Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 105: John Wayne Gacy

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

The Heavy Hitters series continues with the Killer Clown himself, John Wayne Gacy! Join us in this first installment as we explore Gacy's early life as a pudgy Boy Scout to his sodomy conviction in Iowa and landing back in Des Plaines, IL where Gacy's murder spree of 33 teenage boys begins.

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started So many lonely go let alone it goes Oh We're gonna go yeah, that's Marcus parks. I am Benjamin kiss all to my left. We have a fella Caribbean Christmas I stalked Henry Zabrowski coming out of the train today. We were in the exact same G train different cars He got off before I did I was walking behind him for quite a long time enough time to stab you multiple

Multiple times if I so wanted to I was wrapped in a fantasy. He was wrapped in a fantasy I see Henry Henry he snaps out of it And he's like oh you wouldn't believe what I was just thinking about and I was like was it something peaceful and wonderful Something about love and bunnies. No, no what I said was that it's very true I was I was not looking like my house. I was imagining in my brain when my parents eventually die Parents eventually die I'm gonna spend Christmas in Cancun and how many people are you gonna spend Christmas in nobody nobody myself just me the Zedas and a fucking pinta martinis so you can think of anything in your head

You could fantasize about going to space literally was imagining myself on the plane going to Cancun on Christmas We're in a Santa hat and just fucking a leather thong get out for fucking the yeah for the fantasy fest 2017 in Cancun mr. Zabrowski. Would you like another coconut martini fucking line them up sister? Cuz I'm vacationing for Christmas. I've been fantasizing about being a magician lately What what if you could juggle one thing what do you want to do knives swords chainsaws Not that's not that's a magician. What kind of magician a practical magician a practical magician Who a wizard a wizard you want to be a wizard more than a whole episode about you are by our trip to be with I want to be a wizard too, but mostly I just want to be like because I am and have like a joint show up

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah the world's most stoned with Wizards are stoned on magic that sir would be a conjuring spell. Oh I live it to kiss miss niticus. This is gonna be the earliest nerd alert of every night. Let's not can we stop Hogwarts is gay Anti-nerd talk though before we get into today's major subject John Wayne We have to get pretty masculine before we start talking today. Yes, we do about our present What's more masculine than star in a major motion picture that comes out in December 25th called the willful fall straight and going to the premier party Mr. Henry Zabrowski you gotta check it out. It's good. Check it out. It's a good film. Mr. Zabrowski on Tuesday night Every other night of every other night of your life. You've been a peasant

Yes, a normal person and I'm back to being one sure but for one night the glitz and glam I would bounce off my sunglasses of my patent leather shoes and I walked the red carpet Yes, you did and you look glorious walking that red carpet. Absolutely. I did. I tried it was from him and I got a woman's wear digest Asked me a couple of questions. They're the only one really the only ones who talk to me for you like this time Excuse me, it's women's wear daily. I'm sorry. Okay, and will this interview be coming out Maybe because they asked me it later on to they re quoted me. They asked me to clarify something. I Um, they got they got the by the pleasure of them asking me. They're like, so what are you wearing? And I was like, um, it's a little boutique That I really know about it. You know, it's a thing in New York. It's really good. It's called men's warehouse

Actually, it's what's funny about it is that you'd think it's warehouse the building, but it's warehouse With the word where in the title now that is fun and she stared at me in silence That is great. Women's wear daily check out the Henry's a browse the article. I think she was throwing me vibes Yeah, I've been told I'm gonna like the way I look What I did that too, which is an interesting what's what's this an impression of impression of what's this an impression of all right? Move along. Okay. We're good. Thank you. Every reporter every rolling stones reporter where they saw Henry because the rolling stone That's going down the tubes. No, yeah, women's daily women's wear daily

I was a wolf of Wall Street's about men with big giant hard fucking cocks who know where to put their money and know how to Treat the ladies and other boys they pal around with and there's another guy out there There is another how to treat the ladies. He knows how to treat some of his boys downtown He's got the manliest name in the game. Welcome to number two at our big hitter series hitter The pig the pig of Chicago the fucking killer clown himself John Wayne We covered Dahmer before and now upon re-entering into this world Yes, I've I have relaunched my love for John Wayne. Casey John Wayne. Casey's a charmer. Yes, it's a Joker That's right funny guy. He's well connected. You know, I mean he knows who he knows

He knows where to get the freshest sausage in town. Is he your spirit animal John Wayne? Casey would you describe him as the inspiration? Obviously besides just obvious just physical connections, right? He's obviously who I'd be if I was a serial killer. He's got the gift of gab He's got the gift of gab because he's got the gift of clown and he's got the gift to Make people want to be around him, which is exceptionally difficult and a rare skill for the vast majority of serial killer It's a true politician and matter of fact probably even closer to the truth of politicians We want to look at like what happened in Boystown what happened in various different places that we have already seen Where we've seen the politicians who are

openly not a total sexual freak Indeviant on the inside is town again the the whole the the Indian Franklin cover You know with piping in boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah Supposed to fuck suppose it's satanic ritual abuse going on But mostly it was just politicians fucking boys having sex with the president who's where he's Manages to get the glue to keep his fucking people mask on right right by the way I read that article that somebody posted on the Facebook page about the lost prophets lead singer and he got 22 years twenty-nine and then seven on top of it. That's all he got no

I think he's going for 35, but either way He knew how to fuck some babies. That's for certain. Is it if you give a baby an orgasm you're fine under the law Yeah, it's like well these babies loved it under British law. Yes. Yeah, because babies They're just smoking cigarettes just going any time any time come rolling over my crib literally It's a crib. I liked it. It's a crib. We'll take it John Wayne Gasey gift to gab a real charmer He had every tool that he needed to have in order to be one of the greatest serial killers in American Absolutely, he was molested by an uncle He was beaten by his father or called him a queer his whole life

And I mean not like he wasn't saying was already going on inside his own fucking mind, right? Which is really fun and interesting how his father has a bit of a psychic. Okay, um, his father really knew his son Yeah, absolutely. I knew him some better than he did. Yeah, because it's like he could tell he was a liar Especially when John Wayne Gasey just hanging out with his sisters, you know and just being like I'm gonna be a big strong man Like you daddy sure you will John. Yeah. Yeah, go put on your clown makeup and teach the kids the rope trick Marcus gave me this book called Defending a monster John Wayne Gasey by John Wayne Gasey's Defense attorney Sam or emirante He wrote an entire book from his perspective in the in the case which is entirely flawed

Because the defense attorney's case is entirely flawed. Oh, yeah He was because he had 33 fucking boys Buried at his house. Okay, you were in his house now It doesn't look good 26 boys in his house and then five in the river in the river Yeah, cuz he ran out of room in the house, right, right? Um, that's a bad problem to have Where am I gonna put these extra five children should have went to the container store? Yeah, you can talk with one of their personal organizers there and they'll come over to the house and they'll look at your stuff, right? Um, and so what I want I wanted to do I wanted to do a reading

