Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 111: Richard Ramirez Part II: Wet Leather

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

We close our two-parter on Richard Ramirez with his final brutal days as a killer, his capture at the hands of an heroic mob, and the trial of the century that followed.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Marcus are these things on these things are on although we did not get all Of that Ben is a tuba talk. Oh, no. Yeah, keep the tuba talk in there Okay for those that missed it before the mics were on Henry said I was a tuba you are a tuba because you sound like farts But you look like a million dollars look like a million dollars. It seems like a very expensive tuba Yeah, you know if you buy a tuba for a million bucks you got ripped off. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, some guys walk another street being like can you believe I fucking yeah hoisted that broken

Tube on that tuba is moron, you know, and he's walking by and then he gets hit by a truck Of course, definitely different scenarios. You can play introduce the show, please Okay, Marcus parks is here I am Ben Kessel and we have hungover Henry's You know you you kids go play quiet in the rumpus room So dad can sleep on the barca lounger for a little bit. All right That's sad, so of course he's got a drive drunk home Yeah, you know how it is, but I'm good driving drunk because I'm confident

That's right turning on my turn signals back and forth. You know where I'm going just going straight though But you know the turn signals just so that they're afraid that I turn Yeah, you know cuz that's how my kids are always gonna be afraid when daddy turns well, that's terrifying All right. Well, let's go on to something more terrifying than Henry Zabrowski driving drunk with a far with a car full of children Uh, Richard Ramirez part two the heavy hitter Marcus. Where are we at? He just killed Maybel. Yeah, he just Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, maybe I'll sounds like a cow Well, I'll doesn't sound that different than a cow. They called her met my bell because her name was Mabel bell Okay. Oh, wow, that's really close. That is very close. I understand. It's a clever name

I like it a lot after my belly. It's not like it's like Anyway, so let's just do a quick recap We have a Richard Ramirez made to kill five years old hurt his head two years old hurt his head His cousin Mike shot his wife in front of him taught him how to be a super stealth murderer He got into a certain sleeping in cemeteries father was abusive the pictures of dead women and now we're here He's are he's popped off a couple But once you pop the fun don't stop that fun does not stop except for the people that you're killing Brutally murder right now. The next victims were Harold and Jean Wu

No, another Asian couple. I mean you key you are making a big deal. I'm not making of the victim I'm not making a big deal out of it. I'm simply saying that it is interesting that he doesn't seem to have a It's a very guy. He has no demographic Spree of kills absolutely. He's picking whoever no you just sounds like my mom my mom's like I'm not racist But every single time she's like, oh a new Applebee zone is opening up. It's run by Oriental's What does it matter that it's run by Asian people first of all their agents not Oriental's right? Yeah, I mean, it's fine It doesn't matter what I'm just saying is your mother is racist. She was married to an NYPD officer for quite a number of years So what happened to what happened to the woos the woos of course he broke in

I shot the husband in the head as he is Because he won't because he's not a big guy a big guy. We were talking about this last time He is your he's your size. Yeah. Yeah, and so he's that's why when you hear his ending They got to him, but it's like he needed to neutralize any sort of threat immediately. Yeah Yeah, so he's a small fella. So of course, yeah He kills the the man first the pop to the head and this guy was he also on the couch. He was in the bed Okay, next he walked out a lot of time He would do this sometimes where he would walk into the bedroom and just stand over them just watching them

Yeah, a long time and then he pulled out the gun He'd shoot the husband in the head and the wife would wake up and of course He'd go to town on her as he did with Jean Wu put her in the the thumb screws You know, he loved these thumb screws because we said again It was used in military interrogation and he learned how to torture and murder from his cousin who was a Vietnam vet That's right. Yeah. So he raped the 62 year old woman. Oh, no, she was 62. She was 62 Yeah, a lot of the I would say the majority of the victims were older There was a lot of the elderly people because it was all about couldn't power and control and like this is a person

It's like I could grab my grandma by the wrist and just like break her arms, you know I make her a skeleton woman. Yeah, you know, yeah, so you can't it's easy to tear her to old woman Do you think that as far as you know, we were talking about when we when we did our great episode on black serial killers We discussed the grim sleeper and of course when a prostitute goes missing not a lot of cops go looking But when a black prostitute goes missing zero cops go looking Do you think that it helped him as far as no staying under the radar killing elderly? No, actually throw away in American society and elderly people are held to be super precious. That's just where this is where America No, the night starker was heavily covered like the story was heavily covered the whole thing people were outraged

He he had hold total control of the city when the grim sleeper was operating. Nobody knew he was operating, right? As soon as he started attacking the most its children and old people the most vulnerable members of society when you attack them You get the whole fucking city looking for you immediately. That's why he got caught. I mean, you know what this this reminds me of something It's the Harlem Globetrotters when they play the Washington General tell me the Globetrotters know They're gonna beat the Washington Generals every goddamn time because the fix is in it's in a script It's in the script when you there's no way he could lose these battles a nine-year-old an 82 year old a 62 year old So you're guaranteed to win you're saying Richard Ramirez is the is the Harlem Globetrotters I'm serious. Yes, I am and that the fix is it the elderly and the children that he murdered are the bumbling Washington Generals

That's correct Henry that's correct. Let the record stay That is simply recorded in podcast history forever, but it's not on the record All right, so anyway, so he shot this guy in the head now. He's on to his wife. He shoots the guy in the head. He writes Performance in these last two Richard Ramirez that there's something deeply unsettling about all this I don't know what it is, but there's something's like making me feel kind of icky Oh over at Kissel and every once while he turns into like a macabre like circus like like leader With a big top hat on and a sparkly jacket. He's like, yes. Yes And then how did he rape her?

So he rapes her but he leaves her alive. Oh, he cuz again, he's switching it up back and forth He switches up every single crime scene is a different. It seems like he plays it out Mm-hmm. However, it is he's feeling because he's such a chaotic killer because we talked about the two there's two types of serial killers chaotic and organized He's obviously chaotic. It's about sexual rage He goes in and he improv's quote-unquote and this and then it's whatever the ending But there was no pentagrams in this no pentagrams No, so why did he keep her alive? He did he attempt to kill her and she just happened to live? No, he just didn't try to kill her. He just doesn't have to yeah

He just doesn't have to he ever explained that in later interviews why he would keep yeah He just said that he like legitimately he said it's because you don't have to he's totally in control It's like he becomes God and then it's like what Ted Bundy said where it's like I'm God of this universe I'm your God right now. I can pick and choose whether you're gonna live or you're gonna die sure. Yeah So it's almost like this is this is something you will like see yeah That's himself on the back right and then comes out and then do will tear the forth throat and eyes out of another woman So in a busy in a bizarre way. He's killed a man. He shot him in the head He raped his wife, but he let her live so he goes out feeling like a good person like a good person

