Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 139: Edgewood Part 1: The Colonel's Pink Cadillac

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

The boys cover the various chemical warfare experiments done on the Untied States' own soldiers by the army at Edgewood Arsenal. In this first part: sarin, gas chambers, and the wacky collection of scientists that made it all happen.

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And I'm not sure. I guess Uzi beats grenade, but grenade beats handgun. And Uzi definitely beats gun use instructor. That's for sure. Holy Lord. I saw that video. That hero nine year old. That guy did stand a fucking chance.

Well, I would say when you give a Uzi to a nine year old, step back. Don't put your face right in front of where the gun is. It's kind of like that. It's like if you give a mouse a cookie. Right. Remember that book? It's like that. But in the end of the give a mouse a cookie, I don't remember.

It's been a long time since I read it. Does it kill the family? Yes, the cookie was full of drugs and other psychedelics and then the mouse freaks out and then the cat. Nause down your face. I just saw the cat. The cat is like 10 times its size and it's got an Abraham Lincoln's face to it. I just gotta fucking kill it.

I gotta kill it. An Abraham Lincoln looking cat. Murder it. Welcome to the show everyone. That's Marcus Parks. I'm Ben Kissel. We're joined from all the way. All the way from beautiful Los Angeles by a fellow.

It is raccoon adventurer Henry Zabrowski. I will put this way. I'm now living in Silver Lake, California, which is very friendly sort of hipster community out here in Los Angeles. But what I will say is, is that number one, people are suspiciously nice. Oh, I hate that. Someone gave me, someone gave me their table at breakfast. What do you mean?

They were like, literally like, oh, you need a table. Oh, we should have been done anyway. You can sit at our table. They're cultists. They're all cultists. They're trying to recruit you into some disgusting sex ring. And it's working. And second of all, the Hitler mustache is making a big return.

I thought Michael Jordan was the only one that could pull off the Hitler mustache. No, no. Now you got kids with fucking like a weird Coca Cola shirt on with a tiny little Hitler mustache and like, and the gelled hair. They're dressing actively like Hitler out here. They're fine with it. Also, the raccoons do literally roam the streets at night. Like in roving packs, and I was told to get a stick because sometimes they will attack

you on the street. You're told to get a raccoon stick to carry around with you while you're jaunting around the neighborhood. I don't know what the fuck's happening in the city, but these raccoons are, they are treated like royalty. They are let go. There should be a dude out here with a fucking scythe just cutting through these raccoons. If the Dan Acroy John Candy movie, the great outdoors taught us anything about raccoons,

they're cocky and their assholes and they're rude. I'm very excited about today's episode. This is going to be, it's a two parter. This is the first half of chemical testing in the U.S. government. A little bit different than MK Ultra. This is about really finding the best chemicals to destroy the most amount of people. Who did we practice on? Our own soldiers.

The best part about this, the thing about this topic is that you can definitely see how MK Ultra could have used the data that came from Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland, United States, which was a chemical weapon testing facility. Marcus will illuminate this further, but it's very interesting to know that like a lot of information came out on testing various weapon weaponized gases on our soldiers and psychedelic weapons, but drugs to sort of, as we've already talked about it for MK Ultra, they're trying to make a super spy. This was to try and the idea was they were trying to protect our soldiers by learning

how to properly protect them from gas and psychedelic warfare. And this, of course, this started after World War Two. And if you remember our soldiers during World War Two, they were kind of duds. And then we sent some people out to Vietnam, some of the coolest guys around, listen to Creedence Clearwater revival and things like that. Well, they definitely were more violent in Vietnam. Yeah, they had to be. Except for on the beaches at Irojima, because those people were like fighting with swords

and shit. Yeah, it was a wild time. So the Edgewood Arsenal facility from 1955 to 1975 was a place where the U.S. Army Chemical Corps conducted classified medical studies and about medical studies. Medical studies, exactly. Very similar to Unit 731. This is, once we get into it, you'll not only see similarities to Unit 731, but you'll also see similarities to some of the Nazi medical experiments during World War Two.

But again, with the Nazi experiments and with Unit 731, they were experimenting on their enemies. These were our soldiers. Yes, and while they did take a little bit more care than Dr. Mangala, they were still experimenting on United States soldiers. So they experimented on 7,000 soldiers. They used more than 250 different chemicals. Here's an example of some of the chemicals they used.

They used nerve agents like VX and sarin gas. If you remember, sarin gas, there was a Japanese called in the 90s that filled subways in Japan full of sarin gas. It was terrifying. What I will say, too, is I also, researching this topic, made me really learn what nerve gas was. I've known what it does, but it basically just shuts off all your organs. It makes your nerve seize in your brain and all over your body.

So your whole body just shuts down. So technically, it's sort of humane because you die almost immediately, but the 15 microseconds before you die are pretty rough. It's also very good if you're a karaoke and you want to sing a song called Have a Little Help for My Friends, but you really want to look like Joe Cocker when you're singing. The worst part about nerve agents, though, is not the people who die, but the people who are exposed to only a small amount of it. Say, you know, you're in the World War II battlefield, you're out there in the battlefields

of France, you're out there in the trenches. The guys that are in the middle of the gas cloud, they die instantly, but say you're on the very edge of the gas cloud and you only get a small, tiny, minuscule dose of it, you're about to go through an extremely painful time. Adolf Hitler, for example, was exposed to nerve gas. He went blind for two weeks, and when he woke up, World War I was over. Oh, he missed World War I. It's pretty sweet.

And then a.0005 will, like, automatically learn how to play the piano, so you don't know if it's going to be good or bad. You know, sometimes, you know, that experiment turns you into Spider-Man, and sometimes that experiment turns you into Lenny from up my cement. Yeah, well, leave Lenny alone. I think Lenny's got a bad rap throughout history. Well, they also used atropine and scopolamine, which are very... Scopolamine is the zombie drug.

That is the most powerful drug on the face of the planet, what they use in South America in order for people to go and, like, steal money out of their ATMs and fiddle with their bowls. So they literally, they'll have a whole night of activity and not remember any of it. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like ticates, right? Yes. Ticates in two or three Xanax, and then you hit a bowl, and then the next thing you know, you've signed up for a blood drive.

