Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 185: Henry Lee Lucas Part IV - I Belong To The Devil

Episode Date: July 29, 2015

The saga of Henry Lee Lucas comes to an end as we cover his last (and possibly only) killing spree, the various well meaning but dead wrong Christians who helped him along his way, and his post-capture life as the favorite pet of the Texas Rangers.

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We've got to go back to Drifterland. We're talking again. Let's get back into the mood of Henry Lucas and Audis to the world of the hand of death. All right. First thing I want to do, you're going to want to do. All right. Before we even start, instead of you go to the gym, take those gym shorts you got. Yeah. Right. And just work out and work out inside of them for like a week with no washing. Right. Then go take a shit. Like first, I mean, go get a bunch of Indian food and maybe a bunch of tamales, maybe some Mexican, right? And eat it to the point where you're almost throwing up. Then take a rancid shit in the toilet.

And while you're taking that shit, smell the shit through the pants, the pants up against your own face. All right. And then literally eat an entire cigar. We are now in the mental headspace of Henry Lucas and Audis to. Right. And take a hammer to a couple of your teeth while you're at it. Finger retarded girl. All right. Well, I mean, to be fair to Henry, that is where our story picks back up. Which Henry are we being fair to?

Both, neither. Oh, right. There's a fine line between Henry Zabrowski and our main character, Henry Lee Lucas. That's right. I'd also say by each chapter of the Henry Lee Lucas story, we can just start talking about how this is two knuckles deep inside of Becky. Last week's episode was just the tip. Just leave Becky alone. Can we leave Becky alone? We can leave Becky alone, but you know what? What Henry Lee Lucas says is that he left Becky alone as well.

Now, if you'll remember, we're picking back up, of course, the last two episodes ran parallel to each other. Much like books four and five of Game of Thrones. Yeah. I'm going to do it. I threw it down. Yeah. We got a nerd alert three minutes in. They ran parallel to each other, so we're coming back with Audis Tool, heading back to Jacksonville, Florida, and leaving Henry Lee Lucas and Becky alone to travel on to California.

Now, we don't know the actual truth about Henry and Becky's relationship. Only what certain people who knew them reported. Again, the idea is we don't know any truth about any of this. Henry Lee Lucas literally lied about every single section of the story. We're going to see this as we go. We're going to get into the confessions. Legitimately, it's because they're wildly different. It's not slightly different. It goes from, I killed 1,000 to 1,500 people in the name of the devil to I killed no one. And then also, with the same thing with his relationship with Becky,

we're going to see it right here because he says that they never actually had sex with each other because Henry could literally only have sex with dead bodies, which in my head is it, which is worse. Right. That is the funniest defense that Henry Lee Lucas has for not having sex with Becky. I just have sex with corpses. So you got their relationship is just slightly more disgusting than Juliette Lewis's relationship with Rodney Dangerfield in the movie Natural Born Killers. If you remember that pair, that sitcom parody where Rodney Dangerfield goes tell her to take a shower

and get all clean for me. One of the most disgusting scenes in cinematic history. Yeah. And from what Henry said, he didn't actually know how to quote unquote, love a woman. What does that mean? Does that mean physically love? Is it like a sex thing? Like he legitimately was like, I kept sticking it into Billy, but it's mostly what I'm used to. When you get a lady corpse, you can make the hole wherever the hell you want. Right.

That's why I like it because sometimes I like it up near the face. I know she's got a mouth, but it's just something about making a new one. Yeah, that's my fate. Like you have your, you know, your Leonardo DiCaprio. You'll never know how to love one woman because there's too many women out there that want them. But then really Lucas literally didn't know how to do it. And this is not going to be the last time we compare him to Leonardo DiCaprio. Now, when I say he didn't know how to quote unquote, love a woman,

it is both physically and emotionally. What he said is that Becky fucking wanted it. He said that she was begging for it every night, that she was dressing provocatively, and that she had grown to be a woman from the little girl that he once knew. But he said that he never once gave in a temptation, even though she would rub on him every night in their hotels. He would always leave. He would be a gentleman.

He'd always leave, go to a bar or a truck stop, or a truck stop, kill a woman, rape her corpse, and then come back to the hotel, wash off all the blood, and get back into bed with Becky because he was a gentleman. I haven't read a lot of Anne Landers. I haven't read a lot of those sort of like, you know, manners thing. Is that a gentlemanly thing to not have sex? Again, I guess it's true, you're not having sex with a 13-year-old, but you're still the killing rate.

Yeah, that's worse. I'm going to go ahead and make the value judgment here. You know, it's worse. I can't stop thinking that Becky just looks like Honey Boo Boo, and then like I just see Henry Lucas as a little sugar bear, and she's like, I won't never touch you. I'll never touch you, go kill a woman. Henry, you look truly confused on if raping and killing a woman

is better than having sex with your child, Brad. I'll put it this way, all right? You're not a judge. Henry is not a judge in any court of law. If you give a child, Brad, an orgasm, is that legal marriage? Illegal, illegal, illegal. But what about love, though? Yeah, we call it that.

If he loves her, then he doesn't have sex with her. That's how you treat... That's when people didn't know that that song is actually about that. It's about their whole relationship. You're ruining her 1980s classic, huh? So by January of 1982, the pair had no car and were reduced to hitchhiking when, outside of Himmet, California, a businessman named Jack Smart spotted the two

and took pity on the filthy little couple, picked him up. He should have been Jack dumb. So Jack and his wife ran a local antique store. They were always in need of extra laborers because in an antique store, you have a lot of refurbishing to do. You have to do a lot of rebuilding on old furniture. Again, who doesn't work well with fragile antique furniture than a one-eyed, eyedripping, toothless drifter

and his 13-year-old retarded child bride? Again, perfect exactly what you want in the front of the store. Well, sir, I kind of got a cat's tongue so I can just lick some old paint off of wood. I can do anything for you. I don't know, why did they work up like an ice cream shop? You can really get their charm working. You go into a cold stone and just a drip from his eye

lands on the cookies and cream ice cream and he's like, I hope they didn't see that. Now, have you seen it? That's 15 cents extra. That's what people like. Now, what I've got here is got vanilla or cockroach and this is old tobacco leaves. I like to call that drifter Sunday.

