Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 110: Richard Ramirez: The Night Stalker

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

The Heavy Hitter series continues with possibly the most terrifying killer of them all: Richard Ramirez, aka the Night Stalker.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Well, okay, go with a different intro cuz we're not doing that way So I don't know why you try to tank your career. Okay, so I had a dream last night that I was eating a hamburger They had baked pickles into the bread was not a dream was not a dream. All right, that's Marcus Parks I'm Ben Kissel. We got a really creative dreamer Henry Zabrowski. That's what I do I have different types of dreams, you know, I had a dream the other night You were there all about food. I had a strange dream apparently food dreams are about sex

So no they're about food either way. I wake up hard as a birch tree That's the one of the hardest each to each day. I wake up like that. No I had this really strange dream where my landlord came into the room at night They apparently like he gave me a bottle of wine for Christmas, which is true, right? Okay I drank it. I got real sleepy and I fell asleep my couch I had this crazy dream where my landlord like came into the living room and he took off my pants He started sucking my dick Sucking your dick. Wow, you have a lot of dreams about people sucking your dick men sucking your dick

I'm just saying it's food or your landlord That was like a dream, right? No. No, it was not. It wasn't you were drugged and violently molested All right. Well speaking of drugging and violently molesting people today's subject loves drug. I love drugs And he certainly loved violence and molesting people. Of course, we're discussing This is our second heavy hitter third third heavy hitter Richard Ramirez the night stalker himself and let's play his theme song Where is he going to? That's something yeah, are we on I-95 what hi where we on this guy is the real deal Ramirez was the devil walking the earth sociopath

He is the scariest most despicable most evil serial killer that has ever existed on American soil Like I have now completely upon this round of research like it's it's mind-blowing that he even existed It's like he was a Hitler type like he was a person who only lived to create mayhem and destruction There was no chance to save him very very bad public speaker not one with a word So I wouldn't equate him to Hitler per se, but you know, he actually talked pretty well Like he has like a good statement like he's a really interesting idea about the nature of evil like he talks about it all over the place Yeah, so you're fascinated by this man's theory. I'm fascinated by him. Yeah. All right Marcus Well, let's get in to the that was so but that was the song night prowler by AC DC. I wanted to be highway to hell

No, but that's not Off of that night problem is off the album highway to hell I know I was his night prowler was his favorite song it contains the lyrics was that a noise outside your window What's that shadow on the blind as you lie there naked like a body in a tomb? Suspended animation as I slip into your room. Yeah, it's like while I'm pumping myself over the podcast I listen to that prego commercial jingle over and over again And I just like I put on a chef's hat and I fucking trot around my living room

Oh, is that how I get into character for last podcast. Oh, very yeah, because normally I'm very sophisticated and subtle Yeah, no, you're not all right. So Richard Ramirez. He was known alternately He had possibly the most media names out of any of the serial killers And of course the night prowler is the one that he wanted to be called. Yes He was known as the valley intruder the midnight stalker walking killer the screen door intruder All right, what do we got here? Screen door intruder or walk-in killer. What's worse? Green door intruder might be the worst name I've ever heard You mean you mean to really tell me that night stalker like someone was trying to change the night stalker

Night stalker is the most incredible nickname you could possibly have. I want to see the editor for the New York poster Whatever the LA times the LA times All right, who's got some ideas you got some ideas go. I'm thinking the screen door intruder I want him to hear you're fired this silent cougar of mayhem Bob. You're also fired. Does anybody have a name? Thank God. I wanted to be fired. I'm gonna make my own brand of English muffins All right, you're hired. I don't want you to achieve your dreams. What about my nooks and crannies? You're out of here nooks and crannies Thomas's English problem. It doesn't matter It doesn't matter. He also had nicknames as a kid because it was we'll get into it

He's very much so I compare him immediately to Ted Bundy where like yeah talk about Ted Bundy the most dangerous man in America He was legitimately during his reign of terror from 84 to 85. He was the scariest motherfucker There was around he was capable intense unstoppable killer We already even talked about this if he if you just worn a fucking mask Yeah, no one would have found him probably gone. He killed all over Los Angeles. He drove to San Francisco We're gonna cover everything of course, of course, but he also had nicknames growing up They called him Deidos and they called him it was a Ricky Rabon Yeah, which is means Ricky the robber Ricky the thief and just like Ted Bundy

He grew up in a semi-normal like he's a group with a semi-normal family, but he was a constant thief We'll get into the family semi the emphasis on semi-normal, but I would say in Bundy's defense I think the Bundy was a little bit superior just because of his the length of his reign number one and he crossed state lines I don't know. I don't know Bundy Bundy was extremely organized. Richard Ramirez was not That's what made him more dangerous He Richard Ramirez. It's also what makes him a better. Okay, Cupid date Spontaneity having something to say a drop of fun on how about we How about we break it through San Francisco and break a seven-year-old? How about we don't that's another good idea

but no he he held Los Angeles in a grip of fear convicted of killing 13 people proven to have killed 16 and was suspected in another four Yeah, all right, so let's get into it Marcus What happened to this guy at a young age that possibly prompted him to become first of all vicious serial killers in American history? It's it's El Paso right that he was born. He's born El Paso. Yeah, so yeah the Alamo song right whatever it is You know down in the West Texas town of El Paso. I fell in love with a Mexican girl And then this guy came into our apartment

I was really in love with her. He stabbed her a bunch of times in front of me and then he cut my throat out too So it was really bizarre Marty Robbins my friend one of my favorites. That's the that's the uncut Marty Robbins El Paso, so he was born the youngest of six Okay, yeah face, please have some respect for our Spanish listeners. This is goes out to you guys This is right as a matter of fact. Yeah, this is probably I'm gonna say it perhaps out of ignorance, but I would say that this is the greatest Hispanic serial killer that we've seen in America in America absolutely because they have the South America has some pretty intense massive like the child killer I forget his name is like Eduardo something he killed something like

