Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 148: Charles Manson Part 2: The Turning of the Worm

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

Our series on Charles Manson continues with Manson's music, his relationship with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys and how a long list of unfortunate circumstances and coincidences led to the eventual murder of eight people.

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escape to. This is the last talk on the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? How was your night? Good, dude. Good. Yeah. Just did a couple of shows and then I watched the returns and everyone was very

sad. Yeah. Oh, is that the zombie one? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's the return election? There was an election. Oh, yeah. So we lost, huh? No one won. No one lost. No one lost. It doesn't matter. No one ever won. This country

has been bought and fucking sold. But sold. A long time ago. I don't care what anybody says. We are all a part of an end game that has been played out and started with George Washington's fucking wet dream 29,000 years ago. He never came.

I'm just saying George Washington never ejaculated. Elections aren't real. If you vote, you're just, uh, it's good exercise. I voted for the sticker. I voted and I got a sticker that said I voted and then it was a conversation

starter with ladies at the bar. I did not vote. Yeah. Well, then you don't get a sticker. Then you don't know what to talk about with the ladies at the bar. But the problems with the sticker is then they go like, ah, so you

voted. You're mostly getting just like mailmen and like guides that used to be senators. Yeah, that's right. I remember when I used to count on a vote and they always disappointed me. Yeah. And then they go in and they sniff your

snick or they sniff sniff on your sticker and they remember the good times. I want to smell that sticker glue. Smells like 1976. This country is doomed. It doesn't matter that we've already there are several layers of secret governments that are

working on the black ops operations that are controlling democracies all over the entire globe. It is interesting. They actually talk about a lot of the announcers are just like most of the corporate money that came in or the independent individual

PAC money that came into these states or from out of the states and everybody on the panels are just like, we don't know where the money is coming from. And that's the secret government. Yes, which is very true. But we'll get into that in a later

episode. We're going to be covering secret governments, which is very, very fun. Absolutely. We're definitely doing that episode because it's real and it's actually happening. Never mind the team of iguanas that are fucking making sure that

our traffic is keeping us slow on the way to work every guy. Let's let's get into the episode. I'm just saying. I wish that it was lizards. That's the sad thing. It's big fat white dudes. It doesn't matter. Reality isn't real. We're just a fucking

hologram. All right. Well, Henry's depressed. Everybody. Welcome to the show. That's Marcus Parks. God, it's so I'm so happy. It's such a great day. It's such a wonderful day for last podcast on the left. Finally, the wayward son has

returned to New York City. Thanks for coming back, Henry. The seat is somehow warm. Like I, the warmth never left it from my bottom. Yeah, you know, four months for a seat to cool after you sit on it. So you just got here in time. I feel very bad

for the family that I'm subletting from because my balls have been on over every surface of that place because I always forget that it's not my house. And so I walk out naked. I have these big bay windows in Los Angeles in Los

Angeles, right? Have these big bay windows that face out to like the front yard in this old man who lives next door. And so but the thing is that I walk around naked 24 seven and sometimes I'll just sit on the kitchen counter eating cereal.

I'm really like I put cereal in my lap naked and I'll sit in the kitchen counter and I'll look up and I see an old man just staring at me. He's fiddling in this pocket. I'm just looking for change. But he's got no money. You know that for a fact.

But no, yeah, I've been naked all over that house. I can't I can't. I don't know what they're going to find if there's a black light over there that detects poo smears. All right, let's move on to part two. Charles Manson,

another crack research job, Mr. Parks. Let's get into it. Thank you very much. So first of all, like we're going to kind of talk about, well, you're going to notice a lot of this again when we talk about from the first podcast, it's a

Manson is no Jeffrey Dahmer. No, he's not, you know, he's no John Wayne Gacy Manson is a career criminal that found himself in a series of circumstances outside of his control. We are not taking the boogly O. C. stream of thought

here that Charles Manson is a super evil mind manipulator. Right. We are saying maybe just maybe he loved the taste of bush hair. Yes, he did. And he loved the concept of living in the desert, but he couldn't handle it. But he also just kind

of drugs and stuff. Things get dark when people when people have been taking drugs together for a long period of time. Look at that burning man festival. Day three. Very sad. We're on day two right now. Well, I want to start with a quote from from

Charles Manson when he was talking about the kids that he was hanging out with because you got to remember Charles Manson at this time. He was 33 years old, right? And they're all like 16. He's been fucking nothing but 16 year olds for

about seven months now. The oldest change in his mind. Yeah, the oldest 23 24. Like these are all kids, and he said the deeper I became involved, these kids, the more I hated the world they came from, the more I hated the world that had

driven them from their homes, the more I had come from, the more I began to like myself. I started believing I had some of the right answers in my head, but believe me, none of the answers that filled my head included murder. Believe him

that that's so obnoxious and stupid 16 year olds are it made Charles Manson feel superior and smart for the first time in his life. He was like, these kids are driving me nuts. Oh yeah, absolutely. I do this same monologue when I go through

Tumblr comments. All right, so we're going to start this episode with something happy. We're going to start with the birth. We're going to start with the happy. Was the birth in a bus by any chance because then it's not a happy birth.

The birth was in a condemned house in Topanga Canyon. It was Charlie Manson's second child, a little boy named Valentine Michael nicknamed Pooh Bear. That's actually the exact name of somebody that was just born in Park Slope.

So that's not so bad. Park Slope, Brooklyn. That's Gwyneth Paltrow's seventh child. Yes. And it said that Charlie bit the umbilical cord himself. I'm sure that he did because he's a weird doctor. No, but he can't. He's just

like, because it sounds like a maniac thing, but it's him just going like, ah, with a knife. Ah, scissor. Oh, we lost all the scissors. And this is a party. We had that scissor party. That's all right. Now where's it? I'm just going to

use God scissors. My old teeth, Mary, I need you to just bear with me for a second. I'm going to be a father, Mary. That's not so bad though. A lot of people eat the umbilical cord. It's good. It's got some good vitamins in there. Yeah, it's

mostly dookie. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of juices and various things around that. It's shit to your mouth. It is a shit. Yeah, it's definitely a shit. So it's around this time that the Manson family, they finally find their home

in Spawn Ranch. And here's a little song that Charlie sang about there. I can feel my bush hair getting longer. This is Charlie Manson's music, by the way, play his other song, Satellite. This sounds just like Dave Matthews Band. I was

going to say the lyrics are reminiscent to a Gavin Rosdale's bush. And that they make no fucking sense. I'm going to go on record here and I'm going to say that there are a lot of Charlie Manson songs that I like. Marcus has been listening

to the album for the last two weeks. Yeah, lie the love and terror called I've listened to it no less than seven times every week. I don't know a week or so. He's got a good voice. He's got a real good voice. Some of the songs are pretty catchy.

It's not a whole lot different than what you're going to find in California 1968. No, I mean, if you're tripping nuts on acid, you've got this little wiry weird dude singing that song around a campfire talking about death and murder every

time he stops playing guitar. I mean, that's hell of a night. Yeah, I'm going to start thinking about that all the time and just be like, you know what, Charlie? He's pretty catchy tune. He's like the only musician as opposed to actually play the

music. I know I think about all the years I spent doing mushrooms heavily enough dog shit music I was into and I was playing tambourines around just being like, they don't mean like we're going to change the world tonight. You know, just imagine

that over nine months and then eventually start killing pregnant women. Sure. You can even argue that the Manson family were in reality just super fans. Yes, they loved Manson. Not only were they super fans, but they were also a part of his musical

history, which we'll get into here in just a little bit. But before we get to that, we have to talk about spawn ranch a little bit now spawn ranch was the main base of operations for the Manson family. Sandra Good, AKA Sandy Blue knew a mechanic

at spawn ranch and the mechanic put them in contact with 80 year old George spawn now spawn ranch. It was mostly used as a movie set for Old Westerns. They used it in episodes of George spawn ranch. They used it as a movie set for old

Zorro and exchange for simple labor, such as taking care of the horses, cleaning George's house, cooking and having squeaky fuck them every once in a while. Absolutely. And the way he presented like them even getting the spawn ranch is that

Manson showed up with two of the two of his front street girls, right? And he made sure you know, like leave the broth at home, girls and they walked over there and they like they basically showed up. I was like, Oh, man, he had

his hands like he had fun. Oh, fashion eyeball. I knew for a fact that he's like, but then later on when I watched him tripped over a rock, I knew then that he was in fact blind. He was like talking about how George spawn would come up and

like grip their shoulders and stuff and like play with the women's arms and he's like, I could tell you that he's going for a little squeezy sport right there. So I sent him to my fine young redhead and she gave him a tug of rub and

guess next thing I know, we got a sweet spot. Oh, spot I mean, this guy was 80 years old, 80 years old and he was still getting hard, huh? Yes, still getting hard. Before the GMO has been putting our goddamn food, ruining our goddamn

boners. Manson said that he never made squeaky fuck George. He said that the reason why squeaky fuck George was so she could have the comforts of living in the main ranch house instead of in the I guess they were called the outlaw cabins.