Yeah, he's the same. I went to Catholic Mass. I'm doing okay. It's like what I don't eat all my dumplings It's like I've got control. That's right. That's right. Yeah, it's like that It's hard to make comparisons in the episode, you know, it is never gonna have the we're never gonna have the exact parallel No situation happened in our lives, but I think the dumpling comparison. That's up there with it. Yeah next victim Ruth Wilson 41 he breaks into her home goes and finds her 12 year old son uses him is bait To let her to have her show him exactly where all of the jewelry is all of the Fevery always always so he's always been stealing Motivated there was a during on the Richard Ramirez born to kill they were this great officer was kind of talking about how like

Burglary there's like there's two types of burglary to where it's just like a lot of it's like burglary is mostly like drug motivated It's like you need money for or x y and z not just drugs But you're like you need money so you break in you take stuff you get out and a lot of times people are in the house You do what you have to do if you got to tie him up you tie him up But if not you get shit and you leave but then there's something to the sexual nature of a burglary about invasion and Looking through people's stuff. It's the ultimate voyeurism you break into their lives You are in and it becomes a sexual thrill and that's why we're kid with when we were talking last episode is how each scenario kept Building and building and building as he was expanding his fantasy

You know it's so interesting that you say that it reminds me of a story from college There was a fellow named Anthony Schofield all the girls loved him. It was a skateboarder. He was busted with 856 pairs of panties In in in his 1950s he was totally fine to do panty raids He was just breaking to you go women's like rooms and steal their underwear And still the mother heads like a bunch of fucking like they're in the Bilderberg group. That's right, you know, which of course Alex Jones Video there that perhaps we can post on the page, but but yeah, so he had

856 pairs of panties and that's what people kept on saying like innocent fun, you know innocent And he would jack and he would jack off on their pillows But that reminded me of what you were saying there He would go in that is an ultimate high to be you know going through somebody's dirty laundry anyway I get a friend from Dave a phone call from no believe me. The Chinese people that take my laundry are hard. Oh They can't wait to sniff it God They're just like I walk in there and like it's like are you wearing my underwear as a hat and they're like, oh, thank you You know, like yeah, it's nice. Yeah, I'm sure

But Dave called me of course and he's a great fan of the round table and he's made the The round table Incredible graphic designer Anthony Schofield. Anyway, he got picked up on Craigslist trying to fuck a 13-year-old Wow And of course he went on Craigslist was like man seeking 13-year-old Hey, let's meet up and then somebody was like meet me at this gas station. That person was with the FBI Office, yeah, because no 13-year-old is like yeah disgusting. Oh, you don't put it on Craigslist open out It's like that's ludicrous. That's right So this sort of this is part of the escalation for for Ramirez

Well now we cuz wait what do you do cuz this 12-year-old he like put him in another room But his mother right yeah put him in a room and but he does nothing to the kid did nothing to the kid And he does the exact same thing with his neck next victim Carol Kyle. Did he kill the woman? He did not kill them. So this is just so we have double rapes in a row. Yes, okay Yep, and the next one Carol Kyle. She described him as good-looking and Said that he's who and said that he smelled like wet leather This woman has strange taste in men I never smelled wet leather, I don't want to sounds like cowboy erotica

And an old jab rolled over smell like wet leather and smoking smoking papers And he took off them big shiny belt buckle and took out that cow knuckle of his oh I went to town on it and I never knew a better day of being sheriff Oh, that's that is hot hot erotica gay sheriff porn. I love it Ladies just listening to it on an iPod while they ride the horse around town Seems like Susan's coming all over the top of that horse Shades of hot leather. So what's next wait? I had a question. What are the time periods between these? Incidents they start getting closer and closer. Yes. It's about a week in between each one

It's starting to get a week in between a couple well It's sometime about two to three weeks in between and previously it was about a month span or so Yeah, but between the first and second it was eight months. It was eight months It's just it's like all these guys. It just keeps there is a typical rage mode He's he's starting to slide into what we have we see with Dahmer and I'll say where he becomes he's totally raging out He's going on It's like so after you break up with your girlfriend who you you had for five years You you have sex with one girl and then like nine months later

You have sex with another girl, but then you start to hit your stride and you fuck all the pussy Are you talking about yourself? I don't know. I don't know it doesn't matter, but it seems similar It's at this point in which Richard Ramirez like many other serial killers almost gets caught But through the bumbling of the LAPD goes away scot-free. He was having a real bad night First he tries breaking into a house, but sees that the man is awake and is cleaning a gun So yeah, he gets away from there. He decides he's just gonna kidnap a girl out in Eagle Rock She starts screaming someone calls the police. He has to run away from there. Then he runs a red light Remember Richard Ramirez always drove stolen cars. He was a big car thief

Yeah, he loves stealing cars everything because also like I was a part of his invasion evasion technique is that you never knew What car he was driving? Yeah, like he was he drove like during this whole process. He drove like five or six different cars Yeah, and the cop despite hearing Just a few moments earlier the description of the suspect that had tried to kidnap the little girl and And despite the fact that Richard Ramirez was driving a stolen car just didn't put the two events together And in fact the cop asked him. Hey, you're not the guy killing people in their homes. Are you?

And Richard Ramirez is no way man when you guys gonna catch a motherfucker anyway So class I went to the cop married Courtney Cox because he sounds like David Arquette from Scream He is a deputy Dewey if I've ever heard of a goddamn deputy Dewey Yeah, I'm sure you're not that guy that we should be looking for. I'm not at all You know he's like gets he's like takes it I used to say you just need to want to sign this ticket here And he like takes a knife cover the blood and like he's fucking Vincent Price. That is funny Oh, that's a funny. You know a souvenir and a penny got there. Would you get that from me?