230 orphan kids, but the thing is they don't count orphan kids because they're just shadows sure and I think that's rude You gotta count kids But yes, so Richard Ramirez his father was named Julian Ramirez and his mother was named Mercedes. So they're Polish His father was extremely violent. He had that old Latin temper as they say I feel like again It's just the time it's the immigrant parents. You see that a lot like it's it's you just got beat There are a lot of people who get beaten don't turn into the most vicious serial killer of all time I would argue that I did not grow up in the most peaceful of households and at no point

Did I? Decide to go through somebody's a screen door and and rape and murder there and you I mean you've never done it never done it Yeah, yeah, well not all there is a lot, but I do think I mean this is all but this is very common with these serial killers Everyone's like, but their father was mean to him back in the day. I was it was a nice being a kid kid Is it being a kid is essentially being a slave you're owned by your parents you put in a giant prison institution That is a fun at school. I don't want to be a kissle a kissle Must be a kissle. Yeah, Jordan. Yeah, Jordan be a one of the Jordan family. Yes. That's a great last name That's my middle name. That's a nice middle name Marcus Jordan Park. Yeah, I wanted to be Sanchez

Yeah, Enrique Sanchez, but instead Henry Zabrowski. Oh, yeah, it's unique. It's fine so at the age of two years old he had the first of what happened to many serial killers and they were young children the first of two Massive head injuries. Oh, it's really interesting because the John Wayne Gacy had the massive head injuries This reminds me of a story when I was a kid. I used to somersault into the same corner of the wall Does that what reminds you of that? Yeah, I thought of it. Were you just a giant autistic monster? Yeah, sort of like a melon head Referencing the last episode melon heads the greatest of all the freaks a dresser fell on top of Richard Ramirez

When he was two years old took 30 stitches to stitch up his forehead Three years later when he was five he was knocked unconscious by a swing at a park Which I believe was the same thing that happened to John Wayne Gacy. That's right. Yeah, yeah And he's start and Ramirez started to experience epileptic seizures eventually stopped and he was in his early teens I was watching the great Richard Ramirez born to kill. I love my favorite serial killer Great Richard Ramirez born to kill. No, it's it There's a UK series called born to kill, okay, which is my favorite serial killer. It's a great serial killer documentary series It's a great documentary and they were talking about in elementary school

They interviewed a woman that grew up with him and she's like Ricky always used to sleep behind me He stayed me with his pain cell and I go stop it Ricky and stop it and he go no me No stop and those you know me with the painful and then he fall down. He's shake He's shake like for a minute You a little kid story, you know, that's just a cute Richard Ramirez story Yeah, I'm a dozen Ricky always telling jokes walking me to school. She was very sweet. Very gentle little exceptionally lucky. I mean be poked by a pencil She has that sort of eternal housemaid

Accept The woman that used to clean up my parents office and sell us tamales. I love a good tamale Yeah, I love a good worker and thank you Could be racist if it just was real. Yeah, her name was Rosa. Yeah She baby sat us sometimes. She had chickens. It was wonderful and Rosa was a wonderful woman and all of our hard-working Public servants out there. Thank you for what you do if you're a house cleaner. You're trying to Mexicans That I respect people of course have jobs that I could literally never do because I'm a messy American pig

Let's get I'm just thanking people who have jobs It's around this time in his early teens when he also started sleeping in a local cemetery to escape his father That's but I used to do that with a girl. I did it in college. We used to go hang out in a cemetery. It's awesome Yeah, yeah, I think I'm sorry is a lie, you know girl. Yeah, I dated plenty of girls David but even Dated now now if I stare at you for 35 seconds, so we're gonna know hey Um, do you want to do this burrito a lady in the tramstown fucking nevermind? I want it for myself Yeah, so impression of me. Thanks to me. I

Want to see you burrito with a lady lady in the trip. I will fucking marry the woman who wants to do it. Oh, yes, indeed So what was at absolutely more influential than sleeping in cemeteries was his cousin Mike and cousin Mike It's like do you have you ever seen? Um, you everyone has seen Tommy the who's Tommy? Yeah Yeah, it's kind of like um, what's his name? Uh cousin Eddie feeling about I don't think I've actually seen that yeah, that sounds great now cousin Mike So he was a very good cousin to him and he taught Ramirez all the wonderful ways been an upstanding citizen I mean, well, he was a cousin and he taught him a lot of things Oh, okay, thanks. He taught him many things. It was a former green beret. He is what in what war was my Vietnam

Oh, so no the bad one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he brought back from Vietnam Polaroids you ask what were these Polaroids up? Let me get him helping children spring rolls. Is that right? I'm just a good old comrades in the long. Yeah, it was Instagram Yeah, look at my food. Just mimosas. That's great. No, it was him raping Vietnamese women I it was him decapitating Vietnamese women him torturing Vietnamese women selfie I put a sepia filter on this dead woman weird And of course, he's also the guy that introduced Richard to marijuana. Oh, I mean the marijuana should have helped him And you either felt you wouldn't think with the seizures and things that I mean, it was a gateway thing

You know his seizures did stop around the time that he started smoking marijuana There's a lot of people that it's been used in Parkinson's research and stuff. I got it's great And you ask what did Mike teach him Mike taught him about his combat experiences including stealth and Secrecy not a kill someone in one shot. I had to kill someone. It was like a big brother program for serial killers Yes, yes, if you want to become a serial killer, you need a cousin Mike. Yeah, absolutely And in 1973 on May 4th That's when Mike finally lost his mind and right in front of little Richie as they called him Mike shot his wife in the face in the face

