Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 149: Charles Manson Part 3: The Devil's Work

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

We wrap up our series on Charles Manson with the infamous Tate and LaBianca murders, the trial that followed, and the the life of Charles Manson since.

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That's great. Charles Manson episode three. Let's get into it, Marcus. Our 150th episode, by the way, and not only that, but it is today. Today is Charles Mansons 80th birthday.

The Happy Birthday song is copyright. So why can't I sing the Happy Birthday song? I can't go like happy birthday. I can't do that right because I'll be so we should sing a different sort of a Fordham of birthday song to Charles Manson. And I think it's going to go a little bit like this. Hey, happy birthday, Mr. Manson. How you doing? I'm in here. Happy birthday, Mr. Manson. That's it. I love that song. And then Charlie even got a little cameo

in there. What was that? I'm stuck in here. I'm stuck in there. I'm just on a tarantula trip, man. I'm living a spider's life. Don't worry about me, buddy. I'm sitting in my web enjoying my I'm enjoying my cage. He's like a little parakeet. 80 years old, though. Can you believe it? 80. That's a difficult he's past the life expectancy by four years, the average life expectancy. There's rumors that he's in the hospital right now. I live in the dream and the cake delivered to him. Yeah, he's Yeah, he's supposed to be sick right now. And so I'm going to send good vibes out to Charles Manson. I hope he's feeling better. I hope he gets this podcast sent to him. Oh, he will that we're we're technically fighting

for you, Charlie. Technically, you know, today's podcast is we've been kind of the theme that we've hit over the last couple of Manson episodes is that the idea of the Manson crimes is a lot more complicated than Boogliosi wants you to think it is. We've been reading Manson his own words. That's Manson side of the story, even though that's also pretty. What's the term for that fucked up unreliable unreliable narrator. Yes. Yes. And even after the book was put out, Charles Manson came out like I didn't say I didn't ever say that I was right. I didn't say that I was right. I didn't say that I had a terrible childhood and the interview is like, what is why did you have a terrible childhood? He's like, child don't

know what terrible is. He he don't he don't know what terrible is. She's like, but were you raped? He's like, I would say it was terrible. There's a bone. It was there. There's a documentary that came out like in 19, I guess 1997 that was called in the mind of Manson and basically he sort of admits he's like, yeah, I'm a king evil. If I get out of here, I'm going to kill everybody around me. You know, it's not like I'm in here and it takes two people to help me go to the bathroom. That's not what it's like. There is a difference between Manson's account of the events that happened and Boogalio says accounts of what happened and today we're going to try and find the middle ground. We're going to try to sneak around the truth, which

is a little speech that Manson gave that we're going to play for you right now. Look at the madness that goes on. You can't prove anything. You can't prove anything. There's nothing to prove. Every man judges himself. He knows what he is. You know what you are as I know what I am. We all know what we are. Nobody can stand in judgment. They can play like they're standing in judgment. They can play like they stand in judgment and take you off and control the masses with your human body and they can lock you up in penitentiaries and cages and put you on crosses as they did in the past. But it doesn't amount to anything. What they're doing is they're only persecuting a reflection of themselves. They're persecuting

what they can't stand to look at themselves. The truth. Everything is sneaky up around. Sneaky there. Everything we have to do is to get to the truth has to be sneaky. It seems a shame to sneak to get to the truth to make the truth such an evil dirty old nasty thing. That's it. That's it, man. I just feel like you could play that music in the background of any speech, and it would sound that intense. You can hear a hippo farting with that music in the background and you'd be like, That's the most profound thing I've ever heard. Yes, so we're going to be trying to balance the official storyline of the Manson murders with Manson's version of the story because there is a there is a true story in between

the two. Yes, there is. Yes. The the something about this, you know, the the helter skelter thing doesn't add up. It's just a little too farfetched. It's a little too smart for Charlie. Charlie is not a big thing to give him a lot of credit. So much credit. In fact, googly Osea said that like one time Manson stared at me and my watch stopped. And come on. Yeah, come on. Yeah, yeah. And Manson, you can barely write a folk song. Yeah. Right. Yeah, men said the only way I can stop a watch is if I step on it. Good. And Manson himself, he admits he's like, I'm he's like, I'm a two bit thief. I mean, he's like, I'm a thief that couldn't steal without being caught. I mean, so theoretically, boogly Osea is saying that Manson has the

power of what is the telekinesis telekinesis and he used it to stop his watch. Yes, of all the things that you could do with this super Professor Rex, you know, ability. He just I'm going to stop my mind. I would go to the Publix and I'd find the girl behind the counter and I would lift her up above the counter and her launch her pussy first. I'm out. So where we left Charlie Manson last, he had just left Gary Hinman's house. Gary Hinman was the nice guy, mescaline dealer that got mixed up with the Manson family ended up murdered. Is that on his tombstone? Nice guy, mescaline dealer because I would love to meet him. So after the Hinman murder, Charlie left the ranch. He said, fuck it. I'm out

of here. I'm going to go wander around because all he talks about is like you got to be there. You got to be there for the group. You guys really put they'd look to me. I'm the I'm the fulcrum of the circle. I make sure people get what they want and get the right to they want. But I think I see a hint of bush hair behind that tree over there. There was a murder. I got to go. I got to go as Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Yeah. So did Manson go outside in the desert? So Manson, he decides he's going to try to recapture some of the spirit of a couple of years before when he was just wandering around, wandering around California. And he really does. I mean, he still got it. He picks up 17 year old Stephanie

Shram from San Diego. And they just spent the next few days doing acid and fucking under the stars. He went out looking, you were saying for loose women in particular. Loose women. Yeah. I want to know what was his signs? Like he was like not loose, not loose, not loose, not loose. 69. It's if a girl is leaning against a telephone booth. That's loose. Every woman that he describes basically every woman that he met that became a part of the Manson family all were like, I just saw they're like leaning on a lamppost and I went over and smiled at her and said, Hey, you want to see a rainbow trapped inside your sunglasses? Yeah, Charlie, that sounds like a hip trip. And so he the way he got Stephanie Shram is that he walked

right up to her and he's just like, So yeah, we're the old man. He's like, Yeah, I'm here my old man. It's kind of a rube. It's like, Why don't you drop out of that? Come with me on my trip. You did be driving around, you know, smell my armpit. If you want, I do did. Why wouldn't you? Why was every relationship from 19 like 1960 to 1971? Could you just you could just take somebody from somebody? Yeah, right. It was totally accepted. I mean, it depends. That's why you had to be real cool. If you had a girl otherwise a Manson type guy is going to come creeping up on you. You always got to be a hip to the new beats as they would say how land you have to be for her to look over and see this guy like skulking

around a bush. You have to be her father. That's it. Well, the guy who wrote Manson in his own words, this guy, Newell Emmons called Manson in his own words. If it wasn't written by Manson, because he it says Manson in his own words as told. Okay, Newell Emmons. Sure. So Newell in the the afterward to the book, he talks about one of the interviews that he did with Manson, and he brought a female reporter along with him. And he said the difference between Manson when he was by himself with Manson and when this woman was in the room. He said he was night and day key. His language sweetened up a lot his body language completely changed. And he said that he what he watched Charlie charm this woman. I mean, just a regular

reporter, you know, and a smart woman. He said that he watched her relax. She started to laugh at his jokes. You know what I realized when I was watching in the Manson's mind, the mind of Manson that documentary, I was like, he's trying to joke with you, lady. Most of Charles Manson stuff is him just trying to be funny. Yeah, you listen to other gurus talk like when you and I was going through a watch this documentary called the source and you listen all these gurus talk about all this ludicrous stuff about flying in the air and like, you know, about how like, you know, it's a hip trip to sex trip, baby. And they're all like literally going like, they're laughing. It's joking around. Yeah, Alan was

the same thing. I mean, he's his jokes are atrocious. And he's not necessarily a cult later, but he talks in that same like when they talk about this really heady stuff, they're making jokes the entire time and Manson was no different. So basically, it's like Manson. It's like me if I'm in a room without pizza. And then me when I'm in a room with pizza because you can't not be smiling when you're holding the piece of pizza because you know you're about to take a bite of it, which is kind of exciting. That's very true. But but how that ended how that encounter ended is that he said that Manson walked around her and he put his hands on her shoulder and then he suddenly switched

and he grabbed a cord off of the table and he put it up to Charlie. No, Charlie. No, Charlie. Charlie. He put it to her throat and he said, what do you think, Newell? Should I kill the bitch? And then he started laughing and put it down. He's like, I'm just messing with you. I mean, that's just like, these are people are jokers. That's what the amazing, the amazing Jonathan, the great magician comedian. That's one of his bits. It's classic, classic comedy. So Charlie and Stephanie after driving around and fucking through Southern California for a little while, they came back to spawn ranch on the morning of August 8th, 1969. And people

were on edge. And before August 8th was over, five more people were going to be dead. Is it the morning if you never fall asleep? Yes, it's technically the morning. It showed up literally doing the thing. I was expecting to see all my normal like smiling happy faces to see me. But then everyone was all sad and frowning around. And I was like, Oh, that's right. We killed a guy last night. Oh, yeah. Again, he needs a reminder. He needs an eye calendar. Right. Just sort of remember what you did. Just put a little note being like, remember that we killed that guy before you go on a bush hunt? Yeah, usually you dig through your pockets after a hard night of drinking.

