Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 153: Fred and Rosemary West

Episode Date: February 17, 2015

The Heavy Hitters series continues with the UK's (and possibly the world's) most depraved and sadistic man and wife team, Fred and Rosemary West.

Hey everyone, if you haven't yet be sure to go to podsurvey.com to take a quick survey to help us get some advertisers and to help us Keep this podcast free. That's podsurvey.com slash last really helps us out a lot. We appreciate every single one of you There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left Yeah, that's when the cannibalism started I pressed record press record. That's the most important one church And killing the babysitter rapper to put your tape around her head. I'm sorry. I just can't get my hands around the song Oh

Let me try it again Sometimes when we charge Again my daughter pregnant. All right. No redo it again redo it I don't know how to I don't know how to write a song about Frederick and Rosemary West without including how they rape their own daughter put a baby in her and Then choke to the death in a rancid basement in Gloucester, England. Well, I thought we were recording a Christmas album today So I'm way off. I had no idea who Fred or Mary Westward My name is Terry Tingleton and I write songs about sir because for light FM Terry Tingleton

And I write songs about serial killers for light Right, right. We've established this. That's great. Yes I've done it again. I wrote a song called about Jeffrey Dahmer called. I'm hungry for your bones and it Did not do well on the charts. No, I remember that. Yeah, as a matter of fact, we were we were banned for three weeks. I Am not a successful man. I live in a tent outside of a motel six somewhere in Valdassa, Georgia But I will continue to write my songs because of broken clocks. I was right twice All right, well the hour's up. Thank you so much. Get out of here. I

Was expecting this Welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone that's Marcus barks. I'm Ben kiss will we're joined by the very talented Henry Zabrowski as well today's topic is Disgusting spooky ookey, but it's about love at the same time Yeah, Fred and Mary West, okay, we'll say it's about soul mates and Sometimes, you know, sometimes having a soulmate is a beautiful wonderful thing Uh-huh, let you know that there's good and kindness in this universe But sometimes those souls belong to two monsters who should have been put down at very young ages like Ronald and Nancy Ragan

Yeah Think about me man. Yeah trickle down and of course we're doing Fred and Mary West today Are Fred and Rose West today? I always call her Mary just sounds better No, Rose is more appropriate because Rose is more of a prostitute's name. Yes. Yes But we're doing Fred and Mary or Fred and Rose West today The reason why we're doing England's most notorious sailor serial killers this week is because we can finally officially announce that we're gonna be coming to England for a full tour in late March late March UK look out and we're saying this right now

We're gonna fuck up some names this episode But by the time we get to the UK We will be better at pronouncing names Yeah, because I don't want to because someone told me that there's a thing called getting glassed. Yes in the UK Yes, what's that all about? It's exactly what it sounds like what they throw glass at you No, it means that if you piss somebody off In the UK and tell tell listeners tell us if we're if I'm right or if I'm wrong

What they'll do is is that they'll wait for you being in the middle of like drinking your beer And they'll come up up to you and just smash the end of the glass into your face Yeah, oh, that's classic college stuff. I can deal with that Yeah, so let's yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna start off on The 23rd of March in Cardiff, then we're going to Birmingham. We're gonna do the Glasgow comedy festival We're gonna play Salford, which is in Manchester Salford And then we're gonna end the whole thing up in London on Friday the 27th The tickets go on sale on Friday. All right, well, it's gonna be a great show. All right

Let's in Salford is the first place that Paul McCartney ever had a chicken wing. I've actually heard that story That's a fun fact. I believe lots of fun facts I believe that's entirely true as a matter of fact at that chicken wing restaurant. That's where Ringo was working So that's where he Back there now he's back there now having a great time telling everybody that he still did. Yep. He's still the shitty beetle Yeah, you want to get I've got teriyaki They let me know my own flavors this one's called octopus is gone. It's like fucking squid Oh, I love octopus is garden. That's my favorite kind of chicken wing. All right. Let's get the friend

Rose West. Oh, and you can go to gigs and tours comm to buy tickets for the last podcast on the left So before we before we begin this this episode. Well, you know what I'd say, you know, if you've got a daughter Don't touch her. No, leave. I mean Leave Malone and really if you've got a son, don't touch him. Don't touch kids For a day for a day after you listen to this episode. Just don't even look at your kid All right, let him let him just kind of sit in their own juices for a while. They don't need too much more meddling. They're fine so Fred and Rose West between 1967 and 1987 West alone and later with his second wife Rose Mary West

tortured and raped numerous young girls murdering at least 11 including a couple of their own Family members and the crimes often occurred in the couple's homes in the city of Gloucester at 25 Midland Road But most of the murders took place in the most infamous address in England 25 Cromwell Street

I did you ever see have you seen pictures of the address sign of 25 Cromwell Street? No, it just made of bones It looks like it fell off a like an HR a Huff and puff whatever show It's just like it's all like big doodly writings like I guess was like common in England in the 70s. Let's see it Um, oh, it looks far too far too friendly for what happened there. I think I'm just I can't get a date off a tinder And this man was married twice. Yeah, that's upsetting. Did you see the women that he was married to? Were they women or were they men? They were women Yes, they were women. Let's start with the early life I will put it this way Rose West was kind of attractive in like

Been hit in the head with a frying pan eating up them at bangers and mash kind of way Yeah, she was a prostitute people paid to have sex with her and Fred just got it for free All right, so Fred West let's start with the early life of this guys We usually do with the heavy hitters. He was hey, uh, just yeah, don't eat lunch If you're eating food, just stop eating food right now, please this is gonna get really really bad This is among the most disturbing that we've ever covered if not the most disturbing heavy hitter He was born in the small rural village of much Markle in bad nature They're all bad names. They never Fred West never lived in a place that had a good name. They're all awful fucking names

Yeah, they all just sound like candies Yeah They don't have the fun American names like pleasant point or just like place to be no They've got names like Coat Bridge and Lanarkshire. Yeah So he was born in much Markle in Hertfordshire in 1941 That's 120 miles from London. His father Walter was a cow man and And was made as a cow man. It's a cow like a cowboy. He raised cows. Oh, but but he's a rapist Yeah, that's why he's a cow man. Yes, that's implied. You're giving my band a very bad name here

This was oh, this is an opportunity for you for you to plug your band the cow man album out in March That's great never never miss an opportunity even when you're talking about the father of a man who raped and murdered countless women Yeah, he was many years older than his wife Daisy She was just 16 when they married and was a lifelong morbidly obese woman Daisy is not a name for a person. It's the name for an animal. I agree Daisy's a terrible name for a gale unless your name is Daisy out there and you're listening. I think you're beautiful So Fred he was the second of six children That Daisy and Walter would have over the short span of ten years

