Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 168: JonBenét Ramsey Part II - The Last Bulb on the Christmas Tree

Episode Date: April 1, 2015

The most bizarre conspiracy theories get a little light on the second part of our JonBenét Ramsey series as we cover her connections to 9/11, Satanic ritual abuse, and MK Ultra, as well as the reason...s why the Ramsey's almost certainly didn't kill her.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 There's no place to escape to. This is the last hot ass. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Lady, come and find me, lady. Here's a swollen little man with a... He's got an empty ring finger.
Starting point is 00:00:29 Ladies. I just pictured like a finger with no bone, just like skin. Just flop and hangs over. We'll put a ring on the finger of the man in the corner named Henry. Oh, the luckiest lady in all of Oklahoma. Ladies, come squat on the face of dear old Henry. All right, the song is no longer romantic, Henry. That's just a sexual demand.
Starting point is 00:00:53 All right, welcome to the show, everyone. That's Marcus Parks. I'm Ben Kissel, Henry Zebrowski. You mean to tell me that, what's his name? Who was the old-timey crooner? Bing Crosby. Bing Crosby, sure. Every one of his songs were innocent, but they were just about paying a young girl to squat in his face oh yeah yeah yeah but
Starting point is 00:01:09 that came out later that's all he wanted that's all he wanted yeah he didn't put that into the lyrics use my face as a stool little girl all right well i guess now speaking of little girls we're on to john bonet Ramsey Part 2. But little girl was different back in the day. Back in the 50s, you called every woman a little girl in order to make them feel small and then you more powerful. Because they were actually really big and you had, well, no power really. Bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo. Show me them tiny little breasts, little girl.
Starting point is 00:01:41 All right. Well, that might. Okay. Marcus. Yay, yay, yaycus yeah yeah where are we picking up last week we went through you know we went through the timeline of the murder we went through the bungled uh actual day of investigation the bungled crime scene uh and we also went through the ransom note and if i didn't know any better i'd say these police were being a bit of a
Starting point is 00:02:01 clan of bumble buns they were so let let's continue with some of the evidence. JonBenet's body itself. The results of the autopsy reveal that she was killed by strangulation and a skull fracture. A grot made from a length of tweed cord and the broken handle of a paintbrush. The paintbrush, by the way, was Patsy Ramsey's paintbrush, which was in the basement.
Starting point is 00:02:27 That had been used to strangle her, and her skull had suffered severe blunt force trauma. Was the paintbrush broken on JonBenet, or did they just have a random broken paintbrush handle lying around? I guess they had a random broken paintbrush. I heard that Patsy Ramsey did a series of sort of, by the numbers, but technically skillful landscapes. And she tried to get into art school, but she couldn't get in, so she broke it in fury.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Not unlike the story of a young Adolf Hitler. So the official cause of death was asphyxiation due to strangulation associated with cranioscerebral trauma. What they're saying is what seems to be the natural timeline of her death is that she was tased in her bed. She was moved to the basement. She was getting strangled. She woke up in the process of being strangled. She screamed, and then he bashed her head in.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying he. I don't mean to be sexist. It could have been a lady. Yeah, it could have been a family dog, for all we know. So as far as the sexual abuse goes, there was no evidence of conventional rape, meaning
Starting point is 00:03:32 there was no penis involved. Okay. Well, this girl has been, like we discussed on the last episode, for all intents and purposes, sexually abused throughout her entire life, even if she didn't realize it was happening. She was going to realize it at 16 when she tastes her first uh needle of heroin yeah yeah but it was no conventional run of the mill rape oh yeah nothing no nothing inside the box it was it was
Starting point is 00:03:55 not no no it's the autopsy had phrases like chronic inflammation and epithelial erosion concern. Dude, do you know how much I read? Epithelial. Do you know how much I read about a little girl's vagina during the course of this research? It was awful. Marcus, tell us exactly how much, speak into the microphone clearly, we'll isolate the footage and it'll never work in this town again. It was in the pursuit of the truth. Yes, yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:04:24 And how many times I find myself in the pursuit of the truth just knuckles deep in the little girl's vagina. It was medical information. Right, right. It was autopsy reports. And by the way, the autopsy report had redacted information in it. Yeah, because it was too fucking gross for people to handle. So Dr. Richard Krugman, a child abuse specialist, he noted that a vaginal abrasion is a sign of trauma,
Starting point is 00:04:49 but not a sign of sexual abuse necessarily. The Krugs is laying it down. That's right. Well, I mean, these sorts of inflammations, you got to remember this little girl was wearing tights all the time. And that is from the medical examiners And that is from the medical examiners. I'm just going to say. That is from some medical examiners.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Let's just do, okay, but like behind the scenes talk, guys. So when we're talking about the naked girl's body and the trauma about her vagina and stuff, less jokey. Less jokey. Let's get through it and then we'll make jokes about other things. I wasn't making any jokes. Okay, okay. That's truth.
Starting point is 00:05:23 That is actual truth. The sorts of costumes that she wore, the sorts of materials that were involved in those costumes, they could have actually caused the damage that they found on this little girl. So this is a statement from Dr. Richard Gardner about the
Starting point is 00:05:39 inflammation and abuse. There are doctors, even pediatricians, who claim that any inflammation of a little girl's vulva is a manifestation of and abuse. There are doctors, even pediatricians, who claim that any inflammation of a little girl's vulva is a manifestation of sex abuse. Most, however, note that this is an extremely common finding in kidney soil from sweat, tight pants, certain kinds of soap, and the occasional mild rubbing,
Starting point is 00:06:02 sometimes a respiratory activity of the normal girl. After that, he calls his wife and requests veal for dinner because he wants some more young meat. Well, a panel of pediatric experts from around the country reached a major conclusion in the investigation. They reached the conclusion that she had suffered vaginal trauma prior to the day she was killed. Some people do say that the evidence points towards prior and prolonged sexual abuse. And this points towards the parents in terms of, because again, this is what we were looking for. We said before last week was that, you know, 92% of child crimes, child murders that happen
Starting point is 00:06:44 within the home. Normally the parents did it, but 100% of the time that has to have a history of sexual or physical abuse. It could have also been the boy Burke. It could have also been the boy Burke. We don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who should have gotten the Kemper treatment of being chained away from his sister because he's too busy fiddling about, talking about how his sister, she's just like, oh, John Bernanke, man, my sister, she'd be a great wife. Who knows, man? These wealthy families are insane if we've learned nothing from the jinx, the Mr. Robert
Starting point is 00:07:12 Durst story. Yes. He's innocent. Let him go. Free Robert Durst. I wish we could cover it, but it's been covered. So the bungling of the BPD does not end with the crime scene. It continues.
Starting point is 00:07:27 John Eller, the man in charge of the case, had never been in charge of a homicide investigation prior to this. And his squad of six detectives, young, inexperienced, no experience on homicide cases either. And John Eller also had an extreme distaste for the DA, who was a liberal progressive. Oh, good, so they all can't work together. Great. Exactly. So it sounds like they went through, they had the mirage of an actual investigation.