Mr. Zabrowski, I don't think we're going to need your blood here. You're highly intoxicated, and you're drinking some of it. But I have all this blood. It's in me. You're right, right. No, you're just cutting yourself right now, sir. They use irritants and riot control agents, tear gas and the like. Of course, they used LSD cannaboids.

They used POP, but they used highly concentrated THC, what we call oil today. Red oil. Yeah, red oil. And they used PCP. We'll get into that later. So much fun. Yeah, so much fun. That's really funny when they do with the PCP.

And they also used a chemical compound called BZ, which is extremely powerful. The effects last over a period of three days, and we're going to get into how they use that to really fuck with soldiers during certain tests. And how is this different than a week into Charlie Sheen's house? That is voluntary, and I think you know what you're going into with Charlie Sheen's house. That's true. Yeah, yeah. But Jenna Janison isn't there just telling everybody how things used to be.

And of course, they also experimented with alcohol and caffeine on those guys, although that was definitely on the lower end of the spectrum. Yeah, and I will say that I'm doing tests is pretty similar to Edgewood in that effect in my apartment here in Silver Lake, California. Right. So some guys were just like full LSD, other guys were serrated, and other guys just walked out of there being like, I love Colombian coffee. I can't get enough of Colombian grade coffee.

Yeah, I got to tell you, I can't tell any difference between the crystals and the ground coffee. This is unbelievable. That guy went on to become CEO of Folgers. He went on to make all of those gotcha commercials from the 1980s, switching crystals for real coffee. Edgewood did actually do some good things before we get into the terrible stuff. Edgewood did do a couple of things to advance the cause of humanity.

They were the first to design Kevlar vests, bulletproof vests. And they learned that the hard way each time. That's the problem with that experiment. Well, we shot one guy without any vest, and then we put a shirt on somebody. They both died. What we need is a sort of, we definitely just needed a, it's a clean testing area. So we had to have one with no vest at all. What poor sucker has to be the first vest guy?

Stand there. We're going to shoot you. No idea if it works yet. All right. Well, I've just been a dinner here for only 49 years. I can't believe how you are. I remember I was cleaning this floor since you were a baby, Dr. Ketchum. How'd he die?

He was a hero. Some of the experiments they used for mustard gas. That was the basis for early cancer chemotherapies. And there was a guy named John Clements. He made a discovery about how surfactants, which, you know, that's detergents, cleaner, household cleaners, behaved in the lungs, which saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of children. They changed the way a lot of those things were made. These things that were, you know, because in the 50s, we used a lot of stuff that killed a lot of kids.

Right. Because we just didn't test it. We didn't really know what it was. We just put a bunch of compounds together, found out that it took a stain out of a carpet and put it on the market. Right, right. But these were some problems. Were we killing kids, or were we making further generations of kids stronger? That's a good point.

So the beginnings of Edgewood. Edgewood has been around since the early 1900s. It's been around since World War I, because of course World War I was when the most intense bout of chemical warfare that the world has ever seen occurred. It was every single battle. Well, not every single, but most of the trench warfare battles were decided through chemical warfare. And it was horrific. It was the worst deaths imaginable.

They also had no idea what they were doing. Gas mask technology was also way far behind. And so they would just put your underwear on your head. It's not even that much of an exaggeration. Johnny, you got to tie that scarf shot. It's like it's a scarf just wrapped around his face. Yeah. It is very, like they were just shooting this poisonous gas out there.

And so basically what Edgewood was started on the basis of was how to make war more humane. Which is fucked up. Yeah. It's very ironic. No, we'll hear much more about the justifications of these people later. This is what a private, an army private wrote in 1918 concerning Edgewood. He said, Everyone we talked to on the way out here said we all come into the place that God forgot.

They tell tales about men being gas-burned. Gas-burned. Yeah. You get a tight little girl walking around. She'd get all the boys real good, stiff and hard till you... It was this new syndrome. It's called the blue balls. Have you seen it?

Your balls become so full of juice and semen that become blue with the texture. And well, it's a torture in and of itself. You're equating mustard gas to blue balls. So 1941, Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed this guy named Alfred Richards, who was a respected pharmacologist, to coordinate wartime medical research. Year after that, Richards decides, Okay, we've been testing on animals for a long time, but we really need to use humans. Yeah.

Who are we going to use? Soldiers. Yep, done testing on those pesky animals. It's time to up your game. Oh, and the testing on animals that they filmed, they filmed a ton of this stuff. Like all of this stuff that we're going to be talking about today. Like this is all well documented. A lot of the research that we got was from an amazing series of New Yorker articles. It was like these New Yorker articles, and then also this...

Hold on one second. This is really where the testing went, but on another level, like baseball. Remember, Babe Ruth was playing in Mickey Mantle, but then that was a fine game. What made it better? Jackie Robinson. They're stepping up their game. And also the documentary Bad Trip to Edgewood that features a lot, because they filmed everything, and they hit it, and they hit it, and it's an hour long. It's an hour of basically just pure Edgewood material, and this shit is fucking psychedelic. It's just like, the whole thing would be an awesome just backdrop to a party,

and you'd have awesome nine inch nails on it, and you'd put the documentary on mute, and it's just like, and you get like a girl sidled over, and you'd like tell her about how like, you know, like sometimes you have dark thoughts, and she's like, I want to help you. Like that's what that'll help you. Yeah, then you end up in a silo green situation. But that is funny that you mentioned that, and I guess we'll get into more of that in part two. But the one thing about the Bad Trip in Edgewood, I think there wasn't so much the drugs. It was the military instructor screaming at him.

Acid and just being scolded is awful. Yeah, we'll talk about that later. Yeah, that'll be in part two. And if you watch this video, you also see the tests they used involving animals. They did a lot of gas mask tests with goats for some reason. It's funny. It's really actually, I mean a lot of the goats died, almost all the goats died. But they found out that the research they were doing on these animals was not transferable to what the effects were on humans.

One of the guys said, in the hands of competent experimenters, much can be learned concerning the prevention and treatment of gas burns in men without subjecting them to more than relatively trivial annoyance or disability. Yeah, he's a sociopath. And we're going to see exactly what trivial annoyances and disabilities that they did to these people, which is absolutely insane. And what I do like with all of those videos, honestly, Bad Trip to Edgewood leads with these videos of the animal experimentation. And it's so fucked up and dark.

