Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "You've Had Contact..." (w/ Garcelle Beauvais)

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

Sound the Icon Alert!!! We don't have one? We gotta get one. IT IS TRULY a glorious day because Garcelle Beauvais is joining Matt & Bowen on Las Culturistas! Look at God! And they're asking the hard questions: did her Spiderman: Homecoming character Doris Toomes survive the snap and the blip? Does she even know what any of that means? The answer might not shock you. What do we need to know regarding the BTS of working with Jamie Foxx, Eddie Murphy, Michael Jordan and, yes, Will Smith? And what can we espect to go down on the new season of RHOBH? What goes down in ASPEN?!?!? All this, coming to America (lol) from Haiti and discovering R&B music, the visceral movie star sexuality of Brad Pitt in Thelma & Louise, maintaining your "front row" relationships, finally *some* Oscars decompressing, and the very REAL camaraderie between the ladies of The Real. Garcelle's memoir Love Me As I Am is out on April 12th, and you'll be better for reading it. We have been touched by greatness!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Wow. Las Culturistas.

Ding dong. Las Cultururistas calling and how is she she's good i guess it's bruce guilloclock i'm clutching my dale's pale ale in one hand and i love dale's for you i am drinking an elysian night owl pumpkin ale which is sort of crazy for you know the month of april can i ask you how long that's been sitting in your fridge going on months now bo you're never gonna believe this but i actually accrued about 40 pumpkin beers that's right do you remember this i said on this podcast you can't get a good pumpkin beer in la and the readers you came through you were sending me a fleet a true fleet of pumpkin beers they are still in my fridge and I'm making a dent in it today. Oh my goodness. I really, I'm not, you know me, I'm not always a beer guy. Not really,

no. But I feel like there's something so commanding in our guest's presence where she just, she held up the most beautiful tall glasses beer I've ever seen in my life. One of the tallest glasses in America, we should say. That was one of the tallest glasses in the country. It was one of the tallest glasses I've seen in this great country of ours. And I have to say, I thought maybe for a second we were drinking just some sort of like thick Prosecco.

And then it was revealed to be a beer. And so we're all celebrating with some brewskis right now. We are. She's off the clock from her quote unquote day job and she's relaxing with us. I mean, aren't you so thrilled that our guest is here? This is beyond. This is how I know, Beau, that the podcast has, you know, quote unquote made it. And you know, despite the fact that the podcast has received critical acclaim and been cited in academic work for our insight into the entertainment industry,

I do have to say that this may be the highest accomplishment thus far, is securing the guest. I absolutely agree. We are such fans of hers. We both loved the memoir.

We're holding it in our hands right now. Podcasts are famously not a visual medium. If they were, you would see that we are holding the guests, like, just incredible book, Love Me As I Am, which was out on April 12th. Don't wait till the 13th, hun. If you're out there waiting, it's not a good idea, because you can go

on the 12th. And get the pre-orders in, why don't you? I mean, you were saying earlier about how you ran to our guest at some sort of fancy event and just watching you guys sort of discuss fancy pre-awards events. I was just like,

I have so much to learn. Night befores is what they're called in the biz. I've had the pleasure of meeting her already with her producing partner, Lisa. Glam. Oh my God. Lisa was wonderful. Lisa L meeting her already with her producing partner, Lisa. Glam. Oh my God. Lisa was wonderful. Lisa L. Wilson, Bove Wilson Productions. Let's just look, can we quickly just do a little run through of the credits for our guests? It's like so fruitless because the credit list is so stacked, but let's just go ahead and say,

you, if you're a listener or a reader rather of this podcast you certainly know our guests from the real housewives of beverly hills and when we say day job we do mean the real which to my eye and i i do have sort of a honed eye is the best panel show on television yes we should establish for our guests that matt has has an incredibly wide or diverse palette in terms of daytime television. And for Matt to really love The Real. The Real's the best. In a superlative way. The superlative, it's just superlative

after superlative with our guests. The best daytime talk shows. Jamie Foxx show The House Down, Coming to America. Yes, that is a two. And of course it's original Coming to America. I mean, we're talking about NYPD Blue. We're talking about,

I mean, just, this is an iconic day. Wait, she's in one of my favorite, one of the most iconic episodes of Curb, Your Enthusiasm. There you go. With the surrogate. Also part of one of the best twists

in Marvel history. Okay. Oh my God, you're so right. Let's not sleep on it. All right. We can't oh my god this actor is in the mcu you know she's she's she was she was in the blip i think she survived the blip we actually i don't know i wonder if she knows if she survived the blip or even knows about the blip we're gonna find out she's shaking her we're gonna find out but we're so excited she's here

the book is love me as i am out April 12th. Please welcome into your ears, Garcelle Beauvais! First of all, I could listen to you guys all damn day. No, this is a trialogue. You're in this now. You are so funny, both of you. Oh, thank you. Hi, do you know what the blip is?. Hi. Do you know what the blip is?

No, I don't know what the blip is. Okay, so Thanos, kind of the big baddie in the Avengers movies, snaps his fingers after he gets the Infinity Gauntlet, wipes out half of life, basically. Oh. So half of the world just disappears into dust, as it were.

And, you know, for about three to five years, I don't know what the exact time frame is. You know, the people of Earth are sort of traumatized by this crazy event. And some people survived it, some people didn't. But then in the end, things are all good and people come back to life. Oh, well, I hope I'm not in the blip.

I mean, I think what we think about Doris Toombs is, which is, of course, the character's name, she may have perished in the snap and come back in the blip. But so, but who's to say, really? Who's to say? Who's to say? I have to tell you guys, when I got the offer for this job, first of all, I was like playing on the floor with my kids. Yeah.

My manager calls, as you you know you know that world and he calls and he goes you got a movie offer and i was like great and he goes but i don't know anything about it and i can't tell you anything about it and it's a secret project and i thought what are you high like who are they used to that and then he goes it's's Marvel. And I said, hang up the phone and call them right back. Yes. And it was a great part. I mean, like it really like there's that scene. So for those who don't know at home, you find out that Doris Tombs, the character played by Garcelle, is not just the mother of Peter Parker's love interest in the film, but the wife of the villain

played by Michael Keaton himself. How about that? First of all, Michael Keaton is my favorite Batman. Hands down. Wow. So when I flew to Atlanta, we shot there. I didn't even know my part. And the first day I'm in the theater,

