Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 141: Andrei Chikatilo Part 1: Soviet Moods

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

It's the Butcher of Rostov on the next in our series of serial killer heavy hitters. On this, the first of two parts, we cover Andrei Chikatilo's life from his birth in the midst of the most brutal forced famine holocaust Russia ever saw to the moment he realized blood and murder was the only thing that would give him any sexual satisfaction.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Should we start the episode let's do it welcome to the show everyone that's Marcus Parks I'm Ben Kissel is always from Los Angeles for joined by I I Semi-nude Henry Zabrowski. I am currently in a pair of basketball shorts and nothing else I have sweat right let's say coursing through this my ridges. I'm gonna go out on a limb Henry Did you play basketball today?

No, you did not okay. I played the game called walk from the bedroom to the living room because it is a 109 degrees outside It's unforgivable. I saw a raccoon out there with a lemonade But then it had a seizure That's that that was it was in the throes of having some sort of brain tumor and it was acting like a person Well, you heard that right out of the mouths of Henry everybody sugar-free lemonade sugar-free lemonade Can you believe it? Gotta get the sugar-free otherwise you're gonna have a raccoon seizure. You're gonna have a raccoon seizure

Um, I am I am fucking hot here good and I I am gonna say yes And we were talking about a very special guest It's gonna be on this week's a to z that you don't know about yeah And I can't tell you even what the theme is about but I can't tell you that let's just say this man is No longer well-known, but right is a man that's saying a commercial parody theme song that struck the nation that Runs alongside topic-wise what we do here at last podcast on the left would it be about ghosts or busting them or shut your

Shut your fucking mouth NBC NBC lawyers are literally just gonna literally helicopter in through my fucking My roof like the way the AT does yeah the way the ATF went through the Waco home Yeah, it's me just down here with me with my four wives in their gingham dresses and the NBC lawyers are gonna take our fucking shoes Well, you're so hot over there in Los Angeles, so let's get transported to a much different land with a much different temperature The freezing cold land of Russia today. Oh, yes, and we got a big hitter today Finally, oh wait, oh, I caught a fireball. I caught a shit. Oh my god. Is this a child's uterus? Different kind of baseball that's the old Russian pastime of hitting a child's uterus out of the park

Andre chickatello we're talking about a butcher of rust off Andre the no-bone zone chickatello this literally Yeah, pretty much as we'll go in and we'll discover this is all about something Viagra could have solved Oh, yeah, the Pfizer company was around and Viagra heard about mr. Chickatello's issues I don't think we would have so many dead people Lining the streets of Russia 56 dead women and children between 1978 and 1990 in the Russian Soviet Federation socialist Republic and so rolls right off the tongue

Absolutely, he was a the most prolific Soviet serial killer He was known as the butcher of rust off the red ripper the rust off ripper Also known as no no fun mr. Uncle man So I was researching this and I went to sleep and I literally had this Nightmare that was so vicious and I never have nightmares normally when I have nightmares I see something scary my dream and I'm like fucking cool, right because I think because that's how my brain works now But I had a dream where I accidentally killed a baby And it fucking ruined my day ruined your entire day even huh like I woke up like literally because it was me

I had accidentally dropped a baby down a flight of stairs and a baby rolled down a flight It's really I mean yes, it's Mark's brother Z The woman's shrieked and screamed and then Eddie pulled me aside and was just like buddy. Just get out of here There's no video. They can't prove you did it. It's all against hers. It was pretty great I mean why'd the woman hand you the baby? It's her fault. It's on the mother um, so this andrey ticotillo is I would say a combination To be honest between btk and ramirez And he's also got a fair amount of uh, gacy in him as well

I mean this guy he's a hodgepodge of everybody. Yeah, you know, yeah, he really is I don't think I mean, I know that you did mention the gacy thing earlier Marcus as well But I can't see him clowning and I and I can't really see him holding down a steady um, government job with the amount of dedication that btk had to his craft of basically just being a paid annoyance Well, this guy Well, uh, andrey ticotillo was an ardent communist This is a guy who believed 100 in the ideals of uh, linen Stalin and all the other various, uh, russian leaders out there. He was a government worker all throughout his life

And he definitely had a lot of the same personality traits as denis raider not liked by anyone Right. No, he was liked by no one. He was considered perfectly average But what he had what he had was this thing was he really did believe he was superior to people um, and It's just the brutality of his crimes. I went through I I walk I watched a bunch of It was like, you know, weird slideshows of hit the murder victims like all the different crime scene photos And they are fucking brutal. He was a monster and he was the perfect He was the perfect predator and the fact that he looked like again very similar to sort of like an albert fish where he looked like

Kindly grandfather Like sort of unassuming man and that's how he got his victims He basically would call them out into the forest and then he'd give them stabby stab And then he would do a shooty shoot in his in his fucking probably white government issue russian whitey tidies That's right. So next time you go and meet your grandfather kids, uh, check under his nails for blood See if there's any dried blood there, but uh, let's go into what created this monster These are a lot of traits that we're going to talk about here in his childhood Similar to a lot of other serial killers that we've covered in the past. Absolutely. He was born in 1933, I believe

Uh in uh, the uh, ukraine, uh, there were when he was born He had lesions on his brain. He had water on his brain bit of a water baby So he had the head injuries that a lot of them had right, uh, how does that water get there? What is it too humid in the womb? What happens? That is funny. They need to dehumidify her. Yeah, get it in there water babies. I mean Fix up your room. He was born in the town of Yabluckney. Yeah. Yeah, what was that town? Yabluckney? Yabluckney? Insoumi. Yabluckney? Yabluckney? Insoumi all blust? I'm gonna tell. Yabluckney? I'm gonna even know me

I'm gonna say that to somebody who cuts me in line while I'm waiting to buy a candy bar. Yabluckney What are you doing? Get behind me. Also, let's just say that Yabluckney was not necessarily a surfin town. No I mean, it wasn't like a it wasn't a summer getaway. Not a san diego The save by the bell cast weren't going there for a random spring break situation. Oh, no Andrei Chickatello lived and grew up uh in some of the most bleak cities and uh country sides that soviet russia had to offer in the 20th century He was born in the middle of what was eventually known as the holodomor

Which means extermination by hunger. Yes, and it was Stalin imposed this with like well, they were basically There was the forced collectivization of agriculture So everybody that was working everybody worked for the government and anybody who grew anything had to send it to the main hub And Ukraine got the least of it So when he was where he was growing up, this is the first instance We're gonna really see this in a big hitter Is it like yes, a lot of these people have like child abuse and stuff like that, but he was literally born during a holocaust Like he was born in the middle of like

