Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 182: Henry Lee Lucas Part I - From the Womb of a Whore

Episode Date: July 9, 2015

It's the childhood of Henry Lee Lucas on the first of our three part series on the greatest drifter America ever produced. Follow the upbringing of the man who started off as the son of a prostitute and ended up with the highest confessed but not confirmed body count in American history.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Maggot, I just...it just makes me so happy when you get headphones and um, when you plug the name for me. You know? It's just so nice that you can go and...you're plugging the headphones and then I hear my voice. You know? It's crazy. It's just...it's nice to hear when I'm hearing and it's also nice if I say something funny. You know, I can maybe at my own self. Do we have to edit that out or is it going to be the beginning of the show? Thank you so much for giving me headphones, Marcus. It can be the...I think it can be it. That's okay, because Marcus usually has to edit out some of your more controversially mentally impaired characters. What's so controversial about being so phone sweet?

Because I am. All I need to make me smile is just have your headphones on my head. Well, you look great with those headphones. Keeping your ears warm. Yeah. Yeah, you get...oh, my shoes fell off. My pizza's too tiny for me. That's a...you have adorable little... I just...everybody likes what I do. I just wear headphones and smile. Right. Yeah. No job. No job.

They won't let me have a job because I got IQ of four. That's a heck of a number. Hell of a number, everyone. Welcome to the show. I'm Ben Kissel, joined by Marcus Parks and is always with us... Henry Zabrowski. Oh, Henry Zabrowski. You're very good. Absolutely. Yeah. No, no. It was just nice to feel simple and good. That's why I adopt those characters. All the characters I do is in order to express... You know, the process of building a character. Let me begin.

No, I... Ben, Marcus, all right. Yes, please. You know, listen, the character... I want to hear about it. Absolutely. It's just about me being able to do things that are a part of my general personality that I normally can't express. Being simple and sweet. Sure. I have to do it through a mouth-breathing retarded man.

Oh, okay. Because I know to appear simple and sweet in real life makes you a fucking mark. Makes you vulnerable. Well, I don't know. Well, that's good. I'm happy that you're practicing your response for when CNN comes and we have to have a discussion over your questionable characters. And then you're going to say the R word that ends in E-tarded. And then we're going to be in a whole shitload of trouble. Well, at least I'm not saying, oh, well, he's got fucking mush for brains.

I could say that. Oh, you mean one of these doidoys? Oh, when I play a doidoi, what I like to do then is I just go to curl up my lip and pretend like I got a corncub up my asshole. That's great. Okay, we got to go to commercial break, right? So how'd it go, guys? What'd you think? Great job, Henry. Really great job. We're all excited for season two of Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell.

Thank you so much for having us. Wow. So we're just going to let it... We'll show ourselves out. Are these baggles free? All right. Well, let's do it. Henry Lee Lucas.

So today's big hitter, oh, my friggin' god, I love Henry Lee Lucas. I've been wanting to get to this guy for a long time. This guy is really a collection of every single fucked up, backwoods stereotype that has ever existed. So he's super smart and he's going to Harvard? On opposite day. Oh. He has one eye. Okay.

He's got two teeth if I'm generous. That's not bad. The rest are sort of gnarled, like little shards in the back of his mouth. Serial rapist can only get hard if a woman is dead. Okay. Was with a seven foot tall gay man and his 13 year old wife for a section of his career where they all fucked each other. And he was known as the one eye drifter killer.

Which is just like straight up. It's not going to help your reputation. No, that seems like a movie that Michelle Geller should... Michelle Geller, Michelle... Sarah Michelle Geller. Sarah Michelle Geller. Sarah Michelle Geller should star in a movie. A star featuring a one eye drifter man.

You know what we could have done? If we're having Sarah Michelle Geller play the 13 year old, you know should play Henry Lucas. Who? Freddie Prince Jr. Oh my God. I love Freddie Prince Jr. There was a great time in the early to late 90s where Freddie Prince was the dreamboat

of the century. Love that young man. Well, Henry Lucas operated in the 60s and 70s all across the United States. Now, Henry Lucas is very controversial in the serial killer world in that he has confessed to literally hundreds and in his estimation, thousands of crimes. He became also known as the confession killer. He is a possible total hoaxer, possibly. But also as you look at the evidence as it goes, because my theory is that he did kill

a bunch of people. I think he... I'm sure he had to kill some, right? Yes, he did kill a bunch of people. But during that time period, what he then started realizing is he says in a lot of his testimonials after the fact, he's like, well, you know, when things want to start confessing to one sort of murder, you become like a rock star. Yeah, because that was their saying is that he would basically confess in order to get

cartons of cigarettes. Right. I mean, it's a perverted world where successes measured by body and not the amount... by body count, not the amount of money count that you have in your bank or anything like that. Very similar to Joey Chestnut, who just let the country down by losing the Nathan's hot dog eating competition. If you tell someone that you ate 60 hot dogs in any other place on the planet, they look down on you, except for on July 4th, in Coney Island, you're a hero.

You know who still looks down on you on July 4th? Who? Your personal doctor. Oh, yes. Definitely. Not a doctor in the house. But Henry Lee Lucas, it's very interesting because as you look at the... you know, he has everything, every single thing that any one of our big hitters also had.

He's a head injury as a kid, incredibly abused. Yes. He was a... basically a child molester. He definitely was a child molester. A molester? A molester? Okay. I have that sort of flair like we normally say molest.

The way I would say the way he molested people was like a... a molest. Where he's just real like, he's just the dirtiest, gnarliest old fuck who ever existed. He was scary as shit. He had one eye, he had no teeth, and he's just like exactly what you imagine when you think of a drifter killer. He is Henry Lee Lucas. He is the greatest drifter that America has ever produced. This is a man that was produced...

Or worse. You know who I'd say is maybe the greatest? Well, Bob Dylan. Okay, sure. Dylan is the number one on the good side. But as in, you know, you could still call Tilla the Hun a great conqueror, or still an evil motherfucker. The same way I say Dr. Kvorkin was a hell of a nurse, a hell of a doctor.

He was more of a great... you could call him like a... like a sleepin' fairy. Yeah. Kind of fun. Oh, so this is a quote I like that Henry Lee Lucas said once that kind of symbol... It sums up his entire philosophy of life. I hated all my life. I hated everybody. When I first grew up, and I can remember, I was treated like what I call the dog of

the family. I was beaten. I was made to do things that no human being would want to do. Like listen to Abba all the time. Yeah, he sounds like a typical millennial, you know, oh, I first don't do things I don't want to do. I just want to be a movie star. Why won't they let me be one?

I have to be a paralegal at this office, but what I really want to do is make sand castles for a living. Unbelievable, that's just not a lucrative market yet. Well, this guy, as you know, but you know, some of this stuff is taken from my favorite serial killer book by Peter Vronsky, Serial Killers, The Method and Madness of Monsters. He makes a very good point when he says that Henry Lee Lucas' childhood, it's a manual on how to make a serial killer. Yeah, it's just that...

Oh, so nice. A good old recipe. Because he had it all, he was dressed, you know, like he was... he was a molastic. He was beaten. He lived in a chicken coop. If he was a cartoon, he'd have the stink lines coming from his head. Literally, it's like every... it's just all the backwards things. Right.