Honestly, and if you think about it, the main group is literally sleeping on top of each other, a bunch of rugs. They're covered in chiggers. Never did they talk about no when like when someone person got the clap. They don't know who gave

each other the clap and they all have the clap. I think squeaky made the right choice. Sometimes you just have to suck an 80 year old man's dick so you can get a bedroom, right? 80 year old farmer, though he's probably in good shape,

harvesting the land his whole life. I don't know. He's a movie farmer. Yeah, that's true. He's not a real farmer. It's spawn rain. I mean, spawn ranch does sound like the kind of place you have to like gurgled, come just to enter.

Well, they got horses and oh well, no one had sex with the horses, right? By the way, if you guys want to see the most adorable thing that you've ever seen in your life, look for a picture of Charles Manson on a horse. He's so adorable. He's

tiny. He's the tiniest man. He's five four. Like he was a tiny, tiny little man. He looks like a child at a birthday party. He must have been so scared on top of that horse. Just trying to keep it together. If I fall off this

horse, they're never going to trust me as their Lord and Savior. Yeah, come on, horse. This horse is it's covered in butter. You know who did it, man? It was the man coming down on me covered all my horses in slick olive oil. So I fall

right off of him. Oh my goodness. So us here through our research, what we found but I think that he probably told someone to butter the night before. Yeah, I'm going there butter the horse. Why Charlie? Why don't ask me why

the next morning at breakfast, what happened all the butter? I don't know. I'm going on the horse. I go right at horse over there. It better be good and grippy because I'm going to be riding it all over the canyon. That's where the butter

was. I got to write down my commands that I give after one o'clock in the morning. I got to ride him down. I'm going to give him the squeaky. I'm going to say squeaky. Hold on to this until six a.m. And then everything I agreed to the night

before six a.m. We're going to decide whether it's a good idea or not. Honestly, Manson in his own words has given me a great deal. I am now in Marcus's team. I have a great deal of sympathy for Charles Manson. I just think the man was a stupid criminal.

The man is basically Damon Wayne's character from Moe Money. It means like he said like character of just like he's just like Moe money. It's like he's an idiot. He's a slick criminal, but actually he's an idiot. And next thing

you know, he is this gaggle of drug crazed freaks all around him. Well with Manson, we can take it back to Gary Ridgway. Gary Ridgway as we discussed was adult. He was an idiot, you know, as far as you know, normal society went, but he was really

fucking good at one thing. He was really good at killing prostitutes. Charles Manson is really good at eating pussy. And I will also probably put in record that Charles Manson is the only serial killer that knew where the clitoris was. Yeah.

But Charles Manson, what he was good at was manipulating people because as we said in the last episode, he spent from the years of 12 to 19 in prison and then he spent from 21 to 26 in prison as well. So Charles Manson little guy, the only way

this guy is going to survive in these horrific environments is if he learns how to talk more than everybody else, he's got to play a big game. And so now we're going to watch a game escalate. Yeah, it gets even bigger when he meets Dennis

Wilson of the Beach Boys. No, I love the two different sides of this story. Yeah. Yeah, there's two, Dennis Wilson, he was the drummer of the Beach Boys, he was Brian Wilson's brother, of course, Brian Wilson, the genius behind petsounds, smile, all that

type of stuff. Wilson was the father of the Beach Boys, the member of the Beach Boys family. Far the least talented member of the I mean, he was the fuck up. He was the party guy. He was the guy that liked to fuck all the time. Brian

Wilson is insane, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure the Beach Boys management were like, we already got one Wilson that's hard to deal with, but he's a genius. We can't deal with his other one. So they would just basically let Dennis Wilson

disappear for months while they were there. He's driving down the highway one day, and he sees a couple of mildly attractive women walking down the road. Manson attractive. Manson attractive women. Yes, and one of the women has she drifted

away from the family soon afterwards, but one of the others was Big Patty, Patricia Crenwick. Oh, this is perfect for Dennis Wilson. Yeah, they call him a quarter pounder at the ranch. So there are two different versions of the

story. One is that Dennis Wilson met these two girls. They bring them back to his house. They started fucking. They're like, you got to meet God. You got to meet Jesus. You got to meet our friend Charlie. He's just like, Yeah, I bring Charlie

over and then yeah, whatever you do. And so they bring Charles Manson and the whole gaggle over to Dennis Wilson while Dennis Wilson is recording. Yeah, he leaves the house and he comes back at 3 a.m. And so he comes, but this is

Dennis Wilson side of the story. Manson and his whole corduaries show up at the mansion and take over the whole fucking thing and basically uses money, hang out. They all fuck and they have drug. They do drugs and enjoy the stuff,

but basically they are a massive leech. But then if you listen to Manson in his own words, Manson's like, it's cool cat named Dennis Wilson at a freak out party. We did it. They always say the term we did a joint. Yeah, we did a joint at

each other. And then next, you know, we were rapping about music and we were on the same trip, man. Me and him just like we knew it was just like, Yeah, he was a beach boy with me, man. I'm coming up. I'm a wizard from the desert. He's just like,

Oh, Charlie, you're a real wizard of the desert. I was like, you know what Dennis Wilson? You've always been right. You've always been my friend and then is like Dennis Wilson invited me to his home and I went over there and yes, we spend all

his money and yes, we ate all his food and yes, we gave the dogs of the house body chiggers from from Sadie. All right, but he never asked us to leave until he asked us to leave. You got to go for sure. When Dennis asked you to go,

you got to go. But Dennis was still he was a little bit enamored with him. Him and Charlie actually became fairly good friends because it could I mean, again, you just get your blow and drugs. There's so much. There's so much drugs.

There's so much sex happening. You get it kind of like rolled into it. And then all of a sudden you realize I got 20 homeless people living in my mansion. Right, right, right. Well, the Manson family, if you've ever been involved in

music in any way like been a part of a scene, you've ever really been into any particular kind of music where there's always people coming in and out. There's always this one weird group of people usually crossed punks that sidle into

the scene. They come in and out. They've always got girls. They've always got drugs and there's always one weird guy at the front of it all. And usually they just kind of come in. You fuck a couple of the girls. They go out. They give

you some acid. It's fine. And that one weird guy, a little unpredictable. You just kind of put up with him. That's what Charles Manson was to everyone in the music scene. He was just this weird little guy with all of the chicks and all of the

drugs just showing up and having a good time every once in a while. He'll he'll pull out a knife. Sure. Wave it around around. It's a part of the music scene. It's a part of the music scene. And the mystique is right that he's and

everyone knows that he's a criminal and everyone knows that he's been in prison most of his life, but he's sort of comical. Yeah, but he's sort of. Yeah, he's like because he's five foot four. Exactly looking at this guy. It's like

what this guy going to do because he's going like, Yeah, I wrote a spider here today. It's just like, What are you? You're a little put? Yeah. And then he I do love. I think it's a really accurate code that Wilson even said like just kind

of like, I mean, he's like he drifted into crime. But when I met him, I found he had great musical ideas. We're writing together now. He's dumb in some ways, but I accept his approach and have learned from him because it's true again. Just

like everyone literally was just like looking him like. This guy's fucking moron. You're an idiot. He kind of got something to him. Those criminals are really stupid. You know, that's the whole thing about it. But I mean, if

you're Dennis Wilson, you don't know what normal is. Brian Wilson's your brother, right? That's totally true. He has never been around anybody normal in his entire life. It's a horrible fucking human being eventually eventually

their father sold every Beach Boy song for about $700,000 Jesus. Yeah. And that's I mean, fuck man. You think that is insane? That's nothing. I love that the Beach Boys too, because it just sounds like they're about to solve a mystery about

who stole the ice cream. That was the best part. And then they were all just schizophrenics losers and egomaniacs. Yeah. All right. So through him, he meets Terry Melcher. Terry Melcher, who is the son of Doris Day. He was the producer.