Starting point is 00:07:56 It's sort of like when you're a college football elite team like Alabama. The first game or one of the first games of the season, they'll just play a total crap school. Yeah. And they know they're going to win, but technically they're both playing football, but they set themselves up to win. There was no way this case was going to get solved.
Starting point is 00:08:09 I feel like Orr was a highly ambitious commissioner who was like, I'm going to put together a ragtag team of some of the, yeah, they may be rough around the edges, but I think they're going to pull this through. But the problem is that the bad news bears doesn't actually work. That technique never works. You should never make detected decisions while you're watching the Mighty Ducks. Because they're not going to turn out to be Danny Tamberelli
Starting point is 00:08:34 and they're going to suck in real life. No, no, no. Listen to me. Yeah, I know he can barely see and he barely passed criminal justice school, but I'll tell you when he puts up that triple juke in the final round when they're finally justice school, but I'll tell you, when he puts up that triple juke in the final round, when they're finally, I can't even tell you the term, when the hockey game is all tippity
Starting point is 00:08:53 tied up and he comes in and he shows up and you'll see. You'll see who will find that rapist. Why is the detective leading a group of officers into what looks to be a flying V? Why are they coming into our house like that? Adding to the suspicion against the Ramseys, the Ramseys immediately lawyered up. Immediately. And then they hired their own team of private investigators, profilers, forensic analysts, and a PR company. So the harder that the Ramseys tried to push the investigation away from them, the BPD assumed they were more convinced of the Ramseys' guilt.
Starting point is 00:09:31 And this is a situation of wealth not translating to normal society. Why would you get a PR firm? PR firms are usually when you come out with a new fragrance and you want to make sure people love it. And the lawyer up thing, it makes all the sense in the world, but it looks really bizarre to people who don't even have that as an option. This is a corporate family. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:49 It works for one of the most intense, it's like, basically they have the ear of Lockheed Martin. They have the ear of all these like very like high level. Or do they have the ear of Lockheed Martin? Yeah. I mean, I don't know, but they're dealing with these cladestine like high level military corporations. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:04 They're getting a lot of advice from them. And they're dealing with these clandestine, like, high-level military corporations. Right. They're getting a lot of advice from them. And they're basically saying, like, cover yourself on all sides because literally, again, you look at the previous evidence we have about John Ramsey, you're suspicious as fuck. And that plays into everything, all of their, what seemingly is bizarre behavior for us, for them. I mean, I guess if you're John Ramsey, you've seen death many times and a lot of death from children if you've worked for Lockheed Martin. You're literally the Grim Reaper. Seriously. if you're John Ramsey, you've seen death many times and a lot of death from children if you've worked for Lockheed Martin.
Starting point is 00:10:27 You're literally the Grim Reaper. Seriously. So, of course, it's at this point that the tabloids descend. And man, if you were alive in 1997 and went to a supermarket, John Bonet Ramsey's face was there staring at you in the checkout. It's just the blonde hair, the pink dress, the big blue eyes. supermarket, JonBenet Ramsey's face was there staring at you in the checkout. It's just the blonde hair, the pink dress, the big blue eyes. It's a perfect, perfect picture of a victim. And this tabloid news cycle was endless every day.
Starting point is 00:10:57 I mean, it was years. And you talk to people who worked for those tabloid newspapers at the time, and the editors would tell them, they would say like, okay, now we're going to go for JonBenet. We're going to start off with the parents. The parents did it. And then after a little while, they were like, okay, now we're going to go for the son. The son did it. This 10-year-old boy killed his sister out of jealousy.
Starting point is 00:11:17 At one point, Batboy did it. I mean, it was insane. Did Batboy die? I don't know if Batboy was ever real. I don't know. Is imagination real? Is magic real? No. Is reality? Are we just not a group of perceptions? Yes, yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:11:34 So it was just a little more than a year since the O.J. Simpson trial ended and of course the tabloids were fresh out of material. JonBenet Ramsey was fucking perfect. And they were freshly aware of what the death of a beautiful white person would do for their readers. What a spicy meatball for them.
Starting point is 00:11:54 It's crazy because you know for a fact, as soon as they found out about this, these heads of the tabloids, the editors, they were happy. You have to be happy. Oh, wait a second. Let me look at this. Oh, so she's been raped and murdered? That's awesome. That's great.
Starting point is 00:12:08 That's great. So the DA, he had, of course, no experience dealing with national media. Right. So he tried to deal with the tabloids in the same way that he dealt with the local press, with the Boulder Daily Camera. Did not work. And Bill James makes a great comparison here. He said that it's the difference between dealing with a house cat and a tiger.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Right, right, right. You can't just pet a tiger and hope it calms down. Yeah, these are professional snoopers that are now crawling fist deep into this case. They're asking you questions to get their answers that they want to have. I mean, he was in way over his head. Yeah. And so it was national attention. So both the police department and the DA's office were under an enormous amount of pressure,
Starting point is 00:12:56 unimaginable pressure. And because of this, the DA tried to control the narrative. In order to control the narrative, he had to have control over the police department who hated him. And in fact at one point, the DA's office brought in their own investigators and the police in turn brought in their own attorneys.
Starting point is 00:13:15 So they're not even talking to each other at all. What a fucking, it's a clusterfuck of bullshit. Like all this litigious red tape all brought in and it's like and it comes down to it a little girl was raped and murdered uh in deeply cold blood you know i mean a horrible murder and everybody for like forgot about her but it wasn't all again to present the illusion like an investigation was going on it's possible you know if they just keep everything messy keep
Starting point is 00:13:44 everything cluttered, they're technically working every day, but they're doing nothing. It's like what I used to do. It's like what I used to do when I worked at Taco Bell. You know what I did? A lot of time in the freezer. A lot of time wiping down areas that were already clean. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Look like I'm working. And then I eat all the burritos. When you work at a temp agency, a piece of advice they got was walk around with a file folder in your hand and go like, do a lot of exasperated sighs. Put your hands up. Yeah, exactly. And you bring up a real good point here is that the tabloid press covered this every single day.