People were eating each other when I mean this is child abuse on a on a grand scale If you're a true communist, you believe the government should Fill the role of your parents and this is a very abusive government But uh, but the interesting thing is yeah, what you were talking about with collectivism The only reward is they get to farm a little bit more Yeah, they didn't think it paid, but they're like and you can work even a little bit harder and grow your own carrots Yeah, but his parents received absolutely no wages for their work The only thing that they got was exactly what he said. They got the right to cultivate a plot of land right

No seeds or help doing it The right and in this holocaust they say anywhere between 1.8 and 12 million Ukrainians died in this they really don't know exactly how many Uh died but him and his sister, I mean they survived by eating leaves. They ate grass Anything wrong. He grew up in enormous hardship But despite this was still an ardent communist love communism Believed in the soviet ideal for his entire life He believed that again if he followed the programming and did what he had to do that he would that it's fair

That the comp that the like kind of you can see the seeds of his psychosis already being planted here Where he was kind of brought up with this idea of that no matter what it is fair and it's taken care of And then basically you're gonna find out that he got he constantly got the short end stick Never mind the fact that his dick didn't work. Well, and that's really the the stick that the shortest stick of all The saddest thing about the whole story, but it's very similar to what the people feel in north korea They think it's their fault that they're starving. They think it's their fault They're not getting ahead and they don't realize that they have no chance from the very beginning Oh, yeah, and this is the worst town in russia. I mean the best town in russia looks like that movie that matt forte was in

uh, nebraska, uh, that's like that's like a metropolis for the soviet union This is the worst like it was the best town in russia looks like it's frozen in 1977 But the worst town in russia looks like um, they're there. I mean, they're still digging like potatoes at a rock farms, right? The hard potato farms with chicken till as he grew up. He was constantly told by his mother Uh, a story she said that his older brother who was born before him had been kidnapped and cannibalized By starving neighbors Now go to sleep. Uh, andrew andrew now go to sleep Andre, are you asleep yet? Stepan was eating like chocolate by mr. Zebra

And then like, you know, and then just a picture of step on on the wall and just him with golden braids And he's super fat and he was just like Oh, golden to possibly eat another sausage. And they were like everybody's just watching like Like he was kim karnashians, but that's the everything everything in russia is slightly more depressing than it here is here in the states We had like three little pigs. That's kind of disturbing. Yeah, I think theoretically, uh, you know what three little pigs and then um, Little red riding hood. Yeah, you know, there's a wolf ate a Her grandmother. Yeah ate the grandmother. It was fine. You know, they sewed up They'd cut her out sewed up his stomach full of rocks through him in the river. That's not that bad, but it's not your older

Brother was eaten by neighbors, right? And I was also pretty traumatized by the fact that I never got that ghost buster's firehouse Yeah So we understand where he's coming from So keep it in step with a lot of other serial killers, of course He was abused by his mother, uh, fairly badly And he was a bed wetter Uh, which is another thing that we see in serial killers and his mother used to beat him every single time that he wet the bed Uh, and and how else are you gonna make it super shameful?

Right, right You know, you gotta beat him guys out there who's got if you have kids remember that if you're if they're wet in the bed If they got a hinge head injury make sure you dress them in a dress and tell everybody that you bought them from from a Whorehouse for a buck at a bubblegum I mean in chicatello's defense the bathroom was probably just old pig bones that was like in the corner of the living room or something You know, he's like, well might as well just pee here. We're in the middle of the homodivor You got to be saving that pee and drinking it. Am I right? Come on

Oh, so you think it was his mother These spoiled kids back in my day. We didn't waste any urine So in addition to growing up in the whole holo demore, uh, he also Uh lived through the german occupation of soviet russia during world war two, which was Particularly brutal. Yes. I mean wait a second I thought that they were part of the nazi playground swing brigade that would go in and install playground swings and and jumpy horses for the kids They didn't they didn't they didn't get that program. No, you read you read the wrong pamphlet No, no, he was no he was more in the uh, german soldier comes in and rapes my mother and she has an illegitimate child by him

Um, um part of the german occupation. He's program c Yeah, different. He must have he must have checked off the wrong box when they got the paperwork Every day life for him was corpses blood, uh body parts everywhere Uh, he watched him and his mother watch their little hut get burned down Uh, and of course, you know, his mother was raped by german soldiers He lived through all this stuff in the entire time his father was being kept in a concentration camp Having surrendered to the germans, which of course later on andre would blame Uh, some of his, uh, you know, I guess unsuccessful

Ventures into the soviet world on his father being a pow captive of the germans But that was just sort of the first russian version of that television show, uh, the home show the renovation show where the This old house? No Where the guy says move that truck and then they show everyone their brand new house Oh, I thought I thought it was the other russian show my raped mom. Yeah, no that one. It was only on the air for 17 seasons um But the other thing uh, but but about the basically Stalin had a policy during his time because his father

Was a lot basically they viewed anybody who was a prisoner of war as having allowed themselves to be taken prisoner traitors So he they it was such a shame to have been imprisoned and survived They thought that anybody soviet soldiers should either win or die. Well, the policy was also They also had the policy where the you at the soviet troops were aiming all their weapons at the farmers The russian farmers being like, you know fight or die, you know, it was a real damned if you do situation Yeah, there was a big reason why russia had the largest casualties out of any army in world war two something 11 million somewhere around there. There was 20. It was a 20 It was a ridiculously high number the russians have very little uh regard for life as far as their soldiers

And I will and because of their natural stores of plutonium a lot of these people are sigmes twin So what we're looking at is sometimes people count as two 40 million 40 40 Everyone knows it so in september of 44 chickatillo started going to school very shy very studious actually extremely intelligent He was able to memorize long strings of meaningless numbers They just give him a like he was able to memorize pie up until a very high decimal point They would just give him these long strings a number to say like andre repeating back to us kind of like a little parlor trick Unfortunately extremely nearsighted

Couldn't see the blackboard So school for him was a very stressful place, especially considering that he was bullied quite a bit. Yeah I can't imagine why though It seems like he was mr. Personality, especially when he when he couldn't get glasses because the russian glasses back in the day Were just bigger letters And if you couldn't get the letters bigger like let's say, you know because the chalk was too busy being used to um feed babies That they can't uh, you know, that's the problem. So he had a hard time seeing he had a hard time in school So he was like he was a Linus type character. He had the stink lines coming off of him. Everyone knew he was poor

Now, you know what he could have used was pox Pog's got me a lot of friends when I was in middle school Pokemon might have helped him out a little bit You know So one uh of the kids one of his bullies they claimed that his breasts were too big Uh, and they all called him baba, which is a derogatory derogatory term for women And it's stuck. So he was known as baba the big titty boy for For a very very long time. It's literally taken me back I know man