Oh, Henry Lee Lucas Cold Stone. Well, the smarts, I mean, they hired Henry as a carpenter and they gave the pair a small apartment above their store and the smarts, they do say at this time that Henry would sometimes disappear for days at a time but not even Becky knew where he was. Because all he had to do was put a fucking blanket over Becky's head and she'd go to sleep.

Like a bird. Yeah. The smarts, the smarts, they didn't really think much of it because they were actually charmed by Henry. He had a laid back attitude. He had this hick Southern twang which people out in California, I can attest actually find Southern accents, Texas accents. They find them very charming.

It's like they like to pat you on the head. Like, oh, look at that cute little idiot. Oh, look at him, but in reality, they're out raping and killing all over the country. Definitely. I'm with Henry. There's nothing smart about this guy. He's definitely dumb.

He's not a businessman. He just keeps shit around his house. Henry Lucas is not a carpenter. He just called him a carpenter. This guy just lives in a fantasy land. He's just a hoarder. Yeah. He's just Jack Smart.

And he's just like, hi, my name's Jack Smart. But he's got like pants up to below his nipples. He's got a weird like yo-yo the cartoon, the yo-yo boy from his yo-yo days where he went to his yo-yo camp. He's got like a spinny hat on. I'm the first one in my family to graduate from Tying Shoe School.

So while the smarts, they say that they loved having Becky and Henry around. Eventually, they got word that Jack's wife's mother, who lived back in Texas, was getting to the point of not being able to take care of herself anymore. Her name was Kate Rich. She was a feisty and independent old widow

who refused help from anyone who offered, everyone knows, the stubborn old woman, knowing that she would not accept any offers of help. Her family actually tricked her into taking in Henry and Becky, letting her think that the pair would be dependent on her rather than the other way around. They told her that Henry was just a down-on-his-look

roofer and electrician. He just needed a second chance. And Becky, they were totally up front about the 14-year-old child bride thing. They're like, yeah, you know, he's in his, you know, he's in his late 30s, early 40s. He's married to this little girl, and this little girl, you know, she's great.

He's literally his blood reeks. He said, I heard him utter something under his breath about how he could only fuck the dead. And Becky, Becky is also, she's got the brain of a tomato, and she's dressed like a toy soldier for some reason, but they think they're going to be great with you in that house, and they will be entirely dependent on you.

Right. And by the way, Becky needs Jesus in her life. Remember again, this is also Henry Lee Lucas' side of the story. This is the hand-of-death version of this story. No, no, no, no, this actually came from, this came from the smarts. This, what they, what the smarts said.

You can't trust the smarts. No, you can't trust the smarts. They called him a roofer and electrician. So far, he's been, he's had three jobs I'm not nearly qualified for, and this man's just a mass murderer with one drippy eye. It takes a year of training to be an electrician. They just, is that what happened in the 70s and 80s? I'm a basketball player.

Oh, I want to be, I'm a Pittsburgh Steeler linebacker. Sir, that's just a dead bird. It's not a basketball or football you have in your hands. I tackled it. I'm a basketball player. Yeah, so, whatever. Nothing but newt. What?

You know, the newt, the basketball newt. No, no. It's a net. No, no, no, net is what you use to catch whales. I'm a basketball player, I should know. Yeah. So, Kate jumped at the deal because really the clincher for her was they told her that

Becky needed Jesus. Right. And so she just absolutely brought them in. They arrived in the rural town of Ringgold, Texas by bus in May of 1982, a town of less than 100. The Wikipedia page does not mention Henry Lee Lucas at all. And this is actually my part of Texas. This whole saga happened just a little under two hours away

from where I grew up. The surrounding towns include Petrolia. Oh, I love Petrolia. Yeah. Next after oil. Yes. Oh, all the flowers smell like wet oil. Sugden and McGargle.

Beautiful, beautiful McGargle where all the street lamps are just tongues like in a weird Kronenberg universe where the mailboxes are alive and screaming because they're being punished for being gay in real life right when they were alive. You know, I've actually realized while researching this that all three of us have our very own serial killer in the places where we grew up.

Ben, you've got Ed Gein and Henry, you've got son of Sam and I've got Henry Lee Lucas. You can have him. At least Ed Gein was actually a carpenter and he could actually work with electricity. Ed Gein had skills. He was an upholster. David Berkowitz was a mailman.

Isn't that a job? Right, yes. But Henry Lee Lucas had adaptability. And son of Sam could talk to dogs. Magical world that son of Sam lived in. But he'll be for another episode. That's where son of Sam is like Ben. Yes.

Turns out it wants food. So Kate immediately took a shine to both Becky and Henry just like the smarts did. She saw Becky as a lost soul to be saved and Henry is just one of the most charming men that she'd met in forever. But the people of Ringgold found Henry and his one eye to be quote a bit spooky.

Weird though, why? This is literally the people of Ringgold if you can put a left shoe on to your right foot you're the mayor. Like that's how dumb these people are. And really Lucas was the creepy one. The town scientist realized that trees weren't giant hairy monsters.

