Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 194: Son of Sam Part II - The Wicked King of Wicker

Episode Date: September 30, 2015

The city of New York loses it's collective mind in part two of our Son of Sam series as the letters from the Chubby Behemoth himself start rolling in and his killings continue to their completion, plus we bring in connections to the mysterious Process Church of the Final Judgement.

There's no place to escape to this is the last on the left You know what I'm gonna do can you hear the microphone? Yes here. Can you see if you can hear this? Oh You're not supposed to crack your back like that. No, it's not his back. That's his sternum. Oh Oh, I don't think it's something. It's not healthy. Whatever it is. All right Welcome to the last podcast on the left everybody I am Ben Kissel in studio with mr. Marcus Parks all the way in beautiful Toronto the star of heroes on NBC How you doing buddy? I'm doing very well I want to say up top very quickly a big. Thank you to everybody for all of the incredible amount of support I received

For the premiere of here as you born. That was very nice. That's right I'm sick of these feelings and I will not feel feelings. I don't care how much you support me or how much you think I deserve it and how nice you all been you guys go go All right, and that's Henry Zabrowski, of course Henry. What's the name of your character in heroes Stu? Is it Stu? Oh NBC's A to Z Yes That is funny

I'm here in Toronto in my blanket triangle Mm-hmm I feel that the sound will be better because we've heard people have issues with the my sound on the podcast And so um, I'm not wearing any clothes to help keep the keep the sound absorbed to the little Two-foot square around the microphone and I'm under a pyramid of blankets here Um, and I'm really starting to get into the son of Sam vibe. That's great. He lived that is exactly how he lived And that's exactly who we're talking about today part two of the son of Sam summer of Sam continued Oh, yeah, it's more intense as we go

So after we what we left off on last episode was the commissioner of New York the police commissioner Coming out and saying hey listen guys. We've got a problem here. There's a serial killer on the loose And he's saying all right first voice is all right guys Disco techs stay away from them bad news these guys are getting killed after they're coming out of disco techs at night And it said that attendance at disco techs in New York City dropped 80 to 90 percent after that announcement and that is something that every single article every single movie every single Documentary about some Sam mentions Multiple times because do you have any clue? How important the disco tech was to the New York City economy?

right of 1976 77 this was a this is primo. This was disco fever It was imagine this literally all of New York City had disco fever and could not get their medication Which was what disco going to the disco that's that's it I mean victims we talk about victims and yes, you have human lives. Yes We have some human cost with that But let's talk about the small business owner and let's also talk about the goldfish in the shoes in the heels of those disco shoes

That didn't even get to live that great goldfish life. They just died in the back of some closet I'm gonna say this Ben I'm not really into your new libertarian campaigning mode that you've been in the past three weeks victims But I'm I'm with you You know what I also feel bad for is the the 65 year old Bronx man Who had finally gotten a pair of roller skates and a bunch of fairy wings and he was ready to go live his life Completely for the first time and it happened this summer I was gonna take all my roller skates after the disco would have be able to dance to the song

I like that song. It says I love the nightlife because that's me My whole life has been bad being a pipe fitter But really I should be Fitting some pipe inside of myself. You know what I'm saying grandson And the nightlife was dead and there was dead completely Well, the funny thing about the whole disco thing is that they're saying oh, they're getting killed outside of disco text No one going to disco text anymore Complete and total coincidence the son of Sam Murders had nothing to do with disco text as we said in the last episode

He just drove around until he found that magic parking spot and then after he found the magic parking spot That's when he would go out murder you say magic parking spot. I say command from the devil So the other coincidence Was the brown hair connection while all the victims? Yes, all the victims up to that point Did share similar hairstyles and colors long brown hair this fact again had nothing to do with how Barcawitz chose his victims We're all trying to look like Charisma Carpenter at the time. Who is 1977 right but Henry is this true that your mother actually changed her hairstyle during this time, correct?

No, my mom had to keep her hair up She had what she did was she had very she always had long brown hair My mom never dyed it what she did was see if she would keep it up because she was like oh Henry told me she wouldn't believe how the other men and the boys would fight to walk me back to my car And I was like, yeah, that's great. This really is like they'd fight each other like a bunch of pigs All waiting them to heave on top of me and I was like no son. I'm waiting for your father Well, that's an unintended consequence. She had a great time during this During the summer of Sam. This is the Browsky future. Mr. Browsky was just getting boned all over town straight up

But it's very true cuz it's like my mom was actually was my mom is beautiful now, of course But back in the day She was a real looker and that that's how you got a date in the summer of 1977 in New York as big I named Tommy would be like a don't worry about I'll walk you to you guy Hey, don't worry, buddy. Only folksy people that'll make it out with cars. We go inside my apartment. Yeah Yeah, so before tinder you just had to rely on the serial killer of the summer and hopefully there was one in your area So you could walk women home So even though there was absolutely no connection whatsoever with the police commissioner coming out and saying hey

He's killing long brown haired girls Brunettes all across New York City that went to hair salons to cut their hair short or diet-blonde Wigshops across the city made record sales. Of course the disco techs doing bad wig shops doing fucking great Thank God that with the wig shops end up getting that alternative flow of cash because with the disco techs being shut down You knew that the wig shops were next. Oh, yeah, definitely And when they come I remember when they came for the wig shops and I did nothing and they came for the disco techs And I did nothing. Oh That's a poem about the Jews, right, right, right? It's about the Nazis. Yeah, then they came for the pickle store

No one was there to stand up for me So here's what a few of the women in New York City had to say during the summer of Sam The killer every day I go to beauty school up the block and most of the girls are wearing the hair up because they're afraid of the 44 caliber killer One thing that I really don't do anymore. It's important cause I Love those accents. Yeah, I really do. I miss it for the like even just me growing up in the city Like they still kind of retain that accent. We're now it's kind of it's dissipated like crazy unless you go back into deep Queens or deep Brooklyn Yeah, which makes me sad. I love the beauty school though. Oh, yeah

