Last Podcast On The Left - Best of: Cannibalism

Episode Date: November 28, 2020

It's the day after Thanksgiving, and each of us are currently in a tryptophan-induced coma. So instead of a regular episode, today we bring you a Thanksgiving-inspired "Best Of" episode featuring the gnarliest bits of cannibalism we've ever described on the show.We'll be back to normal next week but today is WHEN THE CANNIBALISM STARTED.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0

There's no place to escape to this is the last talk on the left That's when the cannibalism started What's nice about this holiday is that you can really sit and think about like you know While you do got that big plate of food in front of y'all the different types depending on whether or not if you're lucky enough to Have a plate of food during this time period if you're lucky enough to have a belly filled I said also imagine just fucking eating all that and then just like looking over and just to see in just like a pile of like severed cocks Thanksgiving dinner and then look over at your uncle and see him as a pile of cocks not to be too like serial killer hack joke about it

But imagine being Jeffrey Dahmer at some point You know during his berserker mode There was a Thanksgiving where he maybe went out with some co-workers or something I was in Ohio or he went to Mad Planet and probably they probably had like a Thanksgiving Well, you know some bars like you know how they'll have a Thanksgiving There was a strip club in Lubbock called players that used to have a hot dog buffet. Yeah I was just gonna say this they bring out the boiled hot dogs Eat to your puke, but Jeffrey Dahmer at some point probably did have a full Thanksgiving dinner with a bunch of his other weird creeps

And then went back to his apartment to see all of this for all this human meat that he's supposed to eat And he knows I shouldn't have instead of going out to eat. I probably should have had leftovers Right because he has all of those severed penises. This is the last podcast on the left everyone I am Ben with Marcus and Henry. This is a best-of episode. Why did Henry Marcus? And I mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer because today's episode in honor of Thanksgiving The day that we are thankful and we get to be fed and fed and fed and fed and fed We are gonna be talking about cannibalism. Oh, yeah And all of the great times we have discussed cannibalism on this show from the Donner party to Jeffrey Dahmer and everyone in between

Yum-yum-yum. It's all about being hungry. Hungry enough to eat you fellow man or or simply just curious Just taste it. Yeah, just Mary. Yeah, I know for this Thanksgiving me and Carolina We're having a solo one at the house. We're not having Thanksgiving. We're having winesgiving. Come on Carolina should get those matching big glasses that fit one whole bottle of wine So that's what I do with my 25 ounces of Bud Light. This is one bear No Marcus in all seriousness you and Carolina need to eat. Yeah, we're gonna eat We're gonna yeah, we got we got we're gonna cook it. We're gonna have a cooking day Just your husband and weight of a hundred and thirteen pounds

We got husband and wife cooking day with the winesgiving We're like literally doing as small as possible, but you know, I'm excited to do this year. I want to do stuffed shells I want to do full Italian with it. I'm gonna have a stuffed shells Nothing says Thanksgiving like stuffed shells. All right, everyone. Enjoy this episode of cannibalism Oh Just chop top cut So people throughout history have just been enjoying consuming other people's body parts Yeah, and now it's just the most reviled thing that you can do was it always considered reviled

I mean, obviously it was a point of victory and then but what about Civilizations that were starving. I mean they have to eat other people for good reasons obviously and there were places They were like there was one tradition that if they were a mighty warrior had died You ate his body out of pity and consideration for him So there was a lot of like people that eat if their chief died they would eat him or if like a big thing It's like if your children's die of like if your children die of like natural causes like way way early like they would eat the children I respect that sounds very good. I imagine children meet falls right off the bone Apparently right I got really into researching what the human meat tasted like because a lot of guys won't

You know most of our reports of what human meat tastes like comes from like Dommer and like these people but like oh you can't you got to take their stuff with a grain of salt Yeah, daughter was from Wisconsin. He put ketchup on everything. Oh, yeah Yeah, you put butter all over the bun before eating it and the men's palette was just ruined by years at that chocolate fact You can't get any of the finer hints, but a Sociologist in the wrote this book called Jungle Laws where it's like he traveled with this African tribe and watched it cannibalism ritual and then proceeded to order a Very recently dead cadaver. This is in Paris. Okay, and roasted it on a spit and ate it

And he said that you could compare it to really really good veal Yeah, I know we've heard pork Pork is just like the the reason why he compares it to veal's because it's the way it's cooked when human meat is cooked It turns a gray color like lamb or veal does and then it has that sort of a little bit of a gamey or mealier taste Yeah, but smells like fucking delicious cooked Rump roast steak. It sounds like it'd be great with a curry. Yeah, that would human curry sounds really powerful So this guy was in France. He got a cadaver. This was in like the year 1909. We're barely what you're cooking there Hey, come on over for the barbecue come over. It's fucking human dick. You know what? That's great

You know what buddy? I'm gonna watch the Saints game at my place You know what you guys just I mean in just in that little exchange you reference like three cannibal stories that I have pulled up We're gonna do it. Yeah. Yeah, we're trying this all together. Oh, yeah Oh, no no no no like people at home and listen to this podcast you think that this is all just random Mm-hmm. We sit we plan we weave together a story for you so that you can be properly entertained That's right. So do we want to get into more of this wonderful sociologist's work? Thank you, Louie apparently and also that Baby meat on a human baby is so tender

