Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 135: Ted Kaczynski Part 1: I Will Have My Revenge!

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

The Heavy Hitters series continues with Ted Kaczynski AKA the Unabomber! In this first part we cover his humble beginnings as a nerd at Harvard where his mind was broken by a psychological experiment to his first headline making bomb on American Airlines Flight 444.

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Because his body sweat at some point Something's got to happen. I don't gotta come out. I don't know um Um, we recorded welcome to the show everyone. That's Marcus Barks. I'm Ben Kissel. We're grumpy Who are you? My name is this be Henry. I'm Henry Zabraus. Okay. Thank you. It's just good to be back in the studio Yeah, I'm in New York for approximately 36 hours. That's great. Has New York driven you mad? No It's just you have to I'm leaving town for four months as you know a show that I Uh did a pilot for called a to z on on Thursday nights at NBC is now going to be filming in Los Angeles So if you're in Los Angeles, please um

Try not to be too weird if you're if you're cute, you know a nice funny Talk to me, you know comp you're telling your fans how to be And then if they live up to your standard then they can approach you. Yes, they come help help me move around I don't have a place to stay. I'm living in my car. It's gonna be interesting time Seems like you kind of flipped it there You seem to be the one in need. I need help. Yeah Of course, if you are in the Los Angeles area, make sure to swing by and say hail satan to mr. Henry Zabraus You make him feel right at home. Please

Today we're doing a very special subject by the way. Absolutely. What a fucking nerd It is the next line of our in our big hitter series. That's right before uh before there was uh, what's chris hardwick Making nerds cool and badass. There was a man. He went by the nickname unabomber and his birth name Johnny boy kazinsky head Johnny boy kazinsky. That's who we're talking about today and the subject could not be More fascinating. I could never I have never heard about a person in which the term smells like old milk Is used as often as as about Ted kazinsky. Yeah, yeah He's I would say of all of the big hitters. He's the smelliest. Well, he's the most isolated. That's for certain

Well, he wasn't even that isolated. No, he wasn't that isolated. You could hear he was isolated traffic from his front door An ice cream truck. What does that mean? An ice cream truck serviced his house Shores on a newspaper route. If you're on a route of any sort Yeah, you're not an isolated cat isolation is a frame of mind It was for him anyway Yes I don't think that he felt as if he was relating to humanity on a daily basis But I will say we'll go to this is just part one of this episode

We're going to really go up to the christening of the unabomber. Yeah, so there are many points in which I agree Sort of with oh wait. Hold on. Hold on. She tread lightly I'm just terrorist Henry's a browse. Hey, I'm with Henry on this man. You're out voted two two to one. You know what? I am just fine with that. We got all these kids listen kids these days They're got their bebop and iPhones and their angry birds and everybody's out there just you know, they're reading their electric newspapers And they're losing sight of what's important Which is shitting in a bucket and not washing yourself in a cabin in montana Oh, that is important. It is important. Well for those of you who don't know tech Kaczynski was a male bomber that operated between

1978 and 1995 he killed three people An injured 23 others In 16 separate incidents and inspired jealousy in mailmen all over the country. Yeah, he took my idea God, God, God Kaczynski. I was gonna do mine in the shape of a big middle finger and they call you they call me the fuck you murderer 78 to 95 what a run 95 I mean one of the longest runs and uh, if it wasn't for the person who eventually turned him in I don't think he would have ever gotten caught if he had

Brady he was sold out by his brother and his brother eventually turned him in Uh, but I think if his brother hadn't arrived at him out, I think the unabomber would be another zodiac Yes, we never would have known who this guy was No, because he probably would have tripped and fell trying to empty his dookie bucket out of the swamp over there And then fall face first into a thing and then you know be dead and then they would just find a skeleton How Ted died now he had a piece of dookie lodged right up his nostril It gave him head fever Yeah, oh, we died a head fever boiled his fucking brains in his sleep. Yeah, it was a good guy except he killed all the stages

What was that last part? Hey, he's a good guy. Okay. He used to come around every once in a while by pipes and nails. Good guy Good guy. That Ted Kaczynski. He must have a real mansion up there in the woods all the nails that he's buying Nails of pipes. He's some kind of he's some kind of creative plumber. I don't know. I gotta tell you one thing. He's a good guy So do we want to get into the backstory of mr. Yeah, let's get in the backstory of him. He was born in 1942 in Illinois. Uh, which is This was a fairly good time to be born. Yeah, it was actually pretty great You know, he went to go just gonna miss out on Vietnam in the 70s, you know, until he polish man

Oh And nothing is better than a good strong polish man. Yeah, give it up for the kaczynski's out there that aren't bombers I don't know if he was trying to be a bomber. I think he was just trying to deliver Steel pies to people and he didn't know how things work. He must have got the oldest recipe for steel pie. Yeah Well, like a lot of serial killers the man was very isolated in fact He had a young he had a childhood illness like a lot of these guys do And nine months of age Every time I watch those leukemia videos with all the kids suffering future serial killers

Don't save them. Don't save them. There's a lot of times those kids don't even make it past nine So, no, but I was watching an interview with Ted Kaczynski's mother and she was like He was just the cutest there, baby. Yeah, just rocking in cajoling and and short linen a chocolate I should have got it literally is what she said And he's a short linen and a chocolate flirty little baby and he used to or rappers arms are in maybrist And then he got hives Oh, and then he got on then he stopped short Hives and they had no idea where the hives came from and so in according to the mother she was just like

And near Ted was sitting in the emergency room all covered in haves and I and he was looking for his mother from I don't know. I don't either. I can't hold it. Okay, and he's in there and he's reaching for his mother And I couldn't be there to cajole and a chortle and to and a comfort and to come Um, and then he just he when he got when I got the baby. I got back was a sober baby A different child. That's what she said. They came back. I totally different baby Well, this makes a lot of sense in his later life because That period of time in a baby's life is extremely important as far as forming connections with other people forming connections with your mother Whatever. I used to be leaving a bus stop for days. You know when I entertained myself that was back in the day and it took