Some kind of music even in my cop, and he's like no, no, I killed a woman with it This has been one of my favorite track of traffic stops I've ever had I'm not even yours isn't no way. No, man. That's not even remotely my car It's like yeah, I'll air get out of here if I could just meet nine of you a day My job would be a lot easier mister Your name is mr. Kyoto. This is this idea. It's an old idea. Is this from 1965? As the cop goes back would be gone in 60 seconds would have been much better if it was based on Richard Ramirez I mean, it would have been a lot on the I would have gotten a hard R rating. Definitely double R

Richard Ramirez so the cop goes back to his motorcycle to call it in Richard Ramirez gets out of the car and the cop doesn't notice this either that Richard gets out draws a pentagram on the hood Of the car and scampers off into the night This is a real story. This is a real story. Yeah, and this officer does he still work in the LAPD? Is this is he Christopher Dorner? I mean who the fuck is this idiot? How do you have a job? Can you imagine though? But that's like but you could see how it feeds into his idea that Satan is really helping him now Yeah, they talk about this. It's like he's I bet he really has now

He believes that black magic is making him invisible. Yeah, like he's because he keeps in corporate because now we see More and more satanic imagery come into each one of these killings. He obviously thinks he's being protected What do you think about his satanism and as far as his religion goes? I think it's totally it's an elemental Satanism it's it's it's a primitive satism. It's like it's not like I'm gonna wear pewter rings and meet girls at a party satanism It's like he believes that he is he is a demon and he is doing demons work It's like the fuck like fucking house of a thousand corpses. Yeah, so do you think I mean Richard Ramirez? I mean, we're reading the Damien Eggles book of course from the West Memphis 3 and you know He was basically convicted because people had this insane idea of satanism and he was just like to research things and learn

But do you think that Richard Ramirez's version of satanism was the one that was sort of the overall narrative that America took as far as to Represent everyone who was a secular humanist. I mean we interviewed Shane Morton, of course Yeah, that was where the idea of devil worshiper came from they say devil worshippers do this this and that but actually it's you know Satanism is just essentially yeah, it's a term for secular humanism or atheism. That's all it is It's a funny. It's a funnier thing to do than say you're an atheist But it's a this is fun if this is a guy that was like if I were like the thing that pops in my head It's like Someone like Vlad Dracul like the guy that like Dracula was based off of like he's this is a different blood line

This is a different strain of thought. This is I'm I'm literally doing things for what I believe is a higher I believe I'm moving With spiritual energy doing the things that I'm doing right right, right, right. Yeah, it's a witch He's like it's old-timey. It's like so he's just really he's taking the superstitions of the culture and just like putting them into actual Because it makes it so much scarier. It's like what Batman did dressing up like Batman. It's it makes you super scary It's makes you so scary or to draw a pentagram on something and you can imagine how much scarier Batman would have been if he had Down syndrome Imagine where's that dark night?

Someone shouldn't have given that retarded man that grappling hook Very interesting because you only see the You only see the mouth Smashing through hotel side Oh my Oh that would be an interesting comment I'll have to get made anyway, so yes, so he drew the pentagram the cop just drove on and went about his business Arising black kids or something. Yeah, and he returns to murder just a couple days later with Patty Higgins

He slits her throat in another stalker attack. He goes into the house of Mary Cannon He took the widowed grandmother. She was 75 years old He beat her unconscious with a lamp and then stabbed her with a 10-inch butter knife a Butter knife butter knife. That is fucking horrible definition That's a ghost. That's not supposed to go through. No, it's supposed to go through soft things like butter How hard do you have to stab somebody to go like in real hard real hard? exceptionally very hard Really only with your avias sneakers can you stab a woman with a butter knife and speaking avias sneakers one of his next victims

Joyce Nelson how many stomped her to death with his avias sneakers and The sneaker print that he left was one of the things that helped them connect that crime to the overall This this the print was on her face print was on her face You see this is so he is getting more and more brutal the timing between each one is now days, right? Like it's like days go by It's like it's no longer weeks. He's having no cool-down periods He's just fucking barreling through and what is this before and these are also all in different neighborhoods of LA Yeah, one was in Arcadia one was in Sierra Madre all of his murders in Los Angeles happened within a 40 mile radius That's a pretty big radius though, isn't it?

Realize the thing it's like for a while I believe one of his names also they called him the freeway killer or something's like because they were talking about how like Because LA becomes this perfect place to be a fucking mass killer because you got the highway system It's right there and you just pop on a highway you zip and you're in a fucking you're on the other side of the city And then you go back and forth you could be in ten different places at once if there's no traffic Yeah, God forbid you get that 405 and five you imagine I would love to see Richard Ramirez upset in traffic We like I gotta kill that old woman. Yeah, this motherfucking traffic jam is fucking with my plans Yeah, this guy would have been I know it should have taken the 101

So dumb Richie, you're so dumb Richie sometimes I feel like Richie could have been like a great poster boy for Google Maps traffic app, you know It's like I know when I got a kill a seven-year-old in Glendale But I got to be back and to kill a nine-year-old over in skid row. I'm watching my Google Maps traffic app Where are my OV issues? How many kills I feel like we've burned through so many where are we at now? We had 11 or 10? No, I think we're somewhere around seven or eight or nine somewhere

I haven't been keeping track exactly because it does all kind of yeah Because it blends together because these are all because then we have a is this when he left town for the first time when he Goes up to San Francisco. No, yeah, okay. No, he's sorry between June Just to stop you. What was the media like here at this time? So they had they knew that he was He wouldn't call the night No, no, no, he wasn't called the night so he wasn't officially branded yet No, well, they had other names for him that the walk-in killer of the valet

Okay, so there was a lot of buzz about him right now. Oh, yeah Yeah, people in fact people all over Los Angeles like gun sales shot up people had axes next to their bed They were saying to iron it was an incredibly hot summer Yeah, and so that's right But everyone would keep their window shut so the all of LA was shut down for the summer kind of what happened on the Zebra killings where it was like everyone stopped going places the city was fucked People were staying inside It's in guard dogs was like it was like this crazy huge run on guard dogs being sold as well

Which of course led which of course led to the Michael Vic dog fighting a ring Yeah, there's a lot of people. I'm serious. I'm dead. See I mean, you know for all I mean This is a lot of people's were bought for for home protection. Yeah, but I don't I think that they were okay It was a door to death by football players You know like not a football player. No a bunch of him and his boys all tortured dogs to death and the comedy rolls on No, okay, so everyone knows what's going on in the neighborhood and he's a chilling effect It's very summer of Sam ask people are changing their behaviors And okay, so continue. Yeah, June 27th. Patty Higgins do it July 2nd Mary Cannon July 5th

Whitney Bennett a 16 year old girl. He breaks into the house He doesn't this is a fucked up story 16 So this is to set this up and so that night is the parents were asleep The parents were home asleep when he breaks into the house and sees her sleeping and he wakes her up by hitting her in the head With a tire iron and then he rapes her and then leaves now the old Texas alarm clock, huh? Texas alarm clock it's when you hit somebody on the head with a tire iron to wake him up to milk the goddamn cows Well, I'm not making this up. Why am I being demonized? I'm not making this up. That's a reality. That's the real no shirt. No, you can call it anything you want

I get yeah, I grew up in Texas and you understand I got woken up every morning Absolutely your dad would come and hit you the tire iron rape you leaving a pile of blood And then you'd go shuck the chickens and fucking feed the pigeons my dad used to wake me up by singing to me Good morning. Good morning. That's so sweet. That's very sweet. That's the opposite of how she was woken up Oh, I see. That's the true Texas alarm clock. We're very we're very kind people Well, I think that this woman got off easy compared to how you had to live that sounds awful. Mr. Park saying good morning Good morning with a rock card morning bone So he hit a chicken with a tire iron she had to get 478 stitches to