Because it's just them taking the cutest puppies and just sticking them in their heads in a box full of liquefied LSD. And it's just put them all in the head and then it's just them just going like... Honestly, it's like the beginning of YouTube is like right there. It's like David after Dentist, but it's just give a cat a hundred times the normal human dose of LSD and watch when it does. Yeah, they put a cat into a tiny little box, gave it a shit ton of LSD, and they just started setting mice loose. I'll tell you, it was a bad day for a cat. Great day for those mice though. Those mice were destroying that cat. It was also very interesting to watch the collection of cats form a loose sort of baseball game.

Featuring a chopstick that they found in a garbage can and then a rolled up piece of paper. And it was just sort of like, that is interesting. Grumpy cat was the catcher. It didn't know the experiment was going to go there. So in 1948, the scientists decided that if they were really going to get some solid test results, they had to start experimenting on soldiers who had no idea what was going to happen to them. But only the strongest of the soldiers. The top 25%, what do they call them? The astronaut class?

Yes, they called them the astronaut class. The top 25%, those guys would be tested with the nerve agents, and the bottom 25%, those guys would be testing equipment. Should we be sending the lower 25% into space? Why are we getting rid of all of our good ones? Send them to the moon? War is to fight here on Earth. Astronaut class is an amazing Prague rock band. Yeah, yeah, I've heard them. They're wonderful. So an Edward test subject, he said that he was given the nerve agent VX, which we talked about, which we mentioned earlier. And VX, when it's applied to the skin, it's 100 times as deadly as Sarin.

So an officer comes to the soldier's bedside, he draws a tiny little circle on his arm, and then another doctor comes in with a syringe and squirts a drop of liquid onto his skin. And they said the effect wasn't necessarily immediate, but it was rapid. And the subject, he heard other people groan, and he heard one dude say, like, oh, shit. You ever heard Eddie Larson from Round Table Story of the time when he was serving as the head of this graduation chair, and he had to, like, organize the graduation ceremony, and he was to lead this group of kids, and they were all going to do acid after graduation, and his dealer went up to him, and he was just like, okay, here, I'm just going to put these on these tabs for you,

and Ed held the tab, and then he missed and squirted the whole bottle onto his hand. And so he just became a tripping madman. And just imagine that, but it is a drug 100 times more powerful than LSD. Now this is 100 times more powerful than Sarin. But no, but I mean, like, this effect was bordering because it made you kind of trip balls a little bit, and that VX was a chemical that Hitler was literally jealous of, because the Nazis had been working with poisonous gases for so long, and then finally it was like VX was like the fucking Magic Johnson of gases.

We had figured out, of course, because we're the inventors of jazz and stand-up comedy, you know. Well, one of the reasons why America was so jazzed on getting a lot of chemical compounds and using a lot of chemical warfare was because this whole thing ties loosely into Operation Paperclip, which Operation Paperclip, if you remember, was the U.S. operation to take Nazi scientists and bring them over to America to work for us. If it wasn't for Operation Paperclip, we never would have gone into space. And they just got, Bush was sitting in a hot tub with fucking gerbils every fucking weekend talking about how best to make our boys all loopy.

That's all they did, was like, technically, they were like party masters. You know what I mean? Like, how are we going to make these boys trip nuts this week? And he's like, well, but we used to do in Germany as we used to call to penis off of one of the twins and see if the other twin felt it. And he's just like, they did. How about just like weed oil? Yeah. Yeah, there were sort of like that party monster character.

So the guy that was given the VX, he said that there was a radio on in the room and he said the words made very little sense. He said there was a very calm disassociation from his environment. They gave him food and he said that he had no idea what to do with the utensils in front of him. And he said as the test continued, this wave of tension just came over him and he said that all of his nerve endings felt like they were being crushed in a vice. And this is from a tiny little drop on his skin. Imagine if this stuff had been weaponized and put into a gas and sprayed out over a battlefield.

Then no one would know how to eat. Then they could establish with those forks that we were fighting with. It was a real long day in Wisconsin. The other thing is too, this is just a high I've been searching for for so long. You know what I mean? I've been smoking this medical weed out here, this strain called Charlie Sheen and it makes me like, I'm like on top of a lamp. I'm like on top of a lamp crouched like a gargoyle after I smoke like a bowl of it.

Seems a little warm though. What condition did you tell the doctors that you had in order to get medical marijuana? I said that I was looking to get kaleidoscope vision and that normal vision is too boring for me and that I'm too fast. I said that people keep telling me that I'm too fast and I'm too active that I'm too productive. We'll just put you down as a speedy creative then. That'll be good. So at Edgewood during these gas tests, they had an actual gas chamber that they used.

The whole thing was salvaged from a World War One Navy ship, which means it was airtight. The walls were extremely thick metal and the only window outside was a nice little porthole. And this is where the unit 731 thought came into my mind where they used to put them in the chamber, pressurized chamber and turns out humans don't like a lot of pressure. That's why we live right here on Earth. No, we pop like little grapes. The other thing is too, I feel like should we not have learned from the term fucking gas chamber? Should we not have learned from that term at this point?

Can we call it like this is our gas nook? Have you seen our gas nook? I would just get rid of gas in general. A human refrigerator or just a playpen. An experiment room. You can call it anything and you make it like navy themed and you put the porthole and you do like fun, you draw like ocean scene on the wall like a nice mural with like Captain America on it. Absolutely.

So this chamber was a perfect cube. All dimensions were nine feet, which is not a lot of space. That's really, really fucking small. And the only source of light inside was a hundred watt bulb mounted behind an explosion proof shield. And they had in this nine by nine by nine foot room up to seven men at any given time. And they were all tripping nuts. Well, I mean, that's what these guys, what they, they weren't tripping nuts at the time. Okay.

They, these guys, they participated in chamber tests and they told them when they were going to go into this chamber, they told them that they were going to be testing summer clothing. So it was like a J crew catalog and it's going in there with their Nantucket shorts on and fedoras just being like, no, this is going to be a fun party. I hope Bobby's there. And they were told that they were doing this in exchange for extra leave time before being sent overseas. Well, you hear that a lot from witnesses on bad edge, bad trip to Edgewood. And they all say the same thing was basically it was, they're like, Hey, would you rather pull another lab,

like lab latrine duty, or would you rather come to Edgewood and try some cough medicine? And they're all like, yeah. So all these people volunteered basically thinking they were getting the easy way out of like doing chores in the army. But instead they were gassed in a tiny room. They were lied to, they were all lied to. And it wasn't even until they arrived at Edgewood that they were told that they were going to be doing gas chamber tests. And even after they were told that they were doing gas chamber tests, the officials refused to tell them what they were about to be exposed to.