It's like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre family, but real. Right, right, right. With less class, because at least they respected grandpa. They did respect grandpa, and you know what the Texas Chainsaw family did together? They ate dinner. You know. And wasn't that a good time for America? That's another thing we lost in 2015, the communal dinner.

You know what else we lost on stuff? It's involving giant rings about child molestation, child prostitution. All of this stuff used to be a great secret, man. Right. Nobody can keep a secret anymore. Well, now that that's out, it's fun. You can have a family dinner and discuss pedophile rings. So this guy, Henry Lee Lucas, born in 1936 in Blacksburg, Virginia, which just sounds

like a terrible place, coincidentally also the home of Virginia Tech, which is of course the site of the largest mass shooting in American history. Which was that? Virginia Tech. Oh, I'm sorry. I just forget sometimes. Every town in Virginia just, I just can see the white mob chasing a poor black dude. When you hear the name, you're just like, oh yeah, that's where death happens.

Yeah, Blacksburg, Virginia. Sad. Ah, his mother Viola D'Son while Lucas had- Was it D'Son? D'Son. Was it Dyson, like the chicken? Yeah. I think it's D'Son, because she was half Choctaw.

Oh. And I believe that is a Native American word. What does that mean? Big Gaper? Yeah, I think it means Big Gaper in the Native American community. She was a 50 cent prostitute who was in her early 50s by the time she had Henry. I see that. At least she's 50 cents.

Yeah. That shows respect for yourself. It does. If you're a nickel prostitute, it's just like, ugh, it's like anytime somebody, if you just stand near a wishing well, you could accidentally start sucking some guy's dick every three minutes or so. It's much, even the worst is the Bazooka Joe prostitute, just give her gum and she'll blow you.

Yeah, she's like, if only I had a taste to get it on that Bazooka gum. What we need to do is, I can fit your whole balls right in my tongue. Wow. Wow. 50 cents. This is my mom. Oh, isn't that nice? Hey, this is my mom.

I just thought that we should, you guys should meet. I know we've just started dating Miranda. We are, I'm a new hair legal here in the city. This is my mom. Well, I think that's, you're just- I'll suck them until right before they go, cause I hate to see the look of Santa's bags in my eyes. Well, you know, a lot of times guys date a woman that reminds them of their mother, but

I'm not gonna do that to your balls. I'm never gonna suck your balls down my throat. Oh, I thought we were gonna, I thought you were gonna, I mean, I guess they say you're not supposed to be able to change someone, you don't get into a relationship just to change someone, which is about maybe you'd be pulling all your own teeth, so you could be a toothless 50 cent whore. Oh man. Well, she was described by one of her granddaughters as, quote, a dirty old woman who chewed snuff

and the kind of person you would not want to be around. Jackie Zabrowski. Yeah, your sister Zabrowski. Dirty old woman. I love that. No, this, this, uh, Henry's gonna read something here, uh, that comes from, uh, this book that I've been using as research. It's called Hand of Death, the Henry Lee Lucas story.

Do you want to explain the reference real quick to Hand of Death? Yes, the Hand of Death is, we're gonna be getting into this and I think one of the three parts is gonna be pretty much devoted solely to the Hand of Death. The Hand of Death was a satanic cult operating out of the Everglades and supposedly Henry Lee Lucas, an autist tool, his partner in crime. Autist? Autist. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's extra retarded.

Isn't that special? Yeah. Autist. Yeah. The second T makes it autist. Huh. Yeah. So, uh, they were supposedly recruited by the Hand of Death to kidnap children, murder

people, uh, participate in their sacrifices. Pretty much they were the guys that went out and harvested the children. Like the finders, the CIA groups. Like the finders. Like the finders. Yeah, yeah. And this is also, and as everybody knows, the Hand of Death is an Everglades cult that was run by the Guana Mafia.

Yep, they're one of the more dangerous of all the Mafias. And this book was, it was co-written by Henry Lee Lucas with this guy Max Call. And keep in mind, as Henry reads this, keep in mind that this is written by a man who, by the way, chapter one is called From the Womb of a Whore. Huh. What's that all about? Which is also the name of like a fucking Pantera album, right? Yeah, it's a great death metal album.

No, actually these, the table of contents reads like a fucking metal album. From the womb of a whore, opening the gates of hell, evil knowledge, evil power. I think I got whiplash from rocking so hard. And remember that is, this guy in the, the, the, the foreword says that he is writing this as a Christian man to expose the satanic, the satanic cults that are operating in America. So he gave all the money back that he made from the book and he just put it right to Christ. I mean, let's just also say he made approximately $13.

Oh, good. Yeah. Well, you could buy 26 Go-Arounds with that, with that really Lucas's mother. Yes. Remember, this is a, that he wrote this next paragraph that Henry's gonna read in the name of Jesus Christ. Oh, good. Also remember again, Henry Lucas cannot really be taken apart from Otis to Otis Tool, I'm

sorry, that we will be covering later on his possibly homosexual partner, also part of a, maybe a love triangle between him and a 13-year-old and that they were all a part of the bay. You know, in the end it's just, I'm glad everyone in the group had a goal and I'm glad they were part of a team. Yeah. It's nice to team up with people, sure. So this is from Hand of Death by Max Call, offering her breast to his tiny mouth.

She cooed, that's it Henrietta, suck your mama's titties. And as he did the natural thing, she added, but remember darling, when mama does something nice for you, you must pay for it with pain. And inside his tattered little blanket, she painfully pinched his little penis. Alright, I do want to say this, it is a child involved, he is an infant and that is sad, but kind of hardcore erotica. That's disgusting. I think that's kind of, I mean, did you watch Serbian Tale and Get Hard?

No? We were like, oh yeah, I want to lay it back to the baby, is that the first thought you had? No, the fact that it's a child is disturbing and that she is toothless and she has a bad tobacco habit. That's the worst. So let's think about that. And by the way, this book is also the same book that described, go ahead, look at a picture

of Autistool right now, the writer of this book described Autistool as quote, a good-looking young man. He is a seven foot tall, like, I don't know, how do I put it? Just looks like a fucking sexual deviant, he's got rapist face. Alright, so I looked up a picture of Autistool and he looks like he should be working on cars. He is nothing short of attractive in God's eyes. And that's where, that's where, I tell you what though, Max is coming from.

He's got that Michelina Jolie dick-sucking lips. Oh yeah. Wow. Well, psychiatrists have done studies, remember that Henry Lee Lucas was born to a prostitute who just fucking despised him. His mother hated him worse than anything else on earth. Psychiatrists have done studies as to what happens to the, in the absence of physical touch and affection when someone is developing as an infant and it really does scramble up

your brain because these kids, they pretty much, they had their sense of self is only of them. There is no concept of the outside world. There is no concept of if I do something it will hurt you. So Henry Lee Lucas from the beginning was just incubated to be a serial killer. He just thought people were really bizarre penis pinchers and had no idea why. Yeah. And he started getting mad when people didn't immediately pinch their penis.

He's like, what are you doing? As soon as they met them. Oh, he must, he must not like me very much. He didn't pinch my penis once. The thing about this case also, like in comparison to other big hitters we do is that this is just so like, it's almost like, cliché, like every time you look at the story where you're just like, you know, he just childhood trauma, bad mother, those things. Yeah.

