Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 142: Chikatilo Part 2: Andrei's Big Day Out

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

We wrap up our two parter on Russia's Andrei Chikatilo, possibly the most brutal killer we've ever covered.

You're going to have a lot of fun. You're going to have a lot of fun. You're going to have a lot of fun. Hey everyone, Marcus Park to give you an update on the sausage fest coming up on October 5th. The whole show is going to start

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this is the last on the left. That's when the cannibalism started. You know what I've discovered really riles people up to a to a frothy anger. Yeah, it's singing this song Friday for Rebecca Black about any other day of the week and just

throwing stuff in there like it's you know Tuesday Tuesday feeling fat on Tuesday. It's Tuesday day and nobody cares the weekends long ways and Tuesday. Shut up. Good God, you weren't lying. That's unbelievably aggravated in

sweat. No, all right, welcome to show everyone. No, we're not starting off like that. And so we got to put up. Hollywood has changed do Henry's a Browsky and none of us are happy about it. Well, I'm pretty pleased with it.

Well, Marcus is happy. Good. Are you are you happy now, Henry? You made Marcus happy, which means you did something wrong. Hi, everybody names are Rebecca Black. Remember me? Nobody else does. I certainly don't. Rebecca, you seem to age. Do

you do not age gracefully, huh? I got to tell you, you know what day of the week I don't like anymore? Fucking Friday Friday, right? Because the song that ever made funny you for sick of fucking Friday's got it. Well, I'll see you

guys. I'm gonna bet on a bunch of dogs fighting each other over a piece of chicken. All right. Well, I'm happy your life is going better than most of ours. One wins. Well, probably will. All right, that's Marcus. I'm Ben. We're

joined by Rebecca Black. Hey, it's me, Hollywood, Henry's Browsky. Mm hmm. All right, let's just get into it. Yeah, part two chicken tello mother Russia. Things were about to get even more disgusting than you ever imagined about him to,

you know, the thing about this guy again, he gets less charm in every sentence. I read about it. Yep. Yep. He starts off at kind of a high note, you know, just an abused child who want who wanted to do well for his mother and for his country

and now also Ragnar posted a really interesting post about like comparing Andre Cicatello to the entire Russian idea, and it's very interesting to because as you see when he gets caught, it's in the year 1991 and he gets sentenced. It's like

literally his whole life moves with the broken dream of Russia and the falling of that the USSR. It's really interesting. It's very much, very much, very much. And I want to I want to think Sophie got so for that beautiful song. Oh, yeah, on

the page, but I don't know why everyone thinks I'm always crying. Well, you let's just say you are a giant sack of tears. I'm not saying I don't cry. I'm I'm of German descent when my when my dad's dad died, you know, when you know what he

said to me, he said, Hey, Ben, your grandfather is dead. I cried a little this morning. That's it. And I said, Okay, but then you also say we have to burn the papers and hide his medals from the fewer himself. Well, the time period's over.

I can say what I want. You're on fire, Henry. Well, let's get back into Andre Chick-A-Tillo by listening to a fictionalized account of Chick-A-Tillo's life. This is a clip from a movie that starred Malcolm McDowell back in this

is his. This is Chick-A-Tillo's version of the game. This is right. This is from a movie called Evil Inco. Yeah, so insert your juggalo ICP jokes there. Scared. But you like it, too, don't you?

Yeah. He's talking to a little girl. He's got his pants down. You can touch him if you want. Him? Give me your hand. No? Oh, she doesn't want to.

He wants to be your friend. Tell me that he likes you. He's dying to show you what happens to him when you touch him. My God. He gets big. He doesn't. No, no, now you're being stupid.

He doesn't trust anyone. Not even me? No. Not you, of course. All right then, make him talk. All right. Make him talk. Give him a chance to get big.

No, you're lying. He can't talk. He can't because he's dead. All right, well that was the most amazing audio we've ever played on this show and I think we've had some 9-1-1 calls where a woman dies. I love that.

Yeah, it can fly. His feet can fly. Yeah, it can fly. Both have been surprised if he was like, can you make him talk? And then it was like, hey, little girl. Can I have some problems standing up? If you're not talking about me,

can we have a chair or something? Anyways, you're going to kill you. The mouse in that movie, Dumbo, spoke about Dumbo the same way. Yeah, he can fly. Yeah, it also felt sort of like a Cinderella vibe. I was waiting for it to turn into like,

or like the Potts Berry clock fat man from Beauty and the Beast. So that's actually a charmed version of Chickatella. That's a much charmed version. Yeah, and that, you know, of course, and that was at the beginning of his career, which we covered last week. That was more of the molesting school children

in his previous career. But we have moved past that. We have now moved to the year 1982 in which at this point he has killed eight people. One new dog when it won't mimic it. So he's out. The airwaves were full of Huey Lewis

and the news, but Russia didn't get it. They just got the solemn chimes of a bell letting everyone know that the bread ran out. Oh, I love that chime. So he's on to his white album. He started to take some drugs a little bit more wild by the moment. Well, let's talk about the victim

selection that he had, how he chose his victims, because his victims were very wide and varied as far as who they were, what class they came from. I mean, because, you know, you couldn't really make a connection between a 44-year-old alcoholic prostitute and the 11-year-old stamp

collector. There wasn't a whole lot. Unless you're talking about the fans of Jennifer Lawrence. That's everybody. That's true. He didn't care. It's absolutely everybody. Can we talk about Jennifer Lawrence for a second?

Holy Lord, that is a beautiful woman. So it didn't matter whether it was an older woman, a little boy. It didn't matter at all who it was. All he wanted to hear was screams. All he wanted to see was blood. He never searched out specifically a woman or a boy.

All of his victims, it was all at first opportunity. He would just pick people until finally one of them went off with them to eventually be brutally murdered. Because that's what they said too. Literally any sign of resistance, he would let it go.

He didn't want any because the idea was that he couldn't get his pee pee all hard. Anything that demasculated him, he couldn't deal with. So if we did, let's just say look at some of the nude pictures of Jennifer Lawrence that were released. We would be like, we were aroused.