We're gonna do several readings from this book But I wanted to paint the the the picture of where Sam emirante is coming from. It's really makes you feel Special about this country. I mean it's about it's about the American flag. That's right It's about the American justice system justice system. The chances this man has a hairpiece is 100% right? Absolutely Okay, make sure. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. He's got yeah He's got like Alan thick stop and then his bottom face looks like Abe Vagoda In 1770 when this country was in its birth throws the most hated man in America was a man named captain Thomas Preston He was the commander of a small cadre of British soldiers who fired upon a gathering of disgruntled colonists killing five

This event came to me known as the Boston massacre The five men who died a result of this event are considered by most historians to be the first casualties of the revolutionary war Oh, my as is always the case There were two sides to the story as to why this tragedy occurred the colonists led primarily by Sam Adams one of the most Outspoken writers and revolutionaries of the day claim that the British fired upon the peaceful crowd and killed five patriots without just cause The British soldiers claim that they fired upon an angry mob and self-defense There are two reasons that will cause good men to abandon their long-standing dearly held morals values and principles and revert to more primitive barbaric practices to resolve conflicts

This is about a book who about a kid who about a dude who killed 33 children. Yeah, okay Sure, we're still yeah. Yeah, John Wayne. Casey. This is It sounds like a force Yeah, that is when their hearts are filled with anger or when their hearts are filled with fear Because the colonists were angry over taxes imposed by the British without representation along with other perceived Injustices I mean that is and because they were fearful of the sheer might of the British crown in general and of the soldiers They were now being billeted in their town to quell potential uprisings and particular their hearts were filled with both They want to revenge against the British captain and the British soldiers under his command evidence be damned facts be damned

They wanted revenge that was swift insurer. So 26 kids Okay, okay, they wanted the heads of the captain than his men on the spit John Wayne Casey one man came forth and said loud and clear I Stand for the law The man that took the soldier's case when no other man would would stand in their defense was John Adams, okay, John Adams one of our nation's true founding fathers a signer of the declaration of independence our first vice president our Second president of the United States and then five in the river Also known as Sam amirante His response was said to be this

Counselor is the last thing an accused person should lack in a free country He agreed to defend these men in spite of what it may do to his reputation To his law practice or to his future plans Horrible liar he lied every single person ever met Oh, okay, he took the case because he believed that free men had certain rights These are among the heartfelt principles in which he built his life Those principles are woven into the fabric of our Constitution those principles represent our principles as Americans Every person accused of a crime shall have the right to a speedy in public trial by an impartial jury of his peers

Every person so accused shall have the right to face his accuser in a court of law Every person so accused shall have the right to counsel many men and women have fought and died to preserve those principles those rights So keep that in mind when you hear someone say that this crime is too gruesome Or that this person is too dangerous or that this issue is too complicated to allow these principles to stand That is includes the frightened flock that today seeks to exclude terrorists from those principles interesting Yeah, keep in mind that the very men that John Adams defended were uniform members of an army of a foreign power That would soon become an enemy still they had their day in court There is no cause or justification to usurp the Constitution

When Harry didn't nervous people jump in front of microphones and scream and rail that we should suddenly do something in direct Contravention to that upon which we have based our very system of justice when they tell you that we should abandon that which men have fought and Died for which has worked so well just the beginning of this beautiful experiment that we call America in favor of that Which we've always criticized about lesser countries kindly invite them to pound sand And so John Wayne Gasey Down the line the Revolutionary War there. Yeah, that was amazing And then we'll cover in the second half of this episode They only took an hour and 45 minutes to convict him of 33 counts of murder. Interesting

Sam Amarante, I thought he had it going on. Amarante no small ego on that guy He actually changed his first name actually when they came from her, Elzal and his first name was Am I right? Hey, am I right? Hey, I'm a ron. Hey I literally I was reading this in bed. I was reading it. I was like he just called himself John Adams He did He is bigger than John. I love this guy so much defending a monster It's one of my favorite true crime books incredibly written We're gonna read a scene out of John Wayne Gasey's life at the end of this episode

And you'll see what kind of tailspinner this man is. Oh, yeah, check it out You want to go back in the way way back machine and start when John Wayne Gasey was born a fat little child not unlike Ed Larson A fat little Ed Larson looking baby overweight and unathletic and underpaid. Well, he didn't have a job He wasn't doing anything very close. He had two sisters. He was very close to his two sisters and I was also very close to my sister Isn't that something then you're in shape. Yeah, very weird. I played sports Six years a catcher because a fucking Goldberg Goldberg lot. Oh, yeah Henry did have the two fattest positions that that was a catcher and a goalie Kids do basically kids just wanted to throw balls and pucks at you and then you found a way to let them do it

And so Gasey was all of his life trying to find his father's approval Right from the age of fight He started being beat by his father around the age of four and his father beat him with a leather belt for Disarranging car parts. Absolutely What happens when you name your son John Wayne you when you were said but like literally Think about what you set up a kid's life for when you name him John Wayne if he's anything but a fucking 10 inch dick cowboy He's gonna be less manly than you want him to be right. Yeah without a doubt So he was he named after the movie star. Yes, he was John Wayne

He was named after the father's favorite movie star and he did have friends grown up Like he wasn't very popular, but he was in the Boy Scouts And was very popular within the boys and with his girls. He was how he was popular with the ladies Well, I'm sure they had a nice friend that they could confide in certainly. He wasn't grabbing on their Hands like slope shoulders. He's great. He's he's knitting with them. Absolutely and the more that his mother tried to shield him from His father's abuse the fuck the more the father hated him the more he called him a sissy a mama's boy a queer God that wasn't right, you know Surely not real and I'm guessing there's in the book

There is a fight there's a little name that John Wayne gasey says over and over again when referring to gay people Which I'm sure he picked up from his father. He just says over and over I ain't no fruit picker fruit picker It sounds more like a racial slur against like a Mexican we're a cuban. It's just a job title. It's a fruit picker Yeah, yeah, that's all it is. No, yeah, John Wayne gasey violently Defended the fact that he was not homosexual is not every single turn But I don't know why he said bisexuals being fine then we'll talk about it. We'll yeah Well, we'll talk about when we get there so at nine. That's when he was molested He was molested by a family friend and this is an interesting thing. I mean he was probably flirt

Here's really interesting is that the man who molested him was a contractor which as we all know Was the occupation that John Wayne gasey chose later on in life when he began molesting children Yeah, that's like I mean he did have molestations and assaults before he started PDM contractors But once he started PDM contractors, that's when he really kicked in a high gear What explains a lot about me? I said I was molested by dumb deliwies as a child dumb deliwies I mean just say I said thank you for the career though. That's really been great And every morning you slam a whipped cream pie right in your face. Yeah, and I go I get hard from it really

Yeah, isn't that something special everyone's got a hobby a contractor. They go to house to house, right? Yeah, so you have access to a whole series of different people. It's great. It's a again. It's a perfect job It's the same thing. Uh, you know, it's like what Dennis Rader did perfect job for serial killer because you get total access Yeah, that's what makes uh, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer so especially just worked at the chocolate factory He just was you know, he could have been he could have been what's his name? What's the name of the ball, dude? He could have been a max Brenner Yes, he was the uh, the ball the max Brenner the chocolate man. He had a couple of stores around here Jeffrey Dahmer's chocolate tears. I could almost see it. Oh, that does sound amazing. It's like man

