Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 132: Australian Serial Killers Part 2: Essie Made Me Do It

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

We conclude our two-parter on Australian serial killers with Eric Edgar Cooke a.k.a. the Night Caller and John Wayne Glover a.k.a. the Granny Killer.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last part. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Grokey. Hey Dolly, let me gut you by your Grokey so I wanna pull him to their long like chewing gum, pulling out of a nerd's mouth. They're Dolly. Grokey. It was better before we started the episode. Let me try it again. Dolly. Hey Dolly. I am desperately trying to learn how to do this. I feel like it's going great. If it's any consolation, there's not a lot of room for Australian accents in Hollywood, so I don't think you're ever gonna be requested to pull this one off.

No, they just keep hiring Australian men to play American men. And it's only because they're stunningly handsome. No, they are dreamy. Of course, we're talking about Australian serial killers. Part number two. Very good. Very interesting. We're gonna start off by, we're gonna do a little presentation here. Henry has been working very, very hard on his Australian accent. I mean, I feel like it's sad if you tell people he's been working hard on it, because then people say, oh, that's sad. No.

But if you say, oh, he's just pulling it off. You'll see. You'll see. So I've got some slang words and terms from Australia. I'm gonna feed him to Henry, and he's gonna give us what he's been working on. Hello. My name is Grant Templeton, and I work for the literary and speachuary faculties over at Oswald University, dead in the centre of highly contemporary London, England. And I have learnt through my years of working verbally with actors, directors, chimney sweeps, garbage men, they call them bin men.

Bin men. In London, how to properly use an Australian accent. Now, many of these tips are true. All right, so now, yes, the sound I in the Australian accent actually sounds like oy. Oy. Right? Like an oil. Oil.

Right? So when you say, like, light, I, it's loy. Loys. The thing is, it's not as ridiculous as loy. It's light. Light. Right? Same thing. I feel good about that. Yeah.

All right. The sound in that or hat can cat. Not goat. That. Sounds like eh. So it's a hit. Hit. Bit.

Bit. I love your it. Loit it. Roi. Roi. Roi. Roit, mate. I like your it.

Honey, I feel like the guy that we hired to teach us how to speak Australian really only taught us how to say cat and light. And I love all you need to get around contemporary Australian is the words like, right, hat, bat, can, like, bogey, bogey. And those are all the casual tips you need to properly speak an Australian accent. So please give me any sentence you like and I'll show you exactly how it sounds. First one, as cross as a frog in a sock. Of course.

Is it rogue in a sock? It seems like you didn't take your own advice there. But I'm still playing the character. Oh. The character of Crikey Peterson. Crocodile masseuse. Oh, I see. Well, of course they're very stressed out.

They need a nice massage. It's that hard skin. Yeah. Tough to get in there. Yeah. Next up, he doesn't know Christmas from Burke Street. It wasn't no Christmas from back straight out, right, mate? It does.

It does sound like you're trying to sell somebody bad fish or something. Well, but it comes out to yes, yes. And they do say Australian does sound like the cockney accent. But we do not blame the Australians from being the progeny of cockney rapist. What we do, who we do blame is the original cockneys for being rapist. So cockneys, stop it. Leave your wickers in your dickers and let those women pass. I always said that too.

Let them pass. Your cockney scum. Well, that was a very interesting lesson. We all learned something today, I believe. Yeah. So you go home now and take those lessons and press your friends. Sound Australian. Or hopefully don't get tossed in the brig and then sent to some awful beach wasteland

where you're forced to live out your days making thatch hunts and raping your sister whose name is Gay. Well, you might be in such good training, they might confuse you for all straining and send you right there to that beautiful place. Well, guess what, man? I'll work my way to the top of the food chain because being funny counts. Well, we're starting off today with Mr. Eric Edgar Cook. Can we please pronounce it correctly? Eric Edgar Cook.

All right. I'm not sure that's properly. Approximately. They know it, Cola. Yep, he's called the Nightcaller. A full 15 to 20 years before Richard Ramirez was called the Night Stalker. There's one thing that I've noticed about these guys and a lot of these Australian serial killers, they're like these weird sideways versions of American serial killers.

Yes, I'll never drink a bottle of Merlot. That is from the movie Sideway. I've heard this joke eight times in tech messages. Yeah, multiple times. That was Paul Diomati. I will never drink a bottle of it. Merlot, that is. Boy, Thomas Aiden Jersey was just the perfect foil for him.

Yes, he really was. No, but it's true. The Nightcaller is much worse than Night Stalker, though. Well, Nightcaller is just like, it sounds like... Hey, is your refrigerator running? You better catch it. I am the Nightcaller. No, this man killed eight people.

Yes, sure. But he's terrifying. What I like about these serial killers we're covering today is that they have... I feel like the first batch we were covering were specifically like an Australian type of crime with the backpacker murders. But this is contemporary. It is an urban setting serial killers, and they're pretty fucking intense. Our first guy, he terrified Perth from 1959 to 1963. And I also got to say about Perth, it's like the Wisconsin of Australia.

So many serial killers in Perth. I've heard great things about Perth, as a matter of fact. Here, because it started off as like a beautiful sort of seaside country town that they only had to get locks because of this man. The Nightcaller actually changed the whole attitude of Perth. Well, look to who will benefit, and then you have yourself the serial killer. It's obviously the new lock company that moved the town. They have a little son they keep locked up in the basement. This Mr. Cook character, perhaps.

Well, Cook, we go through his early life a little bit. We'll see that he was born into a very unhappy, violent family. He had a father named Vivian. Oh, well, what are you doing? A boy named Sue, huh? There's a lot of men with female names out of Australia. They're all named like... Hi there, mate. My name's Samantha. Nice to meet you there, buddy. Are you unfair?