Lock up the lacerations. Yeah. Yeah, and she didn't remember any of those cheerleading formations anymore either It's very demo. No, but so he killed the first two before that you mentioned that you just burned through he killed them, right? Yeah, he killed Patty Higgins and every cannon Whitney Bennett. He did not kill so he so he killed these two gals and and then he went to Rape another one, but he did not kill her. No, he didn't kill her That was just attacked her while her parents were asleep in the other and then she was able to give I mean, so she knew what he looked like again going back to your previous statement of the first episode about it If he would have just worn a mask, he would have gotten away with it for years. Yeah, he really would have What does that have do you have to have care? He just didn't care. That's why I really believe he believed he was fueled by satanic magic

I think he's like this is the real we were talking about this like he felt like he was like Frodo putting the ring on and Lord of the Rings He felt invisible like that. We were talking about like how there's a we another bad analogy out like BTK was like a dude It's like a BTK was like a corporate serial killer like he did everything, right? Yes He did the thing to make everybody scared, but he kind of never really had that he was always kind of fake He was doing it a little too on purpose. He was trying too hard. He was putting your ass is like Zeppelin like he's like he's like the real deal like you show up. He's the difference between Bill Hicks and Dennis Leary. Yes Too cool for cancer whatever that fucking bullshit special was was just a ripoff of Bill Hicks legitimate Richard It was fucking evil incarnate like he was an unstoppable force for a while

And he is a fucking monster and he got to die of natural causes in jail 54 years old. Yeah, all right I didn't know my And it takes him all I was actually just at the bar here at the Greek in the cave discussing how he needs to be the spokesperson for cancer research Yeah, we got a stamp out lymphoma. I just have a picture of Ramirez and you just see the profits plummet No one cares anymore because apparently cancer kills some people that need to die. Yeah He was always gonna die. Yeah, we'll get to his appeals process later, but his next break-in is One of his most brutal this fucking awful. It's a this this Vietnamese couple

Chana wrong covenanth and some can covenanth. All right. Hard names No, but I think Marcus nailed it. Yeah, yeah, that was coming on covenanth. I feel like you could say anything and I have to say Yes, I don't understand. I don't understand how these they pronounce their names. Yeah, so he killed The husband right off of course. Yeah, he used a 25 caliber handgun He's four different kinds of handguns during all this 25 caliber is everything. Yeah, when he killed those girls That you just sort of brushed over did he shoot them with a gun as well if he stabbed one and shot the other okay? Yeah, yeah, he was mixing it up constantly all over the place So he takes he shoots the husband. He takes the wife

He rapes her He finds the couple's eight-year-old Son and rapes him with a bottle of baby oil. Yeah, whoa, what happened now? Whoa, whoa, whoa, what happened? I mean, this is I mean, he's never done anything with a child, especially of a boy This is a eight-year-old boy. I mean, it's not about it's about how evil you can be Because this is the one where he made her scream Hail Satan Well, the one before this actually Sophie Dickman That was the first one at least that we know of that he started saying swear to Satan swear

Yeah, like tying him up and being like say Hail Satan or I'll kill you Hail Satan Yeah, and while he he raped the kid with with the baby oil, I'm sure he's fine now. Oh, you love baby oil Yeah, but and so this is what the wife with the wife said that Richard Romero's Can't even walk through the bathroom aisle Sort of oil related things You know, that's a massage. Yeah, anyway Here's the dialogue from what this is from the witness statement from the wife and where's the money?

No money. No money. I swear. I swear to God. No swear to Satan and then he raped her again and left Yeah, she said this is her statement about Richard Romero's this is fucking chilling as she said He's dangerous beyond words so brutal so mean so cruel his eyes were like an animals not human Did she mention his hair? You know beautiful hair though what she had to because this is the first time that they really start putting together a composite for Richard Romero And how is it taking this long? You're saying this is because the different counties don't talk. They don't communicate Yeah, so like they're letting that the crime is spreading everywhere and everyone's claiming each section of the of the killers to themselves

I mean like this is our Night stalker murder. That's yours and it's like eventually like Putting together Frankenstein's monster like I got the leg piece and you got the arm piece Like no one gets together and actually makes the beast Well, there was one guy who tried to bring it all together And in fact, this is the same guy that caught Gary Ridgeway and the reason why Gary Ridgeway was able to operate for so long Was because of that exact same LAPD not being able to work together corrupt a bunch of motherfuckers Just filled with the worst fuck like I was like when I'm when Dorner popped off

I read his manifesto and I was like I kind of get why you're fucking mad dude Like I understand for those that don't know Christopher Dorno. It was what was that about a year and a half Yeah, we covered in the last podcast. Yeah, and yeah Google that story Christopher Dorner very interesting So the LAPD is just messing up and completely validating Ramirez's belief that he's above the lawn can get away with anything. Mm-hmm. That isn't all Frank Salerno comes This guy's a fucking hero. Okay. This guy is like the real deal super cop. He's he Entirelessly works. There's a story we'll get to when we when we like one of these later murders that just shows It's like these crimes were always on his mind

He was he did everything in his power and when you watch interviews with him He took it so fucking personally like even just him talking about being with his daughter His daughter would like look at him be like daddy daddy when you're gonna catch the bad man And it's like and as he was like talking about that like tears are streaming down his face Yeah, he's like he's just the real deal. Is it on par with with the detective from the the Jeffrey Dahmer files Is it on par with that guy was more of a he got the case flopped on his lap Yeah, right This was a guy who had to go and pick up all the different strands and tie him all together

And so it was just that the fucking septic tank ran out and they were like, oh my god The police and then all of a sudden you're the guy who cracked the Jeffrey Dahmer case because you have to go like sweep up Humans fingers in five days turns out to the pervert did it, you know They said he you know He seemed pretty nice when we got him in the office there But you know, he had some fingernails stuck in his mustache here Yeah, wouldn't you believe it and if you're a cop or if you're a detective out there just a little just a little quick piece of advice It's always the white guy in the all-black apartment building

You know, it's just always is there's no doubt about it. That white guy is hiding from something. Yeah Yes Frank Salerno will get more into his involvement as we go on But he is an absolute super cop. He's the guy that first starts putting together the footprints Yeah, he starts putting together the pentagram stuff. He goes to certain cult halls in Los Angeles and does in fact find the same footprint in one of the I guess the cult halls is what they Skid row type one of them was in East L.A. He started putting it together and like being like they had a vague description of him And they you'd start going down to skid row and asking people because Richard Ramirez was such a drug addict