He's like don't shoot the trees you're wasting bullets. They're not alive turns out. Well, the people of Ringgold of course they found them both to be a little off-putting as they were also just constantly filthy. They never bathed. They were always just dirty dirty dirty people. But the fact that Henry Lucas was very charming to Kate Rich

but the people of Ringgold just found him extremely creepy. That isn't surprising. You see this in a lot of psychopaths because they only show their real face to people who can do something for them. The people of Ringgold could do nothing for them. So, you know, they got the truck stop treatment. They got the treatment that everybody,

every stranger who ran across Henry Lucas got. But Kate Rich got the charm. But the people of Ringgold couldn't do anything for them. They're not just a bunch of Simon Cowles. They're the makers. They couldn't put them on the TV. I can't believe that people of Ringgold couldn't do anything for them. Henry, we got to say all of the townspeople who got together and decided that you,

you've got the X factor. In Hollywood, Texas, where you're going to play the symbol in the Christmas parade. There isn't a Hollywood, Texas, but there's a Miami, Texas, which is spelled Miami, but is pronounced Miami. Oh, so it's extra retarded. That's very nice.

Very good. But he's actually, he should have put on his charming face for the people of Ringgold, because the owner of the general store, he noticed that this drifter and his child bride were constantly showing up and charging beer to Kate Rich's account,

telling them that Kate Rich sent him on a beer run, even though Kate Rich, this old woman who had lived in Ringgold her entire life and Jesus fear in woman had never once bought beer. And usually when you send friends on to a beer run, you don't tell them to bring it back inside their body, because it's really difficult to get it out. You got to do the whole process.

So the people, the guy that owned the general store, he calls up Kate's family and they tell them, what they actually tell them is they go, you know what, we're going to sit tight on this for a little while. And so they waited for a while, another six months or so, or actually knows about another two months or so.

They waited for a little while. And then finally the general store called the bags like, yeah, this drifter is still hanging around and he's still charging beer to your mother's account. So they went down. The thing about drifters is that they don't ever fix themselves. You know what I mean? Drifters love being drifters.

And as long as it stays comfortable, drifters are going to be there for forever. That's another drifter rule, is don't drift if there's free beer. Absolutely not. Yeah, that's perfect. And it's not going to be a problem in conditions. Yeah, remember, you don't choose the drifter life.

The drifter life chooses you. I've seen chapter three. You've chosen the drifter life. Right. Still. So the family arrived at Kate's house to find hardened food splattered on the stove and walls, a kitchen sink overflowing with dirty dishes,

tract and mud covering all the floors, and a smell that mixed sweat with a three pack a day habit and rotten food. A smell mixed with sweat, three pack a day habit and rotten food would also be the chemical components

of a drifter-scented Yankee candle. Ooh, where can I buy it? For mom, I need drifter. He keeps a mason jar full of his physical smell because it comes off of him in sheets in the night. And it hardens.

And what you do is you stick a tampon string through the middle of it and it's just a wick for the candle. And it regenerates itself every two weeks. So he's always got some on him. He scrapes it out from underneath his belly folds. Isn't that great?

It's a good self-made business. So they found, when the family walked in, they found Lucas and Becky sleeping on the floor even though they were couches and beds available. They were sleeping on the floor sleeping off a hangover. They woke up Lucas.

He's so quiet. I'll go. I'll leave. I first want to say, number one, it's been a pleasure drifting with y'all. Here is my comment card if you would please give me an A to F. It's not whether or not you enjoyed my stay,

but if you felt I lived up to the drifter expectations. So while Hitchhiking to the nearest largest town, Wichita Falls, which is also kind of a shithole in its own right, Henry and Becky were picked up by a preacher named Reuben Moore who ran a small religious community

called the House of Prayer. Unfortunately, the house itself was actually just a real long chicken coop about 10 miles south of Ringold where they started off. I would also now go to say, according to Henry and Lucas' word

and even Audis' tool recognition they're talking about each other's lives, this is supposed to be what Henry considered to be the happiest moments of his life. We're at the House of Prayer. So take that in mind. When you say house Henry, you do mean chicken coop still.

Now in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord went ahead and put insulation on that house and put a door on that house and put walls on that house and put chairs in that house. As the Lord did, in reality it was chicken coop, but the Lord thought about it

and in our hearts and minds you could barely hear the bats that would gather at night. So Henry said as far as killing goes that this was perfect cover for him because he was living in this Christian community

who again totally accepted this middle-aged one-eyed drifter and his child bride completely accepted them with open arms and this wasn't like it was the 20's or 30's because out there, living's rough.

There's not a whole lot of women to go along with all the men. So back in those days, 14-year-old bride was not the most uncommon thing. This was 1981. Yeah, that's the whole thing. We have like almost the internet.

It's not 1914, 1814, sure nobody knows people don't know where they were born. They don't know when they were born. Toons, everyone had cereal and random other amazing frozen pizzas to eat. Yeah, I was personally

I was five years out from living two hours away from this place. Yes, we did have an Inbred family named the Muleys who still live there to this day still practicing their lifestyle. Yes, that is a reality in 2015. The McNeelys are Inbred. Right.

That's the truth. Yes, Holden McNeely from the Round Table of Gentlemen is the product of Incest. Yeah, that is actually that is true. Yeah, his grandparents were literally first cousins. Well, he did a great job sitting in for the live last podcast of the left show. Thanks for coming out and thanks for watching

on the live stream. And thanks. Yes, thanks to all 1000 of you. We will be doing that every month from now on. But back to Henry Lee Lucas, Henry said as our Henry said that this yes this was the happiest time of his life because as far as killing went he could go

he could slip in and out of the house of prayer aka chicken coop and go out, kill, come back and pretty much go unnoticed. It was all going perfectly until Becky found religion.