It would be you could compare it to the same texture as fish that if you ate a baby's succulent ass. Oh Yeah, absolutely, but that's where you want to chew on his arms. Yeah, I mean that's what I would do I would suck its brain out of its skull. You can do that with a straw It's like a soft boiled egg where he just sat I saw the top and then he's really like crack up the brains Could have come put some raw garlic in there and just right right Yeah Dahmer started giving him all kinds of weird details

He said that what he used to cook them with he used vegetables mushrooms onions And they said that during the month before they caught him that was the only meat that he ate Yeah, and he said a lot of things it's just so and then I still love Patrick Kennedy just being mystified Yeah, it's just like you had a lot of lovers There's lovers walking around and I see some time in Milwaukee that I know got fucked by Jeffrey Dahmer But he didn't kill him because they only kill the ones that he thought were really truly the most beautiful That's he said he said he only ate the ones that were truly beautiful to him Yeah, and he only killed and kept parts of the ones that he thought were as in his eyes the perfect specimen of a man

Yes, because that way like the other thing we talked about too is that on the search for the ultimate orgasm, you know And it's like all this other shit. Yes, speaking of which he he ejaculated in the torn open rib cages He draped himself with the bloody entrails It's really got creative. Yeah I've never had so good at I guess the only thing I could really put it is eating Chinese food alone That's a good time me Covered in sauce, you know, no shirt on it's pretty good. I mean just me watching aqua teen just smoking a blunt eating Chinese food That's the only thing I could say is

Equivalent to Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, these bodies Dahmer's living this whole other like 80s sci-fi movie just covered in human entrails With his arms raised and I'm sure yeah, yeah, we're and also working at the chocolate factory Yes, some of these guys got improv troops and they got stuff going on the side like a band, you know I asked John for Jeffrey when he does that. He's just like, huh, I occupy myself. Yeah, I stay busy I you I promise you that yeah crafts I like craft crafts and he costumes Miriam blood all over his face and sort of a Native American pattern just speaking to himself in the bathroom mirror Oh, what a time he started this is again Patrick Kennedy

He started saving the heads a lot of times he said he pulled out the heads You know because there were you trying to do is try if there was a while Well, he was trying to prevent himself from killing. Yeah, so he'd use his trophies. Yeah, and so it's like, you know We found seven heads in the refrigerator. He'd pull them out talk to him stick his dick in their mouth We've had a couple of penises. He just suck on you know, he said he do this to try to satisfy himself So you wouldn't have to keep going out and killing people where I said Jeff Why did you just go get a boyfriend? Why the fuck you have to kill everybody and then you look at Jeffrey Dahmer into his blue Eyes, you didn't see the fucking devil. You know what I'm saying? You saw at least I saw a pathetic human being

Who so hedonistically selfish that all they get think about was the pursuit of his own sexual pleasures And this is why in Nutra system doesn't work, you know, you can't have a drink to substitute a meal That's right. You can't have a shake for a steak doesn't work You can't have a fake penis or a severed human penis for a human penis Get some severed human and penises and pill forms will be able to cure the serial killers So the trial comes up this trial. They said that his court appearances. They had the air of a movie premiere They was it was huge said I had the biggest security measures ever seen in a US courtroom They swept it for bombs daily with sniffer dogs

There was an eight-foot wall a bulletproof glass We went out there now we we deputized the state's biggest pigs and we put we and we put them all on the outside there problem Is that guys kept killing the pigs in order to make sausages barbecue? Yeah, barbecue detective They were calling them well I know anyone out there who was I guess at any age in which you actually paid attention to shit in 1992 You saw this everywhere every day you saw Derek. I was talking to you know one of my assistants here He was born in like 89 And he had no idea what Jeffrey Dahmer looked like and that fucking mystified me

I couldn't believe that someone could look like they're so huge to you know I mean like the time show was making fun of him SNL was making fun of him and like all this stuff was happening He became him. He became ways. We know that's why he's I mean it's important to the serial killer Fucking the oeuvre is that he is he's the one. Yeah. Yeah, he's the number one killer. Everyone's heard of Jeffrey Dahmer Yes, one point or another. He did a lot of stuff to earn the reputation. Oh, he's the jack of all trades I mean you look at someone like Michael Jordan or you know LeBron James You got a rebound you got a pass you got a shoot and you got to win the big game Yeah, and he did everything. Yeah, you gotta win in the postseason. He made human zombies. He raped. He killed he ate

He did everything. He did everything every single thing. Yeah, and he of course. He didn't have sex with a woman Yeah, we never had sex you did not if you want to you know go through some trials He should try getting married. Yeah See if he can survive getting married easy to kill your boyfriend, but try being married for ten years To be honest, I don't know many Killers like tell me if I'm wrong that really switched back and forth between like men and women Most of them do one or the other well Ramirez Ramirez was just a slash-and-go kind of guy. Yeah

