Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 112: Gangstalking

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

We explore the nefarious technique of gangstalking, which could either be a real-life tactic used to drive the good people of the world slowly insane or a paranoid fantasy of the more deluded members of our species.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. Why? Fuck your glass. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? I got the summer time blues, my friends.

Oh, interesting. I can't wait to hear you complain about the summer time blues. This is my problem with being in Los Angeles is that my sandals are just too shiny from the streets being so clean. Do you want me to go into my pulled groin? I just got on the way over here when I slipped on the ice. You pulled your groin? Oh, I pulled it good, Henry.

That's, you got like a nine foot groin. I know it's a lot to pull. That's a lot of muscle. I know it's like a Laffy Taffy. You just got to keep on stretching and stretching it, but it never tastes good. Nobody wants it. It's like a cow tongue. That's right.

You're fucking horrible, long fucking droopy Salvador dolly body. Well that's nice. We haven't talked in over a week and a half, so it's nice to have you back. That's Marcus Parks. I'm Ben Kissel. We're joined by the beautiful Henry Zabrowski who is currently struggling in that Los Angeles heat. Oh, man, I got too much salt in this car from the oceans I've been surfing on.

Oh, you've been surfing the ocean since you got out to LA. Yeah. What I do is I get a garbage can lid and I just hold on to it when it goes back and forth. That's amazing. Yeah. This place is too sunny. Yeah.

What's going on? It's Hollywood, Henry Zabrowski. I'm sorry. That's all my money coming out of my pockets. I think that sounds more like, it sounds more like Atlantic City, Henry Zabrowski sitting there sad playing the slot machine. Trump Tower, Henry Zabrowski. I love the boardwalk and I love big fat people's horrible feet.

Well, speaking of big fat people, today we're going to be discussing some of the people that we'll be discussing are big and fat. It's a phenomenon that originated, I don't even know when this thing came about, but it's called gangstalking and it's quite phenomenal. Marcus, what's this thing all about? Gangstalking, it's a slang term for a set of tactics used in counterintelligence operations involving the covert surveillance and harassment of targeted individuals. But really jumping into the Co-Intel Pro stuff, it doesn't even start there.

This story is so convoluted and crazy. I got involved in this idea, like last time I was in LIA, I listened to this coast to coast involving a man named Michael F. Bell, who wrote a book called Something Like the Hidden Prison and it's about his dealings with this apparently gangstalking activity, which is like a group of people decide to just make you nuts. Yeah, so let's go into that. So there's a, okay, so gangstalking is basically, there's one target, there's one individual that's life, whose life is being turned upside down, they're being driven insane by a group

of other individuals that they don't know that are all working together to terrorize them in really small sort of like, if you're a ghost and you just like turn on the light but then turn it off really quick, even though theoretically you could like blow up the entire kitchen or something, it's very small forms of, of driving people insane, right? It's like living with a drunk bin kissle. Oh, I see. And like the furniture's being rearranged around the house and you're like, oh, that's funny.

And then, oh, remember, I forgot my big foot roommate drank a pint of fucking Burberry's last night. So he got, he got really into the house, but he got all redecoratory. And of course, when you come in, you approach me with it, I say, I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't rearrange anything in the house because I was a drug. You do the same thing. Make them feel crazy.

Again, gangstalking tactic, another tactic is like, they talk about basically you walk on the street, people honk their horns at you, people yell at you on the street. You overhear people talking about you on the street. Right. Things get rearranged in your house. You don't realize it. You get poisoned, raped, drugged. I don't know about there's a rape charge.

There's a lot of rap in this story. Really? I'm gonna be old Jackie about today's episode, but there's a great deal of rape that is involved in gangstalking. And also, people then being convinced that they are, that like a one thing is that the gangstalking, the way they destroy any tactic you have of talking to the police is that they flag you as being known for a person that has violent inclinations. And so no one will ever trust you again.

I see. Well, Ben, you ask where gangstalking came from and where the term kind of originates. And a lot of people say that the Stotz, the East German secret police force, they were some of the first ones to really implement this idea. They used to call the tactic Zersetzung, which is German for corrosion, which also a type of soup you can get. Yeah. That's my favorite kind of soup.

It's not cold like borscht, but it's not hot like chicken noodle. It's in the middle. It's warm. It's made from your two-carded buggy, whatever you drive in Russia, whatever they say. You leave like a puddle of open vodka in a cup holder and a plum in there and it turns into soup. Yeah. That same soup.

But no, but that's really true. That is a, they talk about this a lot of times in gangstalking because they're back and for the Stasi would use like hand signals and they would like confuse people and like get kind of wrapped up into their life in order to make them basically to discredit people. So it was used as a political vendetta to make the, you know, so for like political opposition to make them too bonkers to be taken seriously in elections. That was sort of, that was the, that's the original purpose of this thing. Well, the big thing that they used to use them, the people that used to use them against

a lot would be whistleblowers. Okay. People that were coming out in opposition of the government or against a certain corporation. And the point of it, it's kind of a two-prong type of process. There are two, I guess, objectives in this. The first one is to completely remove any and all credibility that these people may have because of course they're taught, everyone they're talking to, they say, there's people following me.

There's somebody fucking with me. I don't know what it is. And so anytime you try to go to like, yeah, and so every time you go to the hospital and you explain these things that are happening to you, like what Michael F. Bell said is that he spent a week in the psych ward because they take you and they're like, oh yeah, people are open and closes their car trunks at you. Come here. Come a little closer and they're like, oh, what's that big jacket?