If it wasn't for comedy, you know, Jesus christ the sheer abuse. I mean I had lard. I had um Visible bosoms at a young age as well. Everybody did everybody. It's so weird to think Everybody did Kevin Barnett from the round table people just called him titty. I believe for a little while He didn't particularly enjoy that And now he's got a television show anywhere. It's very loose shirts. Yeah Uh, another kid happened to take get a look at a chickatillo's penis while he was peeing one day Started making fun of the shape of his foreskin And that got around the school

So now everyone's making fun of the shape of his foreskin. So he's got big titties and he's got weird foreskin Yes, these are two things that are very sensitive for a young boy to have to deal with yes Yes, absolutely This is like I want to ask this question about if we have Russian listeners or people like it seems like these kids Start fucking in Russia really early. Yeah, and that they are very sexually aware really early because this is also where That because he became known for being impotent During this time period where it's just like our kids just fucking by the age of 12 I mean, they didn't exactly have uh, the voice to go home and watch

You know, they were there was an american idol. There was nothing to do fucking in vodka. That's pretty much it Fucking in vodka and just everybody's just getting like a finger popped in the back of like buy like buy like a fucking the cart full of yams And it's all just like everyone's been like, oh sarka sarka stand still I have to finger your rosebud before we are turned into soup And it's like is that cool? Is that good? Is that like it's the sandlot for them? Horridor that's the name of it. Uh, the halabdmore halabdmore halabdmore I think their state bird is just fucking in vodka and everyone's like, that's not a bird. They're like, I don't know anything else Also, the halabdmore halabdmore is not exactly the poppiest name

If they really needed to have if they wanted more awareness, it should have been called like Hunger is now Yeah, now is hunger. I mean they need like a PR guy It sounds like a place that Frodo and Sam are trying to go to and yes, there's a ringing ball It does sound like a harry potter like gymnasium We must pass through the swamps of halabdmore. Yeah, Sam just picks up a drinking problem token story just derails Frodo's just fucking all the chicks into in town The chick-a-tilla grew up to be pretty big dude

In fact, uh, when he was a teenager his nickname was andre sella, which means andre the strong andrew the strong This is what I was better. I'm sorry. It's better than when you remember when David Koresh was called mr. Rattardo This is a better nickname I mean, it sounds like she was wearing a towel for a cape and have a Random sponge that he throws at kids every time he's jelly becomes 10 times his size That's my power sponge But this is what's so great about this This was a fairly short time period before he went from, you know, baba the big, uh, breasted boy to uh, to uh,

Andre the strong the strong man. Yeah. Yeah I mean 14 and I don't think he gave himself that nickname. They gave it to him. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah I mean, he was able and he uh started getting a manual labor in 1952 At the age of 16. He worked at a brick factory all summer. That was the fun job. Yeah on your block Unfortunately part of a wall fell down on him, which may have contributed to a head injury And then the next summer he worked on a collective farm Uh, and he was using a horse-drawn rake, uh, and that also fell on him. Everything was falling on him Oh, this guy

Well, the age of 16, I was working in Hollywood video. So I think I understand his plight Did you ever have a wall of videos fall on you? No, no, but I did see Uh, do you remember that outcast that that movie where it's like they're they're teaching each other to snowboard the outsider That was a travesty So, you know, he graduated, uh, he was the only person from his collective farm to complete high school Uh, and he graduated 1954 great grades, uh, and he was such an ardent Communist that when Stalin died he cried. He was sad. Yeah, and this is a man who instituted This is how weird his thought process was because this is the man that instituted policies that, uh,

Uh, resulted in him having to eat grass and leaves. He said that he didn't eat bread until he was 12 But he believed in communism so strongly that there was this weird cognitive dissonance with him Yeah, um, but john Wayne gasey kind of suffered from the same thing You know, like this is the idea. It's like because they believe it's that being a part of the communist party would make you Like a big man He always had this superiority complex and he thought at the time because that's kind of what the the Basically the propaganda was is that if you join up with the with the company and you work with state You're they're going to take care of you, but of course they just forgot about ukraine. Yeah, of course

So of course as we mentioned many a many a time, uh impotence that was the Defining factor in andre ticketellos life You can you see that from now on and again I guess goes back to prove the theories that as soon as the violent impulse is connected to the sexual impulse these guys are done Yeah, absolutely. Uh like at the age of 17 This was the the very first incident where he started to make that connection He jumped on an 11 year old friend of a younger sister

Yeah wrestled her to the ground and as the girl just struggled just came in his pants Right, and that's called and that's called making a strudel And that's an old term that you people used to see. I was like any single time, you know, I was just like, oh What's old andre doing? I said, oh, he's out making strudels You know and it's just uh Girls just had to cover themselves in yak milk. So they'd be too slippery to be anywhere near him. Well, you know, I mean Andy Kaufman did a very similar thing

What it was the only way that Andy Kaufman could come. Oh, literally wrestling women All he would do is jump on him and grind on him. So at this point, I mean, he's just on his way to be sort of an abstract artist You know, he just he just needs a comic strip to open up or or giggles to open up down the street. He'd crush The man was absolutely terrified of women If a girl sat next to him in class, he'd move And you also start to see at this time this connection that he has that comes later with equating sex With shame. Yeah, but not shame on himself shame with other people that because he'd look at them

He was kind of like this thing because like I remember going through a period where I was like, you know Bigger and kind of would have dark thoughts and start thinking about stuff like that where you're just like, like, oh, yeah They're in love. Isn't that nice and he'd basically just like watch people just being like, you're in You love each other. Well, I got nothing, you know, it's just like just pull on him just fucking spaghetti strand and he's got nothing going on downstairs and It makes a man angry. Yeah, you remember going through that time or you're you're going through that time Yeah, all I do is what I my big thing is I like to go to dog parks And what I do is I make tuna sandwiches and I just fucking throw them at couples walking dogs

And the dog loves it. I'm sure a dog's are having a great time. Yeah, I guess to eat all that tuna sandwich Yeah, Chick-Tel was he was a good-looking guy. He had no problem getting Well, I mean he was I'd go as far again. All of good. Okay. Let's a warmer door or whatever the name of his town was Remember the context Henry. We're talking Soviet Russia. We're talking 1950s Russia here by those standards Andre Ticketillo good-looking guy. It was like no picture ever looked like, you know, like an American Eagle ad You know, I mean that never accidentally happened over there

Well, he had he was good-looking enough where he could still get women to once he eventually got over that initial fear He could still get women to, you know, at least get to the point of possibly having sex with him But he just couldn't ever Stay hard. Well, he was a hell of a chef hell of a cook And girls tease him about it all the time just constantly every time that he couldn't get hard the girls would always tease him about it Which that just built up the rage inside of him And we'll say if you're on a date with a guy and he takes you home and then you find out

