Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "You Owe It To The Bronx" (w/ Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez)

Episode Date: September 2, 2020

Baby, today? We CELEBRATE. Because Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez is on Las Culturistas! Matt and Bowen thank this man for nominating his sister (who is AOC!!!) to Brand New Congress, who backed her successful and ultimately iconic congressional run as depicted in Netflix's "Knock Down The House". The boys discuss what it's like for Gabe to watch his sister become an icon, how the media depicts and responds to her, and break down recent primary elections. Gabe also talks about the 2007 Grammys and how Kanye and Amy Winehouse both taught him a powerful lesson that night. Also, a red table moment re: Beyoncé in the eyes of the Grammys, tons of Mariah T (the memoir is coming, people!!!!), the culture around "talking shit", How Big Is Too Big For An Iced Cube, and Bronx motherfucking appreciation. It's an EP-I-SODE. We LOVE Gabe. Xo! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. podcasts. biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. And here's what I have to say to you.

To me? Yeah, thank you. I think I know what you're thanking me for. Was it because earlier today I taught you something? You did. And I want to thank my teacher. And can we just say thank you to all the teachers? First of all, it's rule of culture number 48. Thank you to all the teachers first of all it's rule of culture number 48 thank you to all the teachers and my teacher today was bowen yang because let me tell you what i didn't know

about in the culture before this very afternoon was miss theresa tang miss theresa now bowen could you tell the readers all about miss theresa tang i first of, I just want to say I'm so happy and overjoyed that you have met this, this new sort of morsel of culture with such enthusiasm. I think it really is cool. It makes you happy. It makes me so happy that you like Teresa. It makes me happy because I, the first thing I did when I walked into your apartment,

first of all, I'm in Matt's apartment where we're doing this thing again, where I'm on his coast and whatever, but I'm in his apartment. He's come to me. I've come to to Matt but the first thing I did when I walked into your apartment was I go I have to tell you about Teresa he goes I have to tell you about Teresa and then grabs the Apple TV remote and with the flick of his wrist the Apple TV's on and I'm like whoa this is my thing is that like and all these like and like and all the anecdotal

things that I've engaged in or whatever I'll go go, Oh, yeah, you know, I knew when I was gay when I danced to Celine Dion in Montreal suburbs. And that's when I knew and that was my Celine was my first object of deviant worship, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's actually because Teresa okay so her name is Doni Jun in Mandarin she is this Taiwanese singer big in the 80s sang huge polyglots sang all her songs in Mandarin Cantonese Taiwanese Hokkien Japanese culturally brought together a lot of East Asia and Southeast Asia she is this huge huge huge huge huge deal and then I showed you like footage of her funeral, like when she died. Okay. Yeah. That's another thing. Let's just pause for a second and let everyone know that she died tragically of it. It was just an asthma attack. Of an asthma attack. And the way that my mom explained it to me, I was, I remember this so vividly. I don't have many long-term memories. And this is a long time ago. I was five years old.

So this happened. So she died in 1995. I worshiping miss theresa for all my adolescence my childhood early childhood from zero to five from zero to five no i mean i'm telling you like was singing the tunes and then posthumously no when she was alive oh i remember i remember a time when she was alive and then one day i was getting out of the shower. Hot. And my mom, hot. Can we say hot? Five years old, five years old. Okay, sorry, take it back.

My mom goes, Cute. I don't know if I, cute, cute. Always cute. Always cute when you're five. And then my mom, I don't know if my mom withheld the news from me until like no she must it was nighttime and she was like theresa tang died she and like she couldn't really explain to me like what asthma was i think so she was like

she like had trouble breathing and anyway it was just this like huge huge huge tragedy and like she was like princess die like it was it was it was a crazy crazy moment she was like 43 when she passed away and that is true the truly sick separation of eastern and western culture because i had not even known of this person and you're saying she was like an a complete icon and she dated jackie chan dated jackie chan yeah you know like she was like the one full-on like star, the one. Shit. And anyway, but so I was just talking about something with a friend and she brought her up and I was like, oh my God.

And I just went back and listened to her songs last night and like drifted off to sleep in this like 80s jazz rock like... We love it. Soundscape. It was beautiful. It's very sort of, I i would in the very limited time i've been exposed to her i would describe her voice as linda ronstadt-esque yes and i would describe it and very karen carpenter too like pure tone yeah slay and go off okay and i would also go on to say that the voice is a rich alto voice and i would recommend that everyone go out there and

listen to miss theresa tang and this singer reminds me of another singer do you have anything to to kind of cap it off i was gonna sort of um assist you with this this segue into um well i don't need any assisting okay sweetheart all right so you can just relax because I have this transition covered. Okay. So, speaking of singers, did you read... I know the answer to this because you told me you didn't, but did you read the New York Magazine piece this week on Ms. Mariah? Well, it just came out today. Well, for the listeners, it'll have been out two days, which is why I was sort of, you know, playing acting and doing podcast theater.

Because, yes, it did come out today, Monday, but, you know, this episode famously, Lost Culture Racist, know play acting and doing doing podcast theater because yes it did come out today monday but you know this episode famously las colas famously comes out on wednesdays and has been from the beginning really um but this piece on mariah came out and there were some tidbits revealed and i have to say something it does relate to our guest because our guest i'm happy to say is in the lamily our guest is a lamb and i knew our guest was a lamb because i bought a record player which some of my followers read me for being across i'm looking at it now it's a costly they said it was cheap and i'm really i'm still sort of healing from that abuse that i took from my followers and i understand that you want the best for me,

but understand that's the best I can do right now at this moment is to Crossley. And that's okay. And I had the album, Mariah Carey number. It was like, uh, to an infinity.

Like it's like one to infinity, one to infinity. It's her, it's her number ones. Yes, sir. His most, you're not an actual lamb.

I know. Shut up. You need to shut up. So I also, by the also by the way this reminds me oh no it is there i i ordered butterfly the album because that's my favorite mariah and i thought it didn't come but it is there um but i was listening to the song my all and our guest chimed in on the dm and said this is the best mariah song and i have to agree and there were some tidbits revealed in the new york magazine piece that my all is about new york yankees shortstop number two derrick jeter wow can you fucking believe she could have had i mean the parallels between her and j-lo are many sick they're sick i think that kind of explained there has to be like some like

feud or wicked type of framework around there i love that we're moving away from the word word feud and we're just calling it a wicked type of framework like a like a broadway musical wicked i said feud and then the in the um in the ryan murphy sentence no it's actually it's actually important that we say that as queer people they're not feuds they're wicked type situations and that's actually a rule of culture it's it's rule of culture number 66 they're not feuds they're wicked type situations, I'll tell you what's not wicked. I'll tell you what's good. Our guest.

Our guest. Now, Bowen, can you say a little bit about our guest before we bring them in? And we can hear a little bit more about how they know Mariah and how they love Mariah and how they feel about Mariah. And how they feel about Mariah. Just to kick things off. Of course. Our guest is basically sort of doling out advice right now in a very like digestible, sensible way. And I am like.

Fun follow. Well, you and I talked about this. We're like, oh, like he is like he has like the Ask Polly thing down. Like he is like giving out like tenable advice, sagely wisdom. Let's let's just say it he nominated miss alexandria ocasio-cortez to run for brand new congress uh who then backed her her run against joe crowley um and she went on to win that seat i mean you may know her you may know her readers may know her readers may know her. You may know her. Readers may know her. Readers may know her. So, you know, in a way, whether or not he accepts this credit is not relevant to our sort of discourse right now.

But, like, you know, we have him to thank. So, we do. We absolutely do. The fairy godmother. Not to call any queer person a fairy, but, you know, famously the fairy godmother. We're taking it back. We're taking it back.

We're actually taking back the fairy godmother narrative. Salakadula Menchik godmother narrative bibbidi-bobbidi-boo okay hot okay hot okay five years old hot wow i think it's time it's time to bring in our guest everyone please welcome into your ears gabriel ocasio-Cortez! Hey, everyone. Hey. Thanks for having me, guys. Well, we're so excited to have you, and I have to say, I was lit up on the inside when you responded to my story about Mariah's track, My All. So, I would very much like to start off by embarrassing myself. What?

So, here's the thing about My All, is that, you know, I was born in 92. I was born in late 92, so I'm basically 93, but 92 sounds a little bit more OG, you know, I was born in 92. I was born in late 92. So I'm basically 93. But yeah, 92 sounds a little bit more OG, you know, right? So I would agree. You're a cusp. You're a cusp. So I guess growing up as a kid, like, there was so much prime music coming out in like

90, like 98, like 2002 is such a good era. Drenched in shit. Yeah. Yes. Excess culture in like every sense but i guess i remember my dad buying um going to fye right like rest in peace fye going out and buying cds and he got i think it was um whitney houston's like it's not right but it's okay era oh like with the right and he like the turtleneck the

turtleneck yes oh the whole with that sort of hand and she's like crouched down and she's like smiling but you know the title is like it's not right it's but it's okay and it doesn't really match but you're like whitney we forgive exactly it's like she stole the like are you that somebody like vibes but just like made it like rihanna. Wow. The bridge. That's a little bit anti. But I guess I just remember hearing my all around the same time as that. And for some reason it got pegged in my head as a Whitney Houston song. Damn. And it wasn't until like a few months ago that I guess it was on a YouTube mix

or like a title mix that I put on and I'm like I was like there's no way that this is Whitney Houston yeah no I'm like how did I not give her like the credit for this no but it's I'd say I think it's her I think it's her best song I would have to agree it is a vocal triumph and also not for nothing but you can't judge yourself for getting all those things confused because look at the the girls were really piling it on in the late 90s there was a lot of stuff there was a lot of good stuff happening especially especially i believe in the pop r&b million segments yeah to talk about mariah i do want to say that um shake it off i'm surprised that was never a number one.