These muscles are from Reston and Kangaroo, aren't they? I'm not messing with them. Yeah, this guy, he came from an abusive family. He hits a lot of markers of serial killers. Well, the reason why he came from an abusive family, I feel like maybe it would have been normal if he didn't was born with a disgusting hair lip in Perth County. I know, the hair lip. That's something special. Yeah, he did have a pretty, pretty big hair lip.

And his father resented him. He said he was like, I was watching. He's always looking at the things stuck between his two front teeth. Because I see him all night. Yeah, for that. Well, I can all I be beautiful like the other kids. This is like, guys, I want an abomination to enter. Totally. He mumbled all the time, got bullied, like a motherfucker, constantly.

You don't know. You don't want to die. You don't want to come and I'll tell you what to do. I want to hit Henry now. Yeah, no, I mean, it's a very aggravating accent to have with a cleft lip. Yeah, because you're just going like... Can't drink a milkshake. You're supposed to go on a date. Most of my dates involve sharing a milkshake intimately. And this was in the 50s when milkshakes were the only thing we had to drink.

Oh, it was a lovely time to split a milkshake with the gal unless you start sucking too hard in the goddamn straw. Next thing you know, you're only getting quarter milkshake. You pay for the whole damn thing. She's getting all big. It's all about sacrifices, man. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yes it is. The guy also had a ton of head injuries.

He was a bit of a clumsy man. Hair lip, alcoholic father, abusive father, cleft palate, a bunch of head injuries. I think he's going to be a lawyer. That's fine. Ben, you got big lips. If you were missing a chunk of those lips and throw the weight off of your old head, you'd be going back and forth like some kind of newborn baby with the man's body. It would be disgusting. Newborn baby in the ocean, just up and down, bobbing there with the head next all week. At the age of 16, Cook worked as a hammer boy and a blacksmith.

So what may I have a job, sir? Hit your head with a hammer. Oh, your job is to make sure that none of those greedy snakes get a hold of any more hammers. This is like, will you make your snakes play with the hammers? This is like, I got time to explain Australia workplace to you. Hammer boy, that is the dumbest title I've ever heard somebody get. And in addition to that, he also signed his lunch bags Al Capone every day. Real cool cat.

I love that story about Al Capone having that surgery to fix his hair lip. Oh, I love that Al Capone story. And as if the hair lip wasn't bad enough, by the end of his tenure as hammer boy, he ended up burning his face with steam and suffered second degree burns, which made him even more grotesque. Go into the opera and just be the phantom of it. I think this guy couldn't get more deformed. He's kind of a Cobra Commander type character. He also hit a lot of other markers of serial killers. He got arrested for vandalism.

He got arrested for thievery. And he got arrested for arson. And one of the detectives that worked his case called him quote one of life's unfortunate. Yes, absolutely. Because he's got he's got that V lip and he's got a bad attitude. Again, we talked about this all time. If you have something physically wrong with you, let's say you're fat. Let's say you're sweater.

You got a little 90 feet tall. Sweat a lot. Yeah, gotta be funny. Yeah, gotta be charming. Gotta get out there and make friends. I love that the detective called him one of the unfortunate, not as victims. Yeah, that's how ugly this guy was. Like, you know, the people that he stole from there, like, he could have the boombox. I don't know.

It was like in the movie under the skin, she likes that she lets the toddler die, but she finally feels fucking any sort of pity for the guy with the ugly face. That's it under the skin reference. Yeah, it's a wonderful movie. This is apparently also what Cook also said is when he went into petty thievery, it was because he was like, you know, it's about time. I need to get on the up and up. So I better make some money.

And he literally had this whole thing about he wanted to be like Al Capone. And like, and the way he decided he wanted to be like Al Capone was taking money out of like old women's purses and setting fire to mailboxes. I remember that chapter. Al Capone had a crime empire. He was also arrested for being a peeping Tom. He did two years hard labor for stealing a car. But he wised up after he got released, got himself a pair of ladies gloves.

Well, you're not going to stop getting made fun of if you start doing it like that. Get a pair of big manly leather gloves if you want to kill people. Yeah, the hair lip, the cleft palate, the burns all over his face, but he's got those nice lady gloves. Those beautiful ladies gloves. And also, what I do appreciate is they did change the name of the crime to peeping Tom from Lucky Lou Louie. Yeah, Lucky Lou Louie.

I'm talking Edgar or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pussy peeping Peter. Pussy peeping. Pussy peeping Peter. Can I be the next hammer boy? Please leave my office. I'll bring my own hammer.

So a couple years after he was released from prison for stealing the car, about two years after that, that is when the murders began. Now, the reason why these murders were so terrifying, first of all, it went on over a span of four years. Second of all, these crimes, much like Richard Ramirez, extremely unpredictable, extremely violent, and extremely random. And again, we're going to see it in a complete parallel to Richard Ramirez, is that Perth at the time was very similar to Santa Barbara,

where Richard Ramirez was operating. It's a very safe town. People using, like, they were saying they would sleep out in the veranda. Veranda. It would beat the summer heat. Also very similar to the beginning of Richard Ramirez, is that this summer that the crime started was a sweltering summer in Perth. And so people were leaving their doors open and sleeping outside.

Yeah. And much like Richard Ramirez, he hung out a lot of times at the houses where he committed crimes. At one crime, he went and got lemonade from the fridge and sat out on the veranda and had him a nice little afternoon. If you own a home and you see somebody with a melted up face and a bunch of cleft palate, and then he's got a hair lip and he's just hanging out by the old mailbox flipping a coin,

you know what you do? Get out of here! You're going to go get out of here, kid. I'll get out of here. Yeah, don't come back. Shoot. Shoot. Shoot.