Oh, the addicts knew him and they're all like, oh, you mean the really scary dude with the piercing black eyes You barely says anything and he's not being wickedly addicted to cocaine. Oh, you mean Richie The next murder is so this detective Frank, so he got a name at this point Not yet. Okay. Not yet. No, no He's just started putting the people had said they'd seen this dude Right. I kind of knew who the dude was they knew who they were looking for they were looking for a rangey dude With one black hair like Spanish guy, they knew that they were kind of looking for that But they that's half of LA. Yeah, I mean you just you just described on town and Antonio Banderos

Very attractive man The next murders this would be Max and Leela Keating He switches it up again. He brings his own machete this time BYOM yeah, I mean because that's the thing it's at this point It's like he slowly turned into the guy who brings his own pool cue to the bill your By the way, there is nothing sadder than watching somebody think he's being super cool by bringing his own bill Anybody down for a game of round table ball. That's what I call pool Yeah, I'm not gonna play with you because you're taking this very seriously

I'm drunk off my ass, you know because I'm here to watch football anybody want to play some green You are hammered and you have screwed you somehow screw that in backwards So he brings a machete to this needing house hacks these people up in their beds And then just shoot them both in the head and leaves. Okay, so No sexual assault in this. Yeah, no sexual assault He just cuts him up shoots him in the head robs the house and then goes back and cuts him up some more is the only theme here robbery It's always breaking and entering it's always breaking and entering, but is it always robbery as well? Not always

I mean, I mean they're taking something. Yeah, he's it does take man Well, one of the people that eventually when they were closing the net in on him They talked to his fence and they were able to match a lot of the stolen Objects that Richard Amaris had sold to this guy with the missing objects from the people's house He's got to pay his rent. He's got to pay as you tell that he's probably renting movies and doing stuff every once in a while You know, you gotta have some fucking pocket cash It must be weird for a landlord to get paid in blood-covered diamonds You know just a woman's scalp. Yeah, that's is this money

So scared of him, you know Next up these are the only people that were able to fight back and succeed Chris and Virginia Peterson 36 and 27 really young because they're young. Yeah, cuz they're young. Yeah, he shoots both of them He shoots the woman in the face. He shoots the guy in the temple. They were still able to fight him off And he got the fuck out of there as soon as they started fighting. Did they live they both live? Yeah, we were talking and they were able to give like a very good description of them So the description is getting more and the composite sketch is getting more and more I just feel like why isn't this? Like cut and dry overnight you catch this dude because it didn't know who he was

Everyone is giving the same description beautiful hair and Hispanic man with terrible breath. Los Angeles is massive It is a massive spread out city. There's so many people It's like honestly, it's like New York as soon as like my dad with you They took it in the show 48 hours where it's like especially in a place like New York like In the suburbs in a country like someone will be like, yeah, I saw him over there Like someone will like they know when like if there's sparse people you can like go someplace You're noticeable when you're traveling that's in New York City. You just get on the subway unless you're six foot seven Yeah, yeah, yeah, myself. Yeah, which is why you'd have to dress up like a fucking leprechaun and or it'll be the leprechaun massacre man

Leprechaun massacre man. Yeah, so he just blended in with society. Yeah. Yeah the next one up Elias Abouoth He of course made her swear to Satan throughout the entire rape swear to Satan swear to Satan This is the first time after this one. He is finally dubbed the night stock Yeah, and it's like and I feel like that's what he you know It's that fucked up thing of like when Peyton finally got the ring Finally got like that fucking like, you know, you got that the validation that he want validates his legacy So now he has everything he's ever wanted. Yeah He knows it's just a matter of time for he's caught all these guys know it's just a matter of time before they're caught

Yeah, so you just like he is living in a complete fantasy world where he assumes that he will never be caught I mean, he hopes probably because he's having too much fun. He's having a great time You know, I mean he does seem to be legitimately having a good time. Dommer did not have a good Dommer was tortured dairy Ridgeway going back to the Green River killer who has oh, I mean I will I would suggest him for the next big hitter. Yeah, he's amazing. I don't think that he had a wonderful time I don't think BTK had a great time. No BTK actually did have a good time He was being funny, but he was too much of a dickhead to have a good time. Yeah, that's like he was just he couldn't enjoy himself He won't he was doing what he loved

That's sad You know, if you can't enjoy doing what you're love even doing what you're Ever breaking into the Otero house and killing a family then coming all over the daughter. If you can't enjoy yourself Living your dear your life like you want to live it. I mean, I don't know, you know, I feel bad for those people I'll tell you, you know, I feel bad for I used to think this was a horror comedy podcast But now I know it's an inspirational You man do you low yo, yeah, well, yeah, you only you or Yoko you only kill one something like that Or 13 14 16 17 times

It's at this point when he's given the name Night Stalker He's an alert Salerno calls a press conference and really says like alright, there's this guy He's killed 10 people. No, he's killed 12 people at this point 11 or 12 We can link all these murders to him lock your fucking doors by a weapon That's what a Frank Slur finally came out and you like put it basically because that's what you have to finally do at this point They know that there's a killer problem There's a thing coming on but I know there was definitely talk of that maybe it was a group of people because what Frank Salerno was The big thing is that everyone was fighting him being like there's no way. This is one dude

Yeah, everyone all the police officers they would laugh at him. Yeah, I mean it makes a lot of sense He's doing everything a little bit different he's crazy and he's also Flagrant and crazy and and braze it. He's nuts and so it's like you there so everyone so finally he's like no It's one guy. We're gonna find the one dude. Yeah, he put all the evidence together and then that press conference is terrifying Was this before or after Manzan was Manzan before this is way after Manzan right so we're talking late 70s 80s here This is 25 years is 1985 85. Okay, so maybe that was maybe that played into the notion that it must have been multiple people a cult Like situation tannic imagery all the pentagrams does point to some sort of cult involvement They think yeah, I mean this guy was trying anything, but at this point they put out all told shit look every single

Wall in Los Angeles was covered with this description this description this sketch Was the sketch because I'll tell you Remember there was a situation here in New York City where there's a man going around killing people in the delis I remember they they they dubbed him the duffle bag killer. Yeah, John. No duffle John do duffle bag and the sketch They had of him looked like Jay-Z And the man was an Italian with a mustache and a huge nose with a receding hairline Well, no one wants to believe that Mario is gonna be committing these horrible Exactly. Well, are these was the sketch mildly accurate at least if we we're gonna post this up on the page apparently Lou Reed

Kill looks exactly like Lou Reed Somebody was just listening to a Lou Reed Elbow, but actually the kind of work because it's the eyes. It's the penetrating eyes his fucking Wavy beautiful hair. It's not as bad as the yeah, Joe duffle back. It's not as bad But yeah, that's that's the pay and he's much older in the picture than Richard Maris actually was Richard Maris 25 Yeah, all this was going on man. What have I done with my life, huh? 32 years old. We haven't murdered anybody Let's call that a plus. Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's a positive