He was a huge producer. He was behind some of the birds. Great is tits like Mr Tambourine man. Turn turn turn. This guy was big in the 60s music business. Turn turn turn is an obnoxiously stupid name for a song. Things used to be simple. Yes. Yes,

they were going to call this Mr Tambourine man because he's got tambourine. He's a guy. And the other one like what do you think? It makes sense. It makes sense. Can we please record it? I'm getting blown right now. I'm about to shoot. Let's go. Let's

go. So Melcher, he did show an interest in Manson. It's not. He showed an interest in Manson's asset. No, no, no, he did not know that he did not like his music. No, you can say whatever you want about Charlie Manson's music, but there was

very real interest in Charlie Manson as a recording artist because he was a very, very smart person. You can see this tiny weird man with this group of guys. It's a whole approach. He actually was a very, very smart and the idea of PR of a

public publicity. Yeah, women and women and drugs. It's all manipulation. This is just a further part of his manipulation. Yeah, he just wasn't good at it. Once he once he could get in the door, but once he got in the door, he didn't have the

chops. Yeah, he didn't have the chops. He didn't have the chops. He didn't have the chops. He didn't have the chops. The process of Charles Manson recording a demo at Brian Wilson's house. That's that is a day a day that would

go down in history. It's like that thing where you're like ever. It's like, uh, took the wrong way. I took the right chose the wrong day to quit stiff and glue. Well, the divine Wilson and Charles Manson. He was in bed. Yeah,

he was like laying in his bed. He was just in for he was in bed for like three months, because I think that would have ended the world, right? Like that's when the world implodes only became best friends, right? Like if they

would have saved a bunch of people and then all of a sudden Charles Manson and him were just laying in bed together doing that weird John Lennon Yoko thing. God I would love to hear Charles Manson on Vandy. You got to smile. Yeah,

he's like a hip hop hype man. He would be right. Uh, so in the recordings, I only did. They've never been officially released, but in a movie that both me and Henry watch where we got a lot of this information from it's called

Seize to exist. You can hear the producer talking to Charlie and you can hear Charlie refusing to be produced. If you know anything about music and he's like, I don't know what to do because it was like the girls wanted to look at

Charlie when they were singing their songs and he's just like no girls. It doesn't work like that. I put the microphones where they are for a fucking reason. They kept moving the microphones around and dancing around and he's like, man, I

don't like this microphone in front of my face. Sounds it looks like it's a thing in front of my face, but I put my mouth on it if you want me to but I probably ain't gonna Charlie, which we're desperately trying to record

an album here. Charlie, this is not about you being raped in prison multiple times when you're a child. I was raped. I know Charlie get over and get out of the fetal position please, Charlie. Can you put the microphone down here? The

thing about Manson's music is that Manson's music was so deeply and amazingly personal. Like his music was the Corvin it really like absolutely everything. I mean, I just feel like you like it too much Marcus. No, I'm not saying

I'm saying that's how Manson felt about it when you read Manson his own words. You realize that this this whole thing about Manson's music was the cause of music music was so important to him, which is to some degree, which to me

which to me speaks the whole tragedy of it is the fact that like it meant so much to him and he was still pretty mediocre at it. And so it's like he poured his heart and soul into this thing that was a thing that would never be

successful. Well, he's like everybody, especially nowadays that he likes the idea of being a musician, but he had everything that a musician has drugs, women, drugs, women like the lifestyle. He like the appearance of it. And then when

it comes out until the actual I actually don't even know if it's skill. I just know how he didn't know how to record. He didn't know how to do it. He didn't know how to record. And I think it's boring recording in a studio is boring. He's

the worst. I'm in the middle of recording an album right now. And it's fucking it is the most boring, repetitive, tedious thing that you could do as a musician, but you have to do it and you have to be produced. You have to listen to what your

producer is telling you. He took Manson Charles Manson every single suggestion, anything he would take it extremely personal. It's not that he couldn't follow it. But it's not that he couldn't follow directions. It's that he

absolutely wouldn't. He said about the sessions. He said they didn't want they didn't want us to perform as I felt we should. And then Terry Meltzer then said that they group and the members of the family made premises promises

that they couldn't keep. That they could play music. All right. So now that through Dennis Wilson, we meet the guy that is probably the crux of most of the horrible events we know about Charles Terry Meltzer. And as far as pissing

off Manson and making him bitter, even more bitter, the Beach Boys stole one of his songs, which one wasn't. These two exist, which became a song called Never Learn Not To Love. They completely changed it. They kept the melody and they

kept some of the lyrics, but they changed certain things here and there, but never learned, never learned not to love. Never learned not to love. I don't know what that means. It's a Beach Boys song. It's a mediocre Beach Boys song. The Beach Boys had a lot of

mediocre songs. They had like one good album. We listened to that title after you smoke a fucking hogs like that. Then you'll back. Then you'll never learn not to love. You'll never learn not to love. You'll get it going. I want you to see

that. So all of theseál exist is better exist exist. Yes, he's to exist. Cease into death. Cease to exist. Imagine. Charlie saw this. He saw this rejection of his music. He saw this as a rejection of himself. This is another example

of the world looking at Charlie Manson and saying we don't want to use. Also has that prison mentality where it's been nothing but him on him this whole time, so he is worked up this Congress, one sided and he's got a bunch of women

and a bunch of people telling him that your music will change the world. This is the best thing ever. He's just got... He goes out of control. Oh, God, it's so out of control. And so having someone come and say, no, someone who, especially someone who knows

what he's doing, who's a real record producer, who can then use that power on top of him, Charles Manson, again, has that sort of baby Hitler thing inside of him, that inferiority complex. And this is what starts the Dark Road. Yeah, this is definitely where it begins. And it also...

And the person who really takes him down the Dark Road also shows up this time, a man named Charles Tex Watson. Now, Tex Watson made... Charles wants... Tex Watson made Charles Manson look like fucking Robert Oppenheimer. Made him look like a genius.

Oppenheimer? Tex Watson, yeah. Tex Watson is a fucking... What a... It's bad luck that he got involved. I think he self-nicknamed himself Tex too. No, George Spahn named him Tex. Nah, give it to him.

Whatever. But he's a... No, he has no talent whatsoever, this Tex Watson. Tex Watson's just some dude from a small town in Texas. Right. He was from Copeville, Texas, everyone. And he was the person that Charles Boogliosi, the DA that prosecuted Manson,

he was the guy that Boogliosi put up as, look at what Charles Manson did to these... To this innocent boy. Innocent small town, like he was a football player for fuck's sake. Oh, yeah, they don't do anything wrong. There's no way that a football player could ever possibly hurt a woman. And now we know they're the most dangerous members of society.

Well, some of them are. Yep, he was a church-going kid. And a lot of these... You see this again and again in the Manson family, a lot of these people had religious upbringings. Well, of course, you have to have had it in order to even understand groupthink. It's like all fucking standardized religions do

is teach you groupthink and how to follow along and how to follow rules and believe in a fucking magic set of circumstances that are gonna punish you. It's because you've been jerking off in the boys' room every once in a while. Whoa, what happened? I'm just saying, just to ease the tension.

To ease the... You had a jackoff in the boys' room? Yeah. Oh my, I don't know what religion that is. Catholicism. Ah, that's right. Yeah, well, the priest watches it. Make sure you do it right.

Yeah. So... You didn't make the cream big enough, child. All right, I'll try it again. If you can. So after he graduated from high school, he visited California, picked up, moved out west, signed up for jobs for classes at Cal State

and got a job as a wig salesman in Beverly Hills. Wow. Dropped out of school and moved to Malibu, decided to open up a wig shop of his own with his roommate, a store called Love Locks. That only lasted a few months. What do you mean, though? The big...

Why not, though? It's, yeah, it's fucking the wig market. It's booming right now. It's Malibu, yeah. Yeah, the 1967 wig market. When people were in need of long hair. There was a bubble. There was a bubble.

And the bubble popped. And that's a shame that Tex Watson was a part of that, one of the casualties to the bubble, the wig bubble. It's sad, yeah. In 64, everyone went down to Los Angeles and Malibu was short hair. They said, this isn't cool. And overnight, you got to change.

You got to go to the wig store. Oh, wow. So to pay rent, Watson starts dealing pot full time and starts getting involved with the criminal element. Charles picked up Dennis Wilson hitchhiking one day because Dennis Wilson just liked to hitchhike. He was just a crazy person. As Charlie Manson said, like I said before,

he was a bit of a rebel. So Wilson invited him back to the mansion and that is where he met Charles Manson. And as Watson says, and Watson and all the people who were, it's really interesting to me, we need to look at the interviews with the Manson people. The Manson people who got caught immediately just flipped on him and just said, you know what, no,

he just did all this stuff to us. He brainwashed us, but everyone who didn't get caught was like, yeah, we're still on this trip, man. We're fucking on this trip forever. We ain't never getting off of the fucking Manson train. But the people who are facing death row said, oh no, we were good Christian kids. Absolutely, of course.