But she blocked herself from becoming number one because of Touch My Body. Oh, damn. You know, it is true. Shake It Off is, I wouldn't go as far as to say, and I'm going to throw Taylor Swift under the damn proverbial bus right now. The superior Shake It Off. It is the superior Shake It Off. And if we were to have a battle of the Shake It Off mariah shake it off would come out on top but this is my theory is that if you had put shake it off on a different album than emancipation of mimi it would have stood out but the fact

that shake it off was on emancipation of mimi it was just there was just so much good st there was a wealth of of stuff in that album so it's like it kind of got lost in the shuffle i would say yeah would you would you would you support that both of you that that claim i think that i i think she knew that one of the bangers on there was just gonna have to suffer yeah i just didn't think she thought it was gonna be that one right you know what's the track on that is stay the night you keep saying stay the night that's one of her favorite songs or something like that yeah i mean she's everywhere recently it's like her her pr people are doing a great job you know like always very consistent always the pandemic is probably good for her she doesn't have to really leave the house

she it's very on brand you know yes very on brand very oh they do they go into it in the piece talk about the piece in the new york magazine piece that came out today it's like her this is her quarantine squad it's like her like a couple assistants her hair person and brian tanaka who did you guys watch the reality show about mariah i i watched some episodes so there was like a reality show that came out a couple years ago and she started dating her backup dancer named brian tanaka and everyone was like there's no way this is a real thing he's like so much younger than her etc well the new york magazine piece reveals that he is living with them in quarantine with her kids rock and roe moroccan and monroe who seem to be very happy in their

quarantine because they're living in upstate new york which no one knew and apparently it's the house that she used to live in with tommy mottola years and years and years ago and she's now reclaimed it so there's a lot going on here okay here this is where i'm gonna actually pause you because it's interesting is that we lived in a part of yorktown that basically was only a few minutes away from a few other towns because it happened to be like on the corner of yeah a four town like little like four square right so cutting through to another town we would actually go on the road that had mariah carey's house on it but the house like mysteriously burned down in a very like sopranos like 1990s type of way come on on. So as far as I understand it,

is that like the only thing that's left there is like ashes. And just like, that's it. Like I think somebody bought the land or something like that. Basically, my understanding is that it was suspicious because it was basically too big of a house and that they wouldn't be able to offload it anytime soon. So that's how some people have laid it out to be. and that they wouldn't be able to offload it anytime soon. Ah, got it. Some people have laid it out to be,

obviously it was just an act of God outside of anyone's control, but. Of course, of course. Just like everything that happens to Mariah. Yes. Honestly, unbelievable. Okay, so maybe I'm wrong and it wasn't the house, but it was like, she's in upstate New York,

which is like, I guess where some like tortured memories for her are sure but like how baked into the lore of Yorktown was the Mariah house would you say while you were growing up there um well it was it was a town over and at the time um I don't even think that they basically it's funny the way things are in Westchester is that it's it's funny the way things are in westchester is that it's it's literally you know old egg and new egg right like gatsby style it is old egg it's it's the old money so in that area where she actually was because i i was a broker um there only until like recently and basically the more money that there is in the area the less street the less street signs less paving basically just turns into like

back roads. So you're trying to know that like Mariah lives somewhere on like this mountain, but you know, there's, it's, it's the same sort of like idea of just like nepotism. If you know, you know, you know what I'm saying? So you couldn't get there without actually knowing someone, especially back in the nineties. Sure. Okay Sure. Okay, you were a broker up until recently. How do you feel about this sort of new genre of reality TV where it's just real estate is like the main fixture? It really is happening on Netflix. It is. I mean, I haven't watched Selling Sunset just because I would watch HGTV and it would drive me insane because it would be like, Hey,

like, you know, my name's Chris and I like shove a fork in the wall. And like my wife eats crayons and our budget's like $3 million. And they see, you know, and they, they see like three houses and the brokers like,

you know, only changed once as if it's like a two day thing. And then like they buy the house and I'm like, and everybody's like, Oh, brokers are just like, they don't have to work for their money, and I'm just like, what is going on?

A lot of our friends out of college became brokers or showers, and we had a friend, Billy Domino, he wouldn't mind if we said this, but on his business cards it said, he didn't have the licenses or whatever, so his title on his business cards was shower, but it reads as shower, which is just kind of so funny to me. But it's such a hard job. It's a difficult line of work. You have to grind all day, is my understanding.

It's literally 24-7. Like, you constantly, if you don't pick up that phone, you're losing money. It's that simple. That's the millennial condition, though. It's like there's no boundary between work and no work. Exactly. It ties directly into just the gig economy. And we're all sort of victims to it.

I don't know. 90%, yeah. Were you always, did you do that right out of school, or did you do the service industry route as well? Oh, I mean, i've had so many service industry jobs like i've made same um the not kate mara i made kate mara's coffee i made cuomo's coffee i made the coffee of kate mara right after american horror story just so you know so it was like it was like launching off.

I'm pretty sure she had Rooney in the car outside or whatever. I didn't even recognize her. And my manager, like the second she walked away, he's like, do you know who that is? And I'm like, medium, like milk and sugar. Like that's who that person is. That's who that is. That's Kate Mara. Her dad owns the Jets. And I'm like, oh.

If Rooney Mara had come in you probably would have known a million percent yeah she's got that kind of like energy kind of like ricardo tgb on she like the light might flicker a little bit like low-key paranormal but that's you know what i'm saying she's haunted yeah yeah i respect it i respect it oh i was i mean if in the battle of the Mara sisters, there is no doubt who reigns supreme. However, I do always give credit to Kate Mara because she is

very affecting in the last scene of Brokeback Mountain and people forget that. Did you watch the first season of Pose? Was she in Pose? Yeah, she was in Pose. She played... She was James Zanderbeek's wife. No, Evan Peters is what... You're getting you're getting your you're getting your white men of pose mixed up my ryan murphy white man mixed up i'm

sorry yeah evan peters is wife and evan peters is having an affair with india more india more yeah and so then they're not in the second season probably because they couldn't find much much fun to be had with them anymore after the first season of Pose. I liked her the best in House of Cards. I think she made the show. Yeah. She got pushed in front of that damn train. And what a shock it was. What a shock.

Wait, wait, what was Cuomo's order? Do you remember? I remember I was just, it was a little bit weird. It caught me off. By the way, he has that 100 has that like stern face in the person but he's actually sweet um actually the the person that i worked with and her name was like amanda at the time and she was in law school and she was like oh my god that's cuomo and i'm just like okay and she's like i'm in law school and i'm like help me out here and she's like like

it would be cool if like i could work for him i'm like you should ask him she's like no i'm like do it or i'm gonna ask him so she actually asked him and immediately he pulls out a card and he's like here you go call my office and she ended up immediately getting a job what okay there's a there's a theme popping up where you're just kind of facilitating all of these like political careers mobility and in politics women wow wow wait okay before before we talk about anything else i have a bone to pick with you about diet coke where you posted to your stories recently let's get into it yes that diet coke was the taste of gay sadness and i had to retort and say to some of us it's the taste of gay joy why do you associate diet coke with sadness and i don't

don't bring no don't bring none of this like high fructose corn syrup like thing into the discourse please why is it sad to you what diet product is happy to you diet coke quintessentially please please talk bowen out of consuming diet coke for good because I've dealt with this for years. It is so sad. It tastes objectively better than regular Coke. It is a falsity. No. Just no.

But what is the difference between Diet Coke and Coke Zero? That people that love Diet Coke stand it so hard that they're not willing to talk about Coke Zero. Addiction. No, because this is the thing with Coke Zero. The reason Coke Zero was brought into existence was because it was going to be a zero calorie caffeinated drink that tasted more like Coke than Diet Coke. They were trying to market correct Diet Coke to be more like regular Coke, but there was no need for that. And that's why coke zero sucks and no one stands

coke zero the way that people stand diet coke do you guys understand no i don't understand and you're not just because you're speaking forcefully you're not going to get me on board with diet coke over coke zero which tastes exactly like real coke but is zero calorie i think the reason people like diet coke is because it just has a higher vogue association glam factor you're basically exactly you're showing other people that you're happy being unhappy and that's more kate moss than that you know what i'm saying yes the deprivation of it all the the the chicness that comes with like only a little it's austerity signaling is that what have we come up with the new term but i don't think that's true i drink diet coke because it's austerity signaling is that what have we come up with a new term but i don't

think that's true i drink diet coke because it's zero calories and it tastes great and it's got that fun little aspartame taste i just don't i don't understand and i can't believe here on lost culture recess we're doing a coke versus diet coke conversation but this is where this is where you have led us to and this is what i'm going to say diet coke is not as good as coke it's just not and there's nothing you could do no limes or lemons you could put in it that's going to change my mind both of you both of you matt first of all matt is doing that girl from the maury show there's nothing my stupid mom could do to change my mind wait what did she say there's nothing my stupid mother could do to change my mind. Wait, what did she say? There's nothing my stupid mother could do to

change my mind. She wants to have a baby. Victoria, who is 14 years old and was gonna have a baby, of course. And I'm gonna have a baby. And she did. She did have a baby. But she seems like well-adjusted now. I think Maury did a Where Are They Now feature in recent years, and she seems like

chill, and she's just like... Well, wherever she is, we hope the best for her, but you are... Don't think i don't know what you're doing misdirecting about this diet coke shit because you know you've lost the battle this is the diet coke thing you both of you don't understand the wave of people who are firmly in the diet coke camp i i'm telling you it's just it's it's out there it's it's a it's a silent majority it's you and taylor swift and you both scream you're not silent at all and neither of you will ever do the super bowl because that's of course a pepsi product because of our exclusivity with diet coke that's right that's right well so what can i say sorry but me and gabe are gonna go do this

super bowl now let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back Well, what can I say? Sorry, but me and Gabe are going to go do the Super Bowl now. Let's take a quick break, and then we'll come right back. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.