We would be like, we were in a movie hostel. I've been jacking off to that movie hostel like nonstop. I just feel like maybe Russia could have used more like, you know, pumping sounds of screaming into the streets. Make it like a Halloween horror nights. And then he would have been fine.

He would have just been horror all the time and he would have just maybe been president. I think it would be creepier and worse if he got off to the sounds of laughter. That's more disgusting. Really? Not really. He killed no heterosexual men whatsoever. As far as men goes

because first of all, men hated him. He could sweet talk women. He could sweet talk children because you remember, he didn't start killing until he was in his 40s, so he had kind of a grandfatherly look about him. And the other reason why he was able to lure children and women away

is because in Soviet Russia standing in line was a fact of life. You stood in line every single day. And of course the buses were terrible. And he picked up most of his victims at railway and bus stations so they'd be in line together. They'd start talking. They'd form a sense

of camaraderie. And they'd say, you know what? Why don't we go for a walk? The women, he would pretty much just say like, okay, let's go relax. So that goes in Russia. He'd be like, are you miserable? And he'd be like, yeah, I'm miserable. Are you miserable? I am too. We have so much in common. Yeah. Let's go to the woods. You got me waiting for a bus for 45 minutes.

I'd much rather get my organs cut off and my nipples shut off by some fucking grandfather killer. Some would agree he was doing them a favor. And that's how bad Russia was. He was only 40 and everyone's like, grandpa. And of course he was a sadist, a complete and total sadist. And in hardcore sadist

it does make sense for them to move from heterosexual objects to homosexual objects and eventually to homosexual pedophilia. Because in their mind that is the escalation of depravity. It's like because they see homosexuals as depraved. Not something that's normal

but it's something that is the next step in their sexual spiral. It had nothing to do with his direct sexuality. It was all about just the domination and the control. Which is actually very interesting because to be honest I don't

know many killers like tell me if I'm wrong that really switched back and forth between like men and women. Most of them do one or the other. Well Ramirez was just a slash and go kind of guy. He would kill the husband in order to get

to the woman. His objective was the woman. And John Wayne Gacy was all about little boys because it was hiding his sexuality. I think that's what makes Chickatello specifically so fucked up and dangerous is the fact that he was just about the violence. It's got nothing

to do with him. It's got nothing to do with the sex at all. And speaking of the violence let's get into what he actually did to the victims. He ripped open their stomachs. He sliced off their sexual organs in most cases. He would slice off

penises, testicles and nipples and then he would chew on them. He would never eat them. He'd never swallow them. He made a big deal with his confession when he was saying he was like I do not eat. I'm not a cannibal. I just like to chew on.

Yeah he said his main obsession was the uterus. Main obsession was the uterus and he said I did not want to bite them so much as chew them. They were beautiful and elastic. They got to get wrigglies over there. You got to get some good spearman gum. Save some lives. It's a problem with the gum shortage

because also it's him following around like some little girl. He's just like I help them to like the ones that taste like watermelon. Oh yeah he's looking for that apple-apple-strawberry combination. It's difficult to find in a human bean. Yeah because there's not as much of a wrigglies as they're more of a gusher.

Right. Right. Yeah that good clean feeling that you get from orbits or eating someone's liver. Another thing that he would do to all of his or almost all of his victims is he would cut out their eyes. He would at the very least stab the eyes either around

the eyes or specifically in the eyes or cut them out completely because it was said there was a superstition that a dead person's last images were burned on their retinas and he believed that his image was burned on their retinas and who knows if that was

some crazy thing that he thought maybe he'd get caught through some Soviet super magic or if he just was superstitious about it. I think it's just also how often brutal murder happens in Russia that they like they had to make this rule to stop it

of just being like you know it's like you got to stop murdering because the eye that takes pictures of your face so make sure you do not do that. Guys we need to cut it down because we literally cannot keep together our children's choir. They keep getting murdered so hard.

That's what's so sad. Well it was actually the eyes that that was able that's what made investigators notice that this guy wasn't just murdering in Rostov that he was murdering all around the I guess it would be the western Soviet Union. The eyes

is what links it all together. The eyes that before he murdered him or was it a post-mortem thing? Well that's the big thing about Chickatillo is that as he kills more and more his killing procedures became more and more surgical and in fact he got so good at killing that he was

able to stab that he knew if he stabs someone at a certain place and at a certain angle he knew where the blood would spur and he knew how to dodge it so he wouldn't get as bloody during his kills. Like Neo from The Matrix just bending over backwards.

Yeah absolutely. And he knew how to keep them alive for as long as possible to prolong the suffering for as long as possible. So he did so that's very interesting. Yeah. You know it's like kind of like the guy in Council tells you just being like if you had a million dollars what would you

want to do with your life? Right. You know what I mean? And Chickatillo just did that. He just did it. He took the bull by the horns and he carpe diemmed his way and to killing all these little girls. You don't need to go to the university to become a doctor. No you don't. And I want to thank you Henry for putting

that bear naked ladies song in my head if I had a million dollars but now it's about Chickatillo stabbing somebody's eyes out. If I had a million dollars I'd take a child into the woods and murder them. Okay. You can do that for free you know. Oh alright. Seriously?

Wait seriously? Yeah dude you can just go do that whatever you want. Like today? Yeah dude whatever. You don't even need it. So I hate to cut lunch short but I'm not going to follow my drinks. I think we made him a murderer today. So as far as identifying the bodies goes

because this the manhunt we're going to get into the manhunt the last 12 years extremely inept very very the Russians were very very bad at what they did. Yeah they just wrangled up any slow poke in the town. Well we'll get to that. Yeah we'll get to that. It was the big nets that they would just

kind of just drag along the streets hoping to catch men in the woods. But the job was definitely made more difficult. Especially in the early days because in the early days most of Chickatillo's victims were tramps prostitutes people that had not they didn't have a

propiska a propiska that's a formal registration of residents so if someone didn't have that if they were homeless or just kind of slept around they were you know pretty much a stray dog no one cared about them at all when they found these bodies you know of course

when you investigate a murder the first thing you do is identify the body and look around at what they did before they were murdered but with Andre Chickatillo many times this is impossible. Because there was just no more evidence of what the person looked like yeah well there was no more evidence of what they looked like and there was no identification