Starting point is 00:14:17 And at the end of the day, this was the brutal rape and murder of a six-year-old child who had her head bashed in, who was strangled. Oh, absolutely. And this was talked about, but the murder wasn't talked about at all. It was the investigation. It was the parents. We've talked about this before. When we do go on like CNN or whatever, one of these networks, and they try to demonize
Starting point is 00:14:37 us for discussing these true crime things and making light of them, we're so much more respectful than the mainstream media was. Again, with the O.J. Simpson trial, we cover that in depth, how pizza sales went through the roof. If you're the CEO of Domino's, you're like, oh, we have to get another black athlete to kill his ex-wife and her white boyfriend. We must have it happen. And I will
Starting point is 00:14:56 always put the conspiracy angle on it. It's like the government loves nothing more than a story like this to get real messy. Because then you can attach, it's like now when the conspiracy theories start getting attached to what we're going to go to, it's so easy to just sort of like be like, oh, look at all these crazy people, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, we are literally sitting on what is possibly an extension of a gigantic
Starting point is 00:15:17 pedophile ring that is connected to various world governments as a secret keeping organization that I know for a fact is real. I guarantee you one of those guys in the audience watching JonBenet dance was Jeffrey Epstein, who was just waiting until she was 10. And then he was going to take her on Air Fuck One, and Bill was going to meet her, and the whole damn thing was going to go down. Yeah. I mean, if we're learning anything right now from what's going on in the UK,
Starting point is 00:15:44 it's fucking real. It is real. It is concrete. It's happening all the time. So let's get back to the case as it is. So this is an analysis from Bill James. He really sets it out in common sense terms. This is the case against the Ramseys being the culprits in this case.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Patsy, not the brightest bulb in the fucking drawer. What are you talking about? She's a beauty queen. I thought you have to be a genius to be a beauty queen. How would you solve world hunger? I think that burritos are big enough to share. Look at her tits, though. If you look at her tits, she's really smart.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Okay, and so her handwriting, if. If you look at her tits, she's really smart. And it's okay. And so her handwriting, her handwriting, if anyone out of the two wrote the note, it would be Patsy because the handwriting matches. The literary talent that this woman would have had to have to write this note would have been astounding, especially writing it only moments after bludgeoning her fucking daughter to death or moments after her husband had bludgeoning her fucking daughter to death or moments after her husband had bludgeoned her daughter to death. Well, so, you know, you've ever been in the afterglow of some good sex and you just sit
Starting point is 00:16:50 there and you're calm, cool. You could write a thousand poems. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the afterglow of good sex is like, that's my great, like, that's meditation time for me. It's, you know, it's sex magic. Yeah, it's like what William Shakespeare did, but she murdered her daughter and then wrote a long note there about forgetting money. It's like a William Shakespeare did, but she murdered her daughter and then wrote a long note there about forgetting money.
Starting point is 00:17:06 It's like a little sonnet, kind of. Second of all, there were much better places to hide this body. I mean, they lived at the foot of—they were in Boulder, Colorado. There are mountains everywhere. There are national parks. There are hundreds of good places to hide this body, especially if they're trying to fake a ransom note. Yeah, even Robert Durst knew after accidentally murdering that man that lived next door to him, he knew that he had to viscerally fucking pull the head off that body in order to hide the identification.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Even he knew. Yes. Yeah, even he knew. But the Ramseys apparently did not know. So they decided after the accidental sex game gone wrong theory is true, then that means that after Ramsey killed his daughter in a sex game gone wrong, his first thought was like, well, you know, ransom note. Ransom note.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Write a fake ransom note. You know what's funny, Patsy, is that I always wanted to write a ransom note. Yeah. But exactly, if the end result wanted to write a ransom note. Yeah. But exactly, if the end result was to rape your daughter and murder her, right, if that's what the part of the satanic ritual was supposed to be, to murder her, I imagine there would also be a plan to deal with the body. Yeah, absolutely. Because you don't want to, because this is too heavy.
Starting point is 00:18:19 There's too much heat here. If you're going to be doing it in some sort of ritual abuse sort of way, or even in a pedophile ring sort of way. Say this is some sort of weird initiation that he had harvey kytel is going to show up with the cleanup crew and they're going to get rid of it yeah third they left no evidence behind whatsoever that would point to either one of them the murder weapon was never found and the only thing that could have been a murder weapon, a baseball bat that was leaned against the house outside, tested negative for any forensic evidence whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:18:50 Fourth, the DNA that was found underneath JonBenet's fingernails and on her underwear matched no members of the Ramsey family. But, the DNA does come with a caveat. The DNA that they got off the body was known as touch dna
Starting point is 00:19:07 which is notoriously hard to collect and it can be contaminated very quickly and we've got the fucking bpd who couldn't even secure a crime scene collecting this dna you had three people handling the corpse right after they it was discovered without any sort of no crime science there to look at it. Oh, yeah, they were doing whatever. They were probably cleaning her hands, being like, I don't want her to be buried with her hands all messy. And it's crazy. It doesn't seem like that long ago. But 96, OJ was really one of the first major trials to use DNA.
Starting point is 00:19:38 And actually, they were skeptical of it. Yeah. So people were still kind of they didn't know exactly what the science was yet. Yeah, they really had no idea now concerning the scream at 2 a.m that the neighbor heard if you remember we mentioned that on the timeline of the first episode the world's worst neighbor is that what this is oh yeah she was just busy i mean come on she was in the middle of a frazier marathon right you can't be leaving it should be like will miles get daph get Daphne. I won't see it if I leave right now. I think she was more like, when's Miles going to come out?
Starting point is 00:20:08 But then he never did. He never did. Nah, man, he loved that pussy. Yeah, he talked about it just like he did too. Well, about the scream, remember that the Ramsey's house was four stories high. They were in the basement. There were three stories between the murder scene and the Ramseys' bedroom. They actually did audio
Starting point is 00:20:27 tests that revealed that the Ramseys could not hear the screams. Like Ace Ventura. Yeah. Gotta bring in Ace Ventura. That's also a problem. Yeah, when they buy the house and John Ramsey, do you come down and be like, huh, alright, well, great, yes, three-fourths.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Can you take me down to the basement? Hey, Rodney, can you run up there? I just want to see if it's a good murdering basement. Did you hear that? Can't hear it? I'm going to murder my daughter in here. Can you hear that, Rodney? Not a word, John Ramsey.
Starting point is 00:21:00 All right. So the audio test revealed that while the Ramseys couldn't hear the scream, the neighbor could hear the scream just fine because there was a window leading out. There was a metal grate that she could have heard it. The acoustics could have traveled up to where the neighbor was. Right. Now, as far as the footprints, they make a big deal of saying that there was snow outside and that there were no footprints in the snow.
Starting point is 00:21:27 First of all, it's total horseshit. It's such horseshit. There was a great documentary that I believe Bill James is a part of that they talk about this thing where basically you show pictures of the outside of the Ramsey home, and they kept saying, oh, there's snow, or they would have seen it. The whole path is clear.
Starting point is 00:21:42 The whole path is clear up to a basement window grate that you can open it and then they said, oh no, no, no, only a midget could fit in that grate. That was literally what they said. But then he's like, I'm not a midget. He's like, I'm six foot four. I'll show you exactly how you get in this grate. And he lifts the grate. He gets in. He's like, you can look here. You can see how that it was possibly disturbed when they
Starting point is 00:22:00 show the picture of the actual grate because they took a picture of it. They showed how he opened up the basement window and he's like, he crawled into the He showed the picture of the actual grate because they took a picture of it. He showed how he opened up the basement window and he's like, bump, bump, bump. He crawled into the home and he was in there in literally 30 seconds. But then he would have to go up. What floor was JonBenet's room on? Do we know?