Yeah, well, so here today's lesson on Monday. Goop it on. All right, we're gonna work on gooping it on ladies The idea is okay. Listen. All right, you want the woman to look like you want to look like she's kind of like a fluorescent skunk on fire Again, we're gonna talk we're gonna reiterate the fact that son of Sam had a grip on New York City Yeah, that was crazy. It became really and again, son of Sam Created every single archetype of the loner killer that you could think about He is the the thing that people think about and even now when people think about serial killers The guy covered in milk and a wife feeder in an apartment with just a bare mattress just being like I will take over the city

but Sadly the reality is is that that man is a 220 pound doughy Gluiser, yeah, and the actual reality is that most of the serial killers are men like BTK guys like Ted Bundy guys like John Wayne Gacy hiding in plain sight even Andre chickatillo One of the biggest psychopaths that the world has ever produced was a family man. Yes, people thought he was a little odd People thought he was a little off But most of the killers out there are not the loner son of Sam milk covered types Ted Kaczynski Milk covered type milk covered type. Yeah. Yeah, sour milk smell and never trust a man who is a single

Hanging light bulb, you know, you can't either they're a serial killer or they're a ninja and either way You don't want to be around them when they're mad They can also be recently divorced and you still don't want to be technically anywhere near them. Nope because of their emotional Neatiness. Yeah, so what happens at this point is the police commissioner? He comes out and He says there's a serial killer on the loose. He's naming victims He's naming patterns and this is the first time that David Berkowitz gets attention He gets into this is finally he is being acknowledged for the first time in his life and Acknowledged for the crimes that he's been committing. He's only getting warmed up

He decides to kick it up a notch on April 17th, 1977 the summer of Sam Truly begins in New York City three blocks from the very first murder Berkowitz fires four shots into the car of Alexander E So and Valentina Serrani hitting both twice and killing one and at the scene police found a letter Addressed to Captain Joseph Borelli head of operation Omega. Here's what that letter said in Full I'm reading this with all spelling mistakes included. I Am deeply hurt but you're calling me a weeping hater. I am not But I am a monster. I

Am the son of Sam. I am a little Brett when father Sam gets drunk. He gets mean He beats our family Sometimes he ties me up to the back of the house Other times he locks me in the garage Sam loves to drink blood go out and kills command's father Sam Behind our house some rest mostly young raped and slurred

The blood drain just bones now Pap Sam keeps me locked in the attic, too I can't get out, but I look out the attic window and I watch the world go by I feel like an outsider I'm on a different wavelength than everyone else Program to kill However to stop me you must kill me Attention all police shoot me first shoot to kill or else keep out of my way or you will die Papa Sam is old now. He needs some blood to preserve his youth. He has too many heart attacks

So I'm worried for No Me hoot it hurts sunny boy. I miss my pretty princess most of all She's resting in our lady's house, but I'll see you soon I am the quote-unquote monster quote-unquote beelzebub the chubby behemoth I Love the hunt prowling the streets looking for fair game tasty meat the women of Queens are prettiest of all I Must be the water they drink. I live for the hunt my life blood for Papa mr.

Barelli sir. I don't want to kill anyone. Oh, sir. No more, but I must honor thy father quote-unquote I want to make love to the world. I love people. I don't belong on earth return me to yahoos To the people of Queens. I love you, and I want to wish you all a happy Easter. I do May God bless you in this life in the next and for now I say goodbye and goodnight Police let me haunt you with these words. I'll be back. I'll be back To be interpreted as bang bang bang Me yours in murder mr. Munster. Hey, uh, you remember remember what he called himself chubby behemoth That is funny. That is really that is really funny chubby behemoth. Hmm. That's nice. I'm easy sick

He's like a humor like a humor reporter. No those humor reporters that read like a thing that's in the newspaper It's fake, but it's like kind of funny. Yeah, it's like one of those guys, but you know, it's so funny about this guy He strikes me as a reality television show star. Yeah, you know, he got so much credit for doing his actions for the first time He felt validated. He's like a teen mom and they're like at season three and she's like I'll have twins Like you're 17. He'd be like, yes, I'm gonna add four more to my litter It's also akin to a Facebook poke It's also akin to a Facebook post that like someone you knew from high school That now has like five kids like makes about like what she saved it like the supermarket

Yeah, like how she feels that Donald Trump should be president, right? It's a very like I finally have a mouthpiece I'm gonna let everybody know exactly how I feel and I'm gonna spell it badly and sound like an asshole And we shouldn't let the Albanians on the sixth train You know as far as self-given nicknames go son of Sam and specifically the chubby behemoth Wonderful names to give yourself and in fact, Jimmy Breslin later on Jimmy Breslin who received other Communications from son of Sam. He said about son of Sam's writing. He said he's got that big city beat and I agree I think I actually like his writing. I don't think I think it's got this weird kind of stream of consciousness thing going on

It's very interesting and it's also they seem to be very well crafted. It's when you read them They look like someone who meant for them to sound exactly the way they came out like he had a plan and he executed it We're gonna learn the thing about David Berkowitz is that he is a try-hard Constantly in need of a new group to belong to that is that that is what we started talking about last week and this week I just want to bring it up again. This guy has no personality. No, this is him creating a personality for himself He wants to do he'll do anything to feel more important and now that he's got it It's just like he knows it's he's gonna have to dig deep and write some cool-ass fucking letters Right, he wants to make the history books and so he just he must have rewritten these like

10 to 15 times my god Yeah, probably well even though Jimmy Breslin said that you know, he had that big city beat police They had a different opinion of it talking to the Daily News about the letter after it was made public This is what police said he lives in a nightmare world where he sees blood-sucking vampires and Frankenstein monsters So that that's your professional opinion vampire monsters Sucking vampires and Frankenstein monsters. Yes, that's what he sees and you wouldn't believe if you have any times He's seen a mommy But this is the kind of guy you've seen a mommy at least three or four times

I gotta tell you and this is coming from a guy who's seen a creature from a black lagoon two times, right? All right, cuz I seen it too. All right, there's a lot around they people say there's only one Frankenstein monsters I'll tell you what is at least nine because I've seen two. Yeah, man I would say the officers the cops did not do a great job of deescalating the fear. No, they actually brought in paranormal creatures They brought in super Uh-huh. Yeah, you guys Stein's monster. Yeah, you guys you guys remember. I know it is a scary But you guys remember vampires, right? Say vampires, you know what I heard the thing about vampires if you say the name vampire or the word vampire