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Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian.

Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.

At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, and we're back with Gabriel Casio-Cortez. I want to ask, or no, just I want to get maybe this firsthand account of the sequence of events that led you to nominate your sister to BNC, because this is so pivotal to me. And it kind of gets glossed over, I think, in her narrative a little bit. I mean, yes, general society could probably benefit from talking about me a little bit more. If that's what you're saying.

I mean, that's what I was getting from it. That's literally the way we felt. I understand. I totally get it. I mean, you know, it was, it definitely all started, I feel, like 2008. I feel like there was pre 2008 and then post 2008. And, um, me and my sister, we lost our father September, 2008. And then of course, you know, this economy decided just to like totally take a left. So we were left in a position where it's entirely fend for yourself. Um, and my mom's, my mom's working at clean houses. I'm barely my car in the rain and I only pulled over because

I hate driving in the rain. So I hate it. I'll take the snow, I'll take a blizzard, anything, but the rain. So I pull over and while I'm actually killing time in the rain, I nominate my sister. And that's how it all started. Yeah. In 2017, 2018? 26? No, 2017. Yeah. 2017. How did you know about brand new congress well it was everybody um i think a lot of people that were following bernie sanders at the time were sort of following the main message that he was sending which was that you know even if we get hillary or trump whatever it is if you want to see actual change, it has to come through Congress. It has to come through the senators. So there was an organization that was

tied to Bernie Sanders campaign with a parallel and they were called brand new Congress. And they were basically looking for nominations so that they could, you know, see whose names are being brought in, talk to everyone and sort of see if they're able to place one person that aligns with their values in every congressional district. And I remember just, I think I probably made my sister sound like, like she could probably part the seat. I was very adamant about like, you better call her. I was like, wow. I was like, give her five minutes. I was like, if it isn't worth your time, I'll pay you. But give her five minutes. I was like, before you say no, call her. And I went on and I was like, you have to speak with her.

I was like, I will put, because the thing about me and what I also said in this was that I don't blindly co-sign anyone. You know, if somebody asked me for me to put my name on something, I don't take that lightly. And I pretty much put that down. And I said, you know, I'll put every piece of credibility that I have on the table. If that means that you'll call her and that you'll talk to her. And I said that I don't take that lightly. You know, I'm willing to put my entire being on the line. And they, they heard it. And then it went from there. Wow. I mean, and this is the thing is that i feel like she has even like vocalized this thing where she was like i never really visualized this sort of life for myself this path for myself and and that makes me want to ask you like and just in terms of like in the context of like let's just say like gay solipsism or gay like self-centeredness like but why like

like what like why her instead of you you know like i mean what makes like what like what were the qualitative things in her that you were like she is perfect for this over like some we're like we're i'm sure a lot of people they were probably fielding a lot of nominations from people who were like hey i could probably do this because i know what i'm capable of blah blah right or like hey i'm a confident person so i'm definitely ready to represent like a couple million people. So it's definitely, I can only imagine, you know, the selection process that they had to go through with just the sheer number of people. You can't get back to 11,000, I think, submissions, something like that.

I get this question a lot of just sort of like, why not you? And I guess it just came down to, it just wasn't a path that I was looking for in my personal life. Yeah. it could be the end of a lot of things because I very much understood that things just shake you know when you shake the table it shakes you back that's just reality but the need for what she fights for was just worth it it's always worth it you know what I'm saying and I felt like I knew that if given the opportunity she would be able to take it to a level that either I couldn't take it to or that I couldn't keep it up because that just wasn't, you know, the line of work and level of dedication that I was ready to give something. Right.

Especially when other people's lives are on the balance. It's just not something that you can play around with. Totally. I will never forget seeing her campaign video. I was actually I was living in Greenpoint at the time. And so it's just a little bit ways away from where where she represents. But I'll never forget seeing it. There was just an energy about it where she clearly was like bigger than the moment.

And for me, it was not a not a thing of will she what will she do with the seat when she gets nominated, when she gets elected? But how far will it go? And we're seeing it go to such a crazy place. So I guess for me, as a brother, it would be kind of crazy to watch my sister become a celebrity in this way to the point where everyone has an opinion on her. How do you deal with that? Because it's to the point now where she's on the news, no matter what channel it is, like being picked apart by whether it's the left, the right, wherever it's kind of seems like everyone has an agenda with her. So what is that like to watch? Uh, it, it's tough. It's definitely a lot easier. Um, but I'd say,

you know, especially right after she won the primary and it was just like, of course, no, no overnight celebrities ever overnight. This is's all it'll ever remain to be. But, you know, it was it was crazy that I blinked and like I had 18 voicemails from like CNN and Fox and all these random things. It's it's it's a lot. It's weird. I do like that. Everybody knows how to pronounce my name, though. Uh huh. Major time save. It's like, yeah, like not to get cocky, but it's like, you know how to say my name.

I don't have to tell you. And the people that are still pretending that they don't are, like, the truest fools ever. Like, the hangers-on at Fox News that are, like, Ocasio-Cortez, like, being crazy. It's like, you know how to say their name. A million percent. It's like the cartoon evil characters, whenever they give them that, like, weird Eastern European, like, evil accent. Right, right, right. It's like, no, stop. It's a Bond villain.

But yeah, I mean, it's weird that the level of just known that she became was so huge. Yeah. Because most people, at least if you become an overnight celebrity, it's fractional to what she got. So it was just...

She's one of the most famous people in America. It's insane. It's totally insane. Yeah, it's weird. It's still something that I have to sort of get a reality check with once in a while. For sure. What also sticks out to me is that, you know,

orgs like BNC are like meant to like, you know, policy coach and then media train these people that they're backing. But I feel like she kind of was, like, ready to issue. Like, she was, like, ready to go as soon as she was out there. And, like, and even she, to the point where she is now even, like, coaching people in Congress about like social media. And it's like, just, just use it authentically.

Like if you're like a mom who likes to garden, be a mom who likes to garden. Don't be like some like pandering to the youth, like person. Like it seems like she is able to get to some core, like philosophy with social media that other people just haven't been able to figure out, but it's this responsive,

it's this very like deep, like really, really, really like organic kind of like use that she's sort of like kind of executing on or whatever. But like she, like anytime she tweets, it's like,

it's like this event. It's like, and not in the same like parallel way as like Trump, but like in this way, that's like, Oh wait, like let's lean in. Like, what is she saying today? And that's kind of what's most remarkable. Yeah.

See, the thing that's funny is that, you know, you, you hear about her giving classes, you know, and Senate rooms and teaching other people that are responsible for other mass amounts of Americans, how to communicate with them. And it's weird because of course I see it one way, but I'm sure that, you know, anybody else that's not related to a politician just must wonder like, why is she so good? And why are they not so good? And here's the thing is that it's not to knock her down and say that she doesn't have skills. Obviously she does. The reality is that other senators and other congressmen and congresswomen are not able to be authentic because they're paid for. You know, if somebody has a vested interest in what you say and you have a ventured interest in their best benefits because they're funding you, you can't ever speak without thinking

about what you say eight times. And if that's how you are, I mean, especially like any millennial, like typing something out 10 times before you hit send, you know what I'm saying? Even when it's totally authentic, imagine when, you know, you're not aligned with the interests of the people, you know, you're going to be typing it out 50 times and never hitting send because you don't want to get canceled. You know what I'm saying? It's just this perpetual fear of the inevitable judgment day. When you have so many shareholders in your job, it becomes sort of this paralyzing thing to act on any sort of imp impulsive thing that like is supposed to align with something moral or something like i don't know like something like clear i mean the whole ed markey thing i feel like ed markey would not sort of have proven his like progressive bona fides without aocs like

sort of like without that partnership in the green new Deal. Because I feel like what Joe Kennedy's doing now is, like, volleying all these things at him that are, like, you know, he's kind of like Biden because he used to, he was tough on crime and he, like, you know, backed the crime bill in the 90s and he, you know, was for, like, you know, he was, like, against integrating schools

like back in the day and he, like, supported the Iraq war, but it's like, oh, but all of that sort of becomes irrelevant because ed markey has sort of proven himself in some progressive way by you know co-sponsoring the green new deal and stuff like that definitely here's my problem with joe kennedy is that joe kennedy is doing all of this for ego and you can ask like i will i will happily have a fun call with him. I mean, I'm adding him on a daily basis

on Twitter, basically. Perfect. I'll retweet. Here's the thing with Joe Kennedy is that he's basically saying, vote for me because my family has helped you. He's basically saying, bring back in the dynasty

because obviously when we elect outside of the dynasty, things just go awry yeah doesn't it seem so crazy pick me you know me yeah and here here's where here's what scares me about joe kennedy because people especially younger voters um if they're not necessarily super engaged but they're just trying to get engaged what happens is that you know you have like my sister's uh her first campaign run with her sort of visual style and that got stolen by progressives fine because it was a blueprint that's what happens when you create something so um so intrinsically unique that so many people

respond to it's going to imprint itself but joe kennedy's a biter because here's what he's trying to do is that he's taking this blueprint of sort of this visual language. And he's basically saying, I'm young, I'm a Kennedy and sort of walking the walk in a way that looks right on camera. And basically he's trying to move people. He's trying to sway voters by saying, Ed Markey's too old. He can't be progressive. Right. So here's how I'm going to smear him.