Michael Keaton comes up and he gives me this big hug and he goes, I did good picking a wife. And I was like, what? Oh my God. Batman? Batman? Crazy. Michael, I feel like that is such a perfect like vibe sort of encapsulation on your career it's like people want to work with you crazy i'm just a little girl from haiti i could have been selling coconuts but you listed in the book like towards the end like i got i get to work with all these amazing actors in this wide breadth of projects and it really is like it hit me by the end not that this is new information to me but i go wow she really has had this incredible career right like j-lo when she won her icon awards i'm just getting started honey

yes no it really feels like this is like i mean we've been fans for a very long time like i i always remember you even way back from the 90s because i used to watch the jamie fuck show it sometimes would be on in the house you've've always just had such an incredible, like, magnetic screen presence. And I always remember seeing you on red carpets and everything. And then, to be honest, like a couple of years ago, when they said that you were joining Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, that kind of felt like a left field thing for me. But now in watching it and watching you, especially on the second season,

really find your way you are a great housewife and i feel like it's like it's like i still can't believe i am when people go you're a housewife i go what yeah really i panic though the week before um they were gonna start airing you know my season, I was at home and Bravo was sort of doing a recap of the past season. And I literally freaked out and called my girlfriend and go, Oh my God. Oh my God. It's incredible. Was it this moment where you were like, you, you, you saw, you had the foresight in that moment to be like, Oh, I'm going to be on this show. And I'm going to be in these little clip super cuts going forward now.

Yeah. That's going to be surreal. Definitely. I mean, like, wow. And I've said this before, like, you know, like you guys are saying about my career. I've done some incredible things here and there. I've worked with some incredible people here and there. I have never gotten more attention than when the announcement of Housewives came out.

Yeah. I think you wrote about it in the book too, where you were like, you know, you got the offer and it was this calculated risk for you to be like, do I want to do this? What do I gain from this? And I think you said that you gain like this platform being given to you.

And then you took that, that's the thing that you took very seriously. And I feel like you saying this is kind of hopefully proves out that this was a worthwhile thing for you. That now, for you to say that this is the thing that people know you in right now is a huge deal. Yeah, it is a huge deal. I mean, you know, the fans are just so invested in all the franchises,

but I feel like Beverly Hills is like the mothership, right? And it's unbelievable how people want to know what you're doing, where you're doing it. I've done interviews where people go, the vase in the background is different now. And I'm like, what? Oh my gosh. They wanted the backstory on the vase.

They want to know the drama with the vase. I use the vase right they want to know the drama with the vase i use the vase as in a as a short aquarium and i had dorit and kyle in there that's right the goldfish so they're both gone now they're gone you know that's what happens with fish kyle and dorit both dead it's the season it's like it's like friendships on housewives they come and go they change um but yeah i was thinking in reading the book and and just in watching you as much as we've watched you now like that does have to be you know for because i always think when someone has a successful acting career and then they go on housewives like it is a risk because you know it's sort of opening up people to then make a judgment on you as a person.

And I guess nowadays, everything kind of blends in a little bit more. Like we see people and they play roles. And I guess maybe because it's social media or because the media is so sensitive now, it seems to matter less. But you have been doing this for a very long time. So that also had to be a consideration. Like, do I want to be a reality star? Right? Totally. I mean, when my, you know, my team called and they said, you know, they're interested in you for Beverly Hills,

they're like, we're gonna pass. But since you know, so many people, we just want to let you know. And I was like, wait, you want it? And they were like, No. And I'm like, No, no, no, let me sleep on it. And, you know, I've always done things sort of like outside the box in terms of like, I've written children's books, I've, you know, done television hosting for other, other shows. So I've always done other things. So that for me, I just had to really sit with it. And I didn't want to travel so much. As an actor. So many things are not shot in LA. And I felt like I was always away and i have my kids half the time and they were about to go to middle school and i thought sex drugs and rock and roll is knocking at our door and i want to be home yeah about the sex drugs and the rock and roll

so when i called them back and i said you know what i i want to do it and i always feel like i always say yes to a meeting because you never know, even if it's not for that project, but at least you get to meet new people and who knows, right? So I was like, let's try it. Let's go for it. And then I obviously had to talk to my ex and my kids and my son, Jax goes, are we getting paid? I'm only in it for the money. And I was like, no, you're not getting paid, but I'll hook you up. There you go. He gets something, like some bump in his allowance.

You know what? We forgot to mention the podcast Going to Bed with Garcelle. Oh God, let's talk about that. Which, and this is another thing about the book which I love, is the words getting my back blown out are in this book. So if you think that we are not keeping it absolutely

you say you keep it real in the very first opening lines of the book and you fully do that and then i love that you have a podcast which is like fully focused kind of on that topic because you talk about how it took you a very long time to sort of get to know yourself like that for sure for sure listen i grew up in a in a Haitian household, which is very strict. We don't talk about sex. We don't talk about anything really that's deep or, you know, controversial. So when I started to, you know, find myself realize, you know, who I am and what I like, what I don't like, I realized, you know, it's liberating for women now to talk about sex and own it. And, you know, you have songs like WAP and, you know, women are coming into their own. Yes.

And I also remember it was like, I think it was on Housewives. It was your first lunch with Erika Jayne. And I remember you asked her, how's the sex? How's the sex with Tom? Oh, yeah. Even she, Erika Jayneane like had to take a second

to like she was chewing she was she was she was chewing food i think she was mid-shoe chewing but you know she she was caught off her guard um and i was just like yeah but that is the question we all want to know the answer to it's the one we haven't asked come on he was 80 something, right? 81 at the time. And yeah, I mean, she's a hot, hot girl. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I was dying to know, like, what are you doing? Are you, you know, servicing and tucking them in and then doing your own thing?

Are you servicing and tucking them in? Honestly, where are we at on the scale here? I don't know. We really don't know but i guess that that must have taken time to build to that level of candor where you kind of just can straight up ask someone with a camera rolling how often do you have i mean like like like i feel like that because i because i relate as a child of immigrants as an immigrant myself like i mean we didn't we never talked about sex growing up in the house either we still don't really and i think i'm still like unlearning a lot of that and i hope to

one day ask someone if they're having sex with their 80 year old spouse i think you can bow i think you're there yeah you know we relate on that for sure um i remember when i moved to New York at 17 and I came home to visit my mom and she saw birth control pills in my purse. And she said, you've had contact. You know, we were spiritual aliens. You've had contact. And that was the extent of it. And that's it. And that's all that's all Kiki said.

That was that was it, really. I mean, we never really talked about it. And that's it. And that's all Kiki said. That was it, really. I mean, we never really talked about it. So for me, I mean, once I went to New York, I sort of like, you know, she, when I say in the book, she gave me the wings to fly. That was my chance to go find who I am, or at least try to figure out who I was and, you know, what I liked and what I didn't like and who I, you know, just who I became. Yeah. But it was definitely a process. You know, I wouldn't have asked anybody at 17, how's your sex life?