I had to take don't even pretend you were getting stuffed like a turd ducking on a date Henry Thomas come over here time for your hourly feeding. I don't like broccoli I well like hot dogs for the 370 70th straight day. No broccoli Henry Thomas Who loves their mommy? Who loves their mommy? I only love hot dogs You bring broccoli to table one more time. This is fun, honey. I think we've created a monster Oh, fifth grade Ted Kaczynski was tested. I had an IQ test. It was found that he had an IQ of 167 Of course was able to skip a grade as a kid. He for some reason feared. I mean fearing people

I can get totally also had an intense fear of buildings I mean make sense that uh, he went on to destroy many of them I don't he didn't really destroy me. No, you think of a mailbox like a mini building for like a mouse family Maybe that's what he was thinking. That is strange. That is a strange thought You're turning you're becoming like a little putt. You're becoming like a gulliver with his tramps The uh, I maybe the fear of buildings It just seems like he was a skittish weird kid and his mom said that he would go to his shutdown place That every time he dealt with anything that made him scared he'd go his shut his shutdown place

Which was him just literally sitting and staring alone in a corner and yeah like And you wonder why he had problems with the girls Right Yeah, but you would just sit and not talk to anybody for hours Yeah, but I mean this makes sense and it's very common with people with elevated intelligence Especially in illinois the midwest in general Everyone's just talking about the bears or the packers or random meats and he wants to discuss intellectual things But you discover all the time you see these you see that all the time a kid who's really smart oftentimes will get in a lot

Of trouble as a kid because they're getting really bored and then like he's probably bored with everything around him And what according to david kazinsky what he was saying his mom treated him with a certain amount of like preciousness Yeah, I was just being like speak like an elevated human being like like do we have an indigo Use a better accent for the other indigo situation Do we have an indigo child it very might be I mean but kazinsky also said himself that his mom verbally abused him Uh, quite a bit didn't have any physical abuse, but he was also he could be a skin to go kid because he was a Might bit sensitive. He's yeah, he's a bit of a bitch Every time I assume so everything that he does you'll see all these episodes come out of him like pouting because oh

I'm just smarter than everybody. Yeah, and I just like guess what yeah Well, the rest of this country is built on the calluses of construction workers And the hard knees of the pioneers that came to this country and nothing dumb about them They did the hard worker killing millions of people that lived here before them That's right. So when you're sitting there shaking in your room humming at a low tune you got some people to thank And that's one of the great ironies of tag kazinsky One of the great ironies of tag kazinsky is that this is a man that you know talked about how technology was ruining society How the industrialization was was ruining society?

But this is the exact type of guy that would have benefited from technology Absolutely, but he was he's the guy that is able to survive in this world If the technology that we have today existed back then he wouldn't have been in a cabin shitting in a bucket He would have got on the internet when he was 14 and maybe would have found some weird friends Probably would have gone on four channel a lot He might have been in the cabin though, but he would have been the president or the mayor of four square for that cabin And except now, uh, everybody who's a hipster would fucking love to live in a cabin shitting in a bucket because they all He's like the old dress like Amish people. Everybody's making their own pickles in their own butter

It's like you know, you'd bother inspired a generation Of people to diy themselves into smelling like a bunch of cattle in a hot elevator Maybe he tried to make the kazinsky pickles, but nobody enjoyed the urine that he was soaking all the uh cucumbers in They hate my pickles. I will have my revenge This whole thing was about a failed kazinsky pickle business. Everybody knows it another odd thing about him Uh, not much for extracurricular activities except for trombone lessons And that's the other properties his mother did his mother dress him in later hose than this Well, but he was also in the math club and math club is built like I was in the chess club at the time in high school

But you know, it was me too indian kids are like a guy with you know had gear braces and uh fat girl And we had a great time and I could have finger choked that fat girl any time I wanted back in the day But that's how you made that's how you make friends, right? You don't you go to like minded people But you don't think that he was connecting to people in the math club No, he would cut classes. He would go back to his house. He'd write in his journal all day Right become obsessed with mathematics and at the age of 15 he graduated high school And at the age of 16 they say it skipped them ahead so far. Yeah, which is also again

It's not a good thing to do for your kids. I don't think that's good at all No, because all you're doing is elevating their sense of importance. Basically, you're doing that, but also he's emotionally He's not he's not a uh, he shouldn't have not I mean what so theoretically you go to college at 16 He went to college. He got accepted uh in the harvard at 16 and he went to harvard at 17 So, I mean he could be the coolest guy in the world if john hughes wrote his life script Yeah, john hughes did not if he was duggy hauser, right it would have been awesome You know, I mean, yeah, he would have been instead around had his first kiss with a 21 year old It would have been awesome. Yeah, but instead like a girl unzipped his uh zipper saw his pubeless

Penis and balls and laughed him out of the goddamn university and it's like I'll have my revenge There's a lot of revenge Because john katekazinski has probably said this phrase. I will have my revenge Two to three times a day and it was always just like, you know, he drops his coffee at the gas station And he's like, I will have my revenge. Well, I can just get you another cup of coffee, mr. Kazinski. I will have my revenge How about another cup of coffee? well instead of a girl pulling down his pants and finding that he has no pubes instead he ran into A what you could consider to be a very evil man a man named henry murray now. This is all true

This is all 100 which is very interesting because also when you hear about this time period in his life when he was at harvard They said that he was a very like well I think could connect to what we're about to talk about. So he was a very again very maladjusted Had a hard time making friends. They said that his 17. What are you doing this weekend ted? I mean, you can't go to the kegger. Oh, absolutely. He's not doing anything But they said his room again smelled like sour milk. That's the first mention is sour milk We're gonna get from ted kazinski and he uh, he had a hard time and he was very misplaced He said he had the dirtiest room

Yeah of anybody that they knew and that uh, his doctorate thesis because he was in a type of math Which is this also called pure mathematics. Yeah, um, and his favorite book of all time was called romping through mathematics romping through Yeah, and pure mathematics means that they don't even like As no fun anything. It's just them just being like numbers or colors and here is the algebra Yeah, right theorems and logic and all of the little fun good. Well hunting shit. This stuff that makes you hard to talk to at a party. Yes Yes, well, he runs into this guy. Henry Murray not at the mathematics department, but in the psychology department

