Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 123: Dahmer Part II: How To Be Left Alone In The Ghetto

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

The Dahmer series continues as we cover the bulk of his kills from the blackout beginnings to his eventual dabbling in the chemical arts.

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Nice dammer part to your I hope you're hungry Oh, I gotta find a sauce. Welcome to the show everyone. That's Marcus Parks. I'm Ben Kissel My name is a Greek Romanto and I teach you how to cook an Asian boy And nine onions you cut off the decoration boy you put in a pot

You get the onions and see more and see more and then a guess what you sit down and you eat the penis is No, it's just it's mostly just Asian boy penis with onions onions and peanuts. Hey, that's it Oh, you need no green peppers or bell peppers in there. No, nothing like that Salt and pepper Just onions you get this you get a sweet salty from the semen all crossed it onto their pubic air Sure, so you put the pubic air in there. Oh, you have to have the pubic airs Oh, okay, and the balls or the balls in a different stew balls all the best to bar They fall apart into strings

Oh man Joe banjo the man Joe banjo. I just being Greco Romanti. He had a human chef Yes, I see That's head was a Browsky, of course. It's part two of Dahmer I hope you guys are all sitting down with a big plate of spaghetti Next episode. Oh, so you remember so the first episode we got really sad about Jeffrey Dahmer Rough childhood his dad wasn't there and his mom didn't love him enough. Yeah, and then this part reminds you that he's a fucking monster Monster, so then you're just like I understand why his father left and I get why his mother thought he was a crazy person Handle this kid. He's got an attitude problem

That's right, you know, he's at a hard time making friends He had if so if you have a hard time making friends, you got to go make friends I will say his parents did not help him out. They created the creepy Dahmer house on the top of the hill He didn't create technically he created that by what he did. Well the Dahmer house helped him with the visual I know a lot of creepy guy. I know a lot. I have a lot of friends who live and set back beautiful houses It's great because it's isolated. It's not a sad graveyard because it's isolated, right? It can be a nice thing to get away from the neighborhood. Yes, that's true. That's true Well, the Dahmer house had some vultures flying above it and there's always a storm cloud there and lightning was about to strike

At any moment, so we just left Dahmer just moving into his grandma's house, right? Well, we left Dahmer He had just moved his grandma's house. He had just gotten his job at the Ambrosia chocolate Nothing like a fine Willy Wonka chocolate. They have since torn down their old facts Built a new one. It's bad for business when you have a bone eater in your in your business Oh, but they still keep the name Ambrosia Well, you got to remember that's the thing branding is so hard. We've got a name that already sticks. You got to keep it Well, it's been around since 1895. Yeah, just one dude eating 16 Asian boys. Isn't gonna get the chocolate Show's got to keep going. There's some chubby dude looking similar to the villain from true detective working at the Hershey, Pennsylvania

Factory, there's no doubt. They got blood on their hands. Yeah, absolutely You don't have any will you don't have any oompa loompas fell into that chocolate Man, we laughed and we laughed. Oh, look at the little Loompas fish out of there stuck in the drainage pipes and nobody ever talked about it because Willy Wonka was made out of magic And he was offering a golden ticket to come and tour the death factory. He called the chocolate factory So Jeffrey Dahmer much making bank by the way to Ambrosia 19 bucks an hour Now, yeah, $19 an hour in 2014 money. Yeah, absolutely incredible But Jeffrey Dahmer just like John Wayne Gacy again and again slipped through the cracks again

And again was arrested for certain sexual crimes on September 8th 1986 he was arrested for lewd and lascivious behavior for masturbating in front of a couple of 12-year-old boys on the banks of the Knick-a-nick River because this is now when did he kill his first victim again? That killed his first victim at 18. This was a hitchhiker. Yes, the first victim though that he killed I believe this was it was something like nine years before right? Yeah, this was at my he had been going through a huge cool in his mid 20s here So what I was what listening and born to kill they said the thing that they he says set him back off like when he was staying with his Grandma so basically he when he was staying with his grandma

He was trying to get back into religion really heavily walking around to the house in those big white panties But apparently he was at a library reading because he took up his time reading and a man walked past him and threw up a Crumpled pieces of paper at him and he opened it up and it said if you want to blow job meet me in the bathroom And he said he didn't go and meet the guy, but he was like it was the first thing that made his brain kick back into being The Jeff we know and that's right. Oh man. That's got to be fun though at the same time Oh, yeah, I would I wish somebody most preferably a woman It sounds like a penthouse letter it does when you're Jeffery Dahmer everything gets sour Isn't it interesting to know what the world was like before grinder?

Random people studying at the library. Yes, so then he then he was around then he started jerking off in public Yeah, he started jerking off in public He jerked off in front of these two 12-year-old boys. They just laughed at him, which is so sad Oh, so sad. Oh, I mean at the very least you want them to look scared. Yeah Well, one of them asked him was like you having a good time and he goes, yeah, I'm having a great time Yeah, of course he's he's fully hard, right? Yeah, if he was having a hard time you'd just be like, you know He'd be soft-going like I can't I can't know you guys ready to go Yeah, but now this is this was what was so interesting with that

He doesn't like alive people and he doesn't really enjoy young boys. This is about TV and see yeah, okay Yeah, and being drunk all the time. So he's loaded off a shreds. Oh, yeah every moment of his life So he can think he confessed to police when he was arrested that he had masturbated five times in public in the preceding months And this is just can't let all the beans spill. I'll say this anybody if you're talking to the police if you got secrets Just take a breath. Mm-hmm before you start spouting off your secrets This was part of Dahmer's games that this is because this is not gonna be his last arrest It was part of his game. He was very charismatic when he was arrested by the police. He was always very apologetic Very sorry the report said that he doesn't know what changed him to make him suddenly start doing this

But that he knows he has a problem and he wants to get help and that was this thing over and over I want to get help. I don't know why I do these things. He was sentenced to a year's Probation and some therapy. Yeah, but like 10 therapy sessions with probably some like Student psychologists and they're like, so what do you dream about? He's like, well, sometimes I go and I dream about this Oh, a boy is just nothing but muscles and he comes to me and he says he wants to be my ultimate wife And then I come all over him and they're just like time's up. Thank you so much for coming in I think I'm gonna really ace this paper. I think I got a real sociopath here So this is at the time is that as Henry said he got the note in the he got the note in the library

And he also briefly after this like God didn't work. So he figured he tried Satan. He got into a cult practice Hell, yeah, right for just a little bit when Satan didn't work. He figured. All right It's time to just dive headfirst into the Milwaukee gay and it makes me so sad that Satan didn't work for him Because he's worked for so many people. He's made the rest of us so cool Well, that's very very debatable God and Satan couldn't beat Dahmer though. They really good. That's why he's number one in my book He's can't get him down. Can't get him down. He's king of kings Lord of lords Jeffrey Dahmer So Dahmer he started going to a gay bars all around Milwaukee. He was known as that guy