Starting point is 00:22:13 It was on the fourth floor. So he would have to climb all the way up through the house and then bring her all the way down. Or he was in there already. We'll talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. So the footprints, total bullshit. Because the other thing is they searched the house from top to bottom.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Finally, they got a search warrant. But there was no duct tape found. There was no cord found. There was no stun gun. No murder weapon found anywhere in the house. So where the fuck did they go? Where did they go? Someone had to have left.
Starting point is 00:22:42 And why hide the murder weapon if you're not going to go ahead and hide the corpse? Which in the corpse is the bigger amount of, that's the evidence. That is the evidence. Look at Robert Durst again. Without his wife's corpse, they cannot prove that he murdered her. So because you have no evidence that she's dead. So it's like the first thing
Starting point is 00:23:00 you do is get rid of the body. Maybe you couldn't take her through the window with him. He's not Santa Claus. Unless, of course, he is Santa Claus. We're going to get to Santa Claus at the later on in the episode. Just a wink of the eye and a tip of the nose. And right up the chimney he goes. With your dead daughter.
Starting point is 00:23:16 With your raped dead daughter. Okay. So the DA, they actually did do a much better job than the BP did of assigning who should take this case. The DA's office brought in their own investigator, a man who was a veteran of literally hundreds of homicide cases. And within days of arriving... This guy is a super cop.
Starting point is 00:23:37 This guy is a super fucking cop. And he concluded in just a few days that the Ramseys didn't commit the murder. Okay. He was like, oh, yeah, look at this. Absolutely not. Yeah. He was like, this is fucking, he's like, this is easy. This is such an easy fucking job.
Starting point is 00:23:51 And the breakdown is really interesting. Yeah, the breakdown's great. So while the Ramseys were at the Christmas party on Christmas Day, the intruder broke into the house, bringing with him the duct tape, the cord, the stun gun. Also like Santa Claus. Yes, exactly. My question is, when you sneak into a house to rape and murder a little girl,
Starting point is 00:24:10 do you do the like tiptoe through the house? No, but if you make the noise while you do it, it totally, it's counterproductive to the, you want to be quiet. I think you're the world's worst murderer. Sorry, I didn't realize I was making the noises out loud.
Starting point is 00:24:27 I meant to just thank them. Can you keep it down? Oh, am I yelling? You are, sir. Why are you in my house, sir? I'm going to rape and murder your daughter. I got to keep these thoughts to myself. I'm a pizza delivery man.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Very thorough. Thank you. Brought it straight to the kitchen. Great. Well, you make a good point there. Inadvertently, what are you doing in my house? People ask, why did he write the note while he was in the house? Because it's actually very simple.
Starting point is 00:24:55 As Bill James said, if he is caught breaking into the house with a note, he goes to jail for kidnapping. If he's caught breaking into the house without the note, he spends a weekend in jail. It's a robbery. It's a B&E. Wants to hang out in their wine cellar and get trashed on their dime. Yeah. So he hides in the house.
Starting point is 00:25:15 That's a new type of staycation. Yeah. A break-in and staycation. They probably would have noticed for a few days anyway. So he hides in the house and writes the note while he waits for them to return. He's got, you know, four hours, something like that.
Starting point is 00:25:27 He's got at least three hours before they get back. So the theory is he wrote the note before John Ramsay or John Bonet was even there. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:35 He wrote the note waiting for them to get back. He waits until they're asleep. He goes up to John Bonet's room. He uses the stun gun, takes her down to the basement, places the note on the stairs on, takes her down to the basement, places the note on the stairs on the way,
Starting point is 00:25:48 and this is corroborated by physical evidence because in JonBenet's hair, there was green tinsel, green glitter that was from a decoration that was on the stairs. So it's very likely that he laid down the little girl on the stairs with her
Starting point is 00:26:03 head resting against the banister while he put the note on the stairs. So he gets down to the basement. He fashions the garrotte from the cord that he brought and the paintbrush that he found in the basement, which connects the murder to Patsy Ramsey because it is her paintbrush uh and it's very possible he was sexually abusing her she wakes up from the stun gun she screams he panics and he bashes her in the head probably most likely with the stun gun itself okay so he hides her body in the wine cellar and he leaves the house and so the whole intention was never to abduct her it was never no no no never for a ransom but it's also a very bad a bad way to to throw attention it's like he did it wrong as well which is because the idea is that
Starting point is 00:26:59 he's supposed to buy himself time uh to get away by basically making them go into a kidnapping investigation. But he left the body right there. Well, it's also possible that, you know, it's also something you said earlier that he meant to take the body with him, but he couldn't bring it with him. He couldn't get it out of the basement. And also that leaves a big trail of blood. Yes. That'll leave a huge trail of blood.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Yeah. Leading to wherever he wherever he's going. And then what does he trail of blood. Yeah, leading to wherever he's going and then what does he do with it? Again, that's what we were saying. It sounds like what he was saying, whoever was behind this whole thing was maybe just trying to destroy the life of John Ramsey. And honestly, I
Starting point is 00:27:37 think that's what it was. It sounds like just a super stupid criminal who showed up way too early and was just like, I guess I'll make a sandwich and write a note and then she freaked out he was probably going to try to take her kidnap her and then he just had to murder her no because that was a that is a garrotte killing it'd be different if she was just found with her head bashed in down in the fucking basement garrotte killing takes a long time and a lot of strength that's a struggle like basically he could have
Starting point is 00:28:03 killed her also right away she was knocked out from the stun gun. He put her down. He was strangling her long enough for her to wake up. So the garrot, now what do you do with that? You turn it, you twist it behind the person? Basically, yeah, you tie it behind a person's neck. Gacy used these, right? Yes. And it's like a pulling
Starting point is 00:28:19 thing. You pull on either side of the garrot and you slowly choke the life out of them. It's also similar to what they did in the act of killing documentary. How they would just mass murder people. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why the paintbrush was broken. He broke it in half to fashion
Starting point is 00:28:36 two handles on the garage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we know he's Italian. He's an Italian. It seems like a classic Italian mob killing. I mean, Godfather 2, they killed the big fat guy. That's true, yeah. So the first thing you got to do is they should have been looking for mustache hairs.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Yes. And possible traces of marinara sauce. It was probably Geraldo Rivera who wanted to get a comeback in his career because no one cared about the asylum story anymore. Yeah. So Bill James, his theory is that the kidnapper was planning on collecting the money, but the money was just icing on the cake. Like, the money, that $118,000, he knew he could probably get the money, and it was possible that the money wasn't even something that if he was directed to do this by superiors,
Starting point is 00:29:21 that the superiors didn't even mention whatsoever the exact amount that they that it's like okay mention one million dollars mention two million dollars but he's searching through the house he finds a pay stub that says 118 000 and he thinks okay i can do this i can get paid twice i can get paid by my superiors and i can get paid by this fucking idiot and then also to me it shows you know again they knew each other the killer and John Ramsey knew each other. Um, this was a strike against the Ramsey family, uh,
Starting point is 00:29:49 in order to just ruin all their shit. Yeah. And it certainly did. And in fact, uh, on December 27th, the next day, Patsy Ramsey,
Starting point is 00:29:58 a completely exhausted. She was visiting and she was being visited by a friend named Pam Griffin, who had made all of JohnBenet's pageant costumes. She said that Patsy looked up to her and said, couldn't you fix this for me? And then she remembers Patsy saying, we didn't mean for this to happen. Right, but you know, 48 hours, she probably hasn't slept at all. It's amazing this has all happened in a two-day period. They were just at a Christmas party and then the next thing you know, you're two days deep into an investigation and you're prime suspects.