Sure. Well, I feel like you are very honest with yourself in this book. And I feel like, I wonder how you had to, how much you had to catalog the intimate connections you would have with people. Because speaking of the podcast, you did write in the book how you and Jamie, you had Jamie on. Yeah. And you guys kind of both waxed nostalgic about your time on the show. And you did mention in the book, and this is just me quoting the book, that there were some fireworks just popping backstage behind the scenes.

A steamy kiss. A steamy kiss. A steamy kiss. I mean, we got to kiss as the character which was always great and jamie would always go how many takes do we have time to do oh my god i just want to perfect my craft but that one steamy kiss was backstage and it wasn't character based. And yeah, I mean, he's a great kisser. He's he's just a great guy. And but I knew you don't blank where you eat. Yes.

Yes. I didn't want to like, God forbid, something happened on episode six. Right. Or, you know, not having a good time at work. Right. You know, and not to bring matt and i's experience into this but i think we are we are starting to learn that it's like literally i like i like reach for my notebook to write that down i'm like it's so funny i have this notebook here because i've

been mainlining the new brené brown and i'm like taking notes like like i'm like literally the atlas of your heart or whatever it's the new hbo max thing and so like it's really good and honestly bowen you'll be proud of me tomorrow i have my and maybe you will too garcelle tomorrow i have my very first therapy appointment ever i'm finally doing it amazing and um amazing yeah and so like i'm just very interested now because i just finished a job and i have some time like you know just like you know getting to know and just the way she breaks down emotion and everything so love that you're gonna be you're gonna become an amazing person now that you're not but we can always improve we can always grow work in progress even like she she like she broke

down emotion she said emotion is biology biography behavior and backstory and i just think even as an actor that helps wow you know that's such a interesting the four b's that tool but i reached down to to fake write down that advice to myself from you and i saw don't don't blink where you bling don't blink where you eat eat but you know bone and i could learn that better that's for sure that should have been one of my gems oh yes the gems you have the gems in the back of the book they're these beautiful beautiful like encapsulations of

like you know all your sort of principles I guess is for lack of a better word okay so I know you guys got the pre-copy you have to get the actual book because the pictures in there are amazing I do want to see pictures tell us what are the pictures of tell us oh my god of everything of me as a kid me with tom ford me with jamie foxx i mean michael jordan there's a few people

in there okay i loved the michael jordan story so garcelle tells a great story about basically how michael jordan was fully barking up her tree back in the day and you didn't know who he was? I didn't know who he was. Unreal. Oh, my God. I went on a go-see at Essence Magazine and, you know, I got hired for the job. I was going for a fitting. And they said, tomorrow you're working with Michael Jordan. And the way they said it, I knew it was somebody that was important but i didn't

know who it was there was no google there was nothing so i'm like i'm so excited cool no idea who he was and with that name michael jordan it could have been anyone in america he was just a tall guy to you like you still know he was a tall chocolate man. He couldn't have been nicer and the way everybody was fawning. And so after the shoot, I called home and my brother was like, are you kidding? Oh my gosh.

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I think it was your first season was when you went out to lunch with Sheree Zampino and all of y'all's friends. And now Sheree is on the show. Yes. So, and you mentioned that you dated Will Smith.

Like, was that before Sheree? Or like, what was the deal with that? I think actually, we talked about this the other day. I can't remember. It was after her marriage. They were divorced. And he was doing Fresh Prince. And I did like four episodes of Fresh Prince.

That's right. And I was two different characters. It was the weirdest thing. Oh, you played two different characters? Yeah. We liked her. Bring her back. Bring her back and uh so yeah so you know i mean i was an ingenue he was single and and you know a tv star so we went out a couple of times it wasn't a long lasting um relationship but i remember one day calling him and he was in the car and his son with sheree were he was in the

back so uh he picked up on the you know in the car and bluetooth or whatever it was back in the day or speakerphone and uh and he said hey how you doing and i said i'm great and i heard this little voice in the background go is that that Miss Jada? Oh my God. And that's when I was like, okay, I'm not the only one. Exit stage left. Unbelievable. I can't be like, girl, it is not about you.

You better get out of there. It still could have been about you. Please. If a kid knows somebody, then that person's a little bit more important right but you're not gonna like fight for that spot no because it wasn't like that okay okay i get it i get it it was cash it was cash this is something pretty historic about you garcelle's for there to be two actors playing one role in aunt viv you might be one of the only people in the fresh

prince universe to be the same actor playing multiple parts. I know. That was so crazy. I came in as, when he went to school, when he got to the private school. And then I came back as a different character in the apartment

when they had that big guy come in and we had to hide him. I mean, it was crazy. It was shenanigans. But it was such a cool show. Like, you know, we didn't have a lot of shows that were for us in a way.

Right. And that's what made Jamie Foxx show so special was because it was one of those like jewels in the crown of like black sitcoms. Totally. That's great. I mean, there was another I think there's another story in the book about Eddie Murphy being like another like one that kind of got away. Yeah. I mean, but you that kind of got away. Yeah. I mean, but,

but you, you reunite with these men like that, but that's what's so like mature about this whole thing is, and so beautiful. And it kind of speaks to your, you know, your perspective over the years is that you can still like approach these people in this very professional way that still has a lot of emotion and

heart and memory associated to them. Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, I think for me, my background and the way I was raised has a lot to do with, it's like my foundation, right? So with Eddie, we worked, you know, on coming to America, the original, and listen, there were so many beautiful women on that set.

It was like, we were all hired just for that. I had gone up for the lead role which i had no business doing i knew nothing about acting and so of course i didn't get that part but john landis i remember called my modeling agency i didn't even have an agent and he was like if she wants to be in the business this is a great way for her to see what it's like and be a part of it and it was like a three-month shoot and so um i decided to do it and everybody was vying for him i mean you know i'm sure but yeah we had a really great chemistry and he was really cool and really he was such a gentleman yeah even then when he was his star was rising there was something about him that was still a gentleman. And I liked that.