And then back. Get in there. Get in there. And then like big footed Jim never thought he was going to have a job until he was hired at the psych ward to kick people into the loony bin. The other purpose of this is of course these people are spending a lot of time gathering information about these governments or certain corporations or individuals is they suddenly all of their time is being used to try to figure out what the fuck is going on.

They're doing more investigations into their harassment rather than the actual important information that they were working on in the first place. Absolutely. But this is also, this was the real shit. The stuff that we're dealing with now is people who believe that they are, that they, they call them targeted individuals. They call themselves like TIs and that if they are chosen, it means that they are like now we've extrapolated to fucking whatever is happening in the middle of psychotic America.

They believe that maybe they were up to something, they were unbeknownst to them really important to some gigantic global fucking network and that now they're being targeted for a specific reason. Well, nobody wants to be fat Susan sitting on the couch. People want to be fat Susan cracking the case for, you know, the NSA and in figuring out what we're doing over there in Afghanistan or something like that. No, no, if you're already super paranoid, all this does is confirm your bullshit that you believe that you are, that you, well, it's real.

Like that saying, you know, like maybe you're not paranoid. Maybe they really are out to get you. So do you think, I mean, because I feel like, you know, maybe back in the day, like old school, like German tactics, I would imagine that there was probably someone who found a couple of books he wasn't supposed to see in Germany. And perhaps you could have a very rational, it would be very rational to explain that people were, you know, tormenting him and taunting him. But nowadays, I don't, I feel like people are just really bored and they want to feel

more important than they actually are. And they go on some message boards and they see a couple of ridiculous conspiracy theories. Next thing you know, a guy farted on him on the subway or took a toot on their face on the bus ride and they're talking about gang stalking. And you know what? I can give you an exact example of that exact thing. Henry sent a great article from Yahoo Voices. Are we talking violent flatulence here?

No, no, no, you see Yahoo Voices, this is a real America coming forward and talking and telling their stories. All right? I'm sick of looking at Wikipedia, I'm sick of what the fucking government has got to say about it. That's right. And so-called police and medical doctors have to say about it. I want to see what the American people got to say about it.

That's right. So this is some excerpts from this woman's experience with gang stalking. Do we know that this is a woman, by the way? Yes, we do. Okay, it says, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We definitely know. Here is her personal experience, just this is a day in the life of this woman.

Here's what she says, across from me were two college-aged kids taking pictures of me and talking about me lowly, but loud enough so I could hear, behind me was a man in a suit who after the bus ride said, they were being too loud for you, weren't they? Caddy corner to me was a curly-haired woman who seemed to be talking on her cell to someone in the front of the bus I couldn't see saying something like, how can she come off so sophisticated and then do something like that? Right. The bus stopped.

It was a specific sentence like that and you're like, that has to be about me because no one else would come across as sophisticated and do something like that. When the bus stopped, I followed the curly-haired woman and tried to get her to admit why she was following me, but she practically ran away from me. Like she was terrified of a lunatic chasing her from the bus. Yeah, because you were going up, going like, what are you saying about me? What are you saying about me? It's just so funny because the same woman that she thought was gang stalking her could

have the exact same thing be like, I got off the bus and this woman followed me and demanded answers from me. I ran away. I'm being gang stalked. And about halfway to hers, I was chasing her a big, intimidating black man. She does sort of write it like that. Stepped in my path until I stopped following the woman. So I just feel, and this woman has a whole bunch of very specific examples of that.

She has another one that I thought was relatively hilarious when she was talking about going to concerts and she's like, people will come up to you at concerts and they'll talk to you like your friends, but they don't really like you and they're all wearing the same shirt. You know, like a Metallica shirt at the Metallica concert. Oh yeah. Cause it's a Metallica concert and they're selling them out back. No, these people are, I just think that there's a lot of it that's really very strange, but

I do love when it heads into that conspiracy angle where we like learn about this thing called the Royal Queen Society. There's a lot of people who believe that they're being chosen for this because they're a part of some sacred bloodline. Okay. So let's go into that. So what is the, first of all, Henry, do you actually, cause I mean, obviously it's kind of fun to make fun of this chick.

She seems like not that credible, but it does this, you could organize this online now. You really could torment somebody. It seems like, you know, they talk about how the people, there's probably somebody very powerful in charge, but it's probably someone like Jean-Mie from the private school girl and wonderful Netflix thing. It's probably just some, you know, the coolest girl in school telling all of her friends to go torment, you know, whoever. Yeah.

And then she kissed the wrong boy. It's like, sincerely, you really believe that there's a dude in the Bilderberg group with just like, oh man, I hate fat Timothy. I hope he fails his chemistry test this week and then start sending people to harass him. And this is terrifying. That would be if you get your chemistry test and all the answers are already filled in and they're all wrong. But I didn't fill it in, not fill it in.

This woman, I mean, she explicitly says, she says, yes, all this can be chalked up to paranoia, but I know better, and then in bold, it says, paranoia does not exist. Paranoia does not exist, which is just like the most paranoid thing that one can say. But I feel like you would feel super paranoid if this was happening to you. But she was saying like, but then she goes on to do, there was another story about how, so another thing that we'll get into the Royal Queen stuff. I got kind of jumped at how nuts that is. But again, so in each one of these cases, it seems to escalate where this one woman

from the story of this thing called GangstalkingJournal.com would talk about how people would open and close their car trunks outside of her house, waking her up at all hours of the night, right? And that's where it started. Then she started getting evil poems written and put inside of her house, all stuff like, but stuff like, not saying I'm gonna kill you, but just stuff saying stuff like, you're not good enough. You don't serve this life, right?