Starting point is 00:30:26 I also, to be honest, think that you would be highly ignorant to not think that you sexualizing your child in a child like. Right. I feel like there is a part of her in that knew I set her up to be a victim. I'm not really like it's I'm not going to victim. victim. Not really. I'm not going to victim, you know, say the thing where like, oh, because she was a pageant beauty, she was like more of a victim because people saw her on
Starting point is 00:30:50 display, but that is a fact. She was sexualized in front of a group of people often. Publicly. And it's easy for someone who is a deviant to kind of put those feelings on her immediately. Absolutely. That's the whole point. That's why she won because the most people did.
Starting point is 00:31:07 I mean, how else do you judge a beauty pageant other than sexually? Two dozen victories. Who makes you pop a bone? It's disgusting. She had two dozen victories by the age of six. So if she won 24 times, how many did she compete in? Right. I mean, it's insane.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Or was it all part of a satanic ritual in order to bring down the World Trade Center? Well, it possibly was because let's get into 9-11, friends! Let's do it. Now, 9-11 is an emulgum of many theories.
Starting point is 00:31:39 And this is the most true. What we're about to cover. The JonBenet-Ramsay connection? So it is, it has been hypothesized And this is the most true. What we're about to cover. The JonBenet Ramsey connection. So it is, it has been hypothesized that JonBenet Ramsey was murdered by the formal Royal Canadian Air Force Colonel, Russell Williams, and his team working on behalf of the secret government of the Americas. Which points towards, they say in the Ramsey note, they're a part of a foreign faction and knowledge of his military history and also
Starting point is 00:32:09 going from Mr. Ramsey to John, they're familiar with him. Can I just say it doesn't seem like something Canadians would do? Giving these people a lot of credit. The Canadians have kind of earned a lot of credit in a lot of ways. So Patsy Ramsey's father had controls over the U.S. Navy Command Center, which was based in the Pentagon.
Starting point is 00:32:30 John Ramsey had access controls because, by the way. Is this actually true or is this gobbledygook? Well, this could be gobbledygook because John Ramsey, Patsy Ramsey's father helped to found access graphics okay so patsy ramsey's father was involved in access graphics and did also work for lockheed martin so basically what they're saying that john ramsey's job possibly meant that he had access or control over the network time protocols management of the servers used for the continuity of government program. Which the continuity of government program, what that is is that, say, 9-11. Say you remember 9-11 happened.
Starting point is 00:33:12 George W. Bush goes to hide in an undisclosed location while Dick Cheney is in... Oh, no, they're both... Dick Cheney was president during 9-11. Dick Cheney was president in 9-11. That's all part of the continuity of government program. So that's just chain of command stuff, right?
Starting point is 00:33:30 It's chain of command stuff. They sent an email out. So... Pretty much. Yeah, yeah. Pretty much. So, if John Ramsey was in charge of this, then it is possible that John Ramsey was part or at least saw the plans for 9-11, the lead-up to it.
Starting point is 00:33:49 And it's possible that John Ramsey refused to participate. But it just seems like what a part of his nature says that he was going to rebel against the government's plan to move the face of government to behind the shadows of the shadow government. And so now you can have all these secret players in play running the country and possibly the world economy. Double shadow government. But this is 1996. Well, I mean, do you think 9-11 was planned in a day, my friend? No.
Starting point is 00:34:19 It took at least three weeks. Yeah, I think it was about four or five weeks. Yeah. It took at least three weeks. Yeah, I think it was about four or five weeks. Yeah. So they say that it's possible because John Ramsey didn't play ball with the enemies of the real America, they framed him for the death of his child. I mean, I could see it only to the degree that he made the weapons that galvanized extreme hatred for the United States.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Definitely to that degree. Oh, absolutely. And because we were playing on both sides, members of a foreign faction, now it's been revealed that the Saudi government had heavily, like definitely were heavily a part of 9-11. They could have been Saudis. Maybe he found out about that. I mean, they were all Saudis on 9-11.
Starting point is 00:35:00 Now this one's fun, yeah. Yeah, this one's really fun. And it continues on into the FBI. We mentioned earlier, well, we mentioned on the last episode that the FBI came, set up a wiretap, and left. Almost like they were just trying to record John Ramsey himself. Almost. In the case of Adobe Graphics, three years before, there was an executive kidnapped and hundreds of fbi agents just poured into the location right in michigan another industrial kidnapping took place where a wife
Starting point is 00:35:34 was suspected a family member was suspected in this hundreds of fbi agents came they was just flooded so when shit like this happens fbi agents come running, especially when Lockheed Martin is fucking concerned. Just straight up. If this is true, if it's true that he was a part of the continuity of government program, do you not think he deserved a little bit more protection? You know, it's like a little bit more like it's insane. It's it's it's this is where conspiracy gets pretty interesting to me. It's true. They didn't give him the coverage. Did he want the coverage?
Starting point is 00:36:09 Who knows? I mean, again, speaking of, like we talk about all the time, but JonBenet, people would go crazy to find out who killed her. You would think, theoretically. The vice president of Lockheed Martin, this statement alone is very interesting. He's like, you know I had a six-year-old son, and we have a security protocol, and that letter threatened other executives. Where was the security? Where was the bodyguards?
Starting point is 00:36:30 Where was the protocol? Where was the alert, the drill, the routine, the regimen that we so carefully shared and worked on at Lockheed Martin? Not a word, not a sound, not a telephone call. Anyway, I've got to go put this wig on my son. He's got a competition to perform in, and today he's going to be Suzanne. I'm not going to say that it's a tragedy that JonBenet is gone, but I've got to say I'm sick of my son being number two as a fake lady child beauty pageant winner.
Starting point is 00:36:55 Marcus, I didn't see it. Is that a possibility? What? A contestant so hung up on the fact JonBenet has 24 trophies, wants nothing to do but murder Jon Bonet so her child can win. She has everything. My Bernadette has nothing. My God. The curtain has been lifted. Where was Honey Boo Boo's mom?