No, well, then that's what I'm saying too that the thing about is like this process started when when Richard Richie was When he was 12 and so there is again when we see over and over again the sexual impulse at this point like your sexuality is changing His cousin was like this is how you get sex you take it you look you take you kill you rob you murder It's about that he creates this image in his head And that's where like where Richard has to meet him halfway has to meet the impulses halfway instead of being Disgusted and being like what the hell you doing cousin Mike. He loved it. It made him hard Yeah, I mean Mike obviously he looked up to him

So Mike shot his wife in front of him and you know what I think it's interesting whenever we do this and this is why I Love our heavy hitters episodes. You never heard Richie Ramirez Who hugs you when you walk into Walmart like that's Richie Ramirez He's like playing It's gonna be a whole different I love Lucy He's like tied up by the by the fucking The ankles and he's cutting a pentagram in her chest. Right. Well, she messed up at the chocolate factory. So obviously she really like Lucy Yeah, he's murdering her

But it is fascinating because you just never hear these are these are children. Yes, he's 12 years old and Obviously, you know, I think I think he was born a sociopath. He was born That's the question comes up all the time. He was born with the perfect serial killer deck. He was born again Yeah, yeah, but of course Richie does sort of humanize him in a very bizarre way Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, Richie makes him seem because he was a kid I was even I was sitting and I was like reading and I was like, it's that dumb thing always that they say of like all these people used To be kids. They were all kids at some point. You gotta kill all the kids You see you can't kill them now. You've got to murder them now before they murder you there's a serial killer eggs walking around

Yeah, they're learning their letters and they're learning about colors and they can write helter skelter on the door when they murder your family You're talking about the things that build a serial killer, right? Yes, so far We've got of course. He was born something was off then he has the head injury then he has cousin Mike And he's a father beating the crap other stuff. He didn't do the bed wedding He didn't do animal torture not that we know of not that we know of yeah And then another piece falls into place, which I think I mean this is very underrated as far as what contributed to him becoming the Night Stalker he moved in with his sister Ruth and her husband was a notorious peeping Tom Yeah, he would take Richard a fucking 13-year-old kid along with him on peeping Tom expedition

So some parents some parents take their children to work, you know CEO of Whole Foods, you know come and see how I run a company. Yeah This is how you stand on the garbage can you can see the girls bush in there I'm just so bored. I don't think I have the patience for it Shut up Richie. You'll get used to it. I like it and it's also around this time that Richie began experimenting with Acid for the first time around ninth grade is when he started experimenting with acid and it's also when he started getting into Satanism and into acdc his favorite favorite Which rules

I've just never listened to acdc and been like I'm gonna take these lyrics serious Follow that highway Acdc is just meant to like, you know shotgun beers to exactly it's not supposed to be it's hard party And you're supposed to be like waving your shirt around your head And it's good like having like a girl named Rosie on your on your shoulders. I never saw a pair of boobs. It weren't covered in beer Yeah, that's acdc. That's acdc. Yeah, but the he Again, though There are people that did acid when they were younger because acid when I started taking acid and doing hallucinants

You have that idea of like universal consciousness. You get all hippie The last thing you want to do is be splashing blood all over your stab a woman to death It seems kind of intense. It seems awesome. I don't even want to have a five-hour energy drink into acid That's right because it's too much I can't even have a conversation over like can you get me a beer from the fridge? I'll just get it myself I don't want confrontation None yeah, but obviously he saw the world in a different way. Yeah, he got fueled into it Yes, he did became a distancer and it's a little like involving himself for the universe

It distance him from reality very interesting and that's it. That is a bizarre I would say not the norm of most psychedelic psychedelic drugs. No, he did wrong do make you, you know relatively I'm at one with the world. It's supposed to do that right like it's not supposed to turn you into a serial killer So we got double brain drama. We got a father beating him. We got Mike shooting his wife in front of home We got him sleeping in graveyards. We got marijuana Fucking Eagle Scout system of being a serial killer thanks to his family and the train peeping Tom And before he was even out of high school. He had his first rape Yes, but he didn't get convicted

I get for that. Do you get it? I mean cuz yeah, I don't think you get a cord at graduation No, he worked at the holiday in and he got a key card to one of the rooms forced his way into the room and Tried to wait to rape the wife while the husband was out of the room the husband comes back finds him doing it beats him Unconscious yeah beats the ever-loving piss out of him. Richie. How long did you think it was gonna take him to get the fucking ice? Well, the big thing is also is that Richard Ramirez. It's not that big of a guy. No, he's like he's weedy. He's really he's about my size He's your size. Yeah, he's my height my weight, right, but you're just like you. Yeah, it looks just like you He's got much prettier hair than I do

Say what you will about Richard Ramirez. His hair is beautiful. He's got some beautiful hair. Yeah, no, but he That's a problem. So that's why from then on. I'm sure that that failed rape was a thing that went through his head Forever of just being like I will never be out of control. Yeah, that needs to be a perp plus commercial Here is doing this shiny like hair thing. Yeah, yeah, even in prison his hair was immaculate. It was it was it's just You know, some people are born with stuff with it a lot of stuff. He was born You know, many nice, you know, many nice guys are out there that are that are bald. That's rude. Yeah, I have I've had back hair since I'm nine. That's right. Yeah, that's not right. That's it's terrible. It's terrible There is the reason why the rape never why he was never convicted for he was never even charged with it because the couple refused to testify