She was just being courted by a really bad Romeo. He was just trying to love her. In 1945, this is Jimmy Stewart hitting on a woman. That's right. You're too stupid. No one loves you, but I do. I do. I'll take care of you.

So in 2004, it escalated to this, while on a trip to visit friends in Austin, Texas, I was covertly drugged, interrogated, raped, and well tortured in various ways, involving physical but mainly psychological forms of abuse. She says that she went out, she said that they was drugged with Xanax and a cup of coffee over a period of three days. I mean, I'm sorry. What is she? A Mormon?

Coffee and Xanax? These are the same, these are the same grade now? It's like weed and heroin. Xanax just makes me feel groovy. Yeah. You know, Xanax is just great for planes. So I'm sorry, I just don't believe that you just, she just had a gang bag and felt bad about it.

Xanax and coffee, come on. It actually kind of mirrors then what could actually just be victim blaming from police. And so it's like, I was repeatedly drugged with alternative doses of Xanax, methamphetamine and strong hallucinogens. I can only assume something like PCP. This went on for three days total. During these druggings as the lightest form of harassment, I was made to act out all kinds of stupid human tricks to dance suggestively or to act out embarrassing scenes.

They made her do a shitty letterman gag? Yes. She never wrote an MK Ultra trying to make, you know, superhero, you know, superior warriors. Now they're just doing bits. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Then a hook comes out and pulls her up and the dude with the bag on his head comes out and he does all the dumb jokes.

Did she have to touch a stump like she's on the Apollo before she does her little tricks? And so I was made to say inflammatory things about various ethnic political and other groups. So maybe she was doing a podcast. Yeah. She was just drunk. She's just drunk. The agenda here was to use footage of these remarks to sign me up for harassment for her to sign me up for harassment from militant factions of such special interest groups.

And so basically she said they were on then they were in mass, like very similar to the Michael F. Bell story where he said he took a drink from a beer, woke up in a warehouse with two dudes with two dudes with carnival max playing with his balls, which just also again, just seems like a wild weekend. Like Mike Tyson showed up and an Asian guy jumped out of a trunk naked. I mean, this is the hangover for Christ's sake, the hangover for this whole. I don't know what the truth is. Well, how these regular ass people, how they justify themselves being targets of gang

stalking. Cause they say, you know, the big thing is that it's mostly whistleblower blowers. There's a lot of people that were former Scientology members. Oh, I see. It's a game that they were gang stock, which that actually does have some, I think that has some, some validity to it. Well, as far as cult gang stalking and things like that, that happened with Warren Jeffs, you know, the, the fellow there in Utah, his huge cult, like if someone left it, they would

be gang stocked. I guess I don't think it was called gang stock, but definitely a Scientologist when obviously Miss Katie Holmes, when she broke up with Mr. Tom Cruise, by definition, she was being gang stocked. Scientologists, they call it fair game. When someone leaves, when it's like 50 people all working together against one person, that's the fair game. When someone leaves the church or says anything negative about the church, those people automatically

become fair game, which means the Scientologists can do pretty much whatever they want for a, a, a, a want to them. I heard a story yesterday. Someone told me about it is that there were, there was a graphic designer that had done some work for Beck. Yeah, who, Beck is a big Scientologist, his grandfather was, uh, I think, I mean, among the founders, but Beck is a huge Scientologist. And he's just doing like, it's just a dumb fucking Photoshop of like a devil giving a

haircut. It's like, it's a devil's haircut, I hope you like that. And so, uh, Beck never paid for it and this woman started talking shit about Beck and started talking shit about Scientologists all around Holly, which she lived in Venice at the time. Okay. And after that, there started to be this very concentrated effort against this woman to drive her insane and she eventually killed herself like through gangstalking tactics.

And that is supposed to be the number one goal of gangstalking is either so crazy that you're useless or you kill yourself. Yeah. And how regular people, uh, how they justify themselves being gangstalked, even though they haven't pissed anybody off, they're not big whistleblowers, they say that they are practice individuals that before these gangstalkers really, uh, before it like say they get into an Edward Snowden or something like that, they have to, you know, practice on Fat Timothy.

Yeah. Poor Fat Timothy. All he wants to do is go to the hamburger stand. That's it. He doesn't want to be followed. Fat Timothy is the P. He's a little Buddha. He's a little, he's a little monk. There's no reason to come at him, but he's the perfect victim because he is a victim,

one victim. He is. So the end goal is to have these people, uh, kill themselves. And this is a fairly common horror trope, you know, driving people insane, driving families insane and things like that. Yeah. Cause also just the term, and the term gaslighting is thrown around quite a bit because that's also the truth is that the problem again, is that you, it's, it's just like,

Henry, explain what's, what's gaslighting? Gaslighting is when you do, when, when you, when someone does something and basically what you want to do is destroy their argumentative logic by making them appear or, or you believe them to be crazy. Just being like, if someone has a certain opinion, you say that they're crazy. Like, you know, like what these people say all the time, they'll find someone taking a picture of them and then like, ha ha, this bitch can see me over here. And then she's like, what do you say to me?

