Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 131: Australian Serial Killers Part 1: Big Bradley

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

We begin our series on Australian serial killers with the backwoods Outback boys: Ivan Milat, Bradley Murdoch and Paul Steven Haigh.

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Just reminds me of bad community theater No, she's just trying to say it's almost right Australian. They're butchering my work of crocodile Dundee the musical You're in Portage County. It's a crocodile in my marriage How I wish there wasn't a crocodile in my marriage It's just no good actors in Portage County, Wisconsin when you try to put on one of the greatest pieces in theatrical history Crikey man

Crocodile Dundee the musical Good to go. Yeah, that's Marcus Parks. I'm Ben Kissel very talented linguist is with us today My name is Lionel Crikey, and I'm from way back in the eight back Australia If you didn't say Australia, I would be very confused. Where am I from? Australia or Jennifer Aniston just murdered you in the original leprechaun film Because you also sound like a leprechaun to some degree The Australian leprechaun, I'm waterwick Davis

I love that original leprechaun by the way that's before Jennifer Aniston's nose job, and I thought she was more attractive You're always more attractive pre-nose job. I like a big nose. I do too. Anyway, that was a great lead-in because today We're discussing Australian serial killers. God, I hope we are and I cannot believe I know I cannot believe how long it's Taken us to get to this subject turns out don't go backpacking. Everyone's crazy Australia is a dangerous place now. We actually have a lot of We have a lot of listeners in Australia. I told you actually our friend Baldy just had a birthday happy birthday Baldy And you are one of the last survivors of a horrible country get out of there go away immediately Yeah, it's fucking horrifying every time I read about this too because it's you know because I hear a lot of the crime comes from

I learned a term called Bogan Bogan Bogan me. It's like redneck. It's Australian redneck Please if I am fucking horribly ignorant Australians. Um, I guess go fuck yourself I don't need to say that. I don't mean please correct me. Well, I think the irony is if you are horribly ignorant They will accept you as one of their own But this is a group of it seems that the majority of these crimes that we're going to study come from this area Of Australia, which is out in the outback now We are going to do a second part to this web series to this episode Which is going to probably feature more of the city mouse killers

Sure, but these are our country mouse killers and for Australia. I mean obviously this is a lot of like Woods a lot of outback scenarios It's sort of the equivalent of what we considered the monsters during the nuclear wasteland that was during the hills have eyes Yes, like this is their equivalent, but they're just real people who live in the woods But they didn't study like Kaczynski. No, they were not out there doing science. No, no, they were fucking their sisters They were intercourse with their sisters I will say and you hear that often every time every one of these docs I watched based on because we're going to cover a rather notorious killer named even malat. Hmm. I think it's

Ivan Malat Ivan Malat Ivan I'm trying my best I'm not even going to participate And he um, he was a part of a big clan of people that they described as being like a family from the american south And we heard the american south over and over again because it's basically, you know You got all these families just kind of out in the woods with nothing but like a crick and um, you know A little mazy day to fuck. It's like if texas was a continent. Yes I mean, that's the thing because in the united states, there are cities that actually exist

Well, they're all in Australia, but they're right next to the nice beaches And you got the opera house and they got lord of the rings up in the north Right, but if you would go to a nice size town in australia, you'd be like this is pretty rural and they're like no This is this is where all the educated people are and then you can imagine 40 Yeah, perth and the 45 miles out. I mean you're getting to a real uh, a real bunch of cycle But perth has got a good number of serial killers which we'll cover in this second episode as well Now we've got a good number of listeners from perth as well. I believe zorba one of our good friends zorba Be careful out there zorba. You are obviously one of the victims of these people

Well, yes, we are starting with Ivan malat But also known as the perpetrator of the backpacker murders. Now, this is probably just one of a series of dudes that were Probably a part of the backpacker murders Yeah, because there it seems like this just happened a lot because people go from europe The pasty white knees of europe go to australia to get some sun and when they get there A lot of times they don't make it back. I'm lost. I'm lost. What should I do? Oh, I'm gonna trust that guy with the broken down car and the big I'm spilt. Oh, you want to see a snake? I go right here. That's a penis. That's a penis. Next thing you know

Well, all this happened in the 1997 young people between the ages of 19 and 22 were discovered partly buried in the belango state forest Also, most most places in australia sound like locations in hr puffin puff like puffin stuff, you know, yeah Uh, they uh, were three of them were german two of them were british And two of them were australians from melbourne. Yeah, partially buried. I'm could was it just leave their butts exposed I mean, how do you partially bury? I figure you know, you bury and just finish the job You'll find in his calling card I have him a last calling card was that the bodies would kind of be left out tied up with a pyramid of sticks over them

Like you can't see them like the blur witch project or something There which project true detective all those sorts of things. Okay. Uh, so Ivan malat. Let's get into Ivan's childhood here He was born two days after christmas That's kind of like frosty the snowman a little gift for you. Mrs. Malat Here's than Ivan the fourth son out of 14 children now They were all this is the best part. You know like in new york It's hard to meet new people You know what I mean, because it's like you're kind of always stuck in the same circle of people

You got to date the same see you go to match.com. Okay. Cupid tender Yeah, Ivan malat didn't get a chance to do that with his family. So they all had to fuck each other But you didn't need it. You don't need a tender when you have 11 sisters He was the son of a 44 year old Croatian immigrant and his mother was australian and she was Half her husband's age. He was 44. She was about 20. She was 22 and she had 14 kids I mean, so she started what what does that do the math at 14 years old? She had to be No, no, no, they married when she was about 2022. Yeah, and she's sort of shitting out kids real fast She went from being a tight 20 year old australian woman, which is beautiful. Oh, of course turning into a uh,