Yeah. Yeah. Classy guy, really classy guy. I barely sort of, you know, crossed paths with him when he, when he was hosting SNL a couple of years ago, but it was such like a,

I mean, all of us like sat around being like, we wouldn't be here without him. You know, this land saved the show, you know, like it would have just ended after, you know,

five, 10 seasons or whatever. It was great to see him back on the stage. It really was. It was phenomenal to see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So fun. And we talk a lot about all these roles that you've played, but you really do seem so comfortable being yourself on the real. And then I didn't know that was one of your ambitions, like from way back was to always wanting to be a talk show host. And I mean, I didn't know it was a talk show host, but I thought journalism, entertainment, you know, and I remember we had, you know, like, you know, how you have in school, you have a channel at school and, you know, we'd get to go up and tell the news or whatever was

happening. And I always wanted to do that. And so even before acting, and I remember my agents and you know, my people would always say, but you're doing so well, like, why would you? At that time, people weren't really diversifying. Yeah, right. You know, if you were an actor, you were strictly an actor. If you were a model, you were strictly that. And so I waited and waited and then finally got the chance. you tell a story about um spending a week at the view oh my god oh this I really couldn't believe it because it's like you you do I mean everyone needs to get the book to to especially like people that listen to this podcast like love when we talked about like the ladies who punch however you know people want to receive

that but it's it is so fascinating like the view is such a integral part of pop culture and there is that fascination about what goes on behind the scenes because you know you hear certain things and then i would imagine that when you go there and you do sort of get at this in the book too you just think it can't possibly be the reality you know what i mean it can't actually be that and then it is yeah and what was really like the juxtaposition of both is i was in haiti when i got the call that they wanted me to come do a week so here i am in a country that you know there's not a lot um and uh and the women in haiti are so prideful whether you have a nickel or whether you have you know more money it's just like there's a sense of pride and ownership and faithful you know hopefulness and so going from there where you know there's there's a lot of lack

yeah flying to new york where there's everything right. And I and I go and I was just expecting like, come on in, Garcelle. We're so excited. And it was like, who's here today? That was pretty much how it was. And in a way, I get the sense of there was a lot of they weren't sure who was staying. There was a lot of different people in the chair. So I get that at the same time for me if someone comes into my home i'm always welcoming of course of course absolutely can we get specific about some of these interactions though i mean i i guess multiple women on the on on the panel were just sort of you know terse for lack of a better word it's a good word and it feels i it's really just, I think my, I think I was just pretty agape

when I was reading this. Like, oh my gosh. But I guess it's no surprise to someone like Matt who really is well-versed in The View and knows like- Yeah, Matt, what's going on?

Well, did I ever, so, did I ever tell you this is our first time meeting? Garcelle, did I ever tell you about this time? No, this is so funny. I didn't know you for a long time.

Yeah, no, but you know what? Bowen and I went to The View one time. We did, we did. And we were in the audience just because. Actually, it was because, so I'm a huge Kelly Clarkson fan. And she was a guest on the show. So I guess a producer on the show was like,

we can get them tickets. People that listen to this podcast have heard us tell the story, but- Wait, Bowen, were you on SNL at the time? No. Well, it's funny because it was the day that i got the call that i was hired to be a writer and and but okay but it was it was it was a really tough day because matt and i had both auditioned had screen tested the same year they

bought it they brought us both in twice and that was the day we found out that they were offering bowen a job and not me so it was it was it was it was a lot and we were going through it was an emotional day yeah but we won the one thing that like broke the tension between us and like really made us laugh was was going to do it was going to the view and they did this dance contest like where all the women in the audience like did this goofy little dance and the the crowd motivator was like all right we're gonna have um the panelists are gonna say who won and they will and she goes whoop who won the dance contest and whoopi just goes i don't give a fuck about this it was both iconic and also filled in a lot about probably what the situation is there

yeah but it was very informative that That one moment was very informative. Totally, totally. I mean, we screamed laughing. That is hilarious. And I'm sorry you didn't get it. Oh, that's okay. I'm doing just fine. I know you are.

He really is. He really is. I know you are. This story, I'm going to sidebar a little bit. I used to model with Cameron Diaz. And Cameron Diaz, yeah, in LA. We used to model together. Diaz Yeah, in LA We used to model together And she's the greatest girl

And I remember we used to model with this other girl named Elizabeth And Elizabeth had an audition for What's the first movie Cameron Diaz did? Was it The Mask? The Mask The Mask, maybe The Mask, yeah, yeah, yeah So they were supposed to hang out And Elizabeth said to Cameron The mask? The mask. Or the mask. The mask, maybe. The mask, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

So they were supposed to hang out, and Elizabeth said to Cameron, come with me, and then we'll hang out right after. Wait! Oh, my God. I've heard this story. Yes.

And the casting director goes, are you reading for this? And Cameron goes, no, I'm just with her. And they're like, no, you need to read with her. And then Cameron becomes a big star. Yeah.

But you sort of have that same story too, where you were tagging along with a friend who was playing an extra, who was doing background work. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And then that sort of like gave you the bug. Yeah. Yeah, that totally gave me the bug. I didn't know what an extra was.

And he's like, it's $75 a day. And I was like, count me in. That was big money. And this was in Miami. And so I did, it was an orange juice commercial. And on the second day, I had the courage to go up to one of the principal actors and it was really pretty black girl. And I said, Hey, I want to do what you're doing. And she like Whoopi said, I don't give a fuck. And so I found out who her um her age agency wise was marie and so i borrowed my mom's car driving to fort lauderdale i stopped at a red light i put my head out the window to check my

makeup i decided that i needed lip gloss i'm in my purse now looking for lip gloss a hand comes in the car scares the shit out of me and it's a card it's the woman who was in the traffic light behind me and she's like you should be a model and when i look at the card it's the agency i was going to without an appointment unbelievable crazy yeah that is a sign that's one of those stories though that like you don't really get anymore in the business now it's like people just discover people through like you know social media which is great but there is there's something like so like legendary about something like that and i never i've known about this story like from hearing in the book and from seeing your interviews but i still it just still

like gives me a little like me and i lived it yeah it so crazy. You can't make that up. It's so funny too because like I remember when I was younger and I would read stories about like, you know, so-and-so was discovered on the street.

I remember when I moved to New York at 18, Bone and I went to NYU and so we both moved to New York at 18. Very similar, very similar age to you. And it really is

when you talk about like, you know, New York City is like, it's the most exciting city in the world. But when you talk about like you know new york city is like it's the most exciting city in the world but when you first get there it is so lonely and so crazy because everyone knows exactly where they're going and what they're doing yeah so i remember like i said to myself you know what i should just do walk the streets because you can get discovered so i would go out there and like it was like the first week of nyu and i would just go walk around like trying to look like i was somebody or going somewhere and someone did stop

me and they said bowen have i ever told you this i don't know this is the first time i hear you and of course did i ever tell you this no um yeah um but i'm walking on the street and someone did come up to me and was like i'm not kidding you they were like have you ever thought of modeling and i was like literally in the back of my head i was like it's happening i did it yeah it's happening to me i've been in new york for less than a week and i'm being asked to be a high fashion model so i take the guy's card and obviously it's one of those like scams or just like to get like little twink twinkie boys on roofs and take their shirts off so i did i did unfortunately like take some like creepy photos on a roof when i was 18 so not as glamorous as your story but i also don't know where those photos are oh my god we have to find those photos yeah please let me get my people on it

we all start somewhere. Absolutely. That's the lesson. I have to say, Bowen, I was so excited to see you. And I told you this when, you know, the night before party. The iceberg is the funniest thing I have seen. Thank you, Garcelle. I mean, I was like, who is this guy? Oh.