And they're like, I didn't say anything. That's gaslighting. Oh, I couldn't stop thinking of that image from dumb and dumber when Jim Carrey lit his fart on fire. And he dropped the pants, I think that feels like a good way to just disprove, like someone could have the greatest point ever. But if you drop, I would let a fart on fire. You won the argument.

Otherwise known as the Ed Larson Express. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bad, bad as shit. Good job, Henry.

Other texts on gaslighting include breaking into somebody's household and moving things around. Okay. Like you just walk in and, you know, where a lamp will be, you leave the house and the lamp is on one table, you come back and it's on a completely different table. And then your furniture will be moved around. Just all kinds of things. And that blends into the glitches in the matrix thing, too.

Yeah. Where you're like, you start to believe that maybe your reality's falling apart. And there's a lot of people like that. I don't know if there was a series of videos that went up on YouTube that she put up where a woman was convinced that this mailman was following her and harassing her. And they're very frightening. She was highly terrified. But you watch this video, I'll put it up on the Facebook page of her confronting this

mailman being like, I know what you're doing. I know what you're up to. And he's like, ma'am, you need to get the fuck away from me. I am a mailman. I am a mailman. I can, I can put you in a box and I can send you to England. That's right. Send her.

Where did Garfield always send Nermal? Abu Dhabi. Send her right to Abu Dhabi. So the main, the main difference between like this, because I can't stop thinking of the pair of the similarities between like cyber bullying and things like that. Yeah. But the main difference with this is people are, it's like live, it's like improv everywhere. Yeah.

It's like improv everywhere. Yeah. Like malicious and sadistic. Yeah. They hire a certain, like they'll hire criminals for this time. They'll hire criminals, homeless people. They'll go to. That's actually kind of nice.

Yeah, it is. It gives them a little bit. It's a job creator. That's right. They'll go to neighbors and they'll tell, how they get the neighbors into it is they'll go to the neighbors and they'll tell them like, listen, this person is under investigation for a possible crime. We need your help on this.

We need you to do such and such to him. Yeah. The idea is to like pray and use people that love to get off on a feeling of power. That's what they say. But then it's also, it ranges to their family and doctors and police. Like this woman talking about how they, she said that she was assaulted. She went to this emergency room, the same story from gangstalk and journal. She went to the emergency room after she said she was an assaulted and she said the nurse

essentially like they did the rape kit. And then she's like, you're not going to get anything from this. And the nurse threw it out in front of her and that people would walk past or smash in the windows of the, of the, of the, whatever the room that she was in. Yeah. But again, maybe is she crazy or is this stuff happening because it happens to hundreds of people? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it seems like something that could happen and it certainly would happen. I think it happens to like political figures relatively regularly. I mean, there's a whole bunch of files and things like that. Everyone knows everything there is to know about their political opponents and stuff. So I guess it could make sense. I'm not sure if it really works in these really micro levels, but possible and would be terrifying. You want to talk about a micro level.

Here is a description of a psychological operations tactic. They use like on the smallest level says when you're walking through a mall or a downtown shopping district, a surveillance team will intentionally interfere with your route. A pavement. Well, that's just if you're black at a mall, every black man's life in America, isn't it? Others will absentmindedly cross your path, forcing you to change paths. Other people will inadvertently obstruct your path. Then as, you know, the pressure continues to build, people will start to bump into you.

They'll jostle you. You they'll step on your heel from behind. They'll create big lines for you. So you have to wait a long time for your. This is just living in New York City. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. I just feel like these are people who really think that they are the most important people

in the world and everyone is just out to get them when in reality, the mall is packed because it's Christmas time. No. And one of the, one of the people say is that if you notice this happening to you in public, if you notice people fucking with you like this in public, here's what you're supposed to do. Put your cell phone to your ear as if you're on a phone call and if you don't have a cell phone immediately accessible, just put your hand to your ear as if you are holding a cell

phone. Work directly at the perp's face, smile and say very loudly, they sent a brown noser. Can you hear me? Sorry. I have bad cell phone connection. I'll try to talk loudly. I said they sent a brown noser. Yeah.

Just some retard who'll do anything he's told. He doesn't even know he's working for just some brown noser. All right. Well, ma'am, ma'am, you were just totally brown noser. All right. I'm talking to your hand there, ma'am, and it's mentally challenged. Ricardo is a very offensive word. I have a mentally challenged son.

I know what you're doing. Now get out of my way. I'm trying to get into the amper copy of Fitch. That's right. So let's, I'm sorry. So they both use electronic harassment. That's the other thing that I discovered throughout all, through research and gang stalking, which is convoluted to say the least, is that they have a thing called electronic

harassment, which is this idea of using people like in a van outside of your house, using like your microwave to talk into your brain. They believe that they can send messages directly into your skull or use the microwave to cover your body in burns and welts. I mean, is the message just that 90-secondly perfectly cooked burrito? That's a nice message to get. By the way, Henry, how has the food been? You've been living okay out there?

Oh yeah. I've been eating like a maniac. I gained nine pounds. You're nine pounds. You've only been out there for 12 days. I have just been, I ate a lot of burritos. I've maybe eaten a dozen burritos. Wow.