A pop tent dare I say as a barowski mother And of course he did have a hallmark many serial killers Uh, quite a few hallmarks actually, but the first one is an abusive father He said that his father the Croatian immigrant who forced 14 children out of his beautiful wife's vagina. He was he wasn't nice Ruled with an iron fist his brother walley said Uh, that said that if he got into any sort of trouble, he'd whack it to the ground as soon as she came home Uh, I will say though parenting 14 kids. Hmm. Oh, that's not easy You're not parent

You're mostly what you do is you take the five oldest you tie him to a tree the last of them The rest of them what you do is you throw food out into a ditch and you like to see who eats the most Sure, that's the new head of the kids Oh, I see Then the lord of the fly the lord of a flies approach to parenting I mean, honestly, it's not too far off from their childhood. What do you what do you eat when you Because this is actually a fairly your breakdown is a fairly nice breakdown I watched one that focused just on the family and the family

Was a series of they were obsessed with guns from childhood Oh, yes, with fighting like fighting each other, but they were in the wilderness I will say they probably needed guns for safety. Yes wild animals all around But then when the gun they're good the gun band happened in Australia They just kept their guns But the thing is they had like assault rifles and shed out on this farm and it was also this weird Battle between the brothers where Ivan malat was the biggest strongest and smartest So he could take whatever sister he wanted and he could do whatever he wanted in the house

And his mom thought, you know, what was the quote here that he was an altar boy Yeah Said uh there said there was never any trouble with him. He was an altar boy And of course, he was also very good at math and arts in high school as our brother Alex said Ivan was a bit smarter in the head than most of us. Well, yeah, of course when your parents are cousins No, I I used to go into the peanut butter with my fingers and Ivan would always say use a fork Like that's how smart he was. I know you don't understand. He's the kind of guy. He's always that's what I just turned into That's my accent. He's the kind of guy. He's always a step ahead. Let's just give it a midwestern accent

That's what it reminds me of the boss So started 17 this guy served six jail terms for breaking and entering stealing and car theft His mother said that all that was just because he fell in with the wrong crowd They kept saying that too with the all the brothers. It's like, yeah, we'd act out. Yeah, we'd act out Hey, we won't swallow You know just like but you were all you're also all just like practicing rape. They were all like practicing being killers Oh, definitely. Yeah, I said that the brothers never gave each other up They always covered for each other and they said that the sheer number of sons in this family always led to confusion with the police

And they all had that sort of ren fair Like like, you know beard with no chin part of the beard They all look like civil war generals and you can't tell them apart, especially when they're all bugger and fucking Macy day. I don't think they were re-enacting. They were real guns. They were marching with and they were extremely dangerous people So his sister died in 1971 and it said this is when Ivan snapped He liked his sister. He loved his sister He took it very hard and this is when he went out and raped two women near Liverpool in australia some some people Make a nice monument for their family

I'll eat a whole cake in grieving Sure, or maybe you know, maybe I'm gonna become a very good soccer player I'm gonna score score a goal in the world cup Like mr. Dempsey Dempsey the great american hero in this last world cup his sister passed away But he wasn't that big of a hero because we lost, right? Henry don't be a negative. Don't be a negative person. We got farther than people thought we were going to see only sport Where we're constantly lauded for losing. That's okay. We're gonna get better and we're we dominate the world Sure. Yeah, I mean we're doing fun. Yeah. We still have drone attacks on a regular basis

But he scored a goal and he dedicated it to his sister But Ivan did he did he point to the heavens after he raped these two women and said this is for you I'm sure the first thing he did was he cut open a squirrel and shoved it inside a hole of side of a tree So he could fuck it and still call it his sister. Oh a flesh tree Yeah, and then go back and then murder some people because the this girl got cold Yeah, that would be the originating the origination of the flesh like shoving a dead squirrel in a tree hole interesting fact about those rapes is that that was 20 years later that was around the same spot where all of the Murder victims would begin to vanish. We're going to see this again and again where it's like it seems to be

There's like this met life village of serial killers in the middle of whatever. What is the balongalo? State forest begunga The begunga no, balonga. Oh, all right. So this is this for and this is I'm gonna take a magical ship to balongalo Come with me. It's honey talking flute You know, we're gonna get this accent down by the time this episode's over well No, I'm betting against it So but this is the first time he's ever physically acted out in violence, right? Yeah. Yeah before then I mean he was beating this shit out of his brothers and raping his sister probably

I don't think we know about the sister. No, he was in a He was not only having sex with his sister, but he was having sex with each one of his brothers of wives Yep, and he was and he was also having sex with his Cousins wife for she at 17 married him while she was pregnant with her with Ivan's cousin's child That's how much of a charmer he was But apparently there was also that same woman They were at a party and he said something about him like it was like making fun of something about like his boots And he grabbed her by the hair pulled her in the house took a gun

Put her into her face and said if you ever embarrass me in front of my family again, I'll blow your brains out Well, that's just chapter seven of the australian pickup artist And you know the family were not asked to the wedding because apparently there was a bit of a feud Oh, the the family members were upset that he had sex with all their wives. Yeah Yeah, but this is we'll see a lot in these australian killings is this sense of inferiority Where it's like these guys need to establish dominance. Ivan the lat was like again It's like there's a lot about sex of course and just sort of like what you see often in rural killers is like They're done with fucking sheep. They're done with fully, you know, like fucking their sister

They want to fuck some new they're and they're very stupid people. They're very stupid I mean, he was probably the most mathematically sound only because he found a way to open up the square book And his wife said that he at this time became gun crazy which in rural australia becoming gun crazy I can only imagine what that fucking licking on it and doing whatever you could with it My wife now. Oh, yeah, ordering two at the at the outback steakhouse, which I hear is very popular there Because your guns got to eat with you and now to the blooming onions. This is a question for australians. Do they grow naturally in australia? Can we go down and pick them can we pick them on a holiday to get a good csa blooming onion? Ah, yeah, they don't have lettuce patches. No blooming onion patches out there

