Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 116: Gary Ridgway
Episode Date: February 17, 2015Our Heavy Hitters series continues with America's most prolific serial killer, Gary Ridgway a.k.a. the Green River Killer. ...
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There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left
That's when the cannibalism started
Well, you have a machine your voice sounded weird there for yeah, what happened to you nothing are you a reptile are you a machine?
I am not a machine. I am a man. I don't know if I'm gonna be your gears worrying. It seems like you're a machine
You got a oil up there mr. Parks
No, you're not you're a cyborg get out of here Robo mailman. I don't even trust human mailman. That's a good point
All right, welcome to the show. That's Marcus Parks. I'm Ben kissle with us as always
Randall Jenkins. Hey, you know, hey, Sonny come down here. I know your mommy
No, I know because I've been looking in her windows, but I gotta have you run down the corner get me a 24 ounce
Or in a pack of ciggies, huh? Hey, get on out now. Tell me. No, man. Oh mailman Ronald. They know me
You're already on your feet. You're already walking around a little boy
Why don't you kind of know your mom ain't home because you know I've been casing your family for years and years and years
Why don't you come out with me to a mailman party? It's just mean a couple of mailman
We're gonna have some suds, you know, yes around will tie each other shoes
I'm saying wink-wink-wink-wink-wink-wink-wink. Come on. I've never actually seen you deliver the mail
No, no, no, I just got this big old truck penny eagle on it, you know and call yourself a mailman
That's been the main requirements of being a mailman. It's just calling yourself one
That's probably true. You just say it ten times in the mirror
You're so all yeah, that's yeah, then all of a sudden you're a mailman and now you're the mailman. Well speaking of
Trucks that are probably gonna lead to a murder would say are you again? So how are you gonna get to this? I am getting there. I'm getting there
Gary Ridgway big hitter series. Can we get out?
We just did
You gotta tell me I had a time
big
Series world series the big hitter series. We're talking about the Green River killer Gary Ridgway
Now this guy. Oh, he's a real demon. Yeah tarpa's a shack this guy
This is very different than any other killer that we have covered in our big hitter series
A lot of times it's like these serial killers these big hitter guys are like fucking human sharks their murder machines
They're clever manipulative. You gotta keep on moving here. You stop breathing. Yeah. Um, this man is a bit of a dumb dumb
He's got an IQ of 82
No, no, no, what was normally and I and by the way
I would describe him as more of a dullard. He's a duller. He is. Yeah, but I'll just say it's like my
You know, my cousin's got a bit of a talk about my he was a he was a manager of a McDonald's
And if he could keep that job for forever, you know, I mean then I guess he's stupid in his way
Gary Ridgway stupided his way into being one of the most prolific serial killers of all time
Yeah, we use the number one American serial killer in terms of victims
The only ones that really beat him that weren't just I mean like there's a guy named Lewis got a got a veto from Columbia
Who killed a hundred and thirty-eight, but he was just killing street boys
Yeah, they don't count you can do seven of them at a time
Sure, you just put them in a little cage and gas them and they'll just fucking they'll drop, you know, you do that in a second
Oh, yeah, you probably did this one and I'm just saying Gary at Gary Ridgway was more like of an Etsy
He did a handmade each one one at a time. It took him years. He was active for only like three years
Yeah, about two or three years, but he went uncaught for 30 well going back to that shark analogy during these three years
Yeah, he definitely did not stop moving. I mean what 49 confirmed deaths 49 confirmed kills that he was convicted for
But a few years after he was caught he caught to another 20
He went up to 71 right and the cops do take that seriously
Absolutely because if you already kill 49 it's you get and by the time I caught him in 2001, right?
That they it's been 20 years since he's really committed any murders because he fell in love
That's right. Well, yeah, you know, yeah, he fell in love because
He calms your your incessant sexual urges it does and keeps you from choking prostitutes to death with literatures
Mysterious ways, but we'll get back to that
I heard you we Lewis actually wrote that song about Gary Ridgway falling in love
Yeah, and I got bought by the back to the future producers for the back to the future soundtrack and made Kiwi Louie and the news
Sensations of the nation. Well, isn't that something? Thank you so much KC perverted case
Of course his name was the Green River killer, which was a bit of a misnomer
Yeah, again, everybody was stupid. Everybody was so dumb
They called him the green mirror killer because his first five victims were found in the Green River
And then he stopped dumping them in the Green River because they called him the Green River killer
Of course, of course because the man was not a complete idiot
No, he was kind of like he was like if a fart was a person. Sure. He's kind of like yeah
If a pile of candy corn was a guy. Yeah, that would that's Gary Ridgway sounds very tasty
Of course, all of his victims were prostitutes and as we've talked about on this show before prostitutes are known as the less dead
And half people yeah, and that's why he said that's why I kill prostitutes because he said they wouldn't be reported missing very soon
If at all which a lot of them weren't reported missing and also and that's this in the Seattle area
Which was a very segregated area of town. It was very there was there was a it was actually a lot of racism
And he killed largely black prostitutes, and then we've learned that all time
It's like it's suit if you killed bright black prostitute. It's like killing a ghost
Yeah, and that's the the less dead that's just referring to like they're dead, but people are just like they could care less
Yeah, well again, but then I watched the awesome BBC series born evil
The born to kill on Gary Ridgway, and there's a lot of social workers the main the original
Investigations when we'll go into this the original investigations were heavily covered by social workers that have been working with sex workers
Like one of his first victims was working with this social worker and just stopped showing up
And she was like this was a woman that she was like this the the social worker was saying that she was like
You know down and out she resorted to sex work because she was living with her like three kids
Yeah, loan in a hotel room, and they she had she was like just trying to make it
It was gonna fun to be in a hotel room
I mean it's honey
Prostitutes you got your three hungry kids. It's not like getting room service. I'm like going out and sitting by the pool
You know what I mean? It's a different down and out in LA. This is um, you know, it's your home
Yeah, yeah, I guess it's nice to have a home when you're in a hotel
Vacation right that's what I was thinking. Yeah, she wasn't on a vacation. No, no, no
She was on a permanent vacation which actually sounds pretty relaxing sure
Yeah, then of course and she won an even more permanent revocation when she was strangled to death by the Green River killer
Isn't that something that is the that is the permanent go way way way back to the way back
Well those sounds all like pretty there's pretty primitive things there you made your time machine out of I gotta go back and be in the mercury
Radio with old Orson Welles. That's when my skill set would have been used a ticking clock a cat
Door opening that is that's a Henry's time machine
That's good. You gotta tell it where to go. That's the sound of an operator ring ring ring ring
That's a telephone ring sure and then you were able to crack dimensions with all that and what's this?
