Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 106: John Wayne Gacy Part II: Maybe He Didn't Do It

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

We conclude our two parter on John Wayne Gacy with detailed accounts of his murders, the investigation that led to his arrest, and the trial that resulted in a lethal injection in 1994.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Very strange dreams in a row, but the same thing last night About being kidnapped by people that don't have any control over me tiny Indian men Yeah, were you watching Gulliver's Travels before you fell asleep? Oh, no, no I was I remember I had fallen asleep in the lobby of a 7-eleven So they were just trying to get you out of the 7-eleven. Please go please go, and I'm just like this is my home Right, right everywhere. There's a slushie there will be I you said I get free refills

And I'm not done you didn't buy one in the you didn't buy any soda So you're stealing the soda forgive me to be forgiven. I didn't know that that was the circumstance of the contract I was supposed to sign Welcome to the show everyone. That's Marcus Parks. I'm Ben Kessel. It's 2014, and we're joined by Who is he? New Year That's great half a boarded baby New Year. Can't you believe it the abortion didn't stick? Unbelievable and how do you feel half a boarded baby New Year? Your mother didn't win

You fought your way out of that disgusting cavernous pussy, and you're here to save America Well, isn't he adorable go with all the flam in the blood there 2014's gonna be a good year It's got to be better than the last one No doubt about that shit. Well, we are gonna continue on Discussing we're back though. We're back. Yeah, and you know honestly We missed you one week off is is too many weeks off Christmas fucking blows Christmas I understand maybe you like Christmas because what yeah, there's a lot of people You know, it's like when you have a toothache and you stick your tongue deep in your own cavity

Yeah, yeah, I guess that's why you like Christmas It's like when you have your third burrito in a row and you're like, oh my tummy hurts But you have to have it is a diarrhea fucking milkshake. I hate that fucking holiday I'm glad it's over. Fuck Jesus Christ. Fuck his fucking birthday. Hail Satan Well, let's not judge people who might enjoy a nice diarrhea milkshake that we're open-minded here if you're into the diary Diarrhea milkshake Back in I hate December. Everyone's just all like People I think they focus more on the presents. Yeah, that's why Christmas is such bullshit people are fucking animals during Christmas

Speaking of bizarre fetishes such as a diarrhea milkshake if someone likes to slam one of those down part two John Wayne Gacy Is there wait a second I hear something off in the distance. Oh my Dad dad is that a flute Pointy shoes a man is emerging Through the miss hmm a thin man. No, no, no He's round as a stack of marshmallows. Oh my Pointed hat Who is he who is he Henry I can't see it

Wow I See I'm not longer than I thought yeah She's doing this slow. She's eating up attention. This is Babs, right? Yeah, this is Babs miss Streisand Wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it send in the club John Wayne Gacy's bad Intro'd by Barbara Streisand. Well, the world is complete 2014 has already been any other year in the history of the world So as you as you may recall from our previous entry into the John Wayne Gacy

Part of last podcast and we ended with John Wayne Gacy popping his chair Popping his old killer cherry. It was quite a cliffhanger. Absolutely. I guess the the big surprise was it says turn of page 58 It was like and then he wrestles a boy wrestled boy turn of page 58. Um goes back to your book that you're the John Wayne Gacy What's the name of the lawyer? Yeah, Sam and Marante. No, you cut to the it's choose your own adventure You get to that you choose to one adventure and you know, he came his pants. That's what I was trying to say Oh, you're trying to that was just a long way. I was trying to say he came his pants Yeah, well what he actually what Gacy said following the first murder This isn't an interview after his arrest back before he was saying that other people had committed the murders

He said when it was all over I looked down at the pants. He'd worn to bed. They were covered with blood But with something else too. Hmm during the struggle. I had experienced a powerful sexual release Yeah, that's when I realized that death was the ultimate thrill Yeah, it sounds like he didn't realize that he ejaculated. Can you imagine you secretly come? I imagine you're it's more like your stab at seven seven, but you don't realize how hard you are and then it's just It's just shooting out of you in ropes, right? Right, that's how I imagine it always like when BTK came over that little boy. I always imagine him Just shooting fucking spider web this all over. Yeah, like a little silly string can that never runs out

Yeah, yeah, the miracle of the silly string I can't believe you got this ammonia shunted fucking silly string hurt my seventh grade birthday. Just keep on huffing it. Okay Gacy said when the guy first This is New Year's Day But Gacy said when the kid first cut his arm because he got into a bit of a struggle with him Oh, the kid didn't want to get raped and murdered. No, he didn't want it Not typical rebellious. What was his name again? His name was well his name was good boy name Jack McCoy This is what I'm saying. John Wayne Gacy referred to him as the Greyhound bus boy

That is disgusting because he had picked him up from a Greyhound bus the actual scenario was Gacy was at a New Year's Eve party with his wife. He got wasted. He got bored He ran over to the Greyhound bus station. He picked up this kid Jack McCoy. He was on a sightseeing tour of Chicago See him like, you know all right and that like half open 70 shirt. You see his collar bone. It's like gee mister I don't know 15, but I guess I can go with you. You look respectable. You say you're a cop. Well, I told you I was drunk anyway Chicago so I mean what could they have possibly done at this New Year's Eve party that wasn't gonna board John Wayne Gacy Yeah, I mean the man wanted to go rape and murder a kid So you could have had strippers you could have had midgets you could have had the Wolf of Wall Street scene where they're throwing little people against a

Dart board. Well, he had already burned through a chunk of the dips Well, thank God John left. There's still a little guacamole. I'm gonna get on my chip Well when the kid and so they fought they go home. They probably just have a blowjob something like that the kid Look at the cup of tea Yeah, all right, how do you like it do one lump or two? Yeah Yeah, so Gacy wakes up the next morning. He said that the kid stayed in the other room you ask where was his wife? His wife stayed at the house of the people who were having the New Year's Eve party in a real bitch real was wasting Just being awful and the kid shows up at the door with a knife in his hand

Gacy freaks out immediately He tries grabbing the knife from the kid the kids slices him on the arm Gacy said that he quote felt a surge of power from my toes to my brain Yeah, and he's great. He grabbed the knife from the kid sat on his chest and just stabbed him in the chest over and over Over and over again and that is when he went to the kitchen and saw a couple of eggs cooking and An unsliced side of bacon realize that the kid was just making him breakfast He was the best prostitute in the tri-state area Imagine you're a property. Not only did you blow a 50 year old with then you made him fucking breakfast

Unbelievable. That's incredible. No, Gacy was only 30. What? Yeah when this happened Gacy was 30 years old He's always kind of had the look of a 50. That's the thing. It's like this one It was this dude like a former like bellhop at the Plaza. Yeah, thanks. You just know how to take care of the customer I mean, I just did the kid tell him. I was just trying to make you bacon and eggs. I've heard that before Yeah, I'll make it fucking breakfast too. I'm making riceberry jam you bitch. Yeah, you're the jam My nuts are the raspberries and Jack McCoy. He was the first kid to go into the crawl space So, which you know, there's got to be a first for everything. He's a real pioneer real Jackie Robinson of the crawl space So this party what we learned from this New Year's Eve party at this point is John Wayne

Gacy left halfway through because he was drunk bored and ate all the food and then his wife got so wasted she had to Stay overnight. Mm-hmm. Yeah, as she was staying overnight. He murdered a kid. Yeah, this is great We should have the case he's over for New Year's Eve anymore John Wayne Gacy's very first murder happened 42 years ago today That's right. Oh my god. Yeah for he's a jolly good Hello for he's a jolly good fan. Is that good? Is that appropriate? I don't know sometimes again murdered the boy and put it with the crawl space there Okay, so we have our first kill John Wayne Gacy is officially losing his mind Mm-hmm. Well now he's just discovered he discovered just that you know, yeah, this is exactly we talk about this is the ultimate deadly mistake