Yeah, owner the guy that just would sit at the bar and would just get wasted like the cool owner like Antonio Banderos and Desperado loner you so I think he saw himself as that and Everyone else is like this is a man who doesn't wash his clothes who keeps going up to people and tell him how much he Likes how their hips look and he wishes that he could have them as a trophy. Oh Sounds like it's flirting at first, right? That's what they're thinking, but he just keeps on twirling in his hair There was a great bartender the bartender did an interview on again My favorite serial killer series born to kill with it on Jeffrey Dahmer and he was just like he's like yep

Jeffrey used to come in every day and he'd get the same beer and then he'd sit in a corner like he was waiting for somebody But then I guess he found him every once in a while. That's it Well, where Jeffrey first started getting his drug him and fuck him on was at this place called club baths in Milwaukee Which was closed by health authorities in 1988 Club bath in Milwaukee was filthy. I can't believe it Well, we got the cheese sauna. We also have the spaghetti and meatball pit And we're doing a bit of a brat boil in the in the the Egyptian theme room. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that's all the steam from the brats, you know, well, if you don't know how a gay bathhouse works

Essentially the men go in wearing towels and they just kind of walk around they point to each other and they say like hey How'd you like to go to a private room? They go back to the private room? It's so easy fuck. It's very easy and crazy. I mean he said here said he described it as a it's a it's a relaxing place Relaxing doesn't sound relaxing. It truly sounds like hell on earth And it's just so funny if you hear about like a San Francisco gay bath club, you're thinking svelte bodies, you know, beautiful nipples Secret gay Underground this is da bears guys from SNL All in a dark cave

Trying to pretend like they're not gay and don't want to fuck each other So Jeffrey after he started fucking guys on the regular in this bathhouse He started he hated the fact that his partners would move during sex. It's always a problem. He hated it Yes, and so I mean he should have just gotten with a beautiful cheerleader. They don't move an altar in sex model exactly So he said that he's trained himself to view people as objects of pleasure Instead of actual human being and the guy who was the head of investigate the head investigator What's his name again? Patrick Kennedy Patrick Kennedy who was great had the amazing interview on the Jeffrey Dahmer files

I've never seen it. He was saying he was like, you know for the life of me I don't understand why he had to kill these people if it come from what I heard and it's not like is it this guy was getting laid Back and forth. He's getting laid all the time. This is true It apparently he was having a lot of sex. Yeah, he wasn't getting his it's cracked Well, you won't get too much into Patrick Kennedy, but you tube him in just a wick wick of PDM His life story alone is almost worth an episode Yeah, because he became a second-hand celebrity from Dahmer and left his wife and started banging a bunch of chicks at University with Scott's in Milwaukee and then he had every policeman's dream

He did happen to him that you bust the big killer and then you become like a raging alcoholic He celebrated his birthday. He said with the telephone was out in his house He only had one channel on the TV in a bottle of whiskey and he's just celebrating like it's 50 But it's different Henry Yeah, but he was also saying like well, you know, I was in my apartment and you know, I had a bottle of whiskey and no Channels on the TV So in 1986 around June This is when he came upon the first step of what would lead to cannibalism essentially

This is okay. He started giving his partner sleeping pills because you see a lot of times I think this is this happens up with serial killers, too They give themselves little permission. Yeah, where they're like, I'm gonna ease my way into my fantasy I'm making my fantasy real cuz he already did technically because he had that because like he had the hitchhiker to show up And so he did that and it happened to him now. He's starting to realize like I can give I can make him go to sleep a little bit I can do this. Yeah, I can just beat him a little bit. I mean it is similar to any addiction cycle with alcohol I could have a shot. It's my birthday. I'm okay with that and the next thing, you know You're fucking, you know neat, you know slamming down bottles of Jim beaming you're in Mexico hanging out with Kenny Powers

You know, it just gets wilder and wilder. So it took Dahmer it took him doing this 12 times to get his membership revoked from the bath house So he was doing this in public. He was doing this in the bath house He was taking his drugs to the bath house and he would say like hey You want to drink and he'd put the sleeping pills in the bath house There was one instance where a kid almost died because he gave him too much No, it does seem like it's not that it's that it's okay, but it does seem like this is a common thing

It is a common thing. This is a date-ripe drug and at this time that there were never any criminal charges pressed because it's 1986 in Milwaukee. No one is gonna say they're gay. No, this is the bizarre Homophobia effect like yeah talk about like black prostitutes and things like that how the cops just kind of left him alone It's a lesser than you know, they just don't want to deal with it at all. No one wanted to acknowledge that gay people existed Absolutely, not that's what the game same thing with the gay Gacy thing happened for the same reason because of you had to keep these secrets and then again in the Satanism and the government thing It's it creates a network of secrets. Everyone has to keep your secret Yeah, so Dahmer after he has his bath house membership revoked

That's when he starts taking people back to either hotel rooms or to his basement in the gram in his grandma's house Ah, can you imagine going to some guy's grandma's house's basement to have sex with him an adult a mid 20 year old man I want to know how we got his License revoked and just feel like it was like a big fat like John Hughes 80s Like a woman who used to like the woman who worked at the airport and plane trains and automobiles You're fucked. You know just like you're revoked get out of here Jeffrey I was just doing what everybody else was doing And this is also the time when he's you know, he's really trying to get his shit under control

This is when he stole the mannequin from the store, which is a nice compromise I wouldn't be surprised if nowadays they do have all those life-sized dummies that are meant to That are meant for you I wonder if that would have alleviated at least a couple of these murders. You were talking about on this Were we talking about this podcast or we may be talking about in the live show that there's a problem with live dolls about being returned all fucking cut up. Oh People return basically they get them and they slice open their fucking bellies like they're looking for some organs Right, and then they fucking send them back being like this one didn't have any organs

So well, that's a bad that's a bad day on the job. Can you imagine that your job is to return to return human sex dummies My well grandma made Jeffrey return his sex doll because ah, you know, she found it and she made him throw it out I love it. He's sort of living like what was it max a million from Confederacy adunces. Yeah Yeah No, it's Ignatious You don't understand me grandma get out of your grandma

Why this mannequin is among the most boisterous things I've ever had the pleasure of owning in my life Can you imagine grandma finding his semen encrusted fucking mannequin torso? You know that he'd put like a wig on it or like something like like a knife through its chest Yeah, and she's just like odd Jeffrey leaving his toys around. That's a she's a 67-year-old grandma from the Midwest. She has no idea what could possible be happy to that mannequin. No, she doesn't You know who else didn't have any idea what was gonna happen to him Steven to owe me Yeah, Steven to owe me got the surprise of his life. Yeah, the surprise of his death. Am I right? You are thank you Marcus. Thank you, Henry. It was in November of 1987

Steven to owe me 25 years old. He got picked up at club 219 Which was to become one of Dahmer's three favorite pickup spots. He was from on to Noggin. Is that correct then? I don't know you pronounced it so bad. I have no idea what that would be on to Noggin on to Noggin That sounds right Yeah, so they both went to the ambassador hotel, which we see classy. It is class. Yep. It's it was a heroin hotel CD rooming house. Yes a CD rooming house. Yes And so they they got wasted they passed out and when Dahmer woke up to owe me was dead Blood was pouring from his mouth and his chest was completely crushed in this is a summer had beat him to death

But Dahmer doesn't remember doing any of that. He said he did it up in a full blackout state And he said he woke up. He was surprised that he had done it that he had not prepared for it And again this shows a tremendous physical strength that Jeffrey Dahmer had because his parents put him in martial arts and weight lifting school, which is insane So Dahmer he bought a suitcase from the nearby Grand Avenue Mall, which is also coincidence Coincidentally he picked up a lot of his later victims at Grand Avenue Mall He put the corpse inside called a cab. He took the corpse of grandma's house unpacked Masterbated on have you heard the story too is that when the cab driver picked him up?