It's look at all these wonderful crudely done bananas. He's chocolate covered bones human shoulder So when gacy was 11 he had something else happened to him, which is another hallmark of serial killers He had an extensive head injury He was hitting the head by a swing and so from the ages of 11 to 16 he had blackouts He had seizures. I think all this was horseshit. See, I don't think his seizures were horseshit Because when you look on later on and he's lying so much I think he's been lying since that age because he figured out that he was fine That's how we got out of doing sports. Well, he was diagnosed as having blood clots by a doctor

I mean doctors back in the day. I mean, they were probably molested him too. He's probably sat shame around the rest of the story The doctors weren't molesting him Um, you know, they were just checking all his cavities That's fine. That's his cavities. No, gacy seems like the kind of frumpy dumb kid You know who stands in front of a swing It's cold outside. Uh, I got ice cream on my shorts Exactly. Ben's over gets hit in the head. I could see I could see this being a very reasonable thing to have happened to an 11-year-old Mom, it's nobody likes me. They say it's my voice

That's the reason, John It's bad for making friends That is exactly what he sounded like It's dead on. It's a dead eye impression. You know, he was also a bit of a kiss ass He assisted the school truancy officer. I just want to beat him up myself. He volunteered to run errands for teachers Oh god, such a brown noser You appeal to authorities so you get authorities power and he always did and he did and he got into politics at a very young age He started volunteering for the democratic party at 18. Yeah, of course

He did. Dad called him a sissy for that too. What was the actual official term that he called him for that? Something like a patsy His father would have loved if his son was Ted Bundy I feel like his father would have just loved if his kid was Ted Bundy. He was just good looking and big and like, you know He loves the ladies. Oh, Ted, he'd get out there and love the ladies. Yeah, cuz uh, I guess come here Can you imagine if a button hit on by John Wayne Gacy? Because at the same time John Wayne Gacy's like humor was not Nothing wasn't funny. He was backdoor funny. He was like, um Your dad's friend funny like I remember my dad and my friends used to have a joke where they'd go like Be the bull and they would like go and put up like horns

Like at each other and then they'd go do god knows what Outside of my family and that was the joke there. That was like the joke You know, I mean it was all like them slapping each other's ass and talking about you know, like essentially rape Right, you know, they're all just laughing about rape. Well, they were probably nypd officers as well Yes, absolutely a clot a clot of them That's what you call a group of drunk officers Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So 1962. Gacy has had enough with his uh with his father He's had enough with his family. He drops out of high school. I'm moving out

I mean, actually Billy Joel wrote this song About big John Wayne Gacy and moving up. Yeah going to Las Vegas Yeah, I mean to Las Vegas, Nevada and became a mortuary attendant. Uh, and this is when a very bizarre Uh incident happens with John Wayne Gacy one night. He's cleaning out the embalming room There's a young boy in there naked on the table on the old slab and Gacy Crawls up next to him and starts cradling the dead body. I mean, it's Lonely, it's like the television show pushing daisies. Maybe you thought he could bring the boy back to life With just a little hug. I bought Ben kissle that body pillow to keep you company and I come back the next day and it's torn to shreds

Yeah, yeah. Well, it didn't keep me very good company. Did it? No, I wasn't happy with what it was saying to me I mean they even say embrace, but you know, he fucking like touched his lips He touched every inch of that boy's body. Yeah, I mean that's also that just shows how shockingly lonely a person can be Like he was just lonely. He had no real relationships. Did he graduate high school? No, he eventually no, he never did No, no, he never did. No, he took classes while he was in prison for the first time. Yeah, no, we'll get to that That's phenomenal. If you got to meet the we'll get into uh, yeah, we'll get in all that stuff Yeah, the rise of John Wayne Gacy is pretty interesting. And you know, I will say in his defense He had every reason to you know, I'm sick of the molestation. I'm sick of the beatings. You know, I'm sick of

He only got molested once He got beat a bunch. No, he got molested multiple times by one dude. Who just does it once? You know, especially such a supple young John Wayne Gacy nine year old to pop the fun. Don't stop. That's right I just have to like keep going back to that sweet sweet well water I just I don't know. I just think that he was he was raised he was raised to be isolated And he lived isolated. Well, yes, I will say this is so far the perfect recipe for creating a total demon creature Absolutely, but then there was I mean, you know, but then the same time in the 1950s It just feels like everyone's getting everyone's getting molested. That is true. Everybody

Not everyone was getting molested. Like it was fine. They were a little bit all like every priest molested everybody Everyone's getting molested. There's a part just growing up. He had a funny uncle. Everyone had like a funny uncle A funny uncle in like 1952 Like there'd be like an uncle or that you couldn't go in in here It's like uncle Terry and he's just going on. He's playing with his children. So he's being like I have so many rocking horses in my grand if you any commubinator Cousin Terry and they're like stay away from uncle Terry, you know, yeah Yeah, I said, yeah, that is true. Every family does have the stay away uncle. Absolutely do

So John Wayne Gacy after the incident with the corpse. He is shocked. At least that's what he says We're gonna call this an incident with the corpse an incident Incident sort of an accidental event this language back in the day He started figuring out how to like dissociate say it's dissociate himself from what he did very easily Usually an incident doesn't involve semen. Yeah, did he come on this child? Absolutely. Of course he did well It doesn't say he did but yeah, okay So this freaks him out so much that he calls up his mom and he says that listen I want to move back home

She talks to the father the father eventually says yes, you can come back home. So he comes back stays in Vegas and somehow he Managed to enroll in northwestern business college Despite having no high school degree. He just lied his way through. He's very good at lying jumping hurdles in 1963 He graduated and undertook a management training position with this is really funny The nun bush shoe company The nun button N. U. N. Bush U. N. N. Bush

Nunn bush. Nunn bush. How do you like your body? How do you like your boys, john? Nunn bush You're gonna fit in just fine here the old shoe company. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, drop them pants, johnny Oh, you're gonna have to get the tutorial before we get done with this Oh, this is thick. Mm-hmm. I can't imagine john wane, uh, gasey's bush hair being relatively thick No, I know I honestly imagine it's like long red and wispy like yours That's disgusting everybody And for some reason then I had to think of a child running through the fields of henry's and rousey's pubic hair

with their hands up in a v Basking in the sun. Gee daddy. This is some funny corn Yeah, like some disgusting clorox bleach commercial white sheets blowing in the wind. Yep. All on henry's Henry's a browsky field of dreams Well march of that year he got engaged to his first wife maryland mires He worked with her at the nun bush shoe company Nine months later they got married and maryland's father

He for john wane gasey purchased a whole series of kentucky fried chicken restaurants in waterloo, iowa Isn't that I know I did not know this about the kentucky fried chickens. Yeah He managed a whole bunch for years up until his you know arrest that we'll get to he managed kentucky fried chickens Absolutely, really again another food connection. They love it. I mean you could imagine it Well, you remember when back in the day when kentucky fried chicken was like a sit-down restaurant. Absolutely Sit-down restaurant. How do you treat it? What do you do you go in there and get out? Yeah, I just hide in shame you do that at your mother's house No, you sit down at the goddamn table. You have a bucket to yourself and you uh, go get a couple of refills for free

I'll have a kiss a little special. Um, sorry, sir. We don't serve rum here. Yeah, that's just when they kick you out immediately And I should have asked for that. I really wanted some chicken So how many did he manage? How many didn't say how many he managed a bundle is a yeah, three three I also went to look for um Interviews with john Wayne gacy's wives and I couldn't find any no just like most of uh spouses of serial killers Like I think uh denis raiders family. Didn't they change their name? That is a very very common thing. Yeah, all change their names. Can you imagine that?