It was one after another with these people and never stopped Later on in life Fred would routinely rape one of his sisters with his brother John and their father Well, and this is this right here. This is important to remember Fred says that he impregnated his sister But as we'll see with Fred West pathological liar So anything any information that we get from Fred West should always be taken with a grain of salt But he did definitely rape and kill 13 people if not more 13 at least, but it's kind of fun It's like what it Fred and his father. They're sort of like the Manning family, you know, the pain manning Eli Eli Manning already Manning. Oh got the DNA. You've got the training, right? You're all raping your sister

Just like the Mannings So the West they grew up very secluded they rarely mixed with outsiders like which is so weird because they seem real I know Don't they with their shoes and having sex with all the animals. So of course this environment I Fred saw incest and rape. He grew up seeing incest and rape as something that was normal Like this was what he was isolated from everybody else He quit school at the age of 15 because he was a bit of a dullard Couldn't read couldn't write very charming guy though had definitely had the gift of gab

I don't know they say that about so many serial killers And I feel like that's just way overblown because their crimes are so heinous and then they'll be like but in reality He would grunt. No, it's because it's because he does it It's because it's like when you meet Fred West you expect and be like Hey, would you come in you got my code you fucking bitch and like it's when you meet him and he's just like hello Like oh look at that Think how charming he is are you gonna treat all the people in the UK like gnomes? Is that your plan Henry? Oh look at them like that is a that's our cab driver

I've said this before I believe that British women are absolutely gorgeous and their men are very smart I've heard you say it before and I just heard you say it again So Fred in addition to raping his sister He took the incest even further losing his virginity to his mother at the age of 12 Thank God, but that's not on Fred. That's on Daisy. Don't don't give Fred that one I'm not taking two to tango man. He was 12. I'm not gonna. Yeah, I'm not Giving that to Daisy, but it definitely let it definitely left a bit of a mark on A little put it this way Daisy was the Jordan in that scenario Fred was the Scotty Pippin sure sure

And of course the mother Fred was her favorite little boy And she was sucking his dick. Yeah, I don't know if my yeah, how mom has chosen favorites I'll just as a that's just a fact toy that everybody should know bye. She's sucking your brother's dick, right? He's the favorite. Maybe it's best not to be the favorite If you want to be president right Though of course His mother would go up to school and constantly defend every little act that Fred did and he gained the reputation for being a mama's boy But the other thing that he gained a reputation for was hard core bestiality

And that was a skilting guy charming. What a charming guy And He actually gained all of his knowledge of bestiality from his father his father told him Henry Do you do you want to take how his father instructed him the best way to take a sheep? If you're slipper sheets are in legs under your boots, it can't run away Thanks dad thanks dad and when these are the conversations, you know daddy These are the conversations that a kid can't forget. I like I like that time you said hey, why don't we go rape your sister? Right, I mean

It's funny to me in a way because he's actually making his father and his mother very proud with his actions, isn't he? Well, we never I mean up to this point up to this point and we'll see later how they bafflingly Find a reason to disown him but until then But until then he's still the pride of the family and his father had a very simple philosophy That Fred would carry with him for his entire fucking life And this is a terrible philosophy to give to a psychotic child He said do whatever you want. Just don't get caught doing it. You see it's a simple philosophy It's very simple. Yeah, it's very very simple

But in the hands of a psychopath it turns into rape and murder for at least 13 women And Fred he idolized his dad. He looked up to him. He thought that his dad was the fucking bees knees He's the man who has all the answers. He taught me how to fuck sheep He taught me how to fuck my sister He lets me fuck my mom and he thought that his mother home different moon Also, what's interesting too is how this is different from any other heavy-header. We've really covered is that he had a strong Relationship with his father. Yeah, that like yeah, this is literally pinion dog And it's mostly it's a rebellion mostly. It's like a rebellion from the parents

So this is why I act this way or like because they treated them terribly. This was it's like they were fucking pals Yeah, he taught him like you basically he became an apprentice to a guy who was everything but a serial killer Right, right. Yeah, as far as we know or you have like a Dahmer's dad where he was just like there. Well, I just didn't know I Didn't know what he was doing back there, but it mostly I I heard I heard some yow-ing I thought he wanted to be a bit. I am not sure. It's true. I think that yeah, that is true So like many other serial killers Fred West suffered from a very serious head injury at a young age He crashed his motorcycle head-on into a car that was traveling in the other directions He spent a week in a coma

His broken leg that the leg that he broke in the accident would be permanently shorter than the other which caused him to limp for the rest of his life and That was just him just driving going like seeing the truck coming. It's going like yeah, get out of the way Quite possibly and he had a metal plate that was inserted into his head and Fred He already was had inherited Obvious mental problems from his parents his parents were not sane people but that combined with a fucking twisted and bizarre childhood environment and Serious frontal cortex injuries really brought everything together to make this guy the perfect fucking killer now

We've seen with frontal cortex injuries before the frontal cortex Gacy had it. I believe a Bundy had it. This is where the conscience lives Like where the things that would make all of us say fuck. No, I'm not gonna do that That's repulsive these people don't have that. What's a good thing James Dean died in that crash Otherwise he would have came out a serial killer but What I also think is interesting too is I like this concept that the idea that the frontal lobe may be where The antenna is that connects us to the collective unconscious. Yeah, that's my theory. I like this idea

I guess I do a lot because it's they it's You can see how that will affect empathetic idea like it basically it's like you you got Lot knocked off the Wi-Fi and now you have to look at porn. That's on your computer Which is you just draw on boobies on MS paints. I mean, that's not necessarily how I'd put forth my theory Yes, I do believe that the the the connection to the collective unconsciousness of humanity does live in the frontal cortex of our brain and then once that is Severed then guilt is essentially gone. Not everyone necessarily becomes a serial killer. Some people become CEOs Sure, some people become the shitty person

People become podcast comedians. Oh, yeah, I did have a frontal cortex injury as a child I used to do some results into the corner of my wall I swear to God I did and then I would also have hammer Tuesdays where I just hit my head in the hit my head with a hammer on Tuesdays So after this accident Fred, of course was suddenly prone to extreme fits of rage He become extremely violent over extremely mundane things, but okay, so at this point when he gets really angry He has a one leg is shorter than the other. Yeah, the metal plate in his head, right? Yeah, so that's funny Like would you see a dude with one short leg and be like, yeah, yeah punch me in the side of the head That's the metal side. I don't care like that's funny. Yeah, that is really funny