You invite a taxi receipt and you're like, Oh, five, you know, 50 bucks from midtown. No, what a waste. He finds an ear. Yeah, this is where we're going to start seeing. We're going to start seeing Manson's point of view completely differentiating from the official story, which is now so he shows up basically being like, Hey, guys, this is my new chick, Stephanie. She's really rad. We did acid and bald all night last night. And they're all like, we finally figured out how to get Bobby. Basically, he shows up and they're like, Bobby's out of jail by Bobby's in jail. Yeah, Bobby, Bobby was the guy that killed Gary Hinman. He he was found sleeping in Gary

Hinman's Fiat because they found him dead. And then they were like, he has to wear his cars, his driveway was empty. They found it like literally a couple of miles away because they're morons again. We're looking, we're dealing with a group of total idiots. And the murder weapon was in the tire well. And I want to say this a bit off subject. My opa was the head of the union of Fiat. It's true. He was the head of the union. Did they also make, did they make train cars? No, it wasn't a train. As a matter of fact, he purposely made it so you couldn't fit a series of people. It was a small, relatively small car. He was just following orders. I know he was giving certain orders to say he says, stop it. Like

my grandfather was a good man who said, stop it a lot. Leave him alone. So anyway, so basically the man's inside his stories that he showed up, they're saying Bobby's in jail. And we think we figured out how to get Bobby out of jail. Yeah. So this I mean, really what I think of is a frog, Stephanie, in this situation, when you boil it in water, it doesn't know it's dying, but they just threw her right in. Yeah, she was just like, Jesus Christ, what the fuck? I mean, this one must have been terrified. Yes, she got that. Well, Manson kept her out of it. She hadn't, she really had no, she had no idea what was going on because she comes and he immediately shuttles her off into one of the outlaw cabins because

they called them Charlie, which one of these buildings are we going to live in? And he's like, I hate to tell her how like, I'm going to fuck her tonight and pass her to like nine of the dudes. But at that moment in time, I really loved her. I'm going to fuck you in all these shacks. He literally said, I'm going to fuck you in every one of these shacks. And then we'll pick our favorite. She's like, Ah, Charlie, that's romantic. Can I have some more acid? That would be a Henry. If you ever get into the real estate game, that's great. Fuck in every house that I show you, whichever one you like the best you get to have. Yeah, exactly. She was put off on another thing. But the whole time he was like, she loved

our app. She loved what we were laying down. As soon as she saw what was up, cause nothing more than a really beautiful 17 year old loves and to see a bunch of just like absolutely filth color, color covered mongrels living all over each other in a shack city. So according to the Manson, you know, the girls have been talking amongst themselves as to how to best help Bobby. And so what they came up with, this is the best idea they could come up with. Right. So excited. So excited about it. Of course, they've been on the Helter Skelter trip for a little while now. They'd been on well, the race war trip, race war, AKA Charlie's plan to get out to the desert. They were going to dig a hole in the desert and they were

going to stay there until the race war was over, then come out and help black people lead the world. But the problem was is that, but so that's the official line and the unofficial line to remember was at Manson said that he offhandedly talked about Helter Skelter just to dig himself out of a hole. Yeah. Right. Within the group. I mean, that the biggest flaw in the entire plan is the idea that they're going to come out of the hole as disgusting like in white people, like, like creatures from the descent. Yeah. And then black people are going to be like, Oh, you're all right, white person. No, it wasn't that they expected to come out as far as that, you know, according to Boogliosi, their plan was to come out and

black people go, Oh, thank God, we have no idea what we've been doing. We have no idea people. We thought we killed all of them. We regretted it. Oh, man. Yeah, that was that that was the official slogan. Right. So but what they're what their plan to get Gary out of prison was or not Gary to get Bobby out of prison was is that they were going to commit a whole other series of murders that were similar to the henman murders, writing things on the wall and blood like they had written political piggy on the wall and blood at Gary henman's house. That was the best they could come out. So literally Manson felt like so say Sandra came up to him and said like, Charlie's exactly what you wanted. It's healthy

like you said, and he's like, Oh, bitch. I wanted cash. And he tried to leave it when they started telling him all this shit. He tried to he's like, fuck that. I'm out. I'm out. He's like, I've been to jail too many times. You girls are going to get me right back in a jail. I don't like to I don't like jail. I don't want to go back to jail. So I'm getting out of here. But squeaky. She turned once again, turned his words around on him where he was caught in a trap. He said, No, you can't go love is one. We are one. And that's what he said. He looked around the circle and he was just like, and at that moment in time, I was like, man, I need to get the fuck out of here. But then I looked

around and I remember each one of them. First time we balls. First time we fought. First time I licked droplets of acid on one of that belly buttons. Right. First time I spent an hour pulling body chickens out of one of their body. I remember each time with them and he literally was just like, I can't leave them now. I got it. I got to see this through. Yeah. Got to ride this fucking train. It's like the goonies man, you know, normal profiling and people who've done drugs where it's like you can see if you've done drugs together in a group of people for a long period of time, you do begin to develop sort of a group thing. Yeah. And and you do in the group can move ahead of you. Well little very under

reported del close. The founder of improv was actually part of the troop. And this is where it all began. They were just yes, Andy themselves into oblivion. So it's noon on August 8th. We're 12 hours away from the Sharon tape murders and they haven't even decided who they're going to kill. Who's going to carry out the murders. They haven't decided anything yet. There's a rabbit running around with a fucking piping hot cup of tea be like, there's so many decisions so little time. I mean, I can't believe they're able to handle the stress walking around just being like, where's the coffee maker? Not now Stephanie. And so Charlie, he said, I'll stay. But what you do is on your heads, not in my not online. It's all

on your head. Yeah, Charlie, you're going to go off scot free. Yeah, don't even worry about it. Yeah. And they said, you know, and they all said we understand Charlie. There were hugs that were smiles or kisses. So Charlie also in the way he diffused this whole scenario. He said he basically said that Mary Mary and Sandy are going to take a couple of those stolen credit cards out and they're going to buy everybody a bunch of gifts. Yeah. What do you want? What do you text? What do you want? He's like, I want a bow and arrow. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Whatever you need. Just get a bunch of teddy bears and some candy candy. We'll have a good night. All right. Break it up. Yeah. So Charlie, he goes out and search

a text and he finds text Watson in the middle of an acid trip sitting on an old couch slapping his legs in time to music that only text heard. Yep. Yeah. Love that song. And you know, we talked last week about the Bella Donna and Charlie had talked to the person who was actually making the tea and it only taken a small dose. And she said that weeks later, she was still feeling it. She said that she was having blackouts that she was still and Tex had picked up the baked potato and fucking eating it like or he had picked up the Bella Donna and eating it like a baked potato. And now he's a rock star in his own mind. Maybe he did it right. It's about confidence. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So by the time Charlie found him, Tex was he

had already heard about the murder idea and he thought it was great. So Charlie told him, he says, Tex, you remember that black talking and talking about Crow? He's like, you remember that black and what I told you when I came home after killing him? That life I took for you was your life. Bobby is my brother. He is your brother. And to save our brother. I'm asking you for the life you owe me. And then Tex was just like, that's a lot of math. First of all, I don't know why this lamp is talking to me. Second of all, I'm down to do whatever you need, Mr. Lamp. Lamp does start talking to you. Follow whatever it says. And then Tex, he just said back and said, I can handle it, Charlie. What do you got planned? Because

that I don't have any plans. It's the girls thing. Just so you know that it's the girl, the great. So again, Manson hits us several times in his autobiography. I'm not planning it. Girls are planning. They are planning it. They will do a thing. I don't know what it is. But I do know that they can't do it by themselves. Whatever they decide, they're going to need you, Tex. You're my go to guy. Texas literally like hanging from his feet from a chandelier. I'm at the gym. Hey, Charlie, look, I'm at the gym. So that night, it's you know, about eight, 10 o'clock, still no plans, you know, still like there. Right now it describes this meal to when he's like, we all had a nice meal that Brenda cooked.

And he's like, you know, Brenda can just do some lip smack and stuff with some dumpster vegetables. I can't even believe the amount of rocks that she can fit in that rock soup. We had a glorious time just balling, smoking, living in each other's dreams. So there was there. It was one finger prick away from me like, don't feed grandpa. I mean, it was like so disgusting the way they described that dumpster meal. So call came in the middle of dinner. And turns out that going around and going on a shopping spree with stolen credit cards ain't a good idea. Because then Charlie literally said he forgot that this credit cards were stolen. Yeah, he thought he got approved. He got approved by the bank.