This guy Henry Murray. He was a huge figure in the intelligence agency His specialties were personality analysis brainwashing and interrogation techniques, which makes you great at a party Yeah, that's the biggest skills like almost too good at a party Like all of a sudden people are making you drinks and then they're like you're getting their shoes You're making clothes make Dave piss himself again Like do the thing that you do to make him piss himself. I will do it and then I will make him join the army So this guy in world war two he was part uh, he was a big part of the osse intelligence agency Motherfuckers him and press and bush all blowing each other while grace are making fucking

How many arrangements how many of our fat people were sacrificing to the grace? Fat people are getting sacrificed now. So they love the like they love the fat people We'll have to talk discuss about and we'll discuss that later. The osse was the predecessor to the cia Uh, so he was one of the guys that originally created the evil monster that became the cia He was most interested in seeing how much recruits could stand withstand interrogation Uh, and he designed programs to break down personalities So what I have here is a special device that I like to call the penis sword And what it is is it's um, let's say let's call it a tiny sword and what you do with it is

Imagine the penis has a wreath for such a tiny sword He's got to shoot it out of there until he screams and tells you everything That's genius brilliant That's the thing. I mean these people are just sadists, but they're trying to like rationalize what they They want to cause is a sadist and is trying has been trying to rationalize That's the whole idea is that everybody's right from any perspective. You're right that difficult to get people to feel a lot of pain Yeah, no all you gotta do is master knees on a hammer Yeah, cut cut their their nostrils with a with a pair of wire cutters literally thousands of ways

Put a bunch of pepper on their feet Oh, I kind of like that one that I'll lick the feet no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Burrito feet Well the penis sword probably isn't that far off because this guy Was an advisor during the Department of Defense LSD experiments with Timothy leary Like this is what like because this was back in the day when timothy You could have a job like like timothy leary was a true professor and before he was a counterculture hero He was they were seriously studying lsd

Which we probably could use nowadays. I feel like they're trying to make a movement back towards it and psychiatry of Using psychotropic substances to kind of mine the brain for it because I'll tell you mushrooms made me a cooler guy Oh, and I took mushrooms it changed my entire life Yeah, well kids like it did Ted Kazinsky. Yeah, you don't have to take mushrooms to be cool though You just have to get out of the math club Get out. Don't be like Henry Zabrowski or Ted Kazinsky. Here's what Timothy Leary said about this Henry Murray guy He said that Murray was the wizard of personality assessment who is OSS chief Psychologist has monitored military experiments on brainwashing and sodium ametal interrogation Murray expressed great interest in our drug

Research project and offered his support now Murray at the time that Ted Kazinsky ran into this guy Ted Kazinsky was 17 He was lonely. He was away from home for the first time Reaked of spoiled milk Murray's Murray's about 40 years old 66 66 and taking a lot of acid and it is a thing if you're the head of the Oh, if you're one of the senior chief members of the OSS you had a head full of fucking ass 24-7 you're getting really Very creative very strange. Yeah, maybe he didn't even think that he smelled like spoiled milk He just felt like he smelled like a fragrance that mr. Kazinsky. I hate to say it, but you're the sweetest smelling boy

I've ever met that's so crazy. I usually get told I smell like spoiled milk in my room. It's all messy absurd You must join the CIA so Ted came upon this guy Henry Murray through a psychological Experiment that Murray told all the people involved in this experiment. They told you know listen all we're gonna do is You're gonna write an essay telling like all of your like most personal beliefs the things that you believe about Most strongly in this world and we're gonna put you in a room with another student and you guys are gonna debate You know there you're just gonna have a friendly conversation So what Murray did instead is he had all these students write essays, you know just I mean I'm talking like the what was at the core of them, and then he gave the essays to

defense lawyers and then would have the defense lawyers go into the room and Just break these people down Absolutely, just I mean attack them psychologically and verbally and just destroy their entire ego while they're tripping balls on acid No, they weren't on acid. Oh, I thought they were on No, no, can you imagine having a defense lawyer pick your brain apart while you're on acid? I think you might be able to win if you're on acid and you're in the right mental headspace I think you'd be the lawyer. No Murray was the only one on acid in this experiment Beaming out of his head. She's like those lizards are doing very well in there. It's like they're lawyers, sir

Yes, I said that lizards. Yeah, and not I mean there with the environment was pretty messed up, too They took him into this room. They connected them to electrodes they Faced them against all these bright lights in a one-way mirror, so they were forced to look at their Reflection and not only that but they also videotape them and then made the subjects Watch the videotapes of their own psychological break Difficult I love the term of their impotent rage It made them watch their own faces showing signs of impotent rage, which is just like I mean I do that a lot of sketch comedy

Yeah, you know, and it's funny to watch in sketch comedy But you imagine you're like you're real of just having to watch like a home video of you just going like I don't know why but I'm rock hard That is it's very difficult to watch yourself in the first place and then to watch yourself in your most emotional breakdown In that mental headspace that had to be pretty difficult Already emotional and stable when you go out beating of these Harvard kids Nowadays the Harvard kids are treated like you know future gods of America. Well, they're all they're all they all have like weird like Pan-Asian names They're all like they got dreadlocks and they all want to be like lawyers for dogs

It's a different place now, but I do like the lawyers for dogs I'm a dog lawyer. Yeah, I but I also Like about this experiment, right? It also comes out like my grandfather was my grandfather was trapped in a tunnel in Italy for two weeks And he came out and he was sweet as it can be I mean he had a secret family and he lied to my grandmother That's normal. There was normal. Yeah, but it's but he was like what happened. He just like fell. He was just like fell down a Hole no, they were on a secret mission. They were going to kill Mussolini. They sent the fattest of the truth

He was a good And then he got stuck in a tunnel I'm not picturing them like stuck because they couldn't like they see the end I wish we had a button their grandfather's just stuffed in there I wish we had butter to release him from that hole, but that's consumed all the butter. Yeah So I know you're asking we're talking about CIA we're talking about LSD we're talking about mind control techniques The question on your mind right now. How does this tie into MK ultra? I mean the question on my lips is how it doesn't It's not how does it? It's where does it? Well, it is MK ultra, right? This is the early phases