So it's like you line up and then what they did is they lined these guys up. Sometimes they were dressed in protective clothing. Other times they were completely naked. And we're just like, how do you feel when you're just like, well, Brian's got a whole gas mask on. Why can't I just get a gas mask? Can I have a gas mask too? No, now give me your pants as well. I'm going to be, I mean, you mean my boss is going to be out and he's got a full, he literally has a suit of armor on.

All nude. So according to the protocol, the door would, could never be open for longer than five seconds. So these guys are lined up, sometimes naked. They have five seconds to run inside and get the door shut because if they didn't get the door shut in time, too much of the gas would go out into the air and the experiment would be ruined. So about 10 seconds before they were about to leave after they'd been in there for a while, the attendant would bang on the door. You're like, all right, boys, 10 seconds, be sure to get out.

And then as soon as they opened the door, they ran out again, had less than five seconds. No matter what had happened to them inside, no matter how badly they were burned by gas, no matter the respiratory problems that they had, they had again, five seconds to get out. And by the way, there was a handle on both sides. One on the inside though, didn't work. But I like that though, because it trained those guys not to get in the way when you're going into a duane read, or when you're going into a Walgreens. I hate when people open the door, door all slow and they mosey on out.

Get in there, get out of there. Also, these guys would be superstars at a bar bathroom. Oh, absolutely. Any sort of concert outhouse, these guys know how to open and close the door and get out. So when they were testing protective clothing, they did what they called man break tests. Oh, that sounds like a great test to be a part of. So they put these guys in protective clothing, they put them in gas masks, and they left them in this chamber for anywhere between one and four hours. And then what they would do is they would play with the humidity and temperature of the room.

What they were saying is an amount of gases. So they leave them there for hours and then see how they can handle. They wanted to simulate jungle temperatures, because at this point, literally, this was during the lead up to Vietnam as well. They had already known, because I mean, we did the Gulf of Tonkin and basically forced ourselves into Vietnam. They were knowing that we were heading into jungle warfare soon. And so they were trying to create a line of protective armor for people, assuming that the Viet Cong or whoever we were fighting was going to use weaponized gases

and not a series of bamboo laden, booby trapped tunnels. Which we should have been training for this whole time, which they should have been doing this for an obstacle course. It was mostly dookie that brought us down actually in Vietnam, if you really think about it. Well, our eyes were all on Russia at this time. Of course, this is when the Cold War is really starting to ramp up, and we knew that Russia was testing chemical weapons just as much as we were, and we knew that they knew that we were testing chemical weapons. So we're trying to be in a chemical, I mean, we're in a race with Russia with everything at this point,

but we're definitely in a chemical weapons race. I would say we definitely won the race of dental care. Oh, we will say that. Destroy the Russians in nice sized foreheads. The other thing, oh. There's a great documentary though, the Donald Rumsfeld one, the unknown known. And they were talking about how Dick Cheney and him, they just completely inflated the Russian numbers. And for the most part, the Russians were, you know, they were tough, but they weren't that damn tough.

I guarantee you, we were winning the gas game. No, the most famous story was in Russian jets, they would fly off at the tarmac, they'd go to a different location, repaint the whole jet, and then come back and fly that one off again. It's a cartoon. Yeah, it's like a cartoon, because they didn't have that many jets. Megs was what they had, right? Those were the Russian jets. Everybody, and they were only testing this stuff to show the Russians that they were testing it.

It's all a big, gigantic game. And the people that got punished were the soldiers. Everybody else was fine. They were all using these guys like fucking pawns. I will say though, this is not the worst experimentation we've ever seen on soldiers. Most of these people came out of there and were actually okay. And we'll get more into that in part two. Some of these people were like, can I come back next weekend?

I love that LSD. That's what Dr. Ketchum, the guy who was in charge of the LSD test, was like, that was his big point at the end of that trip of Edgewood. He's like, you guys always bring out all these people who say they're all depressed and screwed up, but there are several people who said that they made them pretty groovy. Yeah, well, you know what those people were given? They were given dimmer all. The people who said, the people, like I found that out in the New Yorker articles, that the people said like, this is amazing.

Those guys were given dimmer all. They were given a sedative. They won the lottery. They were given Michael Jackson juice and feeling amazing. Well, I mean, if you want to talk about, you know, horrible experiments, going back to the gas chambers, these guys, what they would do is they would bring them out of these four hour sessions, and then they would examine the bodies of the soldiers. And if there weren't any burns on the soldiers.

Private Stevens, why are you rock hard right now? You are, why do you have a gas chamber? I am loving the gas chamber and I'm loving being there with all these men. And that's how you get out of that. That's immediately. If you go into a gas chamber with seven other men and you just go like, they're like, all right, well, he's not ready for war. I was thinking you.

I mean, obviously prisoners of war, they've been all over the news lately. And I did. I was thinking about the other day. What if you just like start getting tortured and you just start to like love it more? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. More.

Yeah. You just go to start sucking the other guy's dick. Yeah. Because they're going like, well, I mean, it's just, well, do you mind if I suck your dick? I mean, you'll be out of there in a second. Oh yeah. They're so homophobic. That's how you get out of all these masculine challenges.

Just pretend like they make you aroused. So after they examine these soldiers, if there weren't any burns on their bodies, they ordered them to go back to the gas chamber every single day until they did get burned. And a lot of the tissue damage was all over their bodies. It took more than a month to heal a lot of these guys. And the ones that became sick during these tests, they said that they were threatened with court marshals if they didn't continue to go into the chamber every single day until they did get burned.

So by the end of it, they all looked like that tan mom from New Jersey who spends half of her life in the old sun in booths. The other thing too is like, what they don't talk about here too is this sort of just how it is against the nature of any soldier of any bit of the training to deny what your superior tells you to do. Absolutely. So what Dr. Ketchum also then says later on is that like they had the option to leave. They always had the option to quit.