Yeah, but after that accident, it wasn't the only headed serious head injury that Fred ever had after that He tried to stick his hand up the skirt of a girl while they were both on the fire escape She pushed him off and Fred landed head first onto the concrete and that knocked him out This is my thing I don't think a rape related injury can technically add to the serial killer thing Because I think just the act of trying to rape her. I mean that's more of it But he became he was on that he was just regularly trying to rape women at this point because in his mind Right had been fused that sex equals control and domination and he's also much more aggressive now

So whatever he and he's also got his father's Wisdom of if it feels good do it just don't get caught all these things together He just if he wants a woman, he will take her. He will take whatever he wants Right never mind the fact that his many injuries made him look like a fucking like you look like Herman monster Oh, yeah, he was just slowly devolving into the monster that the creature he would become yeah He's got it. He's got a limp. He's got a plate his head his head is like a cylinder So fucked up over and over again. He probably said Yeah, hey, I don't have my leg question or I'm gonna grab your knees little girl

Like he starts doing that over and over again. It's gonna be hard for him to work in retail It's gonna be hard for him to do fun stuff. Welcome to forever 21. I'm from West It's very he didn't have a lot going for him No, he didn't and of course like many other serial killers. He was also a petty thief But what I mentioned earlier about the bizarre thing that made his family disown him at 19 He was forced out of his village in which he grew up for impregnating a 13-year-old girl And instead and of course this also shows you his fucked up way of thinking instead of responding with just guilt or remorse or anything Like that when they asked him like why the why did you do this? Why did you fuck a 13-year-old girl?

He just said doesn't everybody do it. I mean, that's how confused he was but that's really what he thought That's exactly what he thought so but this 13-year-old was outside of the family, right? Yes So the I think his parents good It's a step in the right direction I will say I suppose so for his parents Maybe they felt like he was blowing their cover Maybe he's just like what are you doing having sex with other people outside of the family? We have sex inside the family. Yeah, you know very cultish. I guess so And at his trial a doctor actually testified

That West much like John Wayne Gacy suffered from epileptic fits. Okay, that's what we saw again and again gatesy And what I actually research in this Fred West is the straight John Wayne Gacy. Yes. Yeah, he really honestly very similar careers construction worker Just no clown. That's a problem. He doesn't have that pop. He doesn't have an American Style like we have yeah, he had no style. No, he's a different character in the sideshow of serial killers That's for sure. He's a different character, but he's in the same ten as Gacy. He's the he's the Yosemite Sam Serial killers Kicking his tiny leg

That would be so Gacy doing the clown tricks and then you have Fred West just being all limpy and gimpy and then like and watch Mr. Dahmer eat a penis That'd be the best side show ever. There's one thing that a psychiatrist said who said a psychiatrist who studied Fred West he said about him that was different from other serial killers is Fred West approached the entire thing with extreme enthusiasm But with Enthusiasm and glee a lot of guys, you know, they kind of look at it as oh my this is a thing that I have to do

Right, I can't you know, but yeah, Jeffrey Dahmer was tortured John Wayne Gacy was hiding a secret Uh-huh like Ted, but I mean Ted Bundy didn't do it with enthusiasm. He was just a fucking a ripper or a maniac Well, I think by the Florida State that rampage. I think was very I would argue Enthusiastic 15 minutes for girls with a log, but yeah, what's just more like I'd say he left it all on the dance floor You could use that analogy. Yeah, Fred West he would approach it with just a glee. I think he's the only one who said woo-hoo Yeah, while he was raping somebody and speaking of glee we'll be playing the Cardiff glee club Oh March 23rd 20 15 come on out tickets go on sale Friday So after he had been disowned Fred moved back to much Markle with his aunt violet and yeah

Much Markle so did the parents of his mother just name everything after the flowers they saw They fly violet now. You're just mud because we don't find no flower. Yeah, we got daisies. We got violets We got roses. This is a Flower filled podcast. It's very yeah very floral So it was at this time that he reconnected with an old girlfriend a girl named Catherine Costello But her prostitute name was Rena Oh, nothing like up having sex with arena in an hour-long stay at a motel. Oh my god Reena, I want to marry you

Well, maybe that's what he loves about her The two married and moved to the village of Coat Bridge and Lanarkshire That's the worst names Lanarkshire, you know what also every England town sounds like a name for a sauce like a brown condiment Yeah, it sounds pretty tasty now that I think about it. So Rena. She was already five months pregnant with her first daughter Charmaine. Oh, and what a lucky daughter. She's gonna be Beautiful beautiful name Charmaine. Yeah, she was fathered by a Pakistani bus driver who skedaddled He didn't stick around. He didn't stick around. He didn't stick around. He didn't see Rena and Charmaine even a little family

I'm sorry, Rena. I never meant to I never meant to make love to you even once I was trying to finish my route Please if you could just if you could just let let me go. Let me go. I have I have nine families So Fred would actually take Charmaine as his own in addition to fathering his own child with with Rena named Anne Marie and Fred's parents This is bizarre Fred's parents thought that Charmaine that the child belonged to Fred rather than the Pakistani bus driver So when the wait what yeah wait, okay? So but that's they Fred told them that while Rena was pregnant He said like okay, she's pregnant with my baby

So when the baby came out a little brown and a half Pakistani Fred just wrote a letter to his parents told them that the child died in childbirth and to replace that child They adopted a mixed-race kid. Ah That is just it's a bad lie Well, they believed it. God, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but yeah, it seems to work There is not a single smart person involved So in Coatbridge Fred worked as an ice cream truck driver. Oh, that is creepy. Yeah, that's sort of a gate That's a little gasey-ish. Yeah

Yeah, we had an ice cream truck driver in the town that I grew up in drink buttermilk straight from the carton in the middle Of a Texas summer It was the farts must have filled that ice cream truck Oh, him just come up it's a little girl. So it's got the selling ice cream. Just been a little girl Hey, you want some skittles on there? I'll rub my pubes on it After this podcast and everything else, I don't think I can have a kid anymore like Everything's ruined. Is there anything innocent anymore? Mr. Rogers. Mr. Roger. That's it. Mr. Rogers neighborhood never be Dead Marcus. He's fucking dead. Good. He died with a clean name. He did