Starting point is 00:37:13 Where was June on this fateful day? She was probably at the fucking Piggly Wiggly snarfing down hot dogs. Oh, absolutely. You don't get that big from not. Well, you know, the 9-11 connection, admittedly the 9-11 connection, it's ridiculous. You know, that does kind of take away from this. But it does kind of take away from the fact that this is weird. Like the Lockheed Martin, even if it had nothing to do with 9-11 itself, the whole circumstances surrounding it, that there was nothing put in place for other Lockheed Martin executives,
Starting point is 00:37:45 the FBI didn't follow up on the foreign faction angle. It's pretty fucking fishy. Because, I mean, really, foreign faction, terrorism. You mentioned terrorism. Right. And you know what terrorism equals? Cash. That includes funding.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Right. If you are the bolder branch of the FBI and you have a terroristic threat, then you got a fucking payday coming. Absolutely. Because all the feds are going to come and you're going to get all new Hummers and you're going to get rocket launchers. You're going to get all the shit you always wanted to have as a local cop. Yeah. Yeah. And this is a further statement from the Vice President Lockheed Martin.
Starting point is 00:38:20 He said that he began to call executives and lawyers and others saying like, why wasn't my family alerted? What happened? And they said to him, well, there was no threat. And he said, how do you know that? And they said, well, I don't know. We just know. Right. Oh, which is a government talk for we know exactly what's going on.
Starting point is 00:38:38 We're not telling you. I mean, it's so tough to tell if were they just that stupid? Is it like is it like the BTK case where they were the hot dog squad running around like a bunch of douchebags? I think there's a part of it that there is that where they just kind of thought, oh, this is a rich guy. He'll give money to these people and he'll get the daughter back. We've seen this a hundred times, some fucking Matlock.
Starting point is 00:38:57 But no, that only holds water until 10 a.m. the day of the murder. Yeah, I mean, now they have the body, they still, it's terrible. It is very fishy. His involvement with Lockheed Martin is something that cannot be ignored. We're watching pedophile rings all over the world organized, like, they're basically, it's a secret keeper organization. It fits in line with their M.O. as it is. They do this to threaten and to control. These people are rolling around like the penguin in Batman Begins,
Starting point is 00:39:26 just on a trolley playing a song. Not Batman Begins, whatever, Batman Returns. And they're playing a trolley and trying to get all the kids out in the train and sell them into sex slavery. And JonBenet, God knows she's worth more than $118,000 on the human sex trade market. Oh, Jesus Christ. She's a billionaire. She's a luxury
Starting point is 00:39:45 item it's disgusting but yes i'm only talking as they do yeah so sure sure sure sure sure sure so actually concerning that it's said that many of the girls in child beauty pageants are victims of mk ultra but that is absolutely true i I mean, honestly, if you talk about, because basically the idea with MKUltra was to shatter a person's personality, make one of them a possible, like, prostitute spy, and who better than a fucking child beauty pageant queen? It's perfect. Well, you know, you see the connections to shady government factions of Patsy Ramsey's father. Both Patsy and her sister could have been CIA sex slaves. They could have been programmed by MKUltra.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Both of them were crowned Miss West Virginia in 1977 and 1980. Respectfully, in 1977, Miss America judge Frank DeFord wrote in his notes that Patsy was quote a little automaton on automatic pilot which is a good score in a child beauty right right like adjudication that's what they want apparently they should have uh MK altered a little bit of information on cooking and cleaning as well but you know whatever the same was said of uh later of pam's performance and john benet and this was this is not a conspiracy thing this was actually said by uh the people who photographed her and worked with her it was said that she could freeze all motion and hold a pose
Starting point is 00:41:18 for ungodly amounts of time she was six have any of you ever tried to get a six-year-old to sit still for five fucking minutes? You know what, man? I never ask a six-year-old to sit still. I never do. MKUltra is very real, but it's different now. I was talking with my mother about a family member. They have a five-year-old. You know what medication he's on?
Starting point is 00:41:39 ADHD medication. God. He's five years old. Fuck. And so it plays into a larger thing. She had to be on drugs. God. He's five years old. Fuck. And so it plays into a larger thing. If you need, she had to be on drugs. Yeah. There is no way a six-year-old can just do something like that.
Starting point is 00:41:51 An adult can't do it. Hey, do you want to be a winner? You take the things that make you a fucking winner, Ben. Absolutely. Look at fucking, what's his name? The Yankee guy with the big, getting juiced. Alex Rodriguez. You know, he's getting juiced.
Starting point is 00:42:04 That's right. You got to play with the big getting juiced. Alex Rodriguez. You know, he's getting juiced. That's right. You got to play with the big boys. That's true. It actually is commonplace in the MKUltra program for there to be mother-daughter mind control teams. Yes, because Kathy O'Brien, famed MKUltra victim, and her daughter are a part of it, or technically Project Monarch. Right?
Starting point is 00:42:19 They were a part of a mother-daughter sex slave team, and a part of what that does to them is that it keeps everybody in. that's what it is it's about like making sure everybody's a part of the deal yeah and it said that Patsy Ramsey exhibited symptoms of alter multiple personality switching during media interviews on more than one occasion that's another thing the alter and the real, like that's another MK ultra thing. Yes, yes, yes. When you look at this, basically what they believe is if you watch this, um, if you go through Kathy O'Brien's book called, I believe it was called the transformation of America, America with a K. Yes. Uh, she writes this book, uh, about her experiences. And one thing she said was that they received this sort of training,
Starting point is 00:43:05 this video training, where you can do micro controls to the muscles in your face. So literally you look different in each different personality you slide into. So she said a problem with an MK Ultra victim a lot of times is they will look in the mirror and not recognize themselves because literally like their eyebrows will be tighter. So if Patsy Ramsey is an MK ultra mind slave, it is possible that her front altar has no knowledge of the crimes while her back altar was the one who actually perpetrated it.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Absolutely. Okay. So this is more of a solitude reading in the front murderer in murderer in the back. Yeah, like a mullet. Kind of a mullet thing for your brain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Huh.
Starting point is 00:43:51 Who knew? Okay, interesting. So our next theory, satanic ritual abuse. I mean, of course, though. Yeah. Of course. So on February 27th of 2000, one researcher explained to a CBS2 news reporter... What we believe was happening in Patsy's mind was that her daughter was losing control, becoming a wild rebel.
Starting point is 00:44:13 She felt her daughter was becoming evil. Man! Unbelievable. I can't believe your daughter was rebelling against the sex business that you sold her into. Yeah, yeah. Why would one ask, why would a lovely six-year-old child be deemed a becoming evil? Was it because of the ritual sexual abuse being penetrated upon her? Was it because of the child porn ring being run out of Denver in which child quote-unquote models were being used for sexual favors and of which JonBenet was one of these quote-unquote models were being used for sexual favors, and of which JonBenet was one of these quote-unquote models. And Denver was also a hub of the Tavistock Group, also known as the Corporation of 300,
Starting point is 00:44:51 a conglomeration of British deviants. Interesting. That control the economy, the entire world. Yeah. Or is that also false? The sun never set on the British Empire, sir. Yeah, and they got the Denver Nuggets, too, a basketball team. Denver Broncos.