Every fucking time. A perfectly good Drifter satanic murder couple and she's got to go ahead and sign up with that stinky desert wizard. What? I ruined this lifestyle. This fun.

We're living in a chicken coop. I was looking at a chicken and I said chicken if you give me an egg I believe in Jesus and then sure enough chicken gave you shattered egg right into my hands. Oh, that's not egg. That's just real big shit.

It was one of them little brown eggs. I just nibbled it right up. So, Becky, she'd been congregating with the people at the house of prayer and she's also still making regular visits to Kate Rich and Becky had decided

that her conscience needed cleansing. Now this is another excerpt from The Hand of Death. This is how Henry said this conversation went. He had just gotten back from a particularly brutal killing

spree. When he comes home he gets out of his car Becky runs up to him, takes him out of her arms and says He hit me. Becky exclaimed throwing her arms around his neck. I met Jesus and he's alive with me.

He kept telling himself The actual pass, she just found the cocaine left hidden in our room. So, Becky, technically she was still a fugitive because if you'll remember Henry and Audis about a year before had broken her out

of a juvenile detention facility and she thought that the only way that she could become a good Christian woman was to return to Florida and serve her time. And it took a lot of nagging Henry to convince him to leave the chicken coop and to head back to Jacksonville.

And eventually Henry under great protest relented and set off back to Jacksonville with Becky deciding hitchhiking, that's the way to go. But unfortunately the first We've been staying in one place for too long and yes, technically

still it fits your drifter code because the coop does not have walls or a driveway. So it's still not technically at home. But you know what, it's true my boots need some dust. Becky is just a modern day version of those Australian girls

who went to join ISIS. If you're 14 in one adventure just hold on, I promise you college will be fun. So the two so the night that they set out nobody in Texas was in the mood to pick them up. So the two decided

to sleep outside for the night Henry started hitting the ball that he brought along with him pretty hard he was absolutely furious because they had left the comfortable confines of a chicken coop for this two blankets on the hard ground he said we were past this

we didn't need to do this anymore we had the chicken coop, we had the house of prayer it was fine but the circles, the biggest chicken I'm in in that coop was the best friend I have ever made in my life and you made me tubes give me aisles ultimatum between me and cuckles

and yes maybe, just maybe I did murder chocolate I did murder cuckles two, three nights ago and proceeded to eat him but still his spirit was there. Yep I love cuckles. So he told her

he said to hell with this we ain't going to Florida we're going to sleep here tonight and the next morning we're heading back to the house of prayer because we got a good life there and she in a Christian rage opened up her hand and just smacked him

and Henry possibly thinking back to the abuse his mother had doled out to him in childhood or just being a raging lunatic or just being a raging lunatic one of the two lost control and stabbed Becky right in the chest and as to what happened next

Henry said well I took her panties in broth and had sex with her I mean I just one of those things I guess it's just got to be a part of my life having sexual intercourse with the dead you know what I can't stop eating sugar you know so everyone's got their own vices

everyone's got a thing I still smoke about a pack of cigarettes a week good yeah it keeps me fun I dip peanut butter in sugar now oh yeah call it my adult popsicle I don't think that's good man

I don't think that's good can you still feel your feet no no they're turning brown some say it's diabetes but I said come get me so after he was done he said that he cut her body into little pieces and stuffed the parts

into three pillowcases that they had brought along with them who knows why just pillowcases that's never a good sign it's against the Drifter Code to have anything comfortable you're not allowed right

he took the pillowcases full of the tiny chunks of his child bride and scattered them across the barren texas landscape he said it was the only time he ever felt remorse so the next morning after killing Becky Henry returned to the house of prayer

just teary-eyed and weeping I telling the congregation that Becky had left with the first truck driver that stopped for him and more the Ruben Moore, the guy that ran the house of prayer said later that even though

he sympathized with Henry's plight he firmly believed that the 14 year old was better off with some random truck driver that picked him up off the side of the road than she was with Henry Lee Lucas let's just put it this way

um, Becky's you know the song, your future's so bright you gotta wear shades Becky's life is the opposite of that song right, no shades needed she needs some like a flashlight

for her future yeah, we're being picked up by a truck driver on I mean and I know like these roads terrified that's Sylvester Stallone taking her to an arm wrestling competition to get his son back

you wanna see me go over to the top I'm about to take his big armor man, I'm going up over the top with him that's Sylvester Stallone on Quailudes so Henry hadn't made the same impression on the house of prayer

that he had with Kate Rich weird though yeah, weird because Henry said it was the happiest time in his life but the people of the house of prayer not of the same opinion necessarily

again, it's like the house guest it's sort of like the movie house guest with Sinbad? yeah, with Sinbad got a lot more out of the house than they got from him and then vice versa so does Henry Lee Lucas go and teach some lessons about life and love and like take the teenage son

and teach him about dating and teach the dad about fun and joy in his middle ages no but he does return without Becky and does continue the same lifestyle and I mentioned Kate Rich earlier she had heard about

how Lucas had returned to the house of prayer without Becky because remember, Becky had been visiting Kate Rich regularly during this entire time worried about her well being Kate arranged for Henry to take her to church about a month after Becky disappeared