That's just you eating
corn on the cob
anything
So Gary Ridgway was born in Salt Lake City. He was the middle child of three children. It's these middle kids are always a problem
I don't trust him always a problem. You can't trust him at all Gary was or Greg Ridgway. He was the favorite naturally
Blue eyes he has it is simple mouth. They were just like looked at Greg and they were then they looked at Gary
And they're like Gary's gonna be a killer. So Greg, you're the favorite by default
So his home life was of course super fucked up yet an extremely domineering mother
Who used to beat his father regularly there was even a police report of her breaking a plate over his head
And he had he was one of he had one of the he had all of the classic serial killer symptoms
He but because his he was a bed wetter
His mother would take him out of bed
What do you want to know statues in the park you fucking little peeing baby?
I mean, I don't even understand why this makes me a statue in the park, but yes
It's Gary, you know it does make you want to kill that's what he said
He and then he went he started torturing animals. Yeah, he smothered a cat. Yeah, okay, and he also was an arses
He had the triad. Yeah, he had all the serial killer
Did he have any head trauma did his mother ever hit hitting that hit him in the head with a plate?
I don't know. I don't think his mother wasn't physically abused. No, he was just born stupid. Yeah, I mean he kept on pissing himself
There are a lot of people that I mean the problem is that there are a lot of it's just serial killers
Ted Bundy was relatively smart and he peed his pants or you know, I mean
It's just it's a sign of deep mental insecurity. Is it safe to say this is got this guy is pretty much the opposite of Ted Bundy
Yes, he's extremely except but he got married three times. He still had to girlfriends
Well, this is they said in high school that he was a ladies man like I mean, I just don't know if it's a late
I don't really don't think I really don't think he was that done
I could see it happen 82 IQ. This is standardized testing. I'm serious. Yeah, I barely read
He said the whole thing that his mom would would have caught basically would like call him into her room and be like read to me
And he'd be like the band goes
Band band, she's like stupid
It's nerve-wracking when you know your mother's gonna yell at you she demands you read it in front of her
I'm burger. Okay. Admittedly. He didn't graduate high school until he was 20 years old and hamburgers was and that's okay
Okay, sure it is. He's Gary Ridgeway. You're just sound like every new American superintended
Sure, let him graduate till the 20 keeps him out of the workforce
That's right. Don't worry about finding a job keep him in high school
And one of his childhood friends also said that snacks were forbidden after school
His friend said a slice of bread after school was not allowed. You know what I say mama
Don't give me you know candy mama gets her breasts stabbed
Well, you don't stab the breast because his mother wanted to make him a healthy young boy
Well, there's all and then there's an interview and they were talking about like so this is kind of where
The the first impulses that but his that made him a serial killer started where it's like, you know
He was filled with rage against his mother
I think he would love M&M, you know the rapper M&M. Yes, I think he would love him
He would be a big fan because it's all about raping mommy
It's literally about raping because he would then he would go he would alternate between rages and they were like talking about in this
interview
This woman was like to speaking with him and it was him like literally going she was like
So what you want to do to your mother? Yeah, you have the clip. I've got it. All right. Let's play. Let's play a little of the clip
So what is what was your way of retaliating against her in your mind? What were you thinking to do to your mom?
I know I was thinking of hurting her I just wanted her to stop and
Let me alone
I
Angry at her for
Pushing and pushing and pushing on me to to remember and I just couldn't remember and
Just wanted to stop
But she didn't she didn't know
So somewhere in the fourth or fifth grade
That sense of helplessness that you had not get being able to get her to stop
Would very likely have to produce
Fossil of
Taking back some power and control over your mom
To get the bitch to shut up
Someone sounds like a serial killer. I don't know if it's Gary Ridgway. I think it may be you
I'm sorry
Mommy didn't give you gushers. What is he bitching about? Well, no
So basically what she goes on to say is she's like cuz he also had a sexual fascination with his mother
Oh, sure, and it's like one thing. Yeah, cuz you know how many because you're pretty angry at women. No, I'm not
Yeah, no, you're pretty angry
Scary mad
I mean you said something about chopping off clothes
Something about snapping the dolls you want to take the dolls and you want to make the dolls like forever dolls
Like you said something like that. No, I was like you want to make forever dolls and you're like never mind never mind never mind
Boy, look at his body language right now. The only thing that makes me upset is Bill de Blasio, but we're not talking about that
That's for a different podcast
No, he's he's his rage turned into this crazy sexuality and then that interview he said the same thing where he's just like my mother
used to sunbathe sometimes
Mm-hmm cotton dress and Stacy's mom
But he would sit and watch his mom sunbathe and just be like sometimes you're
Nipples would be visible through her dress and I
Be looking
Look in and she never saw me see and I just wanted to show me how to be like
Good at sex how to make good sex and it was like
If you read that on paper like that's extremely disgusting
But he is such adult that when you hear him say it you're like get on with it
No, he never says any in this interview to I'll put I'll post this up on the Facebook page this interviewer
She just leads him into every direction. She wants to lead him to it's a terrible
She wants to hear him say like I want to shut that bitch up by stabbing her right right, but he did it with his actions
Yeah, I need to say it. Yeah, I mean, you know, I will give you a bizarre sexual fetish when your mother looks at your penis and she's just like just like that
That's nothing sexier than that every time he went to bed
She would yank him out and immediately wash him and wash
He's covered in human urine. Yeah, but she seems like a good mother to me. I'm not gonna lie. She think you're fucked up
Yeah, what are you supposed to do with your kid who after he pisses himself? You just let him stay in his own filth. That would be worse
Now let me watch that boy watch your balls. Let me watch that penis. Are you scared? It's so dirty
It's dirty. How you pissing it? Oh
Oh
Yeah, now you does this when I piss imagine I shit myself. I might actually be able to get a full rim drop here dirty down there
Uh-huh. She also worked at JCPenney. Oh, yeah, she had a
JCPenney was very big during the 80s. It was almost on par with the Sears
Absolutely a shop. Go here's an interesting fact about his father
His father was a bus driver, but he was also a part-time mortuary worker
Okay, and he used to tell little Gary stories about his co-workers engaging in necrophilia
Yeah, yeah, but that's just funny. My dad used to tell me weird stories all the time about cops
about
Necrophilia
No, no, not about cops. No, I'm just fucking around, you know
I'm setting things on fire. Although some of your stories that your father does tell are very disturbing
One of my favorite stories of him like blasting polka out into the Bronx
So they would take speakers out to connect into a boombox and blast polka out into the very bad
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because the black people in the projects. They didn't like