He's just a fucking dirt animal. Right. Right. He's just sort of fucking the worst creature to walk the planet is, is, is somebody like him. He's a, you know, well, it, it seems like his mother issues are a little bit more intense than a lot of them have Ramirez was an uncle situation and of course his mother wasn't mom of the year.

But here at Henry Lee Lucas also had an uncle situation as well. Mm hmm. Sure as hell dead. But before we get to that, let's go over his father, at least the man who was listed on his birth certificate as his father. Anderson also known as no legs, Lucas question is why, what was the, where did the nickname come from? He had big, long legs.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's like when the people call me tiny. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Right.

No, he had no legs. Oh, he just had no legs because he got, he was an alcoholic and he got wasted, passed out on the train tracks and was run over by a slow moving train. That is a way to wake up number one. I love the conductors to be like trip, trip, just got to move out of the way. We got, we're a mile away. Just feel, move over whenever you want to be more than one guy's like, Hey, Clem. All right.

Listen, listen, listen. I know we should stop this train. Of course we should stop this. Yeah. He'll move though. But you ever just think maybe just once we can just hit one of these drifters and just see what it's like. I don't mean to be.

I don't mean to make something weird about this, but I just think I've, we never, we, how many times do we get to do something like this? Knife through butter, train wheels through legs. Yeah. Let's do that. Let's do it. I also love it. I think I can.

I think I can. I think I can. Yeah. Thomas the Tank Engine did it. I've got blood on my hands now. I no longer Thomas the Tank Engine. I'm Thomas the Murderer, Murdering Tank Engine. Well, I watched what happened to the drifters legs.

I knew then that life is a mirror of pain. Well, that's why you got, you got to watch the, yeah. Thomas the Tank Engine Reborn. Well, Thomas, once you're done with your trauma, maybe we should learn about numbers. How many legs did you just chop off? One, two. That's right. Yep.

About his father, Henry said, he hopped around on his ass all his life. That's just not even, it's not even fucking ironic. No. It's just, that's just. He literally, from what I read, he had a cart. Yeah. He would sit in a cart and he would literally do that hump in motion. Right.

He would drag his cart back and forth with a broomstick where anytime Henry was anywhere near him, he'd hit him with the fucking broomstick. He's like Lieutenant Dan, but a worse version from Forrest Gump. Yes. There's also one of those stories too where I'm just like, I like, I'll listen to this story, but no legs loose. And everyone, you know, like, because you think about, you're just like, man, I wish my dad paid more attention to the things that I do.

You know, but then I realized it's like, well, I'm just an actor. I've been made me an actor, which is great. I got a little bit ignored. But Henry Lee Lucas was paid so well attention to by the broomstick of his legless father. Yeah. That it's almost too much parenting. I mean, at the same time, if you're Henry Lee Lucas, you've got two working legs. You've got youth on your side.

You can't get away. You can't run away from your father who was bouncing around, bumping around in a cart. I mean, how fast could he have possibly been going? He wasn't entering some sort of derby unless he's going downhill. Yeah. How do you catch the kid? Yeah, that's the thing is a karate kid had to catch all those chickens, right? Yeah, sure.

But it's simple. Well, I made I found a couple of conflicting reports is that he does that at sometimes he does say that his dad was the only person who actually treated him kindly. That sometimes he says that his dad treated him like that his dad was kind of the only person who kind of patted him on the head because he ran an illegal alcohol. Sorry. And he said sometimes when his dad would sell a little bit of alcohol, he'd give a nickel or two to Henry. Oh, that's nice.

It's like a tenth of a horse price. That's really great. Thanks for the nickel. Dad, I can almost have sex with mom if I keep saving these up. You can have sex with your mom. You just lie to her. Say you're not her son. She'll believe.

No legs also support his family by selling pencils at the local skating rink. Like walking around and like, man, all right, man, I'm gonna write young Susie's number down. I don't have a, oh, let me ask that little half man in a cart over there. Pencils here. Pencils. Let's go, Joe. No, no, I'm buying a pencil from the Legless Man.

He also skinned minks. He just did whatever you could do in a cart. Yeah. You know, if you fit in the cart, I'll skin it. He's also a great coaster for beer. That's kind of fun. He was also a hockey puck for the local beginner's hockey league. I don't hit me so hard now.

I gotta tell you, little Harvey, you're getting strong with every slap shot. Next time you accidentally clip me with that stick, I'm gonna pinch your little penis. The life of a puck. Well, Henry actually worked at his father's distillery from the age of 10, and that's when his problems with alcohol began. Drinking straight moonshine from the age of 10, most of his life. And that moonshine, this is Virginia moonshine. Yeah, very intense stuff.

It's not like that city liberal moonshine that I had to drink when I was a boy. Exactly. Also known as water, from a very good public water system. That's nice. Well, Viola Henry's mother, among, if not the cruelest serial killer mother that we've ever covered, she forced both Henry's father and Henry himself to watch her every time she brought home a John. This is sort of a cuckold situation, isn't it?

Yeah, except they did not want to do it. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, you know, how far can the cart go? Yeah, that's the thing. Well, that's what she would do is she would roll them across the room and just kind of leave them over there any time the John came in. Now, did he, he didn't lose his penis to the train though?

No, he did not. Maybe you could get aroused a little bit. But I would say this, right? Yes, I know all the time, you know, like sex doesn't always have to be the most romantic thing. Sometimes it's fun for it to be spontaneous, a little dirty, a little naughty. But I don't know if I'm going to be able to really like get off having sex with my 50%, my 50 cent prostitute in front of her legless husband and her four-year-old son.

Right. Maybe I'm a bit square. You know what? I'll give you a 75 cents. You lose the half man. Just lose the half man. The kid can stay. I'll give you a dollar for the kid to stay.

The half man stays in the picture. I need him to hate it. Oh, all right. That's the only thing that keeps me dry. Well, let's just get it done with then. Well, the punishment for refusal to watch was just a sound beating with this huge homemade club that she had. And Biola wouldn't even allow him to cry while she was beating him.

He had to just silently take it. She once beat him so badly with a two by four that he was unconscious for three days before Viola's pimp, Bernie, eventually took him to the hospital. Yeah, because eventually he's just like, you know, Viola, I don't mean to step in. You know how like I have a hands-off relationship with you. I like that you're independent. I like the fact that you work with me for 50% a fuck. You know, and I get 49 cents of it and I give you a penny.

And I don't technically know how y'all survive on a penny, but that's fine with me. But your son has become like a sort of just fixture. Like he's become like a human coffee table. And I'm just wondering if it's a hurting business. You know? Yeah. Oh, what's that? Oh, I'm sorry.

You were sucking dick. Yeah. All right. I'll just take him to the hospital myself. Great. You know, doctors say that anything more than a few minutes of unconsciousness can cause permanent brain damage. So three days is bad?

Three days is real bad. Maybe it comes full circle, though, and he just gets really smart. Is that possible? Is it possible? Oh, he becomes like the movie Phenomenon. Yeah. But instead of using his psychic power to like help the town, it's just him just lifting 13-year-old girl's skirts.