It's also like what was john Wayne gacy like in bed? You know, I mean like do you think that? Oh, because you know the story of his will get it to his second wife. He called it off He said at one point. He's like we're not having sex anymore. Oh, yeah Yeah, but you imagine like him just kind of crawling on top just going like oh, it was longer Like you like suck it on her clit going like oh I mean, you know, where's the balls? He was thinking about the corpse baby that he was cuddling at the uh, goddamn mortuary You know, that's what he was thinking about every time. Maybe there was a full grown male man corpse

It was like seven-year-old child. No, it was a man. It was a man. It was like a 16-year-old boy It was a man in a coffin a man in a coffin. Yeah, yeah Well, it's also like you call it when I got a shit in the toilet a man in a car. There's a man in the coffin in there Right, right. Yeah, I've heard of that. I've heard that uh call such things It's also at this time the john Wayne gets because he describes this time in his life is perfect Yes, this is when he is at his happiest because this is also when he joins his favorite group of all time the jc Yeah, I told you I looked up the when you look up notable jcs. There's only four Charles Limburg Hubert Humphrey Richard Nixon and John Wayne

He mentioned being in that class. What a list hanging out with that crew, you know, holy lord Oh, my god, so if you don't know what the jcs are this is a they are a leadership training in civic organization You still don't know what that means. Uh, what is a civic organization? Uh, it's it's like the Shriners. They do volunteer stuff. Uh, they organize Do they just I get to be see when the way they describe of what john Wayne gacy did at these jc meetings I think I thought that they were all like that I thought all the Shriners and the jcs and the mason's all they do is sit around and look at fucking like dark 1960s Porn and fucking beat each other off. Well, yeah, I mean that's what they actually do but the volunteer stuff is their front

Oh, yeah, so they can tell so they can tell their wives like no, no, no We're gonna go and we're gonna figure out this fun run and then really they're just watching stag films and john's garage And you see like stag films always involve a girl dying Yeah, I think for the most part that's what makes them fun there for all these individuals So he's living the perfect life. He's got a couple of kfc restaurants. He's in the jc group He's making friends with everybody everybody knows him. He's a big shot. He becomes what's the term? It's like key member Yeah, key member. Yeah, and it's also at this time He joins the jcs and he finds himself a bit of a second fuck partner

This is when he has his second homosexual experience Is the molestation that's his first so you're gonna put that on him. I'm not putting it on him I don't think I'm just saying I don't think gaysie had a homosexual experience. He was molested. He was molested I mean, no, we're talking about when he fucked the corpse. Oh, well when he was touching the corpse That was technically his I wouldn't even call that a homosexual experience He'd call it that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's got a dick on it It definitely didn't play with anybody's boobies Well, that's true. We don't know if it's a heavy set corpse or not

I just feel like that's like that is a fox news talking point is whether or not that's homosexual activity or just straight up necrophilia If it's dead the person's dad. Yeah, that is a good question though Who knows so it's this guy that gives gay see the speech that he made to so many So many victims every victim that he would give this speech you go like so You ever try to go out and you just can't find any girls Yeah, sure. Mr. Casey. I don't always have luck with the girls. Well, you know, no And you know a lot of guys have that problem, you know, but yeah, well, you know, I just wish it was a way to you know I don't know Becky. He'll never be with me. You know, I knew this guy back in springfield, Illinois

And he taught me this little trick That I've stayed true to to this day, you know, just getting your dicks up by a man It's a really feels no different from getting your dicks up by a woman. I don't know mr. Casey You're my boss. I know I'm your but you know, why not have a beer just have a have a beer, you know, and it's so hot in here He said you hit a boy back in the day who sucked his dick when he couldn't get a girl And he's like and that's way and that way you get lucky a hundred percent of the time Yeah, that's what did it seem like a hundred percent Did it seem like you can always go cruising for somebody and find them over there

Just find them on the road or something everyone's there's always a fag. There's always a fruit picker willing a fruit picker Yeah, please be polite be polite all the kfc employees are trashed off the rest Well, that's what they said he would have parties at his house We're only the male employees that would come over and hang out in his rumpus room and hang out Which is really gross. It's like when I saw the pictures of the crime scenes after the fact Yeah, um, look they dent my uncle had the identical rumpus room that orange that burnt orange and green from like a 1970s Is that the that's the official name of these rooms is a rumpus room pretty common rumpus room It's a room where you go to fuck young boys and then order them

It doesn't seem like you could do anything else in a rumpus room rumpus rooms is just where dad goes to get fucking Cryptically drunk and listen to his old songs and bitch about his wife rumpus room I gotta get one of those. Well, the jaysie's wasn't even close to the only organization that he was a part of He was in the the chi row club where he was membership chairman the catholic interclub council where he was a member of the board Good catholic. He was good. He became and later on when he was in jail full time He was the the head server for the catholic Church inside of his essentially the altar boy. Yeah, he was very religious Yeah, he was in the federal civil defense for Illinois the chicago civil defense where he was a commanding captain

The holy name society where he was named an officer and of course the jaysie's Uh, eventually becoming first vice president and man of the year Man of the year. I hate the terms that they call themselves It's them sounds so important, but it's just a bunch of stinky old men and dumb vfw halls just rape on each other Oh, and he is and nick you won't be uh saying that when you win the jaysie's man of the year award I'll tell you that mr. Zabrowski, but that's what he would start. He would throw parties for his kfc boys They come over and then basically what happened is is that he's took over uh, what was it? They moved to iowa? Yeah, this was all in waterloo, iowa. Yes, so this is he moved to iowa from where were they where he was from originally

Like he was from outside of uh, chicago. Yeah, chicago We have a lot of listeners out there Plains or left planes or something like that left planes and so it's like he went out the But then he started um, basically he showed up at the jaysie's in iowa and they were like They only had like 85 members that he managed to jump the whole thing to 236 Absolutely when the way he did that was by his stag parties He's like his legendary porno parties that he'd throw with all the boys coming over Absolutely

Well, there's no greater things that binds or builds a group than a series of secrets that you cannot tell anybody else So what happened? Yeah, exactly. So so so what happens now? You know now that he's like he's living the perfect life. He's got a perfect life still has the wife, right? Yeah, he's got a wife remember of all these groups all these boards. He's rising up He's doing great. What could possibly go wrong? Man of the year Sadamene Sadamene charge for assaulting a 15 year old boy named donald vorhees Oh, like jason vorhees

