Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 147: Charles Manson Part 1: An Incarcerated Life

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

It's part one of our three part series on Charles Manson! Today's episode brings you Charlie's upbringing in various correctional facilities, his rise as a sexual dynamo, and the beginnings of The Family.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started I'm talking about mr. Charles. I'm talking about mr. Those are my lyrics That's a good song Man, can you imagine what his underwear smells like? Oh my goodness well-treaded grass Disgusted some reason I think about that all the time when it comes to like, you know either our founding fathers or Like the president like what is Obama's balls smell like I bet he probably has the nicest smelling balls of all if any president in US history There's no like two onyx or right just of a unicorn hoof

Yeah, definitely and then of course Manson smell like a like a gin-soaked bramble bush Yeah, and then Roosevelt is somewhere in the middle there Well, no, can you imagine Roosevelt? Yeah, we'll chair nuts We'll chair nuts have to smell the worst out of all the nuts. There's no doubt about it You can only get him cleaned once every three days Absolutely because it's a problem is because Eleanor hated lifting his ankles above his ears In order to get to him. She's just like oh better get to him for oh look at the getting greener than normal And that's the been this week in last podcast on the left presidential history

Welcome to show everyone. That's Marcus Parks. I'm Ben Kitzel. We're joined all the way from Los Angeles by Yeah, you're there you're out of the pokey you're out of the pen Street, that's what I know. Yeah, I was born with a knife in my hand. I got Sounds like you just sell your shoes. Oh, no, he just has like the greatest frozen in time The vocabulary he does like possible like as we watch was you're gonna listen to this episode Charles Manson is such an Interesting interesting character. Yeah, he's like of course He's sort of a jazz musician kind of a serial killer or not even a serial killer kind of a you know He's a bebop kind of guy boy. We went across America and we was on this trip that man. It was a job

Ah, right then what'd you do? We stabbed a bunch of women. Oh, okay. I thought you were gonna Right so in case you have a slip with it was born with the mustache All right, so obviously we're talking about Charles Manson today And Marcus once again crack job on the research. Thank you, sir amazing stuff. Let's just start At the beginning of his life, which man this guy did not have a lot of chances he began his life as No name Maddox in 1934 that is the name on Charles Manson's birth certificate. So his name is no name. Yeah, his name his given name is no name

That's how we started life The big thing with Charles Manson that is very interesting is that he's different than any other big hitter that we've ever covered in terms of like He had definite goals Like he was a person that like he he's a con man I think we're gonna see that as as we lay out Basically a kind of our thesis here at Las Pognes is that Charles Manson is not necessarily like he's not a dommer Like he's not a John Wayne Gacy He's just a con man that I was always looking for his next game and then it just so happened to be that the game changed

He is the game around him changed and he was just now in for the ride if he wanted to be a part of it Yeah, he's a lot like Kurt Cobain, you know He was just the most charismatic person on the scene and they made him the star and then of course Kurt Cobain killed himself But Manson lived Manson lived and he still lives and he's still fucking hard as a rock They're having sex with 25 year olds. I can't believe it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't believe Manson is a sociopath I don't think he's a psychopath. He is a sociopath. He is a sociopath. You think he's a sociopath Yes, because because he has he suffers from the same things that they basically talk when you're looking for a sociopath

He's glib. He's really good on like he's really good on the front of like talking to people and stuff like that He does not feel consequences for his actions when you read the book Manson in his own words, which is fantastic It's so good whenever do you get? When do you get an autobiography written by the killer? You know, I mean like it's very rarely very rarely happens And so he is it but in this you basically just he has no feelings really I don't know to me. He said it seems like he's got quite a bit of love in his heart All right, all right, so let's have the audience decide one thing we know for sure as we'll get into here Marcus has a lot of compassion for Charles

Creepy amount. I have to be in studio with them Henry. So at least you're an entire coast away So you're safe. You're fine. Maybe don't come back for a couple of days Marcus might be going on one of his sprees But like all social passes I'm putting my street front girl. I'm gonna be wearing a dress on the quarter alone. Yeah, exactly Jackie and I are gonna be Horning out for pimp Marcus Ain't him in burritos. I mean come on guys Is there actually ever been a musician that was a sociopath think about it? No, not Bono

But like all the heavy hitters we've talked about Previously his childhood was extremely abusive and extremely traumatic and he was really birthed into the world with a The doctor had steel hands. It was a cold world for the poor boy. He was born. His doctor was Colossus. Yes, that's correct He was one of the best but also the worst doctors in America, but he's the worst doctor in America best doctor in Russia He was born to a prostitute named Kathleen although Charlie says he she wasn't a prostitute Charlie calls her a flower child of the 30s 30 years ahead of her Because it would only existed during the flower child era Yeah, I would also say that could I also love in Manson his own words because he talks about his mom

She's like no, my mama. Yeah, haha. She would go around She was a friend of a man. Oh And many a man, but what do you call a prostitute? No, no, no, maybe she sold her bottle a little bit We never call because he loves his mother. Yeah, he does Yeah, he does and we're gonna be taking a lot of this stuff from Manson in his own words I did cross-reference a lot of this stuff that he said with other sources and let's just say they don't always match up Right, who are you gonna believe you're gonna believe Charles Manson? Are you gonna believe some fucking dickhead DA named Vincent Boogli Ossie? Boogli Ossie?

Yeah, buddy get behind the curtain start wearing a mask go beyond Broadway. You sound like a phantom That's ridiculous like an Italian horror screen star So Kathleen she sued we don't know who Manson's father is for sure all we know is that she sued a man named Colonel Scott. I will say this when your name is Colonel. We're giving the name Colonel as a boy That just shows well We actually don't know what his first name was that was just the name on the lawsuit It was Colonel first name unknown Scott. Is it possible that his father is Woody Allen? I'm just throwing it out there. She could be the guy from Kentucky Fried Chicken. Oh the Colonel

So she was awarded a lump sum of 25 bucks Plus five dollars per month to raise little Charlie, which really isn't that bad of a deal back in 1930s Yeah, 1934 was when Charlie was born. So Kathleen she came from an extremely strict Christian household She was rebelling against her parents His mother believe or her mother believe that the showing of an ankle was sinful and makeup was evil only used by Hookers Kathleen had Charlie when she was 15 that whole Christian trip that's gonna come in much That's gonna come in a little bit later as far as how it affected Charlie This is for the parents out there. So if you

Sometimes you got to let your kids go out and look like horse That's like sometimes you just got to go out there let him go out and dance and around show that show that mid-drift All right, because it keeps them from having a Charles Manson. Yes later on in life. That's right Yeah, where the name Manson comes from was from a dude named William Manson who is much older than her I lived with Kathleen shortly after Charlie was born. He convinced her to marry him, which was not a good idea Try how difficult was that? Yeah a 16 year old girl with a one-year-old son named no name, right? I mean if she says no to him he needs to off himself immediately actually no it wasn't no name. It was no Nama For it was just really so we really for uncared for child. Oh

Yeah, yes, and Charlie said he didn't know whether divorce was his fault or his mom's somebody placed most of the blame on her He said, you know, she was always a promiscuous little broad. Yeah He's mom's relatives delighted to tell the story of how my mother once sold me for a pitcher beer Mom was in a cafe one afternoon with me in her lap the waitress would be mother without a child her own Jokely told my mom. She'd buy me for her mom replied a pitcher beer These yards waitress set up the beer mom stuck around long enough to finish it off and left off plays without me Several days later my uncle had to search the town for the waitress to take me home. I hey some some family's