This is him finally Tying murder to his sexual impulse right and it's gonna be the only way he gets off from here on out Can you imagine get that's a part of it too because I bet he's try I bet they're in during the mixture of all of these which is kind of crazy when you go through the Wikipedia page of his murders It is so long because you forget it's fucking 33 separate ones right have all the bodies It's not just a bunch of no names only 25 were identified I mean then there's the countless other ones that could have happened never mind probably the countless other rapes the countless other sexual Assaults and I bet there's probably a couple in there of him just trying to get a blow job

Like literally just being like I got this kid from the Greyhound I'd love for him to just play with my nuts for an afternoon and hopefully that gets me off Right, but I bet by that point it doesn't even make you calm anymore It is a pretty bad oozy surprise when you realize murdering a child makes you come I would not be thrilled with that new information. Mm-hmm. I would much prefer I don't want anything besides just having sex with a normal Cuban make me come I'd be upset if like fill in my gas feel a car with gas made me come You know he's stuck my fucking pipe into the goddamn

Gas hole, and you know what I'm so sounds really erotic I'm certain shooting all over my pants now I can't just go to the fucking gas station anymore right every time I go to the gas station I'm hard as a Christmas fucking angel on top of a tree right right right well I don't know what kind of fail you grew up with but our angel was always very soft Why did you have a big like yeah, oh weird Yeah, I have an angel atop my tree that is giant leather like bat wings They're from real leather bat wings, and it's got one of those like weird like

Druidic like sharp like erections Yeah, yeah, and that's kind of interesting my dad sucks it Everyone has a different Christmas tradition That's a Polish thing Yes, so four months after this John Wayne Gacy. He goes out. He Finds a kid. He tells him. Hey, I'm a cop get into the car He handcuffs him, and they talk for a little bit and Gacy said what's it worth you to get out of this and the kid says I don't I don't have any money, you know, I can't do anything and he said would you suck my dick

Absolutely, that's yeah, that's when Gacy takes the boy to the restaurant where the boy worked at like 3 30 in the morning The kid had keys forced himself in they were in the bathroom He was still handcuffed Gacy punched the fucking kid in the head over and over again, but the kid managed to escape He ran down the road Gacy bumped him with his car And then in which is which this happens every once in a while. He just lost interest and the kid Because he's also on went down and they said the fantasy is broken Yeah, because he's so deeply involved in his fantasy of like he's a cop that all this is real that he's It's hard boiled like graphic novel sex fantasies

Yeah, at some point the kid doesn't respect him He punched him multiple times in the face and he couldn't knock him out so he felt like a bitch Yeah, but that kid went on to make how to make a deal for NBC, which is a Negotiation and at some point when you're driving down the highway the kids outside of the car. He's fat. He's tired It's but probably 4 30 in the morning at this point. He's hammered. Fuck it. You know Yeah, what does he give a shit? Yeah, he's like, well, I guess I'll go drink some more and stick my dick inside I'm running out of gas, but you go breathing the gas tank a little bit. Yeah Yeah, just go down and look in the crawl space for a little bit at a couple of dead naked boys

You're fine. You'll get a fix and if you ask, okay, so this boy got away. He wasn't actually murdered You know, why wasn't Gacy put away for this? The kid did go to the car. Yes, huh? Why wasn't Gacy put away for this? He wasn't the kid went to the cops But for some reason at the time the court system so overworked that Gacy slipped through the cracks and he was let off with a warning the irony. What do you mean a warning a warning? Do you warn somebody? Don't rape and kill anymore kids, John. It's just because you're getting it all the time He was already arrested for for sodomy in another state He's he has their countless other kids which we're gonna go through that he's he raped and then got away

Yeah Well the at that time the states didn't really communicate with each other because he had been charged with Another assault just a few months after he got out of prison But because the two states didn't communicate with each other There was a time they didn't have a vikap system at that time. There was a time in America where state lines actually met something Yeah, you literally could rob a bank in Illinois and drive over to Chicago and just flip off the officers as soon as you cross the state line You're like, well, I can't touch them. Yeah, like a different times What actually happened in court is that his the charge was reduced to the status of stricken on leave to reinstate

This meant the Gacy had been issued with a warning and that if he were brought in front of the courts again The charge would be reinstated and then it makes you wonder why people believe in the conspiracy theories that are government and like actively participates in gigantic like pedophile rings True because it's you're covering all these dudes you keep covering them you cover the priests. You let the priests get away It drives me nuts. Well, the Catholic Church is a whole nother Yeah, no, there's there's a bunch of pedophile reason those have been proven right with the federal government Although, I don't know if John Wayne Gacy was really allowed into the into the club. So let's go into the stats Let's get into these big-time stats. Do you think that when John Wayne Gacy killed the kids?

He put him in the crawl space. Did he ever go down? Do we know did he go down and post mortem ejaculate on him? I think that he did not do any of that. I think it was different than a Bundy. It was once the process He didn't he was he was a process guy not a product guy. Yeah, he's what you call a power control killer. Yeah, but he was the type of guy He's a lot like Bundy in which he's very calculating is very He was probably more like BTK too like he's closer to BTK But he seems like a mix of the two in a lot of ways because he's really playing with the bodies Right, what do you what a lot of power control killers out there? It's kind of two different place or two different categories

Which is where Bundy and Gacy kind of convert or diverge and that Gacy a lot of power control killers They keep their the bodies of their victims either in their house or in a safe place So Gacy he what he would do is that he would keep the bodies usually under his bed for 24 hours Or more either in the bed or in his closet like you did the second good about it or he and then after that He would bury it underneath the house where he's Ted Bundy would go out He would have he had his little special place out in the mountain, which yeah, he'd have his yeah He's playground where you got I mean like They're all like having a tea party and old singing about how he should kiss the girl, you know

Exactly So his second kill was two years after that last he waited two years before killing another Which is again a first instinct of a serial killer like doing is the cooling off period That's good. It's the first thing. He's he's getting right into it right now But at this time he still does live with his wife and that's what you may that's another question You might be asking is that his him and his wife didn't get divorced until 1976 agreed to not have sex anymore. Well, I'll get to all that. Yeah, so they got divorced in 1976 And by that time bond or a Bundy. Gacy had only killed

Bundy would go and fuck the victims after they were dead Marcus So this time he had only killed three kids before him and his wife divorced But he during this whole time. He was fucking his employees. He was fucking the kids. He was a contractor He was bringing that his wife said that he would come home late at night with the headlights off in his car And he would go straight into the garage, which his wife was not allowed into however one night She did get a key to the garage and when she went in there She found that there were mattresses on the floor red lights plugged into the walls. Oh, yeah mirrors on the ceiling Cool and she could smell a sweet sickly odor coming from underneath the house

And the reason why that was is because John Wayne Gacy's third victim. He murdered and buried in the garage Identifies later on by spraying the body form on to the the pavement of the garage If you're the body was laying underneath if you're John Wayne Gacy, though, you could easily just cover that up I mean, what was this the 60s the 70s 70s 1975 so he's just like I mean, I don't even know the references 10 years beyond that But Nikki six for Motley crew. Yeah, he's just living a rock and roll lifestyle I'd be different if he I feel like you kind of have to balance the sex room where it's like it's got to be a sex room and then Have like a gigantic pez collection When you open up the Donald Duck Pez the entire room switches around into the sex dungeon