Listening to Patricia Crenwickle, like when she gave this interview afterwards, she was like, I will never, ever forgive Charles Manson for what he did to me. And it's just like, he fucking, he finger banged you until you could learn how to smile. Exactly. You were loving your life.

Yeah, before it was all frowns and moons and now it's all sunshine and smiles. Let's just go ahead and say it right now. Everyone involved in this scenario is an idiot. Is an idiot. All these people are idiots. They're all dumb. They're all extremely impressionable.

They're all just looking for something. They're all just looking for someone to follow and they're dumb enough to follow an ex-con named Charlie. And Tex Watson was basically kind of a loser dude who couldn't ever figure out how to do it. And they were saying here, like, you know, he struggled to accumulate all I could. The right car, the right clothes, the right things.

It would somehow complete what I thought was missing inside me. Now I gave all, everything I had to Charlie. Suddenly, I felt very free. And then Charlie was just like, what am I going to do with all these wigs? All you got is wigs, Tex. This Charlie, listen, we take all the wigs. We sew them all up into a wig monster.

No, you can stay. Make the wig monster happen. Technically, that's an idea, Tex. I don't know where we're going to utilize it yet, but I don't know, we also just got a trampoline. So if you could go tighten the springs with a trampoline, that would also be great. Every cult needs a wig monster.

So Tex got brought back to the, got brought back to Spawn Ranch. So is Dennis Wilson, they're just to clarify, Dennis Wilson is the one who introduced Tex Watson to everybody? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, Dennis Wilson, he's got a pretty big hand, inadvertently, like he, it is checked the fuck out as soon as everything went down.

Yeah, as soon as everything went down, he checked out, but he really, without Dennis Wilson's influence, none of this would have happened. Absolutely. It's really interesting how it's these tiny little connections that made this whole, first it was the van. The van, yeah. It was the reverence van, and then it was Dennis Wilson's involvement.

These little things all sort of like, strong, it's cause there's a lot of sort of like fate involved in all this. Yes, there is. And like all this stuff kind of was a fragile thing that led to the murders. It's very interesting, you watch it and it's kind of, we talk about this before about how like watching the fall of the Manson family is like watching the fall of the 60s itself.

Yeah. And it's very interesting, it's very interesting. And it happens fast, but we'll get to that here in a bit. This is funny, Tex Watson, Charlie helped him out with his sexual inadequacies. How do you do that? Sometimes he would fondle in baby Tex, and then he'd send him to have sex with a woman

that Manson had pre-selected for. So Manson would fondle his nuts a little bit? Yeah, he'd give him a little tug-of-tug. Give him a back rub and say like, come on man, you're good, just go out there and fucking get that. Yeah, let me, you know how many times, I don't know how many times where it's like maybe I'm not in the mood. And sometimes I think about, you know,

you know what I really wish? I wish I had a scraggly five foot four bearded man who was just ripped on whatever. He has an inch bathed in maybe months. No, he smells like sex. I really want him to be tugging on me. Right, because that fucking gets me going like a lawnmower. So we know Tex grew up in a religious background.

He moved to Malibu to open a wig store, and then he got stroked off a bunch by Charles Manson. So he's gay then. Is that right? No, no, no, he's the opposite. He's very, very, very straight. He's very straight. Straight enough to get wigs,

and straight enough to get hard for a dude. It's a time of free love people. These people are outside of your judgments, Ben. No, I'm not judging. I'm just saying maybe Tex could have just really benefited from a loving relationship. During this time, Charles Manson was doing like, during the involvement of Dennis Wilson,

they put him in touch with a lot of Hollywood people. And so Charles Manson was always talking about, he's like, you wouldn't believe the kind of raps and funny trips I was tripping on, man. When I walked into these parties, it's like all sorts of, I won't even begin to name names, but the biggest celebrities you know all love to do blow, get turned on, and ball each other out the backyard.

And I saw men on men, I saw men on men. Right. And so he was talking about how he was approached by a very famous Hollywood actor. Yes. And he was like, I was on set because he was, apparently they had asked him to advise on a new movie about Jesus Christ.

Allegedly. Allegedly. Right. He was advising the script, and he was like, you know, it's like, now it's up to all these screenwriters, and I kind of knew, it was like, maybe I could be a screenwriter. And it was like, I'd love to see the movie called,

you know, like, Banana Takes a Walk. And so he goes, Oh, then the banana gets peeled, you see. Yeah. It's good, it's good, it's short. But he saw this famous actor in him, we're kind of talking about stuff,

and he's like, so when the actor comes up to him, it's like, I heard you have connections to get certain things. And he's just like, let me guess, you want it in the mouth of the ass. And they go into his dressing room, he fucks his actor, right? They go back out, and he's just like,

you know, and I hate to do it, but I love, you know, I'll show anybody a little attention. It's like, he's always about giving love, I always give love. Oh yeah. And so finally the actor invites him over to his house, and he's just like, I show up,

and I show up at his old fancy mansion, and his old lady's sitting there in a satin robe hanging over, and I can see her bush hanging out. And I was like, ooh, this is about to get a little monopoly in here. And he turns over. He turns over, and so he was just like,

I was thought I was going to be balling the two of them together, but the next thing you know, he motions me over to his wife. So I start eating around, you know, I start giving to the push and push stick of his guy. I got all like, because he always used to say,

I pushed it deep in her. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Pushed deep in her. And his sexual exploits can go on for a while. The age is upon, babe. Babe. Very graphic. But then literally so he's like,

so I pull down my pants, and I start to fuck. And it's like, it's kind of hot, and then you put Charles Manson in it. It's like, it's that hot, and then it's Charles Manson and the singer. Yeah. And so he's fucking in the dude's wife,

and he's like, so I sit there, and he starts to just kind of, you know, he starts to give himself a little tug of rub. And I'm sitting there, and I'm fucking his wife, fucking his wife. Next thing I know, he hears pants sliding down in his ankles.

And I was just like, I've been raped before. And he was like, I will not be raped again. But he's subtle up and down. Like walking like a dog, on his hands if he walked around. So sucking on his wife's toes.

Wild. And then next thing I know, when I was done, he folded up five $100 bills and put them in my front pocket, and told me he'd see me every Friday. And that man was Robert Wagner. Robert Wagner, little lone fact about the Wags.

It's just so funny, where it's just like, I just cannot, I cannot believe that someone would pay him to have sex with, you know what I mean? $500, and this is what, the 60s, right? Yeah, that's like,

big time money. It's like three grand. Wow. Yeah. Wow, just, but he's a prostitute. He's just a sexually assaulted prostitute in a lot of ways.

I mean, the way he tells it, and I mean, really, if you look at it, the kind of hold that he had over the people in the family, he talks about himself as if he is the, no one in 1968 in California

fucked better than Charles Manson. Yes. That's how he tells it. He did seem a little bit freaked out by the toe thing, which is pretty JV considering what Charles has done. Absolutely.

No, he's just like, he always talks about, like, finger banging girls until they're skyrocketing orgasms. Yeah. And they're like, having sex for days at a time. And then also,

he's like, he was kindly also playing the thing where all the girls always loved being on top of each other and listened to his every one of his commands. And I'm just like, I don't know. I still feel like there is a level

of agreeable brainwashing where you kind of give up yourself to it. Yeah. And I don't think necessarily, like, there's a lot of rape happening. You know what I mean? There's a lot of rape happening. Possibly.

But they have to all go along with it because you're afraid of this man. You're kind of afraid of Charles Manson. You don't think so? No, I really don't. I don't think there was any rape involved. I think that Charlie Manson was a consensual type of guy.

I'm going to send a letter to Patricia to fucking the big patty in it. Yeah, big patty. Oh, you know what big patty is going to say. You don't even have to send the letter. All right. So now it's, they're adding the final members of the family.

Yeah, this is when the family finally starts coming together. Next up, they add Leslie Van Houten, who is one of the four people involved in the murders. She was born in California, all to Dana. She had a lot of adopted younger siblings.

They were all orphans from the Korean War. She was a good student. Her mother said, her grades were never good enough for me. Oh, God. Yeah. I wonder why she ran to the arms of Charles Manson who was just like,

what school? Yeah. What school all about? And she played the sousaphone as well. Oh, wow. And the drums. Yeah, they said that she looked hilarious to getting that big burp, burp, burp.

Big tuba walking down the field. So she had one of those tiger moms. Yeah. And then the tiger mom drove her to Charles Manson. Yeah. She was a happy kid. Her parents divorced when she was 14. She was good looking too.