This is totally true cab driver picked him up was lifting the bag into the back of the cab And he's just like he's like a body what do you got in here body and Jeffrey Dunn was like yeah, I do I'm telling you the sense of humor in the Midwest could be too good sometimes Because you know like good cuz he probably had a long full just like a yeah We'll just put it in the trunk These guys so the next morning Jeffrey takes to omie's body He severs the head the arms the legs the torsos fillets the bones from the body Cuts the flesh in a tiny little plate pieces puts the flesh in plastic garbage bags put it puts it outside with the rest of

Trash he smashes up all the bones with a sledgehammer took them took about about two hours, which is pretty quick I mean he's a pro well This is also him and out of sure desperation right he did not expect to kill this person He didn't think he was going to but of course again little permissions You kind of build yourself up to it You kind of put yourself in the scenario where it'll happen and then you'll be surprised at what happens of course right But he was just trying to get rid of the evidence well not completely because I just figured him listening to Sunday morning coming down Just drinking a beer on the on the bed just sitting there with the corpse just

Man Weird well he wasn't trying to get the rid of the body too much because this was his second kill was also his first attempt at Retaining a trophy. He took okay. He kept the head In a wrapped up in a towel for about two weeks And then he tried to he boiled the head in a mixture of a cleaning liquid called soy lex I've never heard of soy lex. I've never heard of soy lex either. It sounds like it's a thing. You specifically used to melt flesh Yeah And that became soy lex. He did use that throughout his career. I was soy lex and bleach

Hey there Steve you want me to boil you to get the skin off your face? You are funny Steve. Yeah, that scenario comes up later Yeah, but unfortunately he boiled it in soy lex and bleach and it ran to the skull very blip brittle And it wasn't yeah, he couldn't really use it. He was using it to masturbate with but it was falling apart over cooked it He overcooked it. Yeah, isn't that isn't that sad? Yeah, just the stories of a beginning chef when I was teaching myself to cook I burn things all the time But now you just get into a groove. Yeah Well, the funny thing or not the funny thing, but he okay

Yeah, it's kind of a funny thing He was never charged with this murder because they were never able to find a body Investigators they even considered charging him with failure to report a death Which in Wisconsin is a class B misdemeanor a fine not to exceed a thousand dollars or imprisonment not to exceed 90 days Oh, well, you could have gotten off easy the 80s were different the 80s were just a different time Yeah, and this is it. I think this is a very interesting thing because this is Dahmer's first kill after nine years And he says that he blacked out and the Dean of College of Criminal Justice at Northeastern gave him double-secret probation

Well, you can't kill a horse in the goddamn guy's office, you know, that's an animal house reference His name's James Allen Foxy. He had something fairly interesting to say He said maybe his victim said something to him that made him block out what happened Even to a serial killer some things may be too traumatic. It was it was the 50 schlitz The pills he was taken in the whiskey either buddy ain't gonna make me into a human lamp are you? No, no just a porridge So after this this is when the killing truly began this is again We this is him going into full berserker mode for the first time

Yeah, he'll do it two times in his career and this is him. Just yeah, you know schools out for the summer Yeah, for mr. Dahmer. He's having fun now, you know two months later. He met 14-year-old Jamie Doxtator outside of club 19 Jamie was a young kid who used to just cruise outside of the bar at 14 at 14 This happens again and again, man. I was just I just we made movies with my friends in the park at 14 Well, I kissed a girl and it was just like oh, well, I listened to hanging by the moment Yeah, oh, but lighthouse you like that oh, no, no, no, I think you guys are starting that before if there's a fan out They're looking to try to find them listen try to find them listen to them. Whatever Was drops of Jupiter terrible stuff. That's what I was 14. This is 80. What is this 87?

Yeah, so he's listening to twisted sister and motley crew with some guns and roses and real good shit Yeah, so Jamie he just like a lot of other Jeffrey's other victims. He was had a long criminal history Yeah, he was like a cool little kid. He's 14. He's a car thief and a hustler. Yeah Dahmer said that he thought that Jamie was Hispanic about 18 years old and this is another weird thing about Dahmer's that he will He will admit to killing and eating and butchering and all that right all of his underage victims He always maintains. I thought they were 18 because he didn't actually want to have sex with kids It was just the hairless torsos. He was after yeah, you know, and who can blame him? I mean Oh

The people system. I like a good hairless torso. Sure. Well, I mean I enjoy full adult females Yes, and that's where you could get that they tend to be here could also have a man shave There are ways to do it. You could just say to someone Hey, I like a shave chest and like all you should meet shave chest Bernie over there in the go-go cage He doesn't have hair on his chest. You don't have to find a boy. Dahmer wasn't much of a talker though You know, he really wasn't what he was good at though was offering to take people back to his apartment To pose for pictures. Oh, yeah, but he loved that he was Hispanic, but he turned out to be all Native Americans He turned out to be half stock bridge half

Oh, Nita, which is why many of our famous Native American characters and movies were played by Spanish people for a very long time easily Spanish people are Johnny Depp Fusing but now so he's out of grandmother's house. No, he's still in grandmother's house. Oh, yeah Yeah, he's still in grandmother's house He takes Jamie back takes some pictures gives him the drink with the drugs missed in mixed in Jamie Falls asleep Jeffrey strangles him to death and that is that's Jeffrey's MO, right? Yeah, take him back to the apartment give him the drugs They pass out strangle him to death

Well, there are very few instances where that doesn't happen It's a more humane death than what the the Oklahoma gave that dude on death row with the triple cocktail there You know Lord keep him pass somebody out and strangle him to death. It's not the worst way to go Do we want to play the sound clip of when Jeff realized like what his life for them was? Oh, yeah, this is Mr. Kennedy talking about Jeffrey's I guess perfect recipes perfect process He would lay Listening to their heart and he trained himself to learn when they were coming out of the drug induced

Coma by their breathing because it would start to get kind of sharp and short from the long breathing of a drug induced And that's when he knew it was time to kill them Oh And that's what he said and that's why he would he'd strangle him because I was at least painful way to kill him Yeah And if you remember this goes back to when he was a kid if you remember from the first episode He used to do the same thing to his childhood friends. Yeah, he would sit there He would listen to their chest to listen to their heart, right?