Over and over again. That's so sweet. And I will say, I was there with Aidy Bryant and Vanessa Bayer, Matt's co-star in this upcoming Showtime show. But the three of us were kind of like walking around, kind of like rolling our eyes, going, oh, whatever. And there were a lot of A-list stars in there, by the way. There really were. And I just want to say that the three of us were the most excited and starstruck to see you. And Lisa was the one. Lisa, it was so wonderful.

Oh, we were so excited. We like stopped. We were like telling her, we were like, we're so on your side and all of the different conflicts. It was the height of hashtag team Grussell. I mean,

it was, it was, I really, I remember they, they all texted me after that because, and I'm telling you like on the set of my new show, which I'm on a show with Molly Shannon and Vanessa Bayer. We all, yeah, number one yeah number one and wait till you wait

till you see her in this um but like so they all jam about housewives all the time and everyone is team garcelle obviously how could you not be but before we ask about the culture that made you say culture was for you i did just want to ask about about the experience of being on the show in that second season because i remember like there there were more and more difficult conversations that happened i think your second year than your first year and you talk in the book about um you know your exchange with kyle who i've always liked kyle on the show and really was shocked when she when she pulled that stuff on the reunion um when she accused you of not paying the charity um and then when you had that conversation with her that sit down i do actually

think it changed the show so much for the better because that type of conversation really needed to be had and then as the season progressed i actually thought that while a lot of those conversations were successful some of them i felt i felt like i'm specifically thinking about the scene where you all were at dinner i think it was you on were on a trip and you and they ended up sort of like really coming down on you to the point where you sort of broke down a little bit because they they weren't taking you um they weren't believing you when you said you felt like an other in the group. And I felt, and this is something

that I think I talked with you, Bowen, about too, that the show kind of framed it as like, and we finally got to know who Garcelle was more in that moment. But also part of me felt like, wow, you really needed to break this woman down at this dinner for you to understand even a little bit. And it did feel a little vulture-ish to me.

Like they were waiting to break you down in that moment. Yeah. And we know that certain women on the show play certain roles. You know, I love Lisa Rinna. I love watching her as a character on television, but sometimes I feel like it maybe goes a little far. And I felt like that was one instance. a character on television but sometimes i feel like it maybe goes a little far um and i felt like that was one that was one instance and i wondered if you could speak to that outside of

being edited on the show to say a certain thing yeah yeah yeah no you know that was really hard for me and when i kept on saying that i felt sort of like other it's because i truly felt that way i didn't of course you like anyone really reached out. If we're supposed to be real friends, we weren't reaching out outside of the show. I felt like when I spoke, I wasn't being heard. And I felt like I wasn't also sometimes being seen. So it just kept on building up and building up and building up.

And you're right. A lot of people were like, it's a shame you had to break down for them to actually see you and get to know you but at the same time i feel like that helped me too it's okay because um it allowed me to let them see me be vulnerable which i think which is crazy that i needed to do that but i felt like it did make me closer to some of them yeah but it's a it's a tough show i mean it's the hardest job i've ever had honestly the only really it's me it's not a character i can't find it people really care and are invested and um and what's hard for me is connecting with someone and then but not trusting it a hundred percent right you, that's what's really hard. It's like, yeah, I can be friends with them, but

do I trust them? Yeah. And, you know, I struck a great friendship with Sutton and Kyle. And I love that Kyle was open enough to hear me and have that conversation. I really do.

Because what I was trying to say is, and I say this in the book the fact that she knew how to get in touch with me yeah and um you know we all chipped in to get 5 000 masks when you couldn't get masks anywhere for a hospital and so we all paid for that so like why wouldn't i pay for this charity and uh but so you're good for five thousand dollars i mean come on what the hell yeah and so um but when spoke to her, I felt like she really got it. We didn't have to labor it, but being on the show, if you have a diverse, you know, housewife,

how are you not going to have diverse conversations? Right. You know what I mean? And I don't think they've ever really had to have those type of conversations until i came along and there was a different um tone to the conversations you were having compared to and i i happen to be a fan of both styles but crystal was having very sort of um i would say not explosive but just, just very to the point. She was very to the point. I feel like your sort of style and approach is to offer some grace and for, and some latitude for people to realize, you know, their actions,

but, but to also, absolutely. But then to also bring your vulnerability into it is, is very brave. And I will say something that really stayed with me from the reunion this past season was, you know, I don't know where things stayed with me from the reunion this past season was, you know,

I don't know where things stand with you and Lisa now, but I think run out, but like you and Renna sort of had this pretty intense exchange where you were really like holding your own against her. She was really coming after you and you, you killed it, but you were, I mean,

you were, you were very solid and steady the whole time. And then she finally, you know, has that moment where she crosses over, sits next to you. And and it's like can we please just move on from this and there's that pause and i know if i don't know if it's the editing or what but the way there's that pause and then the way you you just look into her eyes and say you got it i was like wow what like what a beautiful moment of classiness and of grace and Forgiveness. You talk about it in the book.

Thank you. I mean, you know, I've known Rinna for 20 years. You know what I mean? And I think a little bit of her has changed with the show. But at the same time, I was willing to say, okay, let's really go for this. And I can't wait for you to see this new season. I'm excited. I mean said i said from the beginning when they when you first had the scene with shuri and all those ladies i was like where's that show and so now

now to have shuri on the cast i wonder did that make it so much more fun or how did it how did it change the dynamic for you no it was great and it's so funny because she comes in and she goes did you call for backup i can already hear that line in the trailer exactly and uh it's been great i mean she comes in like it may be you know in like a episode eight or whatever um but yeah it's just nice not to be the only one in the room. It's nice to have someone that I know has my back, you know? And it's been fun. And every now and then, more now than then, she will look at me and she goes, girl, what'd you get me into?

I know. She'll look at me and she'll go, what the hell? Was Aspen one of those times? Oh, yeah. She had no idea. That was her first trip. And she was like, I can't. I just can't.

It sounds like that will go down in history, this upcoming Aspen trip. Yeah. For sure. We'll leave it at that. That was probably my last. Oh, my God. With the town of Aspen? Not the town of Aspen, really.

But, you know, it was just a lot. I mean, in three days, I can't... We did so much. Oh, I see. Of course. It's a very... A lot happened. Yes.

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that made you when you look back you oh for me it's a couple of things i think you know culture for me started when i when i heard r&b music my soul i would go visit my my cousins in dorchester massachusetts yes and that's the first time i heard heard r&b and i was like what is that because obviously i heard you know haitian music and compa and salsa and all that stuff but to hear R&B I was like what is that who is singing and it just it was everything to me and then from there I would have to say like TV shows like um like good times that was mmm I didn't see us like, you know, on TV. So that was it. And then I would say I would jump to Clueless. Clueless. That was culture.