And I hope that I make it. Meanwhile, the other JFK grandson is not even following Joe Kennedy on Instagram or Twitter and is publicly supporting Ed Markey. So if you can't even get two Kennedys in the same family to agree on a candidate, then who are you to convince me? You can't even get your cousin to vote for you. Oof. It's just facts are facts, you know? It's just like...

Facts are facts. Facts are facts. The thing I feel is like, I can't say that two years ago, three years ago, I wouldn't have been one of those people that didn't see a younger person on the ticket, a name I knew that was associated with democratic values and check that name because why wouldn't you? I don't know who this older person is. I don't know the policy, but the thing is that's changed, I think, in the past 18 months to two years and maybe even

progressively throughout the Trump administration is that on a wider scale, people are understanding the policy itself. And also all they have to do is follow the endorsements. Like, Ed Warnke has every progressive endorsement that you could possibly want. So really, the question of who to follow there is pretty clear. And also, the thing that's been great about social media, I think, is people do get fired up about it. Because people do see very clearly through what kennedy is doing and i do think that that is one that one good thing about you know social media and the media being so sensitive is you really can't hide anymore no matter because people can

find things i mean it's always only a matter of time right and ultimately you look at the two records compared and it's almost it's it might as well be like a Republican running. You know what I mean? At this point, it's like if we're going to turn the Democratic Party into what we need it to be, then in races like this primary where we have a choice, we will pick the more progressive option. We will fight for the more progressive option. You know, in the general, we're going to be voting for Biden and Harris because that's what we have. But in these primary primary races like we have to be putting all of our energy into supporting donating to and elevating these truly progressive candidates and i think that that that we've seen a sea change in the way that works lately in a way that's encouraging definitely yeah the the interesting thing about the the massachusetts race that this

the marquee race is that um which will be decided by the time tomorrow yeah by the time this comes out it'll be decided but um hopefully but uh the the thing is that it's an incumbent who is the more progressive candidate but it's sort of the inverted thing we've seen mostly the inverted thing like between joe crowley and aoc it's like the incumbent is sort of to the right or whatever, or with, um, with Corey and, um,

and the clay clay. Yeah. Like it's, you know, you had, you, I mean, this is like a,

this is a fun sort of like fun house mirror version of like all of that. Plus it's set against this like crazy political dynasty. Um, and just the fact that it's in the same state as this Alex Moore stuff, which is also, which you, which I saw you were posting about today. Definitely.

Definitely. So it's so it's speaking of like, everything will come out. Like even when it comes out, it's like, if it's improperly weaponized or used, it fully backfires. I think,

I hope. And I need to explain what this is to the readers okay you might not know just because yeah do you mind do you want to definitely definitely so here's here's where we are is that we have alex morse who's running against richard neal in massachusetts who's massachusetts is first ma01 right okay ma01 ma01 and he's running against uh richard neal who is the head of um the committee on ways and means and essentially richard neal is being bankrolled by tons of dark money and essentially he's the main reason why medicare for all can't go forward he's the main reason why the

green deal can't go forward because he essentially presents it in a way that there are no uh ways or means for it to occur right right? So the thing about Richard Neal is that, although there isn't any proof to it, so I'm not going to get myself caught up in a bad soundbite, is that there is an investigation that has come out after some people had claimed that encounters on dating apps with Alex that they entered into and continued in totally of their own accord, were making them uncomfortable, although Alex was never notified of this. Mr. Morse was never notified of this. And they get represented in a letter written by an attorney from the Massachusetts Democratic

Party. So we have the system essentially aligning, and it very much reads as if the established power, which reflects Richard Neal and Mr. Morse, they're very good. And it's so easy to see that Alex is under his skin without raising his voice, without doing anything other than state the facts. And when stating the facts is killing someone, obviously, that's something that you have to pay attention to. Yeah, absolutely. And also, it's just so interesting to me how the rules seem to not apply to the establishment and like the pearl clutching that goes on about anything that progressives do, such as, you know, that's going against an incumbent. Right. And she said that, and that was supposed to be her general policy. Except. But funny enough, she's like, too progressive. Like, why the fuck do we need a planet anyways?

And why support the Green New Deal? Let me just go ahead, go back on what I said, and go ahead and support the family dynasty candidate who is young, but going against his own future of the planet for the sake of just achieving uh some kind of you know fantasy yeah fantasy yeah someone that has a job already dude like get out the fuck out losing your shit over the green new deal is so embarrassing to me because wait for it it's just a resolution it's just a set of guidelines that are like putting a north star out there to be

like let's have zero carbon emissions by this year like it's that's all it's doing it's not saying we're taking these jobs away it's not saying we're like fucking shit up it's saying hey this is a goal it's goal setting it's just exactly and that's all it is and the fact that you have these establishment democrats like wanting to like melt down over it and like backing from their word and and endorsing these like primary challengers is so so so like infuriating and pathetic to me um but the alex morse thing i know but like i mean gabe you do you nailed it uh the thing that the petty thing that i want to bring up is the person who unearthed all these tinder exchanges between alex morse and these um um her students was this guy who took one

of richard neal's classes i think at amherst and was like i want him to get a get me a job and that's why i am it's motivated by this like dumb neoliberal thing of like, oh, there's something to gain out of this. So let me like go out of my way. I mean, you know, somebody's got to be Judas. Somebody's going to be bought. Somebody's going to be paid for most. There's so few exceptions that I just do have to say that everyone has a price. And for some people, it's nothing more than 50 grand a year in benefits granted you know

it's not i'm not knocking that because no no so many people out there are suffering and that could be the difference between them and their kids having insurance and you know it's it is life changing for some people but when you look at you know who these people are and what they're actually selling it for and the money that they come from and the established power that they already have, they're really selling it for nothing. Yeah. I just I have to ask because it's covered a lot in Knock Down the House in the documentary, which is actually how we found out that it was you that nominated your sister to brand new Congress. but they talk about how once you start to show promise or once you start to show a challenge to the establishment, the establishment

will then come in and sort of offer you a job and try to offer you the world. Do you think that that's something that your sister has dealt with? I think that they have to see you as a threat in order to offer that to you first. And I think they looked at her and they were like oh she's you know just like some bitch from the bronx right just some girl they just didn't think she would be and yeah it's like what could she know what could she do but the thing is that it was never about her or she it wasn't it wasn't about an individual it was always about the fact that she was representing a collective group of lots of people, but they just did not understand that, you know, they wanted, they essentially needed to have their arm bent, you know, in order to see that. But it's, it's like, why would you, why would we go ahead and twist your arm for you to see us if we could just go ahead and replace you yeah and you you really do see that with um you know political commentators that um interview your sister like for example i'll just use megan mccain as an example when your sister

went on the view um someone like megan mccain has such a uh just bad taste in her mouth immediately because i feel like she just has an aversion to her immediately because she has an inability to see that this person is literally for the people and not in like a political way like people that are in political dynasties are involved with political dynasties it's very clear to me that they they think well it's politics so there must be an ulterior motive because that's all they know and you see that in the way that politics is covered too. For example, like the way that I feel that they treat your sister on MSNBC, even on like the liberal network, like they still-

There is no such thing as a liberal network. Just so everyone's listening, it's like- Except the Young Turks. Just kidding. Well, I love the Young Turks. I like the Young Turks. See, here's the thing about Meghan McCain is that, you know, it's, listen, I have plenty of differences with her and I'm not even going to get into it.

But I will say that at least I think she has a basic understanding and value for her name. And she very, I believe she's smart enough to know that if she was to go ahead and run for her father's seat, she could probably win in a landslide. Yeah. And she chooses nazi she decides to let the system and the establishment and the people choose who they want and i have you have to respect that um and but one other thing is that funny enough i think she actually agreed with my sister more than whoopi goldberg did because whoopi goldberg was at least in the in one of the segments i think prior to them having her on the show,

they were like, oh, she's a bartender. What could she know? And it's like, Whoopi, what were you doing before you started acting in successful gigs? It's like, we all start somewhere, you know? Especially in this day and age where just everybody needs our help, you know, just getting forward, especially when that's part of just the greater social discussion. I just don't, that just goes to show that, you know, challenging something new

is just sort of a little bit natural for people that have grown to be a part of the establishment. Yeah, for sure. Just one more thing about that is that I think that another element of this, obviously, is that whenever whenever she is challenging something. And I think that's might have been where like people are coming from, like in that particular instance on the view is it's like I think there is an element, obviously, of racism and sexism when it comes to someone like your sister speaking up because they think oh she's being disrespectful like there's this like weird mentality around aoc like when it comes to biden and her criticisms of biden or people like him it's like you need to slow your roll you're being disrespectful these people are not all bought and evil like you're saying and which is not what she's even saying in brass tacks, but you need to understand

that people before you have done a lot, and that sort of dismisses the immediacy of what she is saying, and I feel that that is targeting her in a way that they wouldn't target someone that, say, looked like Joe Kennedy and was espousing the ideals that your sister does. It's respectability politics, yeah.