So Ivan beat the shit out of his wife on a regular basis. She got sick of it in 1987 The divorce went through in 1989 and by the end of that year Two hitchhikers his first two victims had gone missing So do the family know that he so the family of this woman that he married knew that he was a serial rapist and potential murderer What before they got married it just seemed like in the end it's its common mentality You see a lot of like boys will be boys right men will take what they want to take. They're all down with the system They're all fine with it. They're down with that like Yeah, they're very much so down with the system. Mm-hmm. I don't know if I was the guy if I was the gales dad

I would not allow the marriage Except then he would probably take a knife to you throw at me like oh take what made it all likes And then you have to either fight him and establish dominance or not. We come from a softer Area of life. We're comedians. I don't I I do believe that you could have a drinking game competition And then see who gets the wife for the woman for the woman. I mean it's all Australia there are rules the drunkest man gets the woman I'm the drunkest and I'm still standing and then you get her, you know, I like him when he drinks a lot It's when he only drinks a little bit that I don't like him

It's when he drinks quite a bit that I really like him that would make sense So that happened in 1989 his first victims But his the first victims would not be found until 1992 when a group of Orientiers found a decaying corpse at a place called executioners drop. This is not a part of the meeting at all Oh, no these chicken bones. Oh, it's lady bones Lady, but what's an orient here? It's a map game that they play. Oh, okay Yeah, it's where they they have two places on a map and you have to go east west It's a whole thing where you have to try to find the place on the map and you only have clues

It sounds dumb Is play grand theft auto or something. It's called. Hey, Mary. You want to go play getting lost? Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, get lost in the fucking deadly desert where there's ton of scorpions and spiders and big marsupial Marsupials that will beat you to death. Oh, yeah, the very violent things and belangelo forest is the first place that had a Wallaby came out to be the first mayor of Perth. I did not know that Yeah, mayor wallaby Didn't got a vote for him or he'll punch you in your face a whole bunch of times So after they found the first, uh body

Couple days later, they found a second body 98 feet from the first The bodies were identified as carol and clark and joe and walters two british hitchhikers who had disappeared earlier that year Walters have been stabbed 35 times and clark had been shot 10 times in the head That's just way way overkill on the on the abuse of bullets. I mean 10 in the head This just also shows that he's in the middle of a rage. He has this rage against foreigners People coming into his forest that he feels that he needs to take it out on them because they don't know the real outback like he does We probably also just watched robocop and was trying to make him one. Yeah, you know Really weird thing about him though

Is that there's evidence at all these scenes that he camped out with the corpses for days at a time Yeah, they're stayed with the bodies. He definitely was using the bodies after that's what Breaks him from just spree killer to serial killer where he is. He's fucking his buddies. You think you was having sex with them Yeah, he's licking them a little bit or probably talking to him. They're like, yeah, the only one understands me dead woman So, I mean so but possibly he shot the guy in the head once Then went to sleep and the guy was dead and then he just like woke up every three or four hours and just kept that just for Yeah, I want to Gallagher him. Yeah, that's what I like to imagine. Yeah That would be yeah

I don't understand if you find one corpse you got to make at least a hundred foot radius just around Just to see if maybe there's another one That's ridiculous. So a year later, they found uh in october 1993 They found a human skull in thigh bone in a very remote section of the forest. This guy bruce prior was out exploring Found these things I don't know the name bruce. I just could not not think of cut off gene short shorts And as a matter of fact exactly what henry is wearing if you were wearing gene short shorts Yeah, yeah tiny tiny shorts a big like one of those like really thin australian cowboy hats that they have

You know just out there roo skin wrapped around my shoulders like i'm a prep school student Some people are going hunting out there or some people are going to you know scavenge for food But he's just picking dandelions names praise So they were he brought the police to the scene and they found another body there Those are the bodies of debra everest and james gibson his only two australian murders A month later, they found a skull uh in a clearing in the forest The skull was identified as Simone schmidl from regensberg germany and she was these these were actually all very

Gorgeous everyone was very like young and attractive that he got can you imagine that because bill? I mean ivan was fucking disgusting. Oh, you're thinking of bill because bill was in wolf creek two which fucking rules I've heard it's very good. I have to see it. Well clothing was found At near the body that was not Schmidels instead that belonged to anja hobgild and she was found not to You know not too far away from the first body with numerous stab wounds to the upper torso One nice thing about killing a bunch of german backpackers is you get you get all the schnitzel they were carrying with it Yeah, so that's kind of fun and you can collect all the juteeth that are dangling from their belts

That was a long time ago. Henry and I don't believe we should be victim blaming people who were murdered in the late 80s early 90s For world war two. They were not a part of the nazi regime. They were not. They are victims in this situation So near hobgild they also found her boyfriend gaboor nagabourg. Gaboor did carry some anti Semit isn't with him because he was bitter about his name. Yeah. Good boy because they kept calling him. Jaja Yeah, he's like a boy. I am not a homosexual. I am not a homosexual Uh hobgild she was the one that was killed in the most brutal fashion She was decapitated and they never found her head and nagabourg had been shot in the head nine times Now this is a killer. Yeah, that is absolutely full of rage. Yeah