Yes. And I've seen it. I've seen the cliff. Another John Travolta classic Phenomenon. They say after Henry... They say after Henry Lucas was caught, they did tests. They did CAT scans, revealed extensive brain damage, specifically contusions in the frontal and temporal lobe, which usually result in extremely diminished capacity for impulse

control. Childhood injuries of this type. John Wayne Gacy, Fred West, Andre Cicatillo, all of these guys had traumatic brain injuries as either a child or a teenager to these specific areas. He's got what we'd like to call... I'm sorry, Miss Lucas. You're not... Oh, you're his mother's pimp and some random woman that's also here.

You're your son. You're not your son. No. You're your prostitute son. That's the thing we'd like to call goon brain now? Yeah. Okay. Cool.

Great. I'll bring him back. You think that I'll help bring new business in if I say my prostitute's got a new goon brain son? He's like, you know what? I'm just a doctor of medical science and I should maybe call somebody, but I won't. But I don't know, I'm also not a marketing person. I don't know if that'll help the business.

You've got to protect the frontal lobe of these kids. Got to, man. Lucas, he also suffered from grand mal seizures just like those three killers did and just like Audis Tool did. And what's a grand mal seizure? The one where you shake. Oh, you just shake? Yeah.

The one where you shake. There's certain like, there's paralytic ones where you just sort of freeze. And then the grand mal ones are the ones where you shake a lot. Kind of get a little Taylor Swift with it there. Kind of fun. Kind of excited. Shake it off a little bit. There's something to here.

I guess he had an usually high levels of lead and cadmium found in Henry's body. I guess because they live in a chicken coop out by some drainage river. Yeah, most likely. And the odor from his body, which is really interesting, it leads to a type of poison that makes a stench come from your body and an almost complete loss of the sense of smell, which is a deadly combo. So literally the smell of him could murder a person. If you look at his face, if you look at Henry Lucas' face, you can't, I don't think a brute.

I don't think of old spice. Oh, I love some good brute though. That's what men use. Yep, he actually, all of these details about his childhood, the smell, the odor that he had as a kid and all throughout his life, but particularly when he was a kid, that was corroborated by a teacher of his. And his teacher, not only his teacher, but a ton of people in town, they corroborate, because Henry Lucas is known as a liar, you know, for the most, like he definitely lied

about a shit ton of things. Right. And a lot of these guys will lie about their childhoods to try to garner sympathy, but these details have been corroborated by multiple people. Because the problem is also, by this point, he was almost, now he's helpless. Now he's got severe brain damage. He's got, he's kind of sort of like a gaze sort of look around his face. He's real dazed and weird all the time. And he loves to lie and he'll eventually becomes a total complete terror.

It's just like, what can he do to save him? Well, concerning his health further, Henry said that he didn't eat a hot meal that wasn't scavenged from either the streets or garbage cans until he went to prison as a teenager. Her mom would cook meals for her and her pimp, but wouldn't let the kids have any of it. And the malnutrition combined with the cadmium poisoning resulted in even further brain damage. How did the mother maintain custody of him? Virginia is a third world country. Yeah, shit just gets let go there. Nobody cares. Nobody cared.

Like, yeah, you just look at these people, you just kind of assume, well, eventually the river will flood and it will wash all these people away. Right, right, right. Well, actually the one person that did care, his teacher, who was strangely enough, her name was Annie Hall. Like that fictional girlfriend of the rapist director. Oh, what are you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Remember that? Oh, yeah, the child fucker, his daughter fucker. But no, it's okay because they're still together. They're still together. I mean, you know, I could make a relationship last and I wasn't having sex with my daughter at all. That's something. Yep. He, uh, burning, yeah, wouldn't let the kids have any of the food.

One of Henry's earliest memories was also the one that very early on can join sex with violence in his mind. Like I said. The penis pinch? Not the penis pinch. We actually don't know if the penis pinch happened at all. Oh, don't tell me it didn't. Come on now. That's from the fictionalization, the hand of death, who the author also says in the introduction of the book is,

there's no way to tell Henry Lee Lucas' story without fictionalizing some of it. Which just means making it up, which is again, what we're saying is the opposite of telling a story. That's not what telling a story is. Telling a story is telling the stories that are, that's a fact. Sure. And you're just writing a story. I mean, I don't know. I haven't read much of Max's book here, but I would assume every one of his books does involve a penis pinch to some degree.

A penis pinch guy. Oh yeah, I got this in the first 10 pages. Wow. Every artist has one story to tell. That's right. One of Henry's, his earliest memory that he says was his mom right after having sex with a John Stark naked, grabbing a shotgun and shooting the John in the leg just splattering Henry with blood. And that was a punishment for giving her an orgasm.

Yeah. Because she was really upset by it because she hated that. She didn't like to feel pleasure it sounds like. Yeah. The further crimes of his mother on Henry's first day of school, his mother dressed him up like a little girl, gave him curls in his hair, put him in a dress. Because he had super long hair when he was, when he was growing, as he, at this point, she never gave him a haircut. A comedy, it's the same thing that happened, Charles Manson, right?

Yeah. It's seven different serial killers. Yeah. Report being dressed up as little girls. So now we're just going to blame the liberal left. We're going to blame progressivism. Yeah. Are you kidding me?

Yeah. Caitlin Jenner did this. Is that right? Is that what we're talking about? Before Caitlin, there was Henry Lucas. There was Charles Manson. And you're right. Five others.

But what if it was like that? What if Henry Lucas is this sort of toothless, disgusting, haggard, coop child? But then when he puts on a dress, it's like at the end of like Pretty in Pink where they're like, whoa, and he's like, bam, bam. And he like struts into like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. That's beautiful.

I feel like why not? I guarantee you it was the first time that he had clean clothes and he was actually kind of... That is literally what they said. Yeah, they said, they said it was the only time he ever showed up to school clean, which I think is a cruelty in and of itself. The only time that you're clean is when you're being humiliated by your mother. Can we say this though? In defense of his mother, her husband has no legs

because he's a raging alcoholic who fell asleep on the wrong bed, which train tracks, which is what I call the wrong bed. And then Henry was certainly not an outstanding child. No, he was described by more than one person as a terrifying child. A terrifying young boy, an Omen-esque kind of kid. So, you know, she was doing the best. She was the only one making any money for the damn family. I feel like this is also maybe the type of family where if he had something like an unusual activity,

like if he had been given something like curling or something like, you know, high-lie, or something like that, like watercolor, maybe Henry Lelukas would have been really good at something like that. Absolutely. You know, and not necessarily just, you know, making a corpse you can rape. Yeah, yeah. And possibly Viola's cruelest incident. She learned that Henry had taken a lycan to a local mule.

And he... The only one that can understand him. Well, I mean, you know, mules are kind of cool because you never know when they're going to be championship boxers. I mean, a mule or something special, right? I like ol' Thump. I named him Thump. Thump? Thump the mule? Because it's the sound he makes with his feet when he rolls. And also, you know what's funny about mule is that his seeds don't work.

What? Seeds? Oh, and his nits. His nits. His nits. His nits? His nits. His nits don't work? Yeah, you know, I've been yipping and yanking on that tail. He's got underneath his front tail.

I'd whip it up. And Thump, he humpy, he thumps his foot. That's right. But then he shoots nothing but little farts out of the tip of it. Yeah, have you tried pinching it? Well, you know what? That's a good idea. Viola, she heard that Henry, he'd taken on this mule as a pet.