Right. A million percent. I mean, it's... The reality is that if she was in a different physical form, it would be smooth sailing. Mm-hmm. You know, it would be

easier because she would be in a form that's more palatable to the establishment. Right. right yeah but because she's not the ideal uh family dynasty candidate because she's not in the form of a joe kennedy you know she's going to be put into positions where the establishment is going to try to you know paint her off as like a feisty like sofia vergara and they're going to try to make you a caricature because the easier

it is to draw you with a few lines um you know the easier it is for them just to go ahead and close in that box around you sure sure um I did want to point out this thing that I thought was kind of great and like I think it was like a moment where you saw Joe Crowley sort of like buckle a bit was it was one of the what like two debates that he actually showed up to during the primary in 2018. But it's this thing of like collectivism that you were talking about, Gabe, where it's like, the question was, would the candidates endorse the other candidate, whoever won the primary, basically? So would Joe Crowley endorse AOC? Would AOC endorse Joe Crowley if they want? And Joe Crowley says, yes, I'll endorse AOC. And then your sister goes, I'm happy to take that question to my

movement and put that up for a vote. For it to always go back to that is so important and so huge and kind of like, I don't know, like drills it into, into my head. Like, I'm watching and I'm like, Oh, wait, that's what this is about. It's not about this individualist thing of like, she's the only one who can do this. It's no, it's she's being backed by people who need change, need change, or this, there's one collectivist voice in your ear. And it's not like this thing where other candidates have other private interests a million of them in their ears right it's like she has one like stakeholder in her political life and that's her constituents that's it's as simple as that yeah and it's it's just wild that we got to this point in our society where we were just largely cool with

autopilot it's totally totally, totally irresponsible. I mean, it's like you constantly read about people that get into accidents while they're on autopilot and you're like, oh, like if they're only paying attention, but how many decades was the mass, the bulk of our society just not paying attention? Exactly. And it seems so insane and revolutionary that it's just like, oh, just listen to the voters who would have thought. Right.

It's just, we have to recognize that. Yes, it's exceptional that she's doing that, but we still have to bring it down to the basic level of like, this is what everyone should be doing. Yeah. It's representative government,

which is like, it shouldn't be this thing. It's like, yeah, it's like the, to go back to your analogy, it's like the person wouldn't have gone to that accident, had autopilot not been invented or whatever.

You know, it's like. Right. Anyway. It was invented because they told us we could invent it. And don't worry. Like, don't worry. We have something that's going to take care of you. I remember growing up and being in school and the mentality very much being like, and that's government is something that other people do.

You know, there's it doesn't it can't be for you or people like you and how would you even start and you know what i mean it's just like it feels like something you'd have to put a life's work into a specific thing you'd have to go into law or you'd have to do this or that but i really love just like in watching knock down the house which i believe everyone should watch if you have not watched it we've talked about it ad nauseum on the podcast but it's not just alexandria ocasio cortez it's you know cory bush who paula jean swearing in and it's um you know um amy valella and these are amazing stories all four and only one you know quote unquote has a happy ending in

terms of the result of the election but what you can know is that from going, you know, quote unquote, has a happy ending in terms of the result of the election. But what you can know is that from going forward, you know, Cori Bush did win her primary this year and will be elected to Congress, barring something crazy. And so she is running again. And Paula Jean is running again and like pulling better. And this is – it's frustrating to watch that documentary because you see people who are just in it for the people and are just in it for healthcare, for Medicare for all, and are just in there for a better earth and a better fighting chance for the people that really haven't had one. And to see them run up against these roadblocks, which are the establishment just like so dead set on keeping things the way that they are. And what I would say to everyone who needs it, like really spelled out clearly is it's, it has never been okay. You know what I mean? It's just, it's not just not okay now because of Trump, the system allowed Trump, like the system being was essentially rigged for a Trump to come in. They just had to do it.

So it's like I guess that's my own little endorsement of the film. And the one thing I wanted to ask about it was in terms of the crew shooting it, was that just some – because it's kind of crazy that they followed your sister from the beginning with her going to get ice from the basement at the bar and then like her standing at the end of the documentary in front of the capitol building like it's crazy you know it's uh rachel the director of knock down the house she is so easy to forget that you're there she is brilliant at just finding that one little corner and you know she's she's a little bit smaller She's got a tight frame. She's got the camera worked up. So, like, she's totally condensed into, like, one form with this camera. And it's like when you're watching reality TV

and you're like, there's no way that they forget that the cameras are there. That, like, you assume that the camera's just, like, in your face, like a microphone on a stick, you know? Yeah. It's not the case. Like, sometimes I would scratch my chest and be like, oh, no, I've got a mic on a stick you know yeah this is not of this is not the case like sometimes i would scratch my chest and be like oh no i've got a mic on you know not that i'm ever saying anything too crazy but it's it's definitely easier to um to get into it with them there than than you would

imagine all documentarians should be small and that's actually rule of culture number 97. All documentarians should be small. So they were just following your... Were they following a ton of people from Brand New Congress and saying,

we'll see who works out, if any? They followed four. So it was just those four. It was just those four that I understand. And they filmed a good chunk after it too.

They actually filmed all the way until November. So there's a lot that happens in those summer months that are just not, you know, on film because my understanding after talking with Rachel at the premiere that they did at Bernard is that she basically just thought that the understanding would be that, okay,

they won the primary in a deeply blue area, then it's pretty much going to be good until the end. Right. And everybody knows that she won, so they felt that I guess it would be a little bit redundant. So I get why they did it, but there's so much that's not included in that. Wow. Very interesting.

It is pretty unbelievable that it worked out the way it did. I mean mean narratively just in terms of like from filmmaking i'm like this is crazy like it's so thrilling and gratifying to watch and also to know that she's not to be like not just someone who got into congress but you know literally the face and start for so many people watching anyway of something so much bigger i've only seen it like barely twice i've only seen it like once it's just it's so it's just so just meta it's just so weird and then even then just the other three stories they they all made me cry yeah um and it's just such a reminder of um where we are in America, because the reality

is that you, these people that are running have the firsthand loss and the firsthand lived experience of what happens when the policy fails you, you know? And it's like, you can't find somebody that's better experienced in that situation because it happened to them, you know, like literally like Q Lady Gaga VMA is like, till it happens to you. It's just very real. Like it is until it happened to them, you know, literally like Q Lady Gaga VMAs like till it happens to you. It's just very real. Like it is until it happens to you. You just don't, you will never know. So it's just, you couldn't, I don't think that you could get better people to run in the districts that

than the four women that were presented. Yeah. And tell me what the hell do you know? What the hell do you know? What the hell do you know? Okay. We'll take a quick break and then we're going to ask Gabriel the question. Yes. Okay, great, perfect.

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culture is for me? Matt, explain what that means. So this is that thing that comes along in your life in the realm of pop culture, and you're like, oh, I feel seen by this. My being is... Affir affirmed i'm powerless against this it has an influence on me and the rest of my life is dictated by this maybe even entirely okay no pressure right it's just it's formative pop culture totally cash okay so two moments

one event and it comes full circle. All right. Damn. Okay. I love it. Map it out. Frame it. So here's where we are. It's February, 2008 Grammys. Okay. Love it.

So basically I think my dad is in the hospital at this time. The last year was, was difficult. It was a lot of in and out. And just like any kid that's going through this, at least for those that understand, you know, you'll understand. It's that you assume every time is the last. So, you know, you're in this I'm in this really fragile, you know, emotional state. I had just turned 15, like two months before. So like all intents and purposes, I'm like 14. So we're looking at the Grammys and I've watched the Grammys every year that I've been able to have the cognitive awareness enough to put on CBS and watch it.

I love the Grammys. It's a guilty pleasure. We'll talk about the color issues later on. We're watching it and, you know, Kanye West, God rest his soul, is on the Grammys and he was so fresh his style was so he was obviously a taste maker and he was a force to be reckoned with he was everything at that time

are you about to say MIA being pregnant? no sorry keep going shout out to MIA whatever high five whatever she is we hope she's well sorry I cut you off no you're good I'm watching Kanye I hope she's good. Wishing everybody the best. Whatever she is, we hope she's well. Exactly. Sorry, I cut you off. Keep going.

No, you're good. So Kanye, I'm watching Kanye and he starts off and he starts singing Hey Mama because he had just lost his mom. And I'm watching this artist in front of me and I'm seeing what I assume I'll be in soon enough. Wow. And I'm seeing his heartbreak and I'm seeing his pain. And I'm just like, I guess this is how a creative mourns. You have no choice but to perform. Right.

You know, and it's not necessarily just being on the stage. It's just, you know, fake it so you make it in the saddest sense you know what i mean and you're watching him and he's reciting these lyrics um you know you never put no man over me and i love you for that mom he can't just see seven years old like going through it and he's struggling so much and i'm next to my mom on the couch in our tiny tiny house that they that like fox likes to portray was like mariah's carey mansion when it was like at best oh my god and it's like i didn't even know they were framing it like that anyways so it's me and my mom and this oversized great dane that did not belong in

house that's not and we're watching this and i'm just like i have a few tears just running down my eyes and she just like you know give a few tears just running down my eyes. And she just like, you know, give me my space. I was just, I'm that type of person when I'm upset, you just gotta let me be, don't chase me. And I'm watching it. And then I see him go into stronger immediately, like seconds after he finished his Hey Mama. And I remember looking at this and I'm just like, this man is broken. This man is totally destroyed. He will

never be the same and was never the same. And he's just out here giving his all because that's what, that's the job of the creative is that you, you have to deliver, you have to perform, you have to, you have to, that's just what it is. And that same event, the Grammys that, I guess, like, what, 30 minutes later, whatever, you have Amy Winehouse. I mean, you talk about a bucket of talent. I mean, just, like, overflowing. There's hardly anybody that even matches her. Adele, maybe. You know, but there's nobody that will ever be like her.