That would be a ladies if you are dating a man and you are not allowed into a wing of the house or a room of the house Murdering leagues of humans bunches and bunches absolutely you were some aerial cash show same thing at a whole background It's like no, no, you can't go in but it's part of the house that we're in why can't I just go in? No, no, no background you go in background. I tell you to the body What changes what changes go back there no room for you There's no room, but there's a say it's pretty much a mirror You used you keep you keep talking. I tell you dog leash to ball. Well, you know what? I'm suspicious, but it's gonna be another nine years before I say anything to the cops

So that's fine. Oh, Henry, you were saying that him and his wife had agreed not to have sex anymore Yeah, the expanded truth of that is much much more fucked up. Oh, I can't imagine it's not like you're not they're not doing a fucking I don't know what it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't a Denny's morning breakfast where there's like, let's just agree not to have sex anymore He would allow his wife's name by the way Carol Carol. Yeah, so I have an aunt Carol Interesting and an uncle Kevin who is the same house that I was talking about interesting Oh, very interesting. Yeah, so Gacy would lounge around their bedroom completely naked Just masturbating to gay porno mags right hell. Yeah, why not? She would find semen stained silk male underwear like little bikinis

She found some behind her bedroom dresser Others under her bed They would be out at a bar and and Gacy he would comment on quote a guy's tight ass You would openly describe the type of thing the type of young men that would turn them on I mean It's like why did she keep denying he's gay then right? Well, he's not denying he's gay He's saying he's bisexual. No, but he then he says he's no fag. He's no fruit picker Well, of course because if you're if you still have sex with women then but he wasn't having sex with women But he was married to a woman. Yeah, exactly

Are you trying to find logic in John Wayne? He's difficult to do explanations. Yeah, fuck man. It's almost like he's a lying manipulative social So she oh man, you know, I want to I want to see the conversation where Carol fully realizes that she's married to a madman Which he's like, I know Becky your husband's always leaving the socks around John is always jacking off to gay porn in the bedroom You guys girls know what I'm saying and we're like, no, no Went into his red light room where he's got the mirror ceiling and he's got all the boys all the boys in there So you're allowed in the garage too of your house. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's one keep our car. What do you keep in the garage? I don't know, but there's always a chainsaw sound thing going on in there

So I just figure he's trying to make some tables or something like that You know, he's always been a kind of a handsman a woodsman You know what the final argument was that caused them to have a divorce what they were arguing over the checkbook That's the problem finances Money money money money money, that's why I can't fucking turn a kid rape and murder these fucking women This is but that's why I'm saying same thing more It's like when you see these little telltale signs of him taking the body putting under the bed for 24 hours I'm putting into the crawl space all of these things are it's almost it blatantly symbolic

It is you putting making what making your bed back again taking the body put it underneath it It erases the whole thing from your memory you look at it and be like nothing ever happened in this room Yeah, and then you take the body you blank out you take the body you dump it into Essentially what is Symbolically your subconscious. It's like you like the fucking basement of the house like if you imagine a house like is your life You just took all that fucking bullshit you buried in a fucking dirt ass basement so that you'll never have to think about it again It didn't happen and that's interesting that you bring that up. So it is it is the it's where his second half lives This is similar Marcus was telling me before the show his father used to get wasted

Well, his father used to his father used to get wasted and was extremely abusive His father used to get wasted in the basement and he would talk to himself in two different voices. Oh very interesting Yeah, yeah, that's like that's and you know Yeah, I do think John Wayne eating our son John Wayne is gonna be a bit of a queer letter on Leslie. Oh I don't know Hey dad, why is half of your face bloodied and beaten? But that is true, but what is what is that symbolic Nate? It's like the tooth fairy you put your tooth under your pillow There's a lot of like under, you know situations. Why do you put something underneath the bed or underneath the pillow? Like where does that come from you forget you forget about it?

It's all it's just it's just deeper and deeper and deeper each one's a layer deeper He forgets he can allow himself to forget as we're gonna see I mean Dahmer Dahmer kept them all in the bed with them Yeah, he was up in his crimes again. This is a product killer. This is a guy who wanted the body So it's like he's here. He's fucking with the body. It's about the body. It's having that type of control This is about this is this is Gacy living a fantasy to its end and when the fantasy is played out It's done done, right? It's not a sadistic thing. It's a control thing. It's a power thing Which of course plays into his relationship with his father Because it you know you could it could be said that Gacy when he murdered he was his father

He was a strong domineering figure and he was killing, you know a fruit picker in an ironic kind of way. Yeah Yeah, I didn't even think about that. Yeah a man now dad. I'm a man now covered in blood That's what it's all a kiss. I hear those words coming from kissles off And I just see him he's just covering a fucking spare rib with So much mayonnaise. Yeah Love it. So him and his wife they get divorced in 1975. She lives in the house until night They get divorced in October 1975. She lives there until February of 1976 She moves out and as we said with BTK, this is when the ballgame explodes. Yeah

This just is when his killing spree goes Overdrive he got the whole pass from his relationship. He's wearing fucking, you know Hawaiian shirts and like neon sunglasses everywhere just going man like a you know, so Brad I'm on a bit of a honeymoon with myself. You know, I'm saying everybody, you know, it's like he's enjoying himself He's letting loose. That's the bizarre thing I mean, you could make a strong argument that his wife did keep it together for I don't think he could Yeah, she was she kept him from going to the life that he wanted to live. Yeah Carol I just fucking I'm fucking

Smell so within a month of his divorce he abducted and killed an 18-year-old kid named Darryl Samson Five weeks later. He killed he kills Randall ref at a 15-year-old kid a Few hour hours after he killed that kid He killed another 14-year-old Samuel Stapleton and this is what he would call his doubles doubles doubles night And it's it's very interesting because now it's good. They talk about two or visit I was watching a talk about a Gacy and they were saying that where it's you watch a serial killer get Cavalier over time as he kills 10 the first five

He's super cautious. Then he kills 10 and then he kills 15 It's 20 it goes back to that Bundy Quo was like sometimes you just lose the screwdriver Yeah, you can't remember where you put the wrench. Yeah. Yeah, and the interesting thing about his doubles night Is that he would always bury them in the same grave every other kid? That's one scene Yeah, it's one scene every other kid got one grave, but the doubles always had the same one Interesting they would be buried on top of each other and then big then there's also stories where I was reading afterwards There was some evidence that he had some conspirators that there were there is that he worked with there were boys There were like 16 there was quotes of them saying some of him be saying something

It's like you want me to bury him like I did the other five and that they're that he may have Used his secret on people in order to and then they probably just ended up dead Well, here's a murder. There was a murder that happened when Gacy was out of town. It was proven He said yeah, it was that it was proven that Gacy was out of town at the time of the murder And there it was said that one of the guys that he worked with he gave him a signed painting He gave him a painting after he was in prison and it was signed If you you must reap the field before you enjoy the harvest. Are you telling me that everyone that works in construction? Could be a pervert and not only and not only that one of John Wayne Gacy's employees went on to become one of the Chicago Rippers

Which was a group of yeah, see this is a thing because they were because they were having some naughty fun back there They had yeah, there was right consensual stuff happening in that fucking red light room There was stuff that was happening all the basement there They were doing stuff together and then you you have one gigantic secret and then you know your boss is gonna tell you As soon as he includes you on the secret of help me build to bury these bodies You know for a fact you're gonna probably end up one of those bodies unless you help him Yeah, you better help me at that point you could go to the police But you've watched him not get caught by the police for fucking a decade

one of the kids One of the kids completely admitted to the police that he dug holes in the basement He did that he can track quit he spread quick line, but that kid didn't know what was going on Yeah, that kid. I think that was a David Kramm who was Yeah, David Kramm McCoy Samson Kramm Good names so on August 21st after working for Gacy for about a month Kramm moved into Gacy's house The very next day He didn't even wait at least you could have got let him gotten used to the house for a second right right