And I mean this was something that had gone back a long If it wasn't such a perverted brain, he would have been a pediatrician He would have been a doctor or at least that you know have a friendly hobby of being a taxidermist Yeah, but then he also did the same thing this we're just watching him play out his childhood games on in the adult world Yeah, so like how like Michael Jordan used to play basketball when he was in middle school He says one day I'm gonna make it to the pros with all the champions just like that Yes, so now he's starting to win some championships. He was just wants to see some bone She wants to get that ring and see in how many times he could look at a liver. Mm-hmm

And I'm not sure who's crazy or Dahmer or Michael Jordan They're not sociopaths when I want to see bones. I go to the natural history museum Yeah, or you just go back to Texas or my backyard. Yeah, so He dismembered the body with a knife by the backroom draped drain broke up the bodies of the bones with a sledgehammer Put him in plastic bag blah blah blah. He didn't remember the face Jamie's face when cops showed him a mug shot He didn't remember the face but the odd detail that he did remember he remembered that the boy had two scars Close to his nipples that were about the circumference of a cigarette

Real odd real odd. Oh the kid was probably abused by his uncle or something at a young age and had cigarette burns there I just like how perverted Jeffrey Dahmer is that you just blah blah blah over him cutting up a corpse and putting it into a Plastic happen sixteen times. Yeah, I'm just saying usually blah blah blah over a bad conversation that occurred But yeah, so two months later Dahmer meets Richard Guerrero The process is identical except for one very important escalation This is the first time that he actually has sex with the dead body. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's where discovering his favorite flavor Which is that but I love that the parents of Richard Guerrero So it's like our son isn't gay. Yeah, I'm not gay it came out

They said they it's like the only way that I think Dahmer could have got him was by luring him with money or a party Which kind of makes him sound gay? Yeah Really Party monster, that's exactly what happened to the person that got killed in that movie So the family they spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on a private investigator. This is sad The private investigator they found out that the guy never even worked on the case And when they asked him like what can you what did what happened to him? He goes and maybe a drug deal gone bad I don't know that this would have been the greatest case of all time for a private investigator. No work

It was done. No work was nobody trying to save these people Yeah, and no none of this and you'll also see this time and again is that the cops nobody paid attention to the Guerrero's They try going to the press they try going to the cops nobody gave them any attention But when Richard Guerrero was positively identified as one of Dahmer's victims these people didn't know a moment's peace for months The press was camped out on their lawn and this happened with almost every single one of his victims Of course because it was this in crazily this crazy sensational serial killer case He's like the most infamous serial killer of all time. It's just a problem. It's a problem The fact they were all just that they were not investigated because of homophobia. Yeah, because of homophobia and also well

We'll get into that later. Yeah, there's nothing going on in Wisconsin at the time No, I mean this was I think the Green Bay Packers had hadn't won a game in about a decade and a half Then we'll walk you bucks are terrible, and that's all yeah, so just because the sports I don't know. I think that I think it's valid so by summer of 88 Grandma decides she's got enough at Jeffrey's antics Yeah, all the moaning and the screaming and probably yelling to himself hammered bags and bags of schlitz cance Yeah, it's like going out him probably sleep on the stoop. It's going like grandma. They keep coming me to me to die Hmm, you know, she's just like I've had it. I want to be young again

and not just bags and bags of schlitz cans but bags and bags of Garbage cans with a black substance oozing from them Jeffrey or Catherine asked Catherine noticed there was some black bags garbage bags out in front of her house that had a black substance oozing from them She didn't want to confront Jeffrey with it So she asked Lionel you need to talk to your son about this black oozing substance And then who's went on to create the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Oh, that's something yes

And Jeffrey said that he was just back up to his old tricks that he was just removing the skin from animals He'd found with chemicals totally over for a 29 year old man to be doing. Oh, absolutely I cannot believe the courage the audacity of this guy to just put it out for garbage men to find it worked It's not getting again. These are the best guys if you're ever worried that garbage men are stealing from your trash They're not we're talking about a body in there and find out mirrors felt the same thing He felt like he was on by at a certain point. He felt like nobody could catch it. Yeah, he felt like now Well, now I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing with my life So now I'm protected by some other energy, right? We see that we'll see that later on where Jeffrey's fucking his

It's psychosis took him into a sort of a magical land. Yeah, even more than Ramirez. Gacy was the Gacy was just toying with the cops Never thought because he was bigger than the police. He had connections to the mafia. Yeah, to the governor's office Everyone so on September 25th, 1988 Jeffrey moves out of grandma's basement Mm-hmm to North 24th Street in Milwaukee. He will walkie. What'd I say? Mel walkie. I think it's just an accent God damn it. I mean no while Mel walkie sounds like it's somewhere in Australia or something So he moved to this place. He stayed there less than a month before He couldn't he decided that he was gonna pick up a 13 year old lay ocean boy Uh from school one day this little boy. They're just sashaying around asking for it all these lay

Oceans, I don't know how you pronounce that. It's loud loud ocean lay ocean. Yeah, he didn't deserve it Not what am I saying? He didn't technically 13 year old. He's a 13 year old boy So Jeffrey he walked up to him. He said hey, I want to try out my new camera Do you want to help me try out my new camera? He said all I've asked all these other kids and they've all said no Well, you never know when it's the you know guy from American apparel and you're gonna be on the I don't know It's because I'm six foot three reekin of booze and my eyes are all blaze over my clothes stink But they all keep just saying no to me lay ocean boy So he eventually Jeffrey offered him 50 bucks

Took the boy inside took a couple of Polaroids Kissed the kid's stomach Took his dick out of his pants touched it and said look sexier and the whole time this kid was Drinking like what's his name? Terry? He's a lot like Terry Richardson actually so this kid the whole time He was drinking Bailey's and coffee, which is a pretty adult drink for a 13 year old Yeah, which is you reading? What is it? Sto it's toast. Oh, I took What happens to you? Oh, nevermind toast. Oh, the boy is drinking an interest in adult substance

All right, I had a lump all right. I'm gonna I have cancer So the the Bailey's and coffee that was of course mixed with Halcyon Yeah, which Halcyon is a cousin of Valium sounds relaxing. Oh, well, yeah, I'm sure it was very relaxing But however Jeffrey did let the boy go he went home And of course the family noticed that some was up when the kid kept bumping into walls and couldn't really speak They took him to a hospital his dick was out I'm sure Jeffrey took that one back Wait wait wait save that for later

Relieve So they took him to the ER they confirmed that there was drugs in his system The boys said that he'd gone with a sandy-haired soft-spoken man Okay, they were able to narrow down in the neighborhood because Jeffrey was a registered sex offender Yeah at this time, so they were able to and also working for the chocolate Which is where they arrested him which is like being a special ops guy who's back home starts working for a bullet factory Yeah, they arrested him at 2 30 a.m. The next day When they asked him like listen, didn't you know he was underage?