And then I had burgers and tacos and I've been really going to town on myself. We could just do a whole nother podcast about it. Yeah, Ben, you can't say, I can see Henry's face, but you can't see him when he was just talking about that. The look of sadness on his face was, I mean, it was, oh, Henry, you're sad when you eat right now. Well, it's just, it's an activity to do. People come to me and they're like, what do you want to do?

And I was like, I put myself on a taco treasure hunt and they're like, you are going to get diabetes. You are, you are a John Candy in the fucking making. Oh, that's wonderful. He was a very successful actor, John Candy. Yes. He had nine heart attacks at once. Yeah.

Is that what it was? Nine heart attacks. Nine heart attacks. His heart literally went like, it's like he went to sleep one night apparently and he woke up and his heart had a fedora on and a back and like moved out. Wow. Yeah. It was too much for him.

Interesting. It seems like something out of a Ren and Stimpy cartoon or something. Oh, it is. That's pretty great. I think stalking has showed me that there's a lot more to life than just 11. Yes. Yeah. That's the lesson we're learning today.

There's a lot more to life than just living. You can also live with a bunch of people stalking you and making you seem like they're going crazy. Well, he mentioned the electronic harassment. There's also noise harassment, which I find absolutely fascinating with these people. Is it called the round table of gentlemen? That's burning yourself. They use a few different tactics, they use hypersonic sound first of all, which hypersonic

sound is that they can attune a certain sound that can only be heard by you because they can direct it where it is only to be heard in the immediate area around your head. So you'll tell people like, listen, there's this sound. It's driving me insane. I can't find out where it's from and they'll say, I don't hear anything. Yeah. Like, that's just your, that's your Dr. Dre beats headphones that you're wearing there. They're very good.

And there's another one that I haven't, Henry, you've probably heard of this and have you heard of the voice of God weapon? No. This sounds amazing. The voice of God weapon is where you can, it works the same as hypersonic sound where hypersonic sound is more of a white noise type of thing. But the voice of God is that you can direct a noise, specifically a voice directly into a person's head, like the immediate area surrounding it and no one else can hear what this person

is hearing, so they think they're going fucking nuts. And this is a real thing. This is a very, that's actually real. There is, there are patents, like I was reading about the electronic harassment and there has been extensive research done into using this for crowd control. They've been talking about you. They do it for like the idea is that apparently there was real patents that came out a while about using these microwaves.

Using microwaves, you put not the actual machine, just the actual waves, microwaves, you put information on them, and you can beam it to a group of people. And apparently all of these sort of public patents went private, the government bought them all out. And what they've been using them, apparently what they were using them for was to help control insurgent populations. That's what they want to do is create confusion in like militia. So each group is getting a different message?

Yes. And even though they're 10 feet apart from each other. You make them perpetually confused, but they don't know if that's real or not. There was, I mean, I don't know if this means anything, but a couple of years ago, I was sitting in a massage chair at a sharper image. It means nothing. It doesn't. That doesn't.

I would just, I would just want to plug the sharper image, Rashad, the massage chair. Is that all you did? Is this the story? No, no. No, they kicked me out eventually, but no, but they had a radio that, that was the whole point of the radio was that you stand right here and you can hear it. And if you go to the right or you go to the left, you can't hear it. And the whole point was to have like a, a quiet living room or something like that.

I forget. I don't need the government in my brain. That's why I play my tubes tunes on a violin. That's right. That's right. The only music I listened to was live violin. Well, that's a great, a great piece of music there. Yeah.

It's like I'm a little, I'm a little fucking Mozart or something. I don't know. I don't know either. But Henry or Marcus, you have something? Yeah. Well, you know, we've been talking about a lot of these people, a lot of these people on the internet. They're writing, and you know, these people, they're paranoid, but ultimately they're harmless,

you know? I guess so. Maybe. I mean, for now, they're harmless. And I don't know if these people are harmless because this is, this seems to go like they can still buy a gun, right? Well, that's what happened on September 16th, 2013, when Aaron Alexis bought a shotgun and went to the Washington DC Navy yard and killed 12 people, including himself.

The Navy yard shooting. Now, this is a great tie-in. Yeah. He claimed, because he truly believed that he was hearing voices and stuff, right? He claimed to have been stalked by multiple perpetrators and had reported that he was a victim of electronic harassment and noise harassment tactics. That's right. And remember, remember what he had carved on his gun?

He carved my elf weapon, which elf stands for extremely low frequency. Interesting. Very interesting. And of course, the way they, I mean, it was, it's a very difficult thing to get into a Navy yard and the fact that he was able to get in so deep and last as long as he did with a shotgun and take out 12 people, when you would think that's a relatively well-armed group of security guards at a Navy yard. And he took them completely by surprise.

Yeah. Wasn't it like on a Saturday or something like that? It was, I believe it was a weekday. It was a workday because that's how we got in because he had worked there for a while. His security clearance had been, it had actually been wiped out. Like he was able to talk his way in even with the expired security card. But he said, like the interesting thing about him is that, you know, everyone said he was schizophrenic.

He heard voices, all this stuff. But schizophrenia, that shows up in your late teens, early twenties. Yeah. He was 34 years old and he had never exhibited any kind of symptoms for schizophrenia up until a few months before this incident. And I would assume that he must have passed the health test and the psychiatric exams that would allow you to work in a Navy yard and it's a relatively safe, secure location. And he never thought that it was supernatural or anything like that.