Well the very next day love to see Gacy just in a for breeze commercial You know that commercial where they have everybody blindfolded or like oh, it's like you can't even smell anything at all It's just like those blindfolded Walking into a crawl space It's not like a botanical garden in here. Well remove your shades Pogo he puts the rope over the neck and like Titans it free and that was the last day I worked in marketing so The day after David Kramm moves in Gacy gets him drunk and says hey you want to see a handcuffed handcuffed trick

Of course always with the tricks. However the kid Survived it. He overpowered John Wayne Gacy was an all-state wrestling champ. That's right Yeah, he well know this kid what he had spent a year in the army Oh, this was the MAA kicked him in the face the only the face freed himself in the handcuffs and he didn't move out after that Can you imagine? He knows he can beat the shit out of him. So this is just how deep like the boys being boys game goes Yeah, it's like you could sit and like you you've made grab ass so fucking normal to all these dudes It's like we don't touch each other when we hang out. I don't try to grab your balls and touch your penises I did take some Molly the other night and I felt like I got too handsy with Ed, but he's so soft

He's just so I just like one big tip. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, then I looked at his face I was like, that's a beard, but if I just like close my eyes, yeah, it's big as yet But just somehow managed to look at the sides of his head. He has long hair and maybe a woman Yeah, it's like that. It's like is it a beautiful woman or an elderly lady? Picture so about a month later Gacy he shows up at Cram's bedroom door and He was definitely intending on raping the kid and he's hammered. Yeah, he said Dave You don't you really don't know who I am. Maybe it would be good if you just give me what I want

Oh, yes, he tries to assault him the kid once again fights him off and finally he gets the fuck out of there You gotta go reports nothing to the police. He's had two what he's had two assaults and one is it right? Hey, all these kids and other shit. Yeah, you know, like All the weeds around all the other shit So I'm like you tell one you tell anybody about this and I'll tell about all the shit that you did No, that is the ultimate irony and the the conundrum of most of the Builds his own population. I mean of criminals if you tend to be doing something kind of illegal yourself Yeah, if you see something super illegal go on. Yes, and the justice system

You're totally trapped to the whole thing and he built his own Hall of Secrets. He did it perfectly That's what he wanted. He he did one instead, but he did it with people Yeah, if you could have one person dig a grave and throw some lime salt or whatever on a body That person can no longer say anything about you. Yes, because they'll go to prison for life Yeah, go to pre. Yeah, exactly. They're done. You're accomplice. So after this he just goes on a bigger killing spree He killed two kids in one night in October 20 1976. He starts killing more and more employees He kills a kid named William Bundy He kills a kid named Gregory Godzik and a lot of the reason why he got like I was reading about this thing

They made a really good point was Ted Bundy known at this point Ted Bundy This William is all Ted's are all right. This was around the same amount. I think this was after Ted Bundy I wouldn't be surprised if he killed that Bundy just to kill a Bundy No, no, no, you don't even think about that. I mean, he's so ashamed to have ever been lumped with Bundy and Manson This is at the same time as Bundy. Okay, that Bundy's spree was from 74 to 78. What a time in America Oh boy, we're talking about the fucking, you know, the mental eggs that were dropped by the fucking MK ultra chicken in 1950 finally coming arrest. Sounds like you sound like Jesse Ventura Well, if you want to talk about a fucked up mind

We mentioned it a little bit earlier, but Gacy said that all of these crimes were committed by Mad Jack Yeah, Jack Hanley Jack Hanley, which is the he got those cop credentials from a detective He knew named detective Jack Hanley and he would pretend to be Jack Hanley He tells when he did his cop act He would tell them that he was detective Jack Hanley. Well, he was obsessed with Jack Hanley because Hanley was everything that Gacy was And he was muscular. He was confident and he boy. He hated gay people. Yes He was one of those guys that just like boy Yeah, yeah, cop who like whacked on dudes with fucking long hair

Yeah, I feel like some skinny kid with long hair and he beat the shit out of him. Yeah Oh, he loved that and you gotta made him hard as the dick in it So that was the man that the alter ego was based off. Yes. Yeah, it was based on Jack Hanley Who's the worst person? I would say that John Wayne Gacy is worse. I think John Wayne Gacy is a bad one It seems like it seems like Gacy just saw the things that Jack had. It was all lie. No, but that's a lie That's all it's all a lie. All of this the whole Jack Hanley thing He said this after the fact after he confessed to fucking 15 different people after he

After he finally broke down. We'll get to that point. But yeah, he this was him trying to save his own ass You know, this is one of like the nine different ways. He was just like, you know, I'm a schizophrenic. I didn't do it I only acknowledge a five of the murders. I got type two dubbits What I got type two dubbits. Oh, he had type it is no way a man with diabetes could could ever commit these crimes Oh, you hit me some fat. You hit me some fat. Is that it? No, no, there's 25 children No, just watch him get killed now. And that's whatever if you've got caught now everybody talking about though. They're being fat is Just The bell whatever it is for bad people boobzabelle is one of my favorite fat websites

So in 1977 in January, he killed a 19 year old kid named John Cizek who was an acquaintance of two of his former victims And this is a guy that also provided a great deal of evidence for the police later on Oh, yeah, they found later on they found John Cizek's ring in Gacy's gestor and they found he was in Gacy. They found his side of Gacy Yeah, yeah, well the kid was gonna sell Gacy his Plymouth satellite But Gacy Now I could just tie a kid up and rape a kid in that car. That is a beauty

And of course Gacy did his rope trick on him strangled him and buried him This is the only time that he buried two separate murders together He buried Cizek with Godzik buried he dug up the grave of Godzik put Cizek on top of running out of room Well, not only is he running a room, but there were friends like they've got some sort of connection to each other So in his mind they deserve they belong in the same grave We're in fact in his mind. He was probably thinking that he was doing them a favor. Yeah Yeah, he was being sweet with the because these are all his checks and balances. Yeah, I think these have checks and balances They really believe well, it's like well, you know, they're they're runaways. They're asking for it

Um, no, they were trying to pull one over me. I got a validated. He validates it and then he he does other things I hope the community I do all this charity work. I work for the you know, I work for the fucking Democrat society. Yeah, I do all this shit. So I killed somebody else if I didn't kill him You know that kind of yeah, but when when he was killing where these are his employees these Uh, one of them was two of those the two kids a buck of itch and and God's a buck of it should have been a linebacker They're all Polish, you know, I know it. Yeah, they're all Polish get kids those two had worked for him, but Cizek was just a friend and Was there any time where any of his employers were or employees were like hey, buddy? Yeah, so where are I?