on the people whatsoever. He didn't write their names on their backs did not he did not and of course like he spent all his time in railway stations and he much like Gary Ridgway he started to see himself as an exterminator at some point if you work in a railway station and you just see the same person there

every single day ask him where he's going yeah and where you going buddy it just seems like you should be getting a ticket or something you've been here you've been in the same spot for a month and a half train station you gotta go looking at the human rats because they want to turn them into dog food that's fine whatever you want to do buddy but just get on

the train you know do it on the train do it on the train yeah and people did notice him throughout the years right of course they did but again the problem is it's again nobody cares about these prostitutes and that's where this amalgamation of sexual

tension inadequacy a sense of superiority is what made him the fucking perfect killer because he just because all you have to do is it's so fucked up but it's like lower your standards and like get to a point just being like I'm gonna kill this this strata

of human being that no one looks for and eventually you become like cause it probably started is just because they were the easiest ones they would come with him they would go out into the forest with him but then he began to spot despise them for that yeah I don't even think it's lower I don't think it's lower in your standards I think he's raising his ego

and he's like I'm god of these people and again everyone likes to feel as if they're doing good yeah I mean everybody does even the most sick people he thinks that he is eradicating a plague yeah he said they followed me like dogs the guys who invented twinkies were just trying to make a funer bread

and how many people have they killed thousands well by December of 82 he completely this is another thing that makes chickatillo special or maybe just makes the Soviet Union fucked up in December of 82 he started

killing people of higher so he started killing children he killed this girl Olga Stolma Chinook he picked her up at a bus stop took her to the woods the woods and murdered her they didn't find her body for four months and then only by chance but in the interval

the police received a message it was addressed to parents of missing child it read greetings parents don't get upset she is not the first and not the last before new year we need another 10 if you want to find her

then search among the leaves on the Vodorovsky Ptaskovsky and it was signed say this the black cat the black cat that's as bad ass as you can get the black cat sounds like you're but

never trust the black cat oh I crossed your path oh I swiped your pant leg with my claws and I killed the girl and I chew on the uterus oh black cat having fun alright

you know I like everything except for black cat maybe we can call you the ravenous beaver how does that sound black cat corn on the cob killer I'm just biting all around the sides of their torso unfortunately the letter was a hoax

but you know I couldn't pass that up no absolutely but it was it is a part of the story because that letter was a part of the investigation for many many years it also it's sort of similar to the zodiac these people who were faking it

he's a real celeb now he didn't even know about the letter until they arrested him because it was almost like the zodiac like it was this weird piece of the puzzle but no one could really figure out because crimes were happening everywhere it was all over Russia

the whole raw stuff area they had a wide area of who could be doing it because there was a bunch of different clues especially because it seemed like he was becoming a surgeon so they started thinking he was a doctor and then they started thinking maybe he was a cop because he knew how the cops were operating

and so it could have been everything anyway that's how bad again that's how bad Russia was they legitimately thought it could be a doctor I mean how good was slaughterhouse worker but still doctor could be it's not the black dalian murders for Christ's sake I'm sure these murders weren't that unbelievably artistic

or scalpel like or sadist black cat was just like a guy named Javar wearing like a cat costume hat like in an old shack no one would believe that I am a cat how I wish that I could just jump from tree branch

to tree branch black head is terrifying actually now that I think about it it's very scary yeah just a big drunk russian man hanging out in the sun just slowly blinking at people yeah okay walk faster walk faster I think we saw the black cat

maybe that's where the myth comes from if the black cat crosses your path you have bad luck just a fat russian man because the black cat man of the village may accidentally pee all over your shoes he's just marking he's just marking his territories it's fine so the police of course

the police were never idle they never stopped searching for the guy but unfortunately they were very bad at what they did drunk well that was one of the reasons why men hated Andrey because Andrey didn't drink he refused to have a drink with him

and in russian society if a man didn't have a drink with him you couldn't trust him this is the only good thing about the russians never trust a man you can't have a beer with it's literally the direct opposite that's why he stuck out of crowds he even said that over and over again the reason why he wasn't like everybody else

is because he wasn't drunk and harassing people and that's the weird thing about him is that he always wanted to be normal his whole thing was a search for normalcy because of course he didn't drink because he was emptied and all that all the killing it was a search for normalcy

that he did in the most abnormal way possible because it was a sense of inadequacy because everybody had their thing everybody either they had a wife and a family or they were good at something they all could do something

they could slam a full leader of vodka and still get a boner that's a physical feet that's a physical russian feet that was in the russian olympics but they didn't film it how much could you drink the drunk boner competition

so in the early days of chikotillo's killing he wasn't up to surgeon levels in the early days he was still pretty hack and slash can we just say he never got to surgeon levels okay well we could say at this point he was more like an old west barber like a Detroit

street surgeon until later on so because the killings are so horrific the police got it in their head that the killer had to be a black cat mentally handicapped

yeah so they pulled in their first suspects these two guys they were residents of a special hostel for the handicapped and they were arrested for trying to steal a car and that is russian for boo boo and dinky

in america they'd be called boo boo and dinky and everybody loved them except they just had a problem with looking for uteruses that just reminded me of bobo and the other guy from that great movie nothing but trouble oh man i can never remember the other one

bobo and little dabble little dabble glad we got that all cleared out so both of course they were and the book that i did the majority of my research from is called the red ripper

it's a fantastic fucking book and it also has a lot to say about like soviet russia at the time it's really good but the guy kept using this term that i love he kept saying mentally subnormal it's so much more insulting than saying retarded just get the feeling they were like i want to vote

they were like mentally subnormal absolutely not but it's interesting one thing that stretches the entire globe is a police officer's ability to go for the simplest answer immediately they always just go for the dumbest or the people that are just the simplest to arrest and of course they got

confessions out of these guys of course they did because they offered them one they had a picture of a starburst and they were like yeah look at that you can get that in america and they were like okay i'll tell you everything yeah they told them that jail was like a fun spinny ride they were like me like spin spin

right but the policemen said that they weren't intelligent enough to make up a story that fit the facts so neatly because they did identify with detail the places where the victims bodies were found and how they killed but i mean we all know how coerced confessions work