That was culture. Yes, yes. That was Rich Kids. That was, you know, that was big for me. I hate to say that. You know what's funny? The only, you are our second housewife we've had on. Dr. Wendy Osefo was the first.

And she said clueless. She said clueless. She did. She said clueless. What? Yeah. Yeah. She also wasn't, she's a Nigerian immigrant.

And she said that that was like, she had like, especially seeing like Dion. What? Yes, Dion was everything. Everybody wanted Dion. All the girls wanted Dion. Let's see what else. Oh, my God. From there, I would say, would Thelma and Louise be culture?

Oh, my God, absolutely. Would Thelma and Louise be culture? That's when I discovered my husband in my head, Brad Pitt. He was jumping on the bed shirtless. Yes. I mean, I think that was the first time that I got moist. I mean, in many ways, same. I did things to my body I didn't know were possible.

It really is such a visceral sex appeal. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean. But even now, we just saw him in The Lost City. Oh, I want to see that. Oh, he's in it. I'm in it for two seconds. You're in it. But, um, I'm just, just for a scene.

Barely. So what? So what? So what? It was fun. We, we, we, we, I, we shot in the DR and it was lovely. It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't Haiti. I know, but it was just what a beautiful part of the world.

Um. Who did you shoot with? I shot with Sandy Bullock and your co-star Channing Tatum. I'm so sorry. Sandy? We're on Sandy terms. She's in the phone as Sandy. Sandy B. But then it was also with Channing Tatum,

your co-star. Oh my God, Channing Tatum. Yes. So White House down. I go to shoot. I'm in the trailer. I come out of the trailer and Channing is walking towards me. I swear to God, it was slow motion. Yeah. And I could not believe somebody was that fine. I could not believe.

He's incredibly, incredibly handsome. And so nice. So, so wonderful. Yeah. Really great guy. But I think I had that same sensory experience too. No, but in terms of like, it felt so like, like that is a movie star. Like the air in the room just like changes.

That is a movie star. You know. I remember the first time I saw Channing Tatum in Coach Carter. And I was like, absolutely. Coach Carter, he was, he was literally one of the high school. It's like a basketball movie. Yeah, if I know the movie, I didn't even realize he was in it. It was like, I think the only other thing he had done or was going to do was like step up came like maybe right after that.

And I was like, but who is that? I mean, he is, he's just so physically perfect that it's that it's jarring and yeah i guess like the only other person on screen that really cut through like that might be like brad from way back in in this movie it's channing and brad sort of doing like a few scenes together sharing the frame and you go where do i look you know you're like these two people who kind of just like are playing off of each other, like physically in a way, like one, like they both look like each other. Do you know what I mean?

Right, right. I can't wait to see. I'm going to watch it this weekend. Especially when you're in it. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Brad is like an awakening for so many people. I hadn't seen Fight Club.

I hadn't seen Thelma and Louise. I came in late on the Brad train. Oh, okay. But he was eating food. He was like eating, stepping his face in every scene. And I was like, he can make that, he can make eating look sexy.

Yeah. Great. Some people got it. I want to ask, so when you said R&B music, who were your favorite artists? Oh my God. Back in the day for me,

it was my first concert was Teddy Pendergrass because my sister did that. Teddy Pendergrass. Teddy Pendergrass. Everybody from like the Jackson 5 to Marvin Gaye to, I mean, there's so many. And this is not R&B. One of my favorite songs is Stairway to Heaven.

Oh, that's a hard left. I know that's a hard left. I'm a complex girl. Absolutely. You contain multitudes. Yeah. I similarly, like for some reason like i was i'm a white kid from long island but i started listening to like exclusively like late 90s r&b

so i looked i i was recently home and i found like a cd jacket and it was like brandy monica mariah when she put out the butterfly album like lauren hilleducation of lauren hill was the best album ever ever we just had the grammys and i was like i was i was thinking to myself like every that's all that's great work but then where are the formative albums you know what i mean like mis-education that was like a formative album so when you said r&b i just thought of my own like awakening with that but look at how bruno mars like how many awards he won last night that at the grammys that you know it goes to show you that there's still people that love because i feel like he's sort of old school r&b he's a throwback yeah and and john baptiste too just like absolutely so what what a talented multi-talent i didn't realize he was doing all

that me neither i didn't either blown away and i started following him you know as soon as i finished watching the show and i'm obsessed talk about a gorgeous man too oh my god he he is stunning too and it's so funny because like you see you forget that these guys are like band leaders on late night shows like quest love winning the oscar john betty sweeping the grammys and they're literally like on colbert and fallon just killing it every night and i thought to myself like that has to be a demanding around the clock job i would imagine because you're like musical directing these huge shows and then they also have time to create these brilliant works right i mean just so cool bravo bravo bravo all around for sure absolute bravo bravo bravo all around

oh no i didn't even realize i didn't even oh god that's funny have you ever done that or now it's like you don't you you know, not to work. Apparently. How is Denise? I think she's good. We text. We haven't seen each other. She's good. Yeah.

Um, I think she wanted to come back, but I think that door is closed now. Oh, I remember when you went on watch what happens live and said that. I imagine that you have so many concentric circles of friends, but you write about this in the book in a way that feels great like you have your inner circle of friends that you are confidants with and then they're like oh you call them the front row people yeah and then there's some people get relegated relegated to the nosebleeds yes sometimes you gotta put them up there if they if they're not living up to their you know front row status but, my front row is everything. We don't have to talk every day, but when we need each other, we are there and we know who we are. And they uplift, they check you if they need to. I mean, it's what you want in friends. You don't

want friends that are just going to say, yes, you're amazing every day. That's not real. So I live in the front row. That's great. I don't take that for granted in my life at all like i i look around and i go wow i'm so lucky to have these people who i get to just be honest with me and not not not not everybody necessarily has that right right i don't know yeah especially in this business that we're all in you know you you want to know who's really there for you absolutely yeah i think that's also a reason why it's really important to keep those people that have been with you for a long time like you know i think bowen said this the other day i think we've been friends for 14 years 14 like and i it's it's just so funny because like so life has so many ups and downs and changes but i still feel

like i can say anything to bowen and i think he can say anything to me and i would get nervous if i felt like i couldn't tell my friend the truth exactly exactly you know they may not like it sometimes but i think that's what being friends is you know it's about yeah yeah yeah i wanted to ask about like the the relationship with you and everyone on the real too because the reason why it's my favorite panel show is because it not to like you're not just saying that that's no no no no he means that i watch it i well i don't watch it live every day but i always go on youtube and it's always all over my landing page because i really do genuinely think you guys talk about important shit like i, I think that you talk about life things

and I love how emotional the panel gets and it feels like it really walks the walk of being the real because, you know, I just think everyone on the show is such a star and you have really filled it out in such a great way. But I've been such a fan of Adrienne's for so long. I remember the first time I saw Lonnie love on star search. I,