And it's like, no, they didn't. No, you don't. There's a cycle. No, you were forced to agree. Yeah. And they also say that during these gas chamber tests that some guys would collapse in the chamber after they collapse, they would be dragged away. And they said that they never saw those guys ever again.

So it's very likely that a lot of the fair amount of guys died during these gas chamber experiments. I doubt they just reassigned them. Marcus, those guys were sent to that big, awesome soldier farm. So there was room for them to run and stay, right? Yeah. And that's also what happened in World War II with all the people that were put on the trains.

Yeah. They went to a mountain. They would have a great time somewhere in a room. Yeah, I've heard that. And even though we don't know how many people were tested during this time, we do know through records that the Chemical Corps Medical Division, they sent letters to more than 1,000 soldiers, and they thanked them for, quote, subjecting themselves to pain, discomfort, impossible, permanent injury for the advancement of research and protection of our armed forces.

But they really did. Yeah. They really did. Again, thousands of kids were saved because of these things. And I really, I do want to say this about Edgewood is, for the most part, this is a very good example of the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And because all of these scientists came out, and they all, I mean, they all also, of course, because it was their jobs to defend it.

But they all say the same thing, just being like, we were doing this for good reasons. We were trying to defend against gas attack and against these types of things and figure out how to make a weaponless war. But they're just all just so stupid. That being said, though, at the same time, they had no concern for these players. They're like a athletic director in a major NCAA football program who gives a full scholarship and the guy stubs his toe or breaks his ankle. He's like, oh, I'm sorry, gotta let you go.

You can no longer help us win. I mean, they were total, they had no concern for these soldiers' lives whatsoever. No, there was a bottom line. And the big thing too is where this VX came out of, which I find really like one of those like fucked up things is that the reason why Sarin doesn't work very well is because it doesn't have a long shelf life in terms of being lethal is that once you release the gas, once it disperses, it's not lethal. So it's basically only works the first time you shoot it.

And so VX came out as a thing of just being like kind of making it more napalmy, which is like, we're going to make sure that it comes out and it sticks to them. And it's 10 times more lethal. When God was creating semen, he had a similar problem, and that's why now semen is so sticky. I remember that old Psalm. Slick was the semen that didn't make a babe. Sticky was the semen that made Solomon's hair. That's right.

That's right, Henry. I didn't know you read the Bible. I went to Catholic school. Very good. Well, the government not only tested on soldiers very quickly, just a quick reminder that the government also tested on regular United States citizens in 1951. They sprayed a bacteria over San Francisco in which 11 people were hospitalized. Marcus one died.

Get more into this. This was a general public was not informed that this was going to be happening. God no. And there are plenty. And there are also there are things that happen in St. Louis that people, you know, are it's still rumored, but there are definitely some that are very confirmed such as Operation Big City, which they did here in New York and cities all across America. But us here in New York City, we were definitely the ground zero for it.

That was in February 1956. There were definitely there were they would fill light bulbs right for all intents and purposes with bacterias and just drop them down in the subway system. Yeah, they would fill light bulbs with bacteria and they'd throw them in front of trains so they could see how fast the bacteria could spread, which is give a shit. And we've learned when we were first talking about MK Ultra, we learned the story because it was like their favorite thing to do was because the idea is that they wanted to see what the true effects were.

So they didn't want to let anybody know that they were being dosed. So CIA members were dosing each other with LSD and different drugs all the time. And this is Operation Big City is where the story came from of the the CIA operative who was dosed and then committed suicide by jumping out of a window. And they had these sort of they would connections to whorehouses in New York where they would help them dose Johns. And we cover that a little bit. Yeah, yeah, we've covered this in our chemical.

We had a chemical warfare episode a long time ago. And we also cover a little bit in MK Ultra. But I mean, it does, you know, I don't know if the CIA introduced crack in the 70s or 80s or whatnot, but it certainly doesn't seem like it's outside of their wheelhouse. We literally were testing unbelievably dangerous bacteriost on random strap hangers in New York City. And all of this is documented. And all of this has been it was tried in court.

These people were paid reparations government 22 years later after somebody died. I forget the name of the fellow filing was just like, sorry about that. Yeah. And the end they also gave the family $675,000 in reparations for that. I'll take it. Yeah. So in 1947, this guy. Al soft Corwin, he was consulting for the government as far as chemical warfare when and he just

kind of said almost as an afterthought, he said one rather spectacular possibility should certainly be called to attention. This is the possibility of producing mass hallucinations and uncontrollable hysteria by intoxication. It was a throwaway line. It was just like, you know, and this is also interesting. Well, that was under the produce mass hallucinations and uncontrollable hysteria. But you know, I mean, in the end, we would need some kind of awesome rock music to supply

that is right. I was going to say, I think the chapter head was like how to make 4th of July better. That's the problem is that if you take all the sinister stuff out of this, I'm just be like, fuck. Yeah. I know it doesn't matter what we say. I'm still sort of like, I'm going to volunteer. So this guy, L Wilson Green, he took that sentence and he ran with it.

He combined that sentence with all the army's research that they had done over the last, you know, 30, 40 years on nerve agents. And he wrote a classified report. It was called Psychochemical Warfare, A New Concept of War. And I think this right here, you know, we talked about it earlier, but this little paragraph right here, this is the basis of all of this. He said, throughout recorded history, walls have been characterized by death, human misery, and the destruction of property.

Each major conflict being more catastrophic than the one preceding it. I'm convinced that it is possible by means of the techniques of Psychochemical Warfare to conquer an enemy without the wholesale killing of his people or the mass destruction of his property. Let's blow people's fucking domes apart. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like reading all this last night and just fucking listening.

I looked up a bunch of Hendrix and I was just getting high shit and just listening to Hendrix just going like, woo, woo, I'm working in the army. Well, a lot of people do believe that Jimmy Hendrix was a CIA experiment. Yeah. It's very possible. Hey, man, that's a pretty fucking groovy one. And I'll take nine more of them, please. It's better than whatever Iggy Azaleas are going on right now.

What is the logic here from this guy then? So again, like you were saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. He was trying to create a more... He was trying to create a war without killing. So everyone just freaks out and starts dropping trow and dancing or what? He was trying to create a war in which the soldier could be... The soldier of the opposing country could be incapacitated, rounded up and kept imprisoned. Which is interesting because now we're seeing the same thing happening, but it's with technology.