They could just show up and mostly it's just some guy with an X and he's really pale You know, that's why every time I see you do with that widows peak haircut. I'll beat the fucking shit out of So parts of the letter were leaked to the press and the name son of Sam replaced the 44 caliber killer and although son of Sam is much less menacing than 44 caliber killer, it's got a gun and it's got an action this new name Somehow even more terrifying and the people of New York Truly lost their minds When son of set when the name son of Sam came out. Yeah, it's much more terrifying. It's just about branding. It's so vague

Son of Sam is good and vague and sounds really evil and you could put a bunch of shit on son of Sam because then it sounds like Who Sam immediately you're like who Sam? Who trained him like oh Sam's the worst one Sam Sam is the splinter Yeah, right of this other guy and what if he decides to come out of retirement starts killing What if that guy's fucking Prescott Bush think about it, but it plays into Frankenstein's monster son of Sam Yeah, who the hell yeah, exactly. Oh was created by Sam So as far as the city losing their minds up in Westchester two men who believe they knew the gunman's identity drug the guy that they

Accused to the guy's father's grave and beat him within an inch of his life with Baseball bats to try to get a confession out of them And down south in Brooklyn in Sheepshead Bay a crowd nearly lynched a man Who's just caught with a 44 caliber? They would have been doing this anyway, right? But the happen is is that like they just the guy was always weird They needed a reason to either lynch him or beat him and finally like this guy song Sam when finally he's like You know, it's like no, I could have been there I was at the disco on Tuesday and he's like caught that so funny. It's so weird because I was also in the disco on Tuesday

How did I not see you and once been in different wings of the disco, you know what? I'm sorry, buddy. He's a coupon for a free McDonald's softy ice cream. Okay. God bless. All right guy Get your shit together, right? You got blood on you got blood on my gloves But you know, it's funny. This was the time of vigilante justice here in New York City The cops were way they weren't even working at night many of these times Yeah, this is guardian angels peak but fucking time man and that's what out was that the cops had caught this 44 caliber guy and Someone ran to the local bar in Sheepshead Bay

Said hey, they caught a guy with a 44 caliber and the entire bar emptied out and everyone says yeah, yeah Fuck you kill him. God, I killed him and the cops barely got the guy out of there alive. We'll be workers are We're an intense bunch Yeah, like after like when you saw the the first fallout videos like right after 9 11 when they were showing the guys in Midtown Watching the second tower come down Uh, basically they were watching on the big screens and they were watching it happen live And it was just like two businessmen It was like they were just sitting there shaking their heads and then all of a sudden this big fat dude with a shiny shirt comes on

Come on mobster comes up and he's got covered in jewelry and the first thing he's just like why we did this We need to fucking kill him until nobody recognizes the skeleton and they're all like yeah Yeah, it was just the first incident was like I whack yeah I got to get some and lot and got a fucking various feet cement thrown into the fucking the East River So at its height the suspect list for a son of Sam would reach over 7,000 people one woman from Westchester She told the authorities that her ex-husband was the killer and this is what the official report said She just said that before her divorce. He told her that one of the things he will miss is her long brown hair

She also stated that he loved Italian girls. He has sexual hang-ups and wanted to get into the state on my Psychistic scene with ropes. She also said he went to discos and topless bars. He wore a wig He owned guns. He quote-unquote shot at the TV when he thought he was alone Which means she was sneaking around watching him TV watching Which means she was sneaking around watching him watch TV alone. Yeah, it was the sign of mistrust Also, wouldn't they notice if you shot the TV when they came back you'd be a spackle it over What do you do when you shoot the TV? Well, all I saw in the book the I got this from the ultimate evil Which we'll talk more about later, but all it said in the ultimate evil was quote-unquote shot at the TV

So finger guns, I don't know if it was finger guns I don't know if we shot a load at the TV when he thought he was alone. Yeah, I just can't stop coming on Sally Dressy Raphael's face. We should know they hate it. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, bang bang bang bang This woman also said that her ex-husband considered his privates to be subpar Oh, and he also looked like one of the police sketches All right, I just say this is just the classic to where this was the perfect time where if you knew weirdo in your office Yeah, and you wanted to get rid of them or if you didn't like a guy you just call the police and be like we got the son of Sam yeah, and they were also there were stories of people calling in

Tips on their loan sharks If they had if they like have needed a couple more days to pay and the lunches like give me your money by Tuesday Or else I'm gonna break your fucking legs They'd call up the son of Sam hotline and be like hey I think I noticed guy his name's Tony leg breaker and I think he's son of Sam brilliant So that you know appreciate that appreciate the call there, but you know, uh, you know, Tony legburg is like a pretty famous bookie Right and I owe him money, too This is not thank you though. It was a good shot. It was a good idea like I didn't think about it

But thank you good work buddy. You know what keep it up Yeah, and it was also people just like kind of looking for a little bit of revenge against an ex-lover All kinds of weird shit going on so about a month after the first communication New York Daily News columnist Jimmy Breslin Received a letter from the son of Sam the words blood and family darkness and death Absolute depravity point four four were neatly printed on the back Yeah, I think there's a juggalo for life juggalo thing in there

Technically those aren't those all the last four stained album titles It was tough to be a white guy in the 90s I feel like David Berger was would have listened to a lot of I think you would have loved staying I think he might not have killed if he would have had stained Really was ugly the lead singer well not that ugly Here's what the letter to David here's what the letter to Jimmy Breslin said in full Hello from the gutters at NYC. Hello. I mean it. Hi hello Which are filled with dog manure vomit stale wine urine and blood

Hello from the sewers of NYC Which swallow up these delicacies when they are washed away by the sweeper trucks Hello from the cracks in the sidewalks of NYC and from the ants that dwell in these cracks and feed on the dried blood of the dead That has seeped into these cracks JB I'm just dropping you a line to let you know that I appreciate your interest in those recent and horrendous 44 caliber killings. I also want to tell you that I read your column daily and I find it quite informative Informative