Which was a big thing. Well, no for years for decades rape charges wouldn't go to trial because the victims wouldn't want to go through the humiliation Of an actual try and testify you because back then especially before like, you know Victor blame has been going on for so long and please offers like, yeah, so what'd you do to make him do it? You know, it's like over and over. Well, you know, it's so fascinating I did grand jury duty in Kings County, Brooklyn here and I'll tell you Williamsburg is not Brooklyn Much more like Williamsburg, Virginia as I like to say very white, but we white Sure, sure, fine. Sure. Sure. Sure. What is Virginia? But it was it was disgusting. We had to watch a 15-minute sexual assault the man never actually got to rape her

But it was it was violent enough way. You said never got actually never did I took it a different way. I mean, I chose to give him the better I just I mean, I could have taken it that way, but I chose to give you the benefit of it out markets Not thank you, but so we watched this and I'm thinking grand jury duty We'll just send this right to trial. It won't be a problem literally The first four questions were from like a dude from Barbados Hispanic guy and they're like, why was she out so late? Why was she wearing a dress that's why was she drunk? Why was she alone? I freaked out and I was the scary white guy from then on

Oh, yeah, that's what you got to do. You got to play that card every once in a while And this is of course 2013 at the time and you can imagine late 70s. We're where the what the stigma was on rape Oh, yeah, my guy and so this poor woman and this how old was he when that happened that was like what 16 16? Yeah, he was in high school. Yeah, I mean because of course he was a high school dropout Yeah, he did not graduate. He did not graduate Which is another one of those things where you know when they do like these people didn't graduate from high school, right? It's like Jim Henson John What was that interview like when he got the job for holiday and I just like to see what everybody looks like when they're sleeping Well, we love good customer service. That's right. Can you imagine a better job for that? He's a peeping Tom

All he wants to do I mean you get a massive door intruder because yes, how many times like I've lived at a hotel So you spend a lot of time in hotels. You treat it like your house, right? You forget that you have a human being I don't have it like you know you come into your house. You leave come everywhere Yeah, you're like in a hotel room You're just you're nasty the rooms because you're just living in private and they walk right in there and if you could just They play with your stuff if you're a listener and you have any like made experience or any sort of like a hospital or Any any experience where you walk into random people's rooms? I would love sending your horror stories because I'm sure you've seen some fucked up weird shit

No, but what a great job for a young Richie to have yeah, really really struck gold with that He did yeah, well after he fucked it up by trying to rape a woman. Oh, yeah At 18 he moved out to Southern, California where he would live out the rest of his days Get a new place and get some drops step step step step step step step step step step step step step step step step step step step step I actually do think that that was that what's the name of the Beach Boy? What I'm Wilson. I think that was Brian Wilson's lyrics for that song Mike yeah, Mike love is just calling like hey a Brian man I don't want to step on your groove or nothing, but I think we need to give a second revision to these lyrics because this is

About being a serial killer and if we should be writing about surfing in cars Well, I mean I wouldn't surprise you to know that Richard Ramirez did not have the best diet in the world He lived on convenience store food his teeth rotted out and he suffers something to a Ted bunny doing the high sugar diet Defense yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, so yeah Richie's Richie's fucking teeth were rotted out of his head and he had horrible halitosis Which was something that almost every victim who survived would pin on him Bad breath and so he went to skid row and it became like skid row la Became his perfect home all he did was drugs and party and fuck prostitutes and hang on in skid row steal stuff

Steal cars and this at this time skid row. It was much like Times Square of New York. I mean it was actually Where people and it's just out of prison wet barely any better It's barely any better now I drove down there because I look because the where the hotel where he lived yeah Was where that Asian woman went missing like last year that was found in the water Yeah, I found in the water well above it. Yeah, that was the same hotel And so I drove down there and that place is a fucking nightmare. It's a it's still exactly the same. It's a huge War zone. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, it's violent stuff

You know what? We really don't know much about the first three years that Richard Romero has lived in Los Angeles Yeah, it's kind of like when Jesus disappeared 33 yeah, yeah, we don't really know a whole lot about right right right right so most three years into the pizza Well, he no doubt had a lot of breaking and entering at this time and we don't know if he raped anyone We don't know if he killed anyone although if he would have killed someone he would have told us about it Yes, he was not shy about talking about what he did. He was spread. It was spreading his satanic message Yeah, that's a one thing about him. He has it was Satanism yet. No, he has he had since he was 12. Yeah Oh, yeah, well about 14. Yeah, he is a person that actually had that's why I was saying it's like when you listen to him talk

He really did have a point of view like he felt that he was doing what he was doing for purpose Which is basically saying like everybody lives in a prison. I'm the only free man. You'll meet of course I mean you're getting that from the Mori Povich clip No, but there's another interview that he did that it's the same he said the same exact thing He loves to talk this will be a well I mean I suppose this will be a we're doing our last podcast on a live show tonight and there are some great Mori Povich Interview footage with Richard Ramirez. Those big fat people in that audience don't like Richard Ramirez No, they don't it's just scowls. It just covers the audience and it's just people's going like I can't believe

It is so bizarre because you're watching this man who has murdered multiple people He's an awful human being that needs to burn in hell forever and you look at Mori Povich and you're like he's worse You're you're the other side of the war so you're the devil and then you just have fat audience members all over No, it made Richard Ramirez look reasonable. It did it's it's awful Anyway, so Richard Ramirez is on us get around three years hanging out hanging out and his first murder We actually did not find out about his first murder until 2009 when DNA evidence linked him His first murder was a nine-year-old girl Yeah, you notice now too. It's like his first because did he sexually assault her too