He just he like legitimately there are several times when he talks about this stuff and it's like he just legitimately forgets that they just killed somebody. It's like he's always just trying to make it okay because he is he's constantly validating his existence and saying like, no, this is good. This is this is a family we've built. This is the family of always wanted that I've built. No, I'm a criminal mastermind. All of this is going to go to plan because it's good now because I'm on the right path. And that's exactly what he told the Chase Bank officer when he went and requested the Chase Bank car. There's approved. That's first of all, sir, I'm glad that you came over here where we want to help

you were really happy to have brand new Chase customers at any given point but if you could please put on some shoes and if you could stop trying to finger bang the receptionist that'd be really great. Pre approved. So these girls get arrested and for some reason, according to Charlie, for some reason after all the rejection after everything that has happened to him for some reason, this is the last straw for society. Society has taken away his women. What the fuck is happening here? One by one, this fucked up society is stripping my loves from me. I'll show them. They made animals out of us. Let's unleash those animals. I'll give them so much fucking fear that people will be afraid to come out of their houses.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's really cool. I mean, it's you know, it's his I will have my revenge. Yeah, I will have my revenge. So he goes out looking for Sadie in Texas, 10 o'clock, two hours away from the murders, still no plan at all. He ran into his new girl Stephanie on the way who has no idea what's going on. He said that he walked her to her trailer and quote gave her a couple of kisses and a pinch on the tit and went back out for tax. That's all it takes to satisfy a new woman that was made here to you by acid. Yeah, pinch on the tip. Kisses in a pinch on the tip. Oh my goodness. Well, so on his way he sees big Patty lying on the ground. She's always like yeah, she's trying to shake

an acid trip from earlier that day. So Charlie kicks her kicks her and he says get up. You're going for a ride with Tex and Sadie. And so he finds medium hamburger Patty jokes, Patty, and will you just please do what I say? So sort of blubbery meat. So that's terrible for that poor girl, though. She took acid in the morning and then she had to go. She was she was dealing with the acid hangover in the back of this car just being all big and sad. This was one of the most active groups on acid I've ever seen. I know they did everything on acid, right? I mean, usually you can't do that. I mean, you stand and can find space for confined amount of time. And when you get out and you never want to go back, they

never stopped. Yeah, you know, the thing is, is that it just proved still you can't do anything on acid, right? You can't get away with it. Yeah, they had just moved to the desert like he'd been talking about for six months instead of just building dune buggies for no reason that maybe none of this would have happened. Dune buggies were pretty cool. It is pretty cool. So he finds texts just wandering around by himself. It tells him it's time. He said the girls don't have a place picked out. Anybody connect? What? Everyone is always just wandering around or fat on the couch. So he he gets he tells him he says it's up to you where you're going to go. The girls have no idea what to do. He said get

the bulk cutters for the phone and wire for the phone wires and fences and text like, I don't know. I'm a little I'm a little messed up, Charlie. I don't know where I'm supposed to go. Let me just say, all right, now, what's the difference between a house and a tent? One has a door, right? And what's the difference between like a normal house and like a gas station? What is a gas station? I hate to say this, but you're hovering eight inches off the ground right now. And what I'm going to need what I'm going to need you to do is to focus text, get out of the tree, text. And Nancy, he just pretty much says like, come on text. You've been a lot of these rich guy's places. He's like, Yeah, just go someplace

like where Terry used to live, right? And talking about talking about Terry Melcher. So with just an offhand with an offhanded comment, where it's like, Yeah, like fucking, I don't know Terry's place or something with an offhand comment like that. That is how Sharon Tate and all of her friends were murdered. Terry should have signed him. Terry should have signed the Manson's version of the story. And the Boogliosi version of the story I said he came in. It was bump bump bump. He ordered everybody. He said tonight's help your skill tonight. We're going to Terry Melcher's house and we're going to get revenge for him not producing my record. But I do also believe that is insane. It's not only insane. It's

also easily unproven because Manson went Manson knew that Terry Melcher didn't live there anymore. He had gone to the house to go look for money like three weeks ago. When he was going around trying to look for his money, he went to the house where he thought Terry lived. And the groundskeeper is like, he doesn't fucking he doesn't live here anymore. Manson's like, give me the address. Like I'm not get I don't know, I don't know. Grab human. Absolutely not. I will not do that. You rap. Then he robbed the groundskeeper and went away with bags and bags of grass. Very sad. This is also where a lot of the people who break down the above people who break down the crimes are ignorant of the

entertainment business. They really think that Terry Melcher just kind of heard it and passed in it and that they were not a part of each other's lives. When actually when you read about their their lives together, especially from Dennis Wilson's point of view, he Manson traveled around a lot of musical circles and actually got relative like they were listening actively to his music. They thought maybe it was a novelty that they could they could use. But they don't people who are not entertainment don't understand is that you'll bounce around for months. This is not a simple revenge story. No, no, no, they want it. They want it to be. They want it to be this this revenge story, but it's

not. It's just I believe that there's something that this is closer to the truth that it was just like, yeah, I'm at Terry's house. Yeah, they were just looking to have something to do that night and they're like, well, tonight's murder night. Oh, shit, we better plan that then. I thought it was Taco Tuesday, man. It's Thursday. So it takes him about 20 minutes to get everything ready. Get everyone together. And so that is record time. Yeah, that's all very quick. Yeah. And Manson said the thought back to just 12 hours earlier when he had showed up with his new squeeze. All of this happened in the span of 12 hours. And we had in total time here a year and 16 months by year and a half. Yeah, I'd say

like 16 18 months from the time he got out of prison until this point. That's the one thing it's still difficult to understand is just how compact and compressed this entire story is. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. And this is when you know, and Manson in his own words, he does admit to having response. I mean, he considers himself responsible for the murders and the fact that he said I was so much a part of it. I might as well have been in the car with the others. Knife and gun in hand. I was the one person who could have prevented that car from leaving spawn ranch. But so goes the feeling of power when coupled with hatred. Yeah. And it just sounds like a young Adolf Hitler's quote as well. Yeah, yeah.

And so the the first five victims of the Manson, the official Manson murders happened at 10050 Sealeel Drive. Yeah, you had Patricia Kern Winkle, Big Patty, Linda Cassabian, who had only joined the family the month before. It's a rough time. Yes. That's the worst time. It's like joining SNL during the Billy Crystal years. Very talented guy. Susan Atkins, also known as Sadie and Tex Watson, all on their way. The victims, first of all, Sharon Tate Sharon Tate. Do you think it went farted in the car? Probably. They're eating dumpster vegetables. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So the victims Sharon Tate. First of all, Sharon Tate, she was amazingly famous. She was I'll put it this way. She was famous enough where my I was

talking to my mom about this last night. My mom was 14 years old when all this happened. Lived in Jaten, Texas, middle of nowhere in the late 60s. She knew who Sharon Tate was. Right. Like Sharon Tate is also. Yeah, very good. So she her debut. She's dead now. Yeah, she died. How does this story end? Oh, don't tell me Sharon Tate's dead. I love her work. So her first role was in a film called Eye of the Devil, which was a suspense film about a cult that performed ritual human sacrifice to guarantee a lavish grape harvest for grapes. Grape. Yeah, actually, and it wasn't even for wine. It was for jelly. Concord grapes. Her second film was a vampire spoof called The Fearless Vampire Killers, a.k.a. Pardon

me, but your teeth are in my neck. Oh, that's funny. A.k.a. the dance of the vampire. She's dead now, though, right? Did she die? Oh, I hope she has a great, I think she's gonna have a great career. And it's while filming this movie, but by the way, the plot is she's kidnapped by a group of vampires and eventually rescued by a bumbling professor and his assistant. Oh, I love that. So it's while filming this movie that she meets her future husband, director Roman Polanski, who's best known for Rosemary's Baby, Chinatown, the pianist, and pedophilia later on in this life. Yeah, that's the other thing, too. Yeah. And it's like pedophilia the movie or the sitcom pedophilias are in John Ritter there and I also like in the 1970s,

most actors and directors were like just borderline, not criminals. Yeah, everybody was like, you had like Robert Blake running around and all these people that literally just beat the shit and threatened violence on every single person around them. They all got caught eventually though. And Polanski, of course, was completely shattered by this fucking event. He said that his absence on the night of the murders is the greatest regret of his life. Oh, what was he going to do? Yeah, die. He wanted to die. If he wasn't if he was there, we would not have had the incredible ninth great film with Johnny Depp. Yeah, that's a good point. I love everything Johnny does. And we definitely wouldn't have had Chinatown,