Not enough people shooting. You're going to be Al Capone? I'm Al Capone. Why don't you capone out and get out of here? Also, like Richard Ramirez, some of his victims were brutally murdered and fucked with after the fact. One of them was strangled to death with the cord from a bedside lamp, cooked in, raped the corpse, dragged it to the neighbor's lawn,

sexually penetrated it with an empty whiskey bottle on the lawn, and then left the bottle cradled in the victim's arm. It's very interesting because it shows this weird thing that makes him very similar to an American serial killer where it is about the showing of the corpse. He wanted people to see what was going on. He was making fun of the woman by putting the beer bottle, the whiskey bottle in her hands.

The whole murder process started with an overnight four-person shooting spree. What kind of gun did he use? He used a rifle, like a hunting rifle. Capone. Capone wouldn't be caught dead using a rifle. Also, Capone got other people to do his stuff. Yes, that's true. He's nowhere near Capone.

He's somewhere between Richard Ramirez and the son of Sam. The way he started was that basically people were asleep in their beds and he would come up on them while they were asleep and he'd shoot them in the side of the head. Two people died, two people lived. One was a shot, and most of them, they went to the hospital still because it was not a very powerful gun. No, a.22 is a shit gun to try to kill someone with.

Basically, after the first night, it was because I was on Australia die, which I still don't understand. I think Australia Day is a day that you could take a koala to the supermarket and you get a 50% off coupon. I'm not sure. I think so. You get a free koala with each $50 purchase. I'm trying not to be racist against Australians.

Please explain to me what Australia Day is. Is it a day that kangaroos get a present? Because you know what, we just can't be bothered to look it up. Being a kangaroo is a present in itself. I wonder if there has to be a koala attack, like somebody takes a koala into their home, like that woman took a chimp into her home, and then this koala's got to have eaten somebody's friend's face off.

They will beat the shit out of you. The whole kangaroo punch is a real thing. The kangaroo, of course. See, a koala you touch it right in the butt and it'll suck your dick. No, it'll suck your dick right in the butt. Yeah, if you touch it on the rear there, on the butt. Get yourself over to Australia if you want to meet some of the cutest, funniest little fucking flesh lights on the face of the planet.

A koala in the palm trees of Australia. Now koalas are vicious animals. They have long, sharp claws. Try to get it to suck your dick though, Ben. I will. I mean, now that I know the truth, because you told me, Henry. Yeah, some of the other victims in the Australia Day shooting, there was a couple who was wounded in a parked car.

There was a male accountant that was killed by a single shot to the head. There was an 18-year-old student who was killed, again, on the veranda. An accountant in Perth. I just feel like people bring him a bunch of money and he's like, that's money. Okay, just wanted to make sure. Oh my god, you've got money. Good to know. Thank you so much, accountant.

And he also killed a retired grocer who, you know, he shot him in the head as soon as he opened the door. Wrang the bell, the guy opened the door, and just boom, right in the head. Oh, a grocer, so you know he's a little bit slow. No, no, no, no. A grocer owns a grocery store. Oh, it's like the cart pusher. A milk carton boy, which is what they name every job for a retarded person in Australia,

is that that is for the retarded people. Milk carton boy, okay. And two of Cook's murders actually resulted in false convictions of other people. One of them, this guy named John Button, was wrongly convicted for killing Rosemary Anderson. What do you, what's your problem with John Button? I just feel bad for Button. You know, going to prison with a name like Button, not good. And another was the murder of Gillian McPherson Brewer, who was a Melbourne chocolate heiress.

And she was stabbed with a hatchet in scissors, which led to the false conviction of Daryl Beamish. But all of those last two crimes came out of after they captured him, and he basically went on very similar to like a Henry Lee Lucas, where he went on a being like, and I did that crime, and I did that crime. Yeah, that's another thing I found with every one of these serial killers. As soon as they're pressed by the police, like a little bit, they tell them everything. Well, they love it. They love it. That's their story. Every story we read was like, you know, and then the serial killer, he like took them to all the bodies,

he took them out to their family's house, told them every single thing, they'll become like friends, they'll sit around fucking sharpening boomerangs together. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Well, how they finally caught this guy is this woman named Shirley McLeod was murdered, and they found a rifle hidden in a Geraldton wax bush. Did you hear the thing where she was like, she was walking through, it's discovered by this old lady, it's called Shelton Wax, right? Yeah.

It's like, you know, I never would have ever reached over and picked some of the stinky plants of Shelton Wax, because I have a whole backyard of it. But there I did, I bent over and picked a flower, and there the rifle was. Was it true? Yeah. She bent over to pick specifically a stinky flower. It's like the Australian God told her to, so that she could find the rifle. So police, they took the rifle that was left there, returned with a similar rifle. Of course, they ridded it inoperable. They tied the rifle to the bush with fishing line.

So they basically, they attempted to catch a serial killer like they were trying to catch a kangaroo. A kangaroo or an animated Wiley coyote or a road runner. What they don't talk about in any of the things, yes, it definitely had a giant cage suspended by a vine over anything. And it just had a bunch of signs that says, don't grab the gun. Don't go into the wax books and bush and grab this gun, please. They had constructed a hide across the street, waiting for someone to return for it. They waited 17 days until Cook finally showed up. They sat and watched it for almost three weeks.

Everyone, I will say. Do you ever get the feeling that we were being punished by the commissioner? No one seems to be grabbing that dumb gun trap he set up. Now that client, we're arrows. Oh, okay. Now, boss me another gobbly do. I love these new flavored sandwich sandwich candies. Oh man, I'm so happy that candy sandwich store opened up.

They only got that one new flavor, but that is good to be stuck in a car with you. So Cook was the last person in Western Australia to be sentenced to death by hanging. He told his lawyer to not apply for any appeals because he deserved to pay for what he had done. Also, the Australian legal system is very weird about that, where they basically, what they did with him was like, they had a bunch of circumstantial evidence. They had him going for the rifle and they picked it up. They had some connection to the bullets of the rifle, but then like literally how they got them to confess is that the police officer sat across from him was like, he's like,

Hey, Edgar, let's just face it. All right, buddy, you're going to hang, no matter what, because we're going to make you hang. All right, you might as well hang with a completely clean conscience. And he's like, oh, I did it. He jumped right into it and then told him everything. I cannot believe they just tied a string to a gun, put it in a bush and had the guy go grab it. And then why didn't he just let go with a gun? No, no, no, no, no, but then he doesn't get trapped.