He'd taken on the first, pretty much, the only thing that he ever loved. And when Viola found out that he loved this mule, grabbed her shotgun, made Henry watch as she shot it in the fucking face, and then beat him because she was going to have to pay somebody to come and drag the mule's carcass away. Oh, not very good. Not a nice mother thing to do. No, it's not nice. You know, especially when he's living a really sort of weird Disney world

where he's got a talking mule he listens to. Exactly. He's got a shrek situation happening. Yeah, it could have been funny. It's like, yeah, he's just like, Henry DeLuca, you're like a parfait. I said, you're like, you're like a parfait. And then he's like, oh Thump, come close to the swat, I can stick it into back home.

That's the only little mistake. No, Henry, we're friends now. Ain't no reason to rip it, Henry. Take it to the next level, I guess. And as if his life wasn't miserable enough, he lost his left eye in a knife fight with his brother. The eye was just left untreated, and eventually it did heal up just a little bit.

And then it got reinfected when he got beat by a school teacher. Well, this is another cruel joke of the universe, is the eye was starting to heal up despite his mother leaving it to fester for days on end. Sometimes you just gotta let nature run its course. That's organic. And so it's starting to heal up, and there's a teacher that was trying to hit one child

with a ruler throwing it at her, and the teacher threw the ruler and hit Henry right in his bad eye, and he just kind of lost it. So Henry Lee Lucas was just sitting there and be like, wow, I don't think he's yelling at me. I don't think I'm the one in trouble. It's the first time that's ever... Can you imagine though?

It's like stuck in his ruler and he's screaming for a second, and afterwards it's like, you know what? It is kind of funny, because it's stuck in there like it's meant to be in there. It's like, I'm a ruler holder. Better than being a pencil sharpener, is it? So they actually did get him a glass eye, which is kind of nice.

They tried to fill it with M&Ms for his mother's johns and put them over to like a little candy bowl. Yeah, like a little dish that you see at the doctor's office on occasion. Yeah, but the crows I would assume kind of get in there and pluck it out a little bit. Then the eye, a lot of times it would just kind of go off to the side and slip out of place. It would also weep.

Yeah. Like his eye socket would weep, and so he'd always have tears kind of running down his face, which is just, you know, it's just creepy. Really like milky infectious tears, too. Not your healthy, clear. Yeah. But they could never tell when he was stoned at school.

It's kind of cool. Yeah, rock and roll, man. All right. Yeah, all right, all right, all right. Then because he only had one eye, he didn't have any peripheral vision over on the left side. And because of this, he'd walk sideways so he could see what was on his left.

It seems to add to the creepiness factor of a man who literally can only sidle. Easy to get away from him, though. Yeah, come on. Come on, you got to stand next to my hips so I can look at the eyes of your lion. You can stand in front, stand behind, never stand to the side.

No. He'll get you then. No. He's quick like a crab. When Henry was 13, his father couldn't take it anymore, and after a particularly cruel session of watching his wife have sex with another man for money. He's just bouncing around.

I just want to say trigger warning. Yeah. So I don't want anybody to think about their lives in this scenario. This is the first time we've ever had one of those on this show, and I think we are 200 episodes too late for that. Yeah. Trigger warning for all of you.

Legless to live in a cart. Oh, OK. No, that's good, though. That's our crowd. We want to be sensitive. Yeah. He got drunk, drug himself outside in the snow, and just lay there until he caught pneumonia and died.

How many times I feel like just fucking, just go into peace. You know what I mean? He's like, we're just letting my spirit go. I feel like it's something that a Viking would do. You know? I'm going to rest. Yeah, the legless, berry-gathering Viking in an even more crude cart.

Yes. That's a hell of a way to go, though. See, I also feel like I even take it back and forth. They're a Viking with no legs, where he's got a name like Blarg, who's got like, they just tape two axes to his side, and they're like, they are going to throw Blarg into the upcoming army like a baseball.

They're like, ah, very good, yeah. And he's just like, mate, I'd like to talk about the plan where he tossed me like a baseball. Shut up, Legless Blarg. I think he would do great, and he'd be a hero of the Viking community. If he could learn some potions, that would probably help as well.

You know, that would have been a good idea before we lost Blarg, as if we attached some sort of rope to him so we could snap him back. Pull him back in there, yeah. Get the axes back anyway. Yeah, and Henry, a year after, he was forced to keep watching his mother have sex

for a year after he died, because Henry was 14, and for some reason, it was fine to have the seven-year-old watch, or a 12-year-old, or an 11-year-old, just so long they weren't in their teens, but suddenly when he got to his teens, suddenly it was creepy,

and Bernie didn't want him around anymore. I feel like it's like, there should have been a warm-up comic for each time she had sex, and he's like, feeling different from a live studio audience. No, it's just her son, really, but let's do a type five. Where are you from?

It's just Henry just like, I'm from here. I've lived here and missed kicking-coop my whole life from nothing much from my mom and fuck for the last 14 years. Airplanes are the oddest of things, and the food is not great. I lost my eye due to negligence. And the difference is when women drive, as opposed to when a male drives,

are just spectacular. You ever seen popcorn out of the hole in his face? You ever seen a socket weep? You know, black people. I'm going to get everybody to put your hands together, gave it a lot of energy. When you see the applause, let's just get a whoo. It's around this, it's also around this time.

Henry hit puberty and started dabbling in bestiality with his half-brother, who he also was having sex with at the time. Now, when you say half-brother just to clarify, he did have both of his legs. Does he say this is a genetically half? Yes, it wasn't half-brother. It was half-brother.

Half-brother genetically. Now, the thing is, I'd say here, they would trap small animals, slit their throats in a strange kind of ritual, and have sex with the corpses. But I'd like to correct you, Marcus. They took this as to say they slit the throats as to create some sort of ritual,

actually is wrong. They slit the throats truly, so that the animal would make the bucking motion that would need to make them come harder. So that's a fun little story. Well, that's one of those things you learn when you want your mother to have sex for 12 years straight. That's a little drifter tip.

There it is. You know, it's another drifter tip. What's that? Rape. I just say buy a car, and, you know, just don't do the... don't drift. So, yeah.

Also, you got to be careful on the 95. The traffic is atrocious when you get up near Vicksburg. Oh, my God. That's the Virginia traffic report. Look, a lot of drifters outside today. Keep your windows up. Lock those doors.

Don't let anybody name Henry into your car. Let me ask you guys. When you picture a fucking animal and slit in its throat... I actually haven't done that yet. You haven't done that yet, but now you're... Everybody do it.

In the whole audience. Everyone do it. All in the audience. Just picture. What animal do you picture? Wow. Squirrel. I went small, too.

Squirrel. I went with the armadilla. That's disgusting. I don't know. That's what I thought. Everyone on the... Yeah, go to the Facebook page and tell us what animal...

When you imagined a 14-year-old hillbilly with one eye with an animal on his dick right before he's about to slit its throat. Chicken. George is sort of a pink flamingos John Waters type situation with the chicken. It's just funny if you just put your mind to it.

It's like reading. Imagination will take you everywhere. Yeah. Anywhere you want. It is. Yeah, you're right, though. I picture a small animal, but somebody like a dommer.