So instead of now... Now they're doing the same thing with drones and robots for our soldiers, which is the idea of taking the human element out of war because then what you'll do is, is you... Then war can happen constantly. Oh, yeah. And that's kind of the idea. Is that like... There is that sort of 1984 edge to this, which is a country is more profitable when it's in war time.

Like how do we keep war going all the time? Death is very unpopular with the people. They hate seeing six million people die because everyone gets all fucking bummed out. So how do we make it so it's cool? A lot of people enjoy watching the enemy die, you know? I mean, I think they do, but I mean, the more people die, the less consumers you have. I don't think they actually... I don't think that they do. They talked about this.

That's the reason why there's a... Like even right now, there's a controlled effort to make sure that no footage of dead soldiers and dead soldiers in Iraq are shown on American news front. That's like the problem with this sort of like this weird... You'll see it because now what they're doing is like they're letting that ISIS reporter that the beheading get leaked so that people will rally behind us going to fight ISIS. We'll not show American shoulders get murdered because that makes everybody all fucking sad. Yeah, it's the difference between Vietnam and the Iraq war.

It is one of the great ironies of the ISIS situation though. They're always saying that this is an ISIS propaganda film and it is, to some degree. We're spreading it. It works the exact same way for us, you know? So the main guy in charge, let's go through some of the scientists that were involved over at Edgewood in these programs. The main guy, his name was Colonel James Ketchum, and he's a guy that has spoken out many a times about the effectiveness of this

and how it was a positive force. He even wrote a book in 2006 defending himself as far as his experiments went. But I'll tell you, this right here, what he says about the Chechen Moscow Theater incident, I think this really sums up a lot of what this guy is all about. If you remember in 2002, some Chechen guerrillas, they seized a theater in Moscow. There were about 800- You're talking about people, not monkeys, right? I'm talking about people.

Human beings. They might be Russian, but they're still people, Henry. It's just, you know, it's a guerrilla's joke. Yes, okay. I got it. I didn't. It went right over my head. Real quick, what do you think about those videos, those ISIS videos?

We'll talk about it on Abel against Toppat, but do you think those are staged? I think that part of it is, yes. Right? Because there's no way you can be ahead somebody with that little knife. No, and not that quickly either. Yeah, dismembering a person is very difficult and very time-consuming. No, and we're helping them make it. I wouldn't be surprised if you got fucking, what's his name, back there?

You got Francis Ford Coppola filming the whole thing. And Coppola's in on it? No, I think Tom Savica... I think Nicholas Cage would be asking for a role if Coppola was involved. No, they got Tom Savini back there working for him. They've got a gun to his daughter's head. Right. So fucking...

Do I like the thing? The cross gun from Desperado is like fully loaded and he's like, you know, we make these real. Anyway, I apologize. So catch him. Yes, so catch him talking about the Chechen military crisis. These Chechens, they held 800 people hostage. And the Moscow, the Russian military, they flooded this entire place full of gas, and the special forces went in and they ended up killing 130 citizens and trying to save

all of them. But catch him said, you know, it's been looked at by some skeptics as a kind of tragedy. They say, look, 130 people died. Well, I think that 130 is better than 800, and it's also better as a secondary consideration not to have blown up a beautiful theater. Oh, yes, that's right. You know, it was a shame when they tore the theater down that Abraham Lincoln was shot in.

It was a shame to see it go. Another scientist was a guy named Van Murray Sim and... This guy is amazing. He is a character. What was Ketchum's role, though, in the actual experiments? Was he the one who was giving all the doses of LSD? He was the lead scientist. He wasn't the guy in charge of the entire thing, but he was one of the main scientists.

And like I said, he's the one that's spoken out about it the most. In defense of it. In defense of it. And he's the guy who comes... I would argue he's the only one speaking out in defense of it. Because what he did was, because he likes to say a lot of stuff that the soldiers then refute, where he says that they were given ample time to ask questions, that there was a certain amount of blind testing that had to happen so they could not let them know exactly

what was going on all the time. He said that they technically had the ability to drop out, but no soldier would because they're trained to obey orders. And obey the superiors. And another thing with dropping out, and a lot of these people who were victims of these experiments, they had extreme psychological damage, but if they would have gone to the doctor, the doctor would have said, get out of here. You're out of the military.

It's like any other problem. Basically, all these guys were kind of promised, hey, when you're out of the army, we'll make sure you're okay after all this, but then none of them did. No, they were just giving a bunch of cardboard and crayons to write their homeless signs with. Yeah, there was zero follow-up as far as checking these guys out to making sure they were okay over the years, zero. So this guy, Van Murray Sim, known as, affectionately known as the Mengele of Edgewood. Then it's the most affectionately you can give that nickname.

You can technically call me Mengele of Fish Tacos, but only because of what I do to him. Yeah, sometimes you mix him with the beef tacos. Just to see what happens. And Van Murray Sim, he was special in the way that he made a point of trying every single drug before they were tested on soldiers. Well, he loved this shit. Oh, he loved it. Sometimes when he tested the drugs, all of the doctors at Edgewood would crowd around him,

and he would just sit there and say, Henry, I am trying to defeat the compound. He's a huge dude. He was like over six. You want to see, he's about kissle size. Yeah, he's like bigger than kissle, big muscular dude who was just nuts. And they said that he would just take all of these drugs. And the problem was that he would just rip apart the labs because they literally couldn't control him. Isn't this how the Green Goblin was created?

So this guy in 1953, he'd been working not only with the military, but also with the New York State Psychiatric Institute. He traveled to New York City, and he gave a bunch of this compound called EA 1298, which was a version of mescaline. The doctors who had a secret contract with the U.S. government injected it into a guy named Harold Blower, who was a professional tennis player. Now, that is a bad right turn for a professional tennis player. Technically, you should be doing like camera commercials like Audrey Agassi. And he was actually just in this institute just for depression. Never told that he was part of a military experiment, and what happened to him after he was given a stroke in this order, shock, coma, death. Yeah, he died.