He's got a very small penis or he can't get hard laugh after Get out after then then just laugh very concerned with be very concerned and supportive in his presence And then you can call him Pickle Dick, right? Pickle Dick for the rest of his life. Yeah, totally Everyone will be on your side because it's just a friend of mine went home with a fella who had a micro penis And uh, man, she was a real actress that night. Yeah, because I mean you just want to laugh You have but you have you have to be sensitive. No, you got to absolutely Well, also the the story of Gumby was loosely based on the life of andre Ticketillo Well, it was based on his penis. I believe yes. Well, he it wasn't all

Sadness and you know, soviet moods for andre in 1957 Soviet mood soviet moods needs to be a candle set Maybe let up that soviet moods the sounds of like rocks being tumbled down the down a fucking weird oil filled gully And then Oh, my yak is blind Like he did make one friend Uh, and this is a man who really didn't have any friends throughout his life There were some people that he worked with later on that didn't mind him

But it seems like the only friend he ever had was an austrian guy that he met at a uh, international youth festival in Moscow in 1957 he had a pen pal the thing about him that's interesting He was going out and trying to meet people. Yeah very much like dommer opposite of the man that you have on your t-shirt ed Gein, yes, you know It was more of a shut-in kind of a just a grave robber for the most part other than the two kills Oh, yeah, but um, but he did try to be social Yeah Well, it's because he was kind of raised that he just kind of thought that he could do it like because that was his whole thing

That's why he got into the getting into his own education And that's what he said and that's why he joined the army, which we'll talk about soon is that he was a He thought he could better himself because he thought he was a genius He kind of had that btk syndrome where he just thought that he he was better than everybody else And that eventually that became poisonous and and like btk who worked for the state and like uh, again Gacy who was a democrat by the way, of course, uh, that's the closest thing to a communist that we have here in america Um, but they feel like if they have the power of the state behind them, they can get away with anything Yeah, absolutely and as far as his mindset goes he suffered

He was eventually diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, which we see in borderline Yeah, we see that in a lot of serial killers. Is that like personality borderline? Is that like the Madonna song borderline? Yes Exactly like the Madonna song borderline. I'm just saying if you're a doctor in this situation go full-on personality disorder Why borderline it? No borderline is the name of the personality disorder. Oh, I see. Okay. Um, I hate to say this, uh, mr. Chikotelo, but we've got your test back and apparently you've got frowny fever Best doctor, it's also also followed up with a case Terribly, I'm a spaghetti pants. I'm sorry. You have you have spaghetti pants. I'm very sorry. So you're saying I'm I'm depressed with

Elliptic. Yes. Oh, but borderline personality disorder. It's definitely marked by an extreme inability to form Relationships with other people their emotions are extremely turbulent They see signs where signs aren't there. They get overly attached to people Every once in a while and in extreme cases it can definitely Lead to violence. I went to date at a girl with borderline personality disorder There was an eyes involved at one point. It's like they said the same time is very similar to being like a diagnosed psychopath Where they talked about I've been reading this great book called the psychopath test Which we when we kind of covered a bit of it when we took the side the aversion of the psychopath test like two years ago

On last podcast, but the big thing they say about psychopaths is when you test them Basically, they were they were doing this series of tests and what they would do is warn them They were going to get shocked and they took people that were diagnosed as psychopath And people who were not and basically gave them a countdown and they measured their brain waves as they were about to receive the shock And basically a normal person would experience apprehension before the shock happened But a psychopath would not they would literally just sit there calmly and then go and he said they would let out a form of shriek And they literally just go like ah And then they would be fine

But they said that the way their brains are it's like so it's again Andrey chikotillo suffered from this thing of like with them, you know, they say when you read like symptoms of being a psychopath If you feel nervous that you're that you are seeing these symptoms pop pop up in your own life You are not a psychopath. Yes, because you're feeling nervous. Well, I would call it I would just call it the uh put me in coach syndrome because it seems like something a great middle linebacker in the nfl would have You know and be like, I know I'm gonna get hurt. Yeah Yeah, put me in coach So Andrey joined the army compulsory

Military services, you know all Russian men had to go through at the time But this when he's in the army, this is when he really gets his first taste of violence and sexuality together He was on a date with the girl. He started cuddling her. She told him stop I don't want this but as she tried to push him away He just squeezed harder and harder and the more that she struggled and the more she screamed The more turned on he got and of course eventually and I will be saying this sentence a lot ejaculated in his pants He did a lot of ejaculating into his pants. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. He was making strudels all over Russia

This was also known as the ben kissle maneuver. I mean, I've never come a day in my life I'm constantly hard though I went to the wrong warlock when I was 17 So after he got out of the army, uh, he went back to his native village to live with his parents Started dating this girl who was divorced from her husband But in the course of a three-year relationship, he could never, uh, get it and get an erection could never achieve intercourse And so the girl like innocently just asked her friends like hey, like how do I get them hard? Like he won't get hard. How do I do it?

And of course as soon as she asked her friends this the word that chickatillo couldn't get a hard on spread all around the village immediately And uh, he tried to kill himself because of it. He tried to hang himself But I I feel like that happens so often in your block now It's like not even that's what he said But he says here who's he was like godless for going behind my back. What is borrowing that I was impotent I was so ashamed. I cried to hang myself. My mother had some young neighbors pulled me out of the moose I heard the run away from there away from a cumberland

homeland Did you say cumberland you said homeland you said no you said cumberland That's russia though. I mean the machismo culture, you know Yeah, women want you to be hard all the time over there. That's where they drink so much whiskey Just to let it go to sleep ever now and again or vodka rather vodka Oh, yeah, and of course after this incident. He said he had to move out of his homeland He had to move he had to move because he had erectile dysfunction. He had to move To russia from the ukraine into mainland russia

He got a job as a communications engineer in rostov-on-don She was a moving on up theme. Yeah, the jefferson's if you would mark us When you said that I just pictured his penis trying to get hard so bad You would have hated that song. Oh, yeah So rostov to give a bit of a background on this town rostov would be where Andrei would commit the majority of his murders over than over from 1978 Uh to 1994 rostov was a bleak 92 92 92 bleak bleak even by soviet standards. It was a bleak town. It wasn't a beautiful metropolis

What? No, it was said in russia that uh, if odessa is the mother of crime then the rostov is its father right, I mean So sad Going back to this woman that ratted him that ratted him out for not being able to get his bone up Uh out of out of all the disgusting russian men that were around here constantly trying to bang her with huge hardons Don't you think she would have appreciated a more sympathetic penis? Absolutely not as you'll see as you'll start seeing once we really get into his victims and the type of women that he eventually