I had wondered about that because there were quite a few employees of his that went missing I bet the same time though We don't know all the stories. I bet you could probably I could imagine that these are kids that started asking questions It started disappearing and then I imagine that as soon as people started seeing the fucking pattern of like gays He's kind of weird. He's obviously weird. He's not he doesn't hide it. Well He thinks he's a fucking maverick, but he's not and it's like you are You noticing your co-workers aren't showing up for fucking Friday night fucking bowling night You know something's going on. You just get to a point where it's like you just know that if you say something

He just started calling his construction construction company like the People's Republic of the John Wayne Gacy of the construction community And ever just like oh, yeah, don't ask questions. Well Kim John Gacy, you know when Cizek disappeared This is once again a failure on the part of the police department because they had told the the parents knew That Cizek was going to Gacy's house to sell in the car Everybody isn't this the case you want to solve if you a cop. Well, this is the case that gets you fucking paid They're not putting any of these together because a lot of these they don't care these kids are they're the same type of kids They're the reason why they're the reason why everything all a lot of serial murders get going for the longest time Is because they're killing what is known as the less dead. Yeah, like the people who are dead

They're less dead a runaway is less dead sure and you know a college girl And go back to the grim. What is it the the grim sleeper? Like you know, it's like and it's fucked up what looks good on a newspaper like especially Ted Bundy's happening at the same time You got all these missing co-weds go up these hot chicks on the front of the newspaper Yeah, it's like people are excited about that with this It's this it's it's construction workers going missing and it's tied to a guy who's like I mean who knows It's like half a lie and half true how much clout He had like Gacy had with the states and like being a politician a friend of a bunch of cops

He's got his hand in nine different fucking pots It's hard to catch somebody like that because everybody's willing to keep a secret just to keep the status quo running Honestly, nobody wants to think that they know a killer because it's sort of poorly on yourself because you didn't see it You don't think never use that person's wife. You didn't see it or you know, he's being I mean They should have got the fucking hit when Carol slept over on the goddamn New Year's Eve party And he dipped out to go pick up a boy the Greyhound station. Interesting thing about Carol in winter and autumn of 1977 They started dating again. You see they got back together They got back together and he was temporarily engaged to another woman earlier that year

In 1977 he's got money during his fucking most worst face. He was still dating me I guarantee he was exceptionally charming and happy. I don't think he was charming or happy I don't think so. I bet you you could turn it on over a ponderosa steak dinner. This is when Pogo the clown was at its height Yeah, but in the community he was fucking no, I don't think he was being I don't think he's charming I just think he has money. He looks like he could take care of you If you're a desperate like person who has kids who needs to be like needs someone to come to be the father your child Yeah, he's a big fucking asshole. Yeah, he's a big blowhard again, but he's got a shit ton of money And he's willing to dump it on me

The idea of masculinity in the 70s and certainly in the 80s was being a big loud But he's not even but he's not fucking you. He's not fucking you John. We you're going out on dates with John Wayne Gacy He's probably kissing but that's because he respects you. That's because he respects you so much I guess that work. I think so Ladies and tell us the same thing with you would not be able to know of a dude I guess he could have been the ultimate liar ladies who have dated a gay man and later you found out He was a gay man. How did he act? Let us know cave comedy radio at Gmail doc. The subject is the ultimate betrayal Ultimate betrayal subject that to cave comedy radio. Love to hear those stories every woman has one

Every chick that I know every story where I dated a gay fellow at some yeah But you know it depends on whether or not you cut you kind of have to know it or you or they're a great liar Are they just like physical contact if I have a daughter? I pray to God that her first boyfriend's just a raging homosexual until she's like 25 You know, that's fine with me. No problems there on December so on December 30th 1977 he has what is the first of two assault and releases these aren't kids that he was trying to fuck up and they Somehow got free. These are kids that he

abducted raped beat and then released just so strange to me Because he doesn't care any because now it doesn't care anymore. He's again. I honestly I think through what we've known about this man is that it is Quite possible that it's all because of the fact that he's running out of room in his crawl space It's starting to look at it because he looks at things with a weird sort of practicality Yeah, so I think that when he did I think it's literally he's like well I'm about to end of my end of my crawl space space and I can't be killing all these kids

So I'm just gonna rape him and really scare the shit out of him and he won't yielding just disappear It also reminds me of that song the thrill is gone. I feel like he's like done with it You know, he's like he did the whole thing and I feel like he's BB King and heard that I feel like if that Sentin's got to him. That's what the song is based on. I don't think I don't think so. Oh, no raping and beating in a boy Not all songs are about Projected. Yeah. Oh, I see. I mean if we're looking at a serial killer escalation here He is he did actually start escalating with this because he didn't just Strangling he raped him. He tortured him with different devices

He dunked his head into the bathtub. Yeah until the kid passed out and then he revived him Right, but the kid was in such pain. He asked Gacy. He was like just get it over with just kill me and Gacy said I'm getting around to it. So he's got a little David Parker Ray thing going on here Yeah, and then after that he just drove the kid back to where he worked Remove the handcuffs and then released him the kid goes to the cops They bring Gacy in and he said they were having quote slave sex, but everything was consensual I just fucking just blew over their heads like they didn't even give a shit and the police just go man Yeah, that's similar to the 16-year-old boy, and you're a fucking fool. The kid was 19, but it's

Well, I'm saying it's not illegal right, but exceptionally similar where it was illegal in the Dahmer case Yes, it was a Filipino boy in the cops. No, you there was something back in the day where when cops It's boys being boys. It's boys being boys, but it's also gay sex and cops are like, uh, I don't I don't We don't deal with it. Yeah, it was too gross to discuss. It was like gay sex with its own punishment. Yeah That's fine. So the second one is this kid named Jeffrey Rignal He get he gets him into the car. Gacy claw forms him. He rapes. He tortures him Torture was he doing like candles? Okay, some of the victims were after they found some of the victims some of them were found with prescription pill bottles

Shove up their asses. Yeah, really weird. These were these were plastic pill bottles. Yeah. Yeah glass. Okay plastic So makes it better. I think I really if it was glass, I mean, what don't know I mean, you actually probably be better if it was glass because it'd be smooth never didn't break Yeah, but he wasn't trying to do that. He was just trying to fill it up. Oh Yeah, I'll make it gay I'm gonna die. Oh, yeah, you gave it up. I'm sitting on an orange right now. Oh, yeah Well, you gotta have a little chicken. I hope it hatches Gacy dumps this kid

After he chloroforms him he dumps him unconscious the kid Staggers to the apartment and he goes to the police and he's only got little bits and pieces of what went on because he's fucking He was MK ultra, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was absolutely chloro. So he had little bits and pieces He just he remembered a highway off-ramp and he remembered the car So he went back to the highway off-ramp He staked it out until he saw gacy driving by in the black old's mobile that he remembered from the night And he goes to the cops. He says this is the guy and the cops do arrest him and finally charge him with assault Finally and those charges. This is all sitting around on him. So then he released for he gets released on bail

And he's walking around. Yeah, and the charges that he the charges were pending when he was arrested for murder And but Henry, I think this Uh, what happened next really does leak lend some credence to what you said because yes He was out of room and he did attack and rape these two boys But to no avail because this is when he starts dumping bodies in the river And that's what he's trying to mean like well because now it's he's just not getting his rocks off because he's not killing these boys Yeah, so he has he has to go back to it. So he starts dumping in the river, which is just nuts. Yeah, he dumped five kids in the river and

That's gasey's very last victim and the reason why gasey got caught because he killed someone whose family loved him I mean, that's the thing. It's like this is what the men like gasey don't understand is it's like what he was doing It's just like it's you know, you're you're not the only human Yeah, I mean these people are connected other gasey was smart. He did seem I'm sure that gasey knew all these people had families Yeah, but no, but kid had families. He would the families were called looking for him forever the buckovitch kids with parents were looking for him for everyone's listening to pa buckovitch No one wants no one cares, you know, but I mean, I mean no families with any power Yeah, no families with any power, but this kid he was rich, you know, he was definitely from a place of power

People were able to in for the first time He slipped up because people were able to put the kid with gasey the night he went missing the kid's name Right was rob piced. So he had he finally abducted and killed the wrong boy Exactly like he found a kid that you the kid was working at a drug store where gasey was contracted to do work Gasey saw him and fell right in love with him That guy seems to be really smitten over there Now when gasey's talking to where squirrel saying that he's found his perfect boy, you know, I mean, I don't know but he says he's going to do all these counters for 75 bucks So gasey, uh, he approaches the kid and he tells him is like hey, listen