He didn't go on to win Wimbledon, huh? Wimbledon. Wimbledon. You need to tell me, you kind of tennis player was an old Wimbledon. Wimbledon. And even the people at the institute, they didn't know what they were given this guy. Sim just walked up to him and was like, hey, give him this shit, see what happens. And since they had signed a contract, they had no choice but to do it. And one of the researchers actually said, this is a direct quote, he said, we didn't know whether it was dog piss or what it was that we was giving him.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. But also, the thing about these guys, too, is that, like you remember, every time these guys got a dose of something, it is 100 times more than what you would normally do. Like literally. It's pure. It's pure. Yeah. It's kind of like how when the government does tests on like marijuana, and they're big things, it's like people who smoke upwards of 10 marijuana cigarettes a day.

And I'm just like, if I smoke 10 joints a day, I wouldn't move. You might become a great rapper. You never know. I know, maybe. That was the thing with the monkeys and the marijuana experiment. They just filled that room. Yeah. They just hop box.

I mean, no one smokes like that. Liquid T, liquid LSD. Right. They're all loud of liquid LSD that's being forced into your face. Like, it is a great, again, great 4th of July. It's really not so much the drugs. It's just the surrounding, their surroundings well on these drugs. Yeah.

There was a hospital. We'll talk about this later. Definitely. It's all just, it's all horrible. And you're forced to be doing like weird activities. It's horrible. Yeah. We'll talk about it.

The Sim, he was famous for giving people LSD without any warning whatsoever. He'd mix them into cocktails at parties. He'd put it into the water supply. Some people bear- He's an arch-villain. No, more of a merry prankster, like a King Kessie type. Put an LSD in the water supply. That's insane.

Yeah. So one test subject that he had euphoria followed by severe depression, anxiety, and panic. Another test subject said that intelligent specialists said that he was blindfolded and placed in an isolation chamber. But not everything that Sim sampled was deadly. He used demoral constantly. Constantly. Constantly. He used LSD many, many times.

He used red oil, which we mentioned earlier. He used that a ton. He once mixed- A crystallized psilocybin. Yes. All this stuff. I love this crystallized psilocybin and just water and just drink. That's the drug that he's found in mushrooms.

And then he's like, everybody turned green that he saw. And I love this, like, I feel very light. Almost weightless. And for me, that's quite a trick. Oh yeah. Have you said man? Can you imagine also just being like, oh man, I gotta go out to coffee with Dr. Sim this afternoon. I better clear out my next three days.

Yep. I don't ever know what to mean. The water tastes like purple to you? So you better taste like purple. I put a whole bunch of purple on it. Oh, whoa. Down, down, down, down, down. I'm supposed to go to the fucking DMV, man.

Come on, man. You don't gotta drive when you're from Fly, my friend. You're through the store, man. So 1959, they took all responsibility for volunteers away from Sim. Yes. Yeah, all responsibility. They eventually gave him the title of chief scientist, which was nice. Your king of the scientists, and he's like, thank God, I've already made this crown of coffee stirs.

Only in the US government, when you continually mess up, you get promoted. Yeah. That's insane. How many times you poison people with mescaline and eventually become the boss. You're the chief now, so. So they transferred all control over to this guy, Colonel Douglas Lindsey. He was a Korean war veteran. He was an army surgeon, kind of a mash fella.

You know, he was out there in the Korean war taking care of people, athletic, small framed. He had dash mark lips. I don't know what that means. Thin lips. So we saw a lot of tragedy, but he always maintained a nice light sense of humor about it. He drove a pink convertible everywhere, always kept the top down, rain or shine. Whoa, hold on. What?

Yeah, always had the top down, no matter what. This guy was tripping balls. Yeah. He had a, I don't know, maybe do you guys know what a swagger stick is? I believe it's something like, remember, you know, like, like the 1920s and you see that tiny cane. It's like a tiny cane. Yeah. I think it's a tiny cane.

Yeah, if you bent, if you lean out of it, it just breaks immediately, but it's good for like, weapon people with. Yeah. He had one of those, but it made out of a human arm bone, a fibula. So he's in charge of the volunteers. Yeah. Yeah. He's in charge of the volunteers.

Yeah. All right, Mr. parachutists, every once in a while after lunch, you just jump out of the second floor window. Perfect, that's not disorienting at all. There's no way to just like, give a guy, you give a guy like a hundred doses of LSD and you just be like, excuse me, I gotta go out for a second and then just jump out the fucking window. So the chief of this entire thing has done more drugs than Hunter S. Thompson could possibly dream about. And then the higher a guy who has a bone for a cane, and then he just constantly jumps out the second floor window every now and again. Yeah.

Right. And he also used to play little pranks. He would just be casually having a conversation with someone. He'd have a combat. He had a little beaker of VX next to him. He'd be like, all right, well, let me show you what this does. And he'd just dip his finger into the beaker of VX. He'd rub it on the back of a shaved rabbit.

And then as the animal died, because it died very quickly, he'd just walk around the room and stick his finger in a martini glass and just kind of swish it around. And be like, mm, that's fine. Imagine having to put in off days for work with this boss and going up to him and just being like, hey, so I'm trying to go out to Wisconsin for a week to see my aunt or something.

So can you just sign this release and stuff? He's like, just wait here a second. And then he just jokes a fucking dog, man. Oh, never mind. Oh, I guess I could stick around. Vacation can wait. So a doctor that served under this guy, he said, this is what he said about him.

Hey, Henry, you want to take this one? I thought that they were crazy. I was going to New York and Colonel Lindsey tells me, how about taking a vial of nerve gas to New York to make a demonstration? And I'm looking at the guy and thinking, if I have an accident on the doorway, I could kill thousands of people, thousands of people.

I said, no, it's that simple. No, no, of course not. What are you talking about? And he doesn't even say if he's taken to make a demonstration. I just imagine him just stirring a martini. And he's got one of those pink bandolero hats on. And he's wearing just overalls with no clothes underneath it, just going like, hey, how about you get that nerve gas

and get to trip to New York, huh? Take on a vacation. Like licking his martini like a dog. It's like, I don't know if he's tripping so hard. His pupils have dilated to his whole eyeballs. His eyes have just fallen out of his head, and he constantly puts them back in. So as far as the psychochemical research at Edgewood goes,

as I said at the beginning, you know, these guys did Kevlar research. They did research on human respiratory systems. It was a relatively small part, but there was also just a bunch of weird shit going on. One day, this guy Ketchum walks into his office, finds a huge barrel sitting in the corner, an oil drum barrel. It's just sitting in the corner, has no idea why it got there,

or how it got there. So after a couple of hours. What's up? Is this a table? What is this? I don't care. Martini time, martini time. So after a couple of days, this curiosity

gets the best of them. A couple of days. A couple of days. Yeah, they're already guys, they're taught to not question things. At some point, you just look around and be like, where did we go wrong? What happened to us, guys?