He was the son of a fellow jaycee. That's the weird thing about all of his first homosexual experiences It's in all the whole jaycee community. Yeah, because we're the only people he knew Yeah, because he did also he but that that was what they're saying here is that you can uh, you you can manipulate it all I'm sure it all happened because then later on the way he tried to get out of it was saying that his father Was just coming at him politically and falsely accusing him I'm sure that was his brain the whole time and there were a ton of jaysies that came to his side They were like, yeah, that makes sense. Absolutely. But then he did it with a bunch of kids Did you read all the other things he did that wasn't the that was the one he got caught for

Yeah, wait before that he was molesting boys because what you do is he'd make a sexual advance And then if they said no, he'd be like, uh, I'm just god. Just fuck. I'm with you. I'm with you. He's a clown. Yeah Yeah, he was yeah, he was just joking around before he became a clown though That was before well, I know but these are the uh, you know, he's laying the ground Of clownness. Yeah, it's like being a funny kid in school It's like that or it's like, you know, it's like every guy's at some point been like, hey So I'm just gonna stick my girl or I'm gonna stick my finger in your butthole, you know, and then she's like absolutely not You're like

I'd never do it. No, it's disgusting. But if she said yes, I mean that's going on for the group He got oral sex from a bunch of young boys by giving them $50 and telling them they were doing a scientific experiment To see whether or not being gay was real or not, right, right, you know, and guess what it is Oh, absolutely. Yes. Well, he lowered Donald Voorhees into his house So the problem he's told him, you know, if you come over we can watch some porno movies Which say what you will about, uh, the widespread use of pornography these days at least Perverts can't use that excuse anymore. Yeah, they're not holding it at least now Yeah, 15 you want to see porn you could just go on the internet by yourself and look at it

We have your iPhone because I never I honestly because I never did that as a kid. I never went and watched porn with friends I always just like I watch it by myself. It's weird. It's really weird at the time. It seems kind of normal But well, I weird. Yeah, I did watch one porno tape secrets and lies with my friend Jared when I was growing up That was a pretty intense one. I'm not gonna lie to you. I came a little bit I actually love the I'm so happy that now it's not called like, you know, a misdemeanor in his demeanor Like now I'm glad it's like, you know, it's like ass pound and seven because at least it's what it is I mean a misdemeanor and histromaner is pretty good though. I had one called the shaving of trinity lauren That's something. Yeah, well, you would have loved working at none bush shoes

The shaving That sounds great. So finally donald goes to his father and tells him like listen mr. Gacy He sexually exalted me. He puckered me and he suckered me Puckered and suckered you say, huh? And uh, this also this tells you uh, john Wayne Gacy's this tells you the arrogance that he had And the confidence that he had in his own ability to lie Oh, yeah, he's the top of his game when he was arrested. He told the cops He's like give me a polygraph test give it to me right now. I'll pass it right now. He failed Failed too well miserably. I mean man, he just couldn't fucking do it. So he's failed his first polygraph test

We have a boy who claims that he sucked off gacy, uh, you know, who didn't you didn't want to suck him off He was forced to how does he wiggle his way out of this one? I mean a fat fella He tries to wiggle his way out of it by hiring another kid to beat the shit out of donald vorre He's trying to intimidate him into not with testifying against john Wayne gacy And john Wayne gacy as we've learned before he thinks is if he can invoke his name his connections quote-unquote are so fucking terrifying That no one will dare defy him But literally as soon as they've been like that kid got beat up he went to the police He said this kid beat me up that kid got picked up with the police

He's like john Wayne gacy paid me three hundred dollars to it fucking say so just shot him down the river Would you also find out in every single instance that someone is asked about john Wayne gacy from here on out like once these Once the investigation happens. They're all like, oh, yeah, he's told creep. Yeah Everybody just sells him down the river. He didn't have a that's also shows a lot about who he is and what he did He never had a sincere real friend. Oh, there's no way. I mean how possibly could he but this let you get a little bit further Into the book. You'll see like once people start testifying He did have a couple of people who they did consider him a friend Well, of course, he never considered them a friend

There's no way you would never be able to fully believe that your close friend raped and murdered 33 young boys Unless you weren't that again comes out about ben kissle about what he has supposedly done We're gonna defend you to the end of the earth. I've done nothing wrong I'm just saying when the evidence comes to evidence of what I'm just saying If my apartment is not big enough to hold any bodies But it is interesting and I can't stop thinking about how badly I wish we had iPhone cameras back then because I just can see him ranting about this kid who ratted him out Very similar to toronto mayor rob ford ranting about how he's gonna take the guy out in five minutes

Like a john Wayne gacy rant about how he's gonna get this kid How he's gonna hire another kid to kick the shit out of this other kid would be brilliant It'd be so funny. It's at this time and john Wayne gacy has his first experience with mental health professionals because after They realized like oh, fuck this guy sodomized a kid and then paid another kid to beat up that kid This guy's got some problems. He's got some problems. He asked for a polygraph test that he failed exactly And he's telling everybody basically, you know like because you know because that's what he's like He's like I'll get the chief of police in here because I got him on my phone dial I can call him anytime I like all the time. Yeah, and so he gets diagnosed with the antisocial personality disorder

However, he is deemed mentally fit to stand trial But the doctors at the time say that like this guy is gonna have problems with society for the rest of his life Yeah, he's a monster. He's a monster. He's he is never gonna fit in He is always he's gonna be in and out of jail for the rest of his life But what are you gonna do? Did he have the mustache? He I did he did not have the mustache did not have the mustache The mustache was after his first hit in prison Which came from the conviction from sodomy in which he was sentenced to 10 years in jail 10 years

Again at the same time you can't get a good man down. He walked into prison and he was a fucking shining star Yeah, he wasn't trying and by the way his wife the day he was convicted divorced him And he never saw his wife and he also had two children with this woman. Oh, so she didn't love it So she didn't know But I think it's funny that she waited until the state decided if he was guilty or not before divorcing him Okay, well a jury says that he's guilty did we learn nothing from the prologue Jury is word Word is God

So yeah, he gets in a prison and he's a model prisoner. He becomes head cook at the prison kitchen He uh, actually he oversaw the building of a miniature golf course in prison in prison. Yeah, you know He understands the value of entertainment. He does. Yeah, and his father and while he's in prison This is also when his father these kids were all these guys in prison were they were just playing putt putt Yeah, yeah the whole time in the yard. Yeah in different different times, huh? This is white people prison. This is the white person. This is uh, this is the middle of fucking Iowa prison This is a sodomy prison only yeah only for sodomites. That's the thing for somebody who did such a disgusting crime It's really strange that he I mean sodomy is not a disgusting crime

But the fact that he raped a boy he raped a boy Yeah, I mean it's not an ironic 15 year old boy Yeah, and then he goes to prison and constructs the gayest of all things a putt putt park At least it wasn't like a cotton candy factory. Yeah, that's true So it's a dommer. Yeah, that's what he wanted to do the gayest of all things So christmas 1969 John Wayne Gacy's father dies of cirrhosis of the liver and he does it Like that was the thing he had fought his whole life to try to make his father proud and that probably killed him

