your goddamn hair it's a moment of culture actually it's actually a moment of culture that was a moment of culture that was a moment of culture I'm telling you oh actually a moment of culture. That was a moment of culture. That was a moment of culture. I'm telling you.

Oh, my God. Thank you so much for that. I don't think so. Of course. That was really good. You guys, no problem. My pleasure. You know what I'm realizing right now?

I don't think So Honey Live was like before our guest's time. I think you could do that. I did one. You did one? But where was it? At the Bell House? Bell House, yeah. Way back in the day. I did Cars. All right. That's good. it? At the Bell House? Bell House, yeah. Way back in the day.

I did Cars. All right. That's good. Did you feel it on the night? It went great? Yeah, I felt like it went well. I liked what I said. I think everybody would play.

I liked what I said. Everybody would play at those shows. That is like you guys create a space where everybody slays. That's very nice. You do. That is the dream. I don't know if we always achieve. Yeah.

And we knew that going into the podcast we were like oh my god we're nervous and then it was like you know what they create a space where everyone's

oh my god the people we talked to who have done it we went to our elders and who did you go to they were in Ava oh

Ava and they were like they really make it so that you feel so comfortable and like you feel like you're doing well. I mean, we love you guys.

There's not much more to say. Not sure. Can I do the thing that I've heard people do on this podcast? I'll do it really fast and I'll do my auto-example. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And then what? Like a run of show.

And then I'm going to create a show that Chelly takes over and will do better than me. Yeah. And then we'll do the fungus season. There have just been certain times when I've been feeling low that I have turned to this podcast. Oh, Natalie. When I'm like, things are just like messy in my head. And I'm like, I just need something entertaining that hits. Like it has to be something that keeps me

entertained because I don't really like the other stuff that I'm thinking about right now. It's you guys and you really do it and you make me laugh. You know, I literally was like, I was so excited that you guys were coming on because I genuinely like, I mean, I'm actually that's like one of the reasons why I want to move back

is because there's like people here that I feel like I have to know you and Richard Perez had a moment the other night well I just sort of went over there and I was like listen hey you two I tell you Celeste you two have a similar energy where Richard you and Richard are both good at like coquettish like yeah you know like

I really respond to Richard of course first of all talk about a genius. True genius. I mean, that video of them getting fucked. Oh, right. Perfect.

Every video. Every video. Every video. It's like a new collection. What I loved about it was the sudden, like, laugh. And then just into crying a little bit.

I was like, you really are giving the most personal glimpse into getting fucked. I know. Just the whole thing, I was just like, I feel really, really bonding. We did this thing the other day that was a certain way of walking. Oh, my God. And I stopped and I was just like I feel really I really did this thing the other day that was like a certain way of walking oh my god and I stopped and I was like so you see everything yeah no wait you know what it was it was like

celebrity walking from the restaurant into their car and it was like pitch perfect was it like head down a little bit down a little bit of that and like back yeah wait you are the brothers I'm I got it I got it 10 feet ahead down forward a little bit of that and like back wait you are the brothers I'm saying there is the kindred

the performer extraordinaire I see it he sees we see each other as the great I see you no no

that was Candy Candy Burris out of two who we miss yeah is that Avatar 2 I see you I see you as Avatar 1 but I see you as one of the greats who we miss yeah is that Avatar 2 I See You I See You

is Avatar 1 but I See You is one of the great songs as well as well as I See You one of the great tunes one of the great tunes

by the amazing singer Leona Lewis who will always be famous Natalie Natalie this is Natalie this is Natalie I don't think so

her time starts now okay it's Housewives 1 okay okayman's I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now. Okay, it's Housewives one. Okay. Okay, this is I Don't Think So Honey when you're binging a Housewives series

and you get to the part where the women found out about Bye Felicia. There's no franchise that doesn't touch. Every single franchise you're watching through.

It's 2010. You're just watching like an amazing scene where it's 2010 you're just watching like an amazing scene where it's like you talked about my marriage I would never do that to you like my marriage is off limits

and the other person's like you did talk about my marriage you know what bye Felicia and you're like do a little gasp and then it's like a scourge

like there's no woman who doesn't say it there's no franchise that doesn't touch and it got to them and it fits so perfectly with what they need to say to each other. Which is like, you're done.