That's something you can put in your wind column. Thank you Marcus. You're welcome. I really appreciate that really ever succumbed to my demons All right, so night stalker is bored night stalker is out night stalker is out there and since LA isn't such a panic He has to leave town because he's not gonna stop killing But we're is smart enough to know that he can't do it in Los Angeles anymore. Sure He drives up to San Francisco get a Frisco baby. You gotta go to any of the girls. It's it's a beautiful town Go down to Haydashbury, man. Drop some acid learn about yourself. Look at the walruses. There's a lot of walruses there Seals what they're seals. Really? Yeah, I'm cool. Yeah. In fact. Yeah, great. Yeah, the seals are awesome They hang out around Alcatraz. You ever been to San Francisco Alcatraz. See if I was a prisoner

I'd be like we got to start riding some of these You guys look right at their window they got horses out in the ocean right there when we need them All we got to do is stab a pencil in the neck and we hold it like it's two holsters I'll get us out of Alcatraz and that was the most Floating dead Being played with my dead body tossed back and forth by seals. I do like the image I do like that. He killed Peter Pan. Okay. We'll explain that Richard Ramirez killed Peter Pan. He killed a six in San Francisco. He killed a 66 year old Asian man in Peter Pan

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you see the problem is is that no one was there to clap And like bring him back to life. Yeah Pixie dust and things like that The kids last name is Pan. Why call him Peter Pan? It's like someone called like someone being like last name like McDonald Like you want to be like oh, we should name him after our Joseph our grandfather, but ah, we got a name of Ronald Fuck this kid Ronald McDonald's. No one's gonna make fun of him. Yeah, this kid's done I'm so glad already. You don't have to worry about this kid During my research, I found this great article that was written in like such cheesy true crime style

And there's this one excerpt that I'd like to read from it right now describing the Peter Pan murder. Yes, please Of course Satan was guiding as every move. He knew that why fret about getting caught all these homes all these homes and Yet not once had the resident heard him entering the devil silenced their ears while they slept and he Richard Ramirez then took it a step further. He silenced them forever More blood to feed hell to keep its furnaces burning Inside the house Ramirez looked at his watch midnight a good time to kill He checked his weapon once more. Yes

Cylinder loaded these homes were all laid up pretty much the same He knew where the bedrooms were by instinct without pause He walked to where the couple slept found them snoring and pulled the trigger He loved the way their bodies jerked upon impact his senses tingled watching them rattle in death Hearing their throats beg for air watching as their pillows darkened with life's liquid underneath what was left of their skull See we were talking about with our friend of the show Nicolette. She was talking about how like wouldn't you just Wake up and run scream out of the bed as soon as your boyfriend got shot in the head Yeah, you got to think that that would be a real eye-opener there

Something that would get you out. This guy jacked off to that. Yeah Right like yeah, that I really enjoyed writing this Richard Ramirez article. It was very long. It's not true Now it's time to go. He wasn't having tea At 3 p.m. Every goddamn good time to kill. I suppose when it is it is a fine Time to smoke a joint and watch a movie. Yeah, I love that. That's my favorite thing to do at midnight Yeah, Richard Ramirez after this is the kind of press and did that come out during well? Well, Richard was still on his killing spree. What do you mean that piece of that article? No, no This is written by some jackoff on the internet. Yeah

Okay, I got him like wavewriter 999 yeah, but I would assume it was a similar sort of Sentiment that these people were writing as far as like in the newspapers and things like that They must have been coming up with these really grandiose ideas of what the Night Stalker was doing I'm sure that he loved ever God damn second of that probably just watching prices right eating fucking hotpockets Yeah, because he's just a drooling dipshit in avias going into a house with a machete He's a total piece of shit like he would have be you would be the worst employee at the Burger King if he wasn't Ramirez yeah, yeah, all the burgers got bites taken out of him. Yeah, and he's like I'm a vampire

You are fired. You are fired Richard. Oh good. I wanted to be fired anyway Do you guys think he was serious about All right, so things are really heating up for the Night Stalk Yep, he draws a pentagram on Peter Pan's wall and writes the words jack the knife I mean that's just him. We're just reaching for shed. That's a Judas Priest lyric. Yeah, yeah What the fuck is wrong with this guy? He's having fun the 1980 he took Judas pierce Priest lyric I love Judas Priest, but at this point in time you forget now

We look at Judas Priest is a bunch of gay clowns I saw them live the masters of metal in New Jersey and they weren't clowning around Henry No, that's very serious back in the day Judas Priest was like the hardest band around it's like Judas Priest and AC DC We're fucking the devil's music. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, it was wonderful Yeah, that was when it was good when you can wear a leather cap and no one said you were gay They said that you were tough. You were tough. That was you remember that you can wear a leather Ascot and like can tiny go-go boys shorts and and big long boots and everyone be like look at that tough, dude. Yeah Days are like go back to so how

Well Richard returns to Los Angeles after this and despite his face being everywhere and in fact possibly bolstered by it He goes for what is his last rape and murder Bill Carnes and the woman in This in this particular murder rape. She's I found three different names for her name is either Carol Smith and As Erickson or Renata Gunther. Well, it's gone there. It's Renata gun He's definitely bolstered by what's going on in the media because he breaks into these people's house They're engaged to be married by the way. Oh, he shoots Carnes three times in the head It turns himself over to the woman and he says, you know who I am. Don't you? I'm the one they're writing about in the newspapers and on the TV. I'm the screen door intruder

Yeah, and he say he forces her he says I like to say I love Satan say I love Satan beats the fucking shit over Out of her ties are up with neck ties and then Sodomizes her while making her say I love Satan over and over and over. Well, we've all done that And then at the end of it and then god damn. We've all done it. We've all done it. You've done it Marcus has done it I've sodomized a woman. There we go Halfway there the term sodomized. I know it makes it sound like I did horrible crime Really? Like you're Richard Ramirez. No, I I have sodomized a few women the only of course that makes me sound like I'm a horrible person You're not a horrible person. It was all consensual. Yeah, they loved ever second of it. I'm sure you were very attractive

You're a very attractive lover Very gentle then He's been in a loving relationship for a number of years now. That's what some would say it love That's good, but it is funny Marcus and I were talking if you look at the rap sheet It's it's rape and then it's like sodomy oral Copulation and murder and sodomy and oral copulation should not be illegal. No, there's not crimes. There's a rape in the murder Yeah, exactly So it is kind of bizarre that I would say