Uh, I'd like to offer you a job at my company, you know, like I think you're the type I see I've been watching your work all night long. You're just the type of tight Big chest long blonde hair just uh kind of boy that I just want. Oh, what's what's your bald? Oh, what's your company all about? Uh, oh, fuck the company. What did I say? Did I say when you know? I mean, yeah, I wanted to work. Yeah, you'll come see you'll see just come on He already has a job this kid. He already has a job, but he's a headhunter. Yeah, but He needs to go get her. I mean, he is he is definitely a go-getter. What's interesting. I mean, you know, gasey He does go out sober and hunt. I mean dommer would only go out after

Dommer that's why I have sympathy for dommer because dommer had dommer was just fucked for life Where it's like gasey is a predator. He's a true predator. He's the worst type of monster. Yeah So he brings rob pys back to his home. He's like, you know what just come on over to my place I need you to sign some tax documents. I need you to fill some stuff out And you know what and it was rob pys mother's birthday that night and he said he like, you know, gasey I need to get home and what did he say Henry? Oh, just like but you know It's something I love more than my mom, but you know what really comes down to it I just need a new kind of job so I could get a that new jeep. I've been wanting. Oh my god

You know, it's gotta take some money. I bet the extra three dollars an hour is gonna be just a type of thing to help you I'm actually kind of sold. I'll take the job too You know, what bet what better birthday present to your mother than to come home with a new job A brand new jab so he gets gasey gets the kid into into the house. He offers him a beer And then of course one thing leads to another naturally and the what that led to was the rope trick the rope trick came out And gasey strangles the kid to death and the next day, of course, you know, this kid would came from a very close knit family It wasn't like him to stay out late, especially on his mother's birthday. Yeah, this poor mother by the way Oh, that's awful. That's awful news to find out on your birthday terrible news

So the boy probably it's the worst probably so the investigation job shining harps in heaven Well, now I feel better. Well, I guess I don't need that jeep at all anymore Beethoven. Thank you, john What was that? I can't hear anything Tell me am I playing the piano? Beethoven in heaven is really just as crazy as Beethoven was on earth weird Oh Beethoven is the last time they like gazing in heaven. They're like, no Jesus after that Beethoven guy came in

Oh, tell me. Oh, tell me young robots. Did I fart? Yeah, you did heaven spells like hell right now. Thank you of a vibration and made boutiques, but I didn't hear anything The only Americans in heaven from now on, okay The investigation against John Wayne Gacy begins on December 13th. They get a search warrant for his house They find a 1975 high school class ring engraved with the initials jas various drivers licenses handcuffs a two by four with holes drilled in the ends Which the two by four by the way, he was inspired by dean coral the houston serial killer killed 28 kids and then by this

1970 and 74 also the cops are all over his fucking ass now because kids are being kids are disappearing Cram came forward and was talking to the police assured and put things to like two and two together Finally Robert turns going like once Robert goes missing They they know that he was a lot the gacy was the last one to see him with the most damning evidence They found with that is they found a receipt in gacy's garbage. Well, we find out because yeah Receives for a photography from a girl that he liked Yes, that he had piced one of pices from a piced girl like they talked to this guy They found a receipt they went and uh

Like they had a different name on it and they went and found the girl and she said that she liked Robert and she thought if she put a the receipt in his parka that would give him a reason to talk to her Yeah, so they knew for a fact like he was there And so placed is actually the only person uh the the only victim so far That I see as an actual human in a weird way because he has a girl who loves him There's a lot of stuff A lot of these guys kind of felt a similar way a lot of these people did It was just the fact that this was the first one that if I if finally it just dawned on people

It just finally happened I finally cracked open and like now he's getting the tail cops are tailing him every day in a 24 hour surveillance Which this is the height of gacy's arrogance like power like the power at arrogant He just starts hanging out with them. They're coming over and hang out in his place He starts taking it out to dinner like just basically because it's more self delusion It's more like being like oh, you know, I can friend my way out of this I can go ahead and get my way out of this You don't think you can come out

We'll have some dinner and some bears and some drinks and they'll understand. It's all big hollow blue out there I mean again, I do believe that he was very charming. Yeah, I'm sure that he was charming at these events He was loud and threw his money around. I think that that's just wisconsin charm It I mean 1977 wisconsin charm is a tan suit throwing your money around and being loud. Yeah, absolutely That is it. That's all you need to do. He brought on one occasion He brought the surveillance team to a breakfast forum and this is when gacy uttered his famous line He's talking about his business and he starts talking about pogo the clown and this is when he says the famous line Clowns can get away with murder. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, you know, yeah, you'd be surprised we can get away with as a clown

You know and a clown could probably get away with murder Ah, yeah Interesting. Well, so basically so this kind of boils down to so john wingasey starts losing it It's it starts to really take a toll on him. How old is he here surveillance? 35 I think so this is about okay. So we're looking at a five-year span. He's been doing this about five years Okay, and so he finally shows up. He gets his which we read from a defending a monster by uh, sam emirante He's a defense attorney. He just shows up one night a middle of the night like legitimately because now he's being followed everywhere by police surveillance His da is is is trying to like do whatever he can to file a uh, a what's it called a um

after david Well, I think there's one they're trying to find us out what actually got them the search warrant Finally, it was it was a in another act of arrogance. He invited the got the surveillance guys to come in Uh, and they smelt the house Well, one of the guys what he did is he went and he took a piss and he flushed the toilet and he just smelt He's a homicide detective. He's like that that's a dead body. That's a dead body. Like that's a dead body And so finally on that Uh, he was finally they finally were able to get the search warrant for the deal was trying to trying to set up a

Um, I just lost it again. Uh, they got restraining order against the police for him And then gasey shows up in the middle of the night They're supposed to have some dumb meeting that he set up to have with them because because now that he has a defense attorney He never shuts up. The only guy when gasey is calling all day every day talking about the case So they're dealing with it and with his defense with his defense attorney. He shows up with the Equated himself with uh, john adams. Yes Well, by and by the way, it should be noted that this was this defense attorney's first case in private practice Yes, he'd been a public defender for that before that but this was his very first very first case and so

Gasey shows up He leaves his surveillance crew in the lobby because they can come into your lawyers Like office with you because there's like there whatever that is there for the attorney attorney climb privilege. Yeah, so, uh Yeah, he comes in here. It's like he he slaps the newspaper down the thing. He points to the picture of rub piece. He's like this boy This boy. He's dead. He's dead. That isn't the boy from the drugstore, but this boy This boy is dead. He's in the river and it turns into an all night confession sense It's like session where he tells with his defense attorney Yeah, he's I have been the judge jury and executioner of many many people and I'm I'm gonna be my own judge jury and executioner

He started doing this whole thing about how you hate the they have to let him do it his way Oh, fuck judge judy by the way. Oh, John Wayne gasey judge John Wayne gasey's court. That's what I want to say So you're telling me you stole your lawnmower, but you had it for seven months I was your lawnmower that was your lawnmower now. Welcome judge gasey gasey Oh, and so he then proceeds he spills his guts tells him everything is D. I mean they're just looking at him He then passes. He's so hammered because he shows up. He's so drunk He gets they basically they're going out to do individual business. So there's two partners the two da's one leaves Left alone with John Wayne gasey who's passed out on top of himself in a chair and he said he watched John Wayne see

John gasey stand up Raises arms up like frankenstein in the middle of sleep that he's obviously asleep frankenstein monster walking around the room Like frankenstein's monster like he's like he starts walking around the room We're like frankenstein's monster in a sleepwalk pose. Yeah, and then goes back to sleep. Yeah, he's got a very strange very strange Yeah, very strange stuff indeed. He then leaves there and goes to proceed It tells everybody he knows and he's killed a bunch of people right He's going from friend to friend and he's telling him, you know, I killed 30 Some odd people crying hugging everyone. They're gonna kill me. These guys are gonna kill me