Yeah, I mean well this was going on at the same time as MK. Okay, and there is not any evidence that directly links it to MK Ultra, but Murray was involved in MK ultra and between 1960 and 1966 the CIA funneled $456,000 to 13 Harvard programs and unnamed professors in the departments of psychology Philosophy and social relations tell me they didn't get any of that cash. They got some of that course They know that was the whole idea is that everybody that we were originally researching MK ultra Most of these people didn't even know they were a part of the program It was a bunch of people all operating for different shadow organizations that all were just Funding money through their universities. Yeah, they could learn proper or the interrogation techniques

So Kaczynski was I mean, I guess by definition. He was a train. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I mean, yeah, I'd say like, you know like peripherally. He wasn't in the actual program But you know the same people that work on the difference are the same people are working on MK ultra and project artichoke and things like It's like being artichoke. This is like being on mad TV instead of being on Saturday Night Live. You're still on TV Yeah, you know what TV you're still doing sketch comedy, but you don't get the premium brand name, right? Yeah Yeah, so, you know, here's what's extremely ironic about this entire thing is the same techniques these therapeutic techniques that Murray developed during this time Later on in the 70s and 80s those exact same Techniques were used to try to cure serial killers and other types of psychopaths. I thought you were gonna say create terrible rock-and-roll music

Also, so why how would they kill serial killers and psychopaths because you would use if the defense attorney is to break down there They're oh, I see not the drug use so much, but just the strategy Because in to Kaczynski's experiment again, there was no LSD involved. It was no drugs. Yeah Yeah, and they they used these and he was still 17 years old at the 17 It seems a little bit young to be breaking the mind The mind's not done yet. I had my mind pretty thoroughly shattered when I was doing mushrooms for the first time That was about 18 and it was awesome 1819 when you were in college. That's all right. Yeah, you're a different situation. You're also traipsing around Tallahassee

Yeah, just go dancing around. I'm not It's yourself in a mirror although when you did take mushrooms that one time and you just stared at Chris Farley's picture You're just like tell me your secrets That was similar. Oh, yeah, that was different though. That helped me. Yes. Yeah, and that was also like three years ago. Yeah, right Yeah, in the I mean the inmates of course like they they call these things or the research is calling dyads But the inmates call them hundred day Haydn's Hundred day hate ends hate ends because If it did that and also they found that this just made the inmates worse

And if inmates harden fucking psychopaths and serial killers if those people could stand it How do you think it's gonna affect a 17 year old social outcast in? Harvard out away from home for the first time. I think it's gonna make him Love humanity. I'd like to think it put some hair in his knuckles. Yeah, I mean because that's what he really needed You need to be whooped. Yes. He needs a good old-fashioned whooping I do want to know if this works for anybody anybody just like walked out of there's like I'm a new man and I'm a better person for it. It's probably a terrible experiment probably like, you know, like This would be great for

Ronald Reagan Ronald Reagan and made him the actor. We know who he is today, right, right Oh, and by the way as soon as it was found out that Tekazinsky was a part of these projects Harvard immediately sealed all the records. Oh, yeah, of course immediately They were open for that, but no one really cared all that much and they had a race all the graffiti He wrote like Ted was here, you know, like he had Ted's for life. Yeah So Ted he graduated from Harvard at 20. He graduated from Harvard in three years unbelievable I mean doing the most difficult mathematics that can possibly be done. So this is not an exaggeration to call him a genius

He was a complete genius. No, my god. No, he's one of his math professors said that was on his dissertation committee He he said that his thesis would he said I would guess that maybe 10 or 12 men in the entire country Understood or appreciated it, right? And this Murray guy probably took a lot of credit for all that But again at the same time not a good attribute for meeting women or having fun at a bowling party It's good for meeting women with unibrow's. Oh, but I mean at the same time, but I just feel like there is somebody for I mean if Gary Ridgeway can find Yeah, like he could have found some love and maybe helped him, you know, yeah I don't know if they were allowing women into math classes that honestly, I think that probably hurt

probably hurt the cause 1967 Kaczynski moved to Berkeley to teach at the University of California undergrad geometry and calculus in 1967. He's about 23 24 so three years old teaching at Berkeley Absolutely, but they also find it's interesting too is that what they brought up on this documentary I was watching is that at the time Berkeley was this hotbed of political activity And the same thing was going on at the Harvard at the time all the civil rights movements and stuff And so there's a part of like when there his brother was was looking back on Ted's life He was saying like I don't really understand where his sort of like social engagement came from because and at Berkeley

He couldn't give a shit. He wasn't protesting. He wasn't political at all right was just Concerned with math and that's the only thing he was concerned with and it's very strange that he would turn this whole thing into a Political agenda. Yeah, which seems like he had to validate it. Yeah, exactly Yeah, like Marcus was saying I think he just had to find a reason to kill a bunch of people and that's that one fits and that all that Think all that experiment taught him was is that you got to have a gimmick And what a gimmick he had that must have been a bizarre feeling if you were taught by Kaczynski and then you find out He's the unabomber because bad professor. He must have been such a

A Nazi very difficult to get an A in that class You see I really had hoped he'd become sort of like a Robin Williams like dead But about math, you know, we're gonna go learn outside today This is how you make a non-detectable mail bomb First you erect this shelter for yourself and get yourself a poo bucket You want it to be 18 inches from the ground so you don't get any shit on your ankles Oh, I'll meet you. I'll meet you by the trays after class. Hey, I'm gonna neck you So after two years of doing this after many

views from students because they said that like they would ask questions and you would just ignore them He would just sit at the board and just write stuff all day and recite stuff from the thing which is stuttering mumbling. Yeah I mean, yeah, really Um, no humor now I would like to hear him tell a joke and I'm sure that he laughed a couple of times They said that it must have been like everyone said he may be that he was like his brother said he was the most Remarkably serious person. He's ever met in his life. Yeah real pain in the ass Right. So 1969 age 26. He resigns from Berkeley completely

It gives no real explanation and some people there are differing theories on what happened here Some people say that he had, you know, a crack up. He just broke down I'm thinking I think you went to the chancellor's like so it turns out. I'm crazy I gotta go throwing Cheetos in his face and like taking his pants off, but that's a good crack up Good crack up But others have a little personality for once, you know You know others say that he had just been kind of biding his time and saving up a little bit of money So he could finally get his cabin in the woods all you want

It was this damn cabin in the woods. He had all of the accoutrements of a good professor, though I'm sure he dressed terribly. He had an awful beard He smelled like spoiled milk as we said and he was a total slump. That's every professor in a nutshell I don't know, but sometimes you'll get like a hot one. Like he's 23 years old. He's got glasses Maybe he's a little he's a little awkward. He's kind of dr. Huey and everyone who's that I want to suck on his Pube stick, right, you know, and then I don't teach a typical class because I don't think you guys are typical people So he goes out and he goes to Montana he builds a cabin in the woods no electricity he built him He built it himself. I mean, it was like 10 foot by 12 foot, right?