So he finally, late one night, he opens it up, and he looks inside, and he found dozens of these small, little glass vials, and every single one of the vials had pure, filled to the brim with pure LSD, and he calculated later what the street value of this barrel was, a billion dollars. It also had 200 fake mustaches, a bunch of Vaseline, a bunch of the canaries, live canaries in there,

all just shit, because the idea was that you open the barrel, and the canaries fly out, and that first fucking trips you up. And then you got to dig through the fake mustaches, and be like, what the fuck is this barrel of fake mustaches? And then nothing but pure fucking trippy-dippy saliva town for yourself. And then at the end of the week, the barrel vanished.

No one said anything to him about it. No one told him what it was for, why it was there. Where did it go? I mean, fuck, I don't know, the water supply? Because that's the only, for that much, he said there was enough LSD to get several hundred million people high in one barrel. So cool, man.

So, I mean, who knows? Who was this when I was a Florida state? I know, this sounds like a- So not surprisingly, no matter what Ketchum or the other guys said, it was actually fairly difficult to get volunteers to this entire thing. So they actually, and this is another fuck-up that government has done, again and again,

is that they established monthly quotas to make sure they had enough research subjects. And any time you suggest quotas into any sort of government system, at all, any sort of system, then people that don't, you're going to lie to people. You're going to fuck with people and- Quarters have to get cut. And they have to make their quotas.

So they're going to do whatever it takes to make the quotas, which is telling them you're coming here to test summer clothing. You're coming here to, you're testing cough medicine. They started lying to these guys and not telling them what they were. And they would just show up into a doctor's office and get stuck with a needle.

And they would be like, what are you sticking me with? And they're like, that is classified. We can't answer that. And then they'd leave. Yeah, they'd tell them it would be human behavioral studies, equipment testing, medical research. And they'd always tell- They didn't lie to them. I mean, technically, no.

But it's like saying, I didn't cheat on you. I cheated with you, because you were in the same house. And they'd always tell them, you know what? You're going to get a bunch of shore leave. You're going to get three days leave. You're going to be a Maryland man. You can go to New York City. You can go to Washington, DC.

You can go to Boston if you want to. I would not go to New York right now. We just gassed the streets in New York. So you want to go to Boston, maybe. That would be good. Yep, and any time that they left the entire time, they'd get a letter of commendation. And not only that, they'd also get time away from Vietnam.

You get two weeks away from Vietnam, and they tell you, you're just going to be hanging out. You're going to get a shitload of leave. You're going to take that. And they say, you got to do is you got to put on like a gas mask hat. And you're going to be running around. No, it'll be fine.

Don't worry about it. Man, those guys were really damned if they do, huh? Damned if they don't. Vietnam or going and getting drugged up by the US government? I'll tell you, my dad had volunteered for Vietnam to get away from his horrible family. And then they just put him on a submarine looking at Cuba. And he'd literally live like a Mikhail's Navy.

They just played pranks and got drunk and a commander would just grind them in like Zabrowski. When they actually did tell them what that they were about to get something like fairly serious, I could say like, OK, we're going to give you this gas. However, the worst that's going to happen, you might get a runny nose. Your chest might be a little tight.

It'll be fine. Possible death. Yeah, and this guy, John Ross, in 1961, he said that he was given somen, which is another nerve agent. And he said, only when the needle was already in his arm did he overhear a doctor saying, you know what? That's actually lethal. That could be lethal.

He's like putting it in his head. Jensen, what is this thing? It's like, I don't know, I think maybe lethal. I'm not really sure. Anyway, you guys want to go out for lunch after this, sir? What was that? What was that? Oh, nothing, nothing, Mr. Ross.

Absolutely nothing. Don't worry, there's nothing there. I mean, there's kind of some kind of lethal about this. I'm not really sure what it is, but it's fine. It's maple syrup. We're putting maple syrup in you. So, Inter, do you want to read what John Ross said, what actually happened to him?

I started having convulsions. I started vomiting. One of the guys standing over me said, we gave you a little too much. They told me to walk it off. I started to panic. I thought I was going to die. And for years on, Dean Warmer came in and shut down

the whole operation. This animal house has to go. It really does have that kind of atmosphere. It has a frat house feel to the whole thing. It's a wacky, it's like a wacky MagCab John Landis movie. It really is. Yeah, but it just destroyed these guys' lives. Yeah, and on the next episode, we're

going to get into the actual LSD experiments. We're going to get into how badly these guys were fucked up for decades afterwards. And finally, the government getting a little bit of come up is for what they actually did. Yeah. All right, well, let's just leave it there. Very important stuff.

So yeah, so this week, I'm glad if you were sober, it's a good one to be sober for because you got some information. But next week, when that episode comes out, before you even fucking open up your computer, you're going to want to roll up a fucking thick, old horse leg for yourself. And put it down yourself into your throat hole

because we are going to trip you the fuck out. Because these guys tripped nuts. When you hear some of these testimonies, it's pretty fucking incredible. I mean, yeah, it honestly could be, it's either a rock and roll documentary like when Janice Joplin and the whole gang was on that train going through Canada.

I love that one. And they're just stoned off their asses or a terrible government military experiment gone awfully wrong. Yeah, and if you've ever done acid before, imagine doing acid in a tiny, concrete cube while an army guy asks you to do math. Right.

Well, I did do acid once in a tiny, concrete dorm room while my gay friend asked me why I found him attractive or did not find him attractive. Weird. That was, that's a bad, that's bad. It was fun. It was fun. I liked his hair, but I didn't like his,

didn't like his arm. Penis. You repeat it. I don't know. I forgot how I got out of that one. We watched a bunch of pro wrestling videos. Oh, here that's the same. See, that seems the wrong impression.

It doesn't matter, Henry. I was young. Well, yeah, that's it for this week. Don't forget to go to cavecomedyradio.com slash last podcast on the left and donate to the show. You can donate anything you want, even a dollar helps. But if you donate $25 or more or $40 or more for international orders, you get a free last podcast

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