especially when you're working in soviet fucking Russia right you know when you've got these police officers that are really really trying to close this case and it hasn't changed that much world's toughest prisons russia that is very intense very quick sidebar

very quick sidebar that i read the other day in russia the life expectancy of a prisoner is higher than that of a regular citizen isn't that something and i also heard in russia the meat you don't eat the meat the meat eats you is that yakov schmerinoff yeah i've changed

but it's true though what they talk about in russian criminal justice it's like 60 percent of confessions are coerced and they need they rely on the confession like a russian police must get the confession it goes back like culturally to like

the book crime and punishment where they talk about how important it is because it's a symbol of admission of guilt and they need it and so they'll do anything to get a confession i mean and russians are not really known for their like delicacy no they are not a delicate bunch whatsoever

i mean even in uh when they finally caught andre and they caught him with uh you know a big bag full of knives and ropes and there was plenty of eyewitnesses but until they got the confession they were like i don't know if i can keep this guy arrested like they have 10 days

they can hold someone to 10 days before they finally let him go oh you like my knife and the rope collection it is from uh uh yeah the russian idea that's where it all started i think so of course these two guys went away for a while

and then of course the killings didn't stop so what did they do they went back to the same hostel and arrested two more mentally subnormal men uh named reyepkin and ponormorov and of course the killings continue uh on

january 10th uh they found a 17 year old girl named natalia shalapiny and she was found covered in stab wounds uh her nose and upper lip lip was cut off along with one of the fingers on her left hand you know what it seems to me like we've got some joker like mischief going on maybe these subnormal

humans uh they were causing it all from jail they were playing on this whole thing so you're saying there was a council of retarded people the mentally subnormal part of russia and they organized the conspiracy to kill little girls that's right because they were scared of the

chicotella rise sober in society looking for power uh but you know thankfully they did let none of these guys were charged unlike the man who was charged and murdered for chicotella's first murder these guys were all let go eventually the police

bundled 23 of the murders together after they realized like okay these retards are in jail and these killings are still happening mentally subhuman mentally subnormal mentally subhuman is the worst thing you could say that's the bad one that's the worst

yeah that's the one like that's the eugenics term right right when you said bundled i just pictured flow from that progressive commercial there oh i bundle them what's weird is that with all of these murders i visualize flow from the progressive commercial take her into the woods

so in 1984 in march uh dima patoshnikov 10 year old boy he went missing gifted child love stamp collecting archaeology poetry chicotillo stabbed him 54 times uh and this is when the first clue comes along

uh they found very small clue but they found a partial footprint uh from a large man around the body and an eyewitness said that she saw a man from behind walking with the boy and she said he was between like 50 and 55 years old so this is the first description they have of chicotillo in

regard this is also we're going he has been because he's already been caught two times molesting kids he has been almost caught like nine times and again every single time he's almost caught it's he just checks out because he's a good member of the party yeah exactly and this was his 20th

murder by the way and this was after his 20th murder this was the most evidence the police had had this is the first evidence the police had had against him just an elderly man holding the hand of a child that reminds me of that um footprint in the sand remember that?

it was then that I carried you it was then that I murdered you does he take you to a remote location and cut out your your uterus and chew on it I'm not sure because I never get to the end of it because I fall asleep yeah something like that happens at the end we actually don't know so in may

of 1984 this is a little incident I like to call Andres big day out yeah I noticed that you labeled it that I just just imagine this whole thing taking place in a montage to the the song from hot shots

when they're having sex in the bed oh yeah with the eggs and the bacon oh that was the hottest sexy never recorded on camera it was great oh my goodness so in 84 Andre ran into a former quote-unquote lover of his at a bus station in

Shakti and she was also a subnormal intelligence and they had met at a food cart where Tonya worked in 1978 prior to Andres first kill so she found their first date was him his first date with her

was Andre met a retarded woman named Tonya at a taco truck and that was how they fell in love that was the first that was their love story yeah because she said he was he was comparatively so romantic it is never mind it's like that first pitch movie with them

she said he was comparatively charming meaning if you're not even like a fucking Don Juan to retarded woman how are you doing normal person yeah compared to all the rest of the men she dealt with in the bus station at the food cart

day after day right chikotilla was charming of course they both started meeting and Andre sex shack so he's like the most attractive guy in Alabama pretty much yeah pretty much so and of course he was you know unable to get hard for and you got bored moved on six she's

she used to it I haven't seen a picture of Tonya but something tells me in my mind Tonya may be a square shaped well she's a sub yeah of subnormal intelligence I actually think

chikotilla not getting hard for her is the right thing to do so six years later chikotilla runs into her again at the same station of course he's killed 20 people at this point so he invites so what have you been up to Andre

so Andre invites Tonya and her 11 year old daughter Sveta out to a picnic so chikotilla had already selected the perfect spot for the kill it was a dense and penetrable fat patch of forest along the railway line

and the railway line was called Sadie which means gardens in Russia and the woman was drunk before Andre even picked her up I like her so is this one of those plenty of fish like profile breakdowns of the relationships at work

well let's see how about we meet at this place called an impenetrable forest lane and be drunk when I get you don't forget so after 10 minutes walking from the station Andre gets Tonya to lie down for some sex time

and the child the kid gets the message wanders off with the new doll that Andre had brought for which is actually nice to do to a child if you're going to defile her mother get her a doll so the two got naked Andre went down on her for a while

that's the most disgusting thing yet can't even handle this daughter with the fucking dirty Russian doll staring at a retorted mother getting gone down on by this like a 60 year old man that's probably just an old piece of sausage rubbed

in some dirt that's her doll hey mama how did you and daddy meet well first he picked me up in a taco trunk then I got real drunk and he ate me out next to a fucking bramble bush you remember you were there god damn

so after he goes down on her for a while he can't get hard and of course she starts she gives him a little bit of a jab she says call yourself a real man which was a very fatal mistake he reached into his bag pulled out a long sharp kitchen knife

and plunged it into the side of her head now this makes it sort of like that Steve Martin funny arrow hat yeah it does so she just kept screaming and screaming she wouldn't stop so he dropped the knife picked up the hammer in the bag and they just starts beating

her face and of course the little girl hears her mother scream those are not the normal screams these are new types of screams and so the little girl runs back to where she left Andre and her mother and when she gets there the first thing she sees