And you see her, and you see her because they denied her visa to come into the US. That's right. Due to tabloids. They were like, no. So she was performing live from, I think like a venue in like Camden,

London. And I think Tony Bennett reads off the, the win and they cut to her and everybody around her is just losing their mind. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. She's mind yeah she's just i remember yeah she's just she's just like she couldn't believe it like just absolute and i watched it again this morning and it's only like five seconds that you know she's just kind of like what's going

on yeah but i remember being in that moment and feeling so fragile and looking at her and seeing that this was also, you know, another broken human being, you know, somebody that's just stuck, you know? And then, of course, you know, the crowd erupts and it's Amy Winehouse and huge. I think she brought home like five Grammys that night. Yeah, five out of six. Yeah, and it was, I think, the most taken home

by a woman in Grammy history until like Beyonce. Right. Right. I Am Sasha Fierce. And then Adele matched her, I think, bringing home six or eight in the same night. But it was it was literally record breaking. But for you, you could you could just it was just so clear on her face that she was just grateful to be noticed, let alone get to that level. So for me, I remember walking away from that. And I felt like what it taught me was that there's no part of any product that gets given to the public that doesn't come with a major sacrifice. And you look at Kanye West and And he loses his mom, his world, you my sister. And it's just a constant reminder that one event can just send you one way or the other. You've got her trying to keep our democracy

legitimate and you've got him essentially trying to undermine it. And how can you not look at it and just be like, what happened? You know, it's intense. I mean, the fact that at like 14, 15, you're able to like have that like locus of like clarity around like seeing someone on the TV being like that person's broken. And to then like, yeah, it is a full circle thing to then connect it back to like what's going on today with him.

And then also as it relates in this inverted way to your sister and you is wild. Oh my God. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, that was great. I'll also talk about another terrific documentary film is Amy.

Have you seen that? Oh, so good. It's just amazing. And it just, you know what I really loved about it. Thank you. Thank you.

You know what I really loved about it was it captured that. This is something that I think we lose sometimes in when we lose the humanity of these people when they become super famous is it captured her humor and I thought she's like giving the tour of her house yes oh my god and that like character and ultimately it just it made it hurt even more but but she was such a funny person like on top of being like a a talent that we have not seen i would argue we have not seen um and i also think she should have gone six for six that grammys because she lost that um album to here to the herbie hancock joni mitchell album that he did river the j Herbie Hancock did a Joni Mitchell album,

and that won the Grammy for Album of the Year. Nothing personal against Herbie Hancock, but fucking awful timing. I'm so sorry. The fact that... Let's just get into it then. Let's get into it then. Grammys, what are you doing?

You nominate Jay-Z eight times just to get the viewership, just to nix him for the sake of basically taking a dog and rubbing their face in it saying don't don't disturb the established order yeah right so that's one thing and then how do you not give beyonce album of the year selling 800 000 copies in what two days changing the market for music forever every release date is on a friday now which a lot of people on the back a lot of people just that just listen to music don't really understand how much

no that changed the entire in the tuesday to friday shift was huge huge huge it changed charting in the formulas for forever um and to not give her and besides the fact that it was huge it was the best album of that year absolutely and in that category and to give it a herbie hancock is basically just it served its purpose which was to say to beyonce hey you're not too big for us to make you lose well the thing about beyonce is she really should have two album of the year grammys because i feel like some you know what if we're going to give them the benefit of the doubt which we shouldn't like sometimes things happen sometimes they think one album is better than the

other whatever for me beyonce self-titled was the defining album of that year when that album came out at midnight i'll never forget where i was i'll never forget how i felt i'll never forget the weeks following i messaged you first thing oh girl and i remember you saying this feels like a sick dream and that's that's like my memory of that release i'll never forget it was like 1204 and for some reason my my i've i'd never go on itunes for some reason i was like i moseyed over to itunes and i just saw beyonce and that iconic font on that like black background and i was like knockout font the font is called knockout yes well there you go and um graphic design zone bo and yang um but i'll i was like this can't be an a whole album and then to see that it was a

visual album like that for anyone that loves music and loves beyonce and loves just joy that was such a moment and for her to also not only just put out an album but revolutionize herself as an artist and make herself into – reincarnate really. Like a new spirit was like born. But so whatever. They didn't give it to that one. But the Lemonade snub, just to give it to Adele for an album that was a redux of the first album she had one album of the year for, that to me was truly unacceptable because lemonade is i mean if you're gonna say beyonce is amazing but not a cohesive work you're insane but i guess lemonade is an unbelievable cohesive work that is about something specific it is it is a change in the artist when

she how could she possibly get even better? I mean, to me, it's just like, I invalidate them now almost completely because they did that. And here's the thing about the self-titled is that it was arguably ahead of itself with the philosophy of everyone's so focused on the single and on the quick pace and nobody's looking at the bigger picture,

which is what that album was about, which is why there was a video for us about the feeling of watching Michael Jackson and MTV and the way music used to be given to us, where we would have to listen to the record and how just sort of like the way TikTok is sort of taking our attention spans back down. You know, it's a comment on that. So it's one thing to snub 2013 but then when she comes back doubles down on her message and goes ahead and issues this entirely different body of work then to snub that just you could tell

it hurt her too yeah you could tell because the thing about these artists is like you think like you get to a certain point in your career and like it doesn't matter. But it does because it's like it really is a recognition. And that's all people really – because in our hearts like we can say it's because we want to make people laugh or you want to make people dance or whatever. But really this is like it's it's your art and to be to know that you've completed um something amazing and something that no one else could have done and then to see them make that safe commercial decision because someone else had sold more records um because artistically they're not in comparison is just so disheartening and to see her there in the front row and like only receive

like i think urban alternative album right which basically says like oh like we like you as a black person exactly but not yeah not the not the album of the year because then we've got to put you against the rest of of what we've got and the thing is that you know it's you you'll have people that say oh but the grammys can't hate her. She has like 24 or whatever it is. She's got the most like outside of Alison Krauss. She's got the most. But there is you have to understand, like they're they're segregating it.

That's what they're doing. Totally, totally. And that's why I totally stand by Talia the creator when he was like, OK, you're basically, you know, just I think he was making the comparison to being a field slave or a house slave it's like yeah you bumped me up a little bit but you know what does that mean if i'm still a slave and the thing is that you know people are like oh beyonce has so many grammys and it's like yeah because they were giving her like basically crumbs for destiny's child and for little things and for like little pop performances here and there so when you look at it on paper it's like whoa she's got an impressive amount of grammys which she does they're not

giving her front runner grammy exactly that's the thing that people have to understand yeah and there is something too when people dismiss the grammys as and i know you might have just said this matt but it's like when people dismiss the grammys as oh it's it's this you know you know their boss who cares whatever right but it's like whether or not you believe that art is art what art isn't art until it's evaluated or something like it's still this thing where if it's not being recognized by like an institutional thing whether however much you value that or if you don't give it power it's still meaningful in some way to the artist.

It depends on the artist. And I think Beyonce is someone who is in some way an institutionalist as far as the music industry goes. I think she would have loved that recognition. The thing is, she deserved it and i'm actually i'm happy that we're talking about this because it actually loops around to what i started bringing up in this podcast which is this mariah carey new york magazine interview because you know mariah has only won five grammys out of her entire career and she is she is the revolutionary she is a revolutionary one of maybe four or five female artists that have done what she has done i mean it's like madonna mariah whitney you know the mariah songwriter and a singer goes and beyond and the thing about mariah is she is a real songwriter a real producer and a singer that

we've never seen the likes of and probably will never again in terms of like the specific tone range ability emotion that she can convey and they discuss in this piece how a lot of her book that's going to be coming out is about how she um deals with being mixed race and how she was marketed in the beginning of her career by her white record executive husband as white and they tried to keep her very like even their critics that would review her music were like she's a white singer who sounds black she's a white singer white singer white singer and she dealt for the first six or seven years which is a really long time in your professional career where they were really like tampering down her blackness and they would not allow her to explore that musical side of herself and i think that as a result of doing that

it's kind of crazy that she was able to have the massive success that she had and crossover success that she had because she was being so like in a calculated way kept from what her artistic impulses were and i think the grammy thing it's actually no surprise that she's only won five because they are segregated categories and she was never black enough for the black categories and was never white enough for the white categories and it's like really crazy because she's mariah carey. I don't think anybody else could even sell a quarter of the records that she sold and not have at least

15 Grammys. That is the number. It's just insane. I'd say she's minimum 16 Grammys. That's what she deserves. Solid frontrunner categories. Best vocal performance, etc.

This is a fun game to quantify the number of Grammys an artist deserves. I mean this. I'm like, you can do this with anyone. Like, Katy Perry has never won one. I think she deserves at least three. She deserves at least three. Katy Perry? The thing is that she doesn't have any. Right. I don't love, I don't stand Katy

Perry in the way that a lot of people do. No, but I agree with you. She feels consequential enough where you think she'd have a few yeah yes yes so it's like with Mariah with Mariah it's like I think at least 16 because the thing too about Mariah is she's constantly ahead of her time constantly like

when she released Butterfly in 97 and they talk about this in the article and I really recommend the article now that I'm bringing up Alison P.is who's the best um but she also talks about how you know that butterfly album like pop music like pop artists were not crossing over into r&b as much there was not like that pop r&b vibe until she really like made that like a mainstream thing and also she kind of revolutionized having features like odb when he was on the fantasy remix like huge deal jay-z on like heartbreaker on heartbreaker and tommy mottola that created its own subgenre just like the whole making like the the r&b diva with

the with the hip-hop feature that was the formula that leads to crazy and love and dilemma and all these early 2000 sounds. That, that was totally the creator. It was 100% Mariah Carey, Jay-Z, ODB, P Diddy Mase.