I'm thinking a horse. Henry claims to have taken his first human victim at 14, said they killed and raped a 17-year-old girl at a bus stop in that order, killed, then raped, because Henry Lucas was a product killer. We talk about product killers and process killers. He was a product killer

in that he could only have sex with dead women. He truly just said it. He said that he liked sex with dead women much better because he could use them like toys and then drop them. And he was a total psychopath. I mean, of course, he needed total control. And also, I'm going to just straight up ease this

a wee bit retarded, which is a part of it, too, of just being like, it's almost like a logic. It's more like, well, if they're dead, they can't say no. And it's like, but that's like validation. They're like, you see? Yeah, they make it a valid point to them. Them saying they're dead, they can't say no.

They're like, yeah, they're dead. They literally believe they're like, at least I'm not raping them. Yeah, I mean, to some degree, he's not wrong. A corpse is obviously not a living thing. I think if you were, if you told me that I was going to be raped and murdered, I would say, can you rape me after?

I would much rather be dead before the rape happens. I'm just glad now we have it in verbal recording that we can use that. You're just killing and then raping a corpse. I think that's really good. I'm glad we have it. I'm glad we thank God. We don't have that.

What I'm saying is if you had to choose, all right. My big thing is I'm just trying to live my life so I never have to choose. No, I know. But if somebody kills you, you don't have the choice. They're killing you. No, no, no. It's true.

Yeah, it's true. You're right. You're right. Somebody came up to you and was just like, we're going to rape and kill you. Which order do you want it to be in? Rape me. You say you want to be.

No, if you say you're going to kill me. And, and. No, no, no, no, no, no. We've talked about this. Henry is going to hold on screaming to life for as long as he can, no matter how terrible it is. I'll suck a guy's dick. If it comes down to you killing me, I'll say,

no, no, no, no, dude, no, no, I'll get you one better. I'll be your funny boyfriend. And then I'll look for a way to escape because I'm very sneaky. And I'll, I'll like hide in a laundry bin or something. That'll be perfect. I'll dress up as a mailman. And because I can fucking fool him.

I could just go buy a mailman costume, come back and be like, I'm not your guy. You've been raping. I've been a mailman all along. And he'll be like, well, you may tell me, where's my damn package then? You know, I'm going to rape and kill you if you don't give him my package.

You're right back into it. Yeah, yeah. You're right back into it. Well, Henry Lee's first arrest came in 1952 for breaking and entering just like a lot of these guys, you know, in larceny. A lot of these guys, most of them, their first arrest is either for breaking and entering or for theft.

Well, he's definitely a psychopath. He loves lying. He loves deceiving people. Yeah. And so that's a part of it. And then once he got, it's because it has, he has the Ted Bundy, you know, I'm just going to break every rule around me law

because it just fucking makes my dick hard. I mean, to be fair, if he told the truth, he would be an immense amount of trouble and kicked out of every institution he was in. He can't tell like, how was your day? I saw my mother fuck a bunch of dudes. Get out of the supermarket. Hey, man, you have to leave.

Listen, this is supposed to be a fun poker night and I just, I can't handle your stories anymore, Henry. That's not good. Well, like Manson, Lucas also said that he was always most comfortable when he was incarcerated because he got hot meals for the first time in his life. And he had a bed and he had four walls.

And he wasn't a fucking drifter. Watching his mom get fucked all the time. He was just hanging out with other dudes, having fun, smoking cigarettes, some guys playing a harmonica, and he's probably half good at it. And he did dabble in the men, right? Oh yeah, he was completely bisexual.

He just ended with a hole. He didn't care at all. Did he kill men? Henry Lucas did not kill men. Audis Tool killed men. Right, right, okay. Yes, Audis Tool would like to get, they got off sexually by robbing and murdering men.

Henry Lucas simply killed to fuck dead women. That's why he, that's why he killed them. Yeah. And he would also casually kill people as well. He's always said he was like going out. He's always wearing just like khakis and like just, it's a button down, but I'm not wearing a tie today. I'm casually killing everyone.

He had a quote that was like that, just being like killing somebody is easy, getting a corpse and fucking is easy. I just go out and get one. He said it's like walking out the front door. Yeah. Right, it's fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah, they were dangerous.

Yeah, they do not seem like the nicest guys around. You know what's also about Henry Lucas? He's just the type of guy that probably like never had a favorite Beatles album. No, no, no. Where you never had like enough choice and enough like leisure time and nice times in his life. What music was playing in that house?

Just the sound of balls slapping pussy and like cart rattling. Yeah. And remember, he was in her, his mother was in her fifties when he was born. And this is 36, right? So that means he's like 67 year old, toothless 50 cent prostitute

beating you with the broom. I mean, we never got to watch Woody Woodpecker. Yeah. Oh yeah. Definitely not. I don't even think the, yeah, the radio was brand new back then. They probably didn't even have one of those.

No, nothing. No, no, no. Absolutely not. My favorite album is that sound. It's a, oh, have you ever heard that song? It's called River Water Going Down. Oh yeah? How's it go?

I have heard that. It's sung by God in nature. I love that band. Also Tutu Train. It reminds me of my dad. He always screams when he hears the song. So when Henry was 23, he was coming fresh off a four year sentence

for another break in an entering charge. He moved in with his sister, Opal, over in Michigan and met a woman named Stella, who he promptly fell in love with and became engaged to. And again, I want to say this out there to everybody who's single right now

and is afraid that they'll never meet anybody. Henry Lee Lucas had no, he had one eye. He had rept constantly. He reeked of cadmium. He got a girlfriend. Nobody you'll find, you're going to be fine. You're going to be fine. You're going to meet somebody.

Well, let's say it like, but we are going to say, you might have to lower your standard. That's a lot. Yeah. I want to say like, oh, he had, because Stella was not a prize. No, she was to him though.

He had one eye or he had one eye. Isn't that nice? Can you believe he had one eye? One eye. Two I find is frivolously too much. Who needs them? Yeah. So Stella wasn't a Sarah Michelle Guller.

No, no, no, she was not. She was the type of woman who gets engaged to a one-eyed felon who just got out of prison. So she was more like a Grundy Wilderman. I love her though. So Viola, she comes back into the picture. She hears that her son is happy and living in Michigan.

She's having none of it. Just the idea of a smile makes her mad. And she's also, at this point, she's 20. So she's in her 60s by now, late 60s. The men aren't coming around to give her 50 cent pieces anymore. Oh man, she had all dried up. Business is no good.

Yeah, but you could totally fend your fucking weird wheat farmer stub into one of her old damp holes. My god, it is funny to me that that does imply that these people did have standards. Yes. You know, like they still did, like they were very low, but then she even fell like below that bar that like a mouse could limbo under.

Like Bernie Viola never sat around, maybe having sniffed her a brandy, just listened to like, you know, still crazy after all these years. And Bernie just thinking about, like, you ever think about a lope in Viola? And she's like, I'll fucking suck your balls until you're fucking shit your ass.

He's just like, you know, Viola, just every once in a while, I'll just take a little stab and see if something can be normal. But I just don't think I can. You're growing accustomed to your face. Which is the most back-handed compliment love song that has ever existed.

You're gonna custom to your face. If any man tells you that, ladies, you have to leave him. Yeah. I've grown very fond of you over the years. Yep. Well, I realize that. You're a handsome woman and you're steady.