is a naked Andre chickatillo stark naked covered in blood running towards her through the forest with a knife in his hand he catches up to her he takes her down with a knife he gets the hammer he fucking smashes her over the head and her head

when they found her body her head was five yards away completely severed another thing too is like about these details come from Andre himself when he's giving the confession later on he loves these details and he gives them everything

we'll talk about it soon he gave it all of them because by then it was time for him this is his highlight reel this is him returning the kickoff for 99 yards covered in blood screaming

cutting the little girl's head off it was a big get for him this is a real big one there's one that he has later on I would say a little more artistic but this one is definitely running back the ball artistic Marcus

we'll get to it in 1884 that was the most intense period of killing that's what you call Andre's big day out just to clarify everybody him pouring like fizzy champagne into a wine glass

and she's like winking at him and him giving the doll and taking the little girl and putting her in her trash can covering the top of it so she can't see what it was so in August and September of 1984 10 people fell to Andre's knife more than one a week

for two months and even more boldly he was killing people who would be missed he wasn't just killing prostitutes he was killing children and really this is the traditional berserker period of the serial killer in which they get caught he's killing people

he's not being careful he's killing people all over the place he's invisible to the police and it was almost like he was in Russia you are invisible and this is we look at Bundy all these guys got caught because they lost control

Andre's losing one of my favorite Bundy quotes if you can have a favorite Bundy quote where you put the wrench so on September 13th 1984 the police have figured out that this killer

is operating out of train stations so they're doing a lot of stakeouts so an undercover detective he sees Chickatello trying to lure a young woman away from a bus station they arrested him they looked at his belongings they found a knife and a rope

they started going into his background and they saw that he had all these molestation accusations against him his physical description matched that of the witness earlier his foot size was around the same as the footprint that they had

but and this is fucked up the reason why they let him go is because Andre Chickatello has a one in a million genetic condition in which his blood type and his sperm type are different

so they took his blood because they had of course sperm because he ejaculated in his pants quite a bit they had his sperm you need sperm because you could discreet my pockets bro that's like what they do I'm like a little sperm bank

if you look at the fly in my pants it's like a sperm apartment building so they had sperm samples and the sperm sample was A B but they took Andre's blood and his blood type is A most of us are blood type

and our sperm type are the same Andre one in a million chance so since the blood and the sperm didn't match up they let him go from the railway station and again a slightly weird way that it made him the perfect killer

it's this thing of like that it's just an added thing that added to his invisibility and we're gonna see this too when we cover things like Luis Garavito his South American serial killer killed over oh next to 300 little kids this he can operate anonymously

so he hangs out at train stations a lot all the time that's what he loves doing because it's a huge sprawl and Russia is massive there's got to be no there's next to no communication between areas of Russia they are like it's so huge and it's so poor

that he can just operate under the radar Malcolm McDonald seemed he did a good Chickatello but I really loved Tom Hanks' Chickatello in the Polar Express that stuff also most of Malcolm McDonald's acting job was to just comb his hair

phone he just has a bull cut at this point Chickatello he's killed well over 30 people but the public the only knowledge they have is that of rumor because the state had a hard clamp down on the entire media and only that

but the media themselves they self-censored you know like they already knew what they weren't allowed to do so they self-censored absolutely everything if you're in America this is a dream story this is everyone your Chickatello would be up there with Manson yeah absolutely but because you know so people

didn't know you know don't stay out late at night you know keep extra watch on your kids they cannot rock the boat they can't let something like this would show that the communist system doesn't work that it doesn't fix your personality to be like one of a gigantic group yeah

and his wife she had no idea what was going on this entire time I'm gonna blame that on her not communicating you know well she tried sending him to a therapist she actually did because of his sex problems he tried sending him to a therapist we have no record of course of the visit but it seems through

Andre's testimony that all he did was just give him a bunch of tranquilizers and said go on your way tell him like it's totally cool to come in your pants dude no no you come in your pants you can do that it's fine yeah and so Andre after he killed he'd wait a few days before he would go back

home because he was if nothing else patient yeah he was patient and during his berserker period it's possible that he didn't get caught because he didn't go full on berserker like Bundy did breaking into a sorority house and just beaten women with a log he was he still had

the exact same mo he's still like if someone didn't go with him he's still like if someone showed any resistance he still would move on to the next person but he was just doing it every day right he or every week it's like a door-to-door vacuum salesman yeah you know not everyone's gonna buy

but sometimes sometimes they will you know what it is exactly like that so at work of course things are not going well Andre was not the most popular of employees and he spent most

of his time writing letters of complaint about his co-workers to their superiors and the local Communist Party crushed Yelp and then his job was to go and make sure people delivered shipments of various industrial things he would go to

because basically people would make promises to make X number of supplies or X number of raw materials and then they just wouldn't deliver they would get the money and just not deliver so his job was to go and make sure they did yeah because in Soviet Russia how it worked is like you would make the you would make the

screws in Moscow and then you would make the bolts in Rostov and so on and so they did it wrong they did it very wrong but that was part of their strategy they thought they were doing it right they made all of the materials to build one thing in a million different places around the

country so Chikatilo he went out his job was to go at this point it was in 1984 his job was to go from Rostov to Moscow to pick up some linoleum but when he came back and the bookkeeper checked in the order she found that there were 70

pounds of linoleum missing and since nobody liked Andrei and usually a lot of people turn the blind eye because theft was expected in the Soviet system that was just built into it but since nobody liked Andrei he was arrested in sentence to a year in jail so the only

and that's how he got arrested and that's how he got arrested it wasn't missing linoleum the great linoleum thief of 1984 yeah it was yeah it was the fucking molestation it wasn't the murders it was missing 70 missing pounds of linoleum that put Andrei Chikatilo in jail for the first time and he only did

time served he did three months but of course once he came out he waited a further six months before killing again and during his trial this is what trial psychiatrist pointed to to say that he was absolutely sane because he was obviously in control of his facilities yeah for six months what I really

what is very interesting too is that like I feel like even after just three months in a Russian prison don't you not want to go back I think that's why you took the break though probably right yeah yeah he took the break but on the other hand especially if you have all that beautiful linoleum

flooring at your house you just want to get back there just hang out on it it's such a nice flooring first victim at a prison he stabbed her 38 times before strangling her and at this point the police did have a fairly accurate description of him it was age 25 to 55 tall well developed

physically blood group A B shoe size 43 breast size 34 C he's still a baba after all carries an attaché with sharp knives possibly suffers from impotence knowledge of human anatomy picks up victims at bus stations and railway stations

and his job allows him to move freely across the country which we look at in hindsight as yes of course that's Andre Cicatillo but if police would have brought in everybody who had that description they would have ended up with thousands of men in that area and across