I'm not even kidding. I said, she's a star. And when she didn't win, I was like, this show is fucked up. Um, and then,

you know, Jeannie as well. I'm such a fan. And so not only do I like everyone individually, but it's the chemistry together. That is not just handed to, to a panel. It's been so great. I mean, I had been on the show before handed to no you know what it's been so great i mean i had been

on the show before yeah um you know promoting whatever it is that i was promoting but it's another thing to see them every day and especially now that we're in person i mean we can talk i mean sometimes they have to shut us up between commercial breaks so we can come back you know because we just have although we're all women of color we have so many different like our lifestyles are different oh yeah about and it's really great that there's no judgment you can just say how you feel and we accept it even if we don't agree yeah there's genuine disagreement too without feeling nervous like when i watch the view i actually had to stop because i feel nervous like especially when megan was there i would always feel

nervous like it made me anxious to watch and i didn't need more social anxiety in my life so but when i watched the real it's it's offering perspective and there's real listening happening yes that's a really good point. Thank you for saying that. Thank you. I hope it doesn't go away. What's the story? I don't know.

It started off as a rumor we haven't heard yet and we end at the end of this month. So, you know, hopefully. Readers, watch The Real. You got to watch The Real. I feel like it's filling this hole that, not to invoke this, but I feel like it's it's filling this hole that um not to not to invoke this but i feel like i feel like you all talk about health which in a very like honest way that like i think

hasn't been talked about since like oprah like i think oprah was the was like kind of the last daytime person to like talk about like specifically like women's health in a way that was just like necessary yeah and i feel like the four of you kind of are able to hit on that in a very honest way. And the four of you are very open about what each person is going through. No, I love that too. And I feel like we can also talk about our community better than anybody else

because we're all living it, which is really great. So I do love that. I love that we talk about mental health. We talk about women's issues. We talk about everything and we have fun doing it. Today, actually, when I left, Lonnie had switched her wig around and she was ridiculous it was hilarious lani is just one of the funniest people she's got it and and not to not to bring up my own work again but i do remember one of the first like people to compliment me on the iceberg

yeah was lani admired was lani lani lani tweeted it like was just shouting me on the iceberg yeah was Lonnie was Lonnie Lonnie tweeted it like was just shouting it from the rooftops on Twitter just being like that was Bowen Yang wow and I was like Lonnie Lonnie Love just saw that oh my god like I just I freaked out I think I was the first to screenshot that and send it to you because yes peek behind the curtain I was actually sitting here on this couch recovering from a rhinoplasty that I needed to have so I'm like literally it wasn't enough that I didn't get I had like a full face bandage

watching Bowen slay on television and I was just like I was so proud I can't even cry or smile or laugh because it would hurt but I then went on Twitter just to see what everyone was saying and Lonnie Love had popped all the way off about the iceberg it was so good

it was so good but she's so good about supporting people like that love that that's important yeah I can we can totally tell that she's just like she's real she's on the real yeah the real. Yeah.

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get your podcasts shall we uh move to i don't think so honey let's do it let's do it okay so this is sort of you're never gonna believe, but an iconic segment of the podcast where we take 60 seconds to absolutely rant, drag, rave about a particular subject in pop culture that, you know, deserves it. And unfortunately, that time is now. So sorry in advance to the topics that we discuss. We iconically did not do a topical episode last week. We had a banked episode, so we did not get to touch on what might be one of the biggest pop culture events in recent history. And I have an I Don't Think So, Honey

that may disappoint our readers even more because I'm going to talk about the evening, but not that. I see. Okay, this is perfect prefacing. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. This time starts now i don't think so honey people dragging amy schumer for that bit with kirsten dunst and jesse clements

so she asked kirsten dunst to get up because she thought she was a seat filler so she could like flirt with jesse clements and people on twitter actually thought she was being disrespectful to kirsten dunst you guys i don't think so honey it's called humor it's called jokes i understand we had all just been through a shared traumatic moment watching what happened unfold but we can't lose our sense of humor amy schumer is the host of the show everything she does on camera is a planned bit there are no moments of riffing well as you know that's probably not true but with the host that's not how it works i don't think so honey also people are not giving kirsten

dunst the credit just because she played that expertly and made you think she was annoyed doesn't mean she wasn't in on it she's an amazing actress and yet again five seconds perfectly underplaying something and not getting the credit for it i don't think so honey readers do better and that's one minute and because because if we don't know that's not a bit we don't deserve to watch tv right come on who doesn't who doesn't who doesn't she had to like get on twitter and be like guys i knew it was ken Dunst. It was a bitch she was in on. I would never disrespect the queen like that. Come on. Come on.

Come on. She's the damn host. It's going to be produced. There have been meetings about every single thing she's going to do on that show. Who knows who's sitting in what seats? They have the whole seating chart and the whole thing. Yeah.

Yeah. And then when she said to Jesse, I'm such a fan of your work, she's like, who are you here with? And he was like, my wife. And she she was like you're married to that seed filler i just thought the whole thing was great and then to go online and have people ruin it by wasting their breath with their takes about how it was disrespectful i think people have too many takes that's my note for the oscars of it all is too many takes everyone needs to just relax relax

relax you know what i think it was that you know the the critical mass of like the the slap discourse had been reached yeah and i think people were looking for other things to like talk about yeah that's a good point that might have been it yeah yeah it hit the ceiling and they were like what do i do with all this energy the answer was be what was being reckless with it. Okay, so that's one to chew on for everyone at home. Bowen Yang, do you have it prepared? I don't think so, honey.