So Viola, she goes out to Michigan. She shows up to find Henry and Stella in a local bar celebrating the engagement. And also assuming that, like, that Henry Lee Lucas, she thought that Henry Lucas would be able to come and take care of her. Yeah. Which is insane.

It's crazy because these are real people. She got on, I would assume, a train or a bus. Yeah. Can you imagine the poor saps who have to sit next to Viola? Well, she's talking around, but not, I'll suck your dick. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. My ex-husband got his legs cut off by one of these. I just was hoping I could listen to some podcast. I mean, I'm on a bus, you know. It's just one of those things. It's lovely to meet you, but... Have you ever heard of This American Life?

There's a new episode, and I've got a hardcore history queued up right after that, so I... Yeah? Yeah, you know, sometimes I'd eat a lump of shit because they give me four cents to do it. Yeah. Just show my... I'm freak.

WTF had Barack Obama on this week. Isn't that impressive? Really the medium, but, you know, we can get into a whole conversation about that. I'm going to the back seat. That's the bathroom. Yeah! I'm going to sit on it for a while.

Yeah. I like to see if something comes. Sometimes it's fun to be on a bus toilet because the water comes up and spashes my pussy. And that's the only bath I fuckin' need. You know, that's not water. That's everyone's... Yeah, moak.

It's a little fecal matter there. See, if Viola walks into the bar, she finds Henry happily celebrating his new found love and immediately starts laying into him. Immediately starts a fight saying you can't marry her you can't do this You got to come back with me and you got to take care of me you ungrateful little motherfucker right and so Stella tries to step in and Viola violently attacks her and Stella says holy shit. This is your mother. I can't deal with this

I'm out engagements off. Yeah. See you later. It's like all those mother-in-law jokes I've heard that it's also the love relationship of the water boy Adam Sandler's character there in the movie the water boy. Go back and watch that Mama don't like oh, yeah Henry Lucas it's it's technically the water boy story, but it replaced being a water boy with all the rape in the corpses Great raid is better. I'm raping murder. No That was probably Adam Sandler's first draft. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so later on that night Henry Possibly remembering the beloved mule that his mother had also taken away from him years before

This one really I I'd so it isn't wrong because you just do such a good job of researching these people's lives I do you do get some sympathy for this you do poor Blind dumb piece of shit. He just needed to it's just the same thing. It's kind of like Dahmer It's like I feel sympathy for Dahmer, too, but it's just kind of just needed to get shot in the head Yeah, he just needed to have been murdered in some sort of jail problem or in a bar fight or like something like that Just to have ended his life. It seems like everyone was trying to kill him Yeah random rulers going into his eye very easily could have gone into his brain his brother stabbing him my his eye out

Yeah, he has as steady as as the turkey and and it's you know, they said he should be the state bird Yes, exactly. That's what Benjamin frankly wanted to be the national bird because of its steadfastness than stamina And really Lucas the turkey of all serial killers They're in this knockdown drag-out fight Henry's got a pocket knife in his hand Which he thought was had been closed and he punched his mother and he goes he punches her and she passes out he thinks that he's just punched her and He runs away and but this is how strong her her hold on him was is that he actually where he went He went 300 miles away back to his mother's cabin, but when he ran away

Yeah, he's just insane like he ran away, but and he's like okay. I'm gonna sit here and wait for my punishment, but like zigzag Five minutes goes by still not at the door yet Okay, that's to your to your left. Just just to see if you go if you are I'll open the door for you Just okay, but what he did actually did unbeknownst to him. He nicked his mother. He nicked her neck not that deep But deep enough where his sister opal that he was living with his sister didn't come home for another 14 hours So Viola ended her life bleeding out on the floor Or after his son her son accidentally nicked her in the neck with a pocket knife. Hey, all right. Yeah, and so the wind But also people know a lot of songs were based off of the life of the death of Viola Lucas is also on candle in the wind

Oh, yes. Yes, if you was turned into a princess die song But don actually wrote it about the 50% toothless hooker. So it was a lie the Marilyn Monroe Reference as well all bullshit. Oh, isn't there something? So he ran back home. He was kept sat there expecting her to show up when she didn't show up for a couple days He went back to Michigan and was picked up almost immediately and was charged a second degree murder He got sentenced to 20 20 to 40 years in the state penitentiary And when he's in there he starts going a little he starts I think this is the first time he realizes that he can gain attention like he can fuck himself up or

Say crazy weird shit and it gets him attention. So he's start He has a couple of suicide attempts and he gets transferred to Ionia State Hospital Ionia State Mental Hospital and they just start Shock in his brain, which is brutal shock and when you already have goon brain. That's not making you feel more like together Yeah, also why I find interesting. It's now. We're gonna see the Robert DeSalvo Side of him come through come through where he kind of it's like that's what also to me makes him quintessentially such an American figure It's kind of like Charles Manson that thing of like he still thinks he can make it in this world Now once he's figured out a tactic he's just like I can use this for all it's worth, you know, and like it's it's kind of amazing

It's gonna follow through with the rest of his life. I mean I still again. Yeah, he's gonna murder a lot He's gonna do his pilot was actually the one that got turned down. They chose Mary Tyler Moore's pilot But yeah, he was gonna go and have a great job great television show about him succeeding in Minnesota That would have been amazing. It would have been real good. Mm-hmm. Well, he was also this is also when he starts getting all fucked up on Psychotropic drugs like Thorazine and Benadryl he said that he took a shit ton of Benadryl But the that some people it has an extremely adverse effect on and they're just pumping him full of all of these chemicals They're fucking shocking him on a daily basis the same time. He gets to putter around. Yeah

Yeah, he gets to putter around that and this is also something that happens after he gets caught Later on starts confessing is that he just is allowed to wander around wherever he likes He has to be he had to have been somewhat of a charmer because people liked him because he just kind of had that one-eyed sort of weird Little like he had like a half-smile. Yeah, and he could probably what you just you forget because after a while He's kind of got like a well, you know, we You know we it we it's got that sort of like yeah, I don't know a drone Yeah, I would maybe a charm, but I think also a sympathy case. Yeah, you know people were just like you would I think at this point It might be a hate crime to hit him

Like he's like so disabled that you're just gonna like I got to be nice to him because otherwise I'm a dickhead Well, Henry Lucas. Yeah, and he did have some Intelligence to him because what he did when he was at the state hospital exactly like Ed Kemper They leave him alone in the records room So he would read all of these police records about all these criminally insane guys He would reel their records and see how they got caught and this is where he got his fucking inspiration Is that he knew that? Police departments don't talk to each other, especially back then in the 70s and 80s

He said that police departments did not talk to each other So when he would commit a crime he just hop over to the next state Yeah, literally put him anywhere else like put him in a science lab and he would learn nothing Yeah, but they're like let's put him in the only room that has all the knowledge He needs to become the serial killer. He wants to be now let's are the lieutenant Thompson All right, now this file is called to how to be a drifter killer. Okay. I do not want you to leave it outside on a desk I don't want you to leave it anywhere inside of a file cabinet. Technically this shouldn't exist But we're gonna keep it just in case now