Starting point is 00:45:09 You don't even want to know the theory concerning the Denver Broncos and JonBenet Ramsey. I do. John Elway did it. I knew it from his perfect smile. That's why he was able to win those two Super Bowls. Too old to actually should have been able to do it. He should not have been able to do it. It was all a part of a gigantic ritual.
Starting point is 00:45:29 There are a lot of sevens, thirteens, and threes that show up in that Super Bowl. A lot of different numbers. And by the way, they won that Super Bowl 13 months after JonBenét Ramsey was killed. Very interesting. Absolutely solid evidence. Evidence. I mean, and you guys, of course, know about my New England Patriots theory in 2002. But that's a different episode.
Starting point is 00:45:54 That's coming up in September. Good. So, Jon Ramsey's daughter. What's the episode going to be about? I have no idea. So, Jon Ramsey's daughter from her first marriage, Elizabeth, we mentioned on the last episode that she was killed in a car accident. It's said that she had uncovered several vivid memories of satanic ritual abuse after a fail
Starting point is 00:46:16 at suicide attempt during the ensuing therapy sessions in which her father apparently played a major role in the ritual. It's just weird that we don't have that written down anywhere. You know what I mean? That's what's weird is we don't have any of that evidence just on a piece of paper. No, we don't have it written down. We don't need to have it written down. That comes from friends and family members.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Right. Sources. So we do know that somebody said it out loud. Even if it was just us right now, it makes it real. Yes. So that's good. Yeah. She was killed in a quote unquote freak car accident.
Starting point is 00:46:46 Her boyfriend also died. It's like a clown car hitter, a bunch of big headed weirdos. This is a message to all the boyfriends out there. Be careful. Be careful. So JonBenet, she had started complaining to her mother concerning her quote unquote private place about two months before her death.
Starting point is 00:47:05 Beginning about two weeks before her murder, JonBenet started to talk about scary people in long black robes who gathered around her and stuck quote-unquote things into her private place. Yeah, they're all the goddamn people designing the dress. They're a bunch of 50-year-old housewives who had nothing better to do. Absolutely, just sticking her with needles going, people designing the dress. They're a bunch of 50-year-old housewives who had nothing better to do. Absolutely. Just sticking her with needles, going like,
Starting point is 00:47:27 these sequins would look so much better if we could just sew them into your skin. You are the dress now, John Bonnet. Yeah, John Bonnet also spoke vaguely of darkness around her and the possible use of candles. And everybody knows candles are a Satanist's lamp.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Now let's get into the government connections to a Satanist's lamp. Now let's get into the government connections to the Satanic ritual abuse. John Ramsey ran a company called Access Graphics with offices in the Philippines, Amsterdam, Holland, and Denver, Colorado. Access Graphics did business with the William Morris Agency and had service contracts directly with what is commonly known as a Ron Contra. Access graphics, major bank accounts were parked at the noted Ron Contra money laundering service, Silverado Savings and Loan, and administered by none other than Director of Silverado, Neil Bush, George W. Bush's brother. Ramsey was also on a list of witnesses, never subpoenaed by former Ron Contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh.
Starting point is 00:48:25 It can now be reported that Ramsey had either knowingly or unknowingly pimped his daughter out as a prostitute to the William Morris agency who were taking these child quote unquote models and using them to provide sexual services for pedophiles in government, industry, and so on in addition to their quote unquote modeling shows. Where are the subpoenas? You know, I would agree with everything you said, but Oliver North didn't cover it on his show War Stories. So, I don't know. And an alleged claim in the tabloid Star. Which is also a perfect place to dump a story. Exactly. Tabloids are the perfect places to dump the story because it immediately erases any and all credibility. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:05 It's like telling a schizophrenic all your personal life details knowing that no one's going to believe them when they scream the truth. Well, apparently a large amount of kiddie porn had been downloaded in the 90s on Access Graphics, did a lot of work in Amsterdam's red light district, which is known as a hub of child prostitute trafficking. Absolutely. And that is totally true. That is real. That is real. That is very real. The human sex trade goes right through Amsterdam.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But it must be noted that neither Lockheed Martin nor John Ramsey ever brought up any sort of lawsuits against Star Magazine for these extremely ridiculous, or not ridiculous, I would say extremely damning claims. But I would say that they do that because they don't want to bring attention to the claims at all, so they just sort of come in like, oh, we'll just let them say whatever they want, we won't respond. Or you want them to be making these insane claims because, again, like we've been talking
Starting point is 00:50:06 about, it muddles the argument. Yes, it does. JonBenet, let's get into a little bit of magic here. That's magic with a K. JonBenet was murdered on Christmas only a few days after the winter solstice and Joseph Mengele created a sacrificial ritual for Christmas Day called the Last Bulb of the Christmas Tree. God, he was good at names. The Last Bulb of the Christmas Tree? And Mengele's pseudonym, Greenbaum.
Starting point is 00:50:41 I'm usually the last bulb at the Christmas buffet. You're a lot like Joseph Mengele. Oh, okay. Thank you, Henry. So Mengele's pseudonym Greenbaum means green tree and relates to the Kabbalistic tree of life.
Starting point is 00:50:58 And perhaps it is just a coincidence that the lone Ramsey press conference was on May 1st. My birthday! Which, you don't want to associate your birthday with all things terrible like Mengele and John Bonet Ramsey. But May 1st is also Beltane. And what's Beltane?
Starting point is 00:51:21 Henry? Beltane. Oh, it's the biggest holiday in the satanic world. It's like, well, that's more of a pagan holiday. Everybody takes each other's clothes off and then fucks in a field. Oh, okay. It's great. It's real nice.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Yeah. Sounds like a great tradition. Yeah, if everything is consensual. Yeah, naturally, and everyone's of age and not there because they're a sex slave. And although I could not corroborate this, it was said that the term for the devil in certain Illuminati circles is John Bett. Well, that's a reach. I think of all the things, that's the reach. It's a reach. Out of all the things, that's the reach?
Starting point is 00:51:57 I do feel, you know, this is my question. If we want to know the ritual work, let's go fucking, has anyone gone to Egypt to see if these pyramids got turned on? That's a good question. That's what I'm saying. Good question. But obviously with the satanic ritual and all that, they didn't, JonBenet wasn't actually used in this situation, in this instance. I mean, there was no markings of a sexual ritual abuse situation here. I mean.
Starting point is 00:52:22 Double, double secret. Double, double secret. Double, double secret. Shadow on shadow. Ah. You know what I'm saying? Hide in plain sight. Sure. Two if by sea.
Starting point is 00:52:32 One if by the... One in the hand. All of it rolls together. When in Rome, JonBenet Ramsey. I see now. See what I'm saying? I do. May 1st, Christmas Day, November 11th.