Like a lot of these, actually a lot of these gang stalking people do believe that it's demons talking to them. You can pop into this where it's like, I was about to say is like, this is, I mean, that's a full example of, because then it's all like, well, these are the two are targeted individuals and it's like normal people or activists, but it looks like the people who are doing the stalking, they say, of course, maybe it's giant clandestine, some fucking black book government group, or it's a symptom of the hyper dimensional matrix reality. By the way, Henry is standing up right now.

Oh, is that what it is? I thought you went to the bathroom. Your voice has totally changed. Sit back down. Sit back down. Your voice has changed. Yeah. But I know you were getting a little, uh, yeah, a little excited there, but take your

seat. Young man. Yeah. I'm trying to tell people the truth. Yeah. Go into it. Go. What is the, what was the thing?

The hyper reality? What was that? On a thing called into worlds.net, when the article gang stalking and targeted individuals, she this woman explains that, of course, maybe it's just some gigantic shadow government thing, but also maybe just possibly hyper dimensional matrix reality, right? Hyper dimensional. Yeah. Hyper dimensional matrix.

Yeah. We all know what she's talking about. Yeah. The people involved with gang stalking activities may always be piloting their own wheel to put it straightforward manner. She says, other stuff may be manipulating them, working through them. There definitely seems to me a hyper dimensional component to it all, hyper dimensional as in non physical realms and entities.

We know what hyper dimensional means. I don't know what hyper dimensional means. That exists outside our own third density physical reality, unconstrained by space time, creating reality and working through people like puppet masters behind the scenes. And you know who could possibly be doing that? Who? Terry the gnome. Terry the gnome.

I can't fucking bitch. What's up Terry? I had no way. Hey, I'm climbing his car. Climbing his truck. Shut up so I can fucking wake you up, you bitch. Terry, why you been gang stalking all these poor women? Leave them alone.

They have tough lives. Big, long clits and I just want to bite on them like it's a salmon at the end of a string, you bitches. Wow. Jesus Christ. Terry, it's been so long since we've seen you. How you been? What have you been up to?

I've been lifting weights. You're getting stronger. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just lifting stacks of pennies because I'm so fucking small. Yeah. I was going to say, do you go to gold's jam or do you just, do you just lift in the front yard?

No, I hate seeing these fags run around their leather suits, lifting their weights, just gaggling for each other. Well, I mean, they're, they're muscle men, they're bodybuilders. What, what, what, what kind of a gym are you going to where everyone's dressed in leather? You know, it's a, it's a cowboy gym. It's a cowboy. It seems like you're just going to gay bars there, Terry. No, no, I'm just so sick of going out every night.

Every dude coming up to me, just being like, Hey, Terry, I want to suck your cock. And I'm just like, you wait, Terry. I mean, you know, we have a Michael Sam is a gay football player. He just came out to see myself. You can't, Terry. I don't want to come out as gay. Oh, fuck you. Fuck you.

You sell the poor doll. Are you looking monster? All right. We'll let you calm down, Terry. Thank you so much for coming back to the show, though. Yeah. It was nice to hear from him. He was.

And then he ran off. Yeah. Isn't that something just skittered off into the night. It must be Los Angeles. It must be. It's 95 degrees in this room that I'm in right now. I'm fucking. You just can't.

I'm just not feeling bad for you. No, not at all. 17 degrees. He just took his shirt off. He just took. Oh no. Well, now I feel bad for Marcus because he's getting the visual. Yeah.

I'm literally getting like a steam underneath my tits. Yeah. He just pulled up his right. Did it steam? Or did a dumpling fall out? All right. Good God. So is it demons?

Is it? Yeah. Is it dimensional beings that are doing this to people? Terry. My theory is no. No. You're going to say no. So, okay.

Are there any examples? Let's just say somebody goes through a whole process of getting gangstocked, doesn't end up killing themselves. Does it ever end? Do you? Yeah. They write a book about it. They write a book about it.

Like Michael F. Bell. And then you make a probably a solid $3,000 on selling your book on coast to coast. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. I did read one woman say that she has been gangstocked for the last seven years. And it continues on. It's a place over a long fucking period of time.

These people say they're suffering from it and it's also, I want to always do this. It's very similar to UFO and ghost phenomena where a lot of times these people experienced it when they were kids and then they comes back when they're adults. This one woman said that over and she had a moved, her and her child had moved to a different town of course because of the gangstocking activity. But everywhere that she went, she found a new person that was gangstocking her. Like she said that at her child's new school, all of the parents of the other children started stalking her, all of the other children started stalking her children.

It's just this woman is obviously very ill. Yeah. This is a specific brand. I think this is a specific brand of American paranoia. I think that there is a bit, because we even talked about back in the day about MK Ultra affecting the entire subconscious of the country. I think that there is something involved with how America operates between like constantly being bombarded either by people or advertisements or television and there are just some people

whose brains are jelly immediately and they go nuts. They just go nuts. They just snap in the middle of America and because of things like YouTube and because you can put up a website about your experiences, it's out in the open and that every person who's damaged is desperately looking for a group to belong to and so it's perfect to belong to a group of targeted individuals. It also seems like we have egos out of control here, right? It's a pretty egotistical idea that everybody is plotting against you, right?