Did it start with that or did it escalate to that? I believe what do you mean? Did he start sexually because he didn't really escalated a murder, you know He didn't start including sexual assault into his murders his official murders until like four in yeah Yeah, it's like I'm certain I'm certain that was really easy because you notice It's this kind of the same thing that you'll see with the Boston Strangler, which we'll cover at some point He preyed upon very easy people to murder like he went after the elderly and Alone people single women like he went off or anybody that was easy to get yeah I mean not always I mean sometimes he he would pick houses at random

There were a couple of times where he attacked couples like nice. Yeah, but it's kind of like if you're on a home run streak You just swing in a bunch of pitches. Yeah, he's just on fire. Yeah. Yeah, you can't miss. It's like It's like when Michael Jordan scored that 50 points. It's just like that He saw the hoop was very big and the ball was very small and he just threw it right in there So his second murder was an old lady named Ginny Viscow. He stabbed her repeatedly while she was asleep He slashed her throat so deeply that she was almost decapitated And that's what we're saying did not rape her though and before he got to a second murder though He moved over to kidnapping and raping little girls for a little bit. The first one was a six-year-old girl

He took her from got it in there. So he took the little girl stuffed her in a laundry bag Molested her and then dumped her in a nearby location. I mean the worst form of Santa Claus He's like the boogeyman. Yeah, like the old man like get my gun. He's a little girl. Yeah That's that's a fucking monster He was and then it was a big thing is him testing the water and finding how fucking capable and evil he can be You were and then he also jumps M. O's like he does Real close it's really interesting because the next one he shot that woman in the head the next one He goes to Maria Hernandez and Dale Ozizaki who were roommates Maria Hernandez. She's coming home from work one night

She pulls into the garage Richard Ramirez He sidles up and this is by the way after he had raped and killed or raped and dumped another little girl This is all in the same night. No, no This is over the little girl was in February of 1985. This is less than a month later Well, his first kill the first kill that happened of the of the seven-year-old woman that he nearly decapitated That was in like March of June 1984 So he had like a six-month Like what would they call hibernation periods? Yeah between and then he turned it on like once

1985 turned over he ran 1985 just real quick Marcus a question for you I so you said that he always confessed to the crimes with DNA evidence in 09 got him a Yes convicted of another crime. He never confessed to killing the nine-year-old girl. He never did Okay, so maybe he did feel a little bit of a guilt or shame for murdering a child Yeah, I don't think you did because no because I mean the last crime that we were we'll get it into the second Maybe it was sort of like when he does he purposefully rapes an eight-year-old boy like he's no he's not he has no scruples No, no, he's not he feels not an inch of shit. I bet he just forgot that he did it

Yeah, there was a period of time that he was doing lots of fucked-up shit I'll be like three hour that that three-year time period that there's no official news on him He was probably out doing everything now Marcus my second question to you. Is it possible that this girl? Was the rainmaker from this from the movie Looper? What is it what rainmaker from the movie Looper? What are you making fan fiction Looper? Are you just like I'm talking right? You're just writing science fiction Yeah, it's like saying like oh, yeah, it's in the Harry Potter and Hermione double-team fucking Hogwarts or whatever that guy's name is

Double door was there. I don't know The movie Looper, you know who could have stopped this whole thing was Eragorn Eragorn could have stopped that right don't bring the Lord of the Rings Don't bring it. I'll use the nine rings of men All right, so he's on a tear. He's on a tear and in 1985 this is when he really starts to run he attacks Maria Hernandez 22-year-old girl with a 22 caliber handgun This woman possibly the luckiest serial killer victim in the history of serial killer victims Yeah, Richard in Marys pulls out the gun. She brings her hand up to defend herself

She's got her keys in her hand and the bullet ricochets off of the keys She goes down and plays dead under Marys goes inside finds Dale Ozazaki who's 34 when she heard the gunshot she ducked under the counter and Finally when she checked to see if she was gone peaked up her head a little bit Still there back Because then you see this is like again not like any other serial killer He started off with a very personal like chaotic murder and then did a gunshot kill Which is just like where is his head at?

He's obviously testing what he wants to do now like yes cuz it's the other because you look at the differences It's you got a fucking Ted Bundy or you got son of Sam or it's on a Sam Just shot everybody because he had a mission it was about the mission and then Ted Bundy It's all about getting your dick hard. Yeah, but then he's just discovering. Oh, man. I like all this shit I'm like a bow Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right a jack of all trades. Yeah, and son of Sam overrated Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah, we all know that. I don't even know if he I don't think that he actually classifies as a heavy hitter He just got the he's got like a character to him. That's why that's the thing about him And he made New York really scared. He did we might talk about him, but anyway, let's get back to Ramirez here

So he's a man of his time. Yes, and yeah, what's the name Johnny winter that I'll buy no Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh You had a very specific time period that he was relevant not still good chords So are these the first two women that he is killed with the gun? He only killed. Yes, absolutely Was a knife. Yeah, and the same night one hour later And he does this a lot where he'll go out and just immediately he'll go for another one he found this girl her name was Veronica you he stopped the car put his car in a park walked over to her car pulled her out of the car called her a bitch and

shot her in the fucking head we know that he called her a bitch because that's what you hear it over and over again yeah all the people that survived him said that that was just like I know it's like it's very strange but that's part of what like led to getting him was that he said shut up bitch to every woman he murdered everyone's gotta have a like everyone's gotta have a motto you know John Wayne Gacy what people didn't really know is he had a really fun catch phrase it was like oh there goes the Cheerios like every single time he shot it and he strangled a boy and he came all over himself was the Cheerios yeah