So is that what all life is now is it just getting out clean? I think it is. Yeah, that's all there is Henry I mean, that's all we have anymore after 70. You're guaranteed to get brought down by something. Yeah So as Fred was working as an ice cream truck driver, which gave him access to numerous teenage girls All over Coatbridge, of course, he did have an accident here This is the very first time that blood was ever on his hands He ran over and killed a four-year-old boy with his van in 1964 The the the the the accident was ruled And you know in Fred's favor

Yeah, the boy Though in Coatbridge, you can claim that he was trying to make him a speed bump And then you get off scot-free because technically you're a civil engineer then oh very good So Fred being a little paranoid decided it was time to skip town leave Coatbridge Yeah, and they went to the neighboring town Lollipop town Nope, this is right next to which is right next to boot building Nope Fred and his family their nanny and a friend of Rena's named and McFall moved to bishops cleave in

Gloucester So this it just sounds like the top of a pre-sass Yeah, the bishops cleave, but they had a nanny I mean he must have had some income coming through here with the ice cream gig and whatnot. He was a thief He was just a thief Enough to have a nanny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, thief enough to have a nanny All right. Yeah, and this was in Gloucester where they would eventually settle at 25 Cromwell Street But that's gonna come later Fred got a actually got a job at a slaughterhouse here, which this job is

Extremely important to what Fred would do later on this guy Colin Wilson wrote this book called the corpse garden He said one thing is clear that at some stage West developed a morbid obsession with corpses and blood and dismemberment Yeah, there is no evidence that he had shown any interest So any such interest so far it seems then that Fred West's sexual perversion became slowly more obsessive in the period following His marriage and the evidence suggests that necrophilia and desired immutal like corpses began during his period as a butcher I would have loved to see the interview with him going into the slaughterhouse for the job I think I was like thank God you showed up a bunch of people in business suits with like two working legs have been coming in an Interview in this entire goddamn time. I can't hire that scum. You got the metal plate. You got the limp. You're hired, Mr. West

I'm built for this joke. I'd like to see the ribs and I'll pry with them like And that's just good for morale. Yeah, can you work on three shifts? That'd be great three shifts in a row You know what also too is that you can see the direct You can see the direct line of logic to where it's like he wanted sex to be easier He you get to a point where they build a sort of superiority complex if I could take anything I want anybody I want Mm-hmm as soon as he starts beating this the slaughterhouse And he starts rubbing his dick one time on like a slab of fucking hamburger meat that they all ate in their fucking shepherds pie three weeks later

he Realized like this is the easiest way is these debt is dead people and if you don't give a fuck where your dick's going like you've Taught your dick to have sex with like ducks and shit. Yeah, you can you can fuck a corpse Oh, I would almost argue a corpse is better than having sex with a duck if you have to choose Well, it's a that's a toss-up. Oh, I want to isolate that sentence No, and I want to isolate that sentence that I want to just send it to every person you've ever worked with Oh, so Fred, you know as Henry said his the sexual demands became much more depraved much more sadistic Violent oral sex bondage sodomy. He wanted it all hours of the day or night

So Rena and her nanny having not been able to take it anymore They escaped out to Scotland, but they left the children Charmaine and Anne Marie Uh behind with Fred and Rena's 16 year old friend and McFall who had somehow become infatuated with Fred West God knows God knows weird and so the four moved into a trailer and McFall started taking care of Charmaine And Annie and Rena who was missing her children She went back to bishops cleave and she told Constable Hazel savage who will become very important later on in the story that her Husband, Hazel savage Constable Hazel savage. She told her that her husband was a sex pervert and unfit to raise the children And of course, you know, maybe not so coincidentally

There were eight sexual assaults committed in the Gloucester area by a man of Fred's description at this time How many men are of Fred's description? It's England a lot. They're very very smart It's the one guy with the metal in his head and the gimpy foot. No, but how many of them have that? They've all worked horrible factory job. Yeah, all look the same He's got it the back of his head is bigger than the front of his head. It's just you can see the steps It's like, you know those old 70s living room where you could step from the top You step like three steps down into a lower living room. Yeah, that's the movement from the back of his head It's true. He's got a horrible horrible head

But despite having a terrible head he still managed to impregnate Miss McFall in late 1966 she start med McFall started a pressure West to divorce Rina more and more over the years And so West who was cracking under the pressure murdered and McFall when she was eight months pregnant Okay, this is when it really starts to get brutal. He cut the eight month old fetus out of Ann's body He decapitated her and he removed all of her fingers and toes and her kneecaps Before burying her near the trailer park where they once lived together

She was the first one killed and the last one to be discovered, but that also fits with his original reasoning Which is he cut the fetus out? I mean number one because you can play handball with it, but number two So that when they found the body they wouldn't he would it's this weird thing again where his validation was I don't want anybody to know I was screwing around on my wife. Yeah Right because that's what they hits his daddy's rule You could do anything you want as long as nobody knows about it. Yeah as long as no one gets caught And the fingers toes and kneecaps thing that would be Fred's

Mo for almost every murders that would come afterwards. Well, he was doing a lot of fun Tim Burton type things with player pianos Just gluing them to the keys. Yeah, no, I guess the slaughterhouse kind of taught him how to pop an e-cap real quick. Yeah Yeah, perfect training. Yes, it really was And this guy is the bow Jackson of UK serial killers, right, right? Yeah, and you know at this time he's it said that he probably killed a girl named Mary Bastholm Who he kidnapped from a bus stop they used to get a lot of girls from bus stops But in Fred's mother died in February of 1968 from complications of gallbladder surgery That sent Fred to a bit of a theft spree. He didn't really know how to handle it

So he stole quite a bit that was his coping mechanism, which caused him to switch jobs with fair frequency But it was while he was employed as a delivery driver for a bakery where he would finally meet Rosemary let's how does this mean he has so many women and so many jobs? I mean it's a gap the gift again. Yeah, I just can't believe he was that charming He talked his way out of a sexual assault charge later on we'll get to Fred and Rosemary West's first big day out It is awful. It's terrible. All right, but we'll know I imagine he sees her and it's that whole like that Well, he's got two croissants around his balls like we're like playing with look at her staring at her playing with him like He's balls. Meanwhile, she's fucking sucking on a fork like it's a dick

Yeah, well Rose was born in barn staple It's a fine name barn staple. It's good. There's a barn and then maybe there was one person who had a staple once and he became the mayor We are lucky to say we are the first town to have a pig as mayor That's good. A pig as a mayor is a fantastic mayor progressive She was born on November 29th, 1953 So 12 years younger than Fred 12 years younger and this is very strange. Her mother was also named Daisy No, not the most creative naming mechanism they have over here. I suppose not But Daisy this Daisy was she suffered from severe depression and while she was pregnant with Rose