which was in 74. Yeah, Chinatown was a good fantastic movie. But he said in his autobiography said Sharon's death is the only watershed in my life that really matters. And he commented on her murder. He said it changed his personality from a boundless, untroubled sea of expectations and optimism to one of ingrained pessimism, eternal dissatisfaction with life, which caused him to have a sexual relationship with a 14 year old gymnast named Natasha Kinski and Chinatown. Yeah, so that's good. He run a movie and directed it. She was 26 years old and eight and a half months pregnant when she was murdered. Next up was Voljik Frejkowski. Voljik Frejkowski. We'll go into what happened there with Sharon Tate. How they do it? We'll

get into it. We're going to get into it. Yeah, we're not just going to list the victims and move on. Okay, good. Yeah, because it's very important stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Frejkowski and Folger Frejkowski was one of Polanski's childhood friends. Abigail Folger was his partner. She was heirs to the Folger fortune fortune. They, they, it was the worst part of waking up, you know, the whole joke. They were at the house. They were at the house because they house that for the Polanskis a lot. And Sharon's like, why don't you stay in extra couple days? Next one was JC bring. He was a Hollywood hairstylist. Very successful. He learned how to cut hair in the Korean War. He designed they had a very difficult with

bombs going off back and forth. You have to be really good at cutting hair. Oh, totally. Yeah. What are the odds JC bring the hairstylist is straight. He was actually a Sharon Tate's ex boyfriend and madly in love with her until the day and in fact died defending her. This is a super fucking creepy side story. So this was when Jay and Sharon Tate had both. This is when they were still together. He bought a home in Benedict Canyon in the house. Extremely dark history. Gene Harlow and MGM producers Paul Byrne. Byrne killed himself in the house. And three other people would die in later years. One committed suicide. Another drowned in a pool. A maid hung herself there. And Sharon says that in 1965 she woke up, was

woken up in the middle of the night to see a little man by the bed just kind of hanging out. And she ran out of the room and down the stairs and tied to the foot of the suit of the staircase. She saw the body of a man with his throat slashed. And then how did she react? Oh, she fixed herself a drink and went back to bed. And the last victim, or the last one we talk about in the first one to die, Stephen Parent, such a poor, he's like 17. He knew the caretaker at the Tate House, this guy William Garrison. He had come to sell Garrison an AM FM radio, a clock radio, because he worked at a fucking electronics. He worked at a stereo store. And Garrison, the worst part is, he didn't even sell the

clock radio. Garrison didn't want it. So the last thing he did was he died of failure. Oh, that's the worst. Terrible. Very sad. So he had a beer while they talked about the clock radio. He left around 215. He stops to push the button that opens the electronic gate. Standing there, Tex Watson got a long barreled Western style 22 revolver. The same weapon that they'd shot lots of Papa with. And in the other hand, the big fucking Buck Knife Watson shoots him four times point blank in the face, making him the first person to die. Honestly, in that situation, I'm thinking shoot me. The idea of getting stabbed and murdered with a buck knife is much more terrifying than just getting shot in the head a couple

of times. If I had to choose, yeah, yeah, if we all had to choose, we don't text Watson sound on a full on death trip. Death Watson text Watson. We're going to talk. We're going to see now is definitely the fulcrum of all of these murders. Yeah. Um, you really got into the role. Yeah, he really technically very good at it. Yes, he was for a total dope. Yeah, a person who's like a basically an unreliable piece of shit who could barely think. Yeah, who's tripping balls the whole time. Yeah, just Oh man, they were all tripping ball like and that's a thing to keep in mind as well is that at least half of these murder half of these half of the four were tripping balls the entire time. So now these are the

murders. Yeah, Linda Cossabian. She drove them to drove them to the house. She was the girl that had only been. She'd only joined the family the month before. She parks the car. She's only when the valid driver's license and thank God because they didn't want to get pulled over to get ticket. Exactly. They chose her because she was the only member of the family who had a valid driver's license. You don't want to go breaking the law. I mean, those laws are real and so text crawls out from the back seat. He climbs up the telephone pole and he cuts the wires to the house. They didn't drove the car to the bottom of the hill and started to walk up towards the house. Cool. Is it not cool? I mean, cool. Disgusting.

But it's like they literally parked it so they could make a quick getaway. They point they parked it at like like so it would just be driven off into onto the road. Yeah. Yeah. So they they this is where they find Steven parent. They kill him. And he was just like the car. You guys going to like a party or oh man. Oh, dang, bro. You want to clock radio? You want to clock radio? Yeah, he should have tried to sit on one. Maybe it would have worked. So Freikowski, Sebring, Tate and Folger, they they were all asleep by this point having stuffed themselves at a restaurant called El Coyote earlier that now and you can go to El Coyote, which is on Beverly Boulevard in in Los Angeles and have gone several times.

But every time you go, it's it's kind of a shitty Mexican restaurant, but it has it. But what they do is there's like a scam there where it's like people going all the time and they're like, Hey, can you bring us the meal that Sharon Tate and all them ate the night before they all got like right before they got murdered? And they just bring you the most expensive thing on the menu. That's a very good idea. They probably did eat that. So text finds an open window. He slices open the screen with his buck night and then goes to the front door and lets big Patty and Susan in through the front door. Freikowski butter up the front door. Yeah. With the idea that Sadie had or Manson had it's one or the other.

They talked about doing these crimes as witchy as possible, which I like that I like that turn a lot because the idea it's your I remember with all these crimes is that they are trying to inspire fear. Yeah. So this is it gets really creepy really fast. Yeah, Freikowski gets woken up by a text whispering to the girls. And the first thing he says is what time is it text sticks the barrel of the gun into Freikowski's face. He says, Be quiet. Don't move or you're dead. Freikowski asked him, Who are you and what are you doing here? To which text replied, I am the devil and I am here to do the devil's work. Good line when you're on acid. Yeah, unbelievable. Yeah. And Susan and Susan Atkins later on,

she told Manson after they had gotten back to the house, she said that he really looked like the devil. But the first thing she said was she's like him standing there and he had that knife on the gun on him, the rope on him. He looked like a real old Mexican bandolero. She also literally did say that. Yeah, that's great. So text tells Atkins and Kern and Winkle to search the house for other occupants. They come back with Folger, Sebring and Tate. And apparently so when Atkins walked upstairs neighbor upstairs floor, she went and she saw what's her name. Folger. She saw Folger in bed and literally the Folger looked up at her and just went high and like she was like it's like she expected to see me and

I just waved at her and walked past, which is like this crazy thing. I guess in the 60s you're just so used to maybe whacked out things happening. But literally this hippie woman just walking past the room and seeing you in bed and just waving at you and then walking past the door. I mean, it's very possible that she just thought like, Oh, hey, that's a girl that Jay's fucking right now. I guess you get I guess, you know, she's coming over to to hang out with Jay, which you know, when you see someone walking by in a house where a lot of people are in and out, it's not the word. It's not the dumbest thing. Yeah, you don't know who these people are. Right. She's like cute and young too. So you're like, she's

not here to kill me. Yeah. Yeah. So they brought them into the living room, text ordered them to lie down in front of the fireplace, but Sharon Tate, she was eight and a half months pregnant. So she couldn't. So Sebring says, Can you see she's pregnant? Let her sit, let her sit down. And for his outburst, texts shot him in the stomach. This is why he can't be a hero. Yeah. And this is a and when they asked what the intruders wanted, text said, you have to die to save my brother. And then everybody, of course, goes apeshit. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, as soon as he says that goes up until this point, he's literally just telling them they were they want their money, they want their money, they want the money. And

so they start going through trying to take some of their money. And then finally, he's like, What are you going to do? What are you going to do? And he's like, y'all gonna have to die tonight. And they just fucking pulled out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So texts, he ties a rope around the necks of Sebring, Folger and Tate on the advice of Charlie. He told him, he said, Just make sure the girls do it like Gary's house was done. Maybe take some rope and hang somebody like like the reverse of the cook looks planting. That way we'll put the heat on the blackies. Yeah, he likes he loves saying blackies. Yeah, yeah. It's a hard word. It's a hard word to say. Yeah, he says whitey and he says blackie. But he

and the other end of the rope was slung over a rafter. And then text order Patty to tie up frikowski with a towel, which seems like a bad idea. Yeah, you're not smart. Yeah, they're not smart. Yeah. And so he walks over to Sebring who's trying to defend Tate and her unborn child text takes out his buck knife, and he stabs Sebring seven times the second murder of the night. And then text orders Patty to turn off all the lights in the house. And he took the other end of the rope that was over the rafters. And he pulled and caused the women to stand up to keep from being choked to death. And so Susan Akin, she approaches frikowski with the intent to kill him. But frikowski, he's going into full on freak out

mode because now two people are dead. He struggles free. He pulls Susan's hair as hard as he can, which sends her down with a glow. Gorgeous ladies of wrestling pulling them the hair. I mean, I feel like it could be something more aggressive. Yeah, you think so, right? You think a polar hair. That's what I'll do. But in the moment, you know, you've got a hippie girl with a whole head of hair. You think first thing, pull it. Sure. Yeah. You also honestly, as a man, I've been trained my whole life to not hit a woman. Yeah, I don't want to hit a woman. But this with all this lesson shows me is that if she's got a knife, you could soccer frikowski. He he runs for the door. He's screaming and text

goes after him. He stabs him and he hits him so hard over the head that the with his gun that it broke the grip. But frikowski, he manages to make it through the door screaming and yelling and just down the hill from the house, a group of children from the Westlake School for Girls were camping with five counselors and they heard frikowski screaming, his text caught up with them. Like they heard this guy dying. So Susan, she runs out of the house and she joins text as they finish the job. Well, the driver Linda, she stood there just screaming at them. Stop, stop, stop this. And Susan just turned to her and said, it's too late and walked back into the house. Oh, yeah, that's very late. It's very late. Yeah,