I mean, it was smaller than the room that we're sitting in right now and also from his like first bombs, too I don't think it was well-made. It was not well You're like your life is pure mathematics. You're not gonna turn into a Paul Bunyan overnight, right? I mean, we live in a world of peanut allergies and weed allergies and autism. Yeah, he was extremely autistic Wouldn't you say I would say he had to have been on time I mean later on he was diagnosed as paranoid as a paranoid schizophrenic There's also a difference between being autistic and just being like a real jerk. Yeah, I mean He was kind of just a jerk

Well, I don't ask burgers at the very least and if you go around putting bombs in a bunch of mailboxes I mean, I'd be paranoid too. No, it makes you a real jerk because you probably think that other people are doing it Yeah, you know, he's like, well, I'm just one of the guys putting mailbox or putting bombs in all the mail No, he thought he thought he was the only one he thought he was the only one He thought he was a real Michael Jordan of mail bombs out there, but he was just a Charles Geralt You say please Indiana Hoosiers, please a Paxton at the very least John Paxton Well, some references being thrown around today. I don't know if I made a real name. I don't know if that is Charles Geralt. I Refused to look it up

Sounds like a terrible Explorer, yeah, so this was was this this so this cabin was this the cabin. This was the cabin. Yeah, so he lived there He was 35 years easily. Yeah from 69 to 95 He lived in this same weird-ass cabinet and like I said earlier, you know, like there was the media said it was extremely isolated And that you know, he was so far away from everyone else. You could hear traffic from his door You can fucking boss from there. You could catch the buzz. You could see other houses from there, right? Yeah, it wasn't that I say he was a weird guy of he was very isolated. Yeah, but now he was isolated personally Personally as far as Montana goes like he was living up other people's asses

Like yeah, like he was real much. This is not isolated. He was in the Brooklyn of men of Montana Yeah, yeah, exactly. I wonder what that guy's doing in the castle on the hill of that You know and he retreated from society built his own cabin and I was I was reading a book You know I was talking about Ted Gazinski and they made a very good point One could almost compare him to Thoreau at Walden Pond Yeah, except Thoreau. I imagine also smelled like spoiled milk. Yes I guarantee that anybody who says that they're like a naturalist You can pretty much just assume is that that really just means I have dank ass pubic hair

Oh armpit hair, and it all is that you could you could smell me coming. Yeah No, they call me Ted smell me coming because it's yep can't sneak up on anybody So because this key he worked odd jobs here and there, but he mostly lived off of his parents money It's like the shittiest trust-fun kid, right? You could possibly imagine. Oh, yeah And he used that money to you know fund us all bombing campaign But they never held a steady job But what led up that too is that he had tried to buy a tract of land in Canada And he went to go and like literally like he went to go get a land and his brother was trying to help him out

And so David and him went to go get the land they fell a bunch of paperwork And then I guess he comes back because they were staying together in a hotel and Ted I guess had gotten the information that he didn't get it and then he just sat there Staring on one of his shutdown phases Just going like and he wouldn't talk to him and he wouldn't respond to him and he just let the letter drift to the Ground and he picked it up And it was the refusal letter and it was just like oh Can you can't get you lean for you Kevin?

And he's just like they won't let me live there, so I'll blow up their hands Ooh, I like it Oh, am I revenge? Cryptic? Cryptic? Yeah, the man hated the mail system No, but he tried to do that so and so then the cabin was kind of his like consolation prize Yeah, too smelly for Canada, huh? His family tried helping him out like they got him a job at the foam rubber factory where his father and brother worked

And I mean he got he went on a couple of dates at the foam rubber. Yes, he did and it did not work out No, of course it didn't even on a day with a supervisor again. He's a weird guy, but then the foam rubber factory That's made up Is that really is that true that he works at the foam rubber only factory type place that could possibly cover the spoiled milk smell Right, at least then he just smells like foam rubber, but everybody does Also, well, I got myself a new job at the foam rubber factory now. I'm gonna go find myself a wife and have some kids David literally said that he's like I remember the day that I saw Ted the happiest I'd ever seen him He came home and he said I went on an evening with my supervisor

Oh, and we shared some conversation and we shared a kiss at the end Imagine smelling his mustache But then that didn't last too long because she said that they didn't have enough in common They had nothing in common because she didn't want to blow up humans But then he started hounding her pretty bad and he got fired because he didn't enjoy rejection No, he did not and this is when he decides that he's gonna have to live off of the land. Oh, yeah He's a piece of pussy. Yeah pussy, baby. Yeah flipped out as soon as one girl said no And it's like I can't handle rejection try being an actor, right, right? I mean this guy was an asexual though anyway

I don't think he was that interested in women though. It's probably fucking a log out there yet I'm sure he was yeah with nature where he tries to live alone But of course as he's trying to live alone There's a lot of development going on around him a lot of industry is moving in perhaps the actual cabinet itself in the Beginning was isolated sure, but the entire world started encroaching him around him Oh, it's like that dr. Seuss book. Yeah, I say dr. Seuss novel The Lorax. Oh, I thought it was Ted Kaczynski here's a who blows it up

Of course the last straw came of course. He's been he's not happy in academia He's not happy working at the foam rubber factory. No, he decides he's gonna be he's gonna live off of the land He's gonna be in his little cabin. He's gonna do his little theorems and everything is fine But it said that the last straw was he went to his favorite spot this secluded spot that he would go to to you know Look at nature amuse on whatever They didn't care about my milk smell they were only there to listen It was another nice day with the fish Kids to his favorite spot and he finds that it's been completely destroyed and replaced with the road