It's like they're big bass fishing, but for a big dummy in Australia. This is how you catch an idiot and they got them. 135 pound fucking cleft palate lady glove wearing sociopath. But strangely, we got to do this. We should just go around put random things in bushes, tie strings to them and see who can't get human fishing. Only one way. This is the strange thing is it despite him having a wife and seven children by the age of 33. This woman look like she I don't describe it.

She looked like you remember Sauron's messenger in Lord of the Rings. Yeah, she's all teeth. Yeah. Well, she can't. Oh, I don't know. It would be she should be all lips. You know, it's hard to find love in this world. You know, if you can be Edgar Cook and still find love in this lot, you know what I mean?

I would argue it wasn't really a loving house. Who knows? It could have been like sleeveless in Seattle. I don't know. We weren't there. Despite him having a large family, only one woman kept vigil outside of free mental prison on the morning of his execution in October 1964. Less than a year after he was caught. The big serial killer creature. Nobody came to mourn his death. Well, he also said that part of it was just to sort of mourn the ending of the time period where they were having death penalties for closure and all that stuff. So they don't have any, no more death penalty in Australia, huh? No, not in Western Australia. I don't know about Eastern Australia, but I know they don't do it in Western Australia because all the stuff we're working on right now.

Western Australia. Western Australia. Eastern Australia is a beautiful country full of snakes. I don't know. I don't know. Again, I've never even seen a picture of Australia. I assume that there are giant castles, right? And isn't there a big, there's a big spire with like a flaming eye on it and everyone says there's going to be like a thing that we're all leading up to.

And I was told by this fucking wizard dude who showed up and he said, I got this thing and I'm supposed to go down there and there's like a big volcano. I'm supposed to throw this ring in there. I was like, but I'm about, I got work to do. I'm trying to be on TV and he says like, no, no, no, no, keep it secret, keep it safe. And then I just gave the ring to this guy that I met. It was wearing this sort of cloak type thing. I couldn't see his face. It kind of smelled weird.

And I got this sword to kind of gloat around him when he came in and I gave him the ring and he just like, so I fucking dodged that fucking bullet. I did not know that. Yeah, that's Australia though. Wow. That is great. Well, Cook, the last man to be hanged in Western Australia was buried above the last woman to be hung in Australia. Her name was Martha Rindell. This guy can't avoid pussy. Jesus.

Her name was Martha Rindell and she was sentenced to death in 1909 for killing three children by swabbing their throats with hydrochloric acid. We caught her by tying a string to a child, putting that child into a bush. She went for the kid and we found her 23 days later. Alright, so that is, that's Edgar Cook. Now we're going to move on to... A kills total with Mr. Cook. A kills total, 22 assaults. Like we didn't even go through all of the attempted murders.

Because that was the other thing too. Did you read about the hit and run killings? While he was driving back and forth between shooting people and then stabbing that woman and then strangling another woman. Because these were all like various nights of spree killings. He was also running women down in the street with his car. Like, can you imagine? He's literally not only leaving a scene of a crime, but you know he's driving on the street like going like, Ah! Yes, yes, Yes, yes, lose the pizza's on everybody now, it's me, it's Domino's Colin, Oh 30 minutes of your pie is great.

It's supposed to be fun when your whole life is like grand theft auto. I know that's what you did. It seemed like yeah, he lived the real life version of it. So our next guy, Mr. John Wayne Glover, the granny killer. Oh. This guy kills, killed six elderly women in Sydney in 1989 1990 over a 14 month period and I'm never again the fact that you know he's got shares a name with one of our

favorite of favorites mr. John Wayne Glover you know he's a man man yeah but I'm saying like oh initials he shares yeah he's a John Wayne G John Wayne G and he is he is a man's man and he you know he loves the lady except for his mother-in-law Essie yeah he loves being incapacitated ladies he loves the the shufflers you know the lady a guilt kill a guilt grandmother I'd like to kill and he certainly did a lot of that I have a grandmother I'd like to kill no you have a nice loving I don't you know I don't though no she's a monster so you want to stick this guy in your grandmother yeah it's a little bit of

background also just around your grandmother we're gonna see a lot of similarities between him and the Boston Strangler over to salvo which we're gonna do probably in a whole big hitters episode yeah which was an insatiable sex maniac who loved to kill the old women because they easy so far though I'm going to say night collar versus night stalker I'm given into the stalker yeah well what I do like about the night caller is that he changed Perth yeah I mean like he basically showed a being like this is what happens we don't lock your doors yes which is unfortunate but also you

know if you got to face reality at some point eventually I love a good locked door yeah oh I love the door locked yeah I like I like two locks you know when I'm alone in the house and I'm going to the bathroom I still locked the bathroom door I like all doors locked what I do every night as you know I'm a little tired I like to leave the door kind of open right the doors open no I might get a fucking bow and arrow I have this combat you have a bow and arrow right and I sit in the living room on on my vibrating massage chair that I have from 1997 man that's just a child stuck in a chair and you just put leather over a

boy in town grip like calves Brian or you're never getting okay so yeah this guy John Wayne Glover was not Australian he was actually British he grew up in Wolverhampton it's alright there's been a long history of shipping British criminals oh yeah absolutely that's where you put them this also took place in Sydney so this is our big city this is a good big city killer yeah yeah absolutely he immigrated to Australia in 56 or 57 first lived in Melbourne always had big problems with older women in his life his mother whoo hey did not like his mother Frida he resented her because after she left her father she just kept