I will say about that little girl that the camping trip is that, you know, it's kind of amazing. They got to experience what it took my uncle a whole four years in Vietnam to experience right there. Yes, I couldn't help but think of that movie troupe Beverly Hills. Yeah, that was a hell of a while. This was happening. Big Patty and Abigail Folger who would also freed herself. They started wrestling. And after being stabbed multiple times, Abigail broke free and ran down the hallway. Crenwinkel followed with an upraised knife. Finally tackled her on the lawn just outside of Sharon Tate's bedroom. And Crenwinkel continued to stab her over and over again until text came over to help. And she looked

up at her killers. And this is what Patty remembers her saying. Yeah, I remember her saying, I'm already dead. She just kept saying it over and over again. I'm already dead. I'm already dead. Stop. I'm already dead. Because she said also apparently like what she was doing to is that she was begging to be like I was a part of her negotiating because from Manson in his own words, he got this whole story from Sadie when they showed back up. And so Sadie came and told them this whole story. And according to her, Sharon Tate was begging to be like, you can take me hostage. Take me hostage just so I can have my baby. Let me have my baby and you can have me. And you know, by this point that whole the whole

fucking the train that already left the station would have been kind of cool if Sharon Tate could have had her Patty Hurst moment though. Yeah, just like hung out with the Manson. Can you imagine how happy Manson would have been? Oh my God. Sharon Tate show up. I get to buy another umbilical cord. Oh my God. That's all the guy was about. It's been years. Oh, I love that people jerky. So Sharon Tate at this point is the only one left alive. Atkins and Watson, they returned from the front lawn and she's just saying, please let me live. Please let me live. They ignored her and they stabbed her 16 times as Sharon Tate died crying for her mother because also Tex Watson had been given the direct orders

apparently from Charles Manson to make sure the women had something that all of the girls were involved in the crimes. So basically once they were even dead, Tex would pass the knife to the girls and be like, no, you stab her. You stab her so they will all be a part of it. So that's why these people had like upwards of 40 stab wounds by the time they found them is because they were just hacking at dead bodies. Yeah. So, uh, Karen Winkle, she grabs a towel on the way out, you know, acting on Manson's orders to leave a sign, something witchy. She picks up a towel, dabs, dabs it and Sharon Tate's blood and wrote pig on the front door and they were going to bend. They were going to hang all of the

victims, but they said quote, everything was too messy and we were tired. Yeah, they got exhausted. It seems it seems like a pretty tiring experience for all. Yeah, try to, I mean, honestly, try to get a bunch of hippies to finish a game of cranium. I mean, it takes fucking they didn't want to do it. It's not happening. So on the way home 45 minutes after they arrived, they stopped at a house and they used a hose to spray each other down. The homeowner hearing them came out and chased them away with a flashlight while his wife was yelling at him going, dirty hippies, you sluts, you tramps. And they said they were just out there just playfully watching each other's hands and arms and text like, I'm

sorry, sir, we just needed to use your hoes. So Sharon Tate could have been alive if she had a flashlight. Yes, yes, you got to shine them afraid of flashlights. Interesting. So they get back in the car, they throw their bloody clothes, the gun, the knife out the window. They stop at a gas station to wash up a little bit further. And as a text Watson as he looked in the mirror at the gas station bathroom, he said they he was quote, trying to find out who I was I wasn't anyone. I wasn't Charles Watson. I was an animal. The end of the world was there. I was the living death. Texas such a piece of shit. Yeah, he's such a bit text Watson. He was the one he immediately flipped on everything. He was the only one

who tried insanity defense. Yeah, he was the only one I didn't know what was going on. I just was having drugs and having sex. And next thing I know I'm sticking a big fork and knew a woman's throat. All of these people were a part of the same collective fantasy. This was this was Charles Manson was the fulcrum of it and he was the inspiration for a lot of it. But all of these they were active participants and they they made these choices. Yes, they did. They did the crimes. You know, like as much as Manson was a part of it and maybe drug them and maybe quote unquote brainwash them, which I don't even fucking believe because he's kind of a moron. I think that they this is all this trip. It's just, you know, because

we talk about the trains up the station. It had been it had been in the works for months. There's been so much negativity in the crowd of them. Yeah, that and this is what yeah, this is just what happens when there is a true unstable criminal mind at the front of all this group. Think of course all of that. Charlie Manson like the paranoia, but also just his general demeanor as a career criminal and it's just a generally fucked up dude is going to seep into these other people. It's going to right. Yeah. All right. So we got these murders. Now they all just go back to the house. They go back. Yeah, they just go back to the ranch. Charlie's just still squeezing tits and stuff. Yeah, he's pinching. He was

saying that he couldn't even ball his woman that night. He was so concerned about what he had done and that he just sat and waited for the sun sun come up until the car pulled into the driveway. Yeah, but he said when they got back and they told him about what had happened. He said he wasn't shocked. He said he didn't feel pity or compassion for the victims. The only concerns that he had is if the murders resembled the henman killing enough and if the murders had left any traces of their identities behind right and also not none of them fucking and they also didn't bring back any cash. That's what he was like mostly. They brought back less than $100 cash and no drugs. Oh my. Yeah, that's what he

was thinking. Not even the placenta. Well, they didn't know who they had killed that night. They didn't know who they had killed until the next day when they were watching news broadcast. Oh, shit. So that night they went out and he went back. So Charles Manson wanted to make sure that they had done everything on the fucking level. Yeah, he went back. He wiped down the crime scene. He left an old pair of glasses on the floor. This will trick the cops. Yeah, and as we'll find out later, it did. Here's another one. I mean, once we get into the investigation, we're going to get into yet another case of gross incompetence on the part of the LAPD, but we're going to get into that much later. The

next day they later that night, like the next day later that night after dinner, seven members of the family dropped acid, hopped in a car and drove around looking for more victims because they the police had made no link whatsoever between the henman murders and the tape murders. So Charlie says, All right, we got to go back out. We got to do it again. Second draft. Let's get it right this time. But this time I'm going to go with you because I'm going to make sure that it does right. Yeah. Yeah, he wants to make sure you do it right. And so like they're driving around according to Manson is on words. He's just sitting there like because, you know, again, he's always he's always trying to explain himself as

he goes. And he was like literally just been like, I just want to make sure we do this right and fast and cool and awesome. But at the same time, but he's full of shit because he he's not a murderer. No, like he himself is not a murderer. He's done every other crime under the somebody's never killed before. So a way to kind of like, well, he thinks he's a murderer at this point, doesn't he? He thinks he can do it. Yeah, he's he's going out to get his on as he says to get his own to get his hands dirty. Yeah, but I thought the the guy that he thought was a part of the Black Panthers. He thought that he killed them. But that was it. We'll get into that here in a little bit. We'll get into like his mindset

as far as that went. They ended ended up after about two hours. They ended up in Los Feliz, which is a hipster hipster Los Feliz. Yeah, Los Feliz. Yeah, Los Feliz. Yeah, hipster neighborhood nowadays. So they pulled up to the house and the girls asked Charlie if this was the house and they said, No, I'm thinking about the house across the street because they just wandered into this neighborhood because they knew a guy that had lived that lived across the street from the lobby on cause the victims in the second murder. And so Charlie, he took Tex up to the house. He found 45 year old grocery store tycoon Leno La Bianca sleep with a newspaper in his lap. They entered through the back door. They woke him up. They told

him, We're not going to hurt you. Be cool. All we want is your money. And so he tried to give them money. He gave them like 70 bucks that he had in his wallet. And then he was like, also, if you take me to my store, I can give you all my money. I can give you a shit ton of money. And they were like, you know, yeah. And but they were also they learned the lessons from the night before, like, don't tell them you're going to kill them. Yeah, you tell them you're going to kill them. They're going to freak out freak out. You're there for the free sirloin. So they tied Leno's hands behind his back with a strip of leather. Asked him if anyone else was in the room and he said Rosemary. Yes, she's back. She's asleep

in the bedroom. So Manson goes back to the room. He pulls the cover off or covers off of her. And he says, wake up, lady. You got company. And so he moves her to the living room with Leno and he ties her up as well. And Charlie, when he left the ranch, he was fucking geared up, man. He's like, I'm going to get my hands dirty. We're getting crazy. We're getting crazy. I'm going to fucking I'm going to plunge a knife into a woman tonight and I'm going to fucking kill somebody. Sure. But when he got there, he was faced with two people that were just sitting there passively in front of him. No aggression. They weren't trying to struggle free. So I need them to like freak out so that I can go kill them.