Well, you know he would kill the husband in order to get to the woman like that was that was his objective was the woman The same thing like you know and John Wayne Gacy was all about little boys because it was hiding his sexuality I think that's what makes Chick-A-Tello Specifically so fucked up and dangerous is the fact that he was just about the violence. Yeah Yeah, it's got nothing to do with him It's got nothing to do with the sex at all. No and speaking of the violence Let's get into what he actually did to the victims. He ripped open their stomachs He sliced off their sexual organs in most cases. He would slice off penises

testicles and Nipples and then he would chew on them. He would never eat them. He'd never swallow But then a big deal when his confession when he was saying he was like I do not eat. I'm not a cannibal I just like to chew on Yeah, he said his main obsession was the uterus. Yeah, yeah, main obsession was the uterus and he said I did not want to bite them So much as chew them. They were beautiful and elastic. They got to get wrigglies over there You got to get some good spearmint gum save some lives with the gum shortage because it also it's him following around like some little girl He's just like I hope them to like the ones that taste like watermelon

Yeah, he's looking for that apple-apple-strawberry combination. It's difficult to find in a human being. Yeah, cuz there's not as much of a wrigglies Is there they're more of a gusher, right? That's right. Yeah, that good clean feeling that you get from orbits or eating someone's liver Another thing that we that he would do to all of his or almost all of his victims is that he would cut out their eyes That he would at the very least stab the eyes either around the eyes or specifically in the eyes or cut them out completely because it was said there was a superstition that The a dead person's last images were burned on their retinas And he believed that his image was burned on their retinas and who knows if that was, you know

Some crazy thing that he thought maybe he'd get caught through some soviet super magic or Or if he just was superstitious about it How often brutal murder happens in Russia They like they had to make this rule to stop it of just being like, you know It's like you got to stop murdering because the eye that takes pictures of your face So just you know make sure do not do that, huh? Feel like you put these we need to cut it down because we We literally cannot keep together our children's choir. They keep getting more So hard, right? That's what's so sad

Well, it was actually the eyes that that was able That's what made investigators notice that this guy wasn't just murdering in rostov That he was murdering all around the uh, I guess it would be the western soviet union Yeah, the eyes is what links it all together. Did he take the eyes out before he murdered him or was it a post-mortem thing? Well, that's the big thing about chickatillo is that as he start as he killed more and more His killing procedures became more and more surgical and in fact He got so good at killing that he was able to stab that he knew If he stabbed someone at a certain place and at a certain angle

He knew where the blood would spur and he knew how to dodge it So he wouldn't get as bloody during his kills like neo from the matrix. Yeah, just bending over backwards Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and he knew how to keep them alive for as long as possible to prolong The suffering for as long as possible. So he did so that's very interesting. Yeah, you know It's like it's like kind of like the guide and counselor tells you just being like if you had a million dollars What would you want to do with your life? Right? You know what I mean? And chickatillo just did that. He just did it. He took the bull by the horns and he carpe diem'd his way And to killing all these little girls. You don't need to go to the university to become a doctor

No, you don't and I want to thank you Henry for putting that bear naked ladies song in my head if I had a million dollars But now it's about chickatillo stabbing somebody's eyes out If I had a million dollars, I'd take a child into the woods and murder them. Uh, okay. You can do that for free, you know all right Seriously, are you mean wait seriously? Yeah, dude. You can just go do that. Whatever you want like today. Yeah, dude Whatever, you don't even need it. You don't need it. So I hate to cut lunch short, but uh, I'll make a fall with drinks I think we made him a murderer today

So as far as identifying the bodies goes because this the manhunt Oh, we're gonna get into the manhunt the last 12 years Extremely inept very very the ruchians were very very bad at what they did Yeah, they just wrangled up any slow poke in the town. Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that The other problem is it was the big nets that they would just kind of just drag along the streets hoping to catch men But the job was definitely made more difficult Uh, especially in the early days because in the early days most of chickatillo's victims were tramps prostitutes people that had not They didn't have a propiska, right a propiska. That's a formal registration of residents

So if someone didn't have that if they were homeless, uh, or just kind of slept around They were you know, pretty much a stray dog. No one cared about them at all So when they found these bodies, you know, of course when you investigate a murder The first thing you do is identify the body and look around at what they did before they were murdered But with under a chickatillo many times this was impossible Because there was just no more evidence of what the person looked like. Yeah Well, there was no more evidence of what they looked like and there was no identification on the people whatsoever Uh, so he didn't write their names on their backs did not

He did not and of course like he spent all of his time in railway stations and he much like gary ridgeway He started to see himself as an exterminator At some point if you work in a railway station and you just see the same person there every single day ask him where he's going Yeah, and where you going buddy? It just seems like uh, you should be getting a ticket or something You've been here. You've been in the same spot for a month and a half to train station Looking at the human rats because they want to turn them into dog food. That's fine. All right, whatever you want to do, buddy But just get on the train You know do it on the train