going from man to man to man to man so I mean not there's nothing wrong with that with a lady having a good time yeah but mr. Glover did not enjoy that and the older woman in particular that he had a problem with was his mother-in-law esse who he came into contact with after he married his wife whose name was it was gay rolls gay rolls originally it was changed from the Native American Louie Anderson's side meet Gary gay rolls but gay rolls but I also do love about Australian ladies maybe it just seems maybe they're just more understanding and sweet and kind I don't think so I think that's the I think

they're sweeter because gay rolls came out and said afterwards who were the crime she's just like she's like you know I still loved him even though he was a vaping Tom and an arsonist and a thief before I met him but I thought he was not like they're all fine with them every one of these men in Australia have a criminal history well seem to have a wife I mean this I just feel like if you're traveling into another country trying to become a citizen of that country does someone before you become a citizen should ask why what are you doing here be like I'm here to kill all your grandmothers they say oh but maybe

you want to be doing something different I'm here to real estate okay come in come in thank you for at least trying to lie to us very nice so this guy he was in a prime position to commit these crimes because all throughout the 80s he was a volunteer at the senior citizen society and much like many serial killers he was considered trustworthy he was considered friendly and a valued member of the community also works for 4 and 20 pie company another interesting connection to 4 and 20 meat pie company different representative so he would show up to nursing homes and apartment complex complexes to sell them their

grimy meat pies right and he also had a way with old women yeah he was building his fucking toolkit yeah because believe me getting charming an old woman takes some time because the first thing you got to do is get a good fucking grip on her shoulder that's how you really how you charm an old woman you grab by the shoulders and be like come with me you know that's and they carry you know no it doesn't mean that was charming no what you do is you go good come come come come come come come because it hypnotizes them then you put a bag over their head right you get them in the back of your car and then you go

through their person shit yeah and then you pull them out of the car and you tell them that they went to the grocery store and hand them an apple oh it was just very expensive they just didn't know I usually just ask them you know how your grandkids the 50s those sounded like fun tell me about them they don't like their grandkids grand don't grandparents don't care to talk about their grandkids they all hate their grandkids they don't like the music they listen to or any of the things they watch on TV that's what I've learned from grandparents so they caught one guy the cops used a string on a gun put that in

a bush and then this guy just did it with a bunch of meat pies huh mm-hmm that's yeah it's simple it's a luring type of society very easy it seems like so a Glover's mother she moved to Australia in 1976 she died of breast cancer in 1989 and right after like a month six so he had to live with her for 13 more years he left the entire country of England to get away from her and she followed him to Australia also he used a little bit of sleight of hand he put the breast cancer in there yeah slipped it right in put it into a meat pie had her eat a whole bunch of it yep and right after she died of breast cancer just a

few months later that's when now there's no proof whatsoever that Glover committed any sort of murder before 1989 when he was at the age of 56 yeah very hush hush he had been married for 20 years he had kids this wife actually had no knowledge of his previous very include a very similar to again John Wayne Gacy where he was a man of many secrets like he obviously has been a hargent he's something there he must have done something in between all of this yes I believe that he did and they even said that after the fact they're like we can imagine there are other elderly related crimes that he must have

been connected to yeah at the end of the day if you kill somebody who's 86 it's so easy for offered and we know the police officers if they can get away with doing nothing they will if an 86 year old chick dies they're like well do you know like you don't like that you don't gasoline all over a nine-year-old woman and set her on fire you know how often that's you spontaneous combustion yeah people you know oh man you want to talk about not just cops fucking up but neighbors fucking up as well we're gonna see this over and over again but let's start with his first victim who did he did not end up murdering 84 year old

Margaret Todd Hunter she was walking home Todd Hunter walked up to her punch her in the face stole $209 from her purse and then went to the Mossman RSL Club which the RSL Club is the Australian version of the VFW one thing will learn that is his pattern over and over again and it will say he consistently robs the wealthiest of the grandmother's 209 bucks I mean this is no joke 1990 this is also good money time this is the first time and then a lot of it he see he would take like six bucks it would take whatever they had you know yeah well I mean that's all you can take next up his first oh yeah that's

all you got that's it but but any other fingers yeah well no one wants to buy old lady fingers fingers I'm saying you could cut off some of her fingers and go like hey you won't see something funny and then let's hang out your fly you know you're like what I got what I got you know it's Australian print companies have been using old women fingers as fake dicks for a long time yeah that is true I've heard about that practical joke weird thing was that he always took the money but there was one time I think one of the things that sort of broke the case eventually that they thought they had

a serial killer on the hands is that he took the money in one case but left the woman's diamond ring behind yes I want to do with a diamond I will actually say that the police did as good a job as they could have yeah we're problems with the citizenry but they were they actually jumped on the idea of him being a serial killer very quick yeah I mean after the third one it was after the third one yeah how many grandmothers just get strangled at a random I mean I mean we let BTK go for a long fucking time yeah we let a lot of them go for a long time they were better than the hot dog squad which is good we're just not saying that

much oh man so how would detective popcorn handle this case so many delicious Colonel I wish that wait a second what is this gooey brown you got on me mmm did you might be nothing delicious about that mmm I don't like being in Australia ain't nothing delicious here you got peppered flavored cola oh disappointed detective popcorn it's all the way from America yeah detective popcorn if you can just tell us one thing about the first victim here we'll give you some twizzlers and you can be yeah she was old she looked like a bunch of jerky sweet savory jerky with the teriyaki tang anything else maybe the corn's next to the jerky leave it inside

the plastic bag hmm get spicy over time can you get him back to America plays yeah the this detective exchange program is not working so let's get a detective frog muncher back I'm not sure of either of them are detectives so the first victim Gwendolyn and Mitchell Hill Glover saw her walking down the street and Glover was a very opportunistic random type killer he just the old ladies walking home he'd follow him home his way everywhere it's like they want me to kill him his weapon of choice was the hammer as she went to open her door he hit her with a hammer on the back of the head and just kept