Yeah, I need them to do something so I can respond. Yeah, he's like, I need the survival instinct to kick him, which was what happened with Crow with the drug dealer. So he even goes as far as like he tells text. He's like, text, take, take the guy, take the woman to the other room, take her over there. And Charlie purposely turns his back on Leno LaBianca. LaBianca. He would attack him, hoping that he's going to fucking come in and, you know, and Charlie can switch on and he can kill the guy and he can be a part of it too. But he couldn't do it. Well, Charlie's too busy thinking about slashing prices.

So Charlie, he leaves the house. He walks back to the car. He tells Big Patty and Leslie Van Houten who was a new one. Do it. Yeah, he can't do it. He just can't do it. He's just like, I'm he's not a murderer. And this one thing about Manson is on words that I do appreciate is that it does. I mean, honestly, it makes him out to be a huge pussy and even says that. I mean, I hate to use the word use a term pussy, but it's like you hate to use the term pussy. No, I mean, like, like he it's not that he didn't have he just I mean, honestly, he just didn't have the guts to kill somebody. Yeah. And so he went back and put it on the guts to kill someone, but you either have murder in your heart or you

don't and Charles Manson didn't have it. So he goes back to the he goes back to the car where he finds Leslie Van Houten and Big Patty and he says, go in, do it good. Make sure it's done. So the pigs will put it together with him in that pad last night. We're going to go find another house and when you finish up, hitch back to the ranch and we'll see you there because there were seven people on this trip. So he sends two of them in with text and takes the other three and he's asking him, all right, who do you hate? Where are we going to go? And this one guy's like, well, there's this guy in Venice Beach. I don't like very much. So one of the girls in the other one was just like, and there's this

guy that like wouldn't make it with me once. Let's go get him. Yeah. So they go out to Venice Beach. I hate to say it Big Patty, but you, you're in a quiet taste. I love you. So he goes out to Venice Beach and he he's come down from the acid because he was on acid this entire time. Of course they all were. To pump himself up. Yeah, to pump himself up. That sheen is worn off. He doesn't feel invincible anymore. So he sends the other three into the apartment or out into the apartment complex and he says, you know what? I'm going to go home. So he just leaves like a dill taco and he gets a bunch of chicken tacos. He just bathed in the wedding. He says, like, you know, check out Rosemary's baby. And I

was like, I can't believe we killed that. I am. This is a man. You know, I'm, oh man, you know what I need right now? Some saltwater taffy. So back at the lobby, Anka house and these murders are, I mean, the tape murders really get a lot, all the press, but the lobby Anka murders are a little bit more brutal. Yeah, they're pretty brutal. So Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten, they've joined Tex inside and they've focused their attention on Rosemary and they had taken her who had been taken into the bedroom. They heard screams from the living room as Tex stabbed Leno ended it with a cut to the throat and Rosemary was given a rush of adrenaline by the screams of her husband. She attacked Leslie with a

big ass table lamp during the struggle. Leslie just kept saying, please be still, please be still. And so Patty, she comes back from the kitchen with knives and she helps Leslie in the fight against lobby Anka. Patty draws first blood stabbing Rosemary in the back, which severed her spine and Leslie later said at first she didn't want to do it. She didn't want to stab her. She said the more that she did it, the more fun it was. She said, quote, I was obsessed with the knife. Once it went in, it just kept going in and in and she was also tripping balls. Yeah, you know what I mean? So I remember watching Amelie four times in a row. You know, I was also way into that. Yeah. And by the end of it, Rosemary

had been stabbed 41 times. Hmm. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah, it's a lot. And so then basically Charlie gave them a whole lesson like a basic you got to wipe stuff down for fingerprints. So they clean the clean the whole place and then they they went as far to open all the drawers and wiped down the things they hadn't even touched because they're morons. Yeah, I put prints on them. Patty came and let them back out to the living room. She saw what text had done to Leno. He had been stand 14 times a double prong carving fork was stuck into his fucking stomach and a knife had been left plunged into his neck. And on his forehead, text had carved the word war, which is intense. Yeah. And on the walls, Patty had written

death to pigs and rise and on the fridge, she had written Helter skelter skelter skelter skelter skelter, misspelled the fucking name of the supposed inspiration. Helter skelter and apparently Helter skelter the words Helter skelter were written all over the ranch. It was everywhere. Right. And yet she still misspelled it. Come on. Just write it on your hand. It's just easier. Yeah. Focus. She made it more difficult than it had to be. You know, much more, much more. So the three took showers in the house and they hitchhiked home. If she got that as a spelling bee, like that would be great. Helter skelter. Can you use it in a sentence? You've just murdered a family. Write on the refrigerator. H E A. No. Oh,

damn it. Charles Fance has been that he has a big like sign in the back like go Patty, you know, how many how many drills do we have to run? How many note cards do we have to go through? Oh man. So they hitchhiked home. Charlie's waiting there for him. And over the next week, you know, just a Los Angeles is going fucking insane. And Charlie said the more the media sensational sensationalized the crimes, the wire the grin got on my face. But still after both murders, no connection whatsoever had been made between the Henman murder and these two murders and not only that, but this is absolutely fucking baffling. The cops made no connection between the Tate murders and the lobby on commuters. Well,

wasn't there a thing where they thought it was a copycat killer? I mean, they just didn't investigate serial crimes. Yeah, this was before the idea of the serial killer still. Yeah, they had no, they didn't realize that someone would do something like this. I think that they thought it was a kind of they in the papers the next day, they said it was a copycat killer with the, you know, after the lobby on commuters. Well, the Tate murders, they originally thought that there was some sort of drug. They were looking for the drug connection. That was the whole thing. This is this has to be all about drugs. But with a lobby on the one, they just didn't, you know, they had no idea. And like I said, you

know, it was interesting about the murders, too, is how it affected the Manson family, but how then it divided the group up between those that had committed murders and those who hadn't. And those who had committed murders, we're just sitting around the radio listening to the reports over and over again and just like whispering amongst each other when you got Stephanie hanging around, just being like, so when are we gonna have a barbecue? Right. Are we gonna like sing some songs or something? Charlie, you said that I was going to be a recording superstar. Yeah, and that was and there were 25 others just like her. You know, 25 others that had no idea that they had perpetrated these murders.

Because squeaky didn't even squeaky the most notorious all of them is just also just still just sitting around just like waiting to like trimmer bush and just wondering when the next ball sessions gonna be. So Charlie, he had he had no idea what to say. I love this quote from Charles Manson. Hey, don't feel like you're being left out of anything. All those girls are whispering about has nothing to do with you. It's just that eight people are dead and the rest of you aren't supposed to know about it. So finally, the long delayed move to the desert was underway. Of course, now with it, and now they're going to the desert. Yeah, now they're finally going to the desert. And yeah, and Charlie said, except

for time out for music and sex, we worked at getting ready for the final move. Why did you take any time out? People get to the fucking desert. He's so stupid. Yeah. So but before that could happen, police raided the ranch for an entirely different murder for an entirely different reason. They raided them for stealing VWs and turning them into dune buggies. They're literally just starting to like, they're like, look at this group of people just living on this fucking like plot of land. We should find a way to arrest them. Yeah, like what are these? Let's let's arrest these. Yeah. But the thing was that the charges are actually dropped two days later because the cops had written the wrong date on the search warrant.