Uh, and he shoots people in the head far too much. I just want to just get a conserve more and it's upsetting I just feel like it's upset nine times. He's got plenty of bullets. That's the last thing you're concerned about the bullet Yeah, I'm just with him. Is that he's not frugal enough? Well, I'm just saying It's a head. I mean how many times you gotta shoot it, but either way, I mean, you know, he wasn't rational I mean, they they told me he was good at math That's all I'm saying about the math. Okay. Well, all right. He was actually technically doing the math And he's like 10 bullets that makes for a fine brain soup for the chipmunks out here

Well and the chipmunks might have been happy. I don't know So henry mentioned earlier about all the victims most of them were found uh face down with their hands behind their back They were covered in a frame of uh sticks and firms nice little pyramid, but they also had another unique injury They had a stab wound to the upper back that severed the victim's spinal cord Which of course rendered them helpless meaning that he could have spent a lot of time Torturing these people and then apparently what he said too is that he learned that from a vietnam bet Buddy of his that they met they that was a thing that they used to do to villagers in vietnam. What a great war Wonderful war and such a a good one to fight because we have so much from it

So much from it. I mean apocalypse now is a fantastic movie. Yeah Poor middle jack and it's a great movie. Love it summer rolls. So really the only thing that came out of Yeah, was it was it martin sheen Martin yeah, martin sheen martin. She's the only thing so we got the sheen family the sheen family That's would be an omg. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. It helped us get them. And now we have two and a half men Yeah, we had it anyway before ashton kutcher went in there and ruined an amazing sitcom that charlie was starring in Another weird uh another weird detail as far as the murders go as far as the bodies go They were found with their pants buttoned, but not zipped

He wasn't taking the time. He's not a ten. He's not paying attention to detail the way we pay attention to detail this actually kind of goes with the detective zebrowski theory that he began with Gutted up squirrels inside of trees. The closest thing to that would just be a zipper undone But the button's still button. Yeah, I'm going Kind of hurts with the button. I like it when it's like a tube I want to just put my bowls in a tube. I don't need I don't need all these vagina Yeah

God that seems like an uncomfortable way place to put your penis, but I think the people I think it's because you should shove in the pants on then put in the and put in the pants on after they're dead Oh, you think so? I think so. I mean, who knows? I don't know You know as henry said earlier there is speculation that there was more than one killer involved Some people say that there could have been up to seven people involved. You mean all of his brothers and sisters? Yes, this really is the hills have eyes. There is very true. They say they're the his oldest brother rich rich malatis probably like

The number one suspect and it was like this guy that they were talking to in this documentary following the malat family and this guy was like they were like They they asked him question really all these like quotes of being like stabbing a woman It's like stabbing a loaf of bread and so they ask him he's like, so did you say? Um that stabbing a woman is like stabbing a loaf of bread and he's like I might have I might not have uh, I'll say I'll say thanks. I'll say things all day long You follow me around you'd be surprised when I say I could have said that I couldn't not have said it at all He was convinced it is kind of cheeky. Yeah moment to be cheeky be super cheeky

And they also found um possessions of the hitchhikers at his house Um and a dead woman there that he just said was a sleeping girlfriend Yeah, I don't under I mean stabbing a woman that's stabbing a loaf of bread either either they're eating A totally wrong bread. It's that whole brain bread. That's super thick bread. Yeah, it must be I mean, it's certainly not no wonder bread They say it's possible that these people are responsible for up to 37 murders Absolutely, because what it was the the they tracked it down originally from it was 230 suspected murders of bodies They found with with no killer no killer attached and then they narrowed it down to 32

Yeah, 32 after they after they cross-referenced gem memberships and uh actual like weapons registrations I will say that the australian police did a crazy good job Yeah for like even just getting him at all because the evidence that they got on him was like it was hard to get Well, I mean they stopped at his house and then they found a bunch of it Yeah, but then there was paul onions. So yes, there was paul Paul onions also sounds like a character from h&r puff. It does He sounds like a very tall man for some reason he's out though, too I think he's tiny and thin. Yeah

Paul onions Are they only calling me that because I smell like an onion. It's not a creative nickname He's got to have that richard murmura's breath. No doubt about that Well, here's where you also get the wolf creek connection because paul onions said that a man named bill Picked him up on january 25th 1990 and he pulled a gun on onions onions managed to escape flagged on a woman named joe and barry And reported the assault to local police who of course never actually caught Ivan but when Ivan saw the picture that was going out there when he heard about all these things that were going on in this area

He flew back to australia. I think he was english flew back to australia Gave the police a description of his abductor onions flew back onions flew back onions flew back. Yeah Yeah, he was in a basket of onions and he was just like it's just me name Yeah, you know, and they're like here. Well, you you'll be identified as you should be You talking pile of onions bizarre. He's like, I'm obviously a person. Yeah, but no Uh, so yeah, so onions is the one that did it dive in, huh? Yeah, onions was the one along with the girlfriend of a man that Ivan worked with yeah That's why I cut out this dude. I knew named mike carrots because I mean that he was gonna sell me down the river at any chance

Elizabeth radish we could continue on becky tomato, you know There was also there was also evidence That both Richard and Ivan had worked on a road crew Around the time an area of these murders He'd also sold a Nissan patrol four-wheel drive vehicle right after the discovery of the bodies of clark and walter He was also a constant problem with the police. Yeah, they were they were doing the whole family would just do arm robberies for fun Like they would just go out and arrest people at gunpoint like basically they left from one town to another like leaving this one Specific police jurisdiction and they had the sheriff of that police jurisdiction sent a sympathy card to the next police department

Just being like good luck with the molats. They're a bit of a ripus over there Yeah, that's quite a lull situation So they were sort of like that documentary the uh the wild and wonderful wild and yeah, except murders. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not mathematics I mean probably mathematics too. Yeah And if you want to know how badass these guys were and how much of a reputation they have I mean, let's not say badass Let's just say they were they were hardcore guys. Yeah hardcore criminals Uh, the when they finally figured out that it was Ivan molat They got 50 police officers including tactical units to surround his house and arrest the guy