Uh started, you know killing, uh, then you'll see that that the attitude of it's really in soviet russia at this time It's really strange because there's a very puritanical attitude towards sex going on Outwardly, but as far as people just actually fucking it happens a lot Like they used to use the turn like the euphemism at the time was relaxing. Let's go. Let's go somewhere and relax Maybe you just took it literally Well rostov was it's one of those places in russia where it's a magnet for all the smaller settlements around it So it's a very transient town. There are people constantly coming in and out So it makes it very difficult for police to track people

So someone may be in the town for a week and then they'll leave so Uh, it's the perfect place for someone like andre to kill as many people as possible You're gonna find out later down the line. He got a perfect job too, which took him from took him traveling all over remote parts of russia So that he was committing crimes all in a huge space Yeah, uh, because he was traveling by public transportation on these weird tuchu trains run on fucking tubers, I don't know what yeah, I think it was tuba like being pulled by men Attached by chains. I don't rush. It was bad. It's a bad, but you know, I mean, um, it's interesting He worked at a brick factory and of course another person who was very good at building bricks hh homes any time

And of course he had just fluid people coming, you know in and out and then of course he was traveling as well So it is a perfect storm if you want to kill especially back then where everyone wasn't tracked like they are now With the facial recognition software takes all of our photos from the selfies that we're all taking I know what's happening. We all know So of course once he gets to rostov his troubles with women don't start and it is another thing that he shares with btk He's definitely a fucking nerd At one point He found a woman that he very much liked he had a big crush on her

But instead of telling her that he liked her he instead wrote an article for the local newspaper praising her as a model worker That's very romantic. Well, let's just say that is technically the russian That's the russian okcuban. Yes, it's you write a you write a very Stoutly worded Recommendation to the community newsletter. I mean in his head. He's like step one. I'll do this I'll write this letter and then local newspaper about how beautiful this woman is if that doesn't work I'll tell her how many numbers I know of pie So I really hope the newspaper

Russell with her till I come into my pants. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay I probably do probably go back to option three there. Well option four was masturbating constantly. Okay, uh, which he Did and anytime he was struck with the urge He had to masturbate immediately his uh job at the point at this point was communicate or communications engineer Which he worked on repairing telephone lines quite a bit and he did that in the woods quite often Which the woods would eventually become the place where he felt most comfortable killing people So it's at this time that it's possible that that connection between sex and the woods was made because he would just wander off Into the woods to masturbate, but one day unfortunately the nearsightedness that we mentioned earlier

Got the best of him as he walked away from his workers who were having a bit of a lunch break And he thought that he was out of sight because he could not see them Well, he put on his invisibility cloak, which we see urinated on his pants and he got that from the wild to the wild fields of a mold of horror from even his magical fucking realm that he's lived in So unfortunately, they could still very much see andre, uh, and he started openly masturbating in the woods Uh, at which point the group leader saw him and yelled Andre goes into the woods to masturbate No, that is not clever. It's not clever. They're russians again. This whole thing it feels like a bit

from a marx brothers like the most depressing marx brothers movie where the marx brothers Are forced to eat their youngest marx brother as babies and then now they're they work for a brick factory and they masturbate in the woods Loses his glasses. I mean he should have just looked at him and been like who's hard now Who's hard who's hard now, man He could have played it up. Nothing. Nothing makes men respect you more Oh, yeah, why are you looking at me? I mean, I feel like he could have had that counter argument in both situations with the foreskin and the masturbation Why are you looking at me guys? Why are you looking at my dog? You know, he was not clever at comebacks. No, no

Very embarrassed, man. Very easily embarrassed. I will say that is an embarrassing thing to get caught doing It is extremely embarrassing to get caught masturbating in the woods on your lunch break. Yeah Yeah On the lunch break. Yeah It's hard. That goes on the progress report. Yeah, that's not gonna that's not gonna miss the fucking the evaluation sequence Also, he's starting to kind of sound like a comedian who travels for work. Yeah. Oh, I will say The 1963 he finally gets married to a woman called fiodosia old nativa I also put this out there. He's in fido fiodosia lovely woman

Hmm falls into the serial killer like sort of the the normal Category for the serial killer beard wife, which is known as um, she's handsome Right, you know, let's put it that way. She's she's a handsome woman. Right Right. I mean, it is very interesting. I like that There is a similarity there serial killer beard. Yeah, that that is definitely a real thing And he used this woman as his beard for years and years and years in a number of different ways It was he described as pretty much an arranged marriage. He got married to her two weeks after he met her It was set up by his younger sister and her husband

And of course he couldn't fuck his wife anymore that he could fuck any other woman He did father to children by her But the only way he was able to do that was by jerking off into his hand and then sticking his Uh, semen stained fingers in her vagina. Holy shit. That gets a woman pregnant. Yeah. Oh, no And in russian that's called a brush gurglish, which means um, it means uh putting putting in the mail slot loosely Yeah And so it's at this time that you know his the urges that he has his fantasies start getting stronger and stronger He can't it's almost starting to become unbearable because nothing's happening with his wife

Uh, and he's starting to feel ineffectual. Of course the soviet ideas that he had the soviet ideals that he had As we said earlier, uh, it it's strength above all that you are the soviet state gives you strength You are a superhuman you two can be the man of steel. Everyone is equal So if you are equal to sullen, then you are also a superman Uh, so eventually it just kind of developed into like strength for strength sake It's they had a very like core ape like brain That's also one of the reasons they lost the work is all of their tanks were so massive and clunky and stupid And they used so much gasoline that they were completely ineffective. Yeah, but they like the noises

They love the noise. Oh, that's a big one. Ah, yeah, I love that big one I mean, they're just like neanderthals these guys I will say that they are they were a very brave people during world war two. They just um Um, um, they were just all fucked up So 1970, uh, he did a correspondence course. He got his degree in russian literature Uh, and started just being able to read the pamphlet that they handed you at the time, right? Uh, and then uh after he before right before he got the degree he uh managed regional sports activities for about a year He was a manager of regional sports activities in russia. Yes

Hmm, what what which is called like? Yeah, it was a kick gasoline canister to nearby mine factory And um, love that another great sport, which was just called like man with no legs is dragged by cart It's sort of the old chariot races there. Yeah, well, you know It's appropriate that you mentioned mines because he eventually got a job in a town called Nova shucks niske Nova shucks tinsk Nova shucks tinsk nothing is like the beautiful hills and valleys at Nova shucks kinsk Right. Oh beautiful. No shots kinsk. You know how much fun it is to almost the four puddles of water there I love it. I've just been really appreciating the name wyoming throughout this entire episode