Yeah, and people did notice him throughout the years, right? Of course he did because but again the problem is it's again nobody cares about these prostitutes and and and that's where this this amalgamation of sexual tension inadequacy a sense of superiority is what made him the fucking perfect killer because he just because all you have to do is It's I it's so fucked up But it's like lower your standards and like get to a point just being like I'm gonna kill this This strata of human being that no one looks for and eventually you become like because it probably started is just because they were The easiest ones they would come with him

They would go out into the forest with him, but then he began to spy despise them for that Yeah, I don't even think it's lower. I don't think it's lower in your standards. I think he's raising his ego And he's like I'm god of these people and again everyone likes to feel as if they're doing good. Yeah So I mean everybody does even the most sick people. He thinks that he is Eradicating a plague. Yeah, he said they followed me like dogs the guys who invented twinkies We're just trying to make a funner bread and how many people have they killed thousands well by december of 82 he completely this is uh another thing that makes chickatillo Uh special or maybe just makes the soviet union fucked up

Uh in december of 82 He started killing people of higher so he started killing children. He killed this girl olga Uh stolma chinok Uh, he uh picked her up at a bus stop took her to the woods the woods a murderer They didn't find her body for four months and then only by chance But in the interval the police received a message. It was addressed to parents of missing child. It read That Greetings parents. Don't get upset. She is not the first

another bus Before new year, we need another 10 if you want to find her then search among the leaves on the Vadorosky Ptaskosky And it was signed Sadist The black cat the black cat That's that's as bad ass as you can get the black cat sounds like you're but I never trust the black cat. Oh, I cross your path. Oh, I always swipe at your pant leg with my claws

And I killed the girl and I chew on the uterus. Oh black cat having fun All right, you know, I like everything except for black. Maybe we can call you the ravenous beaver How does that sound? Black cat the corn and the cob killer. Oh, that's a great one I'm just biting all around the sides of their torso. Unfortunately the letter was a hoax But you know, I couldn't pass that up. No, absolutely But but it was it is a part of the story because that letter was a part of the investigation for many many years And it's also it also, uh, it's sort of similar to the zodiac, uh, you know, these people who were like faking it

Yeah, the real celeb now. Yeah, he didn't like he didn't even know about the letter until they arrested him because It was almost like the zodiac like it was this weird piece of the puzzle No one could really figure out because and they're like crimes were happening everywhere. Yeah, it was all over It was all over Russia like all the whole the whole raw stuff area They had a wide area of of who could be doing it because there was a bunch of different clues Especially because it seemed like he was becoming a surgeon So they started thinking he was a doctor and then they started thinking maybe he was a cop because he knew how the cops were operating

And so it could have been everything. Anyway, that's how bad again. That's how bad Russia was. They legitimately thought it could be a doctor I mean, how good was the slaughterhouse worker, right? But still doctor could be it's not the black dalian murders for christ sake They were I'm sure these murders weren't that unbelievably artistic or scalpel like and the poor sadist black cat was just like a name Guy named Javar wearing like a cat like costume hat like in an old Jack no one would believe that I am a cat How I wish that I could just all jump from tree branch to tree branch Blackhead is terrifying actually now that I think about it. It's very scary. Yeah, just a big drunk russian man hanging out in the sun Just slowly blinking at people

Uh, yeah, okay walk faster walk faster. I think we saw the black cat Maybe that's where the myth comes from if the black cat crosses your path. You have bad luck It's just a fat russian man The black cat man of the village may accidentally pee all over your shoes. No, he's just marking. He's just marking his territories. It's fine Another plan that he did uh to try to ferret out the real killer was to put a fake notice in the new york daily mirror Gossip column that brought fish out of hiding famed gossip columnist walter winchell wrote on his column on broadway I checked on the grace bud mystery. She was eight when she was kidnapped about six years ago And it is safe to tell you that the department of missing persons will break the case or they expect to in four weeks

One could also argue. Why am I writing about this? I'm on broadway and shouldn't be discussing ongoing criminal investigations Tell me more about cats you ask. It's the summer special. It's a musical about talking cats Anyway back to grace bud the brutal murder. I heard they cut off her vagina back to cats 10 days after that notice was written in the daily mirror Albert fish wrote the infamous grace bud letter now anyone with even a passing fascination with serial killers has read this at some point Nevertheless, here it is once again in part On sunday june the 3rd 1928. I call on you at 406 west 15th street

brought you pot cheese strawberries We had lunch Grace sat in my lap and kissed me I made it my mind to eat her On the pretense of taking her to a party you said yes, she could go I took her to an empty house in westchester. I had already picked out When we got there. I told her to remain outside

She picked wildflowers I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them When I was already I went to the window and called her Then I hid in a closet until she was in the room When she saw me all naked. She began to cry and tried to run downstairs I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mama First I stripped her naked

How she did kick bite and scratch I choked her to death then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms Cook and eat How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven It took me nine days to eat her entire body I did not fuck her though. I could have if I had I wished it She died a virgin Now thankfully mrs. Bud was illiterate