Jeffrey's response was you know, it's so hard to tell wasn't the outside of a middle school He was a freshman in high school. Yeah, you tend to know if people are Catholic if they're coming out of a Catholic Church Or you know what underage if they're coming out of a middle school like he was looking for little boys Yeah, it was almost like he was hunting them Hmm so about the drugs Jeffrey said that hey listen, that's the coffee cup that I used to drink my Baileys and coffee in Valium, so there was probably some residue left in there. It just seems like a whole weird combo to say Oh, you know every morning. I love to have my I have about an inch of Baileys a splash of coffee And I tossed a cup of halcyon in there just so I'm good enough to fly the plane later

Well, you are working at the world's slowest chocolate factory Ambrosia, so I understand his boss if he had heard that news he'd been like, oh, yeah, we're all on Halcyon Yeah, yeah, we don't want to know that Lucille ball stuff going on with the chocolate's coming too fast. You can't handle it, you know the Jeffrey he Pleads guilty He is charged with sexual exploitation of a child second-degree sexual assault But while awaiting sentencing that's when murder number five comes so he is ballsy as hell at this point Well, he's just hammered. Yeah, and he's just like I feel like the confidence you saw in a Bundy or Ramirez is replaced by the fact

That this man gets blind drunk and that's technically when he's at his best Yeah, that's when he's at his most forward like he can he's making moves He he feels like he's Michael Jackson and that like video where he's got the white shirt and the black pants He does the moonwalk for the first time Yeah, yeah, he feels like he's like But every time we walk single like hey, hey, you know to everybody you meet Yeah, I would have loved to see him like when he does start dancing at these clubs like 219 or whatever. We just kind of walks backwards I am moonwalking

You are you're just walking backwards and there's a wall right and They're like your moves. I guess I won't be killing you tonight. You're lucky. I'm not asking you on a date. I'll see you later, buddy So he takes Anthony Spears who he meets at uh? La Cajofre, which is the La Cajofre is the gayest name you can call a place So if you're trying to hide, that's not the way to do it. You call it like Mansburg That's what you call him the big old manly bar. That's right steal town. Oh, yeah, I want to go there Sounds like a tough sports bar The Anthony was Jeffries first victim of African American origin

He's a very diverse color all the rest of his murders would all be black because we find us because they have the hairless Chest that he searches for for the most part for the most also the neighborhood that he lived in now So yeah, so he was this guy Anthony sears Jeffrey told him that he was from Chicago He was visiting his grandmother Anthony told him that he was an aspiring model Which by the way the Milwaukee gay scene as we will see is full of aspiring Unfortunately the walkie isn't chock full of a modeling So that doesn't really help which is why Jeffries like the front like well, this is the first step of my big break

Yeah, come into my place. I'll take some pictures of you. Absolutely. Oh, I'll bring my fireman's costume I'm a fireman's costume a doctor's costume an EMT costume and a farmer's costume so we can get my composite going So they they went back to his house Jeffie strangled him You know had sex with the corpse dismembered the body and this skull would be the first skull that he would keep He boiled the skull just boiled it in water, which is the best thing you learned He learned you don't boil it with caustic chemicals. Come on Jeffrey. Come on Jeffrey. So he boiled it He painted it gray and this is something that he would do with all of his skulls He painted it gray so in case he was caught he could tell the cops that it was a plastic model

He was imagine going like a lot of me Painting pain pain pain. Oh Is it the right kind of gray? Mmm, let me get some more black Pinball was your plan, but just on like skip Just skip it in the background So he preserved the head and the genitalia of spears and acetone and this is balls. He is shit He stored the head and genitalia of his victim in his work locker

Because he was still living at grandma's house at this time. Well, I'm sure they know he was a grandma's house here He was still in grandma's house. Yeah, I feel like at this point Well at this chocolate factory the boss learned a long time ago. Don't look in the lockers Stuff you find in a chocolate workers locker is not it's not Santa's workshop Right, right, right, right, right. So he eventually confessed that this skull would be the centerpiece of the altar That he would masturbate in front of for years to come. No, this is when he really Got kind of crazy. Well, I mean, this is what this is how you become a pope What they do well the altar this skull was I mean this a murder happened long before he had enough bones and heads and flesh to

Actually build the altar. He's looking forward to the yeah, this is just yeah base air He had the idea came to his head You know how we wanted to be comedians, right? I could be a comedian and he's just like, you know what I'm gonna do one day I'm gonna make a big jerk-off bone altar Well, I'm gonna write it down and I'm gonna keep my wallet and if I'm still thinking about it a year from now, I'll do it So let the altar was the most grotesque thing that I've ever read about This is that you know this this is what he this was his crowning achievement at the end of his murders The altar was seven skulls two entire

Skeletons He had he had a black table He had put all these on he had photo. He there. It was covered in photographs of all of his victims Like real Etsy like yeah, I mean it's sort of like that Kevin Costner movie You know if you field of dreams if you build it, they will come but like he was just one in a Marilyn Manson concert He built it. He would he would come. Yeah, that's build it. I will come Yeah, that's true. Was he Kevin Costner beaten off on the pictures mound? No, no, no, no time in baseball. No, not for me. It wasn't. Yeah, this is my field of dreams

I feel the creams really wish that I had not come to this old baseball field. I'm shooless Jackson I should have worn some shoes if I knew that Kevin Costner would be jerking off all over my feet trickery motherfucker The incense sticks were also placed on each end of the black table. I was thinking that this whole time great incense. Yeah Little holders. Oh, yeah The entire construction was to be placed before a window covered with a black opaque shower curtain in front of which Jeffrey He didn't get to this part. He intended to buy a really nice black leather chair. Really nice chair I just kind of want to I'm just kind of looking for a nice

Relaxing chair that I could put in front of my bone altar that I could jerk off all over the bones Well, we're gonna need to get you One of these Peterson's now this way you look back silver riveting. You've got a deep pocket bucket seat Do you like to drink beer? Do you like to drink a little bit? Oh, I've got to drink beer I'd be killing you right now. Why don't you push that button right there on the left? Oh, it's a beer It's a beer Believe I found something that works so perfectly. Yeah, you want to come by my place We've got a couple of delivery guys coming make them hairless

When they asked him who this altar was dedicated to he said Myself it was a place where I could feel at home believe me. I understand. Yeah, I don't need a new couch We just ordered a new couch. I can't wait for my new couch to compliment and feel Mm-hmm, like I'm at home. I'm with them on that a nice couch really does make you feel like you like you own the place Yeah, so sentencing comes along for the sexual assault charge and this is another example of him slipping through the cracks D.A. Gale Gale Shelton Based on a report of findings from Dahmer's past she argued for a sentence of five to six years Minimum she said I think we should put him in one of those mirror prisons like General Zod and Superman 2

She said in my judgment It is absolutely crystal clear that the prognosis for treatment of mr. Dahmer within the community is Extremely bleak and the reality is that treatment within the community is just plain not going to work his track record Exhibits that he is very likely to reoffend Mr. Dahmer's perception that what he did wrong here was choosing to young a victim and that's all he did wrong is Part of the problem three different mental health Professionals said that he was angry resistant evasive manipulative. Yeah, one doctor said that he had schizoid personality Recommended intensive treatment

Hospitalization another one said that Jeffrey had problems with his sexuality Maybe possibly maybe there's some problems described to Dahmer as very alone in the world And this having a monastic and spartan lifestyle. That's what his attorney said. He was very semi sick I say semi because he hasn't manifested the sickness that this was his attorney's defense I don't think that's the best way. It's like well Let's just think about he's not completely sick because he doesn't have like a chain of ears. Do you Jeff? You know No