This is literally the Lorax. Yeah, really. Yeah Ted or the Laura, I think I think Seuss stole the story Well, this is what this is what Kaczynski's because we're gonna have to read some of Kaczynski's stuff Oh, we're gonna while we're you know, especially next episode when we get to the manifesto But this is just still from his journals as far as manifestos go to really top-notch stuff It was kind of hard to read. It's a little hard to read But once you find the excerpts you get somebody to you know, bring the good stuff out Right, there's still there's some you know good points

But this is still when he's writing in his journals and by the way when they found his cabin and when they found all of his journals He had 30,000 pages of journal entries and about a third of that was in a mathematical code That when the the people who fed when the FBI took it over to the CIA They said that they had not seen anything to rival this code since the enigma machine of the Germans more He's a regular Judy bloom over there with his longevity could have been huge All right, this is what this is what he says It was from that point on I decided that rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills I would work on getting back at the system revenge

I certainly don't claim to be an altruist or to be acting for the good whatever that is of the human race I act merely from a desire for Revenge, of course, I would like to get revenge. Oh, I'm sorry. It's 813. I've got to go to the foam rubber factory I will be back to my diary in exactly eight hours time on the whole scientific and bureaucratic establishment not to mention Communists and others who threaten freedom, but that being impossible. I have to can't tempt myself with just a little He's really sure communism in there by the way

He really I think that's literally that's just got to do he just communism is just like he he just met like a bunch of cute girls That I've got up to sit in anything and they didn't want to talk to him because he smelled like milk So this is all because a road It's all because a road and this is when he decides violence is the only way and it takes him a little while from that happens until he Finally like puts some bombs out there I mean I think about five years or so before he finally gets up the courage to start sending shit out I also you know, there's the final statement to of it's like he started planting some bombs and she's like I emphasize that my motivation is personal revenge. I don't pretend to any kind of psychological tools by which society's controls

People's behavior. My ambition is to kill a scientist who big business man a big one big one So he's always old big and he blows up like a whale Government official or the like I mean I would also like to kill a communist It is funny because this is There does seem to be a lot of arrested development here. Yeah, this is what you write when you're 13 years old Oh, you know, this reminds me of my like 15 year old poetry of just being like and then like it was all just like And they hear the rattle of the drums and I with my oozy show all the job Yeah, he's got the emotional development of Dylan Klebold totally of course from Columbine

That's if you would before Columbine you were able to get away with some relatively strong worded poetry Yes, we call it nowadays. Yeah fan. I mean now nowadays you just get put Yeah, they just put they give you a riddle in and then you know, yeah All of a sudden you're all you can do is watch teletubbies in a fucking Strap down so he's just upset because they ruined his little his little home All right, yeah, they ruined his little home and he was just an extremely unstable individual He just sucks as it is right right doesn't Montana suck. No, it's beautiful nature And if you like to hunt if you like the outdoors sucks for people like us who can't survive without a whole foods. Yes

Haha, so he decides that reform is not possible whatsoever and you know talking about his time at Berkeley and his time at Harvard You know, he sees all these people saying, you know, we've got to reform the system We've got to work from it from the inside, you know and change everything Oh, yeah, and he's just and everyone's fucking doing drugs and he's just sitting there doing his little mathematical theorem So it could be very jealous of those. This is all I mean I can sort of see as far as society goes that you had the weather underground at this time You had a bunch of internal They were all fucking and you're having a cool

Oh, they're having a great time Yeah, but there was like everyone was sort of broken off into their own, you know extremist groups But they were all doing it to get pussy and like to get drugs and stuff and have a good time Nobody else to go have sex with while he was at Harvard He they would they were sort of pranksters and so they would do is they would set up amateur like explosives So a lot of times it apparently Ted was the one who was always would take the explosives to the to the area where it was Uncomfortable because you know again bad at making friends just making a large too big Yeah, and he blew out all the windows of the chemistry lab. That was like a thing

So it's like he is he has already kind of started dabbling in bombs. We had science Again, but that movie was all about getting Bush, right, right, right Yeah, so he figures the he keeps calling the techno industrial system Right, I've got to take down the techno industrial system and he thinks through sending mail bombs out He's gonna destabilize the system people are gonna become panicked and the entire thing is gonna fall Which is all bullshit this guy. I mean, I I see the Train of thoughts there, but I think all this guy he wanted his revenge He wanted his revenge. He wanted to kill people, but he needed a justification. Yeah, he's a justification

He's a he's a crusader serial killer a missionary serial killer. Yeah, it was like what's his name Peter Sutcliffe? Yeah, who was like, I'm gonna you know, he kill all the whores. Yeah, yeah Or just pretty much any guy who kills all the whores like Saving the world they were purging the world of their sin. Yeah, that's how Gary Ridgway thought, you know He's gonna kill. He's very much a deep believer in the Bible. So right he's gonna do the same He's gonna purge the world of these people except Ted Kaczynski was such a fucking nerd that he wanted to purge the world of scientists Scientists and people involved in technology and big business men

So had he won he would have hated that show Silicon Valley. Oh But he would Oh, I just think they're so funny. They're funny and I love their shirts. It's just nice to see a show about people like me One million dollars an episode by the way Each member of that cast a million bucks an episode So he wanted to stop the internet from happening. Yeah, he lost the future. Yeah, he lost the future Yeah, he didn't want he wanted everything to come. He wanted us to go back to where he looked Which is the only thing he's good at. Yeah

I don't understand this the one part that confuses me about him The only thing that he's good at is being a mathematician having a mathematical mind It would have worked so well with creating internet websites and all these things There's why we wanted to destroy the only possible avenue for him to become a multi-millionaire because he didn't want to fit into any system He was mad that Becky didn't want to date him at the foam rubber family factory She went out with it. He creeped her out. It's a problem But still she could have stuck it through and saw the real him because you know the whole thing If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best