That is verbatim from Charlie Madsen some family some families have like game night And then this family was just like leave the baby at the bar for a picture or beer night And that's kind of I will tell you that if I I've been at the bar several times and have been broke And if I had a child and could and in that moment, right? You asked me to give up the child for straight booze because the booze helps you forget you even had a kid Yeah, right. Yeah, I would do it. I agree. I would say it's probably Charles's fault that they got a divorce because I cannot imagine that someone's like I would marry you But you don't have a one-year-old and I'm really looking for a woman who has an annoying piece of baggage with her at all times

So not kid. It's literally been like a professional pickpocket since the age of four years old, right, right? So Kathleen not surprisingly was sentenced to five years in prison for armed robbery pretty soon after the bar incident So Charlie went to go live with his overly religious aunt the sister of Charlie's mom and a sadistic Uncle until his mother got out of prison and when she got out of prison He describes it as the happiest day of of his life She got out when he was eight, but his mother who sold him for beer Yeah, that's how bad his uncle was that when she got out. He's like, thank God. Maybe I'll be sold for whiskey this time And the reason why his uncle was sadistic and is he in the first day of school

Apparently Charlie was a bit of a sensitive child bit of a crybaby So his uncle was of the mindset. You're gonna be a little crybaby. I'm gonna treat you like a crybaby You're gonna be a little girl. I'm gonna treat you like a little girl So on Charlie's first day of school, his uncle dressed him in girls clothing I want to say that that's actually a very progressive thing for his uncle to do And I don't believe the gender norms need to be necessarily applied to children at a young age and Fort Green, Brooklyn That sounds amazing. I mean, I'm looking at these kids What I will say though, they talk a bit of an interview with his aunt and his aunt was like Charlie

hated going to church, but he'd love to sing. What a beautiful voice Charlie had Oh my god, so after she got out of prison to aid they traveled around the country for a few years Just bouncing from man to man She tells us she Charlie tells the story that her mom to that one night Her mom hit a guy in the head like the badass guy in town He grabbed her ass. She hit him over the head with a bottle of whiskey and she said Charlie, we got to go and Immediately they were out of town and that was the life that Charlie lived for a few years, but man That's that's called loved it. That's called an Alabama wedding

If you grab a chick's ass and she smashes a beer over your head, you're married You owe her money. The other thing too is is that Charlie during this time was also becoming like he called even called himself like a bit of a rank-functious child is that he Has been developing criminal skills, right? Basically watching his mother about this whole process and like every one of her new boyfriends would all kind of say the same thing I can't be with this woman and her creepy kid I keep calling them they're like either creepy kid or like kid who's like Could like I like sneaky around. Yeah sneaky was another word they used because he would go in and he would pick pocket and stuff

So basically Charlie Charlie Manson is the perfect Mixture of all of the skills it takes to be a criminal. Oh, I thought you were gonna say a newsie Doesn't he sound like a little British kid? He's about to jump out of soapbox and sell the papers He's it. He's more of a chimney sweep. Yeah, and anything, but which we'll find out about when we go to the UK We'll have to watch our wallets won't we boys? Yes. Yes, we will but really I mean, you know Charlie at this point you can still claim that he's innocent. He's just a child following his mother's lead I'm sure she's like steal that guy's money, you know, I'm gonna blow him you steal his money It was kind of it's kind of sweet a little weird way, you know, a little kind of yeah

It's kind of Harold and Marty a little bit. Yeah So after a few years she gets tired of him when he's 12 She goes to a judge says listen. I can't take care of this kid anymore. Put him somewhere else They send him to a boys home. He escapes from the boys home. The mother rejects him says no listen I don't want you go back to the boys home. And so after he's there for a little bit So he after his mother rejects him. He goes back. He escapes and he goes to Indianapolis To live on the streets. So this kid Charlie Manson at 12 He's living on the streets of Indianapolis trying to survive. Why would he go to Indianapolis closest to close the city?

Okay, he said in Manson his own words that he went to Indianapolis because he knew that it's much easier to hide from the law In a big city than out in the country, which is also just like a ridiculous thought for a 12-year-old to be able to have You know, I mean like yeah, yeah, she knew that But he was living on his own yeah like six months He like was was stealing whatever money he could and living an entire new apartment. He was doing better than you kissle Yeah, that's amazing 12 years old. I can't believe he was able to get His own place. Wow all the ladies coming through there. He was driving, huh? Yeah, well, it was a stowing car Well, nonetheless, but he had a car. He was this is adorable. Yeah, it is kind of adorable

He's kind of an adorable man. This is what Charlie's day out Charlie's day out. He's like that problem child kid. He's just yeah, man What a hell of a 12 exactly what the problem child kid would have grown up into yeah Yeah, if he wouldn't if it wouldn't have ended in murder Charlie would Charlie Manson would have been a Really fun guy to talk to at the bus stop Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but then you also like at the end of you're like, are you ever even are you waiting for a bus? So, yeah, he goes back to reform school Also, like if this was like 1880 he could have been president presidents also started like this

So many so he goes back to school. He escapes with wire cutters at one point and leads 35 Juvenile delinquents out onto the streets of Indianapolis Most of them got away. He got picked up two hours later in a stolen car And that's when they send him to I think one of the places that fucked him up the most the Indiana School for Boys Yeah, it was a reform school a state school and he was abused by correctional officers and fellow inmates for Three full years. He said that the only good thing he could say about it is that they had an impressive front lawn They must have the little rascals comes to mind. How did he even reach the pedal? What is he's like five four as an adult when he was 12 he had to be like four eight

Yeah, he would had to use a tiny guy. That's another thing people So there's also what's interesting about this this time period, too Is that he keeps calling back to this time period as being like basically Indiana School for Boys was so rough that it? It's at several patterns where it made read every every other prison that he served time in feel like a vacation home Yeah, and so it was easy for him to do time and it also basically showed He's been kind of given a bad hand Charlie was given a bad hand since the very beginning like he was like he's grew up as a kid basically forced to be a criminal and now

That past is gonna haunt him through this whole thing and basically set up his whole fucking life for him because basically he walked into the Indiana School for Boys with a reputation as being a hellraiser and so the guys at the who ran the nana school for boys were decided We're gonna beat the fucking hellraiser out of Charlie Yeah, one of them picked up Ross silage from the dairy floor apparently that a dairy there He's got tobacco juice in it in the saw in the silage and then he shoved it up Charlie's ass saying I got him lubed So fuck him if you get the chance. Oh the old 1700 proctology exam Yeah, cuz apparently that whole thing is is that it be the officers of the Indiana School for Boys would get snitch kids

Basically get snitch kids to rat out other kids that we're gonna do they were doing bad things And then they would turn their back the counselors would then turn their back when those kids rape the other boys Yeah, see that's the thing snitches get stitches, but in this situation. They got extra cheese sandwiches So sometimes you get extra cheese, so it's sick and he also I mean and he also definitely had retribution One of his rapists he actually almost beat him to death with an iron bar and then framed one of his other rapists for the crime That's brilliant. Yeah, yeah, I mean he definitely got some revenge in there. Yeah, I'm telling you man You put a laugh track underneath his life. This is funny This is this is humorous. It's technically like the story of Arthur Fonzarelli

Hitting jukeboxes getting to play technically theft of services by the way So 16 Charlie escapes makes it as far as Utah And so they take him out of the state reformatory and then throw him into a federal reformatory Which he describes as much nicer. Yeah, apparently there's a lot more oversight in the federal reformatory Sure So that's you know, he's moving on up as far as the federal price as far as the prison system nicer Literally just means that no one put silage mixed with chewing tobacco up his ass Anything is nicer. Yeah, I just hit it all the different various like, you know, they forced him to work dairy