Russia right and of course if they brought him in the different blood type and sperm type would have immediately eliminated him difficult to find I guess here is that like but what is interesting is how like just the gigantic search for him would lead to all these covering up some of a bunch of these other crimes like they would

solve a bunch of other murders and rapes and I guess cases of homosexuality yeah they horrible strange thing yeah being gay I guess it's still illegal in Russia still illegal yeah it's still a thing but back in those days it was even more legal yeah during in their search for

Cicatillo they cleared up 1062 crimes including 95 murders 245 rapes 100 cases of serious bodily harm and 105 cases of homosexuality was Cicatillo one of their better detectives technically and also most of those cases for

homosexuality were just like busting up places that made burlesque costumes right which is upsetting so he's out of prison he's got a fresh start and he's got a new job and the new job is a lot like his old job he still had freedom of

roam across the country but of course his employees at his new job hated him as well they said he was cold distant and always complaining his colleagues said they never heard him laugh but when he smiled it reminded them of a crocodile and if you look at pictures of Cicatillo smiling at his trial

yeah that's fucking crocodile he's got more of a snarl and also his colleagues never heard him laugh but when he smiled it reminded them of a crocodile is like a great about me like a dating website I don't laugh but when I smile co-workers say I'm crocodile

but again I mean crocodile but also sometimes snapping turtle I'm just looking for love trying to make connections I think his co-workers were just drunk very funny they were all laughing because they're blasted off a vodka so by 1987 he committed

three more murders across the Soviet Union and this is a little slip up on his part all of his business trips were recorded by his employers so when investigators started investigating Cicatillo they were able to look at the records of his business trips

and cross reference them with records of murders across the country which was one of the big things that also helped think of incidents in 1988 he killed an additional three the objects of attention the killings pretty much remain the same as tongues nipples genitals

but by the late 80s much more precise like I said earlier he could avoid spurts as he stabbed and slashed so it's kind of like he became like a hope solo right just kind of like the slaloms and you talk about this is really I mean this really does show you how

easy his job was he had a psychiatrist in Rostov of course children were going missing but he did a test in Rostov where he would drive around in his car and he'd ask children to get into his car but hey

you want a ride come on get in the car and he said in a quote alarming amount of children would without fear climb into the passenger seat of the car to unknown location it sounds like he towns and doing research argument

I mean yeah yeah yeah but that does tell you how easy it was for kids to just you know trust an older man yeah I mean it's simple that's the person I at least trust is an older man we know that now but back then

you know that was the guy he trusted so in January 11th 1989 he lured Tatiana Ryskova 16 to a vacant apartment he stabbed her in the mouth and strangled her and this was the only time that he killed inside every other

murder was out in the woods so he could just leave the body there but in this case he had to dispose of it so he hacked the body into pieces cut off her head both of her legs wrapped all the body parts in her clothes put the bundle down in the cellar while he cleaned

up the apartment upstairs after he mopped it all up he took a sled from out in front of the building put the body to a railroad crossing of course the sled came stuck and in just classic serial killer fashion long comes a friendly stranger to help

him unstick it and is like oh my god this is heavy and yeah there's a girl in it that is funny you know you smile it looks like a crocodile it's so funny because also people sometimes say snapping turtle do you want to be friend

so after the man left Andre stuffed the bundle into some large pipes and the remains were found nine days later there's so many body shaped pipes in Russia yeah so after investigators found this body they knew for a fact

that it was the railways everything the railways were the key to this entire operation so that Russian police began to stake out as many as 600 plain clothes officers were on the case at one time some of them had to lie in pits

that they dug along the side of the road and cover them up with branches and leaves uh no one will notice you everyone's gonna take your big hat with leaves on it and stuff I am three no one look at the rest is three

and there were also police women decked out in short skirts and heavy make up and Chickatillo never bit never even came close because they looked ridiculous yeah they he knew so if police were concentrated on rostov he would move to the town of

Novotrask and it was discovered that he was killing there and the police would move some to Novotrask that would weaken rostov so he would move to a third city he would go to Shakti and then once the investigation went there he would go back to rostov

so it was just this big shell game it's kind of funny if you play that Benny Hill music behind it it seems like there's a type there's a term for this type of investigation which is it's some sort of trap where they there's ideas to like

kind of smoke them out it reminds me of the Australian serial killer episode when they put the shotgun in the bush and they just had the string to it damn and that didn't work either no so that summer Chickatillo killed four more times

three of them were little boys he killed a ten year old boy named Alosha Kobatov and of course Alosha was fascinated with horror movies it was around this time that the Soviet Union started becoming a little bit more open

this was during the period of Glasnost in which things were starting to open up in the Soviet Union and so horror movies were coming to town and they used to show them these places called video salons I just feel like in Russia people would be like

this is very funny comedy but where is the horror of course Chickatillo picked him up on the corner of Karl Marx street and Soviet street on August 28 and he approached the boy

started having a conversation and he said I can show you some great horror films if you like I've got a big collection in my cottage why don't you come with me and I'll take a look which is also how I make friends which makes that

let's go back to that's how we all made friends really it's like hey come over to my place we'll watch a horror movie we'll gauge each other's reactions when we both see that we both feel nothing then we become friends perfect

so this is the one that I'm talking about that was a little artful may not be the right word the full horror movie experience so a couple of years this is definitely the do you want to see something really scary it's like that movie last action hero

the kid gets sucked into an action movie but this kid gets sucked into it he gets sucked into a terrible horror film so they start walking back to Chickatillo's house and Chickatillo says hey why don't we take a shortcut through this graveyard Chickatillo years earlier