Yeah, there was like the Irish ghetto
This is my kind of the Polish ghetto, I suppose
Yeah, like it was like your grandpa used to run. Oh don't bring it to my grandfather. We're talking about your father
I am one generation removed from my terrible past, but you my friend are direct descendant of hey
Good God Almighty every
And she's been a really just keep open to the door. I never open the door you open the door
I mean the door is always open
You can never close it. I mean back to Gary's mother being a good mom years of bad memories
Yeah, well by the time Gary got to be a teenager. He did the he started going cuckoo pretty early at 16
He took a kid out to the woods and stabbed him the kid was six years old
Oh, wow. Yeah, the kids survived and he said yeah, he has he's as he walked with that
Okay, you don't know what you're doing. Yeah as he walked away. He laughed and said I always wonder what it would be like to
Kill someone. Yeah, he killed the kid. But yeah, so how didn't he kill the kid? He stabbed him
Yeah, just one time. Yeah, he thought it was like a Shakespearean play
And now you die after a nice soliloquy or something like this
You can have a kid like a couple of times and I'll live as long as you don't get it in the head. Yeah
Yeah, or in the heart. Yes, or any vital organs that you would attempt
Yeah, but a liver when you're trying to kill somebody and apparently stabbed him in the liver
Yeah, you and the liver regenerates. Oh, totally. Yeah, the liver's fine. Yeah Gary
He also he claimed to have committed his first murder when he was a teenager
He said that he drowned a young boy by wrapping his legs around him while swimming and holding him underwater until he drowned
You see, he's just this guy who was he was born with a he was born with that fault
Like he never he never got out of it as soon as your sexuality again
We find as soon as sexuality is tied to it because he got a sexual thrill out of doing it
He didn't get a sexual thrill out of these boys. I mean, he's not gay, right? No
He got sexual thrill out of what he would feel or pedophile not even gay a whole nother category of
He was belittled his whole childhood. He felt super powerless. This was a way to take power back
It was the only way, you know, like that's what he said in school that he was largely
Um, forgettable. That's how that's what they called him. I can see that. Yeah. Um, I'm not like the Nat King Cole song
Unforgettable, but I mean, I'm sure people were just like, what's that 20 year old in the freshman class doing it?
Is he an undercover detective like Drew Barrymore or something like that?
So, yeah, you guys you know when you're drinking alone at night and you're like, oh, I gotta kill
I gotta kill, you know, you know, you know, you know when you pay your taxes. Oh, I got a fucking hate tag
And but Matlock is on, you know, now here's a period from his life. Gary's old
Shut up. You want to be my friend? Let's go to the putt. Let's go to the woods tricking Gary
So Gary graduates high school at 20 21. He joins the Navy goes to
accept him
Well, yeah, it's a problem. It's Vietnam. They were
Yeah, this is where we need these guys. That's a good point. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, and he definitely he saw combat
So we don't know but he never talks about his time in Vietnam. He knew he saw some shit
And that's how, you know, Vietnam was the worst war in American history and Gary Ridgway
Yes, I've been strangling a bunch of prostitutes and things like that. My mom used to make fun of me for pee pee
What was the Vietnam like?
You know, there's still people over there right now. POW is a war. The government doesn't care about him
He got gonorrhea for the first time in Vietnam first time
And they fucking amateur and of course they say that's when but the prostats be boy
He got soured on prostitutes real he got real mad
Well, this is also he'd been he'd immediately got married right after high school. He got married to somebody
Which is just like he can find love. Oh, well, I mean insult like city, Utah
I mean it's so like the city right at 20. I mean everyone's no, no, he was living in Seattle
Yeah, he was in Seattle now. They move to Seattle immediately. Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah
So yes, he did get married and that marriage ended because they both cheated on each other
Because you get having unprotected sex with prostitutes in Vietnam. Yeah, which is just like
Gambler, you know, I haven't really invested any money in anything so about willing to risk like that
Mm-hmm, you know and of course he got married again for a second time and his second wife
She claimed that she put that he once put her in a chokehold said that they had just got home from a party where they'd been
Drinking she stepped out of the van stumbled towards the door. She said she suddenly felt hands around her neck
Squeezing tighter and tighter. It was from behind. She screamed and fought
She didn't realize that it was her husband and he was putting on a beautiful necklace a beautiful
Well, I'm sorry, I
Don't know if you're gonna be able to be the marketing director here at Zales any longer because all of your commercials involve strangulation
All right, so here's here's my commercial
We do is you come on you got the diamond necklace right you strangle a bitch. No, no, we said no more strangulation
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just um, I just love giving jewelry to women
The hard way. Oh, right. Okay, Gary Ridgway did actually give jewelry for two women
He co-work that he worked with
Romantic, yeah, he would take Victor jewelry off the victims and give the jewelry to the same thing here
He told you if we're afford this I killed a bitch for it
He is the funniest guy here at the office
He was people loved him at work. I'm sure they did in fact
They in fact when he was being investigated from the crimes the first time in 1984 everyone jokingly called him Green River Gary
Everyone laughs so I still have to finish this story. Yeah, so he got he grabs a hold of her squeezes tighter and tighter
He lets go and he darts around the van and then comes back up and try to pretend that someone else had done it
Oh, you we people do that all the time. Yeah, it's just having fun
He's just having a good time and she also said that he used to he loved to sneak up and scare her
And I mean, I love scaring people. Yeah, but yeah, and she said that he could walk silently
I mean the main difference between you and Gary is you know, you never give your girlfriend jewelry
Let's just reboot
Give me the old reboot here. So the second marriage, but he's been murdering this entire time. No, he hasn't been yet
No, he didn't start murdering until the 80s. Yeah, he didn't start murder until the 80s
His second marriage is also when Huey Lewis produced but put out the album sports. Yeah that round the time of sports
This is when uh, he started getting super fucking religious. Okay, he became he became obsessed with religion
He started going door to door like with a proselytizing penicostal. Those are like speaking in tongues
Oh, I know all about real dickheads. I mean, this is also the same time
His sexual urges have been increasingly ramping up and he said it's like his wife said that he would try to get sex from her
Eight to ten times a day and because you can see immediately. It's here where it's like, I feel like that's what really spurs it
Like what we see all the time is like, what's the thing that finally pushes it over the edge is that the the religion gave him this sort of like
Remorseful feeling he definitely had a virgin Mary horror complex
Where it's like he looked at women as basically just as objects for his sexuality
And then as soon as they were done with that he not only hated himself
But them for doing it and he fucking wanted to kill them. I mean, I think it's this is a sign of intelligence though, right?