hitting her in the head over and over again and then started striking the body breaking a whole bunch of ribs took a hundred dollars from her purse and she was found alive by two schoolboys but unfortunately and they just skateboard around her and over and over again like they're fucking grinded on her stuff yeah it was 1989 the senses were getting pretty big kind of a cool time yeah she died pretty much as soon as the police and ambulance arrived but there was no forensic evidence for good intention neighbors who thought that she had merely fallen fell ignoring the multiple head wounds and broken ribs

washed down the crime scene always washing it down oh no somebody someone dropped some jelly over here I hope nobody's picnic was ruined I better go get the over there to the wash the jelly wash the jelly just wasn't a lot to do this bit of china plain this jelly I wonder why someone wants to drop their breakfast ish not a lot to do in Australia so you see an opportunity to clean something up you take it excited next victim lady when Freda Ashton interesting name a lot of interesting names very interesting names I Glover followed her home attacked her with his hammer he said that she actually almost

overpowered him until he fell on top of her grabbed her by the hair and started hitting her head on the pavement over and over and over again and this is when he starts his signature takes off the pantyhose wraps him around her neck and strangles her so hard that the pantyhose actually cut the skin yeah there's no way that people in the neighborhood looked at her and thought that was a possible accidental death this one they did they suddenly they thought this is probably a serial killer they thought it was very good except for the one detective it's like well maybe she was putting on a skull that was the other time but I'm

appeal and it's like get out of here detective rumple still skin it's unfortunate you know and this is also when he begins staging bodies and this I think this does point towards him possibly committing murders before these because this is only his second murder and he's already escalated to the point where he's got a signature and he's staging bodies in a certain way he was also ready to go yeah he's been thinking about this crime for a long time they said to us the way that he late he left the pantyhose like on her like tied up and then put her shoes nicely together and put her cane extra

shoes it's very well you know we find out just an old man yeah yeah yeah so he took a hundred dollars out of reports again head to the Mossman RSL to get drunk at the VFW again and then when he heard sirens going by he said boy I hope that's not another mug and gun wrong just like Ed Gein like when Mary Hogan went went missing yeah and they're like man what happened to Mary Mary Hogan he's like I got her bag in my place he's just hanging out you're such a card and come over and look at that show if they're not a comedian and they keep on making jokes about how they have a body

or maybe they know something there's something that somebody shouldn't know about a crime they're the killer but the problem is also what if they should be getting into comedy and this is the first time they're breaking through and be like hey maybe I can make everybody laugh yeah maybe they're taking your advice Henry yeah time to make them laugh make them laugh and I'm sure he did very well in that VFW help I'm sure he laughed and they were I'm sure he was great yeah it's at this time the Glover after the three murders he takes a break for murder but again they wash down the crime scene yeah yes no no no this was

in a bin area they call it bin which is a girl I can and they walk you there was she was left behind these this garbage cans in this apartment complex and they didn't get to that part of it the outside was washed which was a problem but you just these mates are on it they're on it it's very clean the city so he takes a break from murder for a while to really focus on his sexual assault and nursing homes game of course that's like Michael Jordan getting into the fadeaway when he can't jump from the free throw line anymore yeah we're going into baseball after he had a little bit bored with that game of basketball that's right

in June 1989 he molested 77-year-old Marjorie Mosley the victim said that a man had put his hand under her now in nightgown but of course she couldn't remember what he looked like a man kind I believe it was a man he looked as if he was a big candy corn he shot a tentacle of seaweed a tentacled candy corn put his fingers up and up into my into my muggy which is Australian for vagina well we're also Australian so you don't need to tell us that muggy someone get her some lunch yeah I'm sure you would a couple weeks later he went to a different nursing home let to the dress of an elderly patient and fondled her

but I mean if I was an old lady I'd be like keep them coming boys I know well yeah but he would not enjoy you you want it too bad he immediately went to the next room about tying a string to a to an elderly lady and put her in a bush they tried to do that what I'll miss is that every time they tie this drink to the old lady she was like oh what a lovely sash thank you so much oh now I can go to the shut up to the Florence Henderson dance in style hmm so right up to this he immediately goes to the next room fondles the breasts of another old lady she cries out and Glover they don't catch him red-handed he was just

tuning her groggies yeah they question them and they's like I get out of here John you're great this is you just get it get out because he was well-known in a bunch of these retirement communities for years the pie man I mean and so if you're really elderly it's sort of like sure detect the man with the scars on a face the pie man oh the pie man the pie man the pie man did that yeah the pie man he got blueberries at his shoes and he so he was made of pie he was a big old pie and so a pie molested you he gave me an orgasm get her some lunch I'd like lunch I'm sure you would he waits a few months he waits until October from

June when he sexually assaults a blind woman yeah I think the blind woman or the next one is pretty bad it's like he lived out the music video to Lionel Richie's hello the next one's pretty bad because he attacked 86 year old widow Doris Cox ramming her face into a brick wall she described she survived the assault yeah but the reason why she couldn't really give any descriptions is because she had severe dementia yeah and she was talking about like Roger Rabbit was coming over there and he was you know he told her that there was diamonds in her face you know and like that's a problem if you're gonna get

molested I guess you might as well have dementia you know I'm doing it if I'm gonna have to get like violently assaulted do it when I don't even do it when I think that everything was 1992 I think Bill Clinton's got a chance to be elected you know then you just punch me a whole bunch of times I can't wait to I have dementia because then I'll just be like yeah Robin tell it's big Wendy well this woman she said the woman with dementia the best you could do as far as the description goes she said it was possibly a teenager or a skateboarder always blaming the skateboard always making a racket with their skateboards

into someone with dementia there's very loud yeah that's how old this woman was I mean do if we said how old this guy is he was 86 and he is he's in his 56 that's how old she was that she was anything below 70 which is like he's a skateboarder he's a teenage skateboarder I'm 63 years old and once again the scene of the crime was washed down by neighbors before investigators got to clean it up because you know you got to be keeping appearances and again people are also just there was a jelly ration on because all of the jelly factories had in fires for many years I heard about that and so they had to save as much jelly as