I think that he was given her the best. So, how did this start? 1978 Worst year in America Yeah, 1978 right you got Jimmy Carter. You got the iron-on-hostage crisis You got the gas shortage, you know economies in the shithole Malays my friends the time of Malays He decides that he's gonna send out his first bomb and you know investigators are still a little Baffled about what who and why who he chose why he chose them the pattern in which he chose them

Literally, he just went through a yellow pages like this one directories. This also this guy had a ridiculous name Buckley Christ The first guy materials engineering professor Buckley Christ at Northwestern University Which sounds like a parody movie about Jesus's second cousin Are you now we're looking for mr. Christ Jesus Christ. No, I'm just buckley I've seen Jesus in a while God abandoned me a long time ago. Why are you turning out water in the Kool-Aid? Gosh darn it. Oh my father's lost her teeth Gosh darn it. So Kizitski. I mean he uses the reason why he wasn't caught for such a long time is that he retained his intelligence

Completely he was so smart as to how well I mean he did how he didn't I mean the first one They did this one. It was a double bluff. It was amazing. He took this package He put it into the parking lot at the University of Chicago Which was a completely different location from where the bomb showed up and where it said it was from he put a Return address from a polytechnic and polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York And the other one that the actual Sent to address was at to Buckley Christ at Northwestern University But it was just in the middle of the parking lot in the middle of the parking lot at a university these people

You know, they say professor professor. Okay, I better I don't know how this got here Oh, dude, so someone needs it. We need someone needs to care. Yes someone needs to take care of this so you know, they put it in the mail and This guy gets it the guy from the return address He gets it and he doesn't recognize his handwriting on it And he's like that's a little odd right someone would write, you know a return address for me So he calls up a security guard a college security guard And he's like, yeah, why don't you take care of it?

So do you think that's a way was this a way for Kaczynski because we know he's not the boldest man Is this a way for him to wash his hands of it? This is just a way for he just knows how to not get caught. Yeah, that's the idea So it just kind of disappears a bunch of fingerprints on it like everyone's gonna touched it Yeah, I mean, it's just it's gone through the mail so much And the the security guard before he opened it up. He actually like joke. He's like, maybe it's about never say that Never say that yeah, because all you're doing is setting it up and then maybe maybe it's a thousand dollars Maybe it will be it's never good to say. Maybe it's a bomb the secret

Well, you'll see and you know his further attempts to not get caught You'll see the way that his the bombs are constructed there He almost hand-made everything every piece in the bomb the switches were made out of hickory He used matches that were untraceable use nails that were untraceable He used batteries in which he scraped off all the labeling and that's why the first bombs that he built kind of shitty I get that though. No, they're like Etsy. Yeah 100% homemade bomb yeah can't go wrong Yeah, I mean it didn't it didn't work because you know when regular pipe bombs you want the metal threading on it

Because it kind of creates pressure creates a bubble that explodes plus you get a lot more shrapnel But he his trademark throughout the years wooden boxes He would always use wood because part of his trip was also an environmental trip Yeah, well, I mean he that's he knew exactly how to make a wooden box if we can look at the cabin that he has in the woods He would have done great in large. Yeah, okay at shop. I mean who now to dealt with the jocks He would have been very good at the projects. Yeah, so the person who opened up with so the so the security officer Terry Marker opened it up and then he's blew a bunch of his fingers off which became sort of the the scarring and became really the What unabomber became known for yeah, he mutilated a lot of people like yeah, he only killed three

But he muted like I mean seriously That seems to be common like that Luke Helder guy from UW stout when I was in college there He tried to make the smiley face across. Yeah. Yeah, that's all he did just blew off people's arms and you know It's bad. Thanks. Terrible. No, they're terrible is that the it's but it gives it shows that his his real motivation was never to He wanted to kill, but he didn't really want to kill. He wanted the the ego trip of fear, right? You want an ego trip of creating a? Atmosphere of fear like son of Sam. Yeah, and especially that's how you know focusing on universities He wanted to create that at create that atmosphere of fear

Within the system that he hated right he hated so much here's a funny thing his name His nickname was not originally the unabomber the US Postal Service They were the first people to have a handle on this case. They all named him the junkyard bomber Junkyard bomber. Junkyard bomber sounds like a wrestler's name. Yeah, exactly The guy with a big wrench and a dog tied to a chain and he just goes like it's time to give him the dump truck Oh, yeah, yeah, it's an elbow from the top rope the old dump truck unit hard Little slowpoke, oh, yeah, and his buddies called him when he the shits Another bad Nick like when he the shits so the first guy got some fingers blown off

Mm-hmm, and how long did he wait to before he sent out the next miss less than a year less than a year? And it was also it was also a Northwestern University in this one. It wasn't really it wasn't a mail bomb This is just one that he kind of sat out there. This guy John Harris He there was this cigar shaped box that had the Phillies like the Phillies blunt cigar logo on it It had just been lying around a room in Northwestern University in one of the classrooms And he just started like, you know what I can do spots like that. That's cool little box Let's go check out see what that box is all about Oh

Never check out boxes. Oh He opened up the box and The force of this blast was a hell of a lot bigger than the last one So he was getting he was getting better and I don't know if he how he checked his work because I mean he was in Montana You know, it's not like he had the internet to check out see what happened at Northwestern. What happened here? What happened there? I don't know how he knew that he was getting better at it. That's the way That's the weird thing about it. I'm certain there would be a mystery bomber I bet he got newspaper again. He just caught the fucking bus and went to town

He can go to Missoula and there's plenty of places in Missoula to get some newspapers I guarantee you at 8 a.m. Every single day. There was a big dump on that road No one knows who did it. He always did it though. There's some kind of mystery pooper out here on this road I hope he doesn't turn into a bomber of some sort. Well, you not bomber Maybe so 1979 that's when Ted Kaczynski finally hits national headlines What happened with the guy who opened up the cigar box? I mean he was maimed Yeah, it was that it was the the same thing as the guy before so in 1979 he decides that he is going to bomb an American Airlines flight which things get pretty serious

Right once you want to bomb an airplane. Yes, but he wasn't he wasn't targeting American Airlines specifically He wasn't targeting any flight specifically He just and it's it's fairly ingenious how he did this He just put out the parcel to airmail and of course an airmail, you know a lot of these things are carried along commercial flights Yeah, and he rigged up a barometer in this package that once the barometer hit 35,500 feet it would blow which is normally cruising altitude. Yeah, which is normal. Yeah, which is the bomb triggered And and then Bain and all of his henchmen No, no no mad hardy no more toilet paper in your mouth no more toilet paper