Uh, and yeah, and these were all mining towns the there was a neighboring town called shakty Which shakty just means mines? That's believe it believe me. I'm My favorite town in california is this great place. It's just called porter potties and what it is It's just four porter potties and a guy called himself from the mayor sitting on top of the porter potties And he says this is he's like this is the sister city to our place in a place called In russia that also means porter potties porter potties. That's great, but it's just a bunch of beds there in russia So of course chicken tillo was a terrible teacher. He was awful. He didn't relate to the children

What? He's no bill neither science guy I thought you'd find funny anecdotes and like creative ways to inform people about science Yep, it's a special book. We have one read. It's called how to grab boy Oh, how to grab struggling girl and make make shoot shoot in your crocky pants. Uh, this this is supposed to be math 101 Everybody read the pamphlet Okay, chicken tillo Of his students uh described him as introverted uninterested and unpleasant the three worst things you could describe a teacher as

Uh, colleagues hated him. Uh, and one of the reasons why they really didn't like him and apparently this is a way to cause distrust in russia Is that he didn't like vodka. He wouldn't go out and drink with him after work and he rarely rarely drank Uh, that's what they said. I was one of the investigators. I was watching this great the biography channel doc on on chicken tillo And they were talking about how like his wife was actually pretty happy with him when they were married because they were in literally this detective He's like, well, you know, uh, he didn't beat her and he wasn't drunk all the time Which they happened to be uh the status for the russian husband during the 1960s I think if he could have just communicated the what he liked because he could get hard But he just wanted to grind and wrestle. I mean a woman would be okay with that

Yeah, I mean but at the time like that that's that's the weird thing about sexual repression in societies that at the time It was easier for him to rape and murder a woman in order to come than it was to tell your wife Hey, I like things a little rough. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't get maxim back then. Yeah, that's true There's no porn hub or anything. He was just giving her the old sweaty palm Sperm inside of it. It's yeah, so in 1973, uh, that's when chickatillo committed his first sexual assault on one of his pupils Uh, him and a lot of his pupils were uh swimming around in a pond uh in shakhti Now they mean gas canister filled with dirty water, right? Yes. Yes. Yes, that's russia Uh, so he swam towards a 15 year old girl groped her, uh, breasts and genitals

Uh, and the more she screamed the more exciting he found it So he just touched her more and more got her closer and closer until she screamed until of course he Ejaculated into his pants. Uh, I would say this if you do meet mr. Chickatello act like he's a bee stand still Don't say anything. Just stand still. He'll leave eventually The other thing to do is just go like Oh I like it

That's enough that makes him softer or do what Arnold Schwarzenegger did in the great feature film predator cover yourself in mud again Don't move Uh, he uh in another incident, uh girls say he would just stand there. He would act like he's like, oh, I'm sorry Is this the girl's dorm? I didn't realize you girls are undressing for bed And then he just stand there with his hand in his pocket. Obviously masturbating while looking at him Oh, he was doing the old porkies Yeah, uh, and by the way, he wasn't disciplined for Any of these okay, but let's get into that because that's what's super interesting. Yeah, he was it well before we get into that

There's one more incident another time he uh, there was a girl that was a problem student He kept her after class and he whacked her in the small of the back with a ruler until he ejaculated into his pants His pants again And that's actually that's a one pair of pants. Yeah, there are multiple pairs of pants I think he's just got the one and he just you don't want to see him when they're inside out And uh, he wasn't disciplined for this either And this is a very interesting thing because as we'll see uh over the course of these next couple episodes

Is that the reason why chikotillo was able to operate for so long had a lot to do with the soviet system the collectivization of The soviet peoples and the types of things that they would do this school if they would have reported chikotillo sexual assaults Since it was a collective They would all be punished for it If someone did if someone did something good then everybody would reap the benefits But if one person did something bad then they would all be punished for it specifically the director of the school So they would just shuffle him around. Yeah, I mean honestly

It's it's not too dissimilar to the view that uh, the catholic religion has with the priest So it's the idea of like if we out because the reason why they hide these priests is because if we out them Everyone's going to start viewing us as a sea of molesters, right? And um, what they just don't understand is that we already know they're just a sea of molesters I mean they didn't even shuffle him around. He just went to another area where they had never heard of them. There was no Uh, you know, there was no communication between these schools. He gets fired at one school He just goes to another one and they wouldn't even really they wouldn't even farm They just say like all right

We either resign or or you're fired one of the two just get out of here Well, it's about it's about protecting the shield the same thing with nypd officer not even nypd any sort of police officers Stuff like that. They you know get in trouble in one station Uh, one police station and go to another one without anyone even noticing. Yeah, I mean, it's very common very common And you also ask what about his wife? Uh, his wife knew about all of this and uh, actually when uh, Asked about one of the incidents. Uh, she just said offhandedly just laughing What do you know? He obviously wanted to try out someone younger Isn't that and she was also working in a screenplay called everybody loves chickatello

Um, and it was uh, it'd be a family sitcom with a laugh track featured his tall mopey brother who was like Everybody loves chickatello Always because he's always with the fingering and the mushing of the baby breast and I have to work at the rock Well, it's a rock sort of kindergarten where we treat rocks like they are children Oh, I love that sitcom great great show. I love it So because chickatello was never none of these things were ever reported Uh, there was no he was too busy filling up the newspaper with love articles Well, none of them were reported

So he and since he never got in trouble with this and since he was able to go from school to school He got a very clear message do whatever the fuck you want and you will never get in trouble Absolutely, and it helped to solidify his superiority complex being like they can't catch me Which is what we see all the time which is like with serial killers Like once they start to feel that security of like i'm invincible or i'm invulnerable That's when they start letting a freak fly fly. Right. Yeah, and there was also that great Great sitcom based off of this called welcome back codder. Originally. It was called welcome back chickatello And that was and again in in the russian version. It was bleaker and longer

right, yeah In 1978 he got a job as a teacher at a hostel Uh, and strangely enough his job at the hostel teaching morality to young boys. Oh, perfect. Yeah, very perfect Yeah, he uh got caught giving one of one of them a blowjob as the kids slept Uh, yeah, it's the old problem there. Was that the first gay experience that he had as far as we know Okay. Yeah as as far as we can assume that during his travels. He probably had densum I mean like h.h. Holmes used to do when he went to cleveland, ohio His victims aren't exclusively women. He killed a lot of boys too a lot of teenage boys