We also had a cache of assault rifles and guns and he was on there. He had a compound It's a little mini Waco. Oh, yeah, it sort of reminds me of the firefight Firefly family too in the beginning of devil's rejects. Yes cops. I'll just go in there and oh my goodness and even though they found Parts of a 22 caliber rifle that was used to shoot some of the victims in the head They found clothing camera equipment and cameras belonging to several of the victims Ivan's lawyer argued that in spite of the amount of evidence there was no proof that Ivan was guilty Well, it's also kind of goes back to his original case when he was accused of raping technically accused and acquitted of raping Those two people at gunpoint when he first started was was that the he has this very prominent

Defense attorney that was secretly homosexual and he uses offense He uses defense that the two women were Lesbians and that the reason why that it was it was consensual that the rape was consensual because all lesbians Secretly want to have sex with men more than they want to have sex with women and it was the defense attorney This was the defense attorney statement and it got him off. So Ivan Malat was got let free Jesus It was like the same defense attorney is the one who represented Joseph McCarthy. Yes, the rage. You know homosexual What's interesting if I was the defense attorney

I would have said all those cameras came from gutted bears that we had gutted during the woods because everybody knows Those are just thrift stores for outback Australians. You just got a bear and see what's in there You never know Holy socket bears are being shunned from their homeland and come to Australia and take pictures of the sites You know, they're just like I just wish that I didn't have a scientist brain inside of my body And I wasn't forced to live this bear existence because all I want to see is the sights of the world I'm sorry bear So Ivan after he was sent to prison continued his fun little exploits

He wants cut off his little finger with this plastic knife and mailed the digit to the high court of appeals Which that's not gonna that's not gonna get no no no no no with a plastic knife. Oh, yeah How that's that's gotta take patience patience was that days of work? I mean, I don't really have any hobbies So I understand that Yep, he also used to swallow razor blades staples other metal objects when he was in prison That's just kind of fun. That's kind of makes him a cool guy. Yeah, and you want to talk about fun in 2011 He went on a hunger strike much like Anders Breivik went on a hunger strike in order to get himself a playstation 2 Unbelievable lost 55 pounds with hunger strike. That's a fantastic diet. That is

We have this paleo going on now and people are losing over like 15 pounds and then gaining it right back Can you imagine big dumb rural Ivan playing a playstation doesn't make any sense I like the game where you go and you hunt the girl down on the woods Did you stab her in the back and then you're right before from the front? This one's called tony hawk pro skater So actually you just kind of skate around and try to score points and grind on uh tables lunch tables I've got to say I wasn't expecting it, but this game is bitching. Oh, I don't have bad religion now

Nice little epilogue to uh this story in 2012 Ivan's great-nephew Matthew and his friend co and Klein that were both 19 They murdered this guy named David Octor Loney with an axe at Belonglo State Forest the same forest where Ivan and Barry's victims. So don't go. Don't go. Do not go to the forest But the idea is again this shows that like that it's just a pattern. They're being taught a pattern like they are no They know this is where you go to put bodies. It's been like that probably for decades And that's what they said you can't even imagine It's like 30,000 people go missing in Australia every year and it's like those forests are just full of bodies

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's just like I mean I I definitely maintain that texas has so many more Serial killers than actually get caught because there are so many places to hide bodies You just go because you're talking about how many times especially with hitchhiker murders So people are just if you already sort of off the grid is where you're really easy to fucking snatch up Putting the back of a fucking homemade rig that you've got like that 18-wheeler killer that we had Yep, there was just that. Uh, yeah, we're gonna we're definitely doing a future episode on highway killers. Oh truck it. Yeah Keep on trucking It's great. No, it's it's great. It's the 1960s. It was so groovy. Yeah, it was a different time

Uh, great. So this has been Ivan, huh? Yeah, that's Ivan and Ivan Malat We've got another backpack murderer who only killed one person But he does have a very interesting story behind him this guy named Bradley Bradley mad at his name His nickname was big Bradley. He stood he was six foot four was a big old dude They said apparently that was his whole thing is that he they thought that he would be innocent Of any crime because he kept saying he's like, I don't need a punch anybody. I'll just look at him Big Bradley Murdock. I agree. Yeah, that's a very australian thing for a man to say Uh, he supposedly murdered and I say supposedly because there is a chance that this guy could be innocent

Sure I mean, there is a chance I'm saying there is some evidence to point up a possible innocence here Including the infamous red rooster argument, but we'll get to that He supposedly killed this guy named peter falconio in july 2001. He also Supposedly assaulted his girlfriend joanny joanne lee's Falcons body was never found despite one of the most exhaustive police investigations ever seen It sounds like falconio was a statin island italian detective who just got like way off the case Just like ended up in australia. I don't know how I'm here, but I gotta say I love these brown sauce. They got on everything

Yes, those are the blooming onion patches. I see you found it So lee said that the duo were traveling at night near barrow creek on july 14th 2001 they said that they were flagged down by a guy who said that he had trouble with his car's exhaust No, they never do they never do everybody who is in australia in the outback knows that they have to have a car that works They just don't bring dead cars. Well, the big thing too is about about Bradley murdoch was the fact that he was a drug runner His car his whole truck was outfitted with a fake gas tank that was full of cocaine And he knew the backwoods of australia incredibly well, which is sort of how he got his job

Basically every time he was trying to be kept a part of society He'd like flip out and be like I need to be in the outback And he would just drive up into the outback and live in a fucking shack and drive a truck back and forth loaded with cocaine And so he was also a bit paranoid Yeah, I have a feeling he might have been using the product, huh? Yeah, might have so falconio He got out of the van to help lee said that she heard a gunshot and thought that of course thought the falconio had been shot dead She was hoping They were having a bad vacation. That was like one of those vacations. You know when you break up on a vacation