Tell me Jim. What will you have for July 29th? You can forget about me if you like because I don't care for publicity. Oh, no, I don't care for it However, you must not forget Donna Lauria and you cannot let the people forget her either She was a very very sweet girl But Sam's a thirsty lad and he won't let me stop killing until he gets his fill of blood Mr. Breslin, sir Don't think that because you haven't heard from me for a while that I went to sleep. No rather I am still here

Like a spirit roaming the night thirsty. Oh thirsty hungry seldom stopping to rest Anxious to please Sam. I love my work. Now the void has been filled Perhaps we shall meet face-to-face someday. Perhaps I will be blown away by cops with smoking 38 Whatever if I shall be fortunate enough to meet you I will tell you all about Sam if you like and I will introduce you to him. His name is Sam the terrible Not knowing what the future holds. I shall say farewell and I will see you at the next job Or should I say you will see my hand you work at the next job

Remember Ms. Lauria. Thank you In their blood and from the gutter quote-unquote Sam's creation 44 kill There's some new names to help you along just in case forward them to the inspector for use by NCIC Quote-unquote you call me these the duke of death the wicked King wicker The 22 disciples of hell even though I'm just one guy John Wheaties rapist and suffocator young girls Out of the all wait PS JB. Please inform all the detectives working the slaying to remain PPS JB, please inform all the detectives working the case that I wish them the best of luck

Keep them digging drive on big positive get off your butts. Yeah, knock on coffins, etc. Okay upon my capture I promise to buy all the guys working in the case a new pair of shoes if I can get up the money That's very nice. I got to go with the wicked King of wicker if I was in charge of the daily news We got a wicked King of wicker the problem is the wicked King of wicker would really fuck with the wicker chair sales Yeah, and New York City and we if we're losing the discotex and we are fucking with the wig stores. Mm-hmm We cannot lose the wicker industry. Oh, yeah, there's somebody who has a wicker surplus store much like Bob's furniture He's like, oh my god, if they start calling him the wicked King of wicker. We're out of business I am and I am a good man

But I mean wicked like cool like Boston says like these are wicked cool, right? I'm the wicked King of wicker Come on guys, I've been trying to brand guys I sell this incredibly flammable furniture here in the middle of incredibly flammable New York City in 1977 So published alongside a column from Breslin the son of Sam issue of the New York Daily News sold 1.1 million copies in a single day. That means is that 14 percent of New Yorkers at the time bought a copy That's insane. That's what a circulation is absolutely insane and although the Daily News was getting the exclusives Rupert Murdoch who you'll know as the owner of Fox News the Australian who I love him Don't campaign here. Yeah, you can't mix your the Josset Bank Ben

So Rupert Murdoch who had just bought the New York Post in 1977 he ordered a reporter who worked at the New York Post to scoop the Daily News It didn't matter how he did it. Just get it done So after hearing about a son of Sam murder on a police scanner The New York Post reporter went to the hospital where the victim was taken Dressed in scrubs found the victim's family told him he was a grief counselor and Pumped them for information. I love it so much. This is a real-life Jake Gyllenhaal from the movie Nightcrawler Yeah, I mean this is old school detective work, but obviously a reporting work. It's really hard to like I don't mean to like

Totally support this man, but at least back in the day you had a work to get the story Right this guy had to go make his story and I almost look up to him right hell. Yeah, absolutely you went and you did your job You what you found the thing. I mean nowadays. It's just someone to be like I was on a son of Sam's Twitter account He lulled in an Ariana Grande video and I'm gonna report that Rupert Murdoch He actually he loved this kind of reporting in fact He was quoting is saying and this is pretty much the I guess the philosophy that the New York Post and really the Daily News Followed for years and still follow to this day is that Rupert Murdoch said that reading the newspaper in New York was an emotional experience Mm-hmm. That's why the New York Post has such sensationalistic headlines

Why they seem to just pick on the reptile part of your brain? And this is when the New York Post figured out and when the Daily News figured out that works So the next murder came in June and as if the victims were living out a slasher movie Judy Placido turned to her date Sal Lupo as they sat in his car and she said You son of Sam is really scary the way the guy comes out of nowhere You never know where he'll hit next and right on cue Berkowitz fired five shots into the car Unlike the slasher film. However, both would survive He just was not very good at this

David Berkowitz also did everything very hesitantly Where he would come in and it seemed like he just barely he'd be both his sexual excitement and his nervousness Would cause him to kind of like fire and then run away But wasn't his gun also relatively weak when it came to going through cars and things like that It was not the best gun. In fact, it was designed to not go through metal right specifically So he had to fire into the windows I mean really there was no he didn't there was I think there was only one attack that he didn't hit anybody But all the rest of him he at the very least hit them. He just chose a shitty gun, right?

It just wasn't the right gun to use. He had training That's the things he had sharp shooting training. So he knew how to handle the gun. He just was I Think always on the verge of quitting. I think every single time he went out to do it He was always on the verge of being like do I have the guts to really do this until later on when he just Fully just decided this was his persona and again I think it had very little to do like yes He'd said that he it was connected to sexual ritual and he would come his pants essentially He said that he'd come his pants every single time he shot somebody, but I think that it's mostly just about like

I gotta do this to be somebody. I gotta do this to be the son of Sam. You're not David Berkowitz anymore He would like give himself pep talks every day and be like, you're the son of Sam now. Go out there and do your shit It's like Rob Groundkowski when he goes to play for the New England Patriots on the field. He's the grunt Yeah, yeah, it's just like that Sheets, he's just David moments. What's what's his name? He's from what he plays for that would they be placed with the Ruby Tuesday? Yes Salt slugs Yeah, they don't really move very fast

That's for sure, but you know a bad carpenter blames his tools at no point to Berkowitz bring up the fact He's using the crappy gun. He just rolled with it. Yeah, he just rolled with it And also the gun had a huge kickback on it So for him to fire five shots in a row and to still hit His targets most of the time he wasn't bad at it again He just chose the wrong gun So a little over a month later on July 31st, 1977 Bobby Villante and Stacey Moskowitz Who had met at gong show night in Sheepshead Bay just a few days before