Yeah, yeah, I think it was the whiskey in all of the liquor. He died of cirrhosis of the liver After John Wayne Gacy was doing so well and had the family and the wife and the kids his father did tell him for the first time He was like, I'm very proud of you. Yes. I was wrong about you. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah He totally trashed that one. Uh, and of course Gacy when he told his father was uh, yeah, they died he broke down Uh, some say that might have been like that was the first kind of kink And towards him actually killing someone Like that was the first like kind of bent because after he gets out of prison because now he's just he's released of the need To uh, to worry about his father's approval anymore. Right. So yeah at this point

He's just sodomized and cuddled with course. He can finally go to cancun for christmas. Yeah, and the first it's your fantasy That is yours. John Wayne Gacy had a heart And the first kid he talked him into it, you know, he paid him for it. It wasn't a forcible type thing Uh, so I mean, you know, I mean, you know what I'm talking comparatively comparatively He was a poor kid. Yeah comparatively. It was enforceable. Uh, so he does 18 months in prison He gets paroled and almost immediately after getting out of prison, he picks up a kid at a greyhound bus terminal and Attempts to force him to have sex. I just don't understand. You said 14 months

18 months 18 months out of a 10 year sentence. Yeah, that's how good of a cookie was That's how amazing the pup park was. That's what he did. He's like, well, the putt pup park like that We've never seen such a good goddamn windmill. You're out of here. You have to be as funny in this life Right. That's all you have to be. This is the best kitchen slop. We've ever had here at sand quinn. You're out of here These prisoners are having it too good with you around And it's also, I mean prisoners always super sad when he left But what are we gonna eat for dinner? Bye John Okay, and if you're asking why he was never convicted for this, it's because the kid

Failed to show up to court. So it's very possible that John Wayne get this may have been John Wayne Gacy's first murder Really? It's possible Because the kid was never seen again. So at a greyhound bus terminal, which is where prisoners tend to get dropped off at Yeah, always get dropped off at. This is where all the drifters go to and it's like how many young boys Are just hand over fist murdered at a greyhound bus station I'd say 10 10 to 15 percent of them as a young boy who was at a greyhound bus station at like 16 17 I did have a convict try to get me to help him steal a car And it was one of the scariest places I've ever been. Yeah, that's really greyhound bus terminal in dallas, texas is not friendly

Yeah, absolutely not Shocking news shocking news the greyhound bus terminal in texas. It's like why would they choose you as a crime partner? Not saying that you're not Looking devious and capable. I mean you I would definitely choose marcus as a crime partner. Yeah Now that we know each other. Yeah, but 17 year old Oh, 17 year old me. Yeah, that was yeah Yeah, I'm actually flipping a butterfly knife back and forth swing in a chain Ouch ouch ouch. I gotta get better at this. My mama doesn't raise me to be a rebel

So I would board a parole did not hear about this incident at all Of course, you know, it's the time before uh, all of these places were interconnected So, you know, his parole was not revoked. He was on 12 months probation at this time Back then guys, so if he did kill the kid there, but there was no like second investigation being like Where's the victim of the sexual assault? Nobody cares about drifters Yeah, right they run away anything from researching serial killers. That is nobody gives a shit about a drifter You need an address to be investigated in this life. That's a good that is very very true and it can't be street corners No, so after gacy gets out of prison

That's when he puts together a little money with the help of his mother and he buys 8213 west summerdale avenue where he would reside until his arrest in 1978 and where he performed Every single one of his known murders. Yeah, that's what he likes to call it. That was his chocolate factor. Sure Yes So yeah, and this is when he also he uh got engaged to carol hoff who had two daughters He must have been such a charmer. Yeah, he had to have been and this must have been able to turn it on I mean truly though. He's an ugly man. He's been in prison It is not that easy to get engaged

Also, no it is back in the day again if you're a single mother you're a single mother right because I remember it's like my dad was a big Blowhard a big nutty dude And it was like, you know like if you talk with a guy like him He did a good job But back in the day women found being loud to be attractive and powerful Oh, yeah, this is a major problem for currently be loud in 19 again 1965 We said to be loud and have like a billfold and you would get a fiance of a single mother Just hanging out in a fucking Iowa bar. Right. Right. Yeah, that's true. And John Wayne Gates. He definitely had a billfold

No doubt. Oh, absolutely. Oh, this is back in uh, Illinois. He's back on home turf 82 30 what's the what's the what's the address 82 13 west summer day 11 if anyone lives in chicago or that area They tore that they tore it down. Fuck down. Now. What was it the 26 corpses in the floor for us? That was the thing it was it was hard for them to flip it They had to flip it guys from from tlc. Of course, and they couldn't even flip it Now what you can do here is that we can make this an island Oh, wait a second our for some reason I can't my sound man saying he's picking up howls and screams from the four boards ah, well

We were just gonna have to blow this whole place. Oh, the property brothers over there walks in their certs crying They have no place to go Yeah Burn them so a week before gasey's wedding, uh, he is charged once again, uh with battery and sexual assault It keeps happening and it keeps it keeps happening It keeps escalating this time He flashed a police officer's batch a fake a police officer's batch the kid got him into the car Forced him to blow him and then the kid outfitted his whole car to look like a police guy

police officer, are you? He's experiment officer dick hard now get to my fucking job. Party. Please party please. He's experimenting at this at this point He's he's leading up to his first kills. This is when he's trying to figure out What his mo should be what he's trying what he think is going to work best It's going to end in murder and getting his nut off and I'll tell you the police The flashing of a fake police badge Is foolproof? It works very well marcus. You and I read an article recently in green point I don't know if you heard this story. It happened last weekend. Two guys were leaving a bar

A van pulls up next to him flashes a police badge. They get into the van Uh, the the girlfriend to one of the dudes is like, well, that's not right tracks the iphone They find one guy about to start getting tortured in some sort of bizarre chamber The guy had a blowtorch A handgun handgun some handcuffs. The other guy was just cruising around with the dude. So It's do not demand more than a badge. Yeah, demand more than a badge. Oh, absolutely This kid if they are hard if you see an erection, you're not you're not they're not cops or they may be a cop Yeah, I mean you just like there's definitely they need a hat

They at least need a hat, right, you know, uh, they'll never have a barred van either Ask them if they like Stevens a goal if they say no, not a cop. Not a cop. Not a real cop Uh, gays favorite diehard movie. Yes, if they say three, not a cop Gacy got out of uh, this charge because the kid apparently tried to blackmail him Into dropping the charges and for some reason in Illinois That is reason enough to drop the charges against the first guy man white people sure know how to take care of white people They really do And in 1972 John Wayne Gacy as we said before he started his uh, construction company

PDM constructors which stood for painting decorating and maintenance. It's also in the one year later. He, uh Has another sexual assault With young boy because this is when he starts figuring out that he has this contractor business and contractor businesses I love young boys. Yeah, they employ young boys. So he can employ young boys without it looking weird and then he has the Perfect thing of course. Well, obviously would get him off now as being like, well, I'm your boss And uh, you know, you could either it's just like he or Leo said that he's like, you know, it's the thing He's like, I'm very like they'll go a puff a join a little bit and you're like, you know, I'm pretty Liberal sexually, you know, there's a lot of people here hanging out here