Because this is the same thing
He can read the Bible. He can read the Bible. No, but I'm telling you it's the opposite
It's a sign of a stupid person. No, but it's anybody who reads the Bible. It takes us seriously
He's a fucking it's not the sign of a person who's trying to uh make society believe they're not a serial killer
It's very it's like Gary Ridgway
BTK John Wayne Gacy all of these people touted around the Bible and everyone's like well
They're holy men of God and sometimes they clown on the weekends
But the difference between I think there's a difference between active intelligence and survival instinct
I think you can read things. It's again. My retarded cousin was a manager of a mcdonald's
He was in charge of schedule. I want to meet him by the way. I can't wait Henry's so-called retarded cousin cousin's gonna walk in here
And be like hello gentlemen. How are you? Hello? My name is winston allister
Good to me. Yeah, I do think that Gary was definitely spurred on by the Bible if I'm a this is for if I may read
From if everyone would please open their Bibles. You may not sir
Please open the sound effect for the opening the door is also the same for opening a Bible
It is also very similar to the time machine that you created
Hmm, please open your Bibles and read along with me from Ezekiel 16 35 through 40
Now then oh harlot hear the word of the lord thus says the lord god
Because your filthiness was poured out and your nakedness uncovered in your harlotry with your lover
I will gather them from all around against you and will uncover your nakedness to the
That they may see all your nakedness and I will judge you as women who break wedlock or shed blood are judged
I will bring blood upon you in fury and jealousy
And I shall stone you with stones and thrust you through with their swords. I'm erect
Yeah, I know I kind of like that one of my favorite bible scriptures. I've ever heard
Of course he's talking to me he's talking to prostitutes
Now is this true? It's a he this in reference. Did you just find this or did Barry bring this up?
I just found this
So do you think that because of his belief now in the bible that a prostitutes are like worse than you know humans
That he was able to kill them without feeling remorse. I think it was that he felt he was he had uncontrollable sexual desires
Which we also see in albert desalvo. He was he had the kind of the same thing
That's why he did what he did is that he had uncontrollable sexual desires
I think there was a point that he probably felt that he was being punished by god for it
But the problem is that his impulse control was was null and void
So he started having sex with prostitutes and basically he blamed them for letting them have sex with him
He started feeling like because that's what they were taking. He blamed the victim. He said that they brought it out
He started believe believing that they were bringing it out of him that he was punishing them
That that part of that that him killing them also absolved himself of his own sins
Yeah, it's all yeah, and again, you just have to be fucking two shades of an elm tree dumb
To fucking think that all this is real two shades of an elm tree dumb. Um, yeah, it's like when you watch of
an erotic
Pornography film, but then you click it off on you know, it was like when you watch it when you watch it up
I'm not in pornography when you watch your stag films with your buddies in basement in a vfw
But then you click the x and then it goes away
And then you're like well now it's it's gone forever and that never really happens
You see sometimes I'll end up just watching it you just watch it after you come you just you stay on the porn that you're watching
I'll watch a little bit for a bit. Yeah, I don't feel shame. No, it's not about feeling shame
But what's going on on facebook?
You know talking about you gotta go to you feel shame. I don't feel shame. This is on you. I feel a little I feel no shame
Marcus they mean I keep it a secret to keep it quiet. It keeps it safe
But I don't feel shame that's wrong and Gary Ridgway did not feel shame either
In fact, he told the cops later on he said I thought I was doing you guys a favor killing the prostitutes here
You guys can't control them, but I can yeah
And it's all about control. It's all about control and it's also about punishing its own righteousness
You believe that you have that you are the hand of God
You're dealing out God's punishment. I mean, but the fact that they didn't notice the 49 missing prostitutes in about what?
How many?
Six months this was there was a green river task force. So this is the problem and then again
I'm part of the hot dog squad no doubt. Yeah, exactly because they started concentrating on the green river and waiting for the green
More bodies to show up and they stopped showing up because he was just started dumping them all throughout the forest
And it was like he'd go and he'd take him to different states too. In fact one time
He took his son on a camping trip next day over. He only had one son, right?