Starting point is 00:52:44 That is two months after what day? September 11th. And then also 2001. Two plus zero plus zero plus one equals three. Three, yeah. Jesus Christ, Holy Ghost. The other one. Three in one.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Some virgin, I think. Three in one. You got it. Two for the price of one. Right. JonBenet Ramsey. Interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:04 That makes all the sense in the world. So we got one final theory. Santa Claus. Of course he fucking did it. Santa Claus did it. So Trip DeMuth, one of the original prosecutors on the case. Bad name. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:18 Trip DeMuth. Sweet. But Trip, that's another one of those white, wealthy, ironically trashy names. It's a guy who mixes cocktails with his finger and then sucks on his finger. Yeah, yeah. It tastes good. So if you'll remember in our first episode, we mentioned at the Christmas party at the Ramsey's house on, I believe it was the 21st. I believe it was on, yes, no, it was the 21st. I believe it was on
Starting point is 00:53:46 yes, no, it was not. On the 23rd, that Christmas party, Santa Claus, was played by the former journalist Bill McReynolds. And on that day he supposedly
Starting point is 00:54:02 gave John Bonet a card that read you will receive a special gift after Christmas. I'm going to rape and murder you little girl. Very interesting. Oh I'm sorry he wanted a dollhouse. Let me change that on the list. Yes and then write about it. Now did this journalist that played the Santa Claus
Starting point is 00:54:18 what is it? I just want to call him McRib. But it's McReynolds right? Did he write about the case extensively or did he kind of wash his hands off and back away from it? Well, he had already retired as a journalist. Oh, okay. Yes, and his daughter had already been abducted 22 years before, and his wife wrote a play
Starting point is 00:54:34 about a child who was molested in her basement and then murdered. Yeah, and by the way, it was 22 years to the day before JonBenet's death. And of course, his daughter died at the age of 22, so those are other numbers that are the same. Two plus two equals four. Four sides to a square. Square on the altar of the Masons' square compass. Oh, you were in the apron.
Starting point is 00:55:01 That's okay. Come back to us tomorrow. Prescott Bush. Prescott Bush did it. Oh, and one more, by the way. Bill's okay. Come back to us tomorrow. Prescott Bush. Prescott Bush did it. Yes. Oh, and one more, by the way. Bill Reynolds died in 2002. And did he comment at all on the case?
Starting point is 00:55:13 He was apparently cleared. The couple gave hair, handwriting, and blood samples. They were eventually cleared thanks to DNA tests, but if we remember, the DNA is a little iffy. Right, right, right. Shadow on shadow. And about SBTC, the signature at the end of the ransom note could be interpreted as south on Broadway towards Cashman.
Starting point is 00:55:38 Just use MapQuest. We had MapQuest in 1996. Internet poster Don Bradley wrote, to get from the McReynolds former residence in Boulder to the Ramsey home, you would be advised to go south on Broadway towards Cashman.
Starting point is 00:55:54 So let's jump ahead to 1999. Court documents were released. I believe this was just last year that these court documents were released. It was revealed that in 1999 a grand jury voted to indict john and bene ramsey of not murder but of child abuse resulting in the death and being an accessory to a crime in connection with john bene ramsey so what this indictment
Starting point is 00:56:22 said and by the way the prosecutor declined to sign the indictment due to lack of evidence. But what this means is that a grand jury saw enough evidence to say that they were at least a part of it. They didn't kill her, but they were at least a part of it. The grand jury's indictment papers didn't indicate who killed the beauty queen. The Ramseys weren't officially indicted. Let's see here.
Starting point is 00:56:50 But in 2008, then Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacey exonerated the girl's parents and immediate family after DNA pointed to an unidentified male. As far as the indictment itself goes, count four of the indictment said the Ramseys, quote, did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly, and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of 16. So in layman's terms, count four is pimping your daughter out at shows where she's wearing scantily clad clothes. Or possibly putting her up at parties that this is what they do. That they basically are naming, if it's true, this sort of government parties, the after
Starting point is 00:57:40 after parties that we talked about with the Franklin cover up and that she was a part of that. And maybe the entire beauty queen establishment's a part of that yeah not a show and we remember in the Franklin cover up and I'm sure everybody's been hearing a lot about indictments lately and it is not hard to get an indictment right in this country but if we remember from the Franklin cover up the witness to uh all of these horrible sex parties she not only didn't get the indictment against larry king she was also charged with uh with uh with perjury and she was sent to prison for nine years and this but this jury they voted to indict but the da just didn't do it just didn't
Starting point is 00:58:23 sign anything into evidence and what's even more damning is that the evidence that was presented to the grand jury has never been released, and there are multiple redacted items in the search warrant. We're going to see shit come out in the next couple of years, probably. They all start to die off. Yeah. In a 2001 interview with grand jury specialist Michael Caine, who led the 13-month grand jury probe, he said there remain dozens of secrets, absolutely dozens, and a lot of what the public thinks is a fact is simply not fact. So this is just one of those stories.
Starting point is 00:58:58 This is one of those things where it's, again, what we said the first episode, is that when you can't find the killer of such a massive case and such a widely publicized case. Then you invade Iraq and you invade Afghanistan. That's what happens. You know, that's my personal belief is that the pedophile ring is real. I think that it's all real. Yeah, I think there's evidence to prove that.
Starting point is 00:59:23 I mean, my personal belief is that they didn't kill her, but they know who did. They know who did. They know who did, and they know why. But really, the biggest loser here is John, because his political career got derailed. It turns out when your daughter dies in a mysterious death. When two daughters die in mysterious circumstances. He ran for Michigan Congress in 2004 and 2008 and uh it's tough to work yourself out of the um out of the pit of that guy might have killed his daughter you have to start every speech
Starting point is 00:59:50 you're like hey hello my name is john ramsey i did not kill my dad you know that is the man who i was i want to talk about the man that i am a man who wants to fix our highways. And there's got to be a green light on the corner of Muldrew and Jefferson. Yeah, that is the story of JonBenet Ramsey. I don't believe this case will ever be solved. It's going to go down as one of the great unsolved murders in American history. It makes me feel sick to my stomach. It's so sad. And the poor girl.
Starting point is 01:00:22 And don't have, you know, I don't know, maybe we should pass legislation banning these child events. It's just disgusting. I know they're outlawed in France. If the French don't allow it, why would we do it? No, no, no. We're basically, yeah, absolutely. Why are we sexualizing our kids?
Starting point is 01:00:40 Stop it. It's an epidemic. It really, I mean, I hate to say it, but even you watch those MTV, like the new musicians that are out now, like they look like children. They're wearing nothing. I sound like a total father or something, but it's just, it's more than it ever was before. The little girlification of like sexuality.
Starting point is 01:00:59 So gross. I think it's disgusting. The shaved pussies. Grow some bush, ladies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But let's not go crazy. Grow a little bit of bush.
Starting point is 01:01:10 Always. As a matter of fact, keep it shaved, but tattoo your driver's license on it. And that way we all know, I know what I'm looking at. It's perfect. Oh, yeah. I got a bush. Just so no one thinks I'm a little boy. I don't think they're going to think you're a little boy.
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