Oh, man, that's very good. Yeah, a butthole could talk Must have sound like there we go perfect. Oh, he still wasn't very good at making his bombs It was just a big mass of gunpowder. He didn't build it that well But it did fill the entire cabin up with smoke a lot of people got sick there was an emergency landing But one authority said that if he would have built it correctly, it would have obliterated the plane Oh, yeah, but it would just I mean blown into a million pieces. It's hard out there. We're all the work in progress Right, so he got lucky with his second bomb first Well, the people got lucky. I mean, yeah, he the people got lucky bad

No, I'm saying Because the second bomb was better than the first but it seems like he kind of went back to the old ways for the third and And it wasn't such a successful. Yeah, I think he was he was Self-sabotaging. I don't really wanted to succeed but you can never you can't it's never can't he didn't do it Daily affirmation and believe in yourself. Yeah, if you want revenge believe in yourself revenge So of course bombing an airliner is pretty serious. They bring in the FBI on this They bring in the ATF and so now you've got the FBI. You've got the ATF. You've got the postal inspection You get all the fuck up societies coming there already to just like right we're gonna we'll burn it down

Like no, no, wait. Oh, yeah, if I want to fucking crime-solve who am I gonna turn to oh the ATF and the post office Scared of the post office. They're not messing around So the task force eventually grew to 150 full-time investigators analysts and others over the next 17 years 50,000 suspects would be added to the database and as the task force was put together This is when he gets his infamous name the university an airline bomber or Unibom you did not realize that's what that was from. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Known as unibom he was known as unibom and we like they made the unibom because it was just you know It's you know the post probably made I mean again like they always do in the media

They give these guys such cool names cooler names Yeah, I mean did they have the sketch at this point? No, they made him look like he was no, that's no sketch came in like 85 That's like literally this was the I remembered this time period because it was like up until when he was caught 95 This was the first like serial killer that I personally was obsessed with I had my mom found my I had a folder That had all the cutouts of the unibom or all the pictures all the articles about him because I remember I had that picture of His mug shot of the drawing of him taped to a folder. Mm-hmm, and by the way, it must have been frightening I'm just gonna. Oh, yeah, all the parents. I don't know how I find in the bottom of my closet You know like I don't know if I found that in my kid's closet. I just chip of the oblac

You know the apple doesn't to fall too far from the tree, right? Well, let's keep I'll talk to your kid But I do feel like the guy who created the drawing the mug shot He just didn't know I'm lazy Just give him a huge glasses a hoodie. I mean you could mean more covered up than this guy I mean, that's what the the witness who saw him. That's how she described to him Right, like he was wearing a hood. He was wearing You know, you know any time he was ever seen maybe he was car having some like a carton of milk like in his pocket Or maybe in his satchel bag, but there was just a smell of spoiled milk. Yeah, I mean

Are you sure you just see leave on hell? Hey, man, that's a little fucking over-the-line right? You know playing music you get a little bit odorous. Yes, that is Marcus smells fine. He plays music every week Yeah, I play a few times away. I am a drummer just like leave on helm. I ain't trying to bottle the fragrance though It's not spoiled milk, but it's not exactly daisies in the field somewhere between spoiled milk and brute, right? That's how it's describe your smell. Oh, thank you Okay, all right Awesome, so we so three bombs in yeah, he's the unabomber. I guess we'll we'll pick it up there Yeah, he's got the name. He's got the game all he needs now is I

Woman Yeah different personality entirely yes something else something else he just needs a university job only just man I bet if they would have fired me from that foam rubber plant I would never be doing this if we could have just Gotten a flesh light and then just send it to him and just be like hey anytime you're lacy every time you're feeling like you You know you got an afternoon to kill The plug this in the wall. This is funny because I usually send bombs that explode, but I'm about to explode into this Well, and it's nothing is quite like the fresh scent of washing your flesh light out by a beautiful stream

Yeah, I know the scent of washing my flesh light It's rubbery and musky Very single life. It's not musky must tea. It's very musty put some dryer sheets in there Relatively attractive young man. You don't have to have sex with a flesh like you let him have his ball plunger I don't have to do it. I mean it's definitely I mean I don't have to do a lot of things the ball plunger 2000 Wonderful. Well, let's do a hail Satan. Hail Satan. New York City. I will miss you. Yeah, mm-hmm Of course, Henry safe travels. Thank you. Let's see anything else going on

I guess September 7th. We have some live show here at the creek number seven We're gonna have all the people from cave comedy radio Well, we're moving that because September 7th is the first day of football Okay, so I apologize. Eddie does not tell me these we're moving it said this is only decided yesterday moving it to August 31st And how in fact we're having a bit of a weekend because we'll have the last podcast on the left live show on Saturday night And then we're gonna have cave comedy the cave comedy radio sausage party on Sunday So it's gonna be a hell of a Weekend can we rename Sausage party?

That's the cave comedy radio Sausage party. You know of your favorite cave comedy radio personality I don't like the name. I'm just gonna sausage party. Good Lord sausage festival Sounds like a stinkier sausage party. Yes, that's worse. What about come out to the sausage carnival Hang out with the crew and brew. I don't know something better than sausage party other way. Um, so yeah, August 31st It's an all-day affair. Yeah, it's gonna be great man. It's gonna. It's gonna be super fucking sweet Yeah, last podcast in the left live show on the 30th and cave comedy radio live on the 31st featuring the trial of the mystery pooper Yes, and I'm gonna give a hi to V Kelly and say I miss her again V Kelly. Yes, V Kelly And how was the shooting in Atlanta for season two of pretty face? We've made the three best episodes

We've made in the entire series. Wonderful. You will love it. Did you break out in hives this year with no look at me My skin is pretty good. You look great. Yeah, you got used to it. You built up a tolerance I am I wrote I washed myself in 99% alcohol. Oh god I'm jealous That's perfect. I'm all right everybody. Hey all your hail yourselves. Help me. I'll gain and I got the leisure