Were fated to become Berkowitz's first and only attack in Brooklyn. Forget about it Very good. Very good. Very good. Very good. Forget about it. Okay You have lived in Brooklyn for well over a decade. You know what? Sometimes I even Forget about it. Okay. Good. So son of Sam fired into the car once again killing Moskowitz Instantly and blinding Villante before calmly walking away. These would be his very last victims and each member of so Stacey Moskowitz's mother Bobby Villante in an interview all claimed to have both made the joke of Stacey saying Don't worry about me. I'm going out. They're like, well, we don't go out. Just like just like the son of Sam's out there She's like, I'm a blonde. He doesn't kill blondes

But then Bobby Villante try to take the joke from his mother in an interview But I think the reason why nobody because that he said he said that he said to his buddy Oh, don't worry. I'm going out with the blonde. He doesn't come after blondes Ba-ba-ba and the only reason why I think no one fought with him because Bobby Villante was blind You can't take a joke away from a blind man if he's got a joke going you got to let him have it even if it's your go-to That's true, of course So the night of the Moskowitz murder a woman named Cecilia Davis was out walking her dog Snowball and saw a shifty looking guy who looked like one of the sketches take a parking ticket off his car throw it down and

Drive away. He'll never give me a ticket. Oh, like I'd pay it. I'm son is Sam I shouldn't have said that out loud Yeah, I gotta go to the yachtsie store. I thought my yachtsie game the dice are all Ground down. I don't have time to be going to a parking lot city parking ticket agency I would bang bang bang. Oh Oh, it's what they'll remember So all the police Initially ignored the woman's report. She badgered her local precinct for three weeks

Before they finally looked into the ticket It was one of only four issued in Coney Island that night and the only one for parking in front of a hydrant The car listed on the ticket was a cream colored Ford Galaxy registered to David Berkowitz at 35 Pine Street in Yonkers, New York Sometimes being a total pain in the ass works for everybody, right? I mean, it's crazy to some degree that a parking checker. I A meter maid solved this entire case

Yeah, I mean the the dominoes started on the dominoes that fell all started with that one meter made every single meter made To this day every time they put a ticket on a car. They're like that could be the next son of Sam I'm not just a total prick who is starting You know a whole series of different terrible emotions to go through the person's head when they see this ticket Because they tried to park their car really quick to run into the pharmacy because their son is sick. Yes. He's a serial killer Exactly. They didn't become hall monitors with guns for no reason They won't they were always gonna catch the next son of Sam. Uh-huh The New York detectives made a couple of calls up to Yonkers and after finding out that this Berkowitz character had sent

Multiple threatening letters to neighbors and it probably shot a couple of dogs The detectives took a trip up north. They found the Ford Galaxy. They spotted a rifle in the back seat The police started a stakeout Berkowitz finally came out of his house at 1030 Well, excuse me came out of his studio apartment At 10 30 p.m. That night got into his car detective John Fala Tico approached the car tapped on the window with his gun Berkowitz looked up at Fala Tico and said you got me How come it took you such a long time and Bill Garda another cop at the bust said about Berkowitz He had this like stupid smile on his face like it was kids game another detective said talking to Berkowitz was like quote

talk to a head of cabbage That was like the one night to where he was like Tim Berkowitz was like, you know, I know Sam wants me to kill the night Oh with the killing, but you know what I'm gonna do. I gotta go see a A movie I'm going to see did you know they're making a loveboat film? I Love it. I'm gonna check it out. Joe. Just let my hand down Just relax a little bit put up my my put up my barcus all my feet and just covered with corns Not one fell Coney. What is it? Falka Tico Falka Tico

Another one for Falka Tico boys. Yeah, and there was another one named ritzo was another one of the detectives that was on the case I will say I grew up with two kids that are still my favorite New York names Which is it I grew up with a kid named Anthony Emeretti and I grew up with a kid named Bobby Bob Arissey Bobby Bob Arissey his dad was also Bobby and his brother his brother was Michael But Bobby's had run through the whole thing. So it took he was like Bobby Bob Arissey the fifth Can you imagine calling this is the at the time of the landline you called out? I want to talk to Bobby. Okay, which Bobby? Bobby Bob Arissey Bobby Bob Arissey, too Which one of these I know and actually his dad was a was a retired police officer was also the

Coach to my little league team and he had retired He retired from being police officer and then got shot and lived Stopping a robbery after the fact I remember like all the parents getting together and putting into this big like get well card and every one of them It said and every one of them said the same dumb joke where they said, uh, don't bite the bullet Bobby Right. Yeah, that's a funny joke. That's great. Yeah, the NYPD had a lot more sense of humor back then didn't they? Before they got militarized. Yeah. Yeah, they could just wail on any Spanish or black person that they like So in an interview with NBC done right after Berkowitz was caught we're gonna hear right now

We're actually gonna hear from the Daily News columnist Jimmy Breslin We're gonna hear from the man himself And I was looking at him I was looking at him tonight. I was looking at him walk Last time I was looking at him walk and I was looking at his face Around kind of pleasant face a little goopy quality to it, but I'm gonna put it this way So every small time someone makes fun of me for one of the voices I create, right? Of one of the characters I just won the show they are real there are real versions of them out there. I hear them all the time Who's in control?

That's the cop. No, that's Jimmy Breslin. That's Oh Porter so after briefly considering a not guilty by reason of insanity plea David Berkowitz Eventually pled guilty and was sentenced to six life sentence But he say it was very true because now we're looking at where some of these stories that we're gonna hear later on come from It's like this is where Afterwards David Berkowitz loved to talk and so the first thing he started talking about is about how this dog was telling him to kill and that and this is They're immediately they're like, okay We can get you off on an insanity plea because you're obviously trying to play the game

But David Berkowitz actually had a deeper plan in mind and I actually think that all of this the rest of it in his time in prison really plays out how he was building a narrative where he's like if I plead guilty now and Accept quote-unquote accept the responsibility of these killings then I can make a redemption story Down the line because he had been trying to make a redemption story this whole fucking time Like he was doing like he became a super we're gonna talk about how he became a super Christian But his it started when he wanted to be a Baptist after getting back from the war not just a normal Christian a super Christian So David's life in prison his personality and beliefs