It's like we all kind of like to party, you know, and like you could either party with us and that's one thing I want to party with you. You could party with us and fine with that. What kind of opportunities you get if you party with us Yeah, and then I'm gonna get a promotion. No, he's like a fucking republican senator. Yeah, exactly But of course, he's a democrat. Isn't that fun. Yes. He is. Yeah, he's a regular obama over there with his grassroots Feckin campaign to get young boys involved. I mean, that's the thing. He's really courting the youth. You can definitely definitely argue that He's rocking the vote. Yeah, it's like cocking how can change Yeah, uh, this kid gacy raped in a hotel room in florida Uh, and when they got back, uh, the kid I think told one of his buddies and the buddies are like, all right

Let's go fucking get this guy drives to john sauce. He doesn't press charges against him Just beats the fuck out of him on his front lawn Of course the wife asks like what's going on here and gays is like, uh, he's uh, I Refused to pay him for some shoddy work that he did which is another Uh, John Wayne gasey card that he plays always. He's a victim. He plays a victim constantly. It's always like he's he's a Part of circumstances that are terrible and he's an innocent man who just wants to do the right thing Yeah, of course. Well, all these guys are martyrs, especially when it comes to sexual predators. Look at jerry sandus. I mean Dahmer didn't roll over but he understood what he did. Dahmer wasn't a child molester

John, you know Dahmer killed, you know, he still was fucking they were like 17 No, they had to be of age. They were not in a born there were prostitutes They were tied with these prostitutes. One was a filipino not necessarily a prostitute 14 though Filipino All right, so different in the culture. They're so much more mature. Exactly. They're wise Uh, so and of course john mcgasey. He was uh known as a real fun guy around the neighborhood He threw part he threw theme parties all the time. He had one that was a luau one was a western theme party

I saw some pictures of him dressed up in revolutionary war garb. Ah very interesting. It was a really good costume No, he threw some fucking epic parties. Yes. This is what you have to do to cover up your second career Of murdering young boys sort of a roman polanski type move and you ask why you know people ask like man How did he have that many people under his floorboards and no one noticed the smell everyone noticed the smell Everyone said john's house smells bad. Yeah, everybody did They're like, well, they house smell bad, but he was big fat So we just assumed it was a big fat house and it smelled bad. My uncle's house smelled bad They were just because all the kids were retarded. Yeah

And your uncle also this is the uncle with the rampas room. Yeah, we should probably go to his house and Search around some floorboards. Never want to know his secrets. Okay. I don't even care. I don't even care if he's guilty I don't even want I don't want to know. I mean, this is exactly why John Wayne Gates He got away with it for so long Because no one wants to know his secret because they're saying so he's got shark eyes He's funny and he's saying funny things, but you look at him. There's nothing going on behind the eyes It was like my uncle worked for fucking pan am for years hauling luggage God knows what was it what he did and what they all did

They always hire the smartest people for that time at 70s into the 80s It was every father and uncle was doing something crooked on the side. Oh, absolutely Uh and in 1975 he creates the character that we all know him by Pogo the clown. You heard his explanation for Pogo. What? Um, you said it's like you said I got the name Pogo uh because I'm polish and I'm always on to go Pogo That's what he said That's a very brilliant way to uh to come up with a name. That's pretty good You put your nationality in there and what do you like to do?

I go around you know, I I was going to be pomo for being a polish and being a fucking boy murderer Right, right. I know I decided that Pogo was more of a clown name Yeah, pomo is it doesn't really flow and then the description Pomo sounds like a soft white like cartoon character that's like Yeah, I love you Pomo sounds a lot like other characters I've heard before It's like this Oh, it's so sweet

That's amazing pomo pomo. You don't have a penis Pomo the penis was possible. I was born without a penis so I don't need a penis Well, you were just born without the penis. How does your species uh sexually reproduce? We split into four of us You're splitting into four of you What happened to your brothers and sisters? Oh, dad You all died. Oh my goodness under them

It's hard on us. It's hard when we sleep The split ends so it's usually I think the strong ones aren't strong enough to die Oh, I see You gotta be really strong to live and sometimes you gotta kill to live So you killed him That was so much food to go around Right, right, right, right

Well, I'm fairly certain there was enough food to go around you're surrounded in beef You're surrounded by beef Well, John Wayne Gacy uh go back to pogo the clown. He designed all of his own costumes Of course he did uh, he created his own style of makeup, which this is interesting Oh, yeah, that was this is really interesting Yeah, his uh most of the time clowns if you'll notice the makeup is very round Okay, there's no sharp edges But if you look at the pogo the clown makeup

There are a lot of really sharp edges two two sharp edges on the side and two points right above uh underneath uh each eye And that's very strange That's what makes him terrified. Yeah, I mean and he is now He was always weird. That's what everyone always said. There was nothing ever totally right with John Wayne No way, so this is 1975 and up to this point America had a relatively good relationship with the clown. Oh, yeah Yeah, he was still great That he said that he did that there's no evidence of him doing that was like he they said that he performed at like children's hospitals But then when they went to go investigate it, it's like he never did. No, no way. He did. Yeah. No, definitely not

So he ushered in the anti-clown movement. You could he was the first absolutely Yeah, yeah, because he was known as the killer clown Yeah, yeah Pennywise the clown versus pogo the clown who wins pogo pogo because he's real. Yeah, absolutely because he did it Yeah So in 75 gacy finally told his wife listen, we're not fucking anymore. I'm bisexual Uh, they divorced by march of 76. They lasted like an almost another year and he molested her daughters at all No, okay. No, he never he never touched a girl. Girls. Never touched a girl. Girls are gross Yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing's quite like a pert young boy

So there's really no safer person than a young girl around John Wayne games. Absolutely. I mean, he would even look at him Yeah, now I would not look at him. He would adore them. He was great with girls Okay, he was yeah, but then again, you know, what can you do? You know, what can you do? You know, you just either born lucky or not? Yeah, and he was he was definitely not born lucky. He was just oh, no No, he was he could have been fine. He could have been fine. Right. Yeah, he could have been so now he's pogo the clown It's 1975. He's got quite a rap sheet going on and this is when the fifth assault happened Yes, because there's been a lot of gay rumors been going around

Right, uh, this whole time because he had about being gay. He's not gay He's not a fruit picker He just knows that he wants to get a hundred percent laid whenever he goes out. That's all so he took this kid Tony Antonucci Yeah, 16 year old Antonucci. They were cleaning up the democratic party Headquarters and this is when he first starts using the rope trick the handcuff trick the hey Let me show you like I've got this trick that I want to do like check it out And he almost does it. Yeah almost gets the kid but the kid overpowers him in handcuffs. He was a wrestling champion Yeah, that was what's really funny. He was a wrestling champion

Yeah, and he wrestled the thing out of him and put it but then he said the words like Uh, you're the only one who ever get me out of these things and you got me into him All the rest of them fall for it. Yeah, it's like what all the rest. What are you talking about? Yeah, and this kid stayed working for gacy for like a year after this totally safe He knows he can beat the shit out of him who cares. Well, absolutely But then you just blow it off as a big funny thing again Everyone had a funny uncle right everyone got you a viewer a young tight boy You had nine dudes passing at you a couple times all the time all the time you had it, right? Oh, yeah