Yeah. I mean, no normal person thinks that unless you're a female stand-up comedian, scratch it from the record. Scratch it from the record. But no, it's true. It involves, it really is, there is a type of egomania that's involved and it's a lot of it. It's got to do with that idea of that people said that they, you know, America, we're all

considered, we all consider ourselves temporarily embarrassed millionaires. Everyone's ready to be a star of their own show and this is how you get to be the star of your own show. Right, right. I agree because back in the day, the 30s, the 20s, the 40s, if you were schizophrenic, you stayed in bed. They didn't let you out of the house and now you stay in bed but you have a laptop and you're allowed to rant and rave on these insane websites and then it all.

I'll put it this way. So one of these theories is, in our searching for this, on this topic, there's a thing called gang stalking world that we found where basically there's another, there's like a whole other side to the targeted individual thing where there are people who believe that they've been chosen specifically and that they look at, like this guy puts himself as, this blog is going to be about my adventures with gang stalking, where it's the idea of you actively participate in it because now you believe you've been specifically chosen for a reason. Is there an end game?

Is there, what would be, what's the end game for him? You join a possible brand new world community that's trying to change everyone's life. So this is like, so this is sort of like a fraternity hazing process and then after he goes through getting gang stalked and his life is miserable, then it's like the end of the game. When, when Michael Douglas falls through the ceiling and they're like, happy birthday. Yeah, you've been making your life a living hell for, you know, whatever, how many months here, happy birthday.

And then they're friends. He wrote this sort of allegorical story to help people from help target individuals like join up with them and it's called the world of the royal queen. He really does believe that he's a part of a super spiritual bloodline that's been chosen in order to be a part of the next, next new spiritual society. And the way, so then I was like, okay, cool. So this guy's taking a fucking positive, he's taking a positive thing. He's taking it back.

It's like, you know, I'm not going to even say it. You take things back. Like the F word for you fat, fat, unpredictable. So one of his chapters is world of the royal queen, the royal mommy. So we were again, we read through a lot of interesting stuff and we're due to this podcast. So this is the royal mommy. This is what he's done. He wrote this to help you understand your place better in the world of the royal queen.

The royal queen and later years spiritually ended up being called the royal mommy because she had so many dozens upon dozens of children spiritually. She would become not just the royal queen, but also the royal mommy that seriously be making sense. Her family unit extends from the heavens onto earth province and beyond. She has children from the galactic provinces as well. The royal queen had children and children, so far as the eye can see by the end of it, there were millions upon millions of people related to the royal queen spiritually and

on earth province, there were thousands upon thousands due to her marriage with Lucifer and a few other key individuals. They seriously be making sense. He says they seriously be making sense at the end of each paragraph. Okay. That's good. And here's an, I'd like to point out an author's note that before we get too far into this. He says, the adventures of the royal queen have already occurred.

The vast majority of it was there in advance. She has lived most of it, loved, lost, and it was there. It is there and it continues to be there. Totally clear. Yeah, totally. Filling me with a calm energy about my gangstalking. Chapter, if this song should be sung, world, the royal queen, if this song should be sung is a spiritual based product that enables you to know if a song has been sung or a child

has been created. The spiritual based product is in real time, but it can also be checked later on. It seriously be making sense, but use your unique identifier system to check your history to see when and if a song has been sung. The information is private. If this song should be sung, we'll also enable you to check your various intimate or not so intimate encounters. The situation seriously be making sense if you were a grownup.

It's one of the cutest products ever created. It has the two sections created for grownups and also has a section that enable parents to keep track of other situations that suitably be making sense. It's one of the most instrumental products ever created. It's suitably be making sense. Wow. I have no idea what he's talking about. I sat and tried to read this for 45 minutes.

I found it. I went through it. I went back through the website, his personal website, which includes a blog that has stuff like destruction of Victoria's ivory at the palace. They destroyed an ivory chair that Queen Victoria had, a part of history, a part of human history, a part of Victoria's history. I was surprised, shocked and dismayed to learn that William wishes to destroy, give away, or do away with the ivory at the palace.

It's great what he wants to set some modern day example to be sure that it's always commendable. But some of these items belong to Victoria, Queen Victoria, and they ought not to be destroyed. They historic in nature and significance and should be preserved. And then him and then random postings about like other people that he says are targeted individuals and then various things about like saying that Kate Middleton isn't queenly enough to be queen. And then he posted Madonna's something to remember video. I see.

I see. Thanks to Jack off to some hot stuff. So he wants to, so he's taken the power back. So the target now has all the power. And you're just supposed to start playing along with the people who are gangstalking you. That's his overall message. That's his game.

Well, you know what? We can ask directly, as on the, as the author's note says, to find out more. If you have questions, the offices of the royal queen are now open to contact the offices. Please just verbally request to be in touch with the offices of the royal queen. So Ben, why don't you ask that question once more and we'll see if the royal queen responds. I would love to be in touch with the royal queen or the offices, Hey, offices of the royal queen. I want to be in touch with you.

Oh, it's been making most sense. Oh, I can't believe it. I didn't, I didn't think it was going to work. I thought this whole thing was kind of a sham. I got four teeth and they're all green as a rose. Really? Oh, it's such a privilege to be here with you, royal queen. Do you have any advice for me?

I would like to be targeted. I want, I want to be gangstalked. You'll never make it Ben Kissel. You're not strong enough. What do you mean? I'm not going to kill myself if a couple of folks get in my way in a line or talk poorly about me. President, you should feel bad about it.