He was beaten with a cane like every other day for like it was for any offense Yeah, and then the guys who ran the dairy was this sick fuck who would just like may it would work him really hard to the point Where his welts from the being cane were were bleeding and Like actively while he was doing the work and he would have the boys come and smack his ass. Yeah as he was working Oh, these corrections officers are total sadists and psychopaths and pedophiles They all they're all they would have loved to be in that Franklin Credit Union. That's for damn sure. Yeah He said that he had strong sexual urges urges urges that got him in a trouble from time to time He said at this point the only climax is he he's had was from quote jacking off or sticking some punk in the butt

Right. Yeah. Yeah, he said Though it doesn't he seems to transcend we'll get into it. He doesn't seem to be gay It's like a different kind of thing. It's a weird. Yeah, it's a weird thing like he just it's just one of those things where It's all as a whole this sort of like the Michael Cheigh joke. He's now the SNL weekend update guy where he talks about how you can you can't catch Gay you can only catch gay in prison. Yeah, and that seems to be what happened to him. Yeah, he well It's also I mean think about it He had spent though his formative years from the ages of 12 to 16 into in boys homes where it's like basically he was jammed into these Places where all these these kids were sexually developing and they were just like

Get a bugger get a bugger it. Yeah, like all over each other and that's got to be dangerous I mean, they say that this even happens. There's this open secret in British refer or boarding schools that those kids there they you know, I'm generally fuck each other with a fair regularity That's not a secret. Yeah Yeah, man, that's why I just want to see the secret files of the damn Dumbledore I want to go over to Hogwarts and see them tiny wizards all crawling all over each other Cone on each other's cone hats and sticking to wands off his soid themselves. Yeah, you don't want to activate that one though

It turns your prostate into a gerbil Terrible. Yeah, that Jimmy Saville has nothing on that Dumbledore. That would be crazy So it's a matter of record that Charlie was caught having sex with a younger inmate while he held a razor to his throat And that was a you know, a lot of people say that was one of Charlie's first violent acts That that was when he had been pushed too far But here's what Charlie says about that particular incident. I was cues holding razor blade this kid I screwed him in the ass Truth was the guy was an undercover queer and he wanted to take his ass

And I didn't mind doing that to him with both the greed that if we got caught he could say I forced him We got caught Sounds like it Charlie You're sticking with your story that he was an undercover queer like the gay community sent him in there to bust the To bust you Yeah, he said, uh, I didn't have any respect for a joint punk then and I don't know No, he does not. No, he does not. No, he does it. No, and he should have because they deserve it

God five foot five man. It's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing that he was able to survive at all in these situations Really? He said that's what he he says talks about that all the time honestly. I said because of his size It's he had to do everything to an extreme Absolutely had to always show people that he was fucking nuts in order to Basically, he even says it in this thing and it's true It's kind of like that Kurt Vonnegut quote of being like, you know, we are who we pretend to be but you must be careful Who you pretend to be yeah where it's like he basically created this image for himself And he was this crazy like fucking maniac and then eventually began to believe it. Yeah, right, right?

And he was in some sort of involuntary institution From from the ages of 12 to 19, right? Like he was either in a boy's home or in a reformatory from 12 to 19 Now when I was 12 to 19, I was looking up to like Chris Farley John Starks wore some of his idols He was looking up to any criminal that happened to be in front of him that could give him any hint into what Life could be like for a person like him and these were like his teen beat these were these are his idols Like everyone else looks up to sports stars. He looked up to criminals like members of the ma barker gang

Like he just looked up to these people like they were the end all be all like this is who he idolized himself after So 1955 he married the first woman he slept with And moved to california, of course And the way he describes her to it She's like she wasn't much of a piece But I have you know her silky smooth skin was better than any rough bars of any prison I've ever been in Maybe you're better than prison bars. Oh charlie

Oh, I love you. I can't I would just love the moment where he's bringing the razor up to her neck and she says don't Hey, I don't gotta do this ugly as a dog when you got a hand you lip and you gotta you gotta butt the size of Mississippi, but I will say is I Will sleep with you Thank you charlie Thank you charlie Can't believe it

So of course yeah, well actually uh what you guys just said that exact thing will happen later on Like that exact situation right up to the copious body hair So he has no skills outside of prison life So of course he returns right to crime gets the woman pregnant and at 21 he gets arrested for car theft Sentenced to five years at terminal island, which he called quote a paradise. He loved it. I'm saying The Indiana school for boys made everything else easy. Yeah, right everything so while he was in jail His wife took his son and left him for a truck driver He was and he was never in contact with his first wife or his son ever again

And of course he wanted to be he wanted to go straight, you know while he was a family I'm gonna fucking get my life together. I'm gonna get out. I'm gonna get a good job Of course the wife and kid leaves. So he says fuck it. I'm gonna become a pimp But you learn this a lot with him is that he has a lot of these moments which I think is very common in people that are lifelong criminals where he Basically used to being like I'm gonna go straight. I'm doing this. I'm going on the straight narrow I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a good citizen from here on out and then it takes the it's just really the tiniest reasons They hit me to go like well fuck life. Fuck. It's not even a tiny reason

He didn't first of all in this reform school. They didn't exactly teach him anything. No, and uh, I'm which I'm I'm shocked, you know Um, the the u.s. Reform system is so unbelievably educational, but um, but there is no choice What's his other option? He has no idea what to do in groceries. Yeah What's this weird foot five foot five guy walks into your uh, Costco. Can I touch the produce? No, get out of here. Go steal a car. Yeah, you know, I could use my mind to rearrange these peanuts So, uh, he has a dream of being a pimp and he gets out and he becomes a pimp And I love how he described it. He described being a pimp as being the bank president of crime Oh

That's a low charlie's expectations where the bank president is the bank president of crime. Yeah, I I think so But you know what he was and this is not surprising Considering what became of his female followers later on in life. He was a fucking amazing pimp In what way? How was he so good? And he was Because he would ask all this these this advice as to how to use this like how do you turn a girl out? And like to other pimps in jail And it was like what you gotta do is you gotta get that girl's head make her love you more than anybody else Tell her that you love her more than anybody else

But how I love your how deep powerful your love is compared to anybody else's and then tell her to sell her pussy on the street Oh, that was the advice and so he and it worked. I think that's how simon cowell treated kelly clarkson after she won american idol But he he was talking about with his because he was like basically this like pimp philosophy About how like you could like all women want to do it And it's so fucked up because according to charles manson He had a girlfriend as soon as he got out of jail and they were out of money and he was just like baby, baby, baby I've been Hustling and stealing for us, but I don't think we make it ends meet. It's like will you sell your

Pussy from me, right? She was like sure thing charlie. Yeah You bet and but the way he also described. He's like man. I was sitting in that car I felt so bad about it and she came down and boy. She loved it She loved every second. She just had a great time He's like a developer who walks around and he's like i'm gonna build a building there and he sees the future He sees money wherever he looks Oh, so it's also charles mansons fucking perspective. Yeah, like women just loved it

The women were so happy to be prostitutes. They were crying and crying and crying. They must have loved it so, uh, he um Unfortunately transported some girls across state lines to take them to some conventions. So he's some conventions. Were they going to comic-con? Yeah, it's like the fucking republican national convention convention I didn't remember when it came to new york and there was a flood of prostitutes in the town. Oh, okay That that's what you remember ben. I remember. Yeah. I was one of the prostitutes So charlie he goes down to mexico city where he says he partied and mingled with bowl fighters who taught him how to use a Cape and a sword

He took mushrooms. They didn't understand a damn word. He said so. Yeah, man. You don't understand what i'm talking about with squeeze shoes I'm just flopping a cape and a bowl and they're all just staring at him. He's been like you've got to get out of here Bulls scared of me, man. I can talk to bulls like you watch me go. Move move All right, all right. Will you please go so yeah So you will stop our mexican act if you please leave We're all just brown americans So please get out so he hooks up with some yaki indians get some mushrooms from them

And he develops a reputation as a real tough gringo which brings the federalis down on them They send him back to the u.s. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison Oh, man. The story with yaki's indians is so stupid He's just like you're like Everybody said oh better not go to those yaki indians That's the only way you can get mushrooms from the yaki indians, but they hate white people But I was like, oh, I'll show you I walk right up to the yaki indians and they're like, who are you? Why here?