Is three years connected together a chain No, we need at least seven Chain it's a key chain. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah, that's semi semi crazy So the turning Gerald Boyle. He said that just said the mere act of Jeffrey getting caught was enough to keep him from escalating He said having had a lot of contact with this man since I was hired to represent him like six months Yeah, there has been no recurrence of this type of conduct killed two people And here's this is a fucking amazing irony is that this same guy Gerald Boyle He had prosecuted Milwaukee's very first serial killer case 20 years earlier and then he went to work for the offense

Yeah, and then he worked to get Jeffrey Dahmer back on the street because he knew what he was good at Yeah, which is getting those killers back out on the streets So what was the sentence the sentence was five years of probation fair. Yeah, fair Absolutely five years of probation for each count to run concurrently. He was also He begged and pleaded with a judge to help let him keep his job He's like I need to keep my job so much like I absolutely need to keep it. I'm a hard worker My job is all I had. I mean, he was so good at forming the bars with his bare hands. Yeah It if anybody has had ambrosia chocolate, please let us know I've never I've never got a sample

I mean a bar of it if you grew up in the 80s and you had an ambrosia chocolate You probably had something touched by Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, he works the big mixer. Oh It was his job is that he worked the big mixer on the overnight So he was all yeah, and he was can you trust anyone who works over nights? No, my dad wasn't over the oh I had a night job though. Yeah, yeah, Martin from human centipede to worked overnight fake character. Yeah, all right so this guy he was sent into a work release program meaning he had to Be at the jail during the day and then go to work at night. Where's the FDA by the way What do you do a food and drug administration? Be like you had a jackoff expert over here putting all the chocolate in the goddamn mixer

I think we have a problem. No that chocolate. They the way chocolate company worked They did school like a lot with their fucking fingers in their ears They don't want to hear because if they had to fire every sex offender that was at the chocolate factory We Easter would be over So here's what's fucked up is that his parole officer was supposed to make month or a twice monthly home visits to Jeffrey Dahmer's home But because she had so many cases and because Jeffrey lived in such a terrible neighborhood She never went to his apartment. They say cases you're talking about cases of PBR. They're all drunk I'm telling you the detective is drunk. Everybody is drunk in Wisconsin. Yeah, so Jeffrey after being released from prison

he moved back to him with his grandmother very briefly and then moved into the infamous apartment 213 on 924 North 25th Street. Oh, my mill walkie His Graceland. Yes, it was and over the next man. They demolished in that entire building Yeah, they're not even putting anything on top of it. Are they I don't think no no they leave that I don't see we were just outside talking to somebody who they were like It was like I can't believe but what about everybody else upset There was an apartment building when they were knocked it down or just like no I think they were done living at those apartments. I found out what happened. It was a slum of an apartment

So yeah, they got better lives out of it. Yeah, it was I mean in fact this area It was 69% black the rents were half that of the nicer neighborhoods of Milwaukee. There were 2378 people living on Dahmer's block alone and Here's another thing about talking about nothing going on in Milwaukee at that time. Milwaukee was having a record year for Homicide. Oh, yeah, so it was totally appreciate. It was the same thing that was going on with the zodiac killings or it was like you have these there's a Mass of violence happening in an area. It's the perfect place for a serial killer to be opera. Pops would not go past It was a I forget the street. They would not go past. It was like on Oakland and whatnot. Yeah, they just never go down there

But as a delivery driver or driver for Jimmy John subs, I would I believe that everybody needed a a wonderful All meet all cancer-causing sandwich, and that's why we call him Ben hero of the people Trying to think of the burgers name there the sandwiches names for a hunter's club. Yes. I love Jimmy John Absolutely, I would have been so happy if I was in that neighborhood. I saw you if I got the sandwich from you Yeah, you know, there's one just called big tuna. I was just full of tuna So Jeffrey What's happened to you? I don't know you just remember you just got all whistful about your Jimmy John's experience

I was in the neighborhood of the Dahmer was uh, it was you know hanging out So Jeffrey after being in this work release program for an entire year. No kills whatsoever He less than a week in his new apartment goes and gets his next victim. Of course. You got a bachelor pad You got to use it. Yeah, no housewarming gift for himself Uh Raymond Smith. He was a male prostitute Dahmer took him back to 219 with the promise of 50 bucks per sex There was the drink seven sleeping pills manually strangled He took the next day. He went out and bought a Polaroid camera and took any post

This guy's body into a lot of different. This is the first time he started posing the bodies. Yeah Take pictures. Yeah, and he said it to show off their physique. Yeah, you know that that famous photo That everyone's seen of the body in the back all arts back. This is that was Raymond Smith Yeah, of course that inspired outcast song shake a like a Polaroid picture. That's disgusting Happiest songs ever written. It was shake it. I can't help but feel that that is not the case It might be the case, but you never know maybe if they were from Milwaukee Maybe Atlanta sir Atlanta or in Atlanta is about the hip hop this story what the story spread though You never know so one week after that Dahmer decides to try his hand again

But this time had a bit of a bugaboo He accidentally switched the drinks and drank his own drug-laced drink And he woke up 300 dollars in a watch lighter. No, what I what I think is interesting about this is it? Yes, if this was a sitcom It would have been a hilarious episode of a sitcom. Yes, but it's reality and he's a horrible monster. Right, right, right, right So uh Dahmer he meets eddie smith 28 at the phoenix bar. Uh, he He also has a bit of a goof on this one. Uh, he uh tried He uh, he just couldn't wait to get to scully time. I mean when you got the altar on your mind

You're like, oh, I need is seven. I need seven. All right. One This one. Oh, look how big his head is Yeah, it's gonna be so big my head would have been on top of that. Oh lord. Yeah. Yeah, you would have been a fucking werther's bowl Yeah, that would have been nice So, uh, I wish great. I wish Dahmer could have been a grandfather I want some chocolate. I want some candy. This was a black prostitute. I killed. Yes. Now it holds gummies So he takes the head and uh, he decides that the best way to get the skull dry is to put it in the oven When you put a skull in the oven, it explodes

So was the brain still in the skull or had he scooped it clean? I think he had scooped it clean I think this is post-boil. Do we know what he does with these brains? He just bags them up Yeah, he doesn't eat the brains. No, no, that's fine. Well, we'll find out later. I eat the thighs and the bias Yeah, he's not a viscera man whatsoever. Okay. He's a all meat, man He's a good cuts man. Uh, he's not like henry eating those disgusting organs He gives your eyes gives you power You eat more disgust in the jeffrey Dahmer I don't know

You know i do mine are still things raised to be killed I guess you could say the same about man the most dangerous game to hunt You're just taking that straight from surviving the game. That is a line that that gary bucey has and you know Dommer he said about this one he felt rotten about it yeah cause he didn't get any of the cool shit out of him oh I see it wasn't because he murdered a man it wasn't because he murdered the man it was because he wasn't able to get

anything from it which I think what he was thinking in his mind is that it had gone completely to waste because he always felt remorse he hated killing he hated killing he felt remorse after every murder But he saw it in his fucked up mind. He saw all of it as a means to an end So if there was no end this person died for nothing. Yeah, this person died for nothing He was very Native American about it You think the buffalo