I do, I do. I'd love to hear that. One of my favorite things to hear. All right, Bowen Yang, this is your, I don't think so, honey, your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Jared Leto being still the worst coworker in Hollywood. There are these stories coming out now about him on the Morbius set taking 20 minutes to pee,

or not even 20 minutes, but more than 20 minutes having to be wheeled out in a wheelchair. It has nothing to do with his character. His character is not in a wheelchair in this movie, or is not physically, you know, incapable of walking himself to the restroom this is another sort of pseudo method bullshit thing that he's putting his entire set through and now there's reports of him aspiring to be a pedophile to play a pedophile

and then going method with that honey how do you think that's gonna go how do you think that's gonna go Jared Leto we've gotta end this you're a 50 year old man have some respect for yourself have some respect for go how do you think that's gonna go jared leto we've gotta end this 15 seconds you're a 50 year old man have some respect for yourself have some respect for your co-workers you you do not stand with iotsy you do not stand with sag you do not say dga you're an anti-union man if you are literally running the clock and making people's days worse and that's one minute when i heard

anne hathaway say she felt like she had never even met him until the red carpet. How about that? How about that? They probably weren't together for four months. Have you ever had a co-star that was method, Garcelle? No, not really. I don't think so. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I had this one actor who I said I will never work with again. He was so difficult he would in the middle of the night to myself and the director about how he saw the scene at one point his character had to cook my character breakfast he wanted six different knives because the knives that they brought were not good enough and i was just like just act like you're cooking breakfast yeah absurd we all had you know our own parking uh spots and he would come in with his fancy car and he'd go i'm worried about my car here well everybody else's car is here oh that is not my own thing but it shouldn't be no i'm but but i I had to ask because you really have worked with so many. And when I say of the greats,

that means that you know some of them are going to be insane. Crazy. Crazy. Oh my god, okay. Have you ever gone fully method? Or not fully method, but just like, dip your toe in it? What's your process like? It depends on if it's a

dark character or someplace I have to go like really deep that's, you know, that I want to be safe with, I will then zone out, no phone, stay in my trailer, get in the zone, whether it's music or whatever. And then I'll walk out and I'll do it. And I won't want to sort of break character while the director's giving notes or while they're, you know, just so that I can stay in the zone. Sure. I think you played, you played a pretty villainous person in this,

in this short film that you and Lisa produced. Yes. Lalo's house. Yeah, that was deep. That was based on a true story of these two little girls that get kidnapped and they wake up and they're at a, in a convent and the convent is being run as a

sex trafficking ring. So I believe that lead nun who is in jail right now in Haiti, but I mean it's a global issue. It's not just a Haiti issue, but we saw it. Wow. That must have been really important. That was really great to hear about that and also great to hear about the acclaim that it received.

Yeah, it was incredible. And the director doing so well after it. Totally. That had to be very gratifying to be a the acclaim that it received. Yeah, it was incredible. And the director doing so well after it. Totally. That had to be very gratifying to be a part of. It was, actually. But not as gratifying as completing an I Don't Think So Honey. Oh, great. Now, Garcelle, do you have a topic in mind?

I do. Okay. In that case, this is Garcelle's I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now. Okay. I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now. Okay, I Don't Think So Honey. Cancel culture. Oh. Get a fucking grip.

We are human. We make mistakes. We're going to do stupid things. Give us, educate us. Don't cancel us. It's stupid. We're human beings. There you go.

Yes. Everybody, please lighten up. Laugh with them. Cheer them on. Cheer them them on all they want to do is make you laugh stop taking everything so personally don't hit anybody don't i'm so sick of it the cancel culture we're allowed to make mistakes who is the police the cancel police it. It's insane. I will not have it. Give me a time. 15 seconds. So stop

canceling people. We are all human beings. You've made mistakes. I've made mistakes. We're still going to continue making mistakes. Let's love one another. Let's show some grace. And if you can't take it, get out of the room. Stop following the person you stick up. And that's one minute. That's one minute.

There's this, I mean, at this point, we've reached a place where like, there's no nuance when anyone talks about like, you know, like wrongdoing. It's so, it's hard. And like, oh my gosh, especially after the Oscars, it's like, there's no way in for anybody anymore to even like have a shared reality

or shared like sense of like what even happened. Yeah, it's just, I think we all need to lighten up. Not everything is racist. Not everything is, you know, controversial. Let's just laugh a little bit. You know, let's have fun. You know, I, let's just laugh a little bit. You know, let's have some fun. You know, I would say recently, like when Jane Campion made her comment about Venus and Serena

and the internet really went in on her that day, I kind of felt like, and I always feel nervous saying this because I'm aware that I'm a white man and so I shouldn't speak for necessarily or like weigh in on how these black women are to feel about how that was said. saying this because I'm aware that I'm a white man and so I shouldn't speak for necessarily or like weigh in on how these black women are to feel about how that was said but to me that felt like a bad joke or an attempt at humor by someone someone who wasn't funny trying to make a joke and I was and and I think you know because the subjects of the joke were Venus and Serena people obviously

feel very protective over them and they jump to these certain conclusions. And also, you know, there's a world where they're correct, but also there's a world where they're not. And it almost feels like in that instance, and then with everything that happened with Will Smith, I keep thinking, because in the days that followed the slap, I kept feeling worse and worse about it. And I realized the reason I kept feeling worse and worse about it was the discourse kept kind of sinking. I know. I know.

And I feel like I agree with you with Jane Champion. First of all, just think about it. This woman just won a big award. She got up there. She's not a comedian. She tried to tell a joke. And she met well. No, I think she was just saying like,

we're strong. We're going up against men. I go up against men all the time. The girls don't go up against men as tennis players. Exactly. They go up against men, maybe in business. So it's just,

everybody is so uptight and nitpicking at everything. And we, and Matt and I can say, cause we were at the critics choice awards where that happened. All parties, all parties involved at the after party were twirling we're twirling no one was having a blast like we saw all parties involved truly getting their life at the netflix after party and then you go online and everyone was so upset for them and at them and it was like wait have you actually considered how this person actually feels about it or are we just assigning them right a response an emotional response the nerves maybe she was nervous she just want like yeah it was just it was just a bad joke yeah it didn't you know what i mean she's not a comedian that's not what she does right there you go agreed well this was truly such a pleasure and garcelle thank you so much

for gracing us with your presence on our humble podcast i'm so happy to i was so happy you guys are fantastic and i have a quick favor before we wrap, but I'll let you wrap. Well, I was just going to mention, I would be, I would be remiss if I didn't remind everyone at home that love me as I am Garcelle's this incredible book is out on April 12th. You can pre-order it now. I think we're putting the episode out so that we can say we had you first before you start hitting the circuit. But we have read it. We loved it. There's lots of, you know,

you know, you really, you've been through so much and risen above so much and you've got a lot of really great nuggets in here and stuff that I would write down next to Brene Brown's shit any day, Garcelle.

That says a lot. And Housewives of Beverly Hills is back on May 11th. Very exciting and much more to come, I guess. Anything else you want to let people know about? Much more to come. Much more to come. Yeah.

We end every episode with a song? We end every episode with a song. What's the song tonight? We always decide in the moment. Oh. Girl, you better watch out. guys some guys are only about that thing so listen to that i love it you can go copy the album Miseducation of Lauren Hill released in 1999

and it's in stores now if there are still record stores. Bye. Bye. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day.

Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the I heart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast presented by capital one, founding partner of I heart women's sports on Thanksgiving day,

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We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've

ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.