Oh, it's the worst. Yeah, it's the worst. Yeah, it's like yeah. Yeah, he wouldn't he wouldn't pack up the fucking sleep bag last night I hope he's dead So uh lee's uh, she got grabbed a hold of uh by our man She tied she had a wrist tied together. He put a sack over her head forced her into his yute She said his yute his yute his yute. Yeah, that's that's what they call That's what they call a four-wheel drive like utility vehicles in australia. They call it a yute. Yeah, like noggins Noggins is slang for feet bobkins are slang for pockets in your pants. Yeah. Yeah, and um, yeah lullies I didn't read about lullies. That means candy. So

Short for lollipop. That makes sense. None of the rest of them do the rest of it's fake Yeah, and glump glump in palms It's just they used to eat out of So, uh, she said that she escaped the yute She fled out into the brush and she said that she hid in the bushes for five hours while Uh murdoch tried to find her with his dog and of course never found her. So she escaped Well, I'll tell you that is that's a bad dog He probably just had a pulmarinian or something. Was it a maltese?

The dog wasn't he had like a cute little he had like kind of like a hound dog. I felt like Elvis Presley Oh He had a dog that was uses smelling for blood And he uh, but uh, he said that dogs were the only thing any man can trust Yeah, I suppose except not this incident because that dog fucking felt definitely Well, maybe the dog got into a stash and was just blown out of his mind and couldn't find the girl What he needed is one of those swords like like frodo had that Made good

This blade before you know, he needed one of those but for almost raped blonde women You know like a shining sword that has to be like as a woman So big bradley murdoch that would be what the one thing you needed was frodo sword big bradley murdoch So you're saying if they moved the filming of new zealand to australia Things could have been different. It would have been a different. Yeah, it would have been another movie I was also would have been he would have been hunting after Ian mckellan and and what's his name out in the forest Can you imagine that if if fucking bradley murdoch showed up into the saddle or the rings and then of course, you know Aragorn's gonna show up. He's gonna save the day

That's why you better watch you don't go to new zealand because you never know when there's gonna be hobbit or a war there It's gonna make sure you don't rape anybody I would I would agree with that war. I'd be on the side of the make-believe fictional characters that mr jr. Tolkien created So two years after that appearance murdoch was charged with rape and was found to have a possible connection to barrow creak And the nickname for rape in australia is but knocky knock But knocky you know, I don't think they take it very seriously there. It doesn't sound like they care enough I'm gonna say that no, so lees had a piece of clothing from that night

So they checked the dna and the dna of the blood on lees clothing match that of murdoch Perfect. Yeah, and then it's sealed and done. Yeah, right. So yeah, so it's done. So he's in jail now So he is in jail now. However murdoch does maintain his innocence Defense lawyers say that police procedures were not followed correctly that lees testimony was inconsistent and furthermore It was impossible for him to have committed the crime because he was nowhere near the crime at the time They said he was near a gas station that was quote-unquote near the crime, but the gas station was an hour away It was a hundred miles, but it also seems miles in australia. Do you can do that on a kangaroo's back? It seems like it seems like no no laws laws don't apply laws of like physics and things

Yeah, it's a hundred miles still. I thought everything was covered with oil. So you move super fast Yeah, but you don't get to go that and then with the sliding back and forth you actually lose time never left the country I haven't I haven't been watching world cup. So I don't really know what goes on outside of here. Yeah It's also said that lees incorrectly identified both the vehicle and the breed of dog that belonged to murdoch Solidly done. So what's your witness? So what what is an alibi? What could possibly prove that Bradley murdoch didn't do the crime? Well here is where the red rooster argument comes in. No red rooster. Explain it. Is it a restaurant? It's a restaurant. It's a KFC. It's a Australian KFC. It's a chicken place So lees said that they stopped at the red rooster restaurant. Sounds good though. Yeah, it sounds it sounds real good. Look at the order

It sounds really good. Yeah And yep murdoch said that he stopped at the same restaurant restaurant to buy chicken for himself and his dog He said first thing alice pulled into the red rooster chicken row box and nuggets for jack full chicken for the trick I will say he's treating the dog too well full as chicken. He's got I mean that dog Yeah, that dog all over the car that dog needs to be treated with more uh with more violence if you wanted to kill more women I mean, that's the thing the dog's got a full stomach full of chicken poppers. It's out there got the rumbles I can't find a woman in the woods So what murdoch said is that it's possible. He did cut himself while at the red rooster

So he said since they were there at the same time because his fingers are breaded. They were naturally breaded. Oh, he thought that they were nuggets Yeah, and it said he says that it's possible that the blood from the cut Possibly got onto lee shirt at the red rooster. So that's where he met lee. Yeah, that's where he met lee He said that he met her at the red rooster and that he was not a part of these crimes He says before after her boyfriend was murdered before before this is and then he tracked them right He said that he met her he got blood in her and then she left and that's how he was put at the scene of the crime But according to april 2006 the bulldozer reported that bradley murdoch had had to be refused to be served chicken While incarcerated during his committal and trial and trial claiming he was allergic to it

And you see so if he's allergic to fucking chicken He wanted to a chicken House Chicken how could a man who's allergic to chicken go to a place that's got chicken fucking particles Just to fly through the air. It's like having allergies and going into a beautiful, uh wheat field. You know, you wouldn't do it No, you can't do that. No, Henry the chicken was for the dog the chicken was for jack But you would still need to transfer the chicken to the dog And if he puts you everyone knows that a chicken allergy involves boils and sweats you get boils in your hands