She was good looking. Leslie Van Houten was, you know, arguably the best looking member, although I'm more of a squeaky guy myself. Squeaky's gorgeous. Squeaky's actually very gorgeous. Yeah, squeaky's gorgeous. I just heard jerking off the 80-year-old blind man.

That's what the kid kind of heard. I don't mind it. You forget about it, you know? I like it. I don't mind it. I think it's sweet. I mean, it's kind of sweet. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. Yeah, that Susan do it, though. He's blind. Send big Patty in there. Yeah. I don't know, man. I think you're right, Henry. Squeaky just jumped on the right situation.

Squeaky, you know, hey, she wasn't involved in the murder. She got a bathroom. Yeah, she did. I mean, yeah, she did try to kill Gerald Ford about six years later. But that was a thing. That was a whole different thing. That was a whole different thing.

Maybe she thought she was just shooting at Chevy Chase. That was her Lady Gaga meat dress. Yeah. So, you know, the funny thing about her is that this was not the first cult that she joined the Manson family. Her first cult was called the Self Realization Fellowship. She was dating this. Oh, boring.

Yeah. Well, that is actually, it's a real place, too. It still exists. It's real, yes. It's a meditation resort. It sounds awful. Yeah. I mean, it was enough of a cult where they had nuns and monks.

Because she was dating this dude named Bobby, who had introduced her to marijuana and acid. She was dating this dude named Bobby. And he brings her in. And she said, if you want to be a monk, then I'll be a nun. She lasted eight months. Yeah. And she stopped doing every single elicited activity. These cults have a lot of, like, high turnover rates.

Big turnover. Huge turnover rates. The Manson family had a gigantic turnover rate. That's why Scientology found out. And that's why Scientology locks him in for life. Oh, yeah. I mean, the Manson family at its largest was about 30 members. Jesus.

Yeah, I mean, it's bigger than I think most people think. Because you think about the Manson family, you think about, like, eight, nine people. But at one point, yeah, it was up to 30 people listening to this asshole talk. But she was in the SLF for about eight months. She went to business school to become a secretary for him. But she got bored, left, went to hate Ashbury in the late 60s. And she said, by the time she got there in, like, 1968, she said it was, quote, just all gutter. Yeah, it must have been really nasty.

It had been terrible. Yeah, it was. By 1968, I mean, the hate Ashbury. The hippie movement lasted for six years. Yeah, if even that. I mean, you could even bring it a little bit closer to maybe four or five. Like, the true hippie movement was very, very short. And this is another thing to keep in mind is that the murders happened August 8, 1969.

Leslie Van Halten joined the Manson family in 1968. All Manson had gotten out of prison in 1967. All of this that we've talked about has happened in, like, a year and a half. Yes, everything that happened with the Manson family happened within the span of a year and a half to two years. And, of course, again, keep in mind, this corresponds perfectly with the end of the wig movement. You know, 1966, wigs were flying off the shelves. Once it became fine to be bald, once bald and sexy,

that's been the downfall of this whole fucking country. That's right. So the next guy to come in who knew Leslie Van Halten, this guy named Bobby Bousier. Bousier? A.K.A. Cupid, A.K.A. Jasper, A.K.A. Cherub. Hey, I'm Jasper. Y'all want some quiche? Because I made some quiche.

I couldn't find eggs, so it's dirt. It's dirty. I call it quiche, though. Hi, y'all. Hey. Casper, Cupid, or Cherub. Yeah, so he's just a fat, weird, kissy kind of guy. Yeah, he was a chubby short dude.

Yeah, it's me. I'm the one. That's who I would have been in the Manson family. That's cool. Bobby would be the man holding the knife in the very first Manson murder before the Tate murderers, before the Lobby Egg murders. And he's a guy that was actually really plugged into the 60s counterculture. He was in a band with Arthur Lee called Grass Roots.

Grass Roots would eventually become love. I fucking missed that train, didn't you, fucking Bobby? And he also was friends with Frank Zappa. He was a backup singer on Zappa's first album. And he also, he was supposed... Holy shit. I didn't know that he was in Lucifer Rising. I was actually talking to Ragnar about this,

because as soon as I found out that he was in Lucifer Rising, I was like, holy shit, Ragnar needs to know about this right now. But he did some further research and found out that he was supposed to play Lucifer. And he got cut from a Kenneth Anger movie. Yeah, he was supposed to be in Lucifer Rising, but didn't make the cut. Yeah, so maybe he just didn't, probably didn't show up. Yeah, fat and weird. They used the grip, they used the guy who was supposed to do sound that day,

and they're like, we don't need sound, we'll just make it up till we go. You know, it's a Kenneth Anger movie. Yeah, exactly. So Leslie and Bobby, they were wandering around California. They ran into the Manson family bus. Bobby already knew them. Leslie, she fit right in. She said, it was like I had known them forever.

It was like walking into a group of old friends. Again, acid helps with all of this. They were real dumb, we were real dumb, and we just fit right in together. So it's the fall of 1968, and this is when shit starts to go south. And it happens in like a month. But fall, it's such great weather. Yeah, especially in Los Angeles, it's beautiful this time of year. And so think back to the time of, you know, Dennis Wilson and Terry Melcher.

Manson's been trying to get into recording forever. He's been rejected again and again. His bitterness is rising. His anger is rising. Meanwhile, they're trying to build a new, like a big thing during this time too, is that they're trying to find a new spot, because they're getting kicked out of Spawn Ranch over and over again. I wonder why.

Because Squeaky's not doing the goddamn good work anymore. But literally, you just got like a group that's swelling to like 40 almost, and it's just now it's turning into bikers, and it's turning all these like people, and they're just doing drugs, and they're fucking the place up, and everybody's covered in dirt, and a whole, but yeah, body checkers everywhere. And they found, they're like, okay, so they went out and they basically found a, they just found a completely isolated desert spot. A couple of ranch houses in Death Valley.

Yes. That somebody knew, it was somebody knew it through somebody. I mean, there was everyone knew somebody that got them somewhere in the Manson family. Because the Manson family was also starting getting torn apart by inner tensions now. Now it's becoming this point where they're literally, they've kind of just been waiting for Manson to make it in the music business. Like so Manson's gonna make it, Charlie's gonna make it, and we're all gonna go with him. And then when Charlie wasn't getting the fucking over the lip,

they were like, okay, well where do we go now? What do we do? And they're like, they would have these open dinners where they would like all be able to like speak their mind. And they'll all be like, I want to go to England, I want to go back to Mendocino, I want to do this, I want to do this. And like Charlie's like trying to figure out what to do. So he finds a new desert location that is just fucking inhabitable. No, it actually was alright.

It was fine. It had running water, it had hot springs around there. But this promise there was nothing there. There was nothing around it. And they were in Death Valley for fuck's sake. And he has no idea how to live in the desert. And so he became his new project was to get everybody, because Charles Manson was obsessed with living in the desert.

He thought that it was the only place he could find peace. And so he was like, we'll all go out to this place and that was gonna be our new project. But everyone's like, we don't want to live in the desert. We want to live in Los Angeles. And he's like, oh, there's a race war happening. And then it turned into this, you're gonna see him trying to give this group a new identity while converting VWs into doonbuggies for some reason. Very fun.

Very fun to do. If there was a reality show, if it was nowadays, they would be reality. So in November 1968, we have an album come out. Yeah, 1968 is when the wide album comes out, blowing minds all over the world. This is when Helter Skelter comes about. Now, it's really true. Charlie was talking about the Beatles in prison when he was talking to the creepy Krampus. Yeah, he started Alvin Krampus.

Yeah, Krampus. Or not Krampus, Karpus, yeah. And so he was referencing the Beatles. But when he was seeing Manson in his own words, when he talks about it, it's really interesting because he's just like, I didn't know anything. I didn't know goddamn one thing about the Beatles. I was in jail. I respected them.

I liked them because they were successful and I liked the music a little bit. But I was in jail from 1960, 1967. I missed the Beatles. Totally missed them. And the Beatles, you can't listen to the Beatles if you're in jail. You're gonna get raped immediately. So he was like, yeah, I love it when he was just like, my favorite music was the old guys who really could sing like Paul Enka. Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Harry Coma.

Yeah, he said that the people that were really into the white album and deciphering the lyrics, that was Susan Atkins and this other guy, little Paul. And Susan Atkins, of course, was one of the murderers. And so now we're gonna learn that Charles Manson, the ever-changing con man, knows that you're gonna have to follow the group vibe. The whole vibe is now moving towards like they're all listening to the white album, dropping acid. Start having these like long, weird conversations. And he's got to jump into it head first and be with, hang with them. And we're gonna see these philosophies come out of that time period. And there's other people in the family starting to get really fucking dark.