Right, and then he gave a buddy a bag of joints. He got he had a bag of joints of his own stash He gave it to his buddy. Do you smoke them? That's the question if john Wayne gasey gives you a bag of joints I would I would smoke one. You know it's strong. It has to be struck stronger if to allow Knocked out a boy. Yeah. Yeah. No the kid immediately took them to the surveillance tale that was watching him Right the car the cop car that was watching him and this is when gasey starts getting really erratic He's driving around with his rosary up to his chin He's heading out to a graveyard That police think oh to see his dad. Yeah to see his dad that they think that you know gasey's gonna kill himself

So they end up arresting him on the marijuana charge. They arrest him for dispensing marijuana. They're like fucking get him in jail Yeah, I mean for some reason and for the What about the the fact that his whole house Smelled like a quote. This is what they thought they did not get the real search warrant yet It could be no at this time. They were in the middle of getting the search warrant like this Yeah, they just didn't have it yet. Yeah, they didn't have it yet and you know, they can't they can't arrest him because You know, it could be erratic. It could be a dog. It isn't different. Yeah He's having a psychological break and talking out of his ass

But then you watch him finally you're like, oh, well he had a shit ton of weed we can arrest him on that Let's put him in a cooler and then when they showed showed up in jail Say he met up with sam and moronte They say we're into met him in the jail cell and then gasey turns to rooms being like I gotta get out of here You know, I can fake a heart attack, right? I can fake a heart attack to get out of here And he's like what and then John he literally hits the ground start seizuring They took him to a hospital like he got himself out of jail again. He lied again and got himself out Right. Yeah, I wonder how bundy got himself out of there. Yeah, they're just good

I do want to see i'm a rante walking through uh the jail with like super fly music playing He's got the huge fuzzy bear hat on and shit I'm the coolest guy around. I'm here to see jwg. What's going on baby? Yeah, baby. Oh, you can fake a heart attack, baby Oh, yeah, let me see you freak Just slamming fucking jello Uh, they get the the search warrant, uh is in effect while gasey is in prison The first thing they do is go straight down in the crawl space within minutes They just found putrified remains like they flooded it with water. Well, he flooded. Well, he flooded it with water first

I mean, he just turned off his sump pump and thinking like oh, that'll get him and they get there and they're like Turn on the sun just turn on the sump pump and right within minutes They found an arm and I love this I love this uh image is that the guy that was down there the investigator He found the arm and he turned around and he goes charge him. Yeah Yeah, that's a great moment for a detective And so then John Wayne gasey gasey thank god never saw the light of day again, right? Yeah, he stayed in jail Uh, he did not have a good jail experience either. I don't know. He was he was great in jail He got to paint the entire time and then he did actually become very religious and actually got to a teacher

He was always technically religious. Yeah. Yeah, so okay. So they found all the bodies This they found the 25 in the crawl space. They finally arrested it. Yeah, 26 calls. No 25 in the crawl space One in the garage one out near the barbecue pit where by the way two in the revolver I mean, then they found out a bunch of those bones were just, you know, rib bones from from a rib roast, right? Which is confusing. Yeah, and this is amazing think about this for a second Is that John Gasey was known for his parties, right? This guy was out at his barbecue all the time. So all these people that get dancing on top of a graveyard Yeah, they were dancing on a graveyard. I don't know what it is about that. Mr. Gasey's house, but I could just really move in there

I feel like I can ride my feet move quicker. So like the second half of defending a monster is basically you just like watch like Sam and Mirante just be a total fucking piece of shit Do everything he can to like because he's trying to say that, you know That first of John Wayne Gasey is insane because he did his he said he was like had multiple personality And then they were like, no, that's fucking bullshit. That's not true And then they try to do a so much different stuff trying to throw out the case One of the things that he tried is that he said that, you know, it's possible that all of these murders

were Accidental erotica is fixated. Oh, yeah, they tried to do a whole thing. Just maybe in 33 accidents All those 14 year old boys who just love that david karadine adult sex. They loved and choked themselves until they come Totally into it. Oh, yeah, all of them do. They're not just coming immediately if they see a tit. No, no They need the hardcore stuff And so the trial the trial goes on and it goes on for a while like it's a long trial And the defense attorney in his closing arguments. This is just I mean, this is so Dramatic is that he starts he goes through all of the victims

He has a big poster board up there and he starts naming all the victims And then he grabs a stack of photos of all the known victims And they've got the door to John Wayne Gasey's crawl space in the courtroom as evidence. It's just incredible Yeah, and then jury to be on holy. Yeah, it's a great show. Yeah. Oh my god Yeah, and then kunkle. He looked at the jury and he says kunkle. Yeah, it was a prosecuting attorney. It was him kunkle kunkle never won a case before well, this was kunkle kunkle can't win this case. He's just fired

So he turns to the jury He's got a stack of photographs in his hand and he said I ask you jury to show the same sympathy This man showed when he took these lives and put them in there and through the through the photos at the crawl space Oh my god, bravo The first prosecuted roses thrown at a mention it took less New York Times was there to review it one of the best They stand up, but it was like maybe he didn't know it But if you thought about that is that a door or is that a window? It's that's a door

And it took less than two hours for the jury to go and find John Wayne Gacy guilty I'm 33 charges and wanted to give him 33 injections too. They were like that was like one of the two long What less than two hours are too long. Four minutes per charge. Oh, Ipty Yeah innocent on that one because I do think that boy won Yeah, because they're each one because it wasn't just murderer. It was also How many counts was he with? How many counts did they hit him with total? 33 charges of murder. He was also found guilty of sexual assault and taking indecent liberties

with a child. Which also was another 30. They were probably, each one is also, yeah. So you have to hear, okay, okay, yeah. And then of course it comes to sentencing and once again it takes less than two hours for them to decide to put his ass to death. And so then he began his grandstanding from jail. He did countless interviews. We played it with chunks of them before. Well that's the thing.

He said that he had some knowledge of five of the murders. By the end he was totally denying everything. Yeah. And then his final words were kiss my ass. Yeah, he said that 28 of the bodies have been committed, or 28 of the murders have been committed by employees who were in possession of keys to his house. He said, this is a quote, perhaps my biggest crime was running a cemetery without a license. Ah, that's a great joke.

It's a great joke. He still had a sense of humor even till the end. He's enjoyed himself. But of course in America when you get sentenced to death, you can really play that out for quite a while. He did it for 15 years. 15 years in prison. So he died 50 years old. Yeah. Yeah.

And he was, he, of course this is when he became a painter. Right. His painting sold from anywhere between $200 to $20,000. And he got no profit off of this though then. No, he did. He just went to the victims. No, he got, the money went to him. This would lead to the law then that made it illegal.

That's why they burned all his paintings when he was dying. When they put him into death penalty, people would buy the paintings and burn them. Well, I know it's illegal now for a prisoner to make profit off their crimes. Yeah. He claimed his artwork was intended, quote, to bring joy into people's lives. I mean, I want one. That's the thing. I really want one too.

I want one so bad. That is my prized possession. That's what I want. So bad. I want a pogo. I want a real one. If you got one, you get a line on one. Let us know.

If you got anybody that's making a sale of them, I want it. You want them. The prices range anywhere from $195 for a painting of a bird to $9,500 for a painting depicting the seven dwarfs playing baseball against the Chicago Cubs. You know, and of course they beat the fucking Cubs. The Cubs always suck, lose into the dwarfs. That's bad. And the baseball painting.