The only time they'd ever saved a life. Yeah, that's nice. Thank right. Yes. She was illiterate Unfortunately, Edward Bud was not her older brother the boy the one who had read read everything The boy who originally had put in the ad Uh that brought Albert fish to their home was the one who received and read the letter Yeah, because you've just been trolled for years by people writing shitty letters to them Yeah, I mean it's been years and years, but when Edward Bud read this letter He called up detective king and said I think this is something I think this is real king read the letter and he was like Holy shit. Yeah, I think this is actually something true. He thought okay. Finally a clue something to go on

I've been an incredible police work. This is amazing police work. The thing that would lead the police to fish It wasn't a letter, but it was the envelope that the letter was in. Yeah It was stamped on the back was an emblem with the initials nyp cba aka the new york private chauffeur's benevolent association Very similar again going back to btk what happened with him and how they were identified They identified him through the fingerprint of his floppy disc. Yeah, very dumb Very dumb way to get caught. Yes. Yeah So the envelope was eventually traced to a boarding house at 200 east 52nd street

Detective king gave a description of frank howard to the landlady who said it perfectly matched a border named Albert fish who had moved out only days before who was the border that Testified in the trial that said he left the little mess behind him. Yes Yes, yes, so he led because she had so she had reason to remember him and as another little side note It is worth noting that the address where fish wrote the grace bod letter describing cannibalism is now No, shit the site of an edible arrangements franchise. Well, that's not good for them. They should have thought that They should have rethought about building a little business there technically Albert fish's visit to the bud house was sort of a edible arrangement

It kind of was we'll let it slide Yeah, yes feel good Oh, anyway, even though fish no longer lived at that address He was still due to pick up a check sent from his son And when fish returned to pick up the check the landlady called detective king who told her to stall fish until he got there Just wonder how she stalled. Well, that's what I was kind of thinking too. Like what do you like? What do you do to keep a man's attention like that? She's like, uh, you want to spank yourself with this newspaper?

Yeah, I got some cheese. Do you want to put your butt in it? All right I got detective. I got him laughing get over here quickly On april 4th one of the investigators a man named slay Walked by the workshop and noticed a stint coming from one of the big chest freezers Hmm after digging through a layer of frost They found two five gallon plastic buckets a slay shined his flashlight inside the first bucket And found a human head cut in half vertically through the face

Do you think they cut the head in half? Because it's easier to put in the bucket or is it because what you do with pigs? Because they cut the head in half to get to the face meat if you're going to make like sort like head cheese If you're going to make all that and the brains are used for a lot of stuff It was because it was like a pig It was exactly he he He butchered these women the exact same way that he butchered pigs right down to the cutting of the head down the vertebrae Down the middle of the body like he was just right. He was doing it how we knew it. He was doing sure we knew to do it

All right That wasn't the only thing in there inside one half of the head in the cranial cavity They found two severed hands and stacked underneath was the other half of the head But inside this half Was two feet Geez the second bucket held the same exact configuration my goodness gracious Now forensics found more body parts near the old pigory in the cistern. Uh-oh A sewage company pumped the damn thing for four days before it was empty because willy had never emptied it

Oh, he's like a cousin Ed from uh from Christmas vacation. Oh, it's cheerful. Oh my god And then after investigators pumped out all of this pig sewage They had to sift through all of it by hand So we're talking like 30 years of pig crap many years Of pig shit. Oh, it just sounds like losing an engagement ring in Shanghai Like in one of the public toilets. Yeah, good luck But it was worth it You know if they found a human jawbone in there for one guy it was some guy probably loved it the creature of mud creek perhaps

I loved it there Now it can't be understated how huge of an operation this really was there were over 100 people working there day and night for years sifting through willy's farm piece by piece by piece I do just imagine someone like waking up really early for sewage day and be like there's something wrong with you Todd But in this case, that's a skill now get on in there. I've been waiting to swim in human sewage for my whole life There's nothing that interests me more than being covered absolutely up to my fucking eyelashes And pure human race well Todd you get in there. I'm out to lunch. I gotta go You get in there

Now these people they had to I mean they had to search through every rock You know they had to they had to search through all these drops and they had these huge conveyor belts that they would have to Go through and search piece by piece. They would sit through all this dirt and go piece by piece by piece It's like a disgusting scene from I love Lucy. Yeah Yeah, they searched through about 40 bone pits. Oh god bone pits bone pits. Yeah, because that you had to put the dead stock somewhere Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah And they had to separate every bone fragment to see what was human and what wasn't and they found a healthy mix of both in every bone pit

But there is a mystery when it comes to the bodies a mystery that endures to this day No one knows what he did with the leg and arm bones It's unlikely that he disposed of him at the rendering plant as those are pretty recognizable as human But not even a piece of one was found on the farm But no one knows what he did with the leg and arm bones But then there was evidence that was almost just out in the open One pail in the slaughterhouse was stuffed with human remains and nearby was the head of Mona Wilson Saw it in the half like all the others

But the most disturbing discovery of all was still to come On July 15th, 2002 Two officers were searching a further two freezers when they found three plastic bags Full of ground meat. Oh, no Oh, shit. Oh, shit. The bags were put in a storage for four months until someone finally tested them And they found that the ground meat was pork And people So this was like honestly this was fed to human beings