Please leave and he's like I'm your friend. I'm your buddy It's like mushrooms are for spiritual exercise. Please leave tiny white No, no, man. No, do me and then he was just like and so it's like I wanted to show that I had a gun for trade So I pulled a gun out of my pants and I pointed the gun that indians face and he was like, no, please do not shoot We'll give mushrooms and he's like, no, no, man. It's for you. It's for you Now put the gun in his hand and then he took he grabbed the hand and then apparently yaki indian took the gun Shoved it into mansons stomach and pulled the trigger like five times. Yeah, no hesitation. Yeah

Just was like I'm gonna fucking kill this guy and then when it clicked it was empty It was a click click click click and mansons like just smiled at him and the yaki indian was just like You crazy brave white man. Come on. Do mushrooms with us Come let us trip the light fantastic together. God. It's amazing. He transcended sexual orientation race all with crazy Yeah, all of us are crazy. We just got all these new dark side of the moon vinyls And we hear they are extra cool if you play backwards That is brilliant Look at our velvet painting of bull riders. You will love them

Is it not trippy as balls? Very cool tiny white man Please let us pause and go to gadzooks for more black lights Yeah, you never see a native american at gadzooks. Why is that? They should be there more So, uh charlie gets sent back to prison. He gets sent back to prison a 10 year sentence And he starts looking back on his life falls into a deep depression He starts studying all kinds of different things. He starts studying islam psychology hypnotism

And surprisingly enough the one thing that spoke to him more than anything else Scientology that makes sense. He's crazy. Yeah, he's an insane person Scientology is how he picked up several members of the manson family Yeah, is that they were a people that were already interested in because we've talked about it a little bit We have to do a whole episode about science. Oh, and we're gonna we're definitely gonna but it started as sort of a street philosophy Where people were really selling it on the street I guess they're doing it now the same way, but it was like it was kind of like a hip thing If you knew about dianetics. Yeah, all the all the stars were doing it immediately. That was elrond hubbard's big

Uh trick. I mean, there's a brilliant move. Yes, it was. I think you said a star is equal to 100 000 people something like that Yeah, uh, so he goes through all these different philosophies But the thing that he finally decides on that's going to change his life the one thing that he's going to dedicate his life to His music Yes, and what good music he created. It's all right. That's why I said good. I said it was good But it just sounds like he became such a fucking thick head about his music Right, because he's all it's just like my music was my passion. I played music everywhere. I went I didn't care what people said. I showed them my music as soon as I met them

I was like, oh, you got to hear me play the guitar and can then you imagine being dragged into a cell With Charles Manson a baby Charles Manson just staring at you as he plays the fucking guitar and you have to go like It's good You got to go like that too. Otherwise you are dead Yeah, so charlie and this is another central part of charlie manson and what's behind The Manson murders so john douglas who wrote the book manhunter, which is one of the most famous, uh true crime books It's ever been written. Uh, this guy was part of the behavioral sciences unit and he actually believed and I take this guy at his word Uh that charlie's main motivation in all of this was to be a rock star

Yes to be a musician that was the driving force behind Everything that he did he literally was head like the early because technically the Manson family was like twitter followers He thought that like but he thought that having this group like when we'll get to that point But like he was like, oh now I'm in once. I already have my fucking hot chicks that are, you know Manson level hot chicks and they are pretty hot. Yeah Squeaky is hot squeaky super fucking. Yeah And so was uh, Lindsay Lindsay van houten is also very attractive All you need is two and then the other girls just kind of dance around

And then you think oh, they're all hot. No, it started with a librarian, but we'll get to that here in a bit Yeah, yeah, and start with the librarian with copious body hair. So we'll get we'll get in that later Uh, but he while he was in prison. He learned a lot about guitar from a guy named alvin creepy carpus Who was convicted of 14 murders while he was a part of the mob archer gang in the 30s Oh, all right, and he was a very good guitar player He was a great guitar. He played steel guitar mostly, you know like country music So charlie learned a lot of folk from him and another important thing to remember about him and his music Charlie was in prison from 1960 until 1967. He fucking missed the 60s

Uh, so he's taking up for time the vast majority of it like his music taste was stuck in the 1950s He was playing that kind of stuff and of course he learns all this stuff from creepy carpus Uh, which is kind of country type stuff. Yeah, it's all like hey there, mr. Biscuit. Can you put your shoes in my wallet? Oh mr. Biscuit all the worst Songs at least it wasn't like the 20s because there's no way you can get all those tubas and uh all those other big band music Instruments in there. No, that's tough. The guitar is a perfect prison instrument. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it's not as annoying as the as the harmonica Oh, I always had to play that. Uh, what was that thing called there? Not the flute the white trash flute the recorder the recorder

God damn three hundred and thirty pound ben kissle with a tiny tiny recorder You can leave now ben. Okay. Thank you. I'll never learn the recorder Smash the recorder. I did smash it So in a june of 66 he was transferred back to terminal island and terminal island at this point a lot of I mean, this is a time of you know, johnny cash live at fulsome prison This is a time when musicians would regularly go to prisons To try out new material and to try out new band members Right, this happened quite a bit and this happened up until this was still going on in the 80 or in the 70s

If you watch this great documentary called heart warren highways, you see david allen co going to a prison To play for all of these guys and of course what you know, all these guys all of his friends that he was previously in prison with He didn't know a couple guys. I'm sure he did. Yeah. Yeah, he's so manson was probably just like they're all coming to me Yeah, i'm the smart one. I'm already here. He legitimately thought that he was just like, uh, this is the best place for me, man Coming through here, you know, it's like nothing. No, definitely what they want to hire as a five foot four Like tiny wiry crazy eyed man Crazed by the fucking steel guitar So at seven years after charlie got there he they released him from prison only problem was charlie didn't want to go

Like he actually stay in prison. He asked them like can I stay? Please let me say so sad I'm so happy here because all he was doing was writing and performing music He said that performing music was the only time he was ever confident in himself The first time in his life that he was ever confident in himself Oh, it wasn't when he had the razor blade to the guy's throat as he was butt banging him I don't think no confidence there. I don't think there was much confidence. It wasn't a confidence move Seems to be a confident move to me. I don't know

So they gave him 35 bucks in a suitcase of old clothes Uh, and at this point he had spent more than half of his life behind bars And his prison conduct sheet at the time of his release it and this is a uh, this is a uh, perspective of charlie The charlie doesn't necessarily have of himself at this time his prison conduct Sheet said he has a pattern of criminal behavior and confinement that dates to his teen years This pattern is one of instability whether in a free society or a structured institutional community Little can be expected in the way of a change in his attitude behavior or mode of conduct Oh man, they didn't mention my music