Yeah, he just had one son. Yeah, and they always go. I tried to looking up information on him and I couldn't find
There's a ton of yeah, there's I found a ton of stuff on him apparently Gary was a good dad
Sure, he had a great relationship with his son
I mean he had a full active marriage at the like at the end of all these murders
He had a full life that he was technically normal
Yeah, his son said that he had no idea whatsoever that there was anything even wrong with his dad
I mean his mom had did tell him
When he was in like fourth grade he was like, you know, your father might be the green river killer
You know and there was also time because he said that he was picking up extra hours at the plan
He worked at a chemical plant and he was saying that he didn't work at a chemical plan. He worked as a painter
He painted car trunks. There was another but there was something else. He was fantastic at it, too
He was really good at painting trucks
So very under the radar and I do think that it sort of validates his claim that he's helping out the cops
That's the fact that they never busted the guy. I mean it sort of plays into his theory
No, he must have been happy. Him killer prostitutes wasn't helping the cops. No, but in his mind he thought that it was
Yeah, and then never I mean I just feel like this guy is a pretty it's pretty simple to bust 49 murders
I mean in two years. I mean he was moving them all over. He's got to get into some more specifics
Like I was saying earlier that uh that trip that he took with his son
Uh the whole time there were two prostitutes in the trunk that he was taking he had taken
Uh with him on this camping trip so he can dump them out of state dump the bodies out of state
And he took his son with him on a couple of different outings
There was another my dad would never take me on outings with his friends, you know
I mean and also he's a technically better father than my father
I mean that you can't put a price on father son bonding time, you know, I mean you get 49 hookers
49 hookers. Yeah, that's that's the price
I don't know
yeah, Rajoy said that yeah one time he
Went and picked up a prostitute with his son in the car the kid was about seven
And he's like, yeah, I'm just you know picking up a friend where you know, we got to go out and do this thing
They went out to the woods
Gary left the kid in the car, uh and Gary used this his son to disarm
Oh, yeah, he would use pictures of him or just the kid himself to disarm the prostitute to like, oh, you know
He's sweet. He's a father right and then he'd take him out and kill him sometimes with his son still in the car
which is similar to Dennis Rader where he would walk in and he would kind of said it is if like
I don't it's like fucked up
But basically he's like I'm just want sex from you like I just want to have sex with you
This is all I want to do and then like like to calm them so that they didn't panic before he killed them
I think it's much creepier that he had his son with him the whole time. Absolutely much creeper
He's ironic that they were like, oh, but yeah, but you're a father and it's like no you're picking up a prostitute with your seven-year-old son
Yeah, yeah, he's in the car like he's in he's here. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not showing you pictures out of my wallet
You know, he would do that too though like when his son wasn't with him
He would show them pictures be like this is my son. He's my light of my life, you know
And because like feel they're used to dealing with fathers because fathers, you know, they sometimes you know
Everyone's I guess got something secret on the side. Yeah, I'm sure yeah, you know
And it's not that bad. I mean it's like when politicians when the godgift to being a female politician is having a down syndrome kid
So then you can just like pour it all over town the woman who gave the state of the union address for the republicans after
Obama all she did was talk about her downy kid and it's like stop pouring out
That's worse than what Gary Ridgway did to his son. Yeah, we found six mentions of her downy kid in one speech
Yeah, all you have to do is yeah, you take him put a bunch of olympic gold medals on him give an American flag hat
And that is a picture up
I mean like it's perfect. You're gonna have a lot of pictures that are not gonna make it because he's not like smiling like
Just right
Most of the time if the pictures are cut they can be kind of preaching for the camera. Yeah
You shouldn't have used the hamburger camera to be fair look at the hamburger
Me take hamburger. No. No. No dolphin. Why did you name him dolphin?
He wanted to name himself
And we let him because we're nice progressive parents here. I'm dolphin
All right, then whatever you say son will never discuss unless it's for political reasons
So speaking of mental disorders, I believe that gary ridgway
I believe the mental disorder that he suffered from the most was obsessive compulsive disorder
Okay, he did he was a very strange. He was very strange very fastidious and really obsessive very obsessive about things
He was obsessed with garage sales and junk sales
He was obsessed with gardening and even his job, you know, that's that's going back to btk again
He loved lawns. Yeah, he loved good lawns. He kept things really, you know, like very tidy
He was a horrible maniac. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, they gary used to be one of he used to go to the dump and just pick through shit at the dump trying to find
Little gyms here and there to remodel his house because apparently his house was very nice full of antique furniture
I say it's nice in his actual
profession which he worked at he worked at did this for 32 years
He painted trucks on an assembly line
But he did the detail work on it, which was very meticulous and very difficult to do like, you know back in the 80s
They would have the stripes on the cars and all that. Yeah, he was the guy that would
Put all the masking tape out for it and do all the fine detail work on it
One of his co-workers said he was quoted it gets pretty
Repetitious pretty over and over and over if you went in at 6 a.m.
And you were thinking about something then by the time you leave at 3 p.m
That thing has gone through your head 600 times
And so there's people driving around and just like commenting on the great paint job of their truck. Oh, yeah, yeah
Whoever do that. That's a good guy. That's a good guy. It's a good man. Yeah solid hard work and dude
I'm so glad we replaced these people with robots
You know what I mean? We can't build more serial killers. Yeah. Well, no robots aren't going to kill anybody
Good idea, Henry. We're fine. Of course these you know, this plays into his obsession with prostitutes and his compulsion to kill
Now he's had to kill. No, his active years were 83 and 84, right?
So it's like this was all and then sometimes in the early 90s 82 to 84
So what is this? What's more specifically what happened in this time period?
Well, what happened in this time period is that his what he would do is he would go and he would pick up the prostitutes
Of course show them pictures of the kids to disarm them then he would take them out
Somewhere secluded and he had he of course had a progression of how he killed
At the beginning he killed the prostitutes with his bare hands
But then he was saying that he would get all these defensive wounds
Yeah, he would get defensive wounds as they fought back that's when he moved to ligatures
As soon as you just use them ropes to choke them to death and he would dump these
prostitutes in different areas which he himself called clusters
Okay, and he would return to the site sites of these clusters and have sex with the prostitutes
Sometimes he would even do it with his son still in this car
He would take out girlfriends to the site the sites of the clusters just nearby
And have sex with him and he said that he would drive by these clusters all the time
And he said he would wake up at night with nightmares that he had forgotten where he dumped his bodies
Because then if he loved his body if he lost the body he lost his control because that's what he wanted
He wanted him forever. He could always go and and have them whenever he wanted
Did he ever go to the uh, Bundy route of necrophilia? Did he go back and touch on the bodies? Absolutely. Absolutely
As a matter of fact. Yeah, in fact, yes, he did. He went back and had sex with the prostitutes multiple times
After they were dead, but after a while he began burying the body so he wouldn't have that temptation
He literally had to block himself. Yeah, literally had to bury them
So he wouldn't you would stop digging him back up and then during the investigation
So a part of there's a movie called the river man that brings us up and they talk about this is that during the investigation
They literally went to Ted Bundy and so we're like, well, what do you think?