Tex Watson, he had a bit of a bad trip that really turned this guy on his head. He walked into the kitchen one day and this guy named Indian Joe had gone out to the desert. Which is weird to say because he was Italian. Yeah, yeah. Well, Italians used to play Indians in movies all the time. Yeah, still do. So he had gone out to the desert to get a plant to make a sort of like psychedelic tea with that. This thing called Belladonna. Yes, Belladonna root.

And Belladonna root. We all know what we're thinking about when we say Belladonna. We all gaping, yes. Yeah, you gotta put the root in your butt. You're just like, stop licking the microphone covers. I'm not licking the microphone. Oh, I thought it was a breast. That is the microphone. I apologize.

So Belladonna root, the hallucinations are supposed to be terrible. Like they're supposed to be terrifying. It's like Angel Trumpets, where it's photorealistic and same hallucinations. Basically, you're not supposed to cook it inside. Indian Joe starts boiling the strut in order to make the tea, and it's creating poison gas inside. Tex is a fucking moron. He walks in, yeah, he pulls it out of the thing and eats it.

He's like, oh, what's this? And he eats it, goes off on a trip for days. He eats it like a baked potato. Like you're only supposed to sip this tea. He brings this fucking Belladonna root out and he eats it like they said, like a fucking potato like just starts chomping into it. So he ruined it for everybody. He ruined it for everyone and also lost his fucking mind.

And it was never the same. Yeah, he went out to vet. They found him in Van Nuys on his hands and knees, crawling through a crowd of children saying, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. That's terrible. It's a funny thing. But when you're trying to-

It's a funny thing because if you're scared that you're like, oh, look at those human trains. He's a car, he's fun. Yeah, that is fun. But then he was never the same after that. So yeah, so we're going to see, he's going to basically influence the other half of the group. Well, Charlie was out balling whatever new girl that he could find

to bring into just to make the group bigger. Yeah. Was Dennis Wilson still around? Or he- No, by now Dennis Wilson had left. Yeah, by now he had left. But Manson, he thought that the Beatles, but the Helter Skelter theory is really Vincent Boogliosi's theory.

So this is a lot of this stuff that we're going to be talking about. This is what Boogliosi says, but it's also kind of the stuff that, you know, Susan Ackins got on and the stuff that Manson just went ahead and followed. And now again, this is where the two stories diverged. We're going to talk about the, his side, the Boogliosi side, which is the idea that Manson is a master manipulator and did it. And then I'm going to read the actual speech that Manson supposedly gave

from his book, Manson's Own Words. Yeah. So according to Manson's followers, he thought the Beatles were prophets that were tuned in. And he said that everything that in the, in the double LP had meaning, even the cover of the wide album, that was the Beatles way of showing their allegiance to the white race. And according to Charlie's interpretations of the album,

a war between the blacks and the whites were imminent. A war would start when blacks would commit a series of brutal murders in posh white communities. And according to Charlie, the Beatles wanted him to release his own album, which would trigger the pending revolution and map out an escape route into the desert for the chosen few and the family will move to California's Death Valley

and hide underground until the race war was over. And then because, because quote unquote black people would not be able to govern themselves, the Manson family would rise from it. Due to inexperience, they would rise from the hole in the desert and they would teach them how to revolve around their own government. Yeah. This is what Boogliosi said.

Yeah. And that Charles Manson used this theory to make the kids murder. Now, so this is, so basically how Manson kind of puts it down in his own words as everyone was just basically ready to split. Everyone was like, was ready to leave the group. Yeah, they were in the middle of nowhere. Tex Watson still dumping on, dumping in his own pants. You know, his album isn't coming out.

They want to move to new spots. So he gave this speech about how like, he's basically started talking about how like, because they were all like bitching about the desert. And he started screaming, the desert's got everything. The hell, the whole desert ain't nothing but an ups and down river. Water's running under every instrument. How do you think those springs stay full?

You just have to know where it's at. I came across places out there where the sun don't beat down on you all day and it never gets cold in the winter and water's everywhere. It's underground. I haven't, I haven't explored it yet, but I sat on the edge of the hole and I watched the water flowing underneath. Man, the possibilities of that place are endless. Now hell, we can find that hole again and build our own city in there.

Why do you think we've been breaking our asses and put together all this equipment with doom bunkies and generators? Supplies, all the gas we've been stashing out there to make going into that desert a paradise. Barker's and the Myers place ain't nothing compared to what we'll have going for us. When our records hit the market, we'll build our own town. In the meantime, if we put our act together, we can make the desert just as comfortable as we want it to be.

Think about it. No rent to pay, no laws to obey, no cops on our asses. Hey, we'll be one step ahead of anything that goes on in this world. Look around you. The worms turning on the white man. Him and his pigs have put the dollar in front of everything. Even his own kids. Blackie's tired of being the doormat for the rich man's path.

So while the white man's locked into his dollars, Blackie's ball ball and the blonde blue, blue-eyed daughters and making mixed babies. It's all leading to bad shit. Real madness is going to explode soon. Everything is going to be healt or skelter. But that won't affect us because we'll be in a beautiful land and only we know how to survive it.

To be ready, we need equipment supplied with the tons. If we have to do a little stealing, how's it going to get what we need? Let's do it. Yeah, you're right. It's a great speech. It's very motivational. And it is.

He was very paranoid about the race war. The black and white thing, that was something that he was paranoid. He became more paranoid about later. But in the beginning, Well, this probably goes back to his prison life as well. I think it had some to do with it. And he does, you know,

in full disclosure, in his own words, throws out the end bomb a couple of times. Quite a bit. And the whole thing, basically what he's saying is he gave an ignorant speech about what the desert was and what they could do for it. And they took all this. Yeah.

And then they took all of it and they used it. And I'm certain that there's, I just can't help, but I just don't think Manson's smart enough. He's not. To have actually manipulated him. I think it literally just kind of came out of his mouth. And they're all like,

Yeah. Yeah. Because he was just trying to buy time. He's not forward thinking enough. No. For any sort of, Because he was talking about the whole time, his whole philosophy.

Today. Now is the moment. To forget about tomorrow. Now. Now. Now. And so all he wants to do is keep having sex with three girls at a time.

That's all he cares about. Yeah. You know, he's just a, he's an idiot and a maniac, but he doesn't care about the violence. He just wants to get his dick sucked. Yeah.

And Boogliosi, he said that Manson had told them a local Hopi Indian legend in which there were three underground cities in California, one of which was in Death Valley. And the legend described a race of lizard people. Exactly. A thousand years ago, built three underground cities, and Charlie supposedly told the family about an underground city of gold

with a lake of life. Which he probably did. He probably did. Man, there's a city out there and gold with a bunch of lizard people, and there's an underground city full of gold with a lake of life. Especially later on when you're trying to have to rebuild the story, and once you've blurted out the helter-skelter thing and how there's water underground,

now you're taking acid, now everybody's hanging out. He's desperate to keep the group together. He should have told them how to spell it. Yes. He should definitely have mentioned how to spell helter-skelter. That would have helped. Yep, yep, yep.

Yeah, and Charlie, you said the whole thing about the desert is that I love being out there. And so did some of the kids. The hassles we were getting from the police. My rap about possible troubles with the races. And the picture of a better place to live put the kids into a game for anything frame of mind. So the kids are still 17, 18 years old now.

What's up? They've only aged a year. Two years? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say the average age... How long have they been in the desert for now? I don't know, three months? Three months, oh yeah.

Because they kept bouncing back and forth from the desert to Los Angeles. Yeah, from the desert. And they also had another house in Los Angeles that they called the Yellow Submarine. They were in three locations at this point. They were going between the Yellow Submarine, Spawn Ranch, and the Barker Ranch out in Death Valley.

Because technically, he was also still like, there is another attempt of him recording an album in this time period, and he sucked at it. And he just couldn't do it. Yeah, he just couldn't do it, yeah. So as far as the songs go in the white album, there were a few, so I mean, you gotta remember, okay, Helter Skelter, yeah, you listen to it,

it's a real, like, it's a fucking scary song. It's awesome. I mean, it's a precursor to punk. It's great. It's a fucking amazing song. But this is also a song on the white album. Yeah. This is another song on the white album.

Yay. It takes me back to college, man. Yeah. Yeah. See, I did a lot of drugs to this album. And I'm fine. Yeah. Yeah.