They really tended to shift according to whoever was really paying attention to him at the time right and this is all according to a Fantastic article in New York magazine. It's called The Devil and David Berkowitz It's a really great article It's really really good, but you know, so he's he wants to stay relevant, right? So that's why he keeps on changing his narrative very similar to what Henry Lee Lucas did, right? Oh, no, there are definite parallels between David Lee or between David Berkowitz and Henry Lee Lucas But David Berkowitz is much smarter than uh, Henry Lee Lucas. Henry Lee Lucas was just making a lot of drifter stories Right, right, right. He'll just say stuff and ran and be like

Badge only because the alligator was jumping and they're like, what does an alligator jumping mean? He's like, oh another hotel when the alligator jumps, you know, you can make a wish like he'll just say random shit Where David Berkowitz is now Really getting smart and shifty So after three out of four court-appointed psychiatrists declared David Berkowitz unfit to stand trial David went with the insane story. He played it up for any psychiatrist that would listen to him He went with that for about two years, but then in 1979 famous FBI profiler Robert wrestler came in And and David Berkowitz, he walks in David Berkowitz starts giving us like oh the dogs the demons all of that

And Robert wrestler likes like David cut the shit Seriously, what what went on and he really he was one of the first people to really hit Berkowitz with some pushback To not take his line of shit and to really get aggressive with him And Berkowitz the entire story fell apart He just he admitted that he killed because he resented his birth mother He felt inadequate around women and he never had a girlfriend Which is really interesting because then it shows also This is another opening to persona that he's doing to Robert wrestler or Robert wrestler

It's a sort of like this man's man kind of guy telling him to tell me what's really going on and David Berkowitz immediately Didn't want to disappoint him. Mm-hmm. Yeah, this is what uh berkowitz wrote in later leather I want to be a lover to women, but I want to destroy them to Especially women who dance them. I hate I hate this sensuality. They're more laxity I'm no saint myself, but I blame them for everything What a fucking loser that's healthy. Just blame him for everything I'm your obesity. You're a lack of character. It's the women. Oh, it's all of the women It's not it's not it's it's definitely not the fact that he sits in a tiny studio apartment

And drinking milk listening to peter paul and mary records day and night Yeah, not like that doesn't create a special super smells That keeps the ladies come running. You know, I mean you fucking asshole like but you see this thought is still around That's the worst part is that this this this thought process is around all the time Like what's happened with fucking planned parenthood? I think most of the reason why they want to defund plant parenthood is because they hate seeing women walking around with their faces exposed Uh-huh. Yeah, not pregnant But you know, seriously, I don't think that this was so true to the person but the malibu shooter

Recently but a year ago The narrative that he clung to was this anti-woman narrative. I think the guy was probably gay Yeah, and it was all fantasy But this narrative you see it throughout most serial or many serial killers a lot of blame women It takes the blame off of you. Yeah. Yeah, always. That's what david berger was always saying is that it was always other people than meet him do what he did Yeah, and like they wouldn't let him be somebody. Yeah ed kimber is a A fat he ed kimber is a a great example of uh this sort of and that's the funny thing too

Is that like both ed kimber and david berger wits were both The smarter ones like they were both the more objectively intelligent ones more a little more creative a little more, uh Like they just scored higher on iq test again objectively Uh, he was kimber was bumblebutt So in the world of serial killer intelligence. Yeah, he was still a bit a bit of a bumblebutt But you also see it with tag gazinski too. It's not his fault. It's somebody else's fault because they're geniuses They have a superiority complex. It could never be them. They're better than everybody else They get to choose who lives or dies. They chose to to not embrace me so that makes me kill them

Yeah, uh, which is just the thought of somebody who needs to be put in a concrete square It's a terrible way of thinking so what came next as far as The next theory the next thing that david berger wits was approached with Because he did admit that the son of sam storyline was made up. Yeah, he did come Oh, yes, he said that he was trying to sound crazy a little bit, but then we're gonna find out he mixes his matches that whole story again Yeah, it's whatever he is approached with david berger wits was an empty vessel waiting to be filled Right and whoever came along with uh, their little pot of water and filled him up That's what he went with for the next few years until eventually he found the one that fit him perfectly

Right what came next in 1987 former business journalist mori terry wrote in a book called the ultimate evil Which is a 600 page tome Connecting david berger wits to the process church of the final judgment. Now. This is very interesting This is this is a part of the theory that there were multiple shooters in the son of sam case And and we're gonna go through some of the evidence of that after this But the process church of the final judgment is very very interesting It's an offshoot of Scientology from the 60s from the uk and it was created by two higher-ranking Scientologists named robert moore and maryan mclean and when they got married they decided to change their last name to

de grimston de grimston Yes, yes robert and maryan de grimston But they came like the jesus and mary of this new group called the process church and We're we got into i got into researching the process church of the final judgment And we got to do a whole separate episode on them Yeah, and the way it started was that the two of them were fucking with Scientology equipment

They were looking at the emuters and they're like there's there's a way that we can do this That's different and will work better for us. So they split off. I bought this book called love sex fear and death Which is all about the process church and their beginnings and it's very very interesting Basically, it's about the idea of a commune and getting together Um, the main the main belief of the process was that jesus and the devil will two parts of the same deity And then on judgment day jesus would judge humanity while satan carried out the sentence The process church officially disbanded in 1975 after the founder's divorce because of sexual problems

Sexual problems. Yes. Um, but what's interesting is that what they talk about is how there was a group of people that all got together And they started living together and having a bunch of orgies and eventually they started picking each other psychology And once they got done picking apart of the each other psychology They started meditating and talking to beings jesus and the devil and the and the godlike persona They said everyone was one of either any one of these three personality traits But actually they were those were just archetypes. They were really archetypes for these far advanced alien beings That they were meditating within mexico Well, we got to aliens while talking of summer of sam. Thank you. Very good. Let's get back