She underwent regular electroshock therapy treatments while she was pregnant with this girl that cannot be healthy for a child It can be healthy for a baby unless you want to create a super hero. It poaches the baby. Yeah And of course when Rose was born she had many problems She had a habit of rocking herself back and forth when she was put in a pram Which is what the pram prams are they called baby carriage? So if she was put in a pram without the break-on she would rock so violently That the pram would creep across the room. I think that's terrifying. Yeah, that's very scary Yeah, and as she became a little older

She only rocked her head back and forth, but she would do it for hours on end Which was the first indications that she was in her family words quote a bit slow Her nickname was dosy rosy. Well, she'd be faster if you took the break off the damn thing and As she went from a baby to a taller to a little girl She just swing her head around swing her head around for hours on it And it would just hypnotize herself into Semi-consciousness did they all did they ever think she was possessed?

No, no, they never did they just thought she's a little slow dosy rosy. Just leave her alone The technical it there's a there's a British. There's a doctor's come and look at it and they call you um She was a doidoy Doidoy doidoy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is doidoy do it. Yeah round and round and round So bill let's her father He had his own problems. He was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic He suffered from OCD. He had a life of rigidity. He was a Navy man So everything had to be exact everything had to happen on time

And if the house was just a little bit dirty if he didn't get dinner exactly when we wanted it He would have he would beat his wife and kids viciously, but rose who? Despite being dosy rosy Was still cunning when it came to men and how to manipulate how did she escape the beatings Marcus? Oh, do you really want to know Henry? How did she how did she get out of it? If everybody else is getting beat I would just assume she just kept on moving her head suit too fast for him to hit it So she pulled a she pulled a rope it though. She was roped open. No, she fucked her father Unlike that's a good story different kind of strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think the baron scene bears did that thing

He said the baron scene bears and the time when the daughter sucked up the father's penis So that the heat they wouldn't get beat for a burning dinner. I Remember that one and it really it taught me a lot of different lessons. Her name. I really wish they what's really weird Is you remember how it was all in black and white except for the red of the blood on them on the mother bear's face? Yeah, they pulled that issue. I think they pulled that one after a little Not many of those anymore not too many are left. No, well Well, both of them had regular sexual relationships with their parents unlike Fred

Who would end his you know sexual relationship with his mother presumably when he left home? roses sexual relationship with her father would continue up Until his death Well into her and Fred's relationship, and it is also said you think he was just as surprised No, he knew you'll just be like You know rose at some point you've got to leave the nest You can't keep up you gotta cut the imbecile boat cord rose believe me. I love the blowjobs You gotta leave the house every once in a while

I mean you have to have your daughter go and spread her wings and have her suck other dicks. Yeah Yeah, well, yeah, so we'll get more into what happened with them later But rose she was only 15 when she met Fred who was 27 at the time and it was like Henry said It's like the theme from a summer place started playing They locked eyes and fell love almost immediately. They did have a lot in common a surprising amount They had a huge amount and they had so much in common. It's scary. That's why you fucked your mom. That's so weird Yeah, that's one of the reasons why these people are so scary is because they have such similar backgrounds They happen to meet each other and it was just the perfect formula for an extreme

And that's another thing that that will come up later is that they had to keep topping each other They had to keep one step ahead of the other and rose especially had to keep one step ahead of Fred To keep Fred from eventually turning his murderous impulses on her But they definitely they had to up the ante constantly I'm gonna say not that difficult to stay one one step ahead of Fred He had one very very short leg and then one longer one, but I will put also this way too It's just like what that is just a very evil scenario. That is just the worst type Oh

Man, I love to hear it. Oh, yeah, so not long into the relationship Fred was sent to prison for a petty theft charge But rose she was already fully committed She left the house at the age of 16 to take care of Fred's children Charmaine and Emery and while Fred was in prison Rose gave birth to their first child Heather Although it is rumored it is very possible that Heather is actually Rose's father's child Yeah, because of the prison sentence because Fred was right in prison as you kept fucking her dad

It's yeah, yeah, yeah with that old 70s sitcom was about all in the family Some motherhood of course didn't surprisingly enough didn't come naturally To Rose West. She was quoted as saying Henry take this one Bresser for fucking not breastfeeding beautiful woman Yeah, sort of a tit job there, I guess you know and now that they had their own child Fred and Rose There was of course the matter of the other two children one of them and Marie was Fred's actual flesh and blood But Charmaine She was just the bastard of a bus driver who had no real relation to Fred or Rose

And we'll say probably the smartest one. I'm sure definitely one you The most nervous one So during the summer of 1971 Rose in a fit of rage which she was prone to to go into she took a beating on Charmaine a little too far and Ended up murdering the eight-year-old shortly before Fred was released from prison And once Fred returned he removed the fingers the toes and the kneecaps and he buried her underneath the floorboards of their house And when Rena came looking for the child in the fall of 71 Fred took action himself this time. He got Rena drunk. He strangled her

He removed the fingers and toes and kneecaps He dismembered her and buried her near his first inconvenience and McFall But the pair would soon move into their very own graveyard at the most infamous address in England 25 Cromwell Street Interviews with Fred he talks about how like he originally did not find it easy to dismember the bodies But what he would do but the way he said it's like it just sounded like a lie anyway because it was like I looked around for a way to sort of I needed to Separate the limbs and I'd look at the X and I was like, oh no way I could not I could not put an axe to a woman's body

Yeah But I had this long serrated blade that I'd used to cut chunks of ice and I thought that I could use that a woman's body mm-hmm Really weird standards cutting off the toes and the kneecaps and the fingers and then was he planting them in the ground? Just trying to make some really weird trees or something We have we have no idea what he did with them and they've never been found they've never been found We have no idea where he put him where he hit him what he eventually did with them He never when he confessed to the murders. He never once said what?