Now this is also this next fact right here is I did not know at all I didn't know about this either until I started researching this guy He actually called this guy so Dahmer called Raymond Smith Yeah, David call Dahmer called Raymond Smith sister Carolyn about a year after he was supported or after he was reported missing and she answered the phone and The guy on the other side of the phone said don't look for your brother and when she said why he just said because I killed him And Dahmer confessed that he made not only did he make the call, but he made multiple calls It was family members doing this exact same that's very

Interesting he got away with it too. Just making phone calls and you know That's fucked up in Dahmer's rationales that he thought he was doing the nice thing. Yeah, he thought he was giving them closure I guess to some degree he was if they believed him. I mean, it's fucked up Yeah, it's not cool. You can't do that anymore You can't have a burner phone and call somebody you can have a burner phone Al Cata does it every day We can't seem to find them and they're growing and they're more dangerous every week. We're gonna continue until we get every last one of them true So victim number seven his name was Ricky Lee Beaks

He met him at club 219 and that's a bit of a bit of serendipity there that it was club 219 Where he got a lot of his victims and he lived in apartment 219 interesting so that could have been a good pick I thought it was 213 You're right But I mean everyone was so drunk That's the least of all the lies he's gonna tell all night nine is divisible by three my friend. You're right. I'm wrong So in Dahmer said at this point He was on a roll as far as cutting up the bodies

This is a quote from Dahmer saying exactly how he did it. This is what he said I separated the joints the arm joints the leg joints and had to do two boilings I think I used four boxes of soy lex for each one put in the upper portion of the body And boil that for about two hours and then the lower portion for another two hours The soy lex removes all the flesh turns it into a jelly-like substance and it just rinses off Then I laid the clean bones in a light bleach solution left them there for a day and Spread them out on either newspaper or cloth and let them dry for about a week in the bedroom

And what this have possibly smelled like oh Oh, it's like soy lex. This is just a fucking unbelievable that he got away with this for so long It's like yeah, that must have reeked. I mean if you're a detective, don't you just go to the stores and be like got any soy lex Oh, you do okay got any so looks you do are you gonna so let's know all right Oh man and weird spectacles picked up all of it all 30 boxes of soy lex Okay, yeah, but who are these people who are the people that live in the apartment? Who are they gonna complain to the cops aren't gonna come they're not gonna complain to the cops anyway The racism of the Milwaukee Police Department was notorious. They're terrible

Slumlord isn't gonna come and check it out It was an interview with him briefly and born to kill and he uses like is like uses like older guy and he would see So yeah, and he was just like I went up there and I knocked on the door and I was like Yeah, are you better quit it with that smell? But you know, I never really heard nothing until the arrest came that's right You know what the excuse Jeffrey gave the landlord that he had some tropical fish that died. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes So there is one kid before the last victim There was one boy who did get away from Jeffrey Dahmer in this story

This is truly a sad story and again a testament to how racist and ridiculously This isn't the big one. This isn't the big one. No No, yeah, Jeffrey he picked up a 15-year-old boy outside of Phoenix bar gave him $200 to pose a nude photograph $19 an hour the chocolate factory starting to kick in that's right The boy went but would refuse to drink anything the Dahmer gave him this kid in it for the money I'll get $200 this perv weirdo. We'll take some pictures of me. I'm out of here. He said that the VCR was playing the exorcist It's like my house, but without all the murder. Yeah Yeah, and so and Dahmer came up behind him and hit him with a rubber mallet and tried to strangle him

You go to sleep you go to sleep Yeah, I mean did he throw a black circle against the wall and make him try to run through it, too I mean is he Wiley Coyote trying to get a road? You got a giant rubber band. He attached it to two things It slingshot at his way into the other room. Oh my god so he tried strangling him the boy was able to get loose and He Dahmer started bargaining with the kid He the kid said like all right like I won't call the cops if you just let me go All right, just let me go and Dahmer. I think at this point realize that he wasn't gonna get away with his regular

Strangling them in their sleep. He if he was gonna kill this person He was gonna have to kill them with their eyes open screaming Struggling and he couldn't do it. He couldn't do it. Yeah, so he left different than Bundy who needed that. Yeah Oh, yeah, most people again. He's a product killer not a process killer. So Jeff calls a taxi for him That says put four uber things were different. This is nice. This is a nice move when he got when the kid got back to his house I mean it was of course. He was in a foster home And he took he didn't tell his mother Yeah, I guess it's yeah, I mean he's fucking cruising outside of a gay bar Milwaukee at 14. Yeah

I mean he's not doing good. There's a lot of parenting going on in Wisconsin. So we went back to his father senator Cotches house Told his dad all about it And he didn't really tell his foster mom what happened because he she didn't know he was gay and he didn't want to tell her But eventually she pressed him they went to their social worker at the social worker promised to contact the police The police went to the house knocked on the door Jeffrey wasn't there and the cops never went back. Yep again Again, it's a nobody's call the smell and they never heard from the police They never heard from the social worker it plays into the cops races. Oh, you know those people. It's like a zoo

It's like a zoo in there. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's really it's the perfect hiding place for a bunch of corpses is a Black apartment building in Milwaukee. Yo, yeah Yeah, so the next guy Ernest Miller 25 the first and only time that Jeffrey would use a knife on the victim while he was still alive He cut this guy's throat. He said he didn't like it because he said it was too messy and caused too much pain It's messy well, it's true. It's because he again, he just didn't like it it drove him nuts You know that in between killings He was literally just sitting rocking himself to sleep all night like just getting power hammered so that he could even go to sleep Yeah, it's fucking world of mayhem that he was living in now. Yeah, well

I mean this one Henry the scenario that you brought up earlier This is when it actually comes to fruition And after he killed this guy, he put the body in the bathtub started to dismember him cut off the head And then while he was dismembering him He repeatedly kissed and talked to the dismembered head. Hey, you know, hey, so tell me I hear you Hey, so you want to hear a joke there? There's a clear up on here. It's like all right When one muffin said to the other muffin in the oven, what did they say? What did he say?

Oh, what are you saying? Oh, it's easy. Oh, it's too hot in here. What are the other muffins? He didn't oh, what are you saying? She's like, oh, no, we're talking to my friend Yeah, that's good What do you call cheese and that's not yours, hey? Oh Speaking of and of course, Robert he completely dismembered he stripped the body of all the flesh He hung the photograph he hung the skeleton in the shower and photographed it And now I think it's time to hear a little bit a little bit about what Jeffrey did in the shower Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is when things started to get weird

He would come back from work and make love with the dead body. He would sleep with it He would lie with it. He would rub it and have sex with it. He was just very very enamored with the concept of opening up by seeing the internal organs spill forth and Several of the bodies he would put in his bathtub and pack with ice in midweek because he had to work the next day So he could keep them for the weekend where you have more time to enjoy himself with these bodies He said to do that. He'd have to shower with cold water. So he would not be asked

It was uncomfortable. It was well worth it. Yeah, everybody's working for the weekend God damn, what are you gonna do this weekend Bob? I'm gonna have a couple of cold ones I just cracked myself up Well, I'll be seeing you. Yeah, I was gonna go in my yacht with the kids. I hope y'all don't burn the caramels Okay Well, more important than anything else out of this kill is that this is his first Cannibalism kill here. We say This is when the cannibalism started and then what I really find interesting about this whole process is like no other