was the Cheerios okay well Richard Ramirez in fact in the lineup after they arrested him and they were trying to find witnesses bitch was one of the things they had him say in the lineup and I see that's why I would be going like is that what you want to hear me all your mouth or I'll kill you bitch and Ramirez delivered the line perfectly yeah exactly as exactly as he said like a rather than regular Russell Crowe oh yes indeed although probably a better singer I heard a lot of negative well the next murder or the next couple of murders actually this is when his emo really starts to take shape and this is

when he starts to get really really fucking brutal yes breaks into the house of these people known as their last the Maxine and Vincent Zazzara he was 64 she was 44 his first the first three there they were all Asian right I know they were all Asian they were Spanish Asian so I mean Spanish it was Asian Spanish well are these and what kind of class of people is he killing here low class anyone and then it was all because then he started neighborhood hopping and city hopping you would drive to all different areas of Hollywood and it wasn't all over class either there was some upper class I mean he went in the

beginning there were some upper-class people all throughout yeah there was that that's one of the things that made him so hard to catch because there was no pattern to his victims he would kill and you you say like you know he wanted you didn't he didn't kill any Mexican women Maria Hernandez yeah he tried killing her it didn't matter to him it was just whoever was there whoever was easy he'd go out he'd scope out the houses he'd say that one he'd go in and he would do shit okay did to the Zazzara's he broke into their house at 2 a.m. Vincent was sleeping on the couch just walked up popped him in the head and that became

his his ammo now yeah yeah I takes the dude kills a dude immediately and then moves to the woman so if you're in a fight with your husband or your wife just sleeping the bed together you know don't don't make somebody sleep on the couch you guys love each other say I love you before you go to sleep it's a very dangerous place to sleep so he breaks into the house shoots the guy the wife hears him okay she goes and finds Vincent shotgun her husband shotgun and she's about to shoot him click no bullets in the gun because Vincent a couple days before had taken the bullets out of the gun because their

grandchildren had come to visit so I mean being a nice good grandfather doomed his wife to a prop but this is a problem like oh did she die what we can't have Alex Jones we can't have Alex Jones here this if I don't read people here that's why you keep the bullets in the gun ever when the Hispanic man comes down knocking on your door did she die in this in this attack well I'll get to that yeah I wasn't exactly grateful yeah she absolutely died because after she tried shooting him with the shotgun boom boom boom three shots right in the chest and then she died almost instantly this is when the mutilation comes

yeah now he starts getting really yeah he changes here's what here's what police found of the crime scene this is this is an excerpt this is an excerpt from a book by Clifford L. Lindekker who wrote a fucking great liquor Lindekker or maybe line Decker the dick liquor this guy was torment Lindekker you're a dick clicker you're right I will write a wonderful true crime novel whatever lick dicker you know I'd like to get him on the show I'm not gonna say dick clicker here's what it here's what he said they would never forget the side of Maxine's Azar's mutilated face her eyes were gouged out and the empty sockets

were ringed with blackened gobs of blood and tissue the killer had plunged a knife through her left breast leaving a large ragged t-shaped wound there were other cruel injuries to her neck face and abdomen and around the pubic area she had been butchered yeah the closest I mean you know the closest celebrity that we could say she looked like was it older Suzanne Summers really unbelievable Richard scooped out the eyes cut the eyes out put him in a jewelry box and took him home that's it that's an interesting it's like Jerry Orbach all over again you know she gave the gift of sight to one Hispanic serial killer

yeah well I don't know if you saw anything with her eyes but he certainly held him in his hands anyway what do you do with his eyes you know I mean if it was me but I have kind of a ghostier style you know a go shear coupling yeah you want your eyes to be used as cuff links I just keep an eye out for me you know I'm like oh yeah so you want to be killed your eyes guys doubt they're used as cuff links so then your serial killer can be punny yeah a really funny joke at some kind of cocktail party he goes right like Hitler's relatives yes yeah it just seems like this woman shouldn't be taken

out in a body bag but like what are what are delis wrap sandwiches in you know wax paper like a wax paper why though why meet he made her straight up deli meat yeah I mean that was the goal that's what he wanted then she becomes not human at all she become he's totally in control is his play thing he can do whatever he wants and sexually now and I don't know this is it like Dennis Raider is it like BTK did he come as soon as he you know killed her and when the blood it doesn't seem like it wasn't like it seems like it's not like that it's more like I mean he got hard he probably jerked off about it for days

but I don't think that it was that fervent because because it came like the first time he killed somebody he came he's like would build up the suspense of doing it for months he would wait and he'd let it sit and build and build and build so of course he just shoots as soon as he's done Richard Ramirez was just getting one getting one getting one yeah a lot of times he's doing he's committing sexual assault so it's not even just the act he's doing he's raping and getting his release and then murdering but he doesn't rape every time and he doesn't kill every time he just rapes and then walks away he's an

incredible he was to what an evil fucker or what like he was just the worst of the worst that ever wanted to do there yeah well the first clue that the cops have besides the AC DC cap that Richard left at the Maria Hernandez oh so you may be so mad if I left my AC DC half you gotta go back and use like 15 oh yeah you gotta go back you gotta get that AC DC I feel like I'm missing something like a stab a shot to do it a stab to go my beautiful hair flowing in the way my fucking AC DC hat it's my favorite one what he left behind at this one would be one of the things that would lead the police to him the sneakers yes the

infamous avia sneakers he left his shoes well this is how well he didn't leave his shoes he left a footprint and this is how the police finally figured out that they had a serial killer on their hands because they found this footprint they found the found the same footprints over at Maria Hernandez they found the same footprints over at his very first victims they found him around Veronica you they found they had a link finally and pretty much that is when that's always when the serial killer cases start to immediately collect the secrecy of your actions as a serial killer start to crumble as soon as the