They were fought what he was doing it for why yeah, we have no clue It was just part of his ritual and but he had been doing he just would keep them in his car So after a big meal he could like pick his teeth with them I Mean I had a couple of badger paws from a badger. I'd killed hanging around a piece of wire off of my you're disgusting Right these are these rear view mirror little things that we should all remember those are red flags That's a Marcus Park's red flag moment So 25 Cromwell Street this place was

Hey, my name is Marcus. You want to see my badger paws? I'd love to not go to your house ever again No, if you were riding in my truck you saw the badger paws It was a single cab. They're right there. You can't help you couldn't help but look at him Right, I didn't date a lot in that period in high school. Oh, no, you didn't huh weird. That's weird I can't believe that Rebecca there the prettiest girl in town didn't love your badger paw collection No, her name was Michelle and she did not appreciate Oh, honey, so do you think we should just put Marcus down now or should we wait until he gets real dumb? No, I'm later honey. He's exactly like I was I was better

Anyways, this place was perfect for the West family large enough to house the seven children that rose would eventually give birth to By the way, only four of those were Fred's the other three were fathered by John's and we knew they were John's Because Rose they were brown. They were brown Rose exclusively dealt with the West Indian crowd Jamaicans You know mm-hmm Jamaicans people from Haitians Yeah, dealt exclusively in the big black fellas. She was a very elite prostitute that that's what that means She was only doing the most high-end clientele

Well, Fred was obsessed with watching her. Yeah, that was the whole thing. I said he was upset because he built that roses room Mm-hmm, which was which is really fucked up They were talking about the police investigation when they found it because when they first he kept the way you when he basically Fred confessed Well, we'll get into when he confessed to a bunch of these murders He they all said it was because of like manslaughter and it was because he had gotten heated It was a crime of passion when they showed up and they saw this room was had like a padded bed on the floor or Weird for sound and video. They're like what the fuck is going on here

And then they found stacks of videotapes of Rose having sex with with John Oh, it was all wired with sound and video. Yeah, and it had and had peepholes in different walls So Fred could look in and watch her fucking the dudes because he was Obsessed with watching a Jamaican dude just stuff or fucking holes, huh? It's like that movie porkies Yeah, and all the kids watch the girls in the shower. It's a lot like porkies except for all the rape. Yeah, yeah Yeah, porkies was just full of fun pranks. Porkies was a part of rape culture. So think about that hashtag it oh And there was also Roses room courts where she took all the John's there was a red light outside

So her children knew that her mother was quote-unquote working But it would be the basement that Fred would turn most of his attention to and he even once joked to a neighbor That he was soundproofing the basement to turn it into his own private torture chamber into a torture chamber I'm not joking He is funny real. This is real. I am doing it. That is down here Great. Oh my god British humor. We were talking yesterday

Yeah with the book with the tour manager for our UK tour and then we're talking about Jimmy save ill Savile I'm not changing it for nobody Talking about he how he used to just joke about having sex with underage girls and they would just laugh and laugh and be like That is just classic comedy. Yeah, that's classic Savile. He's just amazing And it's I guess it's the same kind of deadpan humor that made people right off West when he would openly joke about murdering people right and because he locally it's like he was they were known as like a nice But eccentric couple. Yeah, that's what everyone was saying like so Can you imagine what the eccentric was was basically just him just being like it's not like I'm gonna ripa

And then they're like waiting for the laugh on the other end, right? And it's like I don't like your catchphrase Fred, but So the first victim to see the inside was Fred and roses eight of Fred's eight-year-old daughter And Marie from his first marriage he and Rose undressed her and told her that she was lucky that she had such caring parents Who were making sure that when she got married she would be able to satisfy her husband? Emery's hands were tied behind her and a gag was put in her mouth Then while Rose held the girl down her father raped her the pain was so severe that the girl could not go to school for several days snow day

God help me Can you remember the movies snow day? Oh, yeah, I remember the scene in it. Yeah If it was like that instead, that would be better for her Yeah, that would be a better life instead of the decade of rape and torture that she would endure at 25 Cromwell Street It's fine. It turns out she became a singing sensation known as Kesha And so in their very first baby Sitter yeah now in November of 1972 we've got Caroline Owens the first babysitter that the the West would Torture torture torture. They didn't actually kill this one. This was their practice run

Let's say this is that this was their dry run They picked up 17 year old Carolyn Owens while hitchhiking. She was hitchhiking from Tewkesbury to her home in Senderford and she was picked up by Fred and Rose who told her While she was driving the coincidence like hey, we're looking for a nanny for our three kids. We just had a kid Her name is Mae West Which that's terrible And so Carolyn who had strangely enough dreamed of becoming a nanny all in past years She wanted interpin also wanted independence from family

She accepted and moved in with the West almost immediately and of course the first sign that something was weird She saw this steady stream of men coming and going from Rose's bedroom, but Rose said oh, no, it's fine I'm just a masseuse, but the problem is is that you could never take someone's word that they're a masseuse if they're like I'm a masseuse wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink wink It was really weird that she then she told me she was a masseuse and she winked for seven minutes Another weird thing Fred would offer her abortions on demand Yeah, say that not only was he extremely well-equipped to do so But other women in which he to perform this service were so impressed with his abortion skills

That they repaid him with sexual favors. Nothing makes a woman more excited for sex than just having an abortion Yeah, it's I mean that's sort of like hmm I'm gonna repay you with the exact same thing that got me into this mess the big thing too But then again, they kept putting she was kind of like They didn't really get scared by this talk because he had a really weird sense of humor This is these were the jokes. I guess that's the problem is that they all thought that these were jokes. Yeah, he was just actually an Open psychopath. Yeah, he even casually mentioned that her his eight-year-old daughter Annemarie had just lost her virginity Yeah, just casually mentioned that and but what made her eventually run the first time

Was that he propositioned her for sex? He said that her and wrote him and Rose were a part of a sex circle with other men Mm-hmm, and so he's like, yeah, come on. Why don't you join it? And so she left the house for some reason That was the last straw for but two months later the West found her at a bus stop Rose apologized for her husband's crude behavior and Carolyn climbed right back into the fucking car and Went with the West right right and minutes later minutes after she got into the car Uh Fred of course proposition her for sex again, and when she refused he said Go on Rose have a feel and see if she's wet

Yeah, and Rose pushed her hand down into Carolyn's crotch the two started fighting Fred pulled over to the side of the road punched Carolyn until she was unconscious And when Carolyn woke up her hands were tied behind her back with her scarf Her mouth was covered with packing tape and she was taken into 25 Cromwell Street where she would be sexually and Psychologically abused for the next 12 hours now This is something this is his MO that he will do with each one of these victims When they say when they recovered a lot of these victims even after years of like years of decomposition They would find the remnants of packing tape from when he would wrap it all around their heads