Yes. That, that entire era was such a great era. And I feel like, honestly, like it's just, it's just rough to know that while they were because they were also revolutionary and they were so under rewarded like at the end and to

also think about how many artists we could be enjoying right now if the market didn't like market correct them or like push people out because they found someone else like you know what i mean like for as big as x that's he's the perfect example of oh you made it you made country music sound too urban so we can't even consider it in the realm of country is so racist in itself the fact that nobody even addresses the fact that like the people that took that off the charts had an agenda. And how solely based on the artist's race, a lot of placement in categories is at something like the Grammys. Whereas like, you know, you couldn't have told me like,

when I first heard There You Go by Pink, I would have never thought that was a white girl. Literally Toni Braxton or something, like could release the same song as like celine dion and they would put tony braxton in the r&b category and they'd put celine dion in the pop category at that time and it would never it would never cross over and it feels like maybe you know not to not to like make decisions for them or like definitively say how i feel right here but it's like i always wish that it's like the grammy should be like they get together

they felt that 10 pieces of work were really deserving of recognition this year and we have like a large performance like that is like all those amazing pieces of work and then you do it like that but this characterization based on like race with the grammys and you know gender in everything as as gender is becoming um something different than it used to be in the public eye like i feel like all of this is feeling really antiquated so as the media gets more sensitive and you find out like these things can be bought and sold and it's all industry pandering whatever and they place things the way they see fit that works best for them it kind of like for kids that like loved the grammys and loved the oscars like it makes it so much less fun and so much it's so

much shittier to watch but it's also like freeing to understand that that's the reality of the world and you do get something from that it is being exposed for what it is more so than it was in the past i think hopefully it's like when it. It's like when our friend Sudi always... So there was one time where I was watching the reality show The X Factor with her. And I was like, this is like American Idol, but better. And I was watching it with her

and this girl was performing and she was not having it. Our friend Sudi was not having it. And I was like, why don't you like it? She's like, look at how many Pepsi cans there are there are count how many and that was the first time i ever like quote unquote saw all the pepsi cans like my mind was i couldn't not see the way i was being marketed to at all times from now on but i i someone who was born in consumer america like us all, like I had to be told that it was happening. You know,

you have to be slapped across the face to wake up and like, understand that like this, this is bullshit. Like that happens at different times for different people. But I guess what I'm saying is I'm happy it happened at all because it's so real. Yeah. Well,

I mean, we're still watching the Grammys though, as much as we, the first episode of this podcast is called the Grammys. We talked about the grammys we talked about yeah yeah as as flawed as they are i mean we're still we're still tuning in because awards still matter is that it's it's too easy to say oh screw them anyways is that no the awards matter that's why they're given out to people that's why you have them because they're motivating their reminders they're they're given out to people that's why you have them because they're motivating their reminders they're they're everything that you need them to be when you need uplifting and etc and it's yeah they're still just it's too important in in pop culture and our culture and music in america

to to abandon it yeah but if you know if they're not willing to change what position are we left in you know right right for sure damn and i think i what position are we left in, you know? Right, right. For sure. Damn. And I think it might be time on that note for I Don't Think So, Honey. Yes. Wouldn't you say, Beau? I would say so. So I Don't Think So, Honey is our segment

at the end of every episode. We take one minute each to rail against something in the culture using the words I Don't Think So, Honey as the sort of syntactical frame for it. So Matt, so we'll do Matt, me, and then we'll do Gabe.

Does that sound good? That sounds good. That sounds good. Okay, great. I have one and I'm ready to fire away on it. That's perfect. This is Matt Rogers.

I don't think so. Honey, his time starts now. I don't think so. Honey, you feeling like you need to shit talk my ex just because they're my ex. You don't need to do that. Whoa. Like people who come up to you and are so, honey, you feeling like you need to shit talk my ex just because they're my ex. You don't need to do that. Whoa.

Like people who come up to you and are like, oh, just so you know, I always thought this about your ex. Shut up. Because, A, you're wrong because I liked that person and even loved that person. And B, it's like if you thought this the whole fucking time, where were you at? Disingenuous piece of shit. I don't think so, honey. Also, you don't have to fill the time with this bitch there's so many other things that we could talk about also maybe

i don't even want to talk about my fucking ex i want to talk about how the grammys are bullshit i don't want to talk about my ex also not for nothing but a lot of the shit that you say about my ex is not true you don't know them like i know them and there's nothing you're gonna do to illuminate me and also if you're gonna tell me something shitty about my ex guess what bitch I probably already knew it that's probably one of the part of the reasons why we broke up I don't think so honey you coming with the breaking news that actually you didn't like that my my boyfriend had a bad taste or was weird shut up you're not helping me you're not helping yourself you look stupid I don't think so honey and that's one minute wow that that that was just like a straight line, like start to finish.

It's not a good idea to do this. Yeah, I know. Totally. Don't do it. Don't do it. Because also it's just like, I'm so happy you broke up with so-and-so because this. It's like, this is ugly. And also, who are you to bring this up to me?

And also, I don't want to hear this and another thing too is like i have i'm on good terms with everyone that i've been in a relationship with yeah who are you to assume who are you to assume that it was a contemptuous thing in the first place yeah i don't know i guess i guess maybe it's like people run out of things to say or feel like they have to to make me feel better but it's like no we're in a post jada and will at the red table world where it's kind of i i hope that it's sort of reorganized our thoughts around what separation means what not that they're even separated but around like what you know what like a compromised couple hood is yeah and also it's like i'll bring my partner to the red table i don't need you to bring me to the red table about my partner. I actually, I've seen red table and I know how it works.

And I know that I bring myself to the red table or it doesn't mean anything. Basically what it reminds me of is when people are like, oh, hey, like, I just want to let you know that so-and-so just happened to tell me this. Like, it seems like they might they might feel this this way about you or think that no why do they feel so comfortable telling you about it then yes yes why are you in a position to be you know a a sticky pad for this for this rat to get caught on exactly and also oh you're playing because you're playing one of us somebody's getting played and i'm not going to be played so you if somebody feels comfortable telling you some shit you're out i've cut you

out the circle is done so i know it's out it always puts in my head like well what did you say to them when they said that to you like i always know that this person has talked more shit than they let on and that's that's actually a thing and i'll say it out to the universe right now i don't know how you guys feel i never want to know when someone is talking shit about me ever just let me live in this ignorant bliss i never want to know i don't i don't need that because honestly i'm the kind of person that will sit with it all day you can send me a screenshot which is because that's a receipt. Send me a receipt. Send me something material fact. Fine. I'm not going to say no to facts because then that's just choosing to

be ignorant. And that's something different. But for someone to present the facts, that's one thing though. That's a different thing. It's just like if you are on somebody's finster or some shit, I don't know whatever the kids do. Or like they dropped a tweet and then deleted it and

you caught it in time fine fine fine but if suddenly it's just something that you're in conversation with them with for some reason regardless of if you made it or you let it then no then like come over to my house let me see your phone truly and even then it's like too much manipulation is possible just no yeah no i just feel like if here's what I would say to everyone. If you are if you have information and you're going to give it to someone and it's about them and it's going to hurt them, that sucks. If it's going to hurt them, but help them, then maybe it's worth giving. If someone needs to know something. And I always feel like people can filter things into what they need to say and what they want to say.

But people seem to really lose that line. And I feel like just keep it to yourself. If it's going to hurt someone's feelings, don't be the messenger. Because I might shoot the messenger. Wow. With a bow and arrow. Okay. Okay.

And now with that, it's going to be Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey now Bowen Yang do you have a topic on this day I do I have a topic alright well that's good I feel very passionate about it well here we go well this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey and his time actually is going to start now I Don't Think So Honey

giant ice cube is in a tumbler it just rolls around it hits you in your damn nose when you're trying to take a little sip of something do you know what i'm saying and what is the what is the novelty around it are we still in like 2014 where this was cool are we still in a time where mixologists are fuckable i mean they still are and i actually don't i actually i was thinking about this the other day i was like oh no like no, like, I was like, what

happened to, like, the sexy mixologist? I mean, it must be the pandemic because bars are closed, but I feel like there is gonna be, I feel like we need the return of the sexy mixologist again. I feel like, culturally, they've been sidelined and marginalized too long. Okay. Anyway, but I think

we can take the giant ice cube out of that sort of aesthetic, right? Because I think that it's not this, like, but I think we can take it we can take the giant ice cube out of that sort of aesthetic Right because I think that it's not this like necessary motif in You know In in bar culture. I don't need a giant fucking thing of ice hitting me in the face as I take and that's That's quite enough. I just want to tell you as a former bartender it is a stylish thing to have that large ice cube it's a thing of style it's not functional it's not functional it's why why is it why do i why do i need that okay i i want my little trapezoid prism cubes in my glass

that's it that is antiquated. No, it should. It's just there's a reason why it's so, you know, it's so sort of widely distributed. First of all, for an ice cube to be functional, all it has to do is make a liquid cold. And that's actually rule of culture number 70. For an ice cube to be functional, all it has to do is make a liquid cold. You talking about the functionality. Maybe you have a big fucking nose, bitch. How about that?

Get your nose out of the drink. How about don't go so far back? It's not about the individual experience. It's about the collective struggle with big ice cubes and the way that they are distracting. You say big ice cube like it's like big industry. No,

no, no. I'm saying like on a scale thing. On a scale. Will you attack it as such? Gabe, please decide this for us. Listen, I have to be on the side of the bartender. I don't think the bartenders like the big ice cubes. They do. That's why they use them.

That's why you've been fucking with themselves. You have to think about tip factor. Tip factor is that having a bigger ice cube looks cool because it's been marketed as a higher taste kind of item which is why people have you know whiskeys neat with the ice cube with the with the with the larger sphere it's just expected that if you're given a larger ice cube and then they slowly pour it on top of it that you are likely going to see it as a luxury item and therefore

tip better which is going to help them pay their rent. So I got to go with it. And that's why Gabe and I are for the working class and we are for the people and Bo and Yang is classist and the establishment and he is Saturday Night Live. When I tip my bartender, I'm tipping them for the, just the liquor.

Bitch, no, it is an experience and therefore you've obviously been in pandemic too long if if okay if any bartenders it's okay to be like that

but just let him know so that he just cuts down all the effort and just gives it to you without the show and just tell him say hey I don't care less if it's like

if it's the good stuff it's the good stuff just give it to me fine but then you're telling him he can't perform and also part of part of the joy stuff, it's the good stuff. Just give it to me. But then you're telling him he can't perform. And also part of the joy of doing it is the art of seduction.