idea of the serial killer is put together yeah as soon as they know that it's a serial killer is now they're looking for the comparisons because he was obviously playing a game by driving for different cities around Los Angeles so that he could if you know you separate the crimes you make it look it's happening over here it's happening here you change up most no one can find it at the time the LAPD was notorious for not communicating within different precincts they would be highly competitive extremely competitive so they just didn't work together at all in fact the guys that were on the case that

were eventually put on the case same cop that caught Gary Ridgway great cop guys are fantastic on the green river the head of the investigator I can't remember we'll get to him on the next episode he's such a cool fucking like I was watching interviews with him and what a great fucking cop and of course Gary Ridgway the green river killer I think that his his numbers are the highest numbers recorded yeah and he's got that he's got that cliff mustache which is really something so the man had terrible taste in shoes that's what I've learned so yeah yeah I mean he wasn't a fancy dresser and he wasn't a

smooth talker but he went in he did what he had to do kind of like a certain president Lincoln he made a career for himself and that's what you got to do in this world you gotta take the bull by the horns that's right that's yeah I'm surprised Avia now I don't believe that shoe company still exists I have no idea I don't think so they should have hopped on it they should have hopped on this is a marketing campaign you all looking up I got the stabs I'm so quiet the women won't even hear you sneak into the closet won't even wake up a guy on a couch oh no they're still around hell yeah yeah made by a guy in Oregon one

man in Oregon one man in Oregon I'm gonna keep my legacy going I'm gonna crush the quiet beautiful action my did my tennis shoes sneakers I love those tennis doesn't gonna keep Jerry stubblefield down all right so we have the cops are on to them they know a serial killer is on the loose they know the sir the serial killer is on the loose but not necessarily they're not on his trail yet in May 14th 1985 he breaks into the house of Bill and Lillian doi I'm sure it's a bad name it's a bad it's a bad name you know I can't we just cannot just say just don't do it don't don't it's hard it's hard to

even say the name doing who are going to don't don't do it don't do it you know kind of like right you know what's his name I'm from Gilbert Grape there are certain people that have Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio yeah yeah but I won't do that no you didn't do it but Henry I'm interested who did who did he kill next what all right all right all right all right so miss doi and her husband doi yes Bill and Lillian doi they have names they were human beings with pulses and families so I at least their names weren't like cracker pants you know like you had a worse last name you know Bill doi yes so Richard Ramirez walks in and

shoots Bill in the face that's rude to do like that I don't like it but he Bill survived for a bit okay and Ramirez beat him unconscious so he went into Lillian's bedroom found Lillian there grandmother's name by the way Lillian it's amazing beautiful name what a humanizer after you were so rude about Mrs. Doi he bound her with thumb cuffs so I guess he brought those along and which this is an interesting thing because Richard rarely brought the weapon of destruction with him unless it was his gun yeah yeah I found everything in the house yeah it was usually he'd use ties he'd use rope well I told you not

to buy that garden gnome I bet the thumb I bet the thumb cuffs that idea probably came from his cousin Mike it sounds like I bet that that was a because you a little bit used in detaining that's used for like like quick like make sure we get their hands behind their back and it's great for questioning yeah I think I know you're gonna ask Ben yeah Mike only he was found criminally insane yes because I only spent in Vietnam and he only spent four years in prison before he was released and him and Richard stayed in touch all throughout this time so the door the doys are not having a good night no no

Lillian is thumb cuffed this is when he starts you know of course this is when he starts with a shut up bitch or I'll kill you yeah really getting the shut up bitch or I'll kill you that was the line that he always said that he said at the lineup when they brought the witnesses in he did you think he thought about different lines like keep quiet woman oh well get into his down he lady he did turn it into a performance yeah yeah down line he really did he got to be a master at the performance so the guy that he had shot in the face and beat unconscious Bill he woke up again to crawl to the telephone and while Richard

was busy with busy raping Lillian in the other room who by the way was an invalid as well yes I was in these separate rooms because she had cerebral palsy she's like yeah and she was bound to a hospital bed and he yeah it's a bad crime you know it's interesting yeah it's not like a funny crime no this is not I mean no this is funny that's why we bring light to these monsters are not scary they are ridiculously stupid people and then we must make fun of they're very scary they are terrifying horrible horrible person yeah I know I was trying to rationalize why we do the show when we go on CNN no no no no no that

will be years from now when they do born to podcast the UK you're thinking it will they will examine our lives where we started right right right right so the Lillian doys survived because as soon as the man called the police he went back in unconsciousness Richard heard the sirens coming and he got the fuck out of there before he killed before he was able to kill the woman and of course Bill died from his injuries at 513 that morning not before saving his wife so Bill we made Henry specifically made fun of his last name quite a bit but he died a hero he died a hero there are a lot of what's cool but I mean we'll get into

the second when we do the second half of the episode as well there are a lot of heroes in this story yeah that's the one thing about like normally when we do these serial killer stories it's to be honest mostly these people get away because it's dumb cops and competing shit but it's like honestly you'll see this story made people kind of step up to the plate they did and you know I mean the end obviously we'll get to his capture but the way that he has captured one of the credible one of the most important crazy stories I've ever heard and of course we'll get to that yeah so the doys are no longer or one do is no

longer with us no one do is no longer with us let's move on to win he starts to move on what you say it and you look you do a side look at me real quick and then you just move on like you didn't do that you know let's continue let's continue let's continue with all right contain yourself all right mabel that's a fine name it was like a neighborhood nickname for mabel and natively murdered Florence Lang I assume everyone brought up by Marcus will be murdered at some point yeah yeah definitely they were 83 and 81 respectively he walked into their house