They were like trying to figure out like how to stop the green river killer and he was like if you find a grave a fresh grave
He's like stake out the grave because this guy's going back and he's fucking with the bodies and he was dead on the money
Yeah, except it didn't work. Yeah. No. No, there's cops for me. The cops just suck at it
Yeah, there are then you could ask gary. Wydra. Uh, gary the question of like what uh, what time in decomposition is the best to have sex
With the corpse and he could give you an answer. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Oh, I go in eight days
About eight days after your murder. Um, that's one of the pluses just right. Yeah, absolutely
It has to be it has to be before they start to putrefy
Right. Yeah, because then they're not a lady anymore. Now. They're just a bunch now. It's just uh, what's it called?
It's a compost heap. Yeah, yeah, you know
Playing some flowers in there. You get some nice tomatoes
Yeah
Get some good tomatoes out of the brass toast
No one else noticed that the gary ridgeway tomatoes like they they taste like human hair. Hmm. I kind of like it
Yeah
At the crime scenes though gary ridgeway, he did think these things through he used to uh,
deposit cigarettes and chewing gum at the grave side
He would take a amount of ashtrays and stuff like that and other people ate it and leave it so that they would run DNA tests on it and find somebody else
Well, this is before they were really running DNA tests. Yeah, like he was he was only putting them out so they could say like, all right, we're looking for a guy who smokes
Smokes cigarettes and he would also draft
It was the early 80s. He didn't smoke or chew gum. We're looking for uh, roughly 300 million people right now
So we're whittling whittling it down. You know how many suspects they had in the green river case 500
Yeah, that makes sense. He was busted in 1981 and like three. Yeah, he was he was busted for in conjunction two missing prostitutes
And how did he get off? There was like a thing where it was like took a polygraph test. He took he passed a polygraph test
Very easy to do by the way. Yeah, which they said they went back and they read they redid they looked at the results and they're like
Oh, according to 2001 like testing parameters. He would have failed
It's interesting though. The polygraph can be very easily passed if you're a true sociopath
Oh, yeah, if you don't react if I give you like, did you kill 80 fucking chicks?
You're all right
I mean, you could be holding a woman's head in his hand and be like, do you have a woman's head in your head? No
Well, I guess my eyes deceive me. Yeah
So it's after he finally he gets caught in connection with these prostitutes. They let him go
However, they do take a DNA sample from him. Yes, and this ends up being his like undoing and yeah
They take a DNA sample from him
But it's also around this time that he meets Judith Mawson
Who is his third wife and you know, he stopped killing right after that
Uh, because you know what? It's a power up. Oh, no. I love this. Keep this song going
Yeah, that's gotta be something seeing her though. I wonder what did she look like?
She must have been gorgeous. No, she was a pretty average looking woman. All right. Yeah, she was a pretty yeah
Oh, that's right. It's still Gary Ridgway's third wife. I forgot. Yeah, exactly. No, and she said she said, um that he
Kept her or she kept him from killing
Um, I know they're just loving him sucking that dick gotta suck suck suck suck suck that dick
If you want to be with a man or like let's say you like this guy
He seems kind of cagey could be a murderer. You know what play with his balls like three times a day
You're gonna solve a killing. You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna stop murder. That's what she said
This is a direct quote. She says I feel I have saved lives by being his wife and making him happy
That's what you do. You play with his you play with his nipples, right?
What's it? You know you run your hands through his hair. What's her name? Her name is judith moss judith
Yeah, so like if maybe judith if she just stays in the tub for like four hours, and then she comes down
And she's all pruney and wrinkly and then she plays dead
He's like, well, this is close enough. Thank you. Yeah, maybe she she was just giving it to him
Yeah, and she had no idea anything was going on
She didn't even know the green river killings were a thing because she said she didn't watch the news
That's a great thing
I'm sorry you need to be informed
Well, yeah, you need to watch the news people. No, no, no, no, no, you know, I like
No, you don't ruin that ignorance. You don't want to ruin a marriage
I never want to find out someone's murder in somebody because loads are not murdering you because those things they're having fun
They're probably doing doubles karaoke. You know, they're going on canoes together. Sure. He doesn't have to murder
I mean, he's still murdered three times. He still did murder three. Yeah
But you have to do every once. Well, I mean, you know, I quit smoking cigarettes and then you pick back up
I agree. Yeah 87 80 or
Or what was it 87 88 and 98?
Yeah, I mean 98 you got mambo number five came out and you got to get back into the seat
That luke vegas song will drive anybody insane. I totally agree. Yeah, you're walking around. You just keep seeing monikas everywhere
You're ready to just stab stab stab stab stab. I agree
And he was happy during this time and all of his neighbors described him as an extreme extrovert
He was always talking some people even described him as too friendly one person said when I was out in the yard
I couldn't get anything done because he wanted to talk all the time
Well, Gary had a lot to say
This is sometimes it's a transformative power of life. Yeah
It's the sweetest story we've heard so far. Honestly, like that's the one time you ever see it's like true love saved him
You know, I mean it didn't save 49 prostitutes lives possibly 71
Maybe, you know, but that's just what it's, you know, it's keep searching fill out that e-harmony profile
If you think you can't find somebody Gary Ridgway did and so can you yeah, I agree
Yeah, this is a
Yeah, the sweetest we've ever been on the show
And we're still discussing a man who killed
Just under a hundred women. You see Ram is at least he didn't like I don't know why I feel that there's something different to him
At least, you know, he didn't try to wear their skin. He wasn't playing with their eyeballs and stuff
You know, he was a dickhead like btk. Yeah, btk is the worst. We can't even go on with anything
I had a bigger negative effect on the overall psyche of humankind Gary Ridgway or Dennis Raider
Oh, Dennis Raider because of his terrible poems. He heard comedy and he heard poetry
No, Gary Ridgway was at least he was nice. He did a good job painting cars. He was giving back a little bit
A little bit, you know, good father for uh, all the way down. I feel bad for the prostitutes. Definitely
I feel bad for them. I feel very bad. When he was killing the prostitutes were were they clean kills because he seems like a very organized
It was very quick. Yeah, so it wasn't about torture
It was about just getting getting it done and it was just you know, and it's it's that it's that fucking dumb religion
That does it to people. You mean religion will take dumb crazy people and make them violent crazy people
Yeah, well, I think his older brother is really to blame for putting his hand in cold water all those nights
That's the problem when he was growing up. It's this old Greg a Greg Ridgway's fault
Why do I do that?