Oh, my God. I mean, I feel like... Maybe that doesn't track entirely, but to me it does. Both of you are stupid. It's marketing too. Half of it's marketing is that you're showing the other people that are about to order that you're that bitch and that you can make that drink. A hundred percent you're saying you want to wait for my ass to pour you your cocktail over this globular ice cube that you don't even know how the sausage is made but just come over here sit down and have a drink i mean i then i mean this does fall on me individually to be like i don't like this thing

and that's fine it's your i don't think so honey you're entitled thank you and thank you we have to respect the i don't think so honey we respect the form but also understand that once you got dive into the form the form is then you know it's able to be critiqued okay thank you um i think it's time for gabe to do his i am excited so do you have a topic here? So I do. I do. It was either going to be one or another, but we already went over Kanye. And here's the thing. Kanye,

he doesn't even deserve our energy on the I Don't Think So Honey. We just need him to go get well. But, okay. It's Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez's I don't think so honey and his time starts now I don't think so honey people that hate on the Bronx

I don't know who you are or where you come from or what you get off on thinking that you could hate on the best borough in New York City chances are that you're the type of person that strolled into town not from here so you don't have a voice in it. And then you're probably also the same person that moves into a gentrified apartment in Brooklyn because it's trendy for you. And then you go out and you post on Instagram and Twitter, Black Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter. But you chose

to go into a neighborhood where you either knowingly or unknowingly displaced Black and Hispanic families. How much do Black Lives Matter to you? And then you want to go into a neighborhood where you either knowingly or unknowingly displaced Black and Hispanic families. So how much do Black Lives Matter to you? And then you want to go ahead and then hate on the Bronx. We have given you me, AOC, J-Lo, Cardi B, Sonia Sotomayor, Colin Powell.

Do not come for us. We are the best borough. We are the kindest borough. And we are the realest borough. And you get your life and your pop culture from us and our style. If you like us, then you have to from us and our style if you like us

then you have to respect us you cannot hate on the bronx damn and that's one minute who the fuck are these and he did it in a 50 in a quick 58 but wait who the fuck are these people talking shit about the bronx are they just as throwaway things being like oh the bronx no it's just people that totally dismiss it as like a respectable part of new york city as they're like millions of people don't live here and as if we don't have major contributions to the culture i mean the yankee cap us you know regis philbin us yeah you know like the godfather's us like you know like seriously if you ever jammed out to on the six you have to respect the 6 train as it goes into the Bronx.

You have to respect the 6 train as it goes into the Bronx. That's simple. It's actually Rula Culture number 101. Know where the 6 goes. Know where the 6 goes. On the 6, yeah. That album. You cannot say that you like J.Lo without doing your best

to not erase an entire burrow of this huge city. The Bronx created Waiting for a Night. So it's like if you've ever waited for an event at night, you owe it to the Bronx. You owe it to the Bronx. You owe it to J-Lo. We do owe it to the Bronx. Also, can we say, what a perfectly titled album.

What an amazing debut album. What a perfectly titled album. What a fucking bops. Every time you hear Waiting for Tonight, you're done for. You have to respect that song and give that song it's three and a half minutes because it is a bop forever and also she owns that green lighting no one else can use that green lasers hit me in the eye and that's what led to homosexuality for me yeah i would believe that's what led to homosexuality that's that's what happened she was on the screen and then there were green lasers and i like blinked twice and um and that was gay yeah so that had to be when you were like what because that that was 2000 was that 1999 that was 99 yeah so you were

seven i was six and a half yeah that'll do it that'll do it all you need is a icon to come in at that formative stage of your life when you're kind of realizing what your personality is. And a Puerto Rican? Someone I'm like, oh, I know her. Yeah. What's your thoughts on JLo as she stands? Do we stand? JLo?

She's about to buy the mats. She just lost. She's got swag, man. She's got swag. She's dope. She performs. She looks amazing. She is lost. She's got swag, man. She's got swag. She's dope. She performs. She looks amazing. She is amazing.

You can't really come for her. Anybody, even if you want to question somebody's talent, if they've got longevity, you can't say shit. That's the reality. Is that if they've kept their foot in the door and then some, you just can't come for them. Like, if you want to try to clock Mariah, you just can't. No, you can't. No,

you can't. We were talking on our last episode with Justin Tranter, who's a big songwriter. He was saying like, just as someone who works in the industry, whenever an artist has more, like multiple hits, like again and again and again and again, it is because of the artist.

And you do have to have respect. Like he, he works with Selena Gomez a lot and she is another one where people are like, whatever. it's Selena Gomez. She's not a good singer, whatever. But she is artistically involved and chooses all those things. And you can't just be an artist that they feed everything to for years and years and years. And JLo has been going for years and years and years and years.

Probably before she was even in the mind's eye of you the reader at home like before selena well she i mean she was a fly girl like the early early for a lot of people their whole idea of selena is directly tied to jennifer lufus and that should have been an oscar nominated performance right there because my my thing with the oscars is always like I feel like someone should be nominated if no one else could have done it. No one else can play that. Who else could have done that? Yeah. Who else would have had the star quality to get out there in that like huge stadium?

And who would you buy turning around and smiling, cracking a smile, a movie star, pop star smile, and the entire arena going crazy. It's just like, you have to be so good. And she was so funny and so heart-wrenching. And to me, that was like a star is born moment on another level. And she has re-upped that again and again and again. She can do it all. From In Living Color to the Super Bowl halftime, the one good thing that happened this year,

I mean, what a fucking, what a fucking legend. And I, and I gotta say, I shared a very gay moment with her Monday during the pitch meeting at SNL. I told you this, Matt. What? She, she had the, um.

She came to host SNL in Bowen. She came, she hosted SNL, but she, in the pitch meeting, she had this, um, she had this bag that had like, sort of this like andy warhol like barbara strisand face on it that's this coach she got she got coached before coach releases their stuff wow and then i sat down and then i whispered to myself i didn't think she would hear

i said barbara and then she looks at me and goes and strokes the back and goes barbara and looks into my soul and goes, Barbara. And she did it because it's Funny Girl, and it's because she was hosting SNL. And it's because it's icons, and it's icons respecting icons. Icons respecting icons. J-Lo is a bonafide icon. Definitely. And the Bronx

gave her to you, everyone. And you have to respect Gabe saying, the Bronx gave you so many things. Me, my sister. Yes! To start off with yourself, you have to respect Gabe saying the Bronx gave you so many things me my sister to start off with yourself listen I'm never gonna put myself last you are gonna always be your best advocate and at the end of the day

any interaction that you have with me you're not gonna forget me and that's just how it's gonna be Gabe okay I love this and quickly just explain to people your philosophy around this advice that you're giving on an IG. Because I think it is a thing that has a lot of legs. I think you start your own sort of like column, perhaps.

I think there's a future in this for you, in this space. I had no idea that it was going to turn into what it is. Like, I get uproar in my DMs when it closes out. It's... I think people, I don't know how they find me i feel so sorry that they end up following me um no but the reality is that i i get a lot of people that reach out to me because i think that they've seen enough of my content and interacted with me in mediums like this where they understand that i'm just gonna give it to you straight no chaser yeah but i'm gonna give it to you in a way that, you know, rips off the bandaid, but not for the sake of burning you for the sake of causing pain. You know what I'm saying?

I'm going to give you just enough that you need to hear and leave it open-ended enough that you can interpret it the way you need to, because I'm not here to tell you how to live your life. You know what I'm saying? So this is how I go about it. I mean, I've been approached to potentially do it as something more formal, maybe something, you know, in collaboration with the company, something editorial. And I'm toying with it. But the thing is that the more you get people into it, the more I'm scared for its integrity of what it is. So I'm not afraid to leave it as a Q and a me directly to the people. Um, if that means that I lose out on a check, then that's what it is.

But I want it to just constantly be sincere. If you're asking me about how to handle your, you know, prison fiance that you've never met or, you know, just coming out as potentially as trans or coming out as just anything. And perhaps you just don't even know yourself, but you know that you have that urge inside you it's just the range and the gamut being run um of people that are just coming to me it's just really intriguing and it's really um it's really humbling that people want my help in this i'm really excited to see what becomes of you and the talent that you've so clearly possessed because it's very cool and we we could we wanted you on the show because we felt that you were definitely special so we're

super excited that you came out and did the show oh you're sweet yeah yeah he is and every time you talk to me you're gonna leave the interaction knowing that that guy is sweet i'll see you see i planted the seed in his head now he's just like he's thinking about it. He's like, yeah, I need everybody to re-remember me again after the interaction. You are giving him an identity, which is the best thing to give to someone.

Thank you so much. I've been waiting for years to get one. Wow, this episode was fucking great. A phenomenal episode. Thank you so much to Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez for joining us. Thank you for having me. It was great. And tell them your damn handle so they can follow you.

So I'm on Instagram at Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez. I'm on Twitter at Gabe Cortez, but I'm private on Twitter. So maybe I'll let you follow me. Maybe I won't, but try it. Why not? You know what? Try it. Why not?

Which I love it. I love it. And honestly, front runner for title of app. Try it. Try it. Why not? You know what? Try it. Why not? I love it. I love it. And honestly, front runner for title of app. Try it. Try it. I like that. It's nice.

Try it. We close every episode out with the song. We'd really do. What do you think? Like, we've done. In the sweetest dream. I pictured us together.

And the feeling of your lips On my fingertips Have to say it's even better And to hear the rest of that, you can go listen to the album On the 6th by Jennifer Lopez, The Bronx's Own! Exactly.

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