why I mean he's just so it's all over the place yeah absolutely nine years old it's easy to kill an 80 year old person to an 80 year old I mean yeah he walks in the house who knows what he had planned to do with him and that's what what this case tells me is I don't think even he knew he was gonna do he was walking in he was being real Johnny Coltrane about it I mean if you if you would say if you shoot an 80 year old on the couch it's probably the you know at least it's covered in plastic the couch so you can just kind of I mean I'm older people there was something about an older generation they love to cover everything

in plastic I don't know what it was I don't know what I'm not making this step up Hummel figurines are a bitch to clean them yeah you can get all of their weird little Dutch flat hats he's a q-tip maybe he walks in first thing he sees it's not bad no it's fine a hammer on the counter yeah yeah grabs the hammer black bloodins one woman god black goes and bloodins the other goes back to the first woman gets an idea he takes the light bulb shows up like in a loony tune logistics well that's very appropriate because he took a lamp he ripped the cord out ripped the wires out and then started shocking Ma Belle with

the wires was she alive or dead yes he was alive yeah she was alive yeah he made a makeshift torture device these women survive for three more days do you think Mike taught her how to do that as well yeah yeah yeah honestly that is a that is a army interrogation technique yeah that is what they do they do that no I'm certain when you look cuz that he learned so much from his cousin Mike his cousin Mike was just the fucking chef border D yeah this alphabet soup he's making you know I'm not sure about the analogy but I'll say yeah yeah yeah all right so how long did he torture miss bell for it's unknown how long he

tortured her for but after he was done with the electrical cork is after he hit him in the head he raped them yeah okay after after that and then that's when again something just clicked in his head he went and grabbed a tube of Ma Belle's lipstick and drew a pentagram on her inner thigh and this is when it became because I think that there's also I imagine he's having an insane psychic experiences I'm I imagine that he like I mean just like psychical like he's having probably like dreams and like walking person like hallucinations like they talk about this all the time he's lit his fantasies were always more real

than reality like that's a big thing with serial killers he's now literally when they talk about his fantasies were more real than reality he lived in his fantasy world when he was a kid and doing these sort of sadistic scenarios in his head for so long now it's like you know like we talk about all time like if you when you make like performing like we love performing yeah when you want it when you're finally doing what you want to do and it feels satisfying there are moments when it feels almost surreal yeah like you're walking through your dream he was living your dream so he is in this sort of high not high I

hate the term high-functioning he's in this place now he was pretty high functioning tearing a goddamn lamp off he's going nuts shocking to complete completely feral and now it's him doing like putting that the pentagram on her I mean like he's like this is my fucking thesis this is gonna it's gonna be this is my zodiac sending in the fucking you know and he drew the pentagram on one bedroom wall went over and drew a pentagram in the other bedroom wall and here's an odd thing when they found now we're gonna get to one odd thing yeah here's an odd thing that's where we are we're at eight deaths so he left nine

Snoopy dolls there that would actually be on okay now I had 10 Snoopy dolls only got one Snoopy doll oh shit I left it this it really is an odd thing especially for a serial killer he makes himself ride at home yeah he goes well this is very similar to a BTK again he did stuff like that I like it yeah but this guy but BTK was doing it to be a dick yeah he was gonna be a dick oh and Richard was doing it to be no Richard was hungry he was hungry he ate two bananas drank a couple cans of soda pissed in the toilet didn't flush that's rude very rude if it's yellow let him yellow and a few days later a handyman

found these two old women still alive they survived for days there were multiple skull fracture there was brain matter exposed their vaginas were all chewed up oh Marcus Parks Marcus Parks you're out of the dinner your mother cooked a nice steak meal and you're just talking about Ramirez chewing up an 80 year old's pussy get out of here I mean I'm only using I mean not literally chewed up I'm just saying chewed up in the Texas sense your arm caught in a combine your arms gonna be all chewed up it doesn't know it's not yeah or yeah like their vaginas were you know except it's gone I don't just

chew it and leave it yeah yeah that's true it was it was a gum type thing and that is where we're gonna end Richard Ramirez part one when the same as him comes in I want to ask this though quickly because I always love your guys's opinion as far as news media goes he has his pentagram he has all this press coming in yeah because they created the night yeah but is night stalker created not yet no not it's not yet okay no no at this point he's still known as the walking killer in the Valley intruder so the night so the door intruder didn't make it not I was very shortly um so do you guys think that the fact of the

media covered it in such a glamorous way it fed into him and then he and he was entirely this is gonna make the front page yes and did the pentagram yes that is why he escalated his brutality definitely it's all about attention because then it becomes once it's getting past your because that's the thing these people have such the sense of superiority they want they believe that other people are bugs they look at people like they're fucking animals and bugs they hate them they hate everybody else they want everyone to see like I'm the fucking king of the hill now everyone's gonna be scared of me if

someone sees my face that was like a part of it when his face gets released later on he enjoyed it a little bit mm-hmm like he liked it a little bit yeah they want he want he was a student of serial killers as well he was a guy grew up reading about serial killer very common same thing he's he had the fucking like he may as well have had fucking serial killer trading cards he knew who he wanted to be he knew he wanted to put himself in serial killer history and serial killer and trading cards did exist for quite a while they did we're gonna do more of this next week this is a lot to it the most

brutal murders are yet to come this guy is the this guy legitimately scares me reading about his stuff scares me what he how would he escalates to it gets even scarier like it's hard it's like even after what like I want to joke but the murders are just so fucking brutal I've been desperately trying to make jokes I know really failing Marcus take that out that's rude that's rude no I want to say and I don't know the name of the fella but somebody just made some amazing fan art and sent it to us on Twitter really phenomenal stuff so much for that and the last podcast page has been fucking unbelievably awesome yeah

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