God dammit Yes, and he is a I mean, he's a very promising singer-songwriter who should definitely go seek out famous record producers in los angeles There's also no way that he's going to help kill Sharon tate. So send him free So he gets out in 1967 it's the summer of love And charlie's like right smack dab in the middle of it and like I said the summer of love had no idea What was coming for it? That was that's what's so awesome I I do love charlie for it too because this is in the later 60s as it was heading towards the 70s

That the the san francisco scene or like the whole hippie movement was already beginning to take a turn for the right Oh, everyone. Yeah after five years of doing mushrooms every damn day your brain starts to go crazy and the society crumbles around you Yeah, the summer of love was the peak the rise and fall of the hippie music or the hippie movement the true one is fast It's like real fucking fast That rises and falls in a period of about six years or so. It doesn't last very long So charlie he doesn't he missed all the 60s But he just heard that hate ashberry was the happening scene down in san francisco So he goes down there shines shoes for a while and he said that a 15 year old kid turned him onto the scene

I mean did they even wear shoes? He's like hey there. Um wild eyed crazy man You never heard of a band called the grateful dad Check them out. They're they're pretty good Yeah, shine shine like you gotta do like what you gotta do when you see them is do this stuff called Acid I'm not really sure. I'm 15. You know, I'm just trying to go to school. I'm trying to be I'm trying to be a president. My name is bob dole robber dough Yeah, and he actually charlie manson did actually take his first hit of acid at a grateful dad concert

All right, and he said he loved it. I'm not surprised Time of his life So he was one of those guys around hate ashberry that would just wander around playing his music for anyone that would listen He'd go into bars and ask the bartender. He's like, hey, could I just play for some tips? And if nobody gave him any money, he'd put on his loudest voice and say I just got out of prison And me and my two partners had come by this place to rob it I'd talk my partners into letting me try to earn a few honest dollars instead of robbing the place

Now if some of you bastards don't put a few dollars into this empty hat so that I ain't a liar I don't know how long I can keep my two partners from walking through that door with their shotguns And he said it was surprising how effective those words were He was technically mr. Manson that is robbery actually at this point now I swear to god everything that charlie manson says sounds like a fucking murder fist sketch It really does I mean that's what so he was because he has the same logic. He has the same murder fist logic Right, which is just being like it's like, huh? How do I I gotta be an honest man. What am I gonna do?

I gotta crime my way to it right That's crazy He took acid at the Grateful Dead concert everyone up there for the Grateful Dead is just having a great time thing about peace and love And they don't even realize they're entertaining the person who was going to end their entire movement Yeah, that's weird when you're an entertainer when you're in a band or a comedian or a sketch group You never know who's in the crowd. You might be making A serial rapist or a serial killer just love you like murder fist. I'm sure after a murder fist sketch show

There was at least one person who goes up to end rooms like man, you're my favorite comedian You're so goddamn funny and in three weeks. We're gonna read in the paper. He had a bunch of Babies uh in a cement box underneath his apartment Please last podcast on the left listeners if you are having any thoughts of murder or anything criminal, please seek help Seek help But I will say I think that anybody within a five foot radius of charlie knew that he was going to be a murderer You know, I mean like knew that he was going to be bad, especially at that concert When he was just like dancing like a little too hard

to touch of gray, you know So eventually charlie made his way up to uc berkeley Uh, just to play a few songs, uh, and he man. Oh, he didn't enroll. He's not gonna go. No, he's not going to berkeley Oh, not going to berkeley and he meets the very first member of the charlie manson family mary brunner aka mary ochi ouch mother mary mary manson linda d manson and christine marie youths That's the one that's the name that I don't I don't know where that name come from

I don't know how you get the nickname of christine marie youth Yeah, youth sounds like something that would go with a southern breakfast You know all the manson family, they all had their straight alias moll at least most of them did Uh, they had that name like because they got arrested a lot for having false id Right, right. Yeah that they would just throw around uh, and they did but they all did get arrested I'm gonna be star crust manson and, uh, catherine blubbered. Yeah. Hi. Hello. My name is robert moon tree pemberton Okay, mr. Pemberton So mary brunner, she was a librarian who had just moved to california from wisconsin

Oh, all right. Well, that explains the hair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't have many friends Wisconsin women are beautiful. They are beautiful. I love every single one of them and if you're from wisconsin You are for me So charlie talks his way into lettner stay or let him stay at her apartment after a few weeks They started sleeping together, uh, and as charlie described it is just a beautiful courtship But this is actually kind of romantic a few weeks. I mean he didn't aggressively sexually assault her or anything like i mean Well, that's what charlie said. He said that uh, he said that uh, you know Everybody paints me is coming out and immediately starting to fuck all these women

But i'll tell you what it was quite a few days before i got my balls out of hawk Ah But then he didn't exactly not exactly romantic four days. Yeah four days. He really had his he had his fucking way with women And it's true. I said, I think honestly, he was just he was he was good on the bush Yeah, he was good on that bush. Well, you know, in fact, he's uh went on about the uh, the first sexual experience between him and mary brunner in manson in his own words He goes on about it for three pages three pages three pages of erotic literature

It's it's uh, it's like a 50 shades of gray situation. No, it's very very it's like very sensual It's very delicate. He talks about how he learned how to please a woman It's all about pleasing the woman and how to go on a uh on a journey with her And this is if we could please get one of our amazingly talented last podcast on the left Fans who can create the graphic art. I would love to see mansons face on the on the cover of those romantic novels Instead of fabio or these other big buff models really true and again up to this point charles manson It's kind of a cool guy

Look, he's kind of he's a mess and he's like a very like he's got to be rough to have a fucking conversation with But he's got a cool pass. Right. He he eats that tush 247 everyone knows how to talk a good talk. Yeah, he does man I know it. Yep. Now was he up front with his criminal past to these people? Absolutely. No, that's how he got them Yeah, that's how he was a cool dude. You know, he's like, yeah, I'm a criminal. I've been in prison. You know, I know the ways Yeah, uh, and but he said that that experience taught him that quote sex is more than a stiff dick and a hot box That's nice, which I just think that's that's a great thing to teach your kids Yep sex is more than this is also this is where he also started began his fucking

Guru rap. Yeah was during this time was that like while they were having sex and he would just be like You are god. I am god. We are all our own gods We are made of the universe and it was like because started this thing which was just like awesome during sex Yeah, and then it started realizing I can use this all the time Yeah, that's exactly the way that pastor Joel Osteen started his ministry as well and now he's selling out Yankee stadium So yeah, but it started with like a four-year-old boy. He's telling them that you are Clifford the red dog I am Clifford the red dog. We're both Clifford the red dog, which is kind of gross He also brings the 16 year old girl named Darlene into the mix who doesn't really stick around with the family all that long

Uh, but he did he loved the power that all this gave him that he was a he would Fuck Darlene during the day and then fuck Mary at night And the power that he was able to have over these women that how he was able to essentially hypnotize both of them Uh, he fucking loved it. It gave him the confidence to deal with people Right in a non-prison sit in a non-prison setting. Sure. Sure Which we're also going to see here too where the seeds that are planted that like honestly of all of the people that you Could compare Charles Manson to I would compare him to like Hitler. I would say that he it's the same thing because he's got a Inferiority no, I'm not saying I'll agree with it. No, not on a scale