Uh, and here's another weird thing about chickatello is that and I think this also speaks to the soviet system at the time He was extremely Fucking good at working the system. He knew how to get things done in soviet society Uh, when he got to uh, you know with while other people would struggle to get like a one bedroom Hovel he was able to get a four bedroom apartment on school grounds. Well, other people Yeah, while other people like struggled to get a shitty two-door car He was able to get a luxury vehicle like he just knew how to work the system So it's also it kind of says that it kind of says that you had to be yeah kind of a psychopath to navigate the soviet system

at the time. Andre chickatello is to communism what dove charney is to capitalism The guy for american apparel. Yeah, he's been benefiting so much. He is a sexual predator by definition. Yes Um, but that's what you do. It's it's it's what they say it's it I forget what the actual term is but it's How you basically going mad in mad circumstances just makes you say Right. Yeah, and every government system is insane in to some degree. So in 1978 and this is rare And I don't believe that we've covered so far as far as our heavy hitters goes I don't think we've covered anyone who waited this old for their first murder in 1978 at the age of 42 Wow, Andre finally gets in his first kill. He buys a little sex house on the edge of shakti

Uh, you know, he also bought this house. What is interesting is is that he got this house Basically because he had gotten this job using for the russian government and what his job was is that because It was this weird thing with various manufacturer Various manufacturers were basically said they they promised to give this much each month And his job was just just go from factory to factory and make sure they were going to deliver this stuff Basically just all he did was collect promises from businesses. Um, and then he got this extra income and he bought this house of shakti You know, this was this house was supposed to be for his father to retire to but then we find out that he uses it for a little bit Love shack if you could please cue love shack

Yeah, yeah, yeah So this house he of course tried out before he didn't get straight into murder after he uh bought the house He would lure prostitutes and drunks back to the house to try to have sex with them Uh, he's starting to feel out his eventual uh mo. He's starting to feel it out. He's starting to get good at it He brings three different six-year-old girls back to the house and uh molest them And then on december 22nd 1978. He finds a little gelena zlatnov nine years old She was walking back home from school

He started having a conversation with her and as henry said earlier He's got a very great. He had a very grandfatherly attitude towards him He was able to get people to trust him Uh, and because he also seemed like a nothing. Yeah, that's a big thing about these guys We see that with dumber when they said that about dumber and they said the same thing about denis raider Is that they're perfectly nice, but it's like there's nothing like he it's like you wouldn't even think twice about considering him Got being I don't know dangerous nevermind like nice. It's like he's just he's just a nothing The whole situation is so much more disturbing to me now because I can't get the b-52s out of my head

And so now I just hear I don't want to hear that song ever again Because I'm just gonna think of chicatello six-year-old nine-year-old Oh, it's gonna get much worse He tried to rape the little girl soon as she got gets in he takes her down to the floor He covers her mouth and of course he he can't get hard So he tries to shove his soft penis in her vagina Her hymen breaks And when her hymen breaks, this is his first sight of blood and he as soon as he sees that blood

He immediately ejaculates and this is for the first time This is when he realizes that the sight of blood turns him on more than anything else in the world I will say that this is also a I to be honest I can't help but feel that a part of this is due to the fact that russia was never allowed to get ketchup Yeah, that's true. It was a mustard country If you're a mustard country, it's when you're one of the sadder countries around No, but that is uh, yeah, yeah, yes, and it gets worse uh wanting to replicate that

Was he hard? Do you think when you jank because you don't have to be hard? No, really? He was never hard. You're right. It wasn't about it wasn't about the heart. It was about the chute He needed he never got to experience the feeling of orgasm until it happened. Yeah Uh, and it gets worse. Uh, he fine. He wanted he figures out like, okay It's definitely the blood that made me came. I want that to happen again So he gets out a little knife that he had started carrying around with him after a bunch of his students tried to beat him up in an alleyway I wonder why? Uh, uh, probably just dickhead

The kids wanted to learn that bad, you know No, that's how rush is that a bunch of kids can surround a teacher in an alleyway and beat the shit out of him Uh, but after he grabs the knife, uh, and just stabs her in the stomach over and over again By the time he's done the body is barely recognizable. Uh, and he said later after he had done that He said that he felt as if he had been freed from the shackles which had bound him So that was really his susan boil a moment When everyone just looked at him like an elderly man who had no talent and then he opened up his Opened up his knife and showed the world what he could do

Yep And so they he took the body and and he panicked as soon as he as soon as he figured out what he as soon as he had The calm down like he panicked. It was the same thing with domino on his first kill Yeah, when he had when he do it in the passion in the throw of the moment And then what the fuck and then you immediately you wake up and you're like, what did I do? Because that's why they talk about all time The separation of your personality you can compartmentalize and you put it and you put that in a little section You don't think about the the man part of you that killed the little girl. Well, I don't think that dommer could really uh

Compartmentalize like that. I think he was just like beer beer me As soon as he would come beer me That's why I've always had sympathy for dommer because he had to Medicate himself himself so hard just to even do it. Yeah But this does seem like a strange leap for him. Why all of a sudden the kids? Is it just acts? I mean, no, he had been molesting kids for years and years But but as young as this has been this has obviously been a thought in his brain for a long time Yeah, he likes he's the way even they talk about it in the confession when they get it later on

As he liked to say it's like spur of a moment But even investigators were saying it's like this is obviously a fantasy he had had and he had built Yeah, and he had a long time. Yeah, he had molested his wife's niece No way back in the day. He had been molesting kids of all ages. It was all about power It's the exact same thing. Dommer had the same fantasy about picking up the hitchhiker and bringing him back to the house And then if you just it's basically the fantasy just came through for him And then all of a sudden you're it's like your dream is now alive And you're living in a dream world doing that doing the thing you always kind of thought you would do

But then never believing it actually happened minus the fact that he did work in a brick factory Which is the russian equivalent of working in a chocolate factory. I think that he is more btk. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah he's definitely more btk and So he has the body on his hands. He doesn't know what to do with it So he just takes it outside. He throws it in a river behind his behind his shack and they find her two days later And this is the first with his very first murder He almost gets caught and we'll see this over and over and over again

He gets almost caught because this starts from 1978 to 1992 I mean this starts a 12 year murder spree. What you find out is in russian law enforcement They really want you to have a past a criminal past. Yeah, and so it's like everybody they were looking at the reason why basically he Slipped their their attentionist because he didn't he was never on the books for molesting kids for years as a teacher. Yeah Uh, and there was a ton of evidence uh, link and andre to this there was a spot of blood from the little girl's body on snow outside of his house There was testimony from neighbors that they saw andre there that night They said there was testimony from neighbors that said that they had seen him entering the house with young girls prior to that There was even a witness saying that andrew talked with the little girl the day of the murder

However, soviet police went ahead and arrested a guy named alexander kravchenko instead He lived a few doors down from uh, his uh from the sex house and he had been convicted of murder in uh cremia seven years previous Uh, in fact andre just kept going like every time he'd be like, hey boy, it's gay. How you doing, bro? How you feeling man? Yeah, you remember a little girl I had there yesterday the little tiny boy I brought I brought into my weird fucking broke down like fuckshot Like fucking killed her bros don't fucked up. All right. I'll be staying the bar as god I just had the strangest conversation with mr. Uh