they could oh yeah absolutely God knows when the jelly burned jelly burned down oh well the jelly was burning sad that great time for a great song good song beautiful smells good time for music and good time for a role yeah yeah it's from the Australian group the band this next his next encounter does not end in a murder this one's kind of weird he goes when ends in love well you know he re he approaches Dorothy Binky she's a 78 he engaged during conversation offered to carry your groceries home for she invited him in for a cup of tea he declined the tea said you know what I

got to get out of here I think it was because she offered in the tea that he did not kill her because he walked outside and immediately murdered Margaret Pahood ah well they always thought about Margaret never offer in tea always offer tea always offer tea we've learned from this episode if anybody comes in your house to kill you offer some tea offers sometimes they won't kill you well depending on the culture though in America offer a Coca-Cola or a cup of coffee now you want a but heavy a you want a bud heavy heavy yeah so he beats her in the head with a blunt instrument she collapse he

hits her again he ranges once again arranges the clothes the shoes and the walking stick nobody saw the attack but a few minutes later young school girl who she said looked like a just a pile of clothes dumped in the dumped on the street but isn't that how they see all elderly women in Australia just a pile of clothes with a cane and neighbors yet again wash down the crime scene that it might show nobody I will look someone spilled some dye I mean I know for a fact it's blood yeah but we have to just like it's another person yeah so what did they do I'd imagine they'd have to drag either they either drag the body

out of the way and then washed it down or they just washed it down around I imagine they just washed it down around her just like they just fucking like put their thumb on the hose yeah and it's sprayed all right she had to get gotten damp at the very least no it just as guilty as he was it is not dissimilar dissimilar to Queens New York water in their sidewalk yeah but also like to which which interesting is the police force of this time we're frantically working to put together this yeah but everyone kept on a race in the crime scene yes but they were doing everything so what they did was they

found one stray fingerprint so they basically went through the entire town and got everyone to come in put their fingerprints in to like and of course they did a machine they cut off everybody's finger and then they looked at all the fingers but then they're like I don't remember who finger whose finger just was next victim was all of Cleveland she they thought that it was a heavy fall but the crime scene was again washed down next up was Muriel Falconer she was as 93 years old the sound like kind of like stripper names all of Cleveland and Muriel Falconer back in the day you have no idea how

pretty they were and what they were up to Muriel Falconer finally they had a scene she was 93 she was 93 yeah they had the scene where they found the fingerprint they found bloody shoe prints and a neighbor finally saw a suspect she described him as middle-aged gray-haired and portly it wasn't a teenager on a skateboard is not killing the first victim there were several gray hairs that were found on her yeah but she be they were like we don't know if she's just talking on her own I mean she was getting right that was the craziest thing about it the only thing that they had the only thing that Harry

was useful for back then was just to see what color somebody's hair was like such a but then all but I do like is on in the dock I watched they described instead of saying port instead of saying portly they described looking like a doctor my question is is that is that an Australian thing that all doctors are fat I'm asking our listeners if they do you believe when you get now when someone says oh he's a doctor do you imagine a fat man I am not going to a doctor who's skinny I hate it skinny absolutely why I like a big fat chain smoking dog yeah look at it me outside of a fucking parking lot of a burger

kid that's why I want to go to colonial themed hospitals you've got Rick it's and thank you for telling me so the cops aren't on Glover just yet for the murders but they are on him for the sexual assaults he starts hearing that the cops are asking questions about him so the cops go to Glover's door say hey we want to talk this guy's a person of interest and his wife informs him that he has attempted suicide by overdose the cops go to see Glover and the staff had of the police a suicide note that was written by him that was written on 4 and 20 pies business paper and had a bunch of weird felt like these weird

fucking sayings it just said no more grannies grannies S.C. made me do it S.C. started it yeah he was his mother-in-law don't use the company stationary to express your hatred of grannies yeah I mean that's a problem is that 4 and 20 pies company it's gonna have to do some pretty serious oh yeah that really hurt the meat pie and business hashtag we love grannies we love grannies gilf we love grannies we're not trying to kill the grannies we just want to meet our pies you know now celebrity apologist Gilbert Godfrey yeah and they also they took a photo Glover in the hospital as well and amazingly

enough even though there were 70 people on the task force trying to find the granny killer and there were grannies explicitly mentioned in this suicide note with by this guy that was connected with sexual assaults in nursing homes it took him two weeks to pass that note on to investigate but also the problem was Tuesday was all circumstantial evidence so it's like they were saying they had no evidence they had no evidence and they just knew that the first cluster basically they were noticing the crimes were happening in a circle like their first cluster all around this one area one and then what they basically they

had to tail him they were basically once this came out they had to tail him so you started following him and they're like oh he works for this pie company oh he's going all the fucking buildings where all the grandmas live this guy should have been caught a long time ago and he knew that he was being followed to he'd drive the wrong way down one-way streets he circle blocks multiple times a lot like Gacy you know trying to get rid of his tail but you know the tail really didn't do a hell of a whole lot of fucking good because on March 19 1990 Glover had his last victim Joan Sinclair she was a 60-year-old divorce

say at this point Sinclair I mean Glover he was on constant surveillance he showed up at Sinclair's house at 10 a.m. should we arrest him now let's see no if he kills literally yeah their plan was they were like we were gonna let him we're gonna watch him stalk a victim we're gonna watch him select a victim we're gonna watch him groom a victim and then we're gonna try and stop him right before he commits a crime and that is that is there that was their strategy yeah they wait and it's not good cops no bad cops it's 10 a.m. by 1 p.m. there's no sign of movement they became concerned at 5 p.m. no yeah and got