But as far as personality goes fairly similar He's got an inferiority complex that expresses itself In the way that it did we're because it's all about control and power and nothing is and Because his sexual desires are being satisfied like when Hitler had like Jewish girls pee all over him, you know You know your grandfather jump. Yeah, your grandfather was feeding him Gatorade Yeah, yeah, my granddad was on Gatorade duty that I think that's actually that's where it all began like Like many technologies that started in Germany. Oh, she's getting so posh. I can tell from her urine Haterade there

And Charlie, I mean he fully admits he said at this time He said I was aggressive adventurous and felt like I understood the minds of most of the kids that flooded the streets Like he knew it's like all right I get these kids because these kids are they're disaffected. They they feel like they're rejected by society A lot of they're searching for something a lot of them are runaways. A lot of them have criminal past but He not long after this relationship He hooks up with this reverend named dean more house who gave him a ride while he was

Hitchhiking and this guy more house gives Charlie a piano And Charlie took the piano and traded it for a cheap Volkswagen van And so at this point the Manson family is mobile Brunner quits her job And they start to just drift around California Meet another woman. I think you would have been cooler if you were to just put tires on the piano You know just roll around that I can see the Manson family Well like the Chuck E cheese group Slowly turns into a snoopy like thing

Or like ride in the top of it. It's got like a steering wheel Now did anyone learn how to play this damn thing? Yeah, he said we will see that this is you were right here in your assessment too It's like this is what made this is what made the Manson family quote unquote possible. Yeah was this fan Yeah, it was that this is when recruitment Could truly begin because then they had a house because this little Volkswagen Bus was their home for the next about year year and a half until they got a hold of a black school bus Uh, so which is honestly if you are looking to escape your house in, uh, Wisconsin or Minnesota or some rural parts of the south The idea of rolling around, uh, the the west coast inside of a black school bus is fucking awesome

Yeah, and a van is like, okay, but that's a hell of an upgrade. Yeah a van's all right. So they uh, they wanted around for a while They wanted around uh, southern california. Uh, they go down to LA where a former prison contact told him that he could uh Set him up with a producer So charlie calls up the studio contacts just just los angeles. That's all of los angeles That is like what los angeles is as a whole of just like a guy a criminal promising you that he has connections to a record producer And then you show up and a guy with a fucking like jukebox costume on fucking steals your wallet exactly Yes, because the the studio contact was quote out of town For a few days. Yeah, he's out of town. Uh, so charlie just said, you know, they wander around LA

Where he meets a young freckled red hair girl named linette Aka squeaky from no linette from is like literally squeaky from is a woman out of time She is a woman that it's just like because we were gonna do this a while ago and we never did it But I want I also see that too if they're if she existed and there was like an okcupid profile Oh my god, yeah from it would blow up Would just be exactly what you wanted, you know, just like, you know Easygoing girl looking for a good time just want somebody to stare at the stars with and you know and eat my pussy Will call on me jesus right squeaky from like redheaded cute approachable

Squeaky from I definitely would have sent a message to her on okcupid definitely would have swiped right on the old tinder That's well, I mean she would have been thrilled with it marcus and thank you judith for photoshopping that wonderful photo of me coming of me coming to the rescue of squeaky from or Uh, carrying her out of a courthouse after she made quite a mess in there Or she was not she was not complicit in any of the murders, but in 1975 She did pull a gun on jerald ford ford jerald ford jerald ford she pulled the gun and the gun didn't go off Well, of course not because it's jerald ford everything went wrong around that guy Fell down constantly the man was a goof

And she was sentenced to life in prison for that right? Yeah, that's what that would do that So as a kid she was a performer in a popular local dance group called the westchester larriots Uh in the fifties being forced to go see the fucking westchester larriots on a sunday. Can you imagine? All right, let's go see the fucking larriots again. I actually think people probably loved it She was on the lorenz welk show. There you go. She performed at the white house. Wow for t t for two and two for me God, I love this show. Take off your shirt

And here's a really interesting fact that I had no idea about and this is another interesting thing about the mansom family Is that they have a lot of connections at one point in their life to famous people Squeaky from was friends with phil hartman in high school. Yeah, that was insane. Yeah, the late great phil hartman from s&l Yeah, unbelievably. Who would that story that ended? Isn't it weird that squeaky from lived longer than phil hartman? I don't want to Henry. I don't like the joke Henry It's it's still too soon phil hartman psycho wife from north dakota cocaine fiend That's why you can't marry someone who also wants to be famous. They get jealous never marry a fun person

Never they don't that's that's that's the moral of that story. Yeah, you and blow for a little while It's a great time staying up all night banging all the time and the next thing you know You want to go to sleep, but she doesn't and then you die She uses the permanent alarm clock that wakes you up into heaven The old revolver to god And of course squeaky she was not a happy teenager She worked at a canvas shop where co-workers would see her burn herself with lit cigarettes She'd shoot staples and were forearms with a staple gun. Definitely. I was friends with a girl who did that exact same thing

Yeah, I was in love with the girl in junior high school that carved curt into her arm That was like the the hottest thing to me. I thought she was so cool like curt loader Big big big MTV news fan big MTV news. It was actually yeah, it was Curt Douglas is what she kept saying and I was like, it's Kirk Douglass Though in high school squeaky, uh, she started getting rebellious started taking drugs drinking a lot Uh her she got into an argument with her father over the definition of a word Uh, and so she packed her bags and left home for the final time lord What a powder cake that must have been every dinner. Yeah, it was just like what the fuck are we gonna argue about tonight?

Yeah, the word was father and they they disagreed with what it took to be a good one. Yes, that's sad Yeah, that was just sad big because that seems like that could be very likely what it actually was Yeah, it was probably like what does it mean to be a dad? He's like I've taken care of you and she's like you haven't eaten me You don't care about me. You don't care because again a big thing you're gonna see um Uh, we're gonna let's see as a pattern with all of these women too is that they that standard like feels uh Look out of place Feels like they don't have a group feel like they don't belong of course like they don't like, you know They don't belong to their families. They don't belong to society. Uh, and charlie

Kind of got this ability from prison There's this is basically it should have probably came from prison, which is like instant reading of people Yeah, I'm being able to like pick out who's vulnerable and put his point of view directly in their heads And they are ready to like join up with him and keep in mind because they're lonely. This is the 60s Uh, we're still in the 60s. This is 1967 1967. This is well before Ted dancing ran a bar called cheers, you know, so these people didn't know where to go They didn't have any other place to be wherever when knew their name, you know, this was it here's existed then Share and tate would be making I don't know devil in the details three or something. Oh my devil in the details

Is one of my favorite franchises That is a great one. So uh squeaky ended up in venice beach. She met man said of course he charmed her and Scott I would love to see manson on venice beach and mussel beach. Oh, man. Yeah, look at them. Yeah. Yeah, I think they think they're tough They think they're strong, uh, they're not strong. They don't know the strength of the mind my friend They don't know the trip that I'm on just tears of the barbell for like 15 minutes trying to raise it. Yeah, not today. Okay So they she goes on the road become in the second member of the manson family along with uh mary bruner, of course the music contact never got in touch with charlie So they go back on the road

And this is at the time when charlie start when he's introduced to the concept of commune living Which of course would be put in a place with disastrous results later on Uh, and this is also when he started proselytizing the young people about his philosophies This is when I mean they were never really solidified all that much Of course, there was helter skelter and the race war and all that type of stuff But this is later on that was the final this is rough drafts Like this is what this is what he admitted. He liked the feeling of power Uh, and he may but he maintains fish that's on top of a mailbox. You could make a wish

I'm just saying also random shit like that. That's true Yes, and he maintains that he did nothing but good quote Other than nailing a few underage broads who are already giving their bodies to whoever they fanted Well, that is pedophilia technically. Yo, no, no, he fucked a lot of underage girls. Yeah. Yeah, and maintains in many cases that uh They loved it. I'm sure that he does maintain that. This is charlie's story. Yes. That is his definitely charlie's story Uh, so the next member was uh, patricia crinwinkle aka big patty aka yellow aka marnie reese. Why are you guys calling me big patty? Because she's Can we call me delicate patty?