Even just contacting chicken. I don't start to sweat profusely just being within three yards of a living or dead chicken I have never heard of a chicken allergy before and frankly. I don't believe it's true I don't think it's real. No, I don't think you can be allergic to chicken Of course, you could be you could be allergic to anything. Can you be allergic to beef? Yeah, you could be allergic to milk I'd like to see a Fucking second of evidence Saying that anyone is allergic to beef one second of it. Yeah, just come on. Come on. Show it to me later. I don't have time right now

All right, well because we've got to get to paul steven. Hey Oh my goodness. Okay, so that's it. So we're not killed one person Well, maybe but if this is a part of again the big breakdown is like that is a part of a group of people That were probably all responsible for backpacker murders that've been happening in australia Literally for for as long as there's been backpackers like it's just a part of it They're all over the place as soon as you sort of like kind of like lift the cover You see that there's like 15 guys that have been killing hitchhikers. It's not safe Go with the gun like you need at least know somebody

You know somebody who knows the area instead of just finding some random dude to take you up the mountain like Call ahead of time get a travel agent Well paul steven. Hey this guy. I believe that this guy is kind of special It's weird how he does share some things with other serial killers He kind of has the same mentality as a serial killer that kills prostitutes because he believes that they're whores because That they deserve it again when we see the same thing It's this inferior inferiority complex that these guys have yeah, but he did not kill any prostitutes His was a very crime motivated

His murders were very much motivated by criminal behavior. This was all in the 1970s. He killed seven people And between 1978 and uh, 1979 His first murder was a tats loto agency worker named eval and adams She was age 58 He said that he blamed her for the shooting because she provoked him and was quote Disobedient by resisting instead of allowing his armed robbery to quote go. It's ugly way Yeah, so he shot both of them

He shot the owner and he shot the the girl working at the place So they got they got killed for trying to be heroes, huh? Yes. Yeah. He also killed bruno singolani He was 45. He was the pizza shop operator Which is just like, you know, he can't be more more stereotypical than that. His name is bruno bruno Singliani. He's the pizza shop owner. Of course. He is. Yeah, born with a handlebar moustache He's got like mozzarella's fucking sticking out of his shoes Yeah, well the whole thing's been produced by michael bay and it's just me full of stereotypical characters He shot him in the face with a shotgun point blank. Great. Oh, yeah. Okay. Um, well, that's that's gonna ruin the pies

There's nothing Italian about that. Nope nothing at all So in 1979 he started killing associate associates of him that's of his that said that uh, he said that they knew Too much about his crime, which is so ridiculous and that's because he told them It's a conundrum. Yeah, it's a real hey I have a I have a very important secret that I have to tell you But if you tell anybody I will kill you in the fact that I tell you that I now I know that you know the secret I might have to kill you too. Do you want to hear it? Listen? Hey? Hey? I'm gonna tell you I killed the pizza shop guy. I just kill like I killed the pizza shop guy

So now you know it. So now Henry, I know that you know it. I killed the you thrilled the pizza shop guy Of course, of course because you went in and bought so many pizzas I wonder if anybody knows that I killed the pizza shop guy if they do know that I will have to kill them I did tell Henry Hey, uh, Paul, you're really talking a lot out loud in the middle of our settlers of katan game You did you did Henry So he shot Wayne Keith Smith who was 27 and he also shot his girlfriend Wayne's girlfriend shell gardener 31 And he also shot gardener's son Danny who was 10

Yes, and this guy is such a monster. He didn't really take blame for the killing of the child No, he said that it was the mother's fault Yes, because she put because she put him in a terrible situation by being a witness But I don't think the mom knew that she was about to witness a double murder. I think that she got Yeah, they all were made into witnesses immediately and then made into victims immediately I always find it's not the witness's fault because they just didn't know they don't want to be a witness I don't want I turned around if I even see the most suspicious of things I don't want to see anything. Um, and then but we have to also acknowledge that all of these details come from the fact that Paul Haig

Wrote a novel like not two years ago I forgot what's called. It was called like the city of blue Something something that it basically he wrote this novel from jail blaming all of his victims Well, this is sort of his version of the oj simpson book. Yes, I did it if I did it Except he's saying a hundred percent. I did it. I did not my fault and uh, yeah, and what's some of his rationale again? Yeah, I do kid had to be mom brought the witness and all this and he said, you know what killing kids It's against the criminal code, but she was a shitty mother. So what are the choice that I have? Uh, he said that he could have taken the child on a large trip like the movie dutch

Uh, and then you guys could have bonded together and you could have taught the child the ways of becoming a man Or like home alone one and two but actually get the child to the trip get get him reunite him I mean, you couldn't reunite him with the mom or the yeah when they kill the family gets tough He said that he consoled the boy for a little while before eventually Uh, deciding to shoot him three times in the head and he added I didn't like that kid very much Who likes a kid? But the other would he also said the same thing with Ivan molatt used to kind of do the same thing where he would He would take one

That's why they said there was also the difference between like they thought that maybe there was more than one killer Because one he would shoot in the back of the head and the one he'd stab and rape and then stab a bunch of times But the one that he would shoot in the back of the head was I guess the one he didn't want And yeah, he would put he would be like it's all right. I won't go kill you I'm gonna do it and then make them close their eyes and then he'd shoot him to shoot him in the head Which to me see I like that better. Yeah, but you're gonna get shot in the head If you if you're told to close your eyes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I'll tell you you know what? I'd never understand and this doesn't really relate to these stories although might the dig your own grave thing