Yeah, I had some passes. Yeah, this guy's looking at you weird. Yeah going like I mean, I never had anything like that Very very sad. I can't imagine. Yeah, why though? It was because you're a giant red Yeah, giant red monster. I think they want like they didn't understand your body yet. So you're just going like Oh, it's pretty much pounding through your high school. Yeah. Yeah getting in trouble for hugging That's fine. Oh, it's just too funny to have sex with. Yeah, that's what it was Henry. You were too funny To have sex with I was adorable and ripe Of course you were. Yeah, a little apple bottom

Saltering around just asking for it a perfect victim Marcus a perfect victim of sexual assault. Oh, absolutely. I'm very lucky I came out the other side unscathed And you're doing great. So John Wayne Gacy we got pogo the clown. He's trying to beat up a wrestler. That's not happening No, and then finally the the final story is is that so his first murder Here we go. His first murder was Tommy McCoy, right? I believe so Tom McCoy. Um, he to found this again a drifter boy He told him I was like, hey, I'll take you around and I'll show you the sights and so he drove him around Chicago I got a joint. Come on. Yeah, they smoked a little bit some reefer and then went back into the house

And then they went to sleep together. They don't really say what they did I'm sure there was a little sucker and a puckering going on. Yeah, I'm definitely And then um, he wakes up and Tommy McCoy's got a knife in his hand. So he freaks out Um attacks Tommy McCoy grabs a knife from stabs him multiple times And then goes into the kitchen and sees that there is a pan with breaking an eggs in it in two place settings He was just making him fucking breakfast Right, right, right. So he stabbed this kid to death and then it threw him underneath the house And that was the first one and what he discovered was that when he killed him, he came in his pants

And so when he killed him, he realized he was like, ah, that's the ticket. There it is Eureka This whole time buying that's what he's like his penis made a noise. Yeah, very interesting came so hard And then he also found that he enjoys two plates of uh Eggs and ham. Oh, yeah He was like, well, it's enough for me then better have it then Oh, yeah, he had a full breakfast with a slice of grapefruit and a bowl of twix next to it. It must have been great Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. A bowl of a bowl of twix like the candy twix. I love eating breakfast alone

Yeah, so he's when it comes down to it. Well, it's easy for you when you go wake up next to anybody, you know My house is echoing. That's why I like to hear right, right So how long was it until he actually got to a murder? I mean, I feel like he's been dilly-dallying with his sexual assaults for a decade now I mean, he was one of those guys that I mean he committed to all of his murders within what two years And he killed 33 in two years. Yeah, he killed 30 and sometimes he killed more than one a day more than one a day Yeah On a couple of occasions next next episode. We're gonna cover all of them. Yeah, really get it. We're gonna really get into the fucking

Oh, the grimy dirty details He didn't know that he was going to come if he killed a kid He he had to actually do it and then he came he never killed animals all of his games involved a rough sexual play Well, right and time them up. Sure. And that's what got him hard. It's always a slippery slope It is always if I think there's a great majority of people who stopped the slippery slope at at handcuffs If you have the gene if you have that x-factor gene that makes you a serial killer You're done. He's got that x-factor because there are people who just don't discover it They're psychos talking about in business like all they looked up like psychopathic traits

Oh, yeah, and like businessmen and they all have it. There's like it's like some of the astounding thing They have it. They just never got that sexual kick that feeds into your evolutionary thing of survival Like it keys into like well, I want to make babies My dick is only going to want to make babies if I'm killing people So now it's a it's an evolutionary trick now. You have to kill in order to come Like it's why that's what happens now. You're doomed now. You have to do it Well, then what are you gonna do you put it in a turkey baser in I mean you fucking get your dick and balls cut off And you stop having sex you be done. You can catch you get castrated. You're done

That's what you that's what should happen to these people right right if it ever gets caught It's just like, you know just fucking castrate them get them done cut them right off there, huh? I'm right off because that's what's making them do it put a rubber band down there for a couple of days It's the pee-pee. The pee-pee gets in charge. Yeah treat them like a dog there more sheep actually Yeah, all right. You can remove balls a whole series away But you don't have to any animal in the house. This isn't a medical show That's how we're about here. So don't take our advice So we do we want to do a little theater or do we want to save it for the next episode?

What do you think we're we're at an hour three right now? We need to probably wait Let's wait. Well, we'll start off the next episode. We're gonna the next episode. We're gonna begin at the end With a little bit of theater. Yes, we ran and we got too enthusiastic about our information this time But it's just so great. Yeah, I'm very excited for this. Gacy is fantastic. Yes. So next time we will start with some John ways John Wayne Gacy masterpiece theater. Yes. I'm gonna be quite the uh theater critic guys. So you better bring your a game I'm happy. I don't know. I don't know. Mr. Gacy. Is it you sure I'm supposed to be here right now? Oh, yeah, all the guys you like your mother, right? You love your mother What's the best present to your mother besides showing up with a brand new job there?

Hey, uh, five dollars an hour. You'll be able to get that Jeep you wanted three stars The Chicago Tribune says I was scared shitless That's great. Um, well awesome guys and remember there's a facebook page. Yeah, so that's been fun and Henry and I are administrators now. Um, well, I would like to also say to people Let's toss let's get away from just the offensive stuff. Let's get some creepy stuff I haven't seen some genuinely. Yeah, stuff in a while. Yeah, we have some creepy. Yeah, I want ghosts lay off the memes Yeah, I want some goddamn ghost Yeah, all ghosts all the time aliens

I mean, I guess I could provide enough alien stuff for anybody else So I don't want to subject anybody necessarily to look in and some more of that and I'll be on it man If you see if you see Something that doesn't belong on that site like sunglasses Let me know it was hunt them down. There's a new sheriff in town I also wanted to give a shout out to Maria Driscoll who Ben Kessel met. Yes. I met Maria and she is wonderful I was asked to give her a shout out. I just want to say hello Maria. You're good. What did she ask you for? No, no, no ever. Absolutely not

Very interesting very interesting That's right. And who's ever having a birthday happy birthday happy birthday to you And if you have a funeral coming up happy funeral for you Is that yeah, is that a thing maybe like four days or something you got to plan it for about that long, right? Oh, yeah, it's a it's a whole to do. Yeah, unless you're Jewish then you got to do it within 24 hours Oh That's a lot of work All right, everybody. I like to go at my own pace. Yeah

Yeah, absolutely. Hail Satan everyone. Hail Satan Deen. How me and hail yourselves and we will talk to you soon. Go fart yourself. Go fart yourself. Is that a good new one? No, no, we'll leave it out. Don't go be a go be a fruit picker if you want to be Be one just be one. I have John Wayne Gacy was allowed to just be one You wouldn't be in trouble right now. There was a there was a fun little comment section there with our with our facebook page Talking about cheese castles And I said that's when you fart up your blankets and you know make a little tent with them The little zabrowski cheese cast that hurts my feelings. No, come on. All right

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