This was like they were making sausage out of this stuff This ground meat matched two women one who had disappeared in early 2001 and one who had gone missing Four years before in 1998. That means that's not healthy That's not healthy. No that it is possible If not probable that for at least the previous four years Willie had been grinding up at least some of his victims and mixing the meat in with hogs He butchered. He definitely was an investigators found that Willie had given meat to over 40 friends relatives and associates in this period of time

And Willie had also helped out another friend grind Package and sell about 300 pounds of meat every month to small butcher shops around Vancouver. All right, and yet even though investigators knew all of this They did not issue a public health warning about possible human meat being on the market for another two years Well, you want to keep it under wraps here because

Because what are you gonna say? What are you gonna do? People of quakwitlam and pork quakwitlam. I hate to break it to you now that lovely sausage you've been enjoying It's just sausage you and we're not gonna ruin this for them I was gonna say And you could just see me like and now And just I want to say in unity with the people of pork quakwitlam. I will now eat this human foot No, I know I know that this is I don't know where we got this foot. I'm not asking questions, right?

Right, sergeant lansky. No questions asked. I am gonna eat this foot. So I also know what it's like and Honestly, it's quite good. I do. I will say honestly. I think that the The reason why he did it and ground it up. Yes, obviously he had some sort of sick shit inside of him Of course, he's a fucking monster I bet you he was doing it doing it to pad his fucking counts That he had so much extra meat that he knew that we're saving money on pigs By putting the human meat in with the pork meat and because they're so similar that this was about money And convenience and not just about being a depraved maniac. All right. What about the rent?

What about the rendering plant though? Do they shut that thing down? No, of course not Well, why don't I understand how any of this this is 2001 2002 2002. Yeah, this is like modern time What is happening you can't shut down the rendering plant? Where are you gonna get your mic and ikes if yeah, dude your mic and ikes All right. All right. All right. Also think about the the the contouring craze that's happening on instagram right now That is fueled by the human meat Gelatin that is being used by makeup companies right now After they had dinner went to the beer garden

Peter Curtin led Maria Hahn out to a deserted meadow and began the longest Cruelest most drawn out murder of his career He strangled her until she passed out then when she woke up. He did it again BTK Jesus When she came to wants more Curtin stabbed her in the throat with his scissors and when the blood gushed forth He pressed his mouth to the wound and drank her blood until he vomited Oh, so this is again with the scissors I guess he really even though it was a fail the first time he used the scissors scissors become a favorite of his

Yeah, speak God because and I think it's no mistake. I think he's doing it on purpose is that he do these he did a pointed specific Puncture like he would do in order to get a spurt of blood and even then Maria was still alive If she begged for her life Curtin stabbed her in the chest then repeatedly stabbed her in the head Until she mercifully slipped away Curtin said the whole process had taken an hour Geez So after Maria was dead Curtin rolled her body into a ditch and threw some branches over for cover

When he got home that night his wife was already asleep, but the next morning She immediately noticed quite a few blood stains on Curtin's clothes. So here we have some blood stains, right? Yeah Now the two got into a fight about it So Peter figured he'd better actually hide this body lest it be discovered and his wife would make the connection between the blood stains And the murder of Maria Han because she's not blaming me for deaths. The next thing I know I don't get my tuna fish casserole on Fridays. That's not good So this is the first time that she is this the first time that she suspects that he is doing something nefarious when he leaves I guess so well. This is the first time that there's actually evidence that he's like come home

And and she's seen like there's blood stains on your clothes. What have you been doing? And he'd been out all night long too. It must be a lot of blood, right? It's a fair amount of blood. Yeah so Once again after work Curtin went home grabbed a shovel and headed back out to the crime scene where he picked up Maria's body Took it to a fallow cornfield and buried her in a deep grave relishing the act the entire time It's kind of like when you go like down the different block When you want to go to the grocery store to get the nice cup of coffee from the new hipster coffee shop

And you're like, why don't I do this all the time? Yeah Interesting. Well, it's totally different Uh, this involves a homicide If your analogy involves coffee and this is a murder because if my analogies did involve me Talking openly about the several murders of women that I would have had to have done to know the distinct pleasures Of doing this then I would be incriminating myself wouldn't I benjamin kiss her? That's a good point. Keep talking about coffee But curtain wasn't done yet a few weeks later He said he returned to Maria's grave and dug up the body with the intention of nailing it to a tree

In a mox crucifixion, but the body was too heavy. So he just reburied it But the thing was he could not let his work go unnoticed If nobody found the desecrated body then in his mind the job was only half finished and there was ultimately No point. It's like in peter's mind. It's like it never happened. Okay. Yeah Yeah, it's very interesting. So in november He sent letters that gave the exact location of the body to several newspapers Making sure to tell them that the perpetrator of this crime was indeed the vampire of dusseldorf And in that letter he gave them the exact location of mariahan's body