Henry showed up early that day and told Kate like listen, I know him early but I just wanted to head over the state line into Oklahoma to grab some beer before church oh of course you always drink about what 12, 15 beers before church absolutely

what's a second pack of cigarettes without a third or fourth thing of a six pack of beer and then having to crawl into church because you know I you know, because it's like you gotta have that smell

on top of the incense with your body and your blood stink and your weeping eye like you put a great distance to that house you know what also this also reminds me of it just cracks me up it's like Charles and Charles

yeah there were several plots to movies and television shows in the 80s and 90s about a drifter that just showed up it just made everybody's life better and everyone just a thought

that met him just thought that this was the beginning of one of these movies that he's just roughed around the edges so Henry after driving back he got the beer and started as he said started drinking as soon as he left the store

before he even got into the car he was the world's coolest guy I didn't know that until now yeah, so he popped open a beer and on the way back to church Kate started to insinuate that maybe it was Henry's fault

that Becky left the guy who went over the state lines before church to get beer he was at fault for Becky's leaving? well, she was insinuating as such you need to tell me that she thought that Henry Lucas who had blood stink disappeared for weeks on end

and lived happily in a chicken coop couldn't keep a marriage together? she insinuated that maybe it was Henry's fault Henry started getting very annoyed at her accusations and then Kate started insinuating and asking questions like

where's Becky? like I don't believe you she started to say like I don't believe that she left with this trucker what did you do to her and Henry spun off the road stopped out a knife stabbed Kate right in the side multiple times got out of the car pulled

the old woman out and had sex with her corpse we're failing to you know you just browsed over the fact he did three donuts in a row perfectly parallel parallel parked his car was one of the cooler stops of all time yeah

he did the the McGargle Drift that's when she started calling this the most inferious nine the McGargle Drift yes yeah absolutely except it was he did the parallel park near Lonely Oil Derrick

little Lonely Pumpjack oh I thought that was a man named Lonely Oil Derrick who's just a man covered in oil being like I could be rich you boldly I hate a bookie a nice oil a nice little oil spout or as they call him in Texas

a Texas palm tree kind of fun so he then after having sex with the corpse cut the body in the small chunks as he had with Becky drove back to the house of prayer and burned the body in the communal kitchen until there was nothing

left but small bone fragments and ashes Henry what you cooking in there okay okay did you say cake cake yeah did I what was my fake answer you know what they also will say

too is that in the confessions of Henry Lucas this is a thing where of all of the lies he will tell and the stories he will make up when they go to this oven in the house in the house of prayer they will find Kate's glasses in the ashes

where he burned it so there are there's a little connection same thing with Becky where they said later on they believe they found her body dismembered out in the middle of the desert these are where the weird things of like Henry Lucas may, his opposite

absolutely not telling the whole truth but there are moments of truth he definitely killed this one yeah there are, these are the only crimes where there is any physical evidence whatsoever everything else is hearsay conjecture and Henry's

own confession which confessions mean jack shit in a court of law did they ever find the bones of cuckles no cause he likes it he like the bonus, put them in scrap of them and he keep them in a little bag around his fucking neck because he's like

cuckles of me will never be a part but about Kate Rich was she just an unassuming old Christian woman according to the hand of death Kate was actually

hard as nails incapable of any crime money was the god of her life and she'd do anything to turn a profit the night that Henry killed her he watched as a young black man dressed like a New York pimp

which is just how we thought all black men dressed, they were just, he was probably wearing a t-shirt and jeans and a man who appeared to be a banker again a man with anything but a drifter outfit which is a leather dress with no shirt on and

ripped pants and they met with Kate and left late and after they left Henry killed her cut an upside down cross between her sagging breasts stuffed her in a bag and threw her in a culvert you don't gotta mention that her boobs

are sagging this is a dead woman well Max Cole mentioned that her boobs were sagging I'm just quoting the man himself I don't think Max Coleman found women to be attracted I don't think so either and after this Henry supposedly went on his final spree

heading out to California here's how the hand of death describes his trip without Becky he was lonely but his stash of cocaine LSD and angel dust gave him some solace he didn't need sleep it always gives me solace

the LSD would keep him going with the hot dry desert air streaming through the open windows of his car he laughed and shouted I belong to the devil and no one can touch me he's like Hunter S. Thompson

in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas but with no artistic talent or ability to read or write no friends no friends but when Henry ran out of money he found himself calling up Ruben Moore at the house of prayer for help but Ruben

had already been contacted by a Mr. Hound Dog Conway the sheriff of Montauk County where Ringle was located I actually think it's a hound dog to be to give a trench coat on

like the gruff to give hound dog credit he actually did solid police work in tracking down Henry Lee Lucas he had dug through Henry's past because of course Henry was the last person to be seen with Kate Rich

so he knew that this man and he had also gone out to the house of prayer and they said like well you know he did have this 14 year old child bride that he left with one night and came back the next morning and she was gone he said he had gone with a truck driver

so he started digging into Henry's past and he found that Henry had an outstanding warrant in Maryland for car theft and so he instructed Mr. he instructed Ruben Moore tell Henry it's like yeah come on back Henry

like we'll take you with open arms and so Henry arrived back at the house of prayer hound dog was there waiting for him promptly arrested him and put him in jail and that would be the last day that Henry Lee Lucas would spend as a free man

and he said this is a good day this is a good day when Henry Lee Lucas finally is off the drifting streets yeah yeah this was a very good day for law enforcement and for America in general yes the greatest drifter that America

had ever produced was off the streets now if you'll remember Henry Lee Lucas was a three pack a day smoker and drank literally pots of coffee every single day and we mentioned this the last time

and how easy is it to break this man unbelievably easy he was there he confessed to tumors Kate Rich and Becky Powell with all they needed was three days of no cigarettes and coffee they didn't even torture him at all

well they turned up the air conditioning real high anything a drifter hates is being comfortable yeah exactly anything a drifter hates cardigan weather and he calls in and he calls up over the the jailer on duty and he says I've done a terrible thing