Chick-a-tillo. Chick-a-tillo. Chick-a-tillo. I never even met him before there man. Well, either way i'm cat sitting for him next week Yeah, it'd be fun But if if they would have indicted him if they would have accused him of this crime It would have been accusing the entire school the entire community, right? Well, this had nothing to do with the school itself like they didn't know he's sort of a made man He's kind of a russian made man at this point because that's what they said because Each time you're also going to see his ties to the communist party got him out of everything Which you could also could imagine solidified that for him when you're made in america you get to be a romney

You get to be like part of an italian mafia system. You get a huge house in long island But when you're made in russia, you get to have a fuck check in the woods. Yes. Um, so that's just one of the cultural differences Oh, uh, well, I mean and so the the guy that was arrested eventually arrested for the crime Uh, he was executed for it That they straight up do that real quick. Yeah When you think when in russian law enforcement, if you're sentenced to death It's literally like three days later and they just poppy in the back of the head. Well, this guy real fast We eventually I mean, uh, initially the judge saw that the case the case against this guy was very circumstantial

He must have so the judge gave him a fair comparatively lenient sentence at first But in russian law at the time you could not only appeal a conviction. You could also appeal a um Yeah, yeah, you could a sentence. Yeah, you could appeal a sentence and so due to uh, you know pressure from the community They appealed the uh, the sentence and he was sentenced to death So I actually just watched devils not which is the movie about the west memphis three Uh individuals and yeah, so they got caught up in this whole panic as well as a community for this one guy And this I mean, I'm assuming the guy that lived three doors down from um, andre's sex shack wasn't great No, no, no, no. He was probably kind of a smuck. It wasn't like he was out there like helping kids with no legs

Like play baseball that guy was probably also jerking off in front of like some kind of like any sort of general store Right, um, he wasn't guilty of that specific crime. Right. Yeah Yeah, well, they did arrest him while he was stealing a car But again stealing a car and raping murdered a six year old I thought that was the uh rust of public transportation. I thought you had a hot wire a fucking a guinea track I don't know what they're called Like golf carts that they have everywhere. I mean to be fair. They just found him carrying a wheel and they were like that's close enough It's close enough to a russian car a wheel. That's one fourth of car. You could sit on wheel. It's almost like stealing chair

The ugo, right? The ugo russian russian vehicle. Yeah, that was that was a that was a formal war By the way, the ugo. Yeah, they killed millions tens of thousands of americans died in the ugo So andre's second murder and this is the one where he almost I mean unlike a lot of other guys who eventually get More and more comfortable with it andre goes from first murder being panicked to second murder being Totally cool with it. And again, we see it's just a three year delay in between the first two murders It's exactly like dommer. Yeah, um the massive cooling off period apparently he left there and basically like he was like I don't want to kill again. I'm just going to try and be normal with my family

But that just didn't work. Well, you know, there hasn't been a repeat super bowl winner since 1999 in the nfl Uh, so it's just difficult to go back to back years, you know On september 3rd 1981 andre picked up a girl named lorisa, uh, tochenko She was 17. He picked her up at a bus stop, which is going to be another one of his mo's picking up kids at the bus Right, uh, because the bus system like the public transportation system in russia is notoriously Unreliable uh and pretty unpredictable weird it seemed it's weird to think because it seems like bus drivers in russia must be like On the ball. Oh, totally sober at all times And in rostov where a lot of these happen where this one definitely happened

Uh, there was just a large supply of runaways and drug addicts A lot of teenagers and just generally people who felt like they had absolutely nothing to lose Uh, so andre promised this girl vodka. He's like, let's go drink some vodka and relax And so he let her out into the woods, uh, and held her down Uh, and started she started screaming and he started just shoving mud into her mouth To keep her quiet. He beat her. He choked her to death. Uh, he Ejaculated in his pants and as soon as she died he uh bit off one of her nipples Uh, he bit it off. He bit it off, which is something that he would do over and over again

Uh, and of course this one he the feeling that he had in this one was pure Joy, he grabbed he did it like eddie murphy like i'm in love Like that like run down the street Party all the time party all the time. He grabbed her clothes. He started throwing him around He was he did a little dance around the body whooping and hollering Uh, and once he calmed down and this would be he has a sort of strange ritual that would escalate and would Uh, I guess evolve throughout the years But he did have a strange ritual of dancing around the body

After he killed them. Yeah, and that is just that's just straight morbid You know what I mean morbid, yeah That's really strange. I mean, I think if we did transplant get the baby out of the picture But we just take chickatello dancing and put him into a string cheese incident concert He would probably look like real cool Also, if we did a thing, you know, if he had just draped himself with the dead body and was dancing around and his name was lady gaga He would have gotten scot-free with the thing pop star. This guy could have been a comedian He could have been a pop star, but unfortunately he was born in hormador

During the holodomor he was in the ukraine. He was in the ukraine. Just say ukraine to say ukraine to say ukraine So after this he calms down and he immediately starts rationalizing it in his brain She deserved it. She was gonna come with me for sex anyway She was a loose woman. He started to think himself think of himself as an exterminator and thus a missionary killer is born They always do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and he starts thinking himself much like gary ridgeway that he is exterminating the dregs of society that And now you have the perfect recipe for And then you have the perfect recipe for literally one of the most brutal serial killers

ever and we'll get into the majority of his crimes next week, but he is just You have the it's the perfect package like missionary killer So highly evolved sexual impulse put into his killings and a feeling of invincibility and superior He is he's a fucking real monster. I mean it goes to everyone feels like they're doing good Yeah, you know and no one wants to think that they're an actual monster So you have to twist reality to such a degree to think that you're actually doing a public service Yeah part of a part of being serial killers being a validation machine You have to create the reality in which you can really exist because that's the idea is that you're building your own reality

Domers most specifically when he talks about like building his fucking like his worship room and altar and all that shit It said you're making reality for yourself, right? Terrible. This guy was it was decidedly Not cool. No, no, not a cool none of these people are cool. They're they're monsters and extremely stupid individuals Yeah, this guy but this guy was just you know, it's just example, you know, you have an old man who comes to your house and he says like Oh, please let me come inside. Oh my knees On the arms and bones If you if you have an old man that wants to come in your house, uh, just don't let him because he's gonna try and uh

Grabby till he comes in his pants Well, if you do let him into your house break both of his knees before he gets in the front door Yes, you gotta cripple them And then it's fine and yeah Well next week we're gonna get into the next eight years of chickatillo's life in which he will murder an additional 54 people right He goes on a run. It's bad, man. Yeah, he's a bad fella Um, but he also make sure you check out a to z thursday's on mbc sir

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