But later on he would stick tubes up their nose so they could breathe through the packing tape Yeah, they beat her with a belt and Rose Abused her as Fred took Rose from behind Fred told her that if she didn't do what she wanted he said I'll keep you in the cellar and let my black friends have you and when we're finished We'll kill you and bury under the paving stones of Gloucester, so he really used her racism against her No, not the black friends anything but the black friends, but after Rose left Let this girl alone with Fred Fred started crying and told her that if she promised to not tell anybody

Keep it our little secret he'd let her go so her this girl Carolyn terrified She actually promised to return to become their nanny again. It's like oh, yeah by guns Let's put that by guns be my water under the bridge But she only went to the police after her mother saw the bruises and even though Fred and Rose have both Played guilty to sexual assault and kidnapping Carolyn was too frightened to testify so the two were only fine. They were caught with this They were caught dead to fucking rights right with all this They were fined fifty dollars each for indecent assault and were let loose upon the world once you know

And this is also again. We're gonna see this a lot too word. They every time they get caught. They're like yeah, we did it Yeah And what's a decent assault in decent? No, what's decent? What's a decent one just using your fist man? That's pretty decent assault. That's a twenty five dollars fine stand up boxing Or it's it's killing a Japanese person during World War two right right So of course this taught him two lessons one It's possible to do horrible things and get away with it and two It's best to not risk

Anything it's best to not risk it. They want these sexual perversions. They want to torture women They love doing it, but they knew that if they didn't kill these women then this sort of thing was gonna happen Again and again and again, so this is when the full-on Murder torture begins with the completion of the cellar. Oh the cellar. It's a scary place Oh, yeah in the cellar in Fred and Rose's torture cellar victims were hung up bound stripped and gagged for long periods of time Again, we're seeing slaughterhouse techniques Mm-hmm in this whole thing because he fitted that beam across the cellars of ceiling and he would screw hooks into it And he hung girls from the beam for days and then they would just mummify there

This is when he's in cool. This is when it's gonna get rough I'll go ahead and give you a warning prepare yourself because this is when he gets real fucking rough Fred's instruments of murder they came from the same toolbox he used every day in his day job as a construction worker He used hammers to use knives use screwdrivers tape And of course he almost certainly indulged in necrophilia with the victims And of course all the fingers toes and kneecaps were removed They never discovered any of these as I said earlier And of course after they had their fun with the bodies the bodies would have to be disposed of

And this is a quote from professor Bernard Knight who wrote a book about Fred and Mary West or Fred and Rose West He said the bodies had been dismembered all the heads had been taken off Well, they were small cuts on the vertebrae usually in the same place on the necks all the legs had been taken off at the hip They were very little cut mocks around the head of the thigh bones. They're pretty well done. I think pretty well done Yep, that is a direct quote. They were pretty well done. I think well, I think you're right So when the cellar filled up with bodies and then god, this is so disturbing when the cellar filled up with bodies Fred poured concrete over the floor and converted the room into a bedroom for his kids Well, that's fine because kids love to play with ghosts and learn anything from movies

So let's go through the victims here at least the known victims Caroline Cooper. She was killed in 1973. She was strangled and dismembered tortured for days Lucy Partington. She was kidnapped on her way to visit a disabled friend and was tortured for a week before she was finally killed in 1974 Therese Seigenthaler. She was kidnapped while hitchhiking to Ireland. She was killed Shirley Hubbard was also killed in 1974 she was the one when they recovered her head the head was completely covered in tape with only a straw poking out for her to breathe through The murders also included lodgers that stayed at the house such as Juanita, Mary, and Mott who was killed in 1975 and Shirley and Robinson who was actually a prostitute for the West until she became pregnant with Fred's child Tried to replace Rose in the power relationship and Rose of course having none of that

Brudely murdered her of course the basin was full so at some point it just became a really really bad air B&B Yeah, yes. Yeah, and so the basin was full so Fred buried her in the rear garden After dismembering both her and her unborn child his own flesh and blood He had done this twice now where he had gotten a woman pregnant He killed her cut the cut the stomach open and dismembered the baby as well And there should be there should be some sort of movie about Rose West versus Shirley and Robinson in that house Where it's like because she saw herself she was like I could be the kingpin of this family And so it's like Shirley and Robinson was like I get to be in charge of this murder family

And then Rose West is like you have to beat me in order to be in charge, right? Well, you know John Candy would have been great in the role as Fred West in that What are you doing? Good God, he's too innocent for such a preferred role It doesn't seem like a John Candy movie He's your Fred West was like 5-8 or something I think it's Paul Giamatti Loosely based on it

Yeah, maybe if you really want to make it lighthearted and funny with a good message at the end Maybe John Candy What are you bringing candy up for? What? Maybe I shouldn't rape him Last sentence of the movie Oh, Uncle West So Fred and Rose's last confirmed sexually motivated murder would be Allison Chambers in 1975 That's the last one that we know of in the house itself

Because the cellar was full, the garden was full There was no more room to put bodies anywhere So it's probable that the West continued on their murder spree for the next 19 years Jesus Christ Allison Chambers was the last one found in 1975 They were caught in 1992 Oh my, yeah, they were definitely killing They wouldn't have stopped

That's what they said when they found him too and they were going through like basically They'll talk about him later on, but they alluded to not only were there bodies at the house And there were bodies by this lake There was a farm plot that he may have bought that could possibly have dozens of bodies He told his son that there were 20 or more women buried there But it's also likely that Fred committed a bunch of murders in the early 60s who'd live in Glasgow Where we'll be playing at the Glasgow Comedy Festival on April 25th, I believe You can get your tickets at gigsandtours.com

I hope we find some bones I think we will if we go looking But during his time there, four young girls who matched Fred West's criteria all disappeared And he had rented a garden plot while living in Glasgow But by the time the crimes came to light, the plot had been buried under Junction 22 of the M8 highway And of course they can't shut down the M8 to go looking for some girls So they will forever be under M8 Well what a fun way to be I guess

Kind of got cars driving all over you and you're dead Part of the hubbub of everyday life in Scotland Yeah, alright So in 1986 Fred and Rose's daughter Heather told a friend about the abuse that both she and her sister Emery Had endured over a decade or longer And it was some of the most And the abuse that they visited upon their daughters was fucking horrific He viewed them as basically he was trying to raise prostitutes for their prostitute ring

And he viewed them as sexual toys to be developed And bring them in during the torture sessions of the girls that they killed Sure Yeah, it's bad Well it's the same thing his parents did with him to some degree It's the family business it seems like So the friend that Heather had confided in She told her parents who were friends of the West