You know when somebody has a gun to the back of your head and they say start digging. No You shoot me and then you dig your fat ass. I'm six foot seven. You got some digging to do. I'm not digging my own grave That's why I keep saying this. I will not be a quiet victim any colors who want to come get me You ain't gonna get an anonymous leak because I'm gonna be screaming a whole bunch and I'm gonna be thrashing I'm a thrashing. I'm gonna grab at you. I'm gonna poke at you. We're like I'm doing a tight 10. I'm gonna do my letterman set Come on. So Hague's most brutal attack was committed against his girlfriend Lisa Breerly I can't believe all these guys have girlfriends. Yeah every one of them all of them do women love a bad boy

treat a main capem cane That was I heard that in wolf creek too. That's terrified Uh, Hague he stabbed her 157 times after allowing another man to rape her at knife point He said Hague said I only intended to do 20 stab wounds. I know of course of the absolute minimum Minimum maximum, but he lost count Yeah Over and over and over and over again But this is the thing don't you realize like if you've lost count like three times you got at least 30 in her

You know what I mean? Yeah, then you can always just count the holes, you know, you can figure it out probably And he said that uh, he let uh The other guy rape his girlfriend So his dna would be connected to the crime and so the other guy would stay quiet about it Oh a flawless idea. Yeah. Oh, I mean Franklin cover up It worked for them. Yeah, this is a little bit different than that I don't think it's quite as organized and uh, you want to talk about blaming the victims He said of his murders they were in the context of the criminal world understandable and appropriate

Well, he's been in jail. He's had a lot of time to think about right And I mean, you know Again, not to victim blame because we do not victim blame But these people were close enough to a sociopath and a serial killer to get murdered by him But these these were not random backpackers. No, no, no, but this is a promise like it was again It's just weird thing. We all have fucked up friends. Like I don't have a friend No, no, not a true secret murderer not a killer. I mean, well, that's why I don't live in texas anymore Because you got away because you got away from them

Yeah, just get out of there If you got a guy who's goes by a name like you know almost like they call me dangerous dave, you know Oh, yeah, I like to shop on a knife on my boot, right? But when he was in high school That was that's gary silverman the only jewish kid we have in the class and now he's dangerous dave He's changed. Yeah, go come to new york So haig didn't kill again until 1991 although he had been in prison for quite a while He killed sex offender donald george hatherly In a jail cell the again to to the small amount of credit

I'm going to give this man. He did kill people who were in the criminal game. I don't think the other people were in the Incredible game. I think except for the 10-year-old boy except for the 10-year-old boy Which he could have stolen some candy or something. Yeah, you never know the 10-year-old boy And then of course the 10-year-old boy's mother But that's yeah, the the one kid that was good or the guy that was good friends with him I mean, you know, you know what you're getting into. Yeah, it's like when I'm hanging out with henry You know, I know that if we go out to dinner, I'm gonna eat unhealthy, you know, and I that's right. That's why you stick by my side Oh, yeah, and you all you got to do is also if like view one free drinks just find me about 245 in the morning

Because I got my card behind the bar And sometimes it's easiest throw things on there because I'll be like, yeah, it's a party It's a party. It's just me and him, you know, and then marcus shows up There's nothing better than when henry goes in an audition and doesn't nail it because we just get drunk and drunk Oh, it's wonderful. So haig's last victim how we killed him He claimed that he assisted hatherly to commit suicide by placing a noose around his neck Kicked a covered out from under him and then pushed down on his shoulders He described the killing as quote a growth experience when he said growth experience

I really hope he means emotional and not like he got hard. He means emotional. Yeah, it wasn't a physical I read that book eat pray love and I was just trying to find my own inner happiness Uh, I hate to say this paul, but eat pray love is just about eating carbs and going to india Yeah, but I couldn't eat. I can't I don't know good carbs in prison and I can't travel So today, uh, we don't have time to get into uh the fourth one that we were going to go into The next one is actually such a big one. It's the snowton murder. Oh, yeah That we're gonna do we're so we're doing a second part I honestly think like this was kind of covering sort of the backpacker murderers and sort of next next episode

We have got some grisly fucking murderers. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. Anyway, these guys that today are just hilarious hillbillies hilarious the bogans I just don't understand what people say when they say it's kind of dark humor here on the show Um, so what happened with hey still in prison now? Yeah A couple of years ago all the guys that we talked about today are still in prison still alive So iven malat. I've malat big old tall, uh, big bradley, bradley murdoch, croaky mate

Mr. Egg and you know marcus. I'm gonna give you the award for the best austrian accent of the podcast. I get yeah You're really nailed it. Thank you very much. You get the golden boomerang I'm sure all of our listeners will be sure to let me know that even though it was the best It was still still terrible. Uh, and I a general audience question is that uh, uh murder fist is going to be in the wisconsin area Uh from july 9th to the 16th, and if you want us to maybe do a show in the shabuigan area Would you come to it? All right, that is the question go to it. There it is. Yeah, yeah Email cave comedy radio at gmail.com and i'll forward on everything over to henry or just get all the fucker on facebook

Yeah, you can find me on facebook. Yeah, yeah, you can find him on facebook Speaking of facebook be sure to go to uh the last podcast facebook page and join up there We got a great little community going on and of course our live show is the fourth saturday of every month Here uh this time we got a guy coming out from south carolina to see the show Very nice. That's marcus parks on twitter. I am ben kissill on twitter, and that's henry loves you on twitter I am full of spicy lamb meat. You are now. Yeah, I went to a seshwan meal before this you did Wow Yeah, it like one o'clock in the afternoon. You bet your sweet fat life. I did were you the only one in the restaurant?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just I don't even think those places opened up until around four or four I made them open up. You made them open up. Okay. All right, everybody. We'll talk to you soon. Hail Satan. Hail gene. Hail me! And uh, uh, uh, uh, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!