I need to speak with Sheriff Conway and as we all know the confessions did not end with just those two when he was going to court to be arraigned already having confessed and pleading guilty he was asked if he understood that he was confessing to homicide

and would at the very least spend the rest of his life in jail Henry said that not only did he understand but he had even more to fess up to and as we know the number greatly inflated and greatly deflated over the years on that first day they asked him how many

and he said might as well start with a hundred start there and maybe it'll go up so he just thought of the biggest number okay how big is the empire state building 100 as big as that and so the confessions began

as soon as it got out that a man in Texas had confessed to hundreds of murders departments not only around the country but around the world started contacting the Texas Rangers who were in charge of coordinating all the investigations

because now we're looking at what we've seen countless numbers of times before of cops going into close cases on the confessions of this guy which is one it's kind of it's a dichotomy of reaction right because one is that it gives people closure to unsolved murders it helps families

and stuff like that because there's a lot of people will die and there's just no either the evidence has run out or it was just done too quickly or was too freak of an accident it was too freak of a disappearance and you'll never know what happened this is before DNA evidence the cops got to feel like they closed a case

the families got to feel like they had their some sort of solace and what a closure and Henry and Henry Lee Lucas got rewarded with extra steak and random ham but the worst part was hundreds of murderers went free

murderers went free people say you hear people all the time going like if he wants to confess to the crimes if he wants to take the rap then yeah just let him do it you know let him serve the time for it and that's fucking stupid because every single

one of these murders someone got away with them it destabilizes to me the entire meaning of like law enforcement and criminal justice because it just shows how it's based on perception and sort of like a

subjective truth like it's now coming from basically Henry Lucas's truth took over reality for all these cops and stuff like that so it's not the same it shows to me even more evident that there's no such thing as objective truth then how is it what is innocent and guilty

what does that even mean anymore and I'm sitting here yelling at the fish what is real and what is fake what's a hologram and what is in front of my hands am I real you're real Henry for now so the more Henry Lucas cooperated

as you said Ben the better he was treated he was never without cigarettes or coffee ever again until the end of his days his cell was completely separate from the other prisoners he even had a little space that he called his office he was living

like El Chapo and this is what Henry had to say about what happened after he started confessing to the crimes it's like being a movie star you just play in the park you know

you don't think of it you just play it make out that you're the worst serial killer in the history of the United States and that's what I did I was at home so some officers as far as

Henry Lucas's confessions and when you watch these documentaries he's like biographies any biographies about Henry Lucas you have so many officers that are trying to justify these confessions so hard they want to believe

so bad that Henry Lucas committed all of these crimes so they have it just opposite of how it's supposed to be you're supposed to be skeptical but they're just like I want to believe yeah but they had this illusion of skepticism where they say it's like well you know what

he knew things he knew certain details about the crimes that you know only the killers could know but Henry Lucas was such a skilled manipulator that he could fair it out details of a case from an investigator and feed it right back to him

like he could just get those tiny little hints those tiny little clues the tiny hints were just like so you left her in a field next to a tree right I left her in the field next to a tree yeah and they would also when he would take them out on these field trips to say like

alright yeah you know I went out and I buried this body here and the cops would come out and he'd say like yeah okay so you know it was that house right there and the cops would be like you sure about that and he'd go well yeah

I could get another pack of cigarettes and oh my yeah yeah well maybe it was over there maybe it wasn't over here maybe it was you know and they just kind of guide him along until finally

he found it and there are some victims families that are pissed off that are actually very angry that these cops pinned these crimes to Henry Lucas in particular there's a family in Lubbock

where I went to college that Henry Lucas they pinned this crime on this one of the most brutal murders in Lubbock history they pinned a crime on Henry Lucas pinned this murder on and the the family they're like no they we've seen

the evidence that Henry Lucas was not even in the state at the time that this murder happened they're letting this murderer go free and the Lubbock police they asked the Lubbock police department like no uh well they just don't want to hear it there's a documentary that I watched on ID

I love ID discovery I do too yeah that's my hotel room channel yeah it's great yeah really creep out the cleaning ladies so they don't steal your shit but there is a family of a daughter of a girl and they went and they told

the sheriff they're like we don't think he did it and they were just like he did it man please get out of here they're so mean to the families of these victims yeah absolutely and not only that not only was Henry able to manipulate them but he was also heavily medicated during his entire time

with the Texas Rangers when they were bringing in all these people they he thought he was a psychopath he was a psychopath so they had him pumped full of Thorazine and so he's sitting there like literally the most agreeable fucker on the face of the planet and then as soon as he detoxed because he he moved jails

and then it was or he went to the hospital where they didn't put him on Thorazine anymore and then he immediately said I didn't do anything but then at the same time like six months later he creates the hand of death story which is created in those phone calls between him and Otis Tool

they talk about that all the time then he goes on to recant and come back like five or six times up until his death and the last things he said that there's when you see the confessions of Henry Lee Lucas that the audio we played the last time is that place it took place near the end of

his life where he says I never did anything and I didn't kill a single person not even my mother then it cuts to two weeks before that where he says that his number his definite number is 150 right and I was wondering what he was doing in that office that you mentioned earlier

in the jail and he was really working on do not bother me I will be doing my work in my study and even before that like when it eventually went to zero there's this fantastic article written for the Dallas Observer that was written near the end of his life

where this journalist talks about how he had gotten he had gotten access to Henry Lee Lucas because he wanted to write about all of the false claims wanted to write about the families the claim that Henry Lee Lucas didn't actually do it

and when this writer got a hold of him he goes alright there were three people alright that's a wow okay so three people and then pretty soon afterwards this writer gets contacted by this lawyer and this lawyer says like hey

you need to come and visit me in my office I got something that I need to show you this writer shows up this journalist shows up and the guy says alright here's what I have to show you come on in darlin and he said this is Becky Powell that's what he said