Oh, all right. Well, it is no traffic violations. So that's good for Charles. Nobody gives him enough credit for that. Well, because Sabian had an impact, no points on her license. Yeah, she was great. Yeah. But some, you know, it was very clear to Charlie that the cops that the cops knew the layout, they knew all the secret hiding places that they had, they knew all the escape plans that they had. So Charlie knew that someone had snitched because he was utterly convinced that nobody in the family could have been involved. He decided that it had to have been one of the people who worked on spawn ranch. So he eventually settled on a stunt man named Donald Shorty Shay, who took care of the horses. Shane Manson, of

course, they hated the fuck out of each other because it's Manson versus a cowboy. And I mean, Manson's a fake cowboy and Shay is also a fake cowboy. Exactly. And George is actually on the verge of selling spawn ranch because he was old and blind. And Shay, of course, thought, you know, it's the best in the best interest of everyone to get these fuckers out of here. So Charlie around August 28th, 1969, about 20 days after the murders, Tex, Bruce Davis, Steve Grogan, Bill Vance, Larry Bailey and Charles Manson, they all took Donald Shay out for a ride. And from the backseat, Grogan struck Shay with a pipe wrench while Tex Watson started stabbing him. Then the group took Shorty out of the car, brought him down

a hill behind spawns and stabbed him to death. And again, and this is one of the murders that Charles Manson was actually like convicted of. They said that he killed him. And again, Charles Manson vehemently denies that he actually killed him. He again, he just said, I was there. I didn't break any rules. Is it, is it against the law to stand on a tract of land in your moccasins? And I did nothing. So his body, Shay's body wasn't found until December of 77. And Grogan, he actually drew a map for police to Shorty's remains because there was a rumor going around that they cut him into nine different pieces. Oh, wow. That's a lot of pieces. Nine. Yeah. Nine. So Manson

and Manson, he said that he can't clear up any details about it without being a snitch himself. But he said that Boogliossi, he said caught up in his own helter skelter Assyria overlooked many participants, accessories and conspirators someplace out there in that society. He protects so well. He has left several killers to prowl the streets. Right. Right. Right. So Manson said that whoever murdered him, still out there. So after they got arrested, Charlie said, you know, it was not hard at all to convince people to get the fuck out of there and go to the desert. He got I mean, the paranoia got even higher. He got strict. He pushed

the family into just being combat ready at all times. He pushed for quote, vigilant secrecy, mobility and contempt for anyone outside. And he and honestly Manson says that he felt a lot of guilt about this whole time period about basically it's what he said. It's he's been always been searching for a home and for a family and for a sense of peace. And now the whole thing has gone wacky woo on him and he doesn't know like he just doesn't know how to stop it. He doesn't know how to stop it. The whole thing's been cycling out of his control for a long time. And you know, he's a fucking moron. He's just no good at it. No good at being a cult leader. All these

cult leaders. They don't realize how much work it is. Yeah, it's a lot of work. It never lasts. Right. So the and the sex, by the way, he said that it moved from free flowing pleasure into aggressive lust. The music stopped altogether. Oh, yeah. And as the weeks in the desert passed, a lot of the family just kind of drifted away. And they only moved around at night and the locals, they noticed them. They noticed these fucking weird ass hippies just skulking around all night long. No, this thing has been waiting to get busted for so long. They can't believe that they lasted for as long as they have. Yeah, up until this point, because they're

just a menace. They're just out all night smoking, smoking weed, doing drugs, probably screaming and laughing and playing music. And they're just got like surrounded by neighbors. Yeah. And so the cops raided Baker Ranch. They finally figured it out. Raided Baker Ranch for auto theft and possession of firearms. But Charlie was away. And again, again, he was away. But the second raid that they did would be the last day. Charlie Manson would breathe air as a free man when the cops busted in on October 12 1969, two months after the murders, they found Charles Manson curled up in a small cabinet beneath the sink in his haste to hide a few of his a few strands of his hair made their way outside of the drawer,

which an officer noticed. And later, the arresting officers said that if it wasn't for the hair, he wouldn't have ever looked in the cabinet because he said it looked too small to hide him. He's like Terry, the no, he's just like, Yeah, yeah, I got his head high. There's a shit. This is my fucking toilet a court. Oh, shit. Fuck. Poor Charlie, wild hair did a man. He also had a very special gliggle. It's it was a getaway spaghetti pot. So cute. Adorable Charles Manson. This is a much heavier episode than the other two episodes. Yeah, the other two episodes was a lot of like free love and but yeah, this is when much like the Manson family, this is when shit turns dark. Right, right. So so we got arrested

because his hair was poking out there. His hair was his hair was poking out. And how the LAPD finally put everything together was they had for months, they had no leads, no leads whatsoever. They had no idea what was happening. But when the Manson family had been arrested in that raid earlier that month, they were so fucking overjoyed that they were being arrested for auto theft instead of murder that they all started singing. And naturally, they started singing what they were listening to most at that time, which was songs from the White Album, which is also just it's still ridiculous. And then the same so when then when they showed up, because they didn't realize that Halter Skelter was literally

written all over the entire fucking camp. Yeah, they were listening. It's so ridiculous. So what happened here? So they were sitting in jail. They think they're there for traffic. They they're being told that they're they're finally for a track of traffic violation. So they're fine. So the the lobbying team searched police records and came across the Hinman murder, right, because they figured out like someone had mentioned it at some point. Yeah. And so what they did is they cross that they saw someone finally saw the similarities at the very least saw that there was a gruesome murder in which somebody had written the message and blood on the walls. So they think, Okay, we've got nothing else.

Let's look into this. And they also were looking at the Halter Skelter angle of it is because that this is the lobby on the team. So they start cross referencing people that have been arrested in that raid with a list of people who had been questioned in the Hinman murder. They one of the people they questioned. So this guy is guilty for stealing a bunch of liquorice from a candy store. This guy is arrested for being too groovy at a stoplight. I think we got our chain of events here. So they finally the name they finally came up with was actually Bobby Bousier's girlfriend, Kitty Lutzinger. And so Lutzinger, she knew nothing about the actual murders themselves. But through what she said talked about, they

followed up leads that led him to biker gangs, who Manson had tried to hire as bodyguards. And he at Manson had alluded to the murders several times when they talked to the biker gang, at least they didn't actually he didn't actually say, listen, we killed a bunch of people and we think the Black Panthers are going to come down on us. So we're going to need to hire you. He didn't say but he alluded to it enough, whereas they got a hook in Charles Manson's problem, which we're going to see later on too, is the fact that he wants to be appear to be this hardened criminal. He wants to appear to be this fucking evil kingpin. So of course, he's going to throw around all this evil shit around a bunch of spikers,

because he wants them to respect him. Because again, you've got this fucking gnome, dude, trying to like get your confidence and be his bodyguard, you're going to want to brag a little bit. Yeah. And so on. But what really did them in more than anything was Susan Ackens, Sadie, always known to have a big mouth. She started bragging to her cellmate that she was a part of the Tate and lobby on commers. And that's when everything just came tumbling down. So in December 1st, the restaurants were issued for Tex Watson, Patricia Crenwinkel and Linda Cassabian. All three were quickly picked up. Physical evidence started rolling in. Fingerprints were found at the Tate residence because amazingly enough, Charlie had, you

know, missed a couple when he went back. Yeah, I don't know how he's such a thorough guy. And they also took all when they left the scene of the crime, they literally took off all the bloody clothes and the knife and just threw it out in a field. Yeah. And they found all of it. Yeah, that got found real quick. And the Texas revolver, I was found by a 10 year old kid. And so Sandra, working through her attorney, she sold a story called Two Nights of Murder on December 14th, 1969. And you're going to see a lot of this now where all of these people are quickly separating themselves from the crimes as fast as humanly possible. And so she said, and then I love Charlie's Charlie's response to this is like, this girl

who had perhaps taken more drugs, created more scenes, inflicted more stab wounds, possessed the most perverted fucking imagination and desired more attention than anyone among our circle told a story that projected me as love itself, magic music maker, a devil, a guru, Jesus, and a man who ordered her and others to kill. Shit. There was any truth to what I was said to be capable of. I'd have been sitting in Hearst Castle with stereos in every room, listen to my own platinum albums, which is a fucking great point. He was not the charming. He was a little maniac and a piece of shit. So by the time Charlie hit the courtroom on the first day in June 15th, 1970, the whole myth of Charles Manson, the monster, the mastermind,

the man who took everyone's young, the man who could take your young child and, you know, turn her into a murderer, that was established. Everyone knew that Charles Manson was a monster. And that was the genius part of these defense attorneys. It was lawyers and publicists who figured out how to spin this whole fucking story. Charles Manson, again, is not innocent, but he's not the devil himself. No. So the prosecution's main witness was Linda Cassabian, who flipped immediately on everyone, because of course she did. She was only there for less than a month, and she was just the driver, so she flipped because she got immunity from the prosecution. So she was the star witness against everyone in this. And Manson,

Atkins and Crenwinkle, they'd all been charged with seven counts of murder and one of conspiracy. Manson was, oh, God, I wish they would have let him do this. Oh, they originally allowed him to act on his own defense, but due to a submission of, quote, outlandish and nonsensical pre-trial motions, the permission was withdrawn before the trial started. I imagine him showing up in one of those English barrister costumes and being like, all right, so I got my lawyer wig. The next thing I need is, all right, I need about five or six tubs of beer. I need literally bathtubs filled with beer. And then the next thing I'm definitely going to need is a rock to sit on, because I've kind of not been sitting on chairs for a while now.