again if I were to meet with somebody that wanted to go see horror films I would literally do the same thing and people would be like cool yeah cool so he took the kid into the graveyard and a few years earlier Chickatillo had contemplated

suicide fairly hard he'd even dug a grave for himself at this graveyard and this was years before that's the hardest thing to do first yeah it is it gives you time to think I rarely say this about suicide but sometimes do it now Chickatillo

go ahead so he had already dug a grave for himself this was years before he shows up and he gets this bright idea like hey let's have fun with this kid and this grave so he takes the kid there and not only is the hole still dug but the shovel he had used

to dig it was still propped up against the tree next to the hole so he jumps on the little boy he hits him over the head he bites off his tongue he cuts off his genitals throws the body in

and as he's chewing the genitals he buries the boy was the boy alive still or do we know I believe the boy was dead when he threw him in and it wasn't until Chickatillo's arrest that the body was actually found and by then it was no more than a skeleton because of course no one noticed the freshly dug grave

in the graveyard I guess my dream is going like now you enjoy yourself especially comfortable grave because I built it for myself so in 1990 Chickatillo killed 8 which of course was his deadliest year

since 1984 and of course in reaction to this and he really was a bottomless killer it's kind of crazy it just never stopped for him he didn't have any significant cooling off periods at all no

the only one was between his first murder and the second murder there were I think 3 or 4 years between the first and the second one but that's the only one that he that's the only characteristic he shares with a lot of other killers the one thing about Andre that he doesn't share

with other killers is that he shows no sign of ever wanting to be caught once he is caught he has an urge to confess but he never shows any sign of wanting to be caught there's never a stop me before I kill again right so in 1990

he killed 8 that was his deadliest year since 1984 and of course in reaction to this and witnesses reporting a middle aged man in the company of young boys a lot of those were coming around or a lot of the witnesses were coming forward Soviet police organized

a massive stakeout in major stations in Rostov and this was their first smart move actually they organized a big police presence in the major stations in Rostov but they placed undercover agents at the smaller ones

because they thought if they flushed them over to the smaller ones then it was it would be easier to see who was doing it it technically did work but not completely it did work but due to the incompetence of the Soviet police

it did not work on November 6, 1990 Chickatello killed and mutilated a 22 year old woman on a corner stick in the woodlands near a station called Danslerach and while leaving the crime scene as he came out of the woods

covered in leaves and grass stains and dirt a policeman saw Chickatello approach a well and start washing his hands and face he had which was like literally just a well that had a sign that was like four murderers and he had

a red smear on his face his bandage that was a cut on his hand and the officer of course he looked a little suspicious but he thought that a popular pastime in Russia which we talked about before is gathering wild mushrooms

people love gathering wild mushrooms they were video games so that's a problem but of course but Chickatello he wasn't dressed like a forest scavenger he was dressed like a normal dude like he had on his jacket and his tie and he had a nylon

sports bag which you couldn't really that's not good for carrying mushrooms is it possible the police officer thought he was another undercover police officer playing the bush was he on bush duty wait are you on bush duty bro you're just you're on kill little girl duty crazy

so the policeman stopped Chickatello checked his papers but he had no real reason to arrest him so he let Chickatello go went back to the office followed a report and then followed a report and then put it among a card catalog

that this is insane this can also this tells you a lot about Soviet Russia and this also tells you how Chickatello got lost in the shuffle they had a card catalog of all the suspects that was 500,000 names long and it was all

written by hand do they have that Dewey Decimal system and I feel like that would come in handy here yeah no they had no real organizational no real organizational records like it was pretty hodgepodge and so

they found the body of the woman that Chickatello killed that night on November 13th she was the 36 known victim linked to the manhunt so as far as the police were concerned there were 36 victims of the serial killer but they didn't know that there was actually about 14

more than that that they still had no idea about so at this point they weren't taking him seriously yet you know no just a 36 I mean who cares that's it yeah they were like 36 once he gets up to like 70 then we'll really start putting need on you know what I mean because at this point he's just helping us conserve as much we only have so many buckets

of soup for everybody right so the more the people that that are gone the better so police of course they looked over all the people that have been stopped over the last week and they found the report that the police officer at the station

had filed and they saw the name Andre Chickatello but Andre Chickatello had showed up more than other names he'd showed up a few times he'd showed up way back in 1978 with that first murder he showed up in

1982 with that spate of eight there and they had actually brought him in and that was when they took the test that cleared him at the time everybody hated him and nobody liked him anytime they talked to anybody about him they're like yeah he's

probably a boy killer I'm not really sure but as far as I know he doesn't drink vodka they're like doesn't drink vodka there was one woman that worked with him said that she looked over his shoulder in his workbook he was writing in his workbook and he was just sitting there

drawing crosses like little tiny crosses well that is artistic yeah I guess that's fine it's like drawing the little like weird graffiti S's like the chain link S's I'd be more concerned if it was that so police put Chickatello under surveillance

and they saw him approach lots of young women and children and of course the woman or child would break off Chickatello wait a few minutes and then seek another conversation partner and so finally after six days they hadn't seen him do anything

and Chickatello barely didn't know that he was being followed he left his house on November 20th with a large jar that he had filled with beer of course ostensibly to go find a hooker and say hey let's go relax just right hot jar of Russian yeah it's disgusting

disgusting to me and as he exited a cafe for plain clothes officers walked up to and arrested him and he made no attempt to resist yeah yeah because then it's just like alright let's just do this

let's get this going and so he after ten days of interrogation he finally began to confess to the murders the reason why they had kept him despite the discrepancies in the blood and the semen type was because a couple of years before

there had been a Japanese report out that said that it is possible for someone to have a different blood and a different sperm type it's a one in a million thing but that wasn't something that was discovered until you know relatively recently and around like the 90s

so it was really he was just acting like a Times Square Elmo just going around harassing random people and they would branch off pretty much and right God the video of the confessions because basically it's him in a room a hot room of other of all

shirtless Russian men screaming at each other and then it cuts to him with like dolls of little boys and it's just like you know because it's voiceover on the documentary but it's just him just going like I stop and I stop and then I chew and then he's going like chew on the genitals and chew near the nipples and stuff and