This is the one I wish I could have found the actual copy of the letter. I couldn't find it I couldn't find it I don't know if it's because they don't have the same obsession with serial killers except now we know But I feel like at the time nowadays we blow it up until like a media frenzy or in the 70s and shit during these serial killer Heyday of the united states of america. I don't remember what we were saying Last episode. Yeah, they loved your crime, but I wonder but That was after the facts of the crime. I wonder if at the time The newspapers did not want to blow it up as much. I know they were trying to keep a lid

On as much information as they could they actually it seems like in Germany at the time they were better at it than we ever were yeah Well, there was a little world war two and it was quite a lot. Maybe it got exploded Yeah, it could have got exploded. I mean everything sort of got destroyed. So maybe that was one of it I don't know actually you make a very good point there quite a quite a few records of uh, you know, germany We're destroyed in that time and it could also have been you know destroyed by the nazis who were doing their best to erase the Past of germany as much as they possibly could But that's not to say that peter curtain

Wasn't still killing in the meantime between the murder in august and him sending the letter in november In fact, as I said earlier the mariahan murder kicked off What was to be the most vicious and prolific spree of peter curtain's life? Later on in the same week that he killed mariahan Peter curtain approached 26 year old Gertrude Schilte as she was on her way to meet up with a few friends for an afternoon lark I am not maligning whatsoever, but it's it's always interesting when you remember Gertrude's were young once When we think of the name Gertrude it's just such an older name when you're 26 year old Gertrude You'd ever even think about that when I was a kid

Uh, Gertrude was the name of the old witch that my grandfather said lived in the abandoned house Uh far into the ranch meanwhile, you know back in the day when Gertrude had that snapper out there She was letting her when she was hanging them high and all that stuff back and they Gertrude was hot Yeah, I feel like it's how it always is. And now it's coming back around everybody's name mildred didn't berthel and stuff like that And now we're gonna have 80 year old nicolets and now I just can't wait until nursing homes are filled with stephanie's and ashley. Yes Oh, that's fine. I will name my kid herbert. I like that name. It's my grandfather's name. Oh herb is a real good name herb herb

Castle herb castle. Yeah, mine's a good farm hand mine's gonna be Skeletons You're gonna name your kids skeletons. Yeah multiple skeletons. That's gonna be good for them going through life being named skeletons They better start working hard in order to get over what has already been done to them That is the premise of a boy named soon. Oh, yeah Okay So after lemuel murphy ate the mouse He started attacking everyone else biting on their arms and just yelling one thing over and over and over again

Give me my bone Give me my bone Biting on his head. Give me my bone. Give me my bone. Give me my bone Yeah, when did he turn into a shaggy dog? He died at 2 a.m. And his body was rolled out of the circle into the snow There were now three bodies laying in the forlorn hopes camp And that's when the cannibalism started That's when the cannibalism started

I said it. I said the thing. I said the thing. He set the line And that's when the cannibalism started He set it. I said the line. I did what you wanted me to do. That's from the intro of the show I know I know it is. I did the thing Rise from your grave And that's when the cannibalism started Oh, shit. Yeah, I remember these. Oh, I love them. Awesome So the morning after murphy's death it was decided there was no other choice

So they began butchering the three bodies that lay frozen in their camp. Okay, so they did have to choose So they had to organize who is going to get who because no one wanted to eat a member of their own family Jesus And first they removed the heads hands and feet of the cadavers which is common among cannibals As it helps to dehumanize the meat. They seem pretty good at it like right off the bat Well, I mean it's almost like uh again like a primordial type of urge like because you're looking at it and you're thinking like I can't eat a person so I've got to make this look less like a person That's why I don't like going to pig roast where the pig is actually on a spit because it's it's horrifying

Yeah, it makes you feel weird. No, not me man. It's the opposite. I like seeing the face That's what a real that's a non-hypocrite's way of looking at me. I understand the feet I actually will agree. I am a hypocrite when it comes to that They then opened the torso and brought out the liver heart and kidneys those that's and of course like that's The most likely thing to do because that's the most nutritious meat by this point because their muscles are all gone Right three of the survivors were either the sibling or spouse of each of the deceased So the party divided into three groups. So no one would accidentally eat the flesh of their kin

They found some dry firewood and the meat was roasted on sharpened steaks What they said too is that again their hunger pains had sort of left And so for a while this was like they were doing this rote Butchering and it felt like butchering an animal. So it was a little bit more like okay We can do this was fine, but it was slow going But they said when the smell of the cooking meat hit their noses They became ravenous with hunger Oh, I mean it just smells like fucking beef sweet delicious pork beautiful pork meat

Yeah, interesting the only ones who didn't partake in the meat were lewis and salvador because they looked at this whole thing Like this is an abomination of the highest order right right So the forlorn hope sat in the snow and ate all of them avoiding eye contact and weeping at what they had to do to survive Wow Now it is true that they would have probably survived a couple more weeks without the human flesh before they starved to death But before we judge it is almost assured They would not have had the energy to continue. They just would have sat around that fire Trying to find dry firewood until they just starved to death