Okay, but the other one keeps putting his shaving cream in his hand and take all his face with a feather
Yeah, he just writes in his journal how to make your brother a serial killer. How did he end up getting caught?
He ended up getting caught by soliciting prostitution in
November 16th
2001 yeah, he went back to it. He had 30 bucks and a pair of latex gloves
and he
You can get a prostitute for 30 bucks and Seattle you can in 2001 the inflation of the last 13 years
It's been vast. So it's like 45 bucks right now. It's Nordstrom. It's like the Nordstrom rack of prostitution. You think so?
Yeah, yeah, okay. That makes sense. Yeah, so they uh, he got arrested uh for soliciting
A lot of these prostitutes were super young like he went after the very inexperienced prostitutes
Yeah, well one of them that he said one of them that he killed it was 16
This is creepy as shit is that he first started choking them face to face and looking them in their eyes
But he after he killed the 16 year old girl. He said that he couldn't get uh her the image of her face out of his head
So that's when he started doing it from behind so he wouldn't have to look look him in the eyes anymore
Yeah, so he gets so it wasn't the thrill
It was just he just felt fucking rage about the fact that they would even have sex with him and then he'd murder them
All right, so what happened? So he just got picked up for soliciting prostitutes
He got picked up for soliciting prostitutes and they uh, I mean, I guess at this time they were just running DNA samples
Everybody obviously running DNA samples a much improved science at this point
And so they ran DNA samples on him and they were hits to uh, three different um
Murders way back in the day, uh, and then they looked into three more murders
And they found that there was a kind of paint on these women that was used in a very specific time period
Only in the plant where gary works now. This girl now. She has she got a racing stripe on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
She's got flames on the side of her head. I mean it looks awesome. Oh, it's a great
That is one of the best courses I have ever seen man. That was badass. I love seeing him flames on the side
It's like she's moving real fast, but she's a dead girl. Yeah. Yeah. She's not gonna fire. She's not gonna be hot
She's actually real cold. Yeah, it's cold. Cool. It's freezing cold. Stiff. Stiff is bored
I gotta say though, them flames look like they were moving. I never seen such shadow in work
So gary's going down for six murders. He knows he's going down and organ has the death penalty
So he knows he's getting a needle up his arm. That's when he goes to a plea bargain
Yeah, and he says I'll show you where the bodies are if you don't kill me
Yeah, if you don't kill me, I'll show you where there are 49 more bodies and he's still sitting on uh, he's still sitting in jail
Yeah, he's alive. He uh, he's serving 48 consecutive life sentences. So, yeah, so he got nailed for 49
Um, there's one that was unidentified. That's why I got tucked off the thing because they couldn't officially
Identify her because it was just a skeleton. Yeah, right. Um, and so he uh, because all these murders now
Or all the murders are at least 18 years old. They've been buried for 18 years. This is your 2001
Yeah, it's looks like he just kind of stupid his way to success. I mean, it's just kind of what I'm gunning for
Yeah, yeah, you'll run a mcdonald's one of these days your way up the up the ladder
You know, you know, it's weird is that he didn't admit that he had sex with any of these prostitutes until after the trial
Yeah, because he was so established that was what he was ashamed. He was ashamed of the sex not the killing
Not the killing. Yeah, he was fine with the killing. No, because that's what he said
He validated it. I mean, I read a bible verse earlier that said it is okay to kill prostitutes
But then of course there are dozens of bible verses said that say that it's horrible to have sex
So in his fucked up bible addled mind, he didn't do anything wrong. No, the sex was the bad part
He was clearer in the slate every time he had sex with a prostitute. Yeah, I mean really not the most compelling
Of the stories, but the numbers are so damn high. I mean, I mean, it's the mystery that was involved
And I guess that was that maybe that but that's how he was able to get those numbers so high, right?
He was just like so under the radar and there was on the radar. He was somehow under the radar
And even after I mean not even talking about the murder when the murders themselves were happening
But even after he got caught
The green river killer story wasn't even that big of a deal
It didn't even go out put like among people who know this shit like I was like, of course we knew about it
But as far as like national news stories go it wasn't a dumber
It wasn't a gasey because gary ridgeway was boring as fuck and his victims were prostitutes
But this is the problem again. It's just like it was under investigated
He and he they just let him go for so long and it like this
It's it's more of an evidence like showing the problem with criminal investigations country
And it's always he's every time we see these the reason why the string of crimes coming together because of competing districts
Competing different offices and police offices like the fbi and again the political police not communicating
It's always a malpractice and that's why they get out they get off so long the ignorance of people around if you're a bar
bartender and gerry ridgeway was in your bar and then he leaves and he put all the cigarette butts from the
Astrays and took all the guns then you're like that's weird that he took all those
So it's okay. He's got a collection. He's like, ah cool. Gary's cool. Yeah
I love Gary pays those Paris paints those flames and those truck spec day goes good guy
It's very very good guy. All right. So now we've covered the quote-unquote official
Story. Oh, okay. Let's get away. But there is always as we know as we've discovered
You know, we've covered this other episode the government
Lows certain things that happen behind the shades. So it wasn't the power of love. No, no it was not
Seattle green river mass murderer gerry ridgeway worked for the satanist elitist who control the entire northwest infrastructure
This is the seed truth see the average man on the street would have never been afforded this state-fronted financial legal support
So how did gerry ridgeway deserve such silver spoon treatment from the state of washington?