he was very animated very animated but my first thought it was just like God that room a smell disgusting ten drunk vodka soaked cigarette just fucking body body waste

yeah if like if an NFL team drank vodka on the sidelines instead of Gatorade just imagine what that locker room would smell like well speaking of the crowd the trial of Andre Cicattello was populated by a typical Russian crowd or at least the book that I read said it was

a typical Russian crowd he described them as quote aggressive and ill tempered oh they also put him in a gigantic metal cage to protect him from the people but meanwhile like when you see video of the trial it's him just sitting on a stool like literally

going like ah like snarling at people and shit well that was his one chance to get the nickname he was a ghoulish looking fuck too because he shaved his head some people say that he shaved his head because the police were looking for lies other people say that he requested to have his

own hair shaved and so this because if you look at his mug shots I mean he definitely looks creepy but he also does look like Russian grandfather he just got bad hair he's got that wispy weird like gray hair and he's got like deep like

I don't know what it is it's a communist stubble that he has yeah but he shaved his head for the trial and he looked like an absolute monster everyone seen pictures of Cicattello's trial and why is he wearing a Hawaiian shirt most of the time

he was having fun one must have a hint of color have you seen the board cage that's funny anyway I chewed nipples off because it's fun to chew I love how springy they are it is a funny movie it took nine hours to read the charges against Cicattello

and on the first day of the trial he I don't know where he got it from but he brought a porno mag out of his pocket and waved it in the air he would constantly interrupt the proceedings with shouts in fact one day after a particularly noisy standoff with the judge Andre took off all

of his clothes waved his soft penis at the court and he said look at this useless thing what do you think I could do with that so he's using his small dick defense I see the flaccid penis defense that's perfect it's very interesting because

they really let him express a lot during this trial because there's also a theory that's why he was trying to do this activity to bump up like being considered insane and also just prolong the amount of time between his trial and his soon to come death

right I mean that's him and his most comfortable and you know they still put people in those behind the cell walls behind the you know yeah the cages the cages today that's probably the most comfortable he's been all day and all week yes oh yeah so on October 15th Cicattello was found guilty

of 52 of the 53 murders and sentenced to death for each of them which one got away from him what poor family didn't have justice at the Cicattello trial no man he did that's unbelievable he was also found guilty on five counts of sexual assault

committed during the years he worked as a teacher in the 70s so they brought those charges back that's nice I'm just fascinated by this jury was it a jury trial no in Russia you don't have trial by juries so you have just a judge how did the judge have enough evidence for 53 out of 53

but he's got two they have two members of the public that sit next to the judge oh right so yeah they have it's weird but it's like it's just three people yeah I think that's a destiny child system Beyonce is the judge yeah and Cicattello

just like Ted Bundy screaming tell them the wrong as soon as Cicattello heard the the verdict he kicked his bench across the cage and just started shouting shit and the whole time that he kept back in I think like 88 his son

had a garage built next to his apartment complex and of course there was a lot of sewage involved so Andre Cicattello took that as his little pet project to rally against the Soviet system at the time so the entire time during his arrest and his

trial he kept saying that he was being persecuted by the higher ups in the communist party for protesting stinky toilets oh yeah all right yeah which is just like you know you might as well just go to California and protest against palm trees

it seems like Russia is mostly stinky toilets oh yeah but when he he was given an opportunity to make a speech he said nothing and on he did do a weird interpretive dance to 17 that's sung by

Fleetwood Mack which is really interesting and on Valentine's Day 1994 Cicattello it's romantic hallmark made up the holiday I don't get me started but let's get back to Cicattello

Cicattello was taken from his death row cell to a soundproof room in Novcharkovsk prison and was executed with a single gunshot behind the right ear these guys do this real fast real equations like it's just real there is no discussion

literally it was like not that long after the fucking end of the trial like they just take you in there and just pop in it back of the head looks like it was about six months six months that's it get it done that's very interesting actually five months and as a bit of an epilogue

to just show you how fucking brutally depressing and sad the Soviet Union is remember the guy that was executed for Andres very first murder wrongly executed so after Andres trial after he was found guilty prosecutors eventually tracked down the mother

of the wrongfully convicted because they wanted to apologize to her and when she heard the news she broke down and cried because she had not even known that her son had been executed in the first place yeah because it just like maybe you send her a letter

and like because the post office is mostly run by like stray dogs with letters tied to them they're like she didn't get the letters until like a week ago this is why you don't apologize for anything because maybe somebody doesn't even think you did something wrong yeah he was sending postcards from his vodka

tasting right like trip that he was taking through Siberia I mean this woman as far as she knew her son was just an asshole that hadn't talked to her in 20 years I guess it's a relief to know that he's dead it's a relief to know that he was wrongfully executed for a crime he didn't get

that had to be all for those cops man I'm sorry we have to let you know that your your son was innocent of all the charges we wrongfully executed him you killed him killed him what do you mean you killed him never mind we didn't he's still alive he's doing great so the birthday party is over so we can't do the birthday party

well this is just what an insane story man you know and again it's just like it's a perfect combination of psychosis and environment he's a brutal fucking killer probably one of the more brutal that we like America has a we have a flair yeah you know I mean like

Richard Ramirez has a fucking what a great story like Andre Chickatello is just the fucking I don't know what it is it's almost like entropy it's like people just like disappearing into time and that's just what he's a part of he's like the brutal underside of the

communism of like what happened in early communism yeah yeah he did parallel his life paralleled the the rise and fall of the soviet state almost exactly it's creepy yeah yeah good I'd say good point Ragnar yeah good point Ragnar and let's not say Ramirez's

story was that great interesting it was interesting it's a fun story just because he like not fun is also you know I'm just saying if Chickatello I'm just like Chickatello could have made it a little bit more entertaining by like dressing up as a raven

or like being into like you know like really into like AC DC really getting into that sort of thing like getting into Danzig real hard wearing shirts and talking about how like he's the fucking channel of the devil he did put on a great theatrical put on a great theatrical event

though during his trial so he did try he did try you know what they call a soft penis in Russia they call it a pink necktie I've heard that he isn't a great time to wear one of those alright let's see we got the live show coming up this Saturday up this Saturday

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