That you can make an argument that two out of those four Crimes that he's supposedly committed he showed they're not so this is so this happened He got away with this when what was the buildup to the guy? Identify right here. Did he kill this woman? He did not kill her. Oh, okay No, he didn't he just he just killed the man he walk as he was walking out of the house He found four hundred dollars and he says, you know, this is all that saved you This is all your life is worth said I would have killed you if you didn't have the money And then he says tell him the night stalker was here and she said I will he said say I love Satan

She said I love Satan like it's cheers. Yeah, yeah, just your friendly neighborhood spider-man What is happening? Say you love Satan and then gets it laughs and then leaves so See around it's fun. It's interesting that he didn't kill this woman again going back almost harken back to Zodiac You know where he went on that huge dry spell for so long because the media was there just like talking about who he was No, he loved it. He was he was building he loved it. I know I mean But the zodiac I don't think you had to go and kill so much because he was getting the the satisfaction from the media He was getting all the fame, right? Yeah, so do you think that's that Ramirez at this time was almost content with his position in serial killer Lore, maybe no, I mean, I mean he did take a vacation right after this

Yeah, and which is really it's it's interesting and of course his story lived on yeah Yeah, well what happened as far as him getting recognized is that the neighbors heard the screams in particular one thirteen-year-old boy named James Romero the third oh He noticed an orange station wagon pulling away an orange Toyota station wagon which Richard Ramirez had That was a current vehicle. Yeah, it was a current vehicle and the kid had actually had the wherewithal to write down the license plate number And of course the woman survived and I take it back the man survived to he had shot three times in the face You got to remember Richard Romero's is using real pussy guns here 22 is a real piece of shit gun a small bullet. Oh, I say it doesn't have much stopping power

You can he shot multiple people in the face and they've survived and they survived. Yeah, but then again, it's just not about that really It's about the other thing. It's about the conquering and then leaving That's right, and a good chef doesn't blame his knife or a bad chef, you know, it's like you can't blame I mean, he'd be bad if you got a bad knife Well, nobody knows that's chefs and serial killers. It's different. Yeah, well, I mean we're talking about butchering Yeah, but yeah, well, I mean a good carpenter doesn't blame his tools tools Yeah, and after this murder is when Richard Ramirez goes out of town He goes to visit his brother out in Arizona, but while he's gone the net just fucking

Comes down on him completely. Yeah, because then they get the because because then they they pulled a print They found the car He had immediately abandoned the car and they pulled a print from the car and they were able to match that To the testimony from a middle-aged woman named Donna Myers. She owned a rundown little hotel down in Yeah, where he had been staying at Skid Row. Yeah, you make it sound like a prostitute den the way you said hotel there It was a prostitute. Oh, it was. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, and he constantly talked to her about satanism and the black arts and all kinds of shit And in fact one time they were uh, she was watching the tv and there was a report about the night stalker out

And he walked up behind her and said now, wouldn't you be surprised if I turned out to be the stalker? Oh, he's just having fun now. She was like, absolutely not. Yeah. No, actually you're like my top two people I think it is. Yep. I was wishing it was my husband so I could fucking turn him in Get rid of him, but so they start, you know, she's it calls them about that says his name was Richard Uh, the fingerprints starting to come in and then once they get because of course he's been arrested multiple times As soon as the fingerprint comes back. Boom. It's Richard Ramirez. Drifter out of Texas His fucking face is absolutely everywhere and he has no idea because he's still out in Arizona And this is before facebook

Yeah, he like literally went to go hang out and then he came back from a vacation and be like, ah, all right Back to work. I cleared my hand and then so are we ready to get into the final story? Oh, yeah It's so fucking awesome. He walked into so apparently he got back in LA, you know, he's you know, he's back from vacation Yeah, it is when you're back to the grind. It's kind of stressful. Yeah, it's kind of sad But he goes in he goes in and he was totally like I enjoyed vacation, but you know, I'm almost tired from vacation I need a vacation from my vacation And so he went to a store and he was like Apparently it's like walking on the street

He's like people were staring at me as I was walking down the street and people were staring at me And he was like, why are people looking at me? And then he walked into the store He gets something and he looks at the newspaper and the newspaper has got a full color photo of him, right? Right right on the fucking cover and then he looks and then people start going El matador el matador el matador, which means the killer Okay, and he sees it and he fucking takes off and what's really interesting is that the woman that when we brought up in the first Episode was talking about how like when Ricky used to poke her in the back in the pencil That's right. She was like talking about how they used to play kick the can together and like the richie was always the fastest

We're all not in the neighborhood And so there's this weird parallel to when he was this kid where he was as bright sprightly like sports playing kid He takes off through the neighborhood and then the police lines start blowing up There's like there's a dude running through my backyard. There's a dude like he's hopping fences He's running through the neighborhood people chasing him down the street. Um, and basically he gets It's beaten by a mob a mob. I love it. He aces him through Los Angeles And they beat the shit out of him one had a flagpole Is it what took a black wolf from like all the american flag and beat him?

He's covered in blood and basically two dudes fucking stood on him like stood on him And they were like and called the cops and they fucking came and got him. It was like frankenstein It really is. Yeah, it was a pitchfork type situation They had to know but this is where we're saying where it's like la worked together And got him the neighborhoods got him. What a bizarre feeling. It was like the end of machete Yes, yes Great movie starring danie trejo. It's a wonderful movie. Um when he was arrested. He told uh a cop I want the electric chair. They should have shot me on the street. I did it, you know

You guys got me the night stalker. Hey, have let me have a gun to play russian roulette I'd rather die than spend the rest of my life in prison. Yep, absolutely So then he went to jail and then the game his like began his like super sensational trial You know, it caused the the trial lasted four years It cost the state over two million dollars and why did it last so long? Because the defense attorneys kept giving him the run around first of all, he had half a dozen attorneys He kept firing attorneys and bringing them in they kept trying to find every single loophole in the system But he would have the pentagrams join his hands and doing a thing and he was doing like on a on a what's it uh,

He was just doing like like off the cuff interviews with people talking about satan Yeah, and he kept yelling hail satan in the middle of the trials. They interviewed 3000 potential jurors to finally get down to 12 because I mean, how do you do it? Yeah, how do you do it? It ended up being uh six hispanic six black jurors that were on the The trial for richor ramirez. There was one juror. It was good. It's kind of a funny story There was one juror. There's one of many, you know, this is a laugh a second one juror There was this rumor that richor ramirez was trying to smuggle a gun in someone was going to give him a gun

One of his fans wanted to shoot the prosecuting attorney. Yeah, he wanted to shoot the prosecuting attorney. He did Yeah, richor wanted to shoot the prosecuting attorney I can't believe it He uh, there was this big rumor and one day one of the jurors didn't show up They went over to her house and she was shot dead. Yeah, she was shot. That's everyone's like, oh my god He's you he's like broke out of jail is gonna do it, but then it turns out She was shot dead for another for a domestic dispute their husband shot her Okay, but let me just say that marcus did preface this but this is a funny story. Yes