And as soon as it comes, it goes. And it never feels good. And I don't know when Bye Felicia hit the culture, but obviously a year later it hit them. Love you guys! Wait, didn't it just happen on Miami? I haven't watched Miami.

First of all, get out. You need to fall asleep. I want to stay. You have to watch Miami. Celeste watched Miami. I actually watched a few of Miami with Celeste. Yeah, I watched an episode. But also, didn't...

Where are you guys getting together to watch Celeste's house? You guys go over to Celeste's house and watch Miami this is why I have to move back we have to move back we would do that whenever you're in town

we watch Housewives together and it's the most fun time but Bowen where did Felicia just happen I think Felicia at Survivor you're thinking of Survivor

oh it happened on Survivor wait just now yes someone said bye Felicia to Jeff right someone said bye Felicia to Jeff, right? Someone said bye Felicia to another contestant, and then the contestant was like,

well, I guess I'm Felicia. Someone was surmising that they were going to get voted out, and they were like, and Jeff, I think that I'm Felicia tonight. To like deconstruct her. Yes. And all of a sudden, Jeff, it's like, well, Jeff, you know, there's lots of talking on the beach, like everyone's scattering, and all of a sudden Jeff it's like well Jeff

you know there's lots of talking on the beach like everyone's scattering and that's Survivor right and tonight I'm afraid I might be Felicia tonight I'm Felicia and then Jeff is like

well if you're Felicia what do you do like at Tribal Council you're Felicia stop to Carolyn what do you do if you feel like Felicia

at Tribal no way Jeff and there's this crazy woman, Carolyn, on the season who literally talks like this. And she's gonna win the show. If you're not watching Survivor this season, you're not doing drag.

Yes. Is that a super rule? It's actually super rule of culture number one. One. If you're not watching Survivor this season, you're not doing drag. Why didn't you join? I built because

Natalie wasn't doing it. And so I was like, maybe I shouldn't. I was just laughing too hard. Can you do her voice again? Oh my God! Well, I was just sitting there

and you're talking about me. What? And when I'm telling you, she's playing by far the best game. Oh my God! Do you think that's her real voice or is that a part of the game? I still haven't thought. When by far the best game oh my god do you think that's her real voice

or is that a part of the game I still haven't saw when you watch the show first of all there's never been a season of Survivor that doesn't start like oh

16 survivors like they didn't do that the season opened on this woman's confessional and they're like so tell us your name and she goes just tell you my name

really and they're like yeah like tell us your name tell us your story we want to get to know. And she goes, just tell you my name. Really? And they're like, yeah, like, tell us, tell us your name, tell us your story, we want to get to know you.

And she goes, we're okay. And then it was like, hey, and then the season started. But when, I'm telling you, they had a cold open.

This is, the show has never had a cold open with one contestant. And I'm telling you, they were like, Carolyn, get out there. She got the cold open spot. And I'm telling you. They were like, Carolyn, get out there. She got the cold open spot. And I'm like,

are they fixing it? She's a chicken from Moana. Like chicken. Part of me is like, are they fixing it because they know they have like a star. And they're like, Carolyn,

they made an idol's run there. Go dig. They know how to make that show at this point. That's the thing. It's not like, it doesn't matter if we're in the wild west, which is Survivor. They're producing a reality show. 23 years in, they know

a star when they see one. I mean, the casting team. Felicia. Felicia. Jeff, I might be Felicia tonight. In his tone. So are you feeling like Felicia? So, how many people

do feel like Felicia? Jeff, how many people do feel like Felicia? Jeff, and after tonight, Felicia don't live here no more. Which is sort of, remember that one? Every Housewives does employ by Felicia. Oh, I was scared. I think I drowned the most today. But it's not a competition. Huh?

Nothing. I think my Adam thinks so. I was like really hyping it up. And guess what? Didn't do it. Don't point at me and say something stupid. We play in their up and guess what didn't do it don't point at me and say something stupid I can't say it right I think the four of us did slay in our own lane

slay in your own lane slay in your own lane oh you love that but I am feeling tired and that's why I'm like Bowen Yang is feeling tired everyone it must be Tuesday shut up no I'm not gonna stop and you don't get to come in here on the first episode you ever come in here and say stop is feeling tired, everyone. It must be Tuesday. Shut up.