And it wasn't just, I mean, Obla de Obla Da is a very, you know, like, that's a very simple, easy song. From Life Goes On. Yeah, sure. Yeah. And there's other songs on. And so now he started building all of the songs

in the white album into his philosophy. He starts building them all together. And there are other, there are other albums on there, like this, this song is, I mean, this is truly one of my favorite songs ever. Happiness is a warm gun. Which, this is a pretty dark song. And he said that Happiness is a warm gun

was warning the blacks to arm against the lights in the coming race war. But Happiness is a warm gun is a fantastic song. I think that's a good point, because if I know anything about black culture, they loved the Beatles. And they were all going out to get the newest Beatle LP as soon as it came out.

Yeah. And the one that they supposedly listened to the most was a song called Blackbird. And so Blackbird, they said, Now this song, man, you can see, man, every time I get fucking pumped up. I fucking, when I listen to Blackbird, Fuck man, like, I wanna fucking take the system down.

So let's fucking listen to it. Yeah, I wanna get fucking pumped up, dude. Let's take off my shirt. Yeah, let's leave your shirt on. Yeah, let's fucking take a listen to Blackbird. Blackbird singing in the dead of night. Fuck yeah. Let's kill some fucking news.

Yeah. Woo. Yeah, man. If you play it really loud, it sounds aggressive. I'm gonna stab a pregnant woman in the belly tonight. Cut out the child, yeah. Yeah, that's Blackbird. And Charlie believed that Blackbird was the Beatles

telling black people that it was their turn to rise up into power. Cool, yeah. And that they were being programmed to start the revolution. Definitely. It's possible. Absolutely, it is. It definitely is.

Yeah, and another fucking song, a song called Fucking Piggy's, it was saying that there was a line that they need to damn good whack. Yeah, get the pigs. What they need to damn good whack. And it's the next track on the album. Here's Fucking Piggy's.

This is, this is, is this NWA? I'm not as pumped up by this song. I like this one because it makes me think of warm pigs in a blanket. I love pigs in a blanket. I close my eyes and I see myself like opening my mouth and tiny little pigs walking into my mouth. Yeah.

And of course, you know, and Sexy Sadie. We know, yeah, Sexy Sadie. Well, they saw that as a sign that they weren't talking to them because he had named Susan Ack and Sadie earlier that year. So he thought, okay, this is something like, this is how they're in tune with my fucking mind.

Yeah, synchronicities. Like, and Honey Pie, like, was another thing. Honey Pie was my favorite. They said that Honey Pie meant the line, Honey Pie, you're making me crazy, I'm in love, but I'm lazy, so won't you please come home. That meant that the Beatles were too lazy to go look for Jesus and wanted Charlie

to come find them. Oh, that makes sense. I wish that Charlie had went and showed up at the Abbey Road. I wish he had showed up. Yeah. We've been like, hey, guys, you've been calling for me, huh? Hey, so you guys got to be like free food or something?

Hey, Paul, you got to be maybe shoes or something the way I lost my shoes. Yeah, they would have let him right in. They would have loved him. Oh, yeah, Charlie, come on in, absolutely. Oh, yeah, those are the Beatles. Oh, yeah. That's a good one.

Yeah, that's a good accent. Yeah, that's a Liverpool. Liverpool. Liverpoolian. Liverpoolian, yeah. They call them. Oh, Charlie, I hope you want a suck my dick. Probably would, yeah.

Oh, Charlie. It seems like all you got to do to get Charlie Manson to suck your dick is to ask nicely. Ask it. He definitely seemed surprised by the money. Yeah. I just got to wear it. Absolutely, because he's just like,

I don't know who'd pay for this. I'm not necessarily a professional. So in early 1969, the family's getting bigger and they need, and they're also moving out to the desert. The only problem with living out in the desert is that you're a long way from supplies, so you have to buy supplies in a larger quantity. And so he becomes obsessed with making dune buggies

and they steal credit cards. Going to Costco. He's obsessed with these dune buggies. Yeah, dune buggies. It is, his biggest obsession is dune buggies. Dune buggies are very fun to play with. They steal VW bugs and they convert them into dune buggies because it's all a part of his desert plans.

If we're going to live in the desert, we're going to need some way to get around. And also, dune buggies are awesome. Dune buggies. So at this time, he's waiting for this money that's supposed to show up for his album. It doesn't show up. They have no money.

They're running out of time. Basically, he's trying to figure out what to do. So in his mind, Manson's like, I'm going to have to go back to my old tricks. I'm going to have to break my vow. I need to get back into crime. And so he starts hanging out with biker groups, biker groups including the easy riders,

and Satan slaves. The funny thing about Satan slaves is when the Manson family was first caught, the press named them Satan slaves because the biker gang was involved. They're like, hey now, hey, hey, hey. Technically, Satan slaves is copyrighted. You can talk to our lawyer.

This is Irv Schleichman. He is our lawyer. Yes, technically, Satan slaves is copyrighted. So he thinks that we will sue for defamation of character. My buddy here, Chains, has got to rape a woman at one. So we can get over this meeting real quick. That'd be great. So Terry Melcher, he comes back out one last time to take a listen.

He films them. He films them. Yeah. And then his result was, he said that it was mediocre. Yeah. I'm sure that it was. Yes, mediocre. So in June of 1969, Tex Watson,

he fucks over a black 300-pound drug dealer named Bernard Lotsa Papa Crow. Which was a mistake. He literally went and just showed. Yeah, Lotsa Papa Crow. The way it goes down is that Tex goes, steals weed, it's weed and money from this guy. It's a good idea.

It's like two grand. Yeah, and so he leaves. Charlie gets a call just being like, is this Tex? I have this chick. No, he said, is Charlie there? Yeah, because his name is Charlie. Like the girl, Tex Watson was living with a woman in LA and she told him, and he's like, and Crow shows up

and says, where's my fucking money? Where's my fucking drugs? And she says, okay, let me call Charlie. Charlie will fix it. Yeah, Charlie will fix it. Yeah. But remember, Tex Watson's first name is also Charlie. So she calls out to the ranch and she says,

Charlie, you gotta come help me. Except it's Charles Manson on the phone. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What the fuck is going on here? The guy, Crow, the drug dealer, gets on the phone and says, you get here, you get me my money right now or I'm going to fucking kill this bitch. And so Charles says, okay.

He goes. All right. One thing we know about lots of Papa Crow, he ain't messing around. He goes and then Charlie literally goes to all the bikers hanging around and being like, so like any y'all want to like come with me, baby, help me.

And they're all like, actually, I got to shine my bike a little bit. It's amazing how busy people can get when lots of Papa Crow wants to murder you. So he brings along a member of the family, just kind of a weak little kid, and they bring a gun along. And the DA says that

Tex is under Charlie's direction to steal money from this drug dealer to start the race war. But really Manson's explanation sounds a lot more plausible. Pretty plausible. He basically just showed up. The whole scenario heightened. He showed him the gun.

He was just like, you know, he basically tried to trade his life according to Manson. He tried to trade his life for the girl's life. He was like, I was trying to buy time, trying to buy time. Let me go and get some money. I'll get you some money. I get a tomorrow.

I get a tomorrow, blah, blah, blah. Lots of Papa's like, no fucking way. Where's my, I want my money now. He kept saying, he's like, I'll give you four hours. He's like, no, fuck you. I'm gonna give you two hours. And then finally Charles Manson turns the gun on him. Lots of Papa's like,

what are you gonna do about it? Are you gonna fucking kill me? He pulls a trigger, click. Lots of Papa grabs the gun, starts choking Charlie out, pushing him against the wall. Meanwhile, Charlie's still got the, he's still got the gun in his hands, sticking in his belly, going click, click, click.

And then finally, I guess there was two bullets in him, bam, shoots in the stomach, and they fucking get the hell out of there. Except he grabs one of the, he says he grabs one of his buddy's shirts. One of the enforcer's shirts. He's like, I liked his Doe skin skirt and shirt, and he was so scared of me that I asked him for it.

That's great. Charles is the man. And he said that he felt no remorse whatsoever for it. No, he was gonna get killed. Yeah, he said it was self-defense. But what happened was later that night, and Charlie believed that he had killed the guy. He didn't know, cause lots of Papa, he didn't die.

He just bled for a while, got himself fixed up by some sort of criminal doctor, and never reported it to the police, but later on that night. And HMO. Yeah. Jesus, you know. Think about this.

I know what that's all about. Sorry, I'm talking about healthcare. Don't get us started on here in last podcast on the left, talking about universal healthcare. We're gonna talk some truth to power next week. So later that night, Charlie's watching TV with one of his buddies, and he sees a news report that says that a high-ranking member of the Black Panthers had been murdered.

He's so retarded. His body dumped on the hospital's front lawn. So yeah, he just immediately thinks like, Oh my God, I killed a Black person. Which is just like, that's such a high thought. That's such like a stone. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I know I shot a Black guy tonight.