Only nine of them. The baseball painting was able to actually get autographed by a lot of Hall of Famers. Hall of Famers had no idea. All they knew was that this is a real, just a cute picture of the seven dwarfs playing baseball. Baseball against the Cubs. And that's something. Is that wrong? Is that wrong to want a painting from John McGasey?

Yeah. Yeah. That's very wrong. But it's just such a morbid piece of history. I just want it so fucking bad. That's the thing. I don't, yeah. It's weird.

I'll have to figure that out on my own. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing that I'll just bring to a therapist. Yeah. Exactly. And so we sentenced to death and what kind of, so, okay, do we want to talk about his prison life?

Well, I mean, we've covered his prison life. You know, he just spent the whole time doing interviews. We talked, he had a couple of, I guess, dalliances with women, just like any serial, famous serial killer. He had some conjugal visits there. I mean, no, he never actually had a conjugal visit. You can't have conjugal visit on death row. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Unless you're married. Oh. Yeah. Which is how Ted Bundy was able to get the conjugal visit with his wife. Because he had to rape somebody. Yeah. He really did.

He really had to pass that Bundy seat on. Oh, yeah. What a lucky seat it was. And there are two, there are two Bundy, two Bundy's children are out there. I believe they're both girls, right? They're not Bundy, not Bundy. Gacy, two of Gacy's children are still out there. Oh.

He had two daughters with his first wife. You know that there's no way they're attractive. Right? Ted Bundy's daughter is probably very attractive. But Gacy's daughters. I mean, you know. If Gacy's, if Gacy's daughters ever want to come forward and talk to Laspank? No, I think no.

After we do what? After we just called them the fucking pigs? I think Gacy's daughter actually did very well. She was on the Drew Carey show. Mimi Bobeck? Mimi Bobeck? I think so. I'm on fire.

Yeah. To the ground. It's a roast out there. Get out of town. Leave the town. Yes. And so Bundy or Gacy. What?

You fucking, he is guy. Every time he just raping girls. Gacy rich boys. Yeah. Idiot. As Henry said his last words were kiss my ass and in the strangest outcome. This is fascinating to me. The strangest outcome of the entire set of Gacy murders is that it led to the creation

of the Amber Alert system. Yes. Really interesting. Because it used to be a 72 hour mandatory waiting period on like starting a missing person's report for a child. Which is totally wrong. And Sam Hemeronte did it. Yeah.

Himself. Sam Hemeronte made this, made it real. So he did redeem himself. So he did redeem himself. He did something. He did again. But he did create the analysis. He's still, he's still a very successful law practice.

Oh, is he successful? Yeah, he's a judge now. He is? I think he is. He's a retired judge. He became a judge. Oh, I thought that his career was completely ruined after representing John Wayne Disney. Because he did that.

Because he made the Amber Alert system. It kind of redeemed what he was doing. In the end he was, he's a piece of shit obviously. But he was doing a job. Everybody deserves representation. I was talking to our friends. I don't think he's that bad of a person. No, he's just a shitty, he's just a piece of shit writer.

Yeah, yeah. He's just a very arrogant, but I think that people like Sam. A lawyer arrogant? No. I think people like Sam Amaronte are very necessary to the American judicial system. Yes. And I did talk to our friend Cena. He was on top out there, the lawyer friend of ours.

And he was saying that perhaps he used it as a tool to kind of set a precedent to get rid of like this. Like he threw all these defenses out in defense of John Wayne Gacy so that then they can not be used so powerfully with other people who are obviously social pass. It's interesting to take yourself from a defense attorney's standing point. It's an incredibly interesting case to take because you can throw anything at it. You go through the most obscure, weird fucking rules and ideas in like legal precedence and you can make something interesting happen.

Well, he was thrown into this whole thing because at the beginning of the truck when how he first got involved in this is the first thing that like Gacy called him up and he says, Sam, I need you to do me a favor. Right. Because at this point, Gacy, all he wanted was the cops off his back. He was putting an injunction against the cops. Yeah. He's like, well, they had confiscated his old mobile.

You know, he was driving his old shitty PMC truck. And so that was the only thing. So Gacy was being retained or Amarante was being retained by Gacy at the time of the murder. And Amarante says that if he hadn't already been retained, he wouldn't take it. He probably wouldn't take it. He's like, I probably wouldn't have done this because he knew it's funny. He's like, he said, it's like, yeah, I know he's like, I know knew my life was going to

be a living hell, but you know, I kind of enjoyed it. Yeah. I mean, that's what I love about Amarante is that he is a prick. He's a prick, but he is at least an admitted prick. Yes. He's like, yeah, I know. He's like, I know I'm kind of a bad person. This was so good.

They read the book, read defending a monster. It's a really interesting take on the serial kill genre. It is this. I love this fucking story. John Wayne Gacy is the ultimate killer. It's fascinating. Don't get into a car with anyone who offers you a joint. Just don't, you know, ask for it.

If you're a cop uniform, look at the whole, I want the whole uniform. See the whole uniform. Look at his badge. Look for serial numbers on the badge. And just, did you do anything wrong? You know, if you didn't, then you don't get into a cop's car. We have some younger listeners out there. And so be aware, be alert.

And no, don't get into a car with anyone who offers you anything. You're just going to be an ash treasure for a murderer. That's so it's not good. It's not good. Ladies, if you can't go into all the rooms of your house, divorce your husband. You got to marry. Yeah, exactly. If you can't go into the bedroom, it is a bed.

It's bad. You're jacking off to a bunch of gay porn. He's gay. Let him go. Let him loose. So we just want to end here on some... But they did lethally inject him. They did.

Did they do the 33? No. Although his execution was painful. They fucked it up the first time. Yeah, it got solid inside of him today. Yeah, it got real solid. And he was, it was a very painful death for him. It got solid inside of him?

Yeah. The prison didn't know what they were fucking doing. And in fact... Gacy's just like, I can just do this myself. I know exactly how to kill. Okay. Can I just kill myself, please? And in fact, based on that, on the experience with Gacy, there was a complete overhaul of

the death penalty system in Illinois. So there were some positive things that happened. A lot of shit came out of this. And it's an incredibly compelling story. It's the perfect example of American fucking psychopathological behavior. Yeah. He's nuts. So before you also leave, I just wanted to plug something real quick.

If you were in the Chicago era, we had a lot of friends living in the Midwest, a lot of people listening to the show. Come see Murder Fist at the Chicago Sketch Comedy Festival on January 10th and 11th at 11pm at stage 773. If you want to come see me and the fucking Lizard and Big Fat Ed and Jackie do some stuff in Chicago, that's the time to see it. And I'll tell you, you have to go see Murder Fist because they're the greatest sketch group ever. It's a full interactive experience and it's absolutely hilarious.

So you're gonna have to see him. You'll have to fucking see him. You'll be covered in blood if you do it right. You will like it. Yes. You will enjoy it. Join the Facebook page. Are you falling asleep?

All right. Henry's hung up. I'm dying. All right. We gotta end it. So we're gonna end on to John Wayne Gacy singing in his beautiful tenor for the prison Christmas choir. This is truly John Wayne Gacy singing in a prison Christmas choir while he was doing

time for his original sodomy charge. Some people form a reg tag team, a football team in prison. No, he's singing songs. He's like an acapella group. It's like glee in there. Yeah. Negoculations. Hail yourselves, everybody.

Happy 2014. We're gonna have a great year. Hail Satan. Haukein. Oh, and go see Wolf of Wall Street. Oh yes, of course. It's really good. It's amazing.

It's great. And then Gacy's head, he's just like, me.