No, I'm not going to stop. You don't get to come in here on the first episode you ever come in here and say, stop. Stop. I hate stopping. Well, wow. This has been an absolute delight.

Joy of our lives. And can you believe that we had to sort of fight to make it happen? Yeah. But good things are worth fighting for. Can we just say,

Charlie, before we hit record, Charlie went, I might fighting for. Good things are worth Can we just say, Charlie, before we hit record, Charlie went, I might have to go take a pee break. And we said, and you guys said no one had ever

done that before. No one had ever And by the way, I need to go to the bathroom so bad. You do? Yeah. But by the way,

we're going to end, but no problem. I never want this to end. Do you have a small bladder? Yeah. You do? Yeah. You pee a lot.

Yeah. And you drink a lot of water? And I love it. Yeah. I love it, too. I love the feeling of it. And I love the feeling of sneezing, too. I love that. I love sneezing.

Coughing, I hate. I hate coughing. I hate throwing up. Ugh. I don't think you should be allowed to sneeze around other people because it's so sexual. Oh, my God. Wait. It is the same, like, pleasure.

Right. Like, you're like, am I gonna? Am I gonna? Am I gonna? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like, so I tutor, so I, like, and i've been sneezing a lot and and what like allergies yeah everybody relax i understand yeah thank you or like when i sneeze on tutoring i like when i sneeze i tutor i just can't help but teach um but it's like because i'm on zoom i'm like let me not sneeze

directly into the microphone i'm going to like mute myself. So thoughtful. Yeah. And then recently what happened is I was like, Oh, I'm going to need to sneeze. And then I accidentally muted the kid who was talking. And so the vibe of it was, I was like,

can you shut the fuck up for one second? And then I sneezed into the microphone. Cause when you hear my sneeze, it's going to be so beautiful. Cause it was resonant as resonant as your singing, Charlie. You can't unmute someone else when you're on Zoom, so I basically muted someone's sneeze and then I had to be like,

can you unmute yourself? Oh my god. You silenced them. I silenced them. I was like, I have something important. I know you're talking about the problem at hand. And they're like, stop sneezing. You can't hear them. They're trapped in their variety. And then the onus is on them to unmute themselves. Right.

Right. And I have to ask. I have to be like, hey, sorry, so I actually made a mistake and I muted you instead of myself. I took away your voice. I took away your voice. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Well, I'll tell you whose voice we did not take away. Both of these two. And I feel we're going to grasp hands one more time and just say this was so fun and so wonderful. So fun. And it was one of our favorite episodes we've ever done. I'm looking at you guys. Ever.

Ever. And we end with a song. And if you know the song, you're welcome to join in. And by the way, go to their show on April 13th at the Bell House and also Exploration Live. Wednesdays. Somehow find you and I collide. Do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do.

Wait, hold on. Is it do-do-do-do-do or do-do-do-do-do? Wait. Whoa. Hold on. It's a lower harm. I'm finding the lower harmony lately, and it's been shocking. It's actually harder than the upper harm.

Can I tell you something? I'm a man apparently and I guess I have to sort of be on the lower to be comfortable. Oh my god, Charlie is peeing everywhere! Stop! Put it away, bitch! He has to go. He has to go pee. Well, I was going to say this, which is that we all want, I think as gay guys, you want to be a soprano or an alto. And you have to reckon with it. It's like sometimes you're a baritone. And actually, like when you're choosing karaoke songs, you can't always do the ones that you want. No, I've always identified as a baritone.

I'm limited. But I've always identified as a baritone and that's what set me apart from other gay men. Bowen is a countertenor. First of all, Bowen is a countertenor. What you can do when you stand, deliver, and use your,

I'm going to say, pelvic floor of doom, it's like, and it is really wild. And in the moments where we used to sing Let Me Be Your Star Live, which was a large part

of our sort of live performance career, I was always shocked when you let me do the high harmony of the dance. Because you can do it. Yeah, but you are

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