And that Black, he had to have been in the Panthers. Oh, this is me. This is me. It's me. I did. So his paranoia kicks into high fucking gear, because he now believes that the Black Panthers are gonna come down on the Manson family.

So he starts now, like during this time period, he starts talking about this race war more and more and more. Yeah, he said the kids at the ranch caught the worst of my paranoia. So this shit about the race war is just seeping in all these fights. And specifically seeping in to Tex Watson's brain. Because Tex Watson, he is essentially responsible for the start of this whole thing.

And Tex is a moron. And he's, and Charlie's just fucking putting it into his head like, this is your fault, Tex. This whole thing is your fault. You started this. You're bringing the Black Panthers down this. And you need to fucking fix it. And so, and then also they're looking for money

from Terry Milcher at this point. Things are really tough. And I like this breakdown that he has of Charlie, where Terry Milcher, which is such a producer like line, where he goes and asks for the money that he owes him for the recording. And he's like, Charlie, there's mixed emotions about promoting you.

You're unpredictable. You amazed me at times. And other times, just point the hell out of me. Jacobson told me this morning you were involved with shooting some Negro. So frankly, for the time being, we are skeptical about investing any time or money in you. Right.

Yeah. That's about as nice as you can possibly say. You're a lunatic. Please leave now. You killed somebody. Get the fuck out of my office, please. And he had gone to the Beach Boys accountant. And he had fucked with them too.

His mouth got the better. He said, you know what, man? You owe me the money. And it's a long overdue bill. Just pay up or I'm going to do something to make you regret it. Like, one of these nights, you might go home and see nothing but charred embers where your house was. Oh, yeah.

Charles Manson is now, he's upping his game. He's off the rails. He's off the rails. And the problem here, too, is that every single time he expands his, like, image of somebody and tells somebody he's going to hurt them, they're going to, now they're expecting results. Yeah.

Now, like, they're expecting him to fulfill the other end and fulfill his threats. Yeah. Exactly. And so this is finally after Terry Meltzer says, no, this isn't going to happen. That, combined with the paranoia of the Black Panther, like, Charlie, he's done with the world.

Yes. The world is over. And he's just going on rants all the time about the world is not for them. They will never accept them. Kind of like Jim Jones, same thing, where it's just like, once the heat starts coming down, he starts putting it into, so he can spread the blame

to everybody. Yeah. So he can spread the blame around. And so, of course, they're still dealing drugs at this time. And one of their biggest connections was a man named Gary Hinman. And Gary Hinman is described as being pretty much the consummate, nice guy drug dealer.

Yes. He was like an Owly, the guy that invented LSD. Yeah. He was just a scientist that was a friend of hippies that had made a bunch of drugs and would kind of give him out. He was a true hippie. Yeah. He was like Stephen Wright's character in Half Bait.

Yes. Just kind of hanged out on the couch and everyone loved him because he always had drugs. And he let the Manson family stay over at his house all the time. He was a very welcoming guy. But he made mescaline and he had made a big batch for some bikers in which the Manson family was the connect. Unfortunately, the batch was bad, made a lot of bikers and

their customers deathly ill. So, of course, the bikers wanted their money back. Hinman's like, no way. There's no returns. This isn't Kmart. No, exactly. You didn't buy a lawn mower that didn't work. But Hinman even said to them, just being like, hey, if you can

give me the drugs, I'll check them out and I can fix them up. And they're like, well, no, the bikers tossed the drugs. And he's like, I'm not giving you any fucking money. Yeah, it's too grand. It's too grand. It's too grand. It's a lot of fucking money. I mean, it's like 10 grand.

Sure. It's a lot. And so Charlie's on the phone with Hinman. And he's fighting. I mean, he's just fucking screaming and yelling. And Susan Atkins is sitting right next to him. And Charlie slams the phone down and he just kind of mutters, like, oh, I'd have killed him, motherfucker.

And then in Charles Manson's words, he turns to Sadie and jokingly says. Yeah, go kill him for me, Sadie. Which is the thing that Boogalios uses against him forever as a direct command. He says he did it as a joke. I think it was somewhere between the two. Yeah.

I think it was somewhere between, like, go kill him, Sadie. Like, and I thought, oh, man, if she does, I ain't going to mind all that much. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, that's kind of what, not a direct quote. But if you want to, go ahead. So basically they go to go intimidate. It's Bobby Bousillier and Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner

go to go intimidate Hinman. They would look for money. He's not giving them anything. So Trio, they call Charlie. Yeah. I love this whole thing. Yeah. Manson knowing Hinman was like a freak

behind some kind of Japanese Buddhism. He grabbed a sword given to him by a biker to intimidate his ass with the display of Oriental swordsmanship. Direct quote. Direct quote. Yeah. Yeah, just Oriental swordsmanship.

He went over to Hinman's place. But in reality, the quote unquote sword was just a two foot blade taped to a piece of wood. Yeah. He was flipping it around. And he called it his magic blade. But it was something that a biker made when he was fucked up.

It sounds exactly, I bet you he looked exactly like that Star Wars kid. The first kid to go viral. Groomed himself all fat, flipping around. Cha-cha. What? Yeah. You cannot see the blade because it is moving too fast.

Yeah. So in an attempt to try to intimidate him and to give them their money, Charlie cut off Hinman's ear. Which is just also a pussy thing too. Cool. Because he kind of just like did it. And he kind of like cut it.

And Bruner, I mean, to her credit, she did sew his ear back on with dental floss. Oh, great. That's not bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has a nice minty flavor and smell to it. So Charlie leaves, and he leaves Bobby, Mary, and Susan alone with Hinman.

And the next morning, the trio, they drive up in Hinman's VW bus. And he's like, where's Hinman? Yeah, he's like, where's Hinman? Like, why do you have his bus? And Bobby just said, well, like he started screaming and we didn't want the cops to come in, so we killed him.

Meanwhile, what sort of spots, then they wrote political piggy on the wall in his blood to start, as a thing to Charlie being like, listen, no, but now what we've done here is that we're going to start the race war. We're going to do it. Yeah. We're doing what you wanted to see, Charlie.

Yeah. He wrote political piggy on the wall and then put a bloody paw plant. Paw plant. Yeah, and then Charlie went like... To make it look like the Black Panthers did it. Yeah, then Charlie went like, go blue. Yeah, he did.

He said his first thought, his first thought after they told him was, that's two now. Yeah. And before they were done, eight more people would be dead. It's really interesting. We'll talk about that. Yeah, and next week we're going to go into

the really violent murders and then we're going to see Charlie, at his best, live from prison. Sort of like Johnny Cash, live from Folsom Prison, but then Johnny got to leave. Yes. Charles never did.

Yes, I do, I love this story. Charles Manson is such an, it's very interesting when you watch it because it's not like any other story that we've ever covered here. He really is the story of a lifelong criminal. Yeah, yeah. That he set up all the pieces

and then it played itself out all in just the worst ways possible. It's just a man, a bad general with a real dumb arm. And then you want to say that like, I remember it like, because I know this group thing too, where there was a period of time when Eddie and I were living together,

we had a bunch of cross-punks living with us. And they would come and they would pull the mirrors off the walls and they were doing like an Adderall all night. And Eddie told me the story. Well, one night we had a very sweet roommate. He was just kind of like a sweet and deering punk with his friend.

He was like crazy. They were up all night doing Adderall and Eddie was up. And so they're in there in the other room and they're like, ride or die, man. Ride or die. Tonight, man.

We're going to get a gun. We're going to go fucking kill somebody, man. Cool. And they're like, yeah, yeah, let's go fucking kill somebody. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, we're going to go up and we're going to shoot

a fucking cop, man. And it's like, yeah, dude, yeah, yeah. It's like the first thing we're going to do is we get a gun. We're going to go in the other room. We're going to kill your fucking roommates. And then we're going to go down the street. We're going to shoot a cop in the head. And then our buddy was just like, hey, man,

let's not kill my roommates. They're like, they're like, cool. They're good. And then he was just like, you know what? It's true. Your roommate's all like cool and funny. We won't kill your roommates. And Eddie was just like in the other room.

Like listeners going like, don't kill the roommate. Oh, man. And that's, you know, I mentioned earlier, you could, I think the nearest analog that you could come to the Manson family today is gunner punks, crust punks. Like that's what these people were. They were fucking crust punks. Right.

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I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to go to bed. Cheer up Charlie. You want to go out on a song? Yeah, let's go out on a song like this. Let's go out on something that, uh, let's get some of the sensitive side of Charlie. There's a song called people say I'm no good.

People say I'm no good. My panties are sopping. It's great. But they never, never do they say why their world is so mixed up. I've got that way. I'm having one.