finally got permission to enter the house at 6 p.m. so they knocked on the front door their entire excuse is like we're gonna go check on Balkan dogs and there's no answer and of course they look into the look in the window and they see a hammer lying in a pool of dried blood because he killed her so long ago long ago the blood dried oh and so they go inside and they find Sinclair's where is he they found her battered head wrapped in a bundle of blood soaked towel she was naked from the waist down her pantyhose was tined around her neck her genitals were damaged by how that happened all day lovers said that he

didn't rape her because supposedly Glover was impotent what he the reason why he was using a pantyhose was just to kill yeah just to kill him and he also said that you just throw them off the trail a little bit yeah like as he knew that that would kind of put him in a different direction it's one of the things that was that completely threw out his insanity defense was the difference between like a serial killers when they were first kind of popping up in the 60s and 70s and now this is a later serial killer so these serial killers as they go have more knowledge over what police look for when they're looking

for serial killers absolutely you know I mean the insanity defense he was definitely crazy meat pie guy yeah hey just hate because that's personality disorder yeah personality so they searched the house for Glover and they find him in the bathtub with his wrist slashed unconscious but they were able to save him yeah the only person they were able to save huh that's nice and he said that he murdered Sinclair and said that they'd actually been having a relationship that's what I was quite a while because she was 60 he was 56 that is another realm of possibility there no not at all like I mean yeah they were

very close in age so yep that was his that was his last victim he rolled the body up into a mat wrapped four towels around her head dragged her body across the room ran the bath swallowed a handful of Valium slashes left wrist laying the tub to die the cops go in they find them they arrest him and the trial began now there's a what I find interesting too is that he again confessed to everything and the just possibly oh yes it's possible that he did not confess to everything because the last visitor that he had in prison he handed him this weird cryptic note that had a sketch of a park there were two

pine trees and in the middle of the right pine tree the number nine had been written number nine number nine number nine number nine number nine number nine number said that it's either the total number of murders that he actually did although he was only convicted for sex or it could also be the number of unsolved murders committed by Glover or it could just be like if you turn it upside down as a six then you turn the other way it's a nine and it's like a sexual funny little joke that's not a number at all I just did a weird little it's kind of like a tree formation oh you're just a bad artist I'm I just tried

to draw I believe the rest myself grandma killer meat pie deliverer was probably a bad artist another one of his defenses during his trial was that he had a big problem with slot machines yeah he was just trying to steal money to get that money for slots but he went under the VFW every time well they got slots the VFW boom that's also he is a politician again like John Wayne Gase that actually makes sense who likes to play slot machines elderly women who was always at the VFW elderly women playing the slot machine he wanted to play with the money that they had but then he said but and then in one of his

last confessions is like if you notice every one of these old ladies looks like my mother-in-law can you imagine well they all start to look the same at some point yeah I mean aren't they all just kind of turned to sort of a begotas out there why are we distinguishing everyone ever as soon as you get old everyone just looks the same we're gonna look the same yeah everyone oh yeah always be taller probably hunchbacked by then yeah you'll be bowed over and I'll be wearing my exoskeleton because of my many riches and I'll be all six foot seven and I'll be jumping over buildings and I'll be before all that

happens let me live my future oh you don't get one I'll be in my cabin on the hill by then I may young come visit me anytime you want you can be sure yeah hey hey hey old Henry can we go see old Marcus at the cabin on the hill that we're gonna bed and we'll use my rocket chance yeah I want some bear let's go back you will use my rocket chair all right see you later oh my goodness I feel like we didn't even get the snow town now yeah we don't have to do it snowing yeah but it's the most it's the most well-known yeah and you got you guys know so you've seen the snow and murders you've seen the movie and it's you know

it's an interesting case yes no it's like down to nabby yeah like it was called snow town it would be in the nightmare before Christmas yeah it's not mad as yeah how I see it's it's not great so we'll cover the snow and murders even put it into a sort of thing of you know homosexual family murders yeah yeah we'll do a whole series on homosexual family murders we I mean we could gather with your family of course I mean there are there's definitely there's a room member of the family the family was oh yeah the family murdered homosexual boys we could do a whole episode on people murdering

homosexuals but that could also be a two-part it seems that's intense that's really that's a really sad and we have to do Hitler on that one yeah that's gonna be well it's just a one-parter right hello we'll be covered in our gypsy killing so yeah please tell us where we were right and wrong about Australian facts yeah you know where we were right yeah that's right and that's Marcus Parks on Twitter I'm Ben kiss on Twitter that's Henry loves you on Twitter thank you Australia yeah everything that you've given yeah Australia beautiful women nice hard hard men crooked teeth yeah teeth live smiles like ceiling fans they

make up for it though with their big chiseled chests and biceps and their overall ability to hold you down and don't forget we don't forget we have our live show every month here at the creek in the cave it's the fourth Saturday of every single month starts at 10 p.m. 1093 Jackson Avenue in Queens off of the G and the 7 train but be sure to check to make sure that the 7 trains running that weekend right yeah then you just take the e-train take the e-train yeah you take the e-train and next week unfortunately we're taking next week off I'm going on vacation Henry's going to Wisconsin yes so yes we'll be in Wisconsin shaboy can

having a good time and so next week if you're missing the episode just roll up a fucking salami log a fucking full of sweet sweet oregano how and fucking pipe it down your throat and go to sleep just find something else to do here in New York alone so come and visit me you won't be alone I'm always alone Marcus because that's where I like to be like a cactus oh he's covered in points of the outside but oh machine milk because of his fucking guts and his blood thank you I'd have him hail Satan hail yourselves I'll gain I'll me I'm gonna go to the oscillations a and on joy stuff yeah and do the side tunes thing yeah yeah

I'd leave a review of these shows there are certain shows that are just terrible and they're currently above us yeah so we can't have that happen no and I'm infuriated yes I am you mildly annoyed a mildly annoyed Marcus Park says no what no way for Marcus to live so help him out would you go back