Well, this is a small exaggeration, but not that much of an exaggeration when I was 380 pounds I did sit in a ponderosa booth after about my fifth plate and I did begin to cry Um, because it got quite sad that was one of those yeah, there's one of those aha moments And then I realized I couldn't tie my shoes And that's another moment I realized I had to lose some weight. This is like the opposite. This is the complete opposite of the Donner Park Yes, it is. The obese eating well fat is actually sad. Well obese is actually sadder than I don't know if that's true I've eaten some sad signs So after the butchering they got a little bit of luck the snow stopped and the temperature dropped

Meaning the snow was easier to walk on So they cut long strips of flesh from the deceased and dried them over a fire for the further journey In the end only four days worth of meat could be harvested from the starved bodies And still they were weeks left to go. Geez that is kind of what they brought up in the book that was interesting It was like the way he said it way brown said it was almost a little suspicious We was like if you really look at the stats of franklin graves, you'd expect a yield of 66 pounds No, I I remember that passage and I remember thinking like I really respect this guy for doing the math Well, I mean like a really he called somebody up. He asked him what that what how much meat it would yield

I I respected it. Yeah. So, um, maybe they weren't very good at getting the meat off the boat No, uh, it well, okay. Think of it this way, uh, like compare it to the uh, Uruguayan rugby team that crashed in the andes in the 70s alive and all that those guys were all athletes They were a rugby team, right? So there was quite a bit of very good meat left on those guys So they were able to get some choice cuts not to be too indelicate Uh, but they were able to get some pretty choice cuts of meat from these guys Uh, the Donner party by the time they had by the time they had started to butcher, you know, franklin graves and such and the other two

Um, there was very little meat left on their bones. So you think that organized sports would have really helped? Yeah, actually. Yeah Had a little bit more muscle, but it's also the proper the proper diets. They've been walking for 2000 miles They had gump bodies They had that like the long muscles of walking for a long time and they've not been eating a lot of fat So that without fat in the meat, you can't properly process the nutrients in the meat. Yeah, right. So it's very very dry Now after the meat ran out The only thing they had left to eat were their shoes

So they roasted their shoes and then moved on Totally barefoot and what's more a lot of them barely had any clothes on their back at all Because the clothes had started to rot from all the wetness And they were walking through these tree branches constantly and the branches because the clothes were rotted They just ripped more and more and more top I mean, they were half naked walking through like the sierra nevadas in the teens. That's crazy A few days after eating their shoes the hunger once again became too much That's when the first mention of outright murder came

Oh, William Foster was the one who suggested that the group kill and eat Lewis and Salvador Let's kill those guys Interesting Which is just that that inner like plotting of people pulling each other to the side being like you see him over there Look at that. All right. Imagine I'm in a taco. Just listen. Listen. I'm known being crazy. I'm being crazy But imagine I'm on a salad I

All right, there was everyone. Hope you enjoyed this best of episode I gotta say when you put it all together, it seems like people only eat other people Again, it's it's really just about how hungry you are. Yeah, are you um, were you just a little cat in a bag? But you just want to see was at the bottom of that bag Donner party I don't consider them cannibals as much as I do Dommer because like you were talking about up top. Dommer probably was like, I'm a little too full But he finished off the brain or whatever. Well, because it's gonna spoil party. They really they really did need it

So they get a bit more of a pass. Sure. They ate down to the bone Well, they're very hungry. They're very very hungry. They were very well, they have their gnawing on bones. Yeah Yeah, Jeffrey Dahmer was like he was vacationing in the world of cannibalism where the donor party They were like forced to get like a full-time job in cannibals. Yes, absolutely Well, all right, everyone. Thank you so much for listening and uh, yeah, well, just thanks so much for another wonderful Well, I mean, it's been a wonderful year in many ways. We have to count our blessings at this time. It's been a challenging year It's been an interesting year, which is um, unfortunate word

But I will say it's nice that we are not being consumed by humans right now But do you remember how we talked about it? Unless you are and you're listening here right now in which case you're like Uh Can't relate to this show anymore But it's like the donor party again Do you remember how often they tried to sit when we were researching it where they kept saying like Everybody says the only interesting part of this story is the cannibalism and it's like you're right Well, no, it's very interesting the buggies and the wheels

Wagon manifests where it works ordinarily interesting and I know that you always mark is to cut all the shovel talk And I could have gone for some more shovel talk I am just saying that the quarter of cannibalism and that is the real Cayenne It's the pepper, but it ain't the man course That's right. That's right. Honestly, I'm starving. The main course is the struggles of the settlers, Henry. I know I I have already I've I'm I'm permanently frowning I think about them every day. Well, I'm I'm gonna go fucking watch ken burns the west and and cleanse my palate and

Revisit Well, I love it. All right, y'all hang in there. Keep on doing the best you can and never forget. Hail yourself. Hail Satan I'll gain my good Hell me eat some turkey for me, bitch eat some toe furky eat some turkey eat whatever you want And you know what? What I have learned is have if even if you're on a diet have fun on thanksgiving and eat whatever you want and then the next day It's a holiday. There's no calories. There's no calories. So then you won't feel like you missed out And then you won't eat so much the next day

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