Oh, I'm naked from the chest up. Oh my goodness, how, how big are your breasts? Oh, they're man size. Oh, okay. Oh, it's Henry. It's Henry. I don't mean to bust. I don't mean to, to squelch on the parade, but I just didn't think we're going to hear

be hearing from the royal queen in such a specific way. I was really wondering if maybe our podcast would just shut off. That's a good point. Thanks for saving the show. Henry, when I go to the taco stand later on today, I'm going to see if they give any fuck and give me any fucking problems. We had in a taco because one person gets me into a fucking problem while I'm getting a taco.

I know what the jig is up and I'm going to start taking it to the streets. Yeah, that's right. And everyone's actually everyone's going to believe you if you start ranting and raving about how you're angry with the taco stand. I mean, they're going to think you're crazy, but they are going to think you're probably right. They're like, no, you're just like your taco blood level is, uh, is 90%. Yeah.

Well, let's see anything else with his gang stock and stuff. Completely. I put up a documentary not all that long ago. I'm going to put up this information on the Facebook page, really get into it because honestly, like we're, we're describing it as well as we can, but you really, it's creepy as fuck. It is. And it ties into, uh, well, the, the two things that, uh, they, they bring up a lot

in relation to this is co and tell pro and MK ultra MK ultra shows up a lot. And in fact, some people say that, uh, that, um, Ted Kaczynski, the reason why he went crazy was a combination of MK ultra and gang stock and a bad haircut and a bad haircut. That'll, that always helps you go crazy. Terrible toilet paper. Oh, that'll make no two play. You can go nuts with no two ply. No, it's very true.

There is because we see a lot of the same MK ultra tactics than people who describe their gang stocking scenarios, like getting the psychic driving and then having like barbiturates and then speed putting on their system, knocking them out, using hallucinogens and like weird like hypnotic suggestions in order to get them to do shit that they don't want to do. Yeah. I mean, it's a good way for a government to, uh, maintain control to having your population rat each other out. I mean, you look at the Nazi Germany, for example, uh, that was a very strong tactic

that governments use. So it's really, it's very interesting. I really, I mean, to be honest, every part of me says that these people are totally insane, but there's just so much of it. I think there is some truth to it. I think it is rarely used, but I do think that I mean, I think it's used like you mentioned earlier. I do think it's used.

It's using cult. Uh, you know, it's used for cult, uh, power figures to control their populations. And it's certainly used, uh, with a Scientologist and they use it. So it's obvious, so it does exist. It's just, are just random people actually, are they really running tests on people in order to perfect their gang stocking techniques? It's possible. Yes.

They are. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? How many people? These poor people. Honestly, but I do feel bad for the people, but the more you read about it, it's like, whatever it is that's going on, it's like, it's either just, I mean, because we do have

a mental health issue in this country where these people are overlooked. Yes. Yes. And, uh, this, whoever writes about being gang stock should immediately on a flagged on a list. So when they go to the gun shows and when they go to Texas, uh, except for Marcus, uh, you're fine. I do not think that these people need to be armed and dangerous because they're shooting

it at everybody, uh, regardless of if they're talking about them or not. Yeah. But. Well, it's so good to hear you guys' voices again and so good to do the podcast again. It's wonderful. I hope that Yahoo! voices, if we could Marcus on the, on the page to get that one out there, because that one's really awesome. Yeah.

That one's great. And it's so great to be back here. Uh, everyone was so nice to Marcus. Yes. Oh, well, he was gone. I want to sincerely thank everyone. It really helped out a fuck of a whole. And, uh, and Henry, actually you, you're not able to partake in this, but perhaps Marcus

will be kind enough to hide some of, uh, the product that was sent to us from a fan, Randy Katzen. Randy Katzen, he sent some amazing beef jerky, Henry. He sent vacuum sealed homemade beef jerky. We destroyed a higher bag of it at the round table yesterday. You can't send beef jerky twice in the mail. It makes it go bad. Uh, so it's going to have to stay right here, but it's the best beef jerky we've ever had.

And you sent it to the last podcast on the left. You said it to me. You said it to me. Well, I want beef jerky. I want beef jerky. I got no. You're breaking it up. Okay.

Yeah. You just got so passionate about beef jerky, you broke up the feed. We lost the feed because you got angry over jerky beef. All right. So join that. Join the Facebook page, everybody. We're going to get back to the swing of it here. That's right.

And we got the, uh, the, the live show is going to be on the 22nd. Yeah. Here at the creek in the cave, uh, Henry will be Skyping in there because obviously he'll be, I think he'll be in New Orleans actually because you got to, you got some good news. You'll be working on a, on a film with Jack Black, right? We hopefully this will happen. That's awesome. And so that is, that is going to be a wide lens, Jack Black and Henry Zabrowski on screen

together. I don't think that's ever been done. Yeah. I can't wait to share a beignet with him, lady. The tramp style. Oh, it's going to be adorable. He's going to love it. Um, all right, everybody.

Thanks so much for listening. And then I am at Ben Kissel and that's at Marcus Parks and that's at Henry loves you for the Twitter thing. And a hail yourselves. How me. How keen. Hail Satan. I'm going to do a salation salation, someone bring me, someone find me in Los, Los Angeles

and pick me up and take me someplace drinking. All right. So you have your orders from Henry Zabrowski, pick them up and take them someplace drinking. That sounds good. All right, guys. We'll talk to you soon. Goodbye. Bye.