To a human being for a second. Well, let's talk a little bit more about the process church. It's said After that they disbanded officially in 1975 Unofficially the process church lived on in smaller splinter factions across the us through coffee shops called the process You know where one of their hubs was by it's a coffee shop that would be called the process And anybody who was in the part of the church would work at one of those coffee shops, right? And it has been said that their actual motives were much closer to that of the hand of death Uh-oh. Here's what a man who claimed to have been a hitman for the organization told a news station The reason for killing people sometimes it would be

Financial sometimes it would be vengeful and sometimes it would just be To uh to keep the ball of uh to keep the ball of evil going. Is that what they wanted? Uh, yeah, yeah, a social army kid You know not not an army kid in the biblical sense, but a social army kid I mean this is not just something they were doing for any type of necessary pleasure But that was just a part of an agenda a very deep covert and hidden agenda You know they were about making war

It's very interesting. Yeah, it really is and by the way that voice at the end that you heard that was david berkowitz right there Yeah, david berkowitz is a pudgy old man in prison looking a lot like the postal worker He truly was meant to be so let's go tie this back really quick So this was also supposed to be so this is the group that david berkowitz was the satanic group That david berkowitz was invited to be a part of before he when he was like searching for himself by a guy named michael car Um, that he was brothers with john car who were both sons of sam car who were going to be seen as a connected to the son of sam Um, and I think it's very uh, it's interesting because a guy named timothy wiley who was one of the members of the process church Of the final judgment said this about them as the fact of the reason why they got slapped with a satanic cult

Like label was because they were so mysterious and exclusive exclusive It it allowed for a lot of conspiracies to be slapped on top of them Um, like normal like we see all the time where if you don't do any answering someone's going to answer for you Someone's going to create a reason for you existing and so this david fit this into this whole satanic Sort of the cult storyline He attached it to it, but I like the specifics that you have here from morritary Yeah, and in reference to the beliefs and philosophies as far as david berkowitz in the process church went Morritary said quote david was susceptible to any line of shit

Oh very good And the line of shit that david believed was in the form of a process offshoot called the children of the process Uh, and as henry said he was brought into the church by john michael car, uh, the sons of sam car Sam car was the neighbor that when david went a little crazy or when david was caught He said that sam cars dog was the one that was giving him the orders hence son of sam Uh, but this is what david had to say Uh about his first meeting with michael car as far as the process church went I met him and at that party and uh, we just kind of got acquainted. He was basically an outgoing guy with a lot of

Zip, you know a lot of wild crazy ideas Uh, we began to talk about the occult. It just came up. I was kind of like a misfit at the party I didn't know anybody. So I was just hanging out over there and uh, he you know, so we started the rap and uh, One thing led to another. I wanted to take me to this park, you know and uh meet some people It's very interesting and again. I want to put this out there mark us and I know I'll put this out there again dog meeting. I know yeah, um The occult never just comes up We force it into conversations. So I really believe the david berkowitz was the one who brought up the occult

and um, you just happen to find the other guy who probably also alienates everybody at a party Like we tend to do sometimes. Yeah, who was just like, yeah, dude. Yeah the fucking devil You got to come down on this place. I got you got this place. I go over there girls were like bath robes Nothing on underneath them. You can see the noples and the belly button And all these chicks. I still think the creepiest thing about david berkowitz is peter paul and mary I don't understand how he could like peter paul and mary. You love peter paul and mary and james taylor My big thing is the smell of milk under mantis Yeah, yeah, yeah, or the smell of dried milk on shag carpeting

Right. Yeah, so david as he said started attending meetings in nearby untermire park in yonkers where he said he sacrificed german shepherds to sam hayne The druid devil this morritary says is where son of sam really came from son of sam hayne Right, which is really sad because the process church did breed german shepherds But timothy wiley came out and because they said that they sacrificed them because they said that they're strong breeding Of their german shepherds was made them pure and that the sacrificing of them would be as close as you get to sacrificing a virgin But timothy wiley came out and he was just like and the whole thing about sacrificing our dogs We loved our dogs. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Well, no, but uh more after they uh, divorced uh, the uh, the wife marianne

Degrimston she founded an animal shelter called best friend's animal shelter Oh, and she got into a whole lot of trouble for just killing dogs willy nilly Yes, you know that is true, but mostly that was about laundering money. Yeah. Yeah, that is true But yes, these people also killing dogs Yeah, yeah also killing dogs It is worth noting though among all the hearsay and conspiracy It is worth noting that it is a matter of police record that around Untermeyer park in during this time in the 70s three butchered german shepherds with their ears missing were found and

85 skinned all zations, which is a breed of german shepherd were found in nearby walden new york between october 1976 and october 1977 you also will say this if you take russia's song tom Sawyer and you play it backwards It does hypnotically suggest for you to kill a bunch of german shepherds Yeah, it says it in the song so i'm gonna also put some of the blame of that on rush You're gonna blame the hit rock band rush So mori terry's claim is that the children of the process were actually the actual driving force behind the son of sam Murders and david berkowitz was just the gullible patsy who went along with it all

Which is not true He was still the trigger man and according to david berkowitz He was a trigger man at least three of these killings But then he said this is where the multiple shooter thing comes from which is and again What you have here is the strongest the strongest evidence is still the fact that there was just many different Wildly different police sketches from all the different shooting victims But on the other hand the the victims, of course as we know one eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable especially after a traumatic event and two a lot of the eyewitnesses that describe to the sketch artists

Most of the victims didn't see Berkowitz at all like he just shot into the car window and they cowered a lot of the eyewitnesses Came from people who just happened to be in the area at the time and said oh, I saw this shady looking guy Uh, here's a police sketch of them. Yeah, and sketch artists, you know, they're not real artists If they were good, they'd have a loft in the soho Don't say this. No one's such hate mail from this. What? What I also say is that new yorkers in 1977 would do anything to talk to a police officer on friendly terms Because they believe they're doing business networking

They think that if they could get if they could just say a friendly innocent thing to a cop That later on down the line when they're caught from running a legal fish out of the back of their A legal discotech that he they will come and he would be like, you know me. I hope he catches on the same I just can't stop thinking about the ears on the german shepherds. Yeah used for like necklaces Find a guy with the german shepherd necklace So this evidence all of this evidence extremely circumstantial the letters that berkowitz sent to Breslin and uh to the cops they contain references to the cars Particularly the health problems of sam karr. He has many heart attacks and the fact that john karr's nickname