Your name's patty. Yeah, you're big. So you're big patty. Yeah, but she was no most commonly the family is katie She's the one that wrote the infamous death to pigs on the wall of the lobby onka's house And she was just thinking about food And she was also the one to write bacon is my favorite I hear bacon said write death to pigs. I she also is a uh, I saw an interview with her now Like she came out. It's like it was in 2000 Uh, I think it was in 2004. She did this interview from the new york times Um, and I was watching it and it she's like she couldn't be more remorseful now

And it's just oh, yeah, I'm it's so full of shit. Yeah every time I mean I understand they were manipulated by charlie But also he was a five foot four maniac. You have to yeah, there has to be a lot of suspension of disbelief To be bought like to live with charlie huge disconnect. Yeah, she was also the one who misspelled helter skelter Yeah, which is embarrassing to say the least one job Yeah, she put helter skelter helter skelter. Yeah on the fridge. That's just devastating Yeah, she's also the the longest serving female in the california penal system. How long she's been there for? Uh, got she's been there since 1974 72 so quick math. Yeah, because she committed She got convicted of seven murders and then like there was like her and a group of like inmate like an inmate support group

And they're like, all right. Let me just guess which one of us She's a woman talking to a group of them basically saying like who's been up for the parole the most times and then patty raised her hand And they're all like, haha like laughing about it. And I was like she killed seven people Well fat patty, you know, she's funny though. She's you're not laughing when ted bundy does it It's just because she looks like a cute old grandma now, but it's like she was a fucking Mania she stabbed abigale folger the heiress to the folger coffee Fortune she stabbed her so many times that the cops when they found her body Thought that her white dress was red. Well, that is the worst part of going to sleep

Uh, folgers is the best part of waking up and then getting stabbed to death. That is that is that is a different commercial Holy lord, so she suffered from low self-esteem She was teased for being overweight and because she's fat. She should have lost weight That's what you do when you're teased for being fat you lose weight and you succeed in life So she also had excessive growth of body hair, uh, which was caused by an endocrine Condition and she had taught sunday school in the past and she'd even thought at one point of becoming a nun How was the person who proves the fact there is no god because he made her fat and hairy trying to teach kids that there is one I don't care about body hair

But if you have to specifically mention in every single thing you read about a person named patty crunch wrinkle The fact that she has excessive body hair I've got to be a lot. It's like I don't care. I don't care whether you shave or not, but it's if it's like Hanging out of your hat like if you have to shave your forehead right to go to the grocery store Like I mean like, you know, you just become a wolf woman. You're a wolf woman Everyone has a wolf woman. Everyone has body hair. Everyone can jump. It doesn't mean we're kevin durant, you know It's like this woman was like she's like an all-star. She's a pro of body hair. Yeah So she met charles manson in manhattan beat beach in 1967

Uh squeaky and mary. They were already along for the ride. They were already known as charlie's girls Uh, and during those famous interviews, uh creme winkle said that uh, she slept with manson the first night they met And that he was the first person that ever uh told her that she was beautiful after they slept together She put her head in his lap. She in his lap. She cried and she said charlie You've given me a new world. Anything you do has to be right. God. It's take me with you wherever you go It's a bizarro charles angels, isn't it? It really is just like well even manson kind of harps on that for a while Just being like, where do you think the fucking charles angels charles angels name even came from it came from me

They've been buttoned off my side for years. That's my trip, man. Right. Yeah Nope, so she hops in them. She quits her job leaves her apartment her car behind hops in the van goes down to san francisco And charlie said at this point he said the party was mine everywhere we traveled So he's got he is having the time of his life like this. I'm sure he is lifestyle is man I mean because he's spent half his life in fucking prison right fucking dudes and really again They don't teach you anything in prison the fact that he has gotten this much success is pretty it's he could have actually Been a successful person if his mother wasn't a prostitute and he wasn't abused since he was born

This tiny creepy man showing up with everywhere. He goes with this flock of women that are all like magic women They're all like running around and like dancing and taking drugs and freely sexual and it's like that's an incredible package He's like he's walking. Yeah. Yeah, you see that guy pull up to your town and he's got these cute girls with him He's got a guitar. He's got a little glitter in his eye. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna talk to that guy You're gonna listen to that guy, especially in 1967 if he was in Libya. He would have become the dictator. He's good Christ's sake So next he picked up Bruce Davis aka jack Paul who was briefly considered a suspect in the zodiac killings Oh, I mean I was also

Yeah, the zodiac killings a pulse would do it now Manson. He liked having another dude around and also the guys You know they had a lot in common Davis he was a musician. He had an interest in Scientology. He was an ex-con. So these guys were real fast friends. That just shows you It's just it's like sometimes women can like he's having sex with all these women Even he's just like can I get a guy? Can I get a dude in here so I can have a conversation? God Talk to anybody about the fucking Packers. Yeah, I'll go to Manson. Love Degree Bay Packers huge fan

So he this guy Davis he drift in and out of the Manson family for a few years He even would you know, he would head up the London branch of the Scientology That the London Scientology branch for all he got kicked out of that He came back to the Manson family and he was implicated in the murder of the stuntman over on the spawn ranch Which of course we'll get to later So in Nevada The crew they got rid of the van They picked up the old black school bus which they would drive around and for the next 18 months or so

You know and people would drop in and out. He said at one point there were like 20 people living in this van like just cramped And packed but he said that his music reflected that it was the happiest time in their life And of course he tries to go and give the music contact another try And the producer surprisingly agreed to meet with him this time. Yeah, uh, but uh as they were heading back down there They picked up uh Susan Atkins a.k.a. Sadie Mae Glutz a.k.a. Sexy Sadie a.k.a. Donna K. Powell Now how come she has to be a sexy Sadie and I'm fat patty this doesn't make any sense Big patty you're a big patty Different names is how it goes fat patty. It's got a fun little rhyming scheme. It's sexy Sadie. It's kind of cool

Just sexy it's a beetle. It's a beetle song. You love the beetles, right? You don't want us to miss out on a beetle song name. Do you come on? Big patty come on. I've been trying to lose weight. You know that So soon as Anakins she had dropped out of school and moved to san francisco She met a couple of escaped convicts there and hit the road with them. They committed a bunch of fun women Yeah, a little unpredictable unpredictable unpredictable Manson women

So they hit the road. They committed a lot of armed robberies up and down the west coast They were caught in organ the men were sent into prison susan got probation after serving three months in jail And when she was released she went down to san francisco Got work as a topless dancer It was there that she danced in a show called the witch's sabbath Which was organized by church of satan founder anton labai. Wow. I would have given to have been there That must have been so much fun Yeah, so susan met manson at a party listened to his music fell in love with it

A few minutes later slept with charlie quitter job and joined the group Wow, yeah, and this is an end that and so now we're coming back to the moorhouse family Which you'll fuel remember reverend dean moorhouse was the guy that gave charlie the piano that he was able to trade for The vw band band which eventually gave him the power to recruit and to get the manson family together apparently charlie wasn't done with him for reverend dean moorhouses 14 year old daughter ruth an a.k.a