But then it did end up with another woman dead. I didn't say I didn't mean ha ha funny. I meant like, you know, like funny Oh, weird. Yeah, like don't you think it's like this like the song uh, ironic Are we gonna be allowed to be around our grandkids? Is that I just I'm concerned Uh, there were over a hundred witnesses in uh in the trial so many eyewitnesses people had saw him here people It's on there everywhere. Uh, here's what they here's the impact. They said the media had on richard This is from a book by philip carlo and this is this is to me. It's really fascinating Yeah, for the first time he realized that to people like him people of the night

He was a hero. He was somebody he liked that for his whole life He'd been a tall lanky nobody just another angry eyed hungry face in a hungry crowd But now people stopped people paid attention stared and pointed he figured no matter what he did They were going to convict him and kill him so he decided to take control But we talk about this all time with serial killers in america We have this weird sort of like they really believe that there's like a personal timeline that you reach this point in your life You should have a family you should have xyz. You should have a job. You should have this level of success We now are in this place now where especially in these times in like in 2014 that people want that validation

From people they don't know they want to be famous everybody wants it And this this is just a perfect example of just somebody who like he was a misfit. He wasn't all these guys every serial killer They're always like they're not good at anything. They can't make personal relationships. They're monsters. They don't know what to do They they can't make their way in america. So they're like, well, you know what I can be I can be a fucking Super killer. I'll get my face on the on the cover of the, you know, whatever la times Any which way possible at a big scary and then I go from a frail little piece of shit kid To the scariest motherfucker in la. I'll get on it. I'll get on mtv. I can't sing well I'll get him pregnant because I'm 15 and a half

Yeah, and then I'll be on vh1. Yeah, it is a very similar thing and that's a good point And it's really fascinating. You wonder if there was the reality show outlet for Richard Ramirez Oh my god, would he just be the next or the latest pickup artist? Yeah, you know, would he have like with the night stalker and it's him in a concrete like cube Would he be chris angel? He like gives the rose through the cube like the cube bars And then they come in and he's like grabbing their hands whenever they get close to him and then they pull away and be like I understand richie. Nobody else does. I can't wait to get some one-on-one time with him. He definitely god

He ate my breasts. Oh, wow Oh, and what a good meal they were. Um, it is weird It is the time uh, you could argue that he he did do exactly what uh, society sort of wanted him to do I mean after after they start feeding the the dialogue after they start making the storyline He did just fill an outline. That was the argument. He made to himself was that that's how you validated Be like they wanted this out of me. Let's hear what he has let's hear what he has to say about exactly that People in this day and age are brainwashed and programmed like a computer at being nothing more than puppets This nation this country is founded in violence

Violent delights tend to have violent ends. It's Madness is something rare in individuals, but in groups people in ages it is the rule Killing is killing whether done for duty profit or fun Men murdered themselves into this democracy Yeah, you're good at reading your script, Richard, but you're not much in answering my direct question A lot was made that you're a devil worshiper Do you worship the devil? Have you ever studied satanism? There are different sects of satanism. Have you still just yes or no? Have you studied satanism? Yes. Yes, I have

Are you are you a worshiper of the devil? No comment Come on, Richard. We're I can tell you a little bit about satanism. Well, I'm interested in hearing what you got to say. It is undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit It is power power without charity The satanist admits to being evil. Do you admit to being evil, Richard? We are all evil in some form or another Are we not? I'm asking you the question

And he's kind of hot, you know, you were talking about you know, yeah, yeah. Yes. I am evil Not a hundred percent, but I am evil Evil has always existed Perfect world most people seek she'll never come to pass and it's going to get worse The great epochs of our life is when We gain the courage to rebaptize Our evil qualities as being our best quality He kind of sounds like the native american from Wayne's world too. He does

He really does. Um That's great. No, but he uh, yeah, he he did it. He uh, he lived for something technically bigger than himself What he said, you know, like he said that that was a part of that was how he validated it as well Um, and then he went on to get married in jail. He got married in jail to a woman I had a great time during the trial. He laughed his way through the entire thing Absolutely. The woman was describing being raped what next to her dead husband's body. He cackled Right, like as loud as he possibly could now. He's also playing the part of the black hat You know, I mean, I think that he did think it was very funny. Yes, of course

Yeah, because he did it and then you know, but then he uh, he went on to die Uh in jail at 54 years old, you know, and uh, but he was uh, that was a true fucking monster That's a true american monster. He's the scariest one that I think it's the scariest one we've researched so far It's important. So again, what are the what are the lessons been if you're in a fight with your couple don't have one person sleep on the couch Yeah, yeah, the bed you gotta say you love each other. Yeah. Um, keep your door shut. Fuck's sake Yeah, you know, I guess I don't know you have a knife by your bed I have like, uh, I have a stick that I use Well, you're repulsive. No one wants to put a rag on it and I fucking scratch my ass with it

That would work. So it's got a two fold purpose. Um, um, yeah Yeah, I mean, I don't know man. Just be careful of people with beautiful hair. This is a dude who was uh, yeah Looking into his eyes is like looking to the eyes of like the real devil. He was the real He was a real monster. He was a beast and a and it's great for comedy great for comedy. That's what we do it Um, thank you guys so much for listening. Uh, and that's um, yeah, I guess this is this concludes our uh two part Yeah, absolutely. Uh, yeah join the facebook page. Um, I'm gonna be in la Uh, so I'll be skyping in I'll be skyping in from here and out for the next two months Uh, if you uh, you're fucking if you're in la, um, and you got, uh

A line on free burritos. Let me know. I love that. Yeah Let keep Henry happy when he's out there. Of course, Henry loves you. That's his at twitter marcos parks and then I'm ben kissle and uh Yeah, you guys hate and a round table on top and listen to those shows too and uh, and of course once your preface is going to Hell, which yeah, well to eventually come out with new episodes, which will be very very excited. Absolutely There was a fella was funny There was a fella who posted that uh an advertisement on the facebook page and then somebody wrote uh, is it worth watching? Uh, like uh for those that don't know Henry is the star of your preface is going to hell

And uh, I assure you it is worth watching and it's and if you ever if you if you don't like Henry You'll love it because he gets urinated on the first episode. It's great. Uh, which is really uh, very perfect Uh, so hail yourselves everybody. Help me. I'll gain the ghostly chance. All right. We'll talk to you If only the good have crapped a little louder. What's that a louder poop would have helped? No, no, no like crap. Oh crap. I see. I thought you said crapped. He did. He did technically. Oh, I see. I'm in it. I'm wrong I'm sorry. You misunderstood the character. I'm sorry