Unless the legal expenses were necessary to pay for the cover-up and the protection of ridgeway's elitist cia mafia handlers
And it's connected the way to say elitist cia mafia
Handlers cia mafia handlers and his connections to the northwest elites, and they're all controlling satanic infrastructure
Because you know how Seattle, Washington is full of the elite. Oh, yeah, that's absolutely curco bane wasn't the Illuminati Microsoft
Oh, yeah, Jesus Christ people. It's like you're not even paying attention. I don't know much about computers
I'm more of a writing things down man
Here this is something that I didn't know the elites have already had their judges and legislatures make the term satanist
Luciferian and necromancer
Not admissible to be usable as terms to be used in any and all u.s. Courts of law and case at some time that the non-elitist
Non-satanist non-luciferians and non-necromancers would have finally get their act together and come up to the vast membership of this all powerful and super
Wealthy network that includes most of the legislative judicial enforcement bar association and corporate elites of the united states
Including all previous us presidents after the elites at John F. Kennedy Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther king to name only a few of the
Many hundreds of thousands and millions of people that they have had murdered and accepting jimmy carter
But this list includes fully the entire bush family and all of their reigning elitist networks, you know
There are a lot of people that like kind of leave their hotheads their hotheads
They don't even think about you know, they just start writing a blog they start getting it right on the blog
You know, this is what I'm going to say to everybody out there
All right, you know before you sit down and you want to write that treatise like against the CIA mafia handlers and how they're connected
The green river killer, you know take a smoke break, you know, take a chill pill take a chill pill
Take a chill pill, you know, also otherwise known as xanax
Right anything that is a
You know, I mean you don't need to go straight to paper with it, right?
You didn't go straight to printing with it
Sure, you know, maybe write a rough draft sit on but if you don't put that out on the internet
How is becky gonna know that you're a genius?
Um, that's the major question. So you just have to have a really good lawyer
To use being a necromancer as an alibi
Like that's the thing you have to have like a really good. We're talking like a Robert Shapiro
type lawyer
To really use that the necromancer defense. Yeah, father Kardashian
He couldn't possibly kill them because he was too busy making like a plasma fire with his brain magic
Oh, was he a necromancer? Yes. Well, we can't charge him actually more of a pyromancer
He's the funniest lawyer we've ever seen here in Seattle
See, I disagree right from the heart. Whatever comes out. Just put it out there
What's the name of this website? Oh this website?
Let me check. I just want to hear the title of the website. Oh, it's gonna be very intense. Let me let me get to it
Real yeah, we gotta know these guys always have very clever names for their sites
Yeah, I mean it's from the website is called apfn.com not this one, but well the uh
Uh, the name of the article is Gary Ridgway a decoy to save satanic establishment part two
And just so you know the first like a vanilla fudge album
Yeah, and just so you know the first article was filtered on the way to posting
Oh
The first one although you do kind of need to know everything
Because it feels like he's like taken up in the middle of a topic like he got started
Yeah, he jumps in the house. I mean first he was talking about like the rooty-tooty fresh and fruity
Breakfast special and I hop and how that is, you know a part of the satanic elite fucking agenda as well
Yeah, and you know there's a lot of stuff going on in seattle
And did you know the entire seattle boing microsoft corporate north west is a jewish zionist bilderberg
Of course rockefeller carwell carlile group bohemian grove masonic secret society. Do you say any of them are Carl weathers?
Did you say carl weathers? Is he dissing weathers black pope jesuit cia nsa satanic luciferia necromantic
mafia
And there's a huge cover-up that has been incurred at the expense of and the abidance of the extremely trusting and naivete non satanic
Northwest citizenry and they're having been extremely misled and not informed by the satanic elitist owned establishment media
If there was a cia luciferia necromantic
Uh, it's satanic cia mafia. I'd be signing up for an internship. Oh sure. I mean the final sentence is uh, and those are all the words
I know
He lets it all out there
There's no doubt about that. I love that guy good for him. I'm glad that he's at your office right now typing that
Oh, yeah, he's doing the tps reports. We're gonna chase bank or something like that. You know, it's just in charge of your money
Whatever and what's his name? We don't know man. I will never know it's anonymous. Yeah, it's a night
It's probably I love the courage. It takes to yeah, exactly the courage. It takes to post-anonymous, you know
Well, gary. We're just going to do a one-parter on gary. Yeah, that's really it
That's pretty much all that there is besides the whole cia mafia luciferian
elite
Jew
Zionist microsoft connection, which is a whole other i don't know where the connection is
But that's because you don't have your third eye open. Yeah, maybe it's because you're a fucking puppet of our the shadow government
What happened? You're just like jk rowling in the satanic Potter movies. Yeah cut the strings, man
All right. Yeah, don't be a fucking Pinocchio
Yeah, because the satanic elites have a vast network that annually kidnaps and ritualistic least sacrifices murders for more than
400,000 american children shake off the puppet masters and women and their political enemies
annually don't serve their agenda, right your ignorance your non-action serve the
Zionist microsoft
Charleston chew
Shadow elite no Charleston do that. It's a candy. That's just a nice tasty trick
Yeah, when you're a part of the brain dead fantasy sitcom and sports channel world
That's when they break out of it. That's why I say that's why I I jumped out of the paradigm
What I have been doing like I left the grid a long time ago and that's why I have apple tv
Oh, wow, I choose what I want. I won't let them tell me we mean what to watch but I do like the suggestions for you
Because it seems that their algorithm has gotten pretty tight as to what I enjoy. Yeah
Well, you know what that is that's just subtle luciferian and witchcraft oriented microsoft zionist these are just again
Walt Disney time-warner. I forgot those. Yeah, these are just paying
You know don't bring burger king. You don't even talk about what salamis made out of
Because you want to see you want to look at your dogs missing on the street
Cats missing on the street. You got eye hops involved. What was that? Um, uh, you know a whole bunch of people
Before you pass out we better
Skip it sir. Just skip it. Just keep you jumping in one one spot, right?
Just jump in one spot so you don't go out and you don't vote
You're so worried about your skip it number that you're not out there making a change
Well, it's important for kids to exercise zionist microsoft charlson chew established again charlson begging strips power
Those are all dog foods. Those are treats. Um, all right, every one dogs. He better than half of the world
Fancy feasts is made out of
out of africans. Pale yourselves magustylation
I'll gain good lord. Don't fucking eat charlson chew anymore. It's controlling your brain
It's not controlling your brain, but I did this microsoft marcus barks on twitter bank isle on twitter
Henry loves you on twitter, but I did put I did put the uh the tape over my computer
The the screen so do that in in reality. Oh and your tape. Uh, that's disgusting. I did
Yeah
Good. Yeah. Do you have that? Uh, yeah, I'm proud of you. Yeah