And of course at this time the walls started to close in around Fred and Rose They started to see their perfect fucking murder sex utopia coming to an end But it was most likely Rose who murdered her daughter Who was as I said earlier probably the product of Rose's incestuous relationship with her father And Fred looking to fit one more body into the family plot Enlisted his son Steven to help him dig the hole under the guise of building a new patio Where he buried his daughter's dismembered corpse Marcus as a child you like to dig holes

It was my favorite Isn't that interesting moving on Red flag another Marcus Parks Red flag Also and so that's what I do then throughout their childhood There was I guess a quote unquote family joke Where every single time they would do something wrong Fred would threaten you better stop doing that

Or you're gonna end up under the patio like your sister Heather Yeah Although he had initially told him oh no she's gone to work in Devon You'll never see her again Tough job yeah Real tough job 24 seven days a week job Yeah exactly

24 hours seven days So finally in fucking May of 1992 after decades of operating West he raped a friend of his daughters And when the girl told a friend at the school police finally came to investigate 25 Cromwell Street And the friends they went to the police and the case was assigned to Detective Constable Hazel Savage Who you will remember from Rena making the complaint That Fred was a sexual deviant 20 years before

Yeah And she remembered all the stories that Rena had told her about Also another build up too was that social services started trying to figure out where Heather was Yeah Heather was looking basically Heather had been missing for school for seven years And finally For seven years Yeah seven years yeah

And they started like legitimately were like hey where's Heather Her desk is there Yeah So on August 6 1992 police arrived at 25 Cromwell Street with a search warrant to look for pornography and evidence of child abuse They found bondage masks and suits a large assortment of dildos and vibrators And of course an embarrassing amount of pornography Oh god He was just looking at my searches

Just read in the face wasn't he I mean it was piles and piles of magazines And Fred and they were also really into taking pictures of Rose and sending them into swingers magazines To get people to you know comment on the photos Which means people jacked off to Rose West while she was murdering and raping a bunch of kids in her house That is absolutely true So they arrested Rose for assisting in the rape of a minor and Fred was arrested for rape and sodomy of a minor But the case collapsed again when two witnesses refused to testify

But Detective Constable Hazel Savage had caught wind of the strange disappearance of Heather West Because not only was she gone for seven years But rumors were going around town that Fred was always making this joke It was like oh if you fuck up you're gonna end up under the patio like Heather So Detective Hazel Savage pursued the case for another two years Before she finally got enough evidence to produce a search warrant for 25 Cromwell Street And Heather's remains were found right in the hole The evidence should have began to dug seven years earlier

The evidence should have began and ended with does he walk with a limp oh he does okay let's charge him Well so and basically as soon as they found these bodies Fred West confessed to everything He tried to keep his wife out of it because he didn't want her to get arrested Yeah And so he confessed to everything he said he did it he basically he did three He said I killed three people they're all over the patio But then he began this thing where he would tell them that ghosts would talk to him And so he created this whole fantasy about like first he was like

I killed her because she like I accidentally killed her He's like my hands he's like my hands are so strong he's like I could pull I don't know what a spanner is He's like I could use I could pull off three lug nuts without a spanner with my own hands So it's like I grabbed her and I accidentally snapped her neck And then he started saying oh no she's out she's working for a drug dealer in Devin right And then he started saying no I talked to ghosts So the ghost or his last resort yeah He says I talked to ghosts and so he said that the three people haunted him

And so he wanted to get off his chest and then when they were looking for more bodies When they realized like there's nothing there were certain fine bits of bone underneath the patio They're like to start looking for more bodies we're going to start shifting down to the basement He would what they would do to have him he would do this ruse they were like okay We'll we'll believe you talk to ghosts so they would bring him down in the basement with the medium And he would walk the basement with his hands out and being like it's like tell us where the ghosts are talking to you Where the bodies are and he would be like that I see one here they're spinning around me They're spinning around it's so dumb so weird

Yeah yeah yeah that's very strange but Fred he would eventually confess to two nine other murders After the bodies were found he never confessed officially to any other murders others And strangely enough he always denied the one murder that he denied was Annie McFall His very first murder the pregnant woman the woman that you got pregnant That was the only one that he maintained he's like nope didn't kill her I killed everybody else I killed Rena I killed all of I killed Charmaine I killed all of the girls But I didn't kill McFall Alright but you see that I mean you always see this in the serial killer cases where people that are charged except for you know people like

Dommer but they've been charged with multiple crimes and even though it's very obvious that they're all of the murders are Directly linked to them like Chick-A-Tillo One of them it's always like one of them is one that they feel extremely guilty Exactly that's what I was just gonna say it's the only one that matters yeah he has to deny it to himself Because he's still a he's still a superhero in his own mind Yeah so Fred now that he knew his life would be over he knew that there was no more sex There was no more perversion there was no more torture Hung himself in his cell while awaiting trial on New Year's Day 1995

While with a knotted bed sheet while awaiting trial in Birmingham Which we will be appearing at in our last podcast on the left live for In March tickets go on sale on Friday gigsandtours.com And Fred had four only four mourners and were actually I wouldn't say only he had four people Yeah I was gonna say only four I can't believe it Yeah four people came to a service and the service lasted less than five minutes They cremated him and then scattered his ashes in the countryside of Gloucester And Rose West still alive to this day

Still alive and have you heard about this thing how she's grown out her mustache Yeah it looks beautiful She shaved her head this is not a joke she shaved her head and grown out her mustache And that she sits alone all day and if anybody tries to talk to her she goes That's about right Yep she was eventually charged with the ten murderers but only after Fred had died If Fred had gone to trial I don't know if Rose West would have ever been charged with any of the murderers But they needed somebody they need somebody to hang for this

All the confessions he only blamed himself he said that she had nothing to do with it Yeah yeah he did but yeah she eventually took all the blame for it She lives at top security low Newton jail in Durham And she enjoys playing Monopoly, embroidery, cooking and shopping from catalogs I want Park Place because it's got a big basement Weird Alright everyone well that's Fred and Rose West Jesus what a demented couple But again a spiritual connection no doubt they have

Truly in love That's how you know if somebody loves you if they're willing to cop to twelve murderers Turn them in if you're with the guy and he's like let's go kill that woman and let's rape her and kill her in the basement Just turn him right in he's don't even bother playing with it he'll just do that to you too Alright everyone let's do a Hail Satan Hail Satan And Hail again I'll give him a goose to Lations out there I'm gonna say a hail yourselves and I mean

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