So if you could just get me like a sharp rock, I could put my little bony butt on, that'd be great. So denied his right to represent himself, Manson showed up the first day of trial with an X on his forehead to represent that he was, quote, considered inadequate and incompetent to speak or defend for himself and had X'd himself out of the establishment's world. Oh, he's not inadequate. He could do it. He really could have. He could have done it. But they would have given him the chance. He would have been better than Bundy, I bet. Definitely more. I mean, he probably wouldn't have worn a Seattle supersonic sweater at any

point during his trial. Tell the jury they're beacons of light. Maybe if he had known what the Seattle supersonics were, he would have had the jersey on just because he's just like, what is basketball? So by the second day of the trial, all the other defendants all had an identical X along with all of the family member protesters that were outside. Because remember, only four of the Manson family had been arrested. So there's still plenty of other girls and dudes out there still preaching Manson's word, but there were three and really in particular to Sandra Good and squeaky from that really stood by him and really took it upon themselves to spread Charlie's words because squeaky squeaky was fucking supportive

of Charlie 10 years after. Oh, he had nothing to do with the murders. This is what we talked about before. All the ones that didn't go to jail or were in a part of the original murders scenes that they still love the whole fucking free love thing. They loved what they were doing. Oh yeah, because Charlie, he, you know, they that whole trip as far as protesting and all that. They started that because of a bad jailhouse vision with Charlie, because he was pissed off at him because squeaky was squeaky and Sandra were the ones that convinced him to stay that morning. The ones that said, don't go Charlie, don't go like we need you here. We are one because squeaky was a true blue fucking believer in all of Charlie's

peace and love bullshit. Yes, like she was the true blue blue believer. So they responded to him blaming them for that. He said, they said, well, tell the whole world about your good, your love will make them see that you're not responsible. So that is when the spectacle of the Manson girls began. And this is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is a clip from squeaky from asking about how just pretty much how people are treating them outside. She was asked how all the publicity affected her. A lot of pushing, a lot of pushing for something that people want, you know, and we got it, you know, but they can't grab at it, you know, to just have to be patient and give. And it's it's in everybody. It's in everybody. God,

she must have been fun at a party, though. You know, I mean, like she must have been like a foot like you kind of get trapped for a little bit and you're like, God, you're cute. This is great. Yeah. So they but the people on the outside, they were also trying their hardest to intimidate former family members from testifying. Both prosecution witnesses Paul Walkins and one Flynn, who was a ranch hand, they were both threatened and Walkins was actually badly burned by a fire in his van. And formerly fam former family member Barbara Hoyt, who had overheard Susan Atkins describing the tape murders to Ruth and Morehouse agreed to accompany Ruth and to Hawaii. It's just so strange of all places. Why would you

go on a vacation with each other? Like, why? Why go now? Why are we going on vacation right now? So what they did when they got to Hawaii is they took a hamburger that Hoyt was eating and spiked it with LSD. And of course, they gave her way too much acid. And whole hamburgers were hamburgers, hamburgers. It also sort of reminds me of the scene from Dumb and Dumber. How they know I have gas on it. But she wasn't actually she wasn't intimidated into it. And she before she was a reluctant witness, but after they gave her the acid burger, she completes just like, Yes, absolutely. I'm putting these fucking people away. And it's also rumored that the Manson family killed Leslie Van Houten's lawyer, but his death was eventually ruled

accidental that he drowned in a flash flood. But there are some people who very much maintain that he was killed for not following Leslie's instructions, which of course also but I mean, some people say that the instructions came from Manson Manson said that the instructions didn't come from him. Yeah, of course. But on October 5, Manson was denied the court's permission to question a prosecution witness. Because he kept he's kept saying like, I must ask the hard questions. Who is your favorite rubber human being? Is it Jim Carrey or is it Gumby? Yeah, I will ask you good questions. What's your favorite burger? Is it in and out or is it fat burger? Come on. The jury who needs to know. So Manson he gets pissed

off and it said that he left over the defense table. But I would imagine it was more of a skitter. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, more like a jumping spider. But the judge on the other hand, he was scared enough where he had a revolver under his robes at all times. Because as and it was also creepy as Charlie was being wrestled to the ground. All the girls stood up and started chanting in Latin, which is what were they chanting? Domini a storm was a Latin. I mean, I don't know. I'm jealous. Domini sounds good. So on November 16, the prosecution rested. And three days later, strangely enough, the defense rested as well. They called no witnesses to the stand whatsoever. And the defense lawyers say that was because

they didn't want the girls to go on the stand to try to remove all the blame from Charles. Because by this point, Susan Atkins had switched back to Charles Manson side. She had started off denouncing a group. What a mess. Well, a group of fucking total messes constantly. Oh, what a gigantic mess. And while the Hinman copycat defense, it was tried. It didn't work. And on January 25, 1971, guilty verdicts were returned against the four defendants on each of the 27 separate counts. Watson, who was tried separately, was found guilty as well. And so Charles Tex Watson, Patricia Big Patty Crenwinkel, Susan Sexy Sadie Atkins, Leslie Morningflower Van Houten, and Charles Pussy Wizard Manson were all sentenced to death.

But less than a year later, all the sentences were reduced to life in prison after the death penalty was abolished in California. And all of them, except for, I believe, Susan Atkins are still alive to this day. And now we have the best version of Manson, which is in jail Manson. No, J. Manson in jail is like Richard Pryor live. It's like fucking George Carlin like why like how'd I get here the Jersey special. He is he's so awesome in jail. And the reason why is to is when you watch him and you see all these crazy fucking speeches he gives and he's always nuts and dancing around. He said he's having fun number one. Number two, he finally has fulfilled his literally his childhood dream. Yeah, of being the king

of jail. Yeah, it's like what he's always wanted. Yeah, he's the scariest dude in jail. He's got the biggest rep he could do whatever he's totally comfortable. He's got people taking care of him. He's got health care. He's got a fucking a toilet. He didn't have a toilet on the spawn ranch for two years. And yeah, and we're sitting here we're making fun of Charlie. You know, we made a lot of jokes about Charlie. But he asked like, what do you think Charlie would say about all this? Yeah, like what do you think? Yeah, let's hear what Charlie has to say. What he probably is probably what you have to say about it. And get another thing I'd like to flash on you guys. All you Johnny Carson's and all

you comedians you get up there and tell jokes about Charlie Manson. What would you do? You know, I was in the same room. Would you tell jokes about me then? I'd like to go with Johnny Carson show. See, you know, you know, just beard covers up, Johnny. You know, just beard covers. That's a solid punchline, Charles. No, he's amazing. I tell you what I do, I'd fucking scoop him up in my arms, and I'd give him a little kiss. I would pet his head, and I would pet his tiny beard. I agree. And here's what Charles had to say. This is when someone asked him, are you Jesus? Are you God? What do you think about God? Well, God, I guess you're my best friend means I invented you. Because he invented him? Sure, I believe myself.

And why wouldn't I? Which one? Are you Jesus? Which Jesus? There's all kinds of Jesus. There's a black Jesus down in Florida. He's having a good time. There's a Mexican Jesus in Mexico. I mean, there's all kinds of Jewish Jesus. I mean, Jesus, you know, it's all kind of Jesus coming back everywhere. Another can stop it. It's a consciousness that lives in your mind. You know what I'm saying? The more I listen to him, the more I make he makes fucking sense. He talks about several speeches about how he's like, I don't live in this physical world. I live in the spiritual world. He's he's a very complex. I mean, of course, it's just a very complex story. Yes, it's a long story. We got to we got to the end of it. Yeah. Yeah, we got

answered is safely behind bars, I guess. Yeah, he's protected. Yeah, he's made he's getting married. Yeah, as far as we know star as far as we know him and star still getting married. Yeah. Yeah, he's got all 25 year old cute girl. Yeah. Yeah. And also I'd like to say so another thing too is for everybody, check out the documentary called The Source on Netflix to watch what happens of an actual successful cult, founded by a guy named Jim Baker, who changes name to Father Yod. And imagine, imagine the Manson family, if they had literally millions of dollars, some of the most smoking hot men and women living in a mansion together, they produced 60 albums under the name Yahweh 13, this this fucking killer psychedelic band that they did. Yeah. Take a look

at it. Jim Baker, six foot four, beautiful, do huge dude, jujitsu master named the world's strongest boy when he was 12 years old. Well, well, that's amazing, man. What a three parter it was. Yeah. Yeah, that actually this concludes our probably our longest episode ever. Yeah. So hopefully, I'm hoping you've taken your shoes off at this point and hopefully you got your shirt off. I'm I'm I mean, I am. Yeah, yeah, almost totally nude. Yes, you are you have not been wearing a shirt this entire time. That's great. Yeah. Well, all right, everybody. Thanks so much for listening. I'll do a hail yourselves. Hail Satan game. Will you please hail me before you go? I mean, who's about us or the no, I'm just saying just saying general

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who can help you in a very real world way. Please tell them as soon as you possibly can. If I cannot stress this enough, if you are thinking of hurting yourself or somebody else, please tell somebody before you do something that you cannot take back. But we're going to go out on some of Charlie's music. We're going to go out played from a tape. Yeah, playing from a tape. This is a song called Eyes of a Dreamer. It goes to lesions, everyone. You love this. I love it so much. Listen to it twice today. Or the whole album. Smile on your face. It's like a boy.