I'm gonna go outside and get a bagel because I'm a Jewish police officer. I will be gone You sit here with this file and don't do anything with it Especially if a one-eyed guy with all of the potential in the world to be a drifter killer walks in here. All right All right, I got it. You got it. You don't wear pants today private. Yeah, that's all right I haven't been wearing in the past couple of days. All right. Well. Yeah, look, I'm it's leggy summer. Hey Henry come on in here. I got something for you to read. I came read you got to read it to me. All right Sit down. I'm about to tell you how your life is gonna change forever So he got out

Uh, he actually got out after only ten years or actually it was more like eight or nine He for killing his mother he got out due to overcrowding And they over so who was in yeah I guess I mean at this point right so the criminal record at this point is just a couple of robberies and this I guess Accidental an accidental death. Yeah, that you could actually and he was doing his psychiatrist You know again his all of the psychiatrists. They were you know saying that yes, he has a lot of problems One of the psychiatrists called him excessively needy

Who's being a real ex-girlfriend Yeah, and so they a lot of them were like, yeah, this guy's real fucked up But yeah, he could be out you can let this guy out Yeah, and he's fine and then he begged to not be let out. Yeah, he said if you let me out, I will kill I will kill so basically what we're watching is again. It's our institutions themselves Created our perfect killers like we see again and again and again. We made Charles Manson. We made Fucking Osama bin Laden. Yeah, we made like all these people made Jeffrey Dahmer

We made all these people and just shipped him out. Yeah Well, I mean you can't just let everybody stay in prison who wants to stay in prison at that point It was a real club club med Opposite for mr. Henry. I would be like always keep the ones in prison that beg to stay I know I know that's keep them in there Yeah, they want to stay there then there's a very good reason why they want to stay there Henry Lucas he claims he claim this is another one of his big claims He claims to have killed two women the day he was released from prison

Well, he said a lot of shit. He said a lot of shit and we're gonna be getting into the next 13 years of his life in the next episode We're gonna bring in Audit's tool his partner in crime and I would say these guys were the the Bushwhackers of serial WWE tank The Legion of Doom the Legion of Doom Terror twins Absolutely. Yeah, what's it the the bash brothers? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a regular Mark McGuire this guy Yeah, yeah, except for who we stare we suck in each other's dick and killing women for Satan. Yeah Yeah, it's kind of bash brothers, but maybe a more

Not an attractive couple. No Although I am gonna post a picture on the Facebook page of these two guys in happier times It's just smiling Smiling and you know fucking Henry's eyes kind of going off to the right and he's got a well groomed mustache They look like a couple of buddies, you know like they look like they were you know in the 1970s like quote-unquote Roommates, yeah, but they were boinkin. They were yeah, they were both boinking sounds cute to me. It's more like Thunder it. Yeah, you know like they were did like it was a weird combo the two of them And I just when I look at them what the smell I think of is pubic hair and cigarettes. Oh, totally

Really really made of pubic hair the idea of like you've been smoking naked And you've been leaving the cigarette like when you're not smoking it. Yeah, I said in your pubic hair I'm just gonna ask you that fucking stink like the tip of your dick smells like fucking your sweat and also cigarette smell Oh, yeah, man. I've been to a bar in Florida. Yeah, and that's just you guys just loving that So much the willing to choke down on that cock until it comes down there threats Yeah, yeah, it's a bunch of a lot of orange through an orangey kind of feel there That's yeah, a rusted a rusted man. Mm-hmm. All right What a great intro to Henry Lee Lucas. We've got a good foundation of his early life. Yeah, we're gonna next episode

We're gonna get into his mildly retarded child bride We're gonna get into anyone else just want to spray for breeze Yeah, this is definitely a heavy hitter because I feel disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good sign No Friday when I was a research in all this like it was just a weird day They're dirty the whole day. It was I felt just weird and dirty and off the whole fucking day It was weird, but we got through it and we're gonna get into a Yeah, how to be a drifter. So I hope just someone's getting married tonight. I hope you're listening to this happy marriage

I hope you have a wonderful time and remember when you're driving through Virginia and you're like look at these people This is the cleanest they've ever been You know, so just imagine what the what the 1930s 40s 50s and 60s were for can I am country people Can I plug something before we and This is me saying of course hello Thank you as always for listening your pretty face is going hell season 2 comes out this Sunday at 12 15 July 12th an adult swim if you can watch this show it would mean a lot to me is this is the This is just as important to me as last podcast. It's my it's a favorite thing. I've ever been paid to do

Unfortunately, we're not really at the money-making stage of last podcast yet, but it's like a point where it's like a please watch it We put a lot of work into it, and I think it's really fucking funny 12 15 p.m This next Sunday here. Yes, July 12th. July 12 inhale Satan adults will sweet. I can't wait. I'm very excited Thank you. I'm gonna watch that episode as well Let's say do we want to say anything? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately. We lost one of our biggest fans this week And if anybody out there, you know is feeling real fucking bad And if you're thinking about suicide or anything like that, please tell somebody Please get a hold of somebody. There are a lot of suicide hotlines online that you can check out and everyone in the group is

fantastic and Cooper was a real fucking cool dude, and He's the type of people we do this shit for yeah, that's right. He was a good man, and it's absolutely It's I'm just gonna say straight up say suicide is totally horseshit And you should reach out Nothing where where there's life. There's hope just keep just keep moving forward You can change things for yourself Cooper already tried to do that several times, and I know that it was a difficult road for him But when it comes down to it to choose to be alive always

It's so much worth it, and you know cuz yeah, we don't have that long on this earth anyway No, so I Satan hates the suicide. Say that's that's also a name of a great metal band It's a suicide. All right Fucking him stay alive for Satan because our jobs are to deliver truth to everyone. All right. Yes We love you guys very very much hail yourselves everyone Yeah, and thank you everyone on the page is being fucking fantastic about all this stuff So please keep being awesome each other. Please keep being there for each other And yeah, I'll gain everyone. I'll me as well

I don't mean to I'm sorry about the plug before we got serious I did it before we got serious. I feel be bad if I did it now if you did it now it would be weird It's like yes, you know hail our friend Cooper Borg who unfortunately took us Be sure to go by the counting album And thanks for all the support here on CCR. We love oh as always you guys are out the absolute best and We love you and by we love you. We mean we fucking hate you. You're dumb. Oh, you're doing one of those. Yeah It makes me want you more also for those of you They're gonna be in San Diego for the San Diego Comic-Con. I'm gonna be there all up balls deep into fucking comic-con

I'm doing the Aquatine you're pretty face is going to hell panel on Friday afternoon And I'll be doing the heroes panel on Sunday afternoon and haul G whatever that big fucking thing is But this is my fucking call to action if I see you listen to me If I see anybody wearing the last podcast and left shirt, I'm gonna give you a dollar I'm gonna give them a dollar. I'm gonna give it for fans. I am one dollar You're almost worse than Henry the Lucas is whore of a mother I'm just saying this I will give you a dollar you come up to me

You find me person you give me a dollar and I will tell you this I will leave no stone unturned when I have the fucking microphone to deliver the truth about the nature of our fucking Reality and our government and about the elite bloodlines Right there are part of the ruling bodies of the entire world, so I need your support I need you to be there because what it's not the spear of truth without the fucking shaft So basically whoever wears the last podcast shirt and then sees you perform will slowly take off their last podcast shirt and pretend like they Don't know you yes, okay, that's I'll give you a fucking dog. That's not even joke. You better fucking wear them shirts Yes, wear the shirts. Yes, please

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