he said this is Becky Powell this is actually this is Henry Lee Lucas's child bride all grown up and the woman did look like Becky Powell she did she had a scar on the same place on her face and she knew things about Henry Lee Lucas

that not many other people knew and so it went on for a little while and this journalist is starting to think and what she said what happened that night is that Becky actually did get into the truck with the truck driver and she went off and changed her name

because she decided like that the whole Christian story she said wasn't true but she just wanted to get out of there she changed her name and she didn't even know that Henry Lee Lucas was a serial killer until she saw his face on a paperback

in a bookstore years later and she wants to go pick it up thinking that it was Henry and Lucas just super tiny and sitting in the bookstore and she was like Henry where have you been all this time you know kissing the book kissing the book it's like wait just take it

she just wanted them paper movies so days go by and this journalist is kind of starting to believe a little bit and then he suddenly gets a phone call and this is how far Henry Lee Lucas went with this shit he gets a phone call from the supposed Becky Powell saying

listen I'm not Becky Powell I actually am in contact with Henry Lee Lucas I read about his story I got a hold of him and he's one of those women that becomes obsessed with a serial killer and gets a hold of them in prison

and Henry Lee Lucas convinced her to pose as Becky Powell for his own amusement where did you learn this again Marcus it's a great Dallas Observer article it's highly interesting

it's just like why go so far with the lie why do that after you already confess to so many other things and have recanted back and forth it's the sign of a true psychopath he gets off just on the story yeah and they actually

in this same article the writer asked a Texas Ranger it's like why is he doing this and the Texas Ranger said hey that's just the way Lucas is the guy's like a circus that won't leave town yeah I mean he's got a lot of time on his hands so I guess that's sort of the devil's workshop

Henry Lee Lucas would have been great on the moth oh my god I'd love to hear his storytelling abilities and polygraph tests on him were completely useless because they could never tell which of his statements were true and which of them were false

that's the thing if you just start lying on a polygraph test you can manipulate those very easily yeah that's why they're inadmissible in court every single question like they tried multiple times they tried every operator they could to try to trip them up never not one of them could get it they asked him

and so this is he was sentenced to death he was responsible for closing hundreds of cases across America and then when he was basically he was finally going to go and could be committed to death was it the chair or was it the was it the shot

in 2005 it would have been the shot Texas had long since I think they were going to dress him in a gorilla suit and put him in a Chuck E. Cheese and make him drum himself to death I love an ornate's death but he was inexplicably the only prisoner to have his death sentence

commuted by George W. Bush during his time as Texas governor which is interesting because why 9-11 think about it and let's go and I'm going to go ahead and put forth two executions that happened during

George W. Bush's two terms as Texas governor or one and a half before he turned it over to Rick Perry he executed one Carla Fay Tucker which we mentioned in our acts murderers episode which he should have been totally down with

commuting her sentence she had of course changed to an evangelical belief she had a big movement behind her to get commuter's sentence and two if we will all remember correctly he murdered a retarded man

a black fellow a black guy that killed a woman with a pair of scissors he had an IQ of I think 60 55 something like that well there's just something about this man that I see myself in I see myself in Henry Lee Lucas

or was it the long nefarious arm that was attached to the hand of death that went all the way up to the top of the government and manipulated it so Henry Lee Lucas would die true satanist dies

which is dead in prison from a heart attack at the age of 64 and you know the saddest thing about him he died the exact same way that the toy box killer died natural causes should I mean I'm not for the state putting anybody to death I mean Richard Ramirez also died

of natural causes so yeah Henry Lee Lucas died March 12th 2001 of heart failure at the age of 64 I'm sure all of you out there are asking what about Otis? what happened to him?

what happened to Otis tool well Otis would eventually have his own coded the Henry Lee Lucas story he would confess to one of the most famous child murders in American history with the death of Adam Walsh son of John Walsh

who would go on afterward to host one of the most famous crime shows in America but what Otis said is that he said that he kidnapped Adam near the front exterior of the Sears department store where Adam went missing from

after he was asked to leave by a store clerk they didn't want him there huh? they didn't want Otis not good for business he lured Adam into his Cadillac with a promise of toys and candy and then proceeded to drive north

towards Jacksonville started to panic tool punched him in the face and it made the situation worse he just started crying more and so he walloped unconscious as he said choked him to death, drove to a deserted service road

and decapitated him with a machete that's his first confession but he would recant later on and he was never convicted for this specific crime because evidence was lost

the cops managed to lose the bloodstained carpet from tools Cadillac the machete supposedly used to decapitate Adam and eventually the entire car itself the cops lost a car

well there's a share of sun with a brand new car brand new Cadillac but also apparently the truth is that also Otis had a massive alibi but according to him he was in and out of town because the one thing we learned about Otis tool is that he bought a lot of airplane tickets

apparently and so airplane tickets had him out of Jacksonville during this crime spree there was a hazy time where it's like he that was his stomping ground that whole area and he was there a lot maybe doing some murders or we're not really sure

but apparently during this window he wasn't there he was doing something he was doing a stool breaking job in the middle of Kansas and there's just no way to really pin the crime on him and it's really very fucking sad because