Weesh a.k.a ruth an hublehurst a.k.a rachel susan moors was infatuated with charlie after the tate murder She said that she knew of 10 more murders other than share and tate Charlie had originally taken ruth an out shortly after taking the piano. They'd go to the beach She was 14 charlie was 32 and when the first time they had sex Uh ruth said but my daddy and before she could say any more charlie whispered Get your daddy. I'm your daddy. Doesn't this feel too good to be wrong? Oh, and then yeah, and then comment on this. He said you sent me all those children in the 60s who went through hell with me Yet. She's the only one I took from you

All right, the only one the only one he considers that he didn't consider it to be wrong But he also considers it like he does he felt bad about it He's like, yeah, I did fuck a 14 year old girl when I was 32 years old. That's gross. I did do that With a lead singer a blur is doing right now probably damon albert. I have no idea who he is I don't know why you thought about the lead singer a blur. I don't know. I just what was that song this Uh, so whoo-hoo that one. Yeah, that song that makes you think I haven't sex with an underage girl What's no no, so of course the family came uh for manson threatening to kill him But manson pretty much just tricked dean into taking acid and then just sent him on his way

It's just like, you know what man, you know, this is a whole trip You know, this is the trip that I'm on right now and you know, you're on the god trip and I'm on the god trip too But everybody's god. I'm god your god your daughter's god and god decided to have sex with god god decided to go to the chief This will help you understand all of it. Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah He pretty much just talked him around in circles while he was tripping balls uh on acid and sent him on his way But according to charlie dean came back weeks later not to hurt him But to get more acid because he loved that trip that charlie was on everybody loved the acid Gotta lick something so it's I gotta tell you i'm sweating on i'm sweating under my breasts

And that's the trip that i'm on yep the old sweaty under breast trip. I love that one So it's at this time that the family comes across an infamous Uh la party house called the spiral staircase And apparently there were there was double worship going on here satanic activities Uh animal sacrifice blood drinking a lot of whips and chains type of stuff and rumors of human sacrifice But of course anytime satanic stuff comes around there's gonna be the rumors of human sacrifice But manton he blames the spiral staircase this house for the turn that the family took from like the funding games Loving sex type of lifestyle that they've been living for the last couple years

Into the madness that eventually overtook him. He described him as quote a hardcore multiple devil worship and a bunch of people You know and I just feel like you know when a party goes on too long and starts to get dark Yeah, that's kind of what this is is that when you've been drinking and doing a lot of drugs and it starts getting that turn Yeah, that really weird turn and this is where it basically happens for them and it switches their whole perspective Because really at this point it was a sex-based group. Yeah, they were just trying They were all having sex with each other and like doing for love and that's kind of a thing And it just started taking this fucking turn and then charlie being the common who he is It knows he has to be ahead of the curve has to

Now in state himself as the leader of this devil the worshiping group Yeah, and they're all too fucked up to climb or climb down a spiral staircase anyway, so that's just Really just makes it a one one story house. Yeah, this is when charlie. He has his first vision of being a christlike figure He said he had he was uh doing acid in this house And he said a figure in a white robe told him now charles These are your loves and you are their need and then charlie himself in the hallucination became the man in the white robe How much acid how much so much? Yeah, because he's I mean he is looking around the room And he believed that he was controlling every single aspect of the room

Like he saw a guy that was looking at him sideways and he said, you know I made him fall down and break a lamp and there was another guy like there was a woman dancing in a In a hallway. It's like I was thirsty. So I had her go get me a glass of water She went and got him a glass of water Uh, but yeah, he was so fucking high so so high and so after this strange episode In which man there was a another strange episode after that another christlike thing Manson he was just wrapped in a dirty fucking white towel He was washing a man's feet

Which you know when you're in the middle of like a really weird fucking acid trip or a weird hallucinatory trip start putting Shit together for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah things just kind of start coming together You start doing just weird shit was going and susan akon said Charlie was dressed in a white robe and I had so much love for him. I thought he was jesus It was a shit-stand white towel. Yes, it was but in in response to this charlie said Except maybe in jess. I mean no one else ever said that shit White towels some very dirty feet some words from a dope talking dingaling broad can lead a bunch of people into believing A guy is some kind of god

I feel there are a lot of people in this world who are crazier than most would like to believe I am So after things started to get weird sex wise in this house charlie took the girls and left although They returned many times over the next year or so And he said at that time not in a million years Could I have been convinced that things would turn out bloody and bad? And that's where we're going to end our first episode on Manson not in a million years not in a million Not in not in one million years that thought wouldn't have crossed through is not in one million years

Do you think they would turn out bloody in that party was just guy though We're going to be ball and then laugh and for forever But then it turns out eventually things have to change and then if you want to stay in charge of that group You have to change too. Yeah, right You will see that change god. He is who do you think koresh or manson or jim jones? beauty scale Best looking who is it? i'm with jose manson. I'm giving it to koresh honestly. That's a tough decision jim jones is an old man kind of like bigger

Manson had the eyes yeah, yeah manson definitely had the eyes bring into account height bring into account height That is true. I'd imagine koresh was yeah. I mean if you're going for the full package But charlie better fashion sense. That's very true minus the uh play the guitar Poorly no no koresh played the guitar too. Remember he was in a band He was great and jim jones. He only played the slide whistle which was a problem. Yeah more of a public speaker type So ladies go to the facebook page and let us know koresh jones or manson. Who do you think is the tramiest? So in two days tomorrow, it's it's halloween. Yeah, oh my god. It's my favorite holiday and i'm so happy I'm going to itlana

To be for the last ever atlanta zombie apocalypse if you are in atlanta I suggest going tomorrow night to the atlanta zombie apocalypse. It's going to be fucking nuts Apparently they have had several code greens this year, which means a code green is to throw up from fear Several people throw up all over themselves. That's perfect maze So i'm excited for it. Well, don't eat too much before you go in Oh, no i'm gonna have a big slab of bbq Oh, yeah, don't have those three hot dogs that you and jackie had at halloween Oh, yeah, by the way on the last round table jackie described her experience with you slightly different than you did mr.

Zabrowski. I said i was scared. No, no you did not. No you did not. I told you this story about the fucking Dracula guy fucking out and i fell over the fucking stalactite You said you said it was nothing but political correct garbage just commercial nonsense You're a drunk It's 11 a.m. I'm possibly drunk. Yes possibly. Um, all right everyone. Thanks so much. Uh, we'll do a hail yourselves Yes, hell yeah, and uh before we get out of here Don't forget to go to cave come to radio comm slash last podcast on the left for more episodes And to get your last podcast on the left t-shirt. We just sent out our second batch yesterday

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You ordering and we'll get them to you as quick as possible as quick as humanly fucking possible So yeah, thank you guys so much for all the t-shirts that uh that you've ordered so far And uh, thank you in advance for the ones that you will order in the future. All right. Let's go to the maghustillation Oh, I'm sorry I just want to say hail satan everybody again satan. I just want to put it out there Say thank you for getting me through trials and tribulations. Thank you for giving me power and powerless situations. I love you satan You're suddenly real charles manson there. I'm gonna go real charles manson And hyal gene. All right

How me? All right, everyone. We'll talk to you soon See you fuckers Oh happy halloween. Yeah, we said happy. Yeah, we said happy. Yeah, but still happy halloween again. Yeah, can never say it too much You can't I love it. I love it