Terrial crime Investigation can you see the actual steps of escalation so clearly so clearly kill? He amped it up a little bit for himself So it's a little bit more deviant. It's just trying to scratch at it. She can't figure out how to please himself One detective said it looked like it was like he was searching for the ultimate orgasm. Yeah, but it's also almost Like a relationship to some degree You know, you don't you don't have sex with the gal that you love for the first time in in the ways You're gonna be having sex with her ten years down the road whenever one gets each other's fetishes and things

I mean, this is like an actual. Yes. I'm gonna kill her. Well, no I mean, he started with you know He started with him with a high level. So I mean that you gotta start eating them, you know So victim number nine was his only non-sexual kill David Thomas was just too ugly. Yeah Yeah, he killed he took him back to the apartment and the only reason why he killed him Was because he was afraid that David would be angry with him Well, I bet he's angry up in heaven right now being like I wish we would have gotten brunch instead Jeff Yeah, well and then after this Jeffrey goes through what we call a bit of a dry spell

Well, I think after that he realized I think that when he killed him and he realized cuz I was it's true I think we see that in this is that he took him home. He was like, ah, he's like this isn't even What I want I knew what I wanted, you know what I should take a little break and then come out to this with a new passion new passion Take a vacation. Yeah, I mean there is definite. There is absolute Evidence to suggest that Jeffrey Dahmer's bipolar I mean when you talk and by the way this entire time the entire time that he is killing all these people He's meeting with his probation officer every two weeks every two weeks me to probation officer. This man had all of it

Everything that was bad everything that could be bad person. He got all of it. He is by far I mean like well, of course, there are many others that are different, but I find that Jeffrey Dahmer is probably the most mentally ill does in terms of like I Honestly think you could have just drugged him up and kept him in a state hospital if you had found him really early and had just Kept him from all this. Yeah, we're certain other people were kind of like, you know, like Ted Bundy was like a fucking cougar Yeah, you know like a very dangerous Jeffrey Dahmer was just a very fucked up. Let's end at the beginning. Oh Oh 19 year old

Errol Lindsay was walking home to get a key cut one day Lindsay was a heterosexual, but Jeffrey was able to lure him to the apartment. This is one. Oh, yes. I forgot. This is when he became a bit of a mixologist This is when he became a bit of a mixologist Errol Lindsay was Jeffrey Dahmer's very first love zombie Now my question with this is how did he even get the idea? Does anyone I've been looking for it and looking for it You like horror movies you probably just watch Romero's day of the dead and his father was a chemist remember Yes, so let's this grizzly detail that's involved in this is very important and then we can talk about it

Yeah, so he came into the apartment he was drugged and Jeffrey drilled a hole into his skull and Impored muriatic acid. No, he said what he had was he had a hand drill from when he was doing some stuff in his house And he said he's just like when I was listening to him talk about it He's just he's like yeah I figured I could do it real quick and get the hole in there and then I poured the acid in there and you know

I don't know what I was thinking, but you know, it just didn't work how I wanted it to work No, it didn't. Oh, no, no, and so Lindsay was somehow still alive and He woke up Yeah, and basically he's because he hoped that he'd pour this acid in his fucking brain And it would mush him up and make him a zombie right he woke up and said I have a headache What time is it? And then he drugged him again, right and then strangled him. It's bone fucking time

Well now you're a lamp. Yeah Well, there's one more one more victim to get to his name's Tony Hughes. He was victim 12 I mean everyone was complaining about the smell. They said that they had heard a sound of a chainsaw Every once in a while Psycho Bainman style. He's playing the exorcist on loop. Yeah, right working for the weekend on loop probably the same time It was a song of that summer definitely, you know like he's all up on a he keeps asking people if they want to see catty Shack to what he's just talking to people's dogs

I mean, you know, so amazing is these black people must have just been like white people, huh? We got one white guy in this whole building. I Guess this is what they do. This is how you get left alone in the ghetto Yeah, and what Jeffrey said about the smell about the way he was disposing of the bodies the lack of days ago Way that he was going about everything. He just said Nobody ever said anything. So I kept doing it. He was so it's just again. If you're breaking the law pretend that you're not and Then you can get away with it. Eddie taught me that And he taught me that we're just like you just be like what?

What are you talking about? Anybody accuses you anything there's that seen him blowed the Johnny Depp where he stars Johnny Depp stars in that movie blows Like when you're carrying like 10 pounds of cocaine across the border You pretend like you're not carrying 10 pounds across the border just walk across the damn board. Yeah, that's it Oh, yeah, no, he he was a cool customer when it came to this and that was a part of it He's just yeah, we see the compartmentalizing of his personality his apartment because that's what they said There's this one quote that I find really interesting about him, which was they said that when he went back to his place This this quote about him is chilling the quote about him that like about this as you see the couple

Yeah, like he goes into his apartment Dahmer once said that once he had slapped snapped the lock on the door and the person was in his apartment Yeah, become more aggressive more powerful. It was almost like a psychological transformation He would become more sexually aroused so it's like he's built this perfect sex dungeon Yeah, and he's totally in charge of and it wasn't just one snap on the one lock of the door I mean he had like seven locks in this door. I mean who do you couldn't have gotten out of this place? Yeah, it was pretty nice one deadbolt. That's what you need one apartment door equals one deadbolt unless you're carrying gold bars Yeah, like you need one deadbolt. Yeah, it was it was guarded like an armored truck. So we have to we have to end here

Yeah, we have to end here. We'll be back next week We're gonna pump through the end of this to get to it. There's just so much stuff There's so much. Yeah, we I mean We just a lot of attention. He does the perfect example of the of losing yourself to your fantasies Yep, and again, I wanted to say this in the first episode Because of what happened like I this is kind of hammy and kind of a thing But it's like truly is it's like if you ever feel like you were having bad thoughts Yes, tell somebody like this is what could have been he could have been reached out to there were things that could have happened

The things went with like when he was left alone for that period of time when he first got obsessed with that jogger And that stuff like that was the time that maybe someone could have helped him But he was fucked from then on out. So tell somebody. Yeah, just talk to somebody Yeah, right right to us at cave company radio gmail.com. We'll answer it all on sex and other human activity. Yeah Sometimes tell yourself no tell yourself give yourself I'm not gonna do it. That's why women are so nice in relationships because they often say no and then you say, okay I can't do that So we'll be back next week. We'll start with the great escape

And we'll finish out Jeffrey Dahmer with the final kills the capture the confession the trial His own grizzly down his own very. Oh my goodness. So hail Satan everybody And you know what I want to say too if you're a Christian listener out there, that's fine. Thank you as well Satan loves your treachery Also, yes, and thank everybody for the birthday messages Yeah, I love all the burgers. Yeah, that was very awesome. Yeah, I felt powerful. I Think you felt powerful. I felt fucking powerful. Okay. That's a strangely nine feet tall Right, and thank you to everybody who donated to the murder fist Kickstarter to help our pilot. That was amazing

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