I mean it destroyed John Walsh's life technically it gave him a career which is that fucked up thing of like the Eric Clapton effect tears in heaven yeah and if you watch the press conference

that John Walsh and his wife gave after Adam Walsh because Adam Walsh was missing for like a week it is heart breaking it is absolutely awful and John Walsh was actually the main suspect for a good yeah a few days after after that but

you can watch you know John Walsh even he doesn't believe the Otis tool he's like it feels like that he feels that publicly he has to accept it that he has to say like okay yes fine this fucking piece of shit killed my son but you can tell

he doesn't believe it right and that's cops for you they look at the dad they're like the dad didn't do it alright let's go let's go to In-N-Out Burger you know what I think I did it is that Carmen Sandiak we can't find her because I can't get

the answers right to the mystery questions what is the capital of the Ukraine who cares who even gives a shit right and here's another interesting fact Otis tool although he was in Florida also had his death

sentence commuted to life in prison alright yeah he had he was convicted of six counts of murder his death sentence was commuted and he died of liver failure on September 15th 1996 and here's one interesting

thing about the murder of Adam Walsh Jeffrey Dahmer was also briefly considered a suspect but he denied involvement saying I told you everything like everything how I killed them how I cooked them who I ate why wouldn't I tell you

if I did something else I love it this is like Dahmer's like you know seven-year-old actor like the Broadway actor he's like what else do you want from me I've given you my soul on stage yeah

and so yeah and what's funny is that the law died in 1996 but the cops waited until 2008 to announce that the case was officially closed despite no new evidence coming up despite them losing the old evidence it's like

they finally got around to it in 2008 they're like oh yeah the drifter definitely did it it's awful it's so difficult to find justice and if you look to law enforcement for it you're gonna be often you know yeah you're gonna be very disappointed sometimes it does work

sometimes the system does work as far as like these serial killers go I think that Henry Lee Lucas is somewhat rare and in the future we are gonna be definitely doing an episode on some of the actual like super cops out there that do help

catch serial killers before they get up to Bundy numbers or to Gacy numbers especially you know the manhunter guys and John Douglas those sorts of guys that are actually super cops and guys like Hound Dog Conway who caught Henry Lee Lucas pretty soon afterwards

but sometimes you do get and it does you definitely do have to draw attention to this that sometimes cops close cases just to turn that red mark black also know this is because think about this right they have a responsibility to these families when you're up to a

certain point and you cannot solve these crimes what you're looking for is an out which I understand because at this point it's not about justice anymore it's about providing closure but if you look at the Henry Lee Lucas case this is one of those where the police

goof ups are one thing it is next to impossible to string together enough evidence to convict a guy like this someone who literally says I killed bodies on the highway and just drop them off in the middle of the fucking desert

you don't know what's real or what's not unless you really have the unless you do the actual footwork which will take years to go and track these skeletons down and tie them to people especially they didn't have the technology so I don't really blame

the cops in this specific instance because you know drifter murders are just you know they're the most chaotic they're the butterflies of the murder world yes serial killers are the serial killers are the hardest ones to solve and highway murders

you know the highways are the killing fields of America that more unsolved murders happen along the highways than anywhere else in America like they are extremely dangerous and they are just littered with bodies and yes I mean the cops

you know a lot of times but it's like the love at cops I understand some highway patrolman that's trying to clear some murder that she was that was found on mile marker 234 on I-30 or I-20 like I understand that but the love at cops that shit is

unforgivable they just wanted to close a case they knew that the evidence didn't add up it is so obvious and they still say like no he did it and those guys those are the assholes I always just say blame it on the rain don't even know what it means but I just

say blame it on the rain and in our super cop episode we will be discussing Henry Zabrowski's New York City police officer father Mr. Zabrowski. You want a super cop? That's the guy you're looking for. My dad did catch a murderer a guy that was wanted for murder in three states

it was an accident but he did have to run and grab him and so how is your father's build compared to yours? We are exactly the same. The streets of New York were safe for a couple of years when Pa Zabrowski was walking the beats

I would say they were a little bit more funny Yeah, they were definitely alright well that's the four-parter on Henry Lee Lucas and Otis, oh what an Otis he was. I'm so crazy. Oh my god thank you guys so much for taking this journey

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Henry's sister also do a mental health and sex advice podcast so tune into that one do not listen to the sex and health podcast before or after this you don't want to tie those things together no at all no you don't and again I want to keep, I'm going to keep plugging this

just because it means a fucking lot to me for people to watch it your pretty face is going to hell Sunday 15 it's just we on adult swim we're doing our best to serve Satan well and we need your organ

energy so please if you will if you will watch it and masturbate that would be really great that's great and actually tonight at 3 o'clock in the morning I will be on Fox News's red eye wonderful that will be on July 29th July 29th awesome yes

and also go and buy the Kalman album it's available on iTunes now and in honor of Henry LeLukas at the end of this episode we're going to play a song called Maggie about a lot lizard who ends up dead oh very nice

hail yourselves everyone and Hail Satan and Hail Geen and we'll go to the ladies they go to the ladies goodbye ladies in the middle east everybody well Maggie was a bitch and Maggie was a whore but I never went to see her walking out of that door

Maggie was a cute but sure was profane Maggie had a sweet tooth for unclean cocaine Maggie come home Maggie come home Maggie come home get out of that fat mess Maggie like a cigarette she just went a long way

I don't make it like that she's working real fine but she's still a damn mess Maggie come home Maggie come home Maggie come home get out of that fat mess Maggie was a hollywood

Maggie was a child Maggie left the house at age 16 that's a lot of time Maggie come home Maggie come home Maggie come home get out of that fat mess trunk baseball

Maggie was a princess Maggie was a bride Maggie pulled out and got your crux Maggie go back and get her Maggie go die Maggie come home Maggie come home get out of that fat mess

trunk matrix that drug Maggie was a bitch and Maggie was a whore But I never went to see her walking out of that door Maggie was a cute but showers, broke big They had a sweet tooth for a good go-kate Maggie, come home Maggie, come home

Maggie, come home Get out of that bad man's truck That drug that drug that drug that drug that drug