Weedies was mentioned But it is also very possible that david he was their neighbor. He might have just overheard these things and if he did Hang out at the process church if he did hang out with uh john karr and the untermire park It's possible. He just heard these things from time to time. Oh, yeah, dad had a heart attack. Hey weedies come here And also he probably he was literally putting the story together like verbal like what's his name verbal um Climped what's his name from the usual suspects? Oh, it's kaiser sose. Yeah kaiser sose not to spoiler alert um He's i'm sorry kevin spacey's kaiser sose. You don't know that i don't know what to tell you

Um, but he's making this up the story as he goes I think he's doing the same thing just seeing stuff around the house and sees the box of weedies He's like weedies and he just puts it into the letter admittedly though The circumstances behind the deaths of the karr brothers definitely are suspect john karr He was found shot in the face a year and a half after berkowitz was caught the number 666 Were supposedly carved into his hand and the letters ss nyc were carved into the wall behind him son of sam New york city the other karr brother michael

He died in a drunk driving accident on the west side of manhattan despite having a medically documented allergic allergy to alcohol And while many people including police officers on the case at the time surviving victims and a prominent queen's prosecutor believe there were multiple shooters No solid evidence has ever surfaced to support the theory So you they use those two deaths as an evidence of being like it is a Gigantic like web of processed church members throughout the government and built into where the cops into the legal system That are allowing these people to be suicided Yeah, and which is according to timothy wildly completely ridiculous because he's like we only had 80 people

yeah, and uh The the case did get reopened in 1996 the queen's prosecutor did actually reopen the case It was for him. There was enough evidence to reopen it, but it went nowhere However, despite there being no evidence not stopping berkowitz from claiming it to be true He admits to committing three murders, but said that he was only present for the rest He refuses to name names saying he had been forced to give Uh children head honchos pictures and names of his relatives to ensure his silence David's first mention of the process church came in 1993

Just about six years after his final conversion to christianity and his final conversion to christianity is truly a final version to christianity He's straight up. We're gonna go into this. He straight up believes. He's a fucking apostle of jesus christ Yes. Yeah, he waited until he started getting attention for his newfound christian beliefs just like henry lee lucas Wait until he was really getting attention for it Loved the attention that's when he comes out with these claims of satanic and demonic connections And now he's come full circle. He's right back to saying that he was possessed by demons He's right back to saying that sam kars dog Had a demon in it and told him to do all this shit

But he said actually he said that the demon was in him Making the dog sound like it was killing him What the reason why they attached him to the christian church now will attach themselves to david berkowitz We have tv evangelist pat robertson claims that david's story is proof that the devil exists Because he did an appearance on the 700 club in 1997 and then david became a christian celebrity And what they did say they're like this is the story of the bible the buy is he was a man That was literally possessed by a demon and he fought it out himself And he fought it and he was chosen by god

And now a bunch of people gleaned to him and while david's being very humble about it. Oh, he does say he's so humble Oh, so humble. It's not me. It's no. Oh, no. I'm just lit lit working through god's word. I'm just a servant I'm a servant to him is what he keeps saying god Meanwhile, he does not argue when a woman with fucking two foot high hair to him according to this new york New york magazine article is standing there and being like he's an apostle and david just like Bowser's headed nods as if there's a great weight on his shoulders. Yeah, he's like, well, I don't you know I just you know, that's just what they say, you know, I don't I don't know about all that but that's that's you know That's just what they say I have a good

Good, there's a thing that he says in one of his speeches. So the finances. So this reporter got a bunch of leaked Footage of david berkowitz's sermons that he would give and one that he would give was that he'd say I was the son of sam now. I'm the son of hope And in fact, I have Right here on my desk Son of hope the prison journals of david berkowitz and I really we really need to thank our research assistants for slogging through this piece of shit because it is

Boring christian bullshit. It's just him saying. Oh, I've been forgiven. Oh, I God is he is forgiving me and I have fully forgiven myself and a lot of times like he won't refer to the murders He won't say I killed or that time that I killed that girl He'll refer to them as the son of sam murders. He distances himself as much as he possibly can Well, we have to understand is what he said is like paul He has to like the apostle paul. Yes, he has to Uh, forget about his past and move on with the future. The past is the past That's what he keeps saying. He's like, I'd like to forget about it and I'd like to move on and it's like you killed

Six people Those people don't get to forget. Yeah, you did it, man You can't just say I hate this christian bullshit Where you could just get a get a get out of jail free card That is to me is the biggest stinkiest diaper That the christian bullshit leaves behind which is the fact that you can just like pull a parachute To get out of hell So this guy david berkowitz. He also formed alliances with other christian celebrities

Real good buddies with the parents of the girl who said yes from the columbine killer. Okay, that's nice Yeah, he said that uh, what is that? I think it was called cassie's tears He said that it was one of the most important books ever published. That's great. Uh, and Some of his followers they liken him to paul as henry said because paul was a murderer And he turned into an apostle others even compare him to jesus They say that prison is david berkowitz's cross That is what he must bear. That is that is his test Uh, and one of his most fervent followers said quote

God will build a church on david's back and he is just humbled and he is just worried about the anxiety of the Pressure of this but he thinks that if he with the strength of god He can really pull through and and be the leader of this massive church that worships him like he's a deity And he'll be really You know, hopefully he can live up to those standards. Yep. So david berkowitz his entire life an outsider Finally not only belongs somewhere. He's not only loved and respected by others But most importantly He is special. He got everything

Wow, he ever wanted and it only took the deaths of six people the wounding of seven and the fear of eight million To achieve it. It's very interesting It's him and manson him and manson to me that manson is the other one who actually lived his dream for a little bit Manson got to be a pimp and have sex with fucking 15 girls and have a great time and like do a lot of drugs and be a musician he did it For two years before it all came crumbling down, but he got to taste it. Yeah, he got to tell me Amazing. All right. Well, that's the two-parter on david berkowitz the son of sam that took place over the summer Yeah from uh, june 1977 or from june 1976 to june of 1977 almost a full year

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