Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 206: Leonard Lake and Charles Ng Part III - Jocular Type Talk

Episode Date: January 1, 2016

On part three of four of our series on Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, we get into what actually went on in the bunker that Leonard Lake had spent most of his life trying to build. That includes the videotapes, the layout, and the horrifying murder of an entire family. Warning: it gets rough.

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It's an orphan getting food for the first time and just added that to the bevy of characters that are gonna get you fired from heroes This Thursday at 8 p.m. And NBC welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone I am Ben Kizaliz always with Marcus Parks. Hey, and then Henry. Yeah, okay good. It's always me every week I never change. No, you don't change. I have no place to go. Mm-hmm. All right. We're on part three This is gonna be a four-parter, huh? Yeah, we were gonna try to make it a three-parter But man what the more we got into this story the more we realized there's just not you just can't leave anything out It's just all too good. It's all too gruesome to skip over All right, and a very sprawling and complex case extremely so once you get into the details, too

Because the details are so muddled we're trying to piece them all together for you and the case we're discussing is of course Leonard Lake and Charles These two fucks After getting back it's like coming back into the research after doing the crystal special the deck of popcorn Thank you for listening and indulging us I was very happy with it Once you get back to the world you got more and more just been like what two insufferable pieces of shit Oh, they are the worst. Can you imagine them as neighbors? I know a big tall

People imagine them as neighbors and it did not work out. Well. No, no, no, they didn't wake up from that dream No, and they were fucking it's Leonard Lake is a twig swagger and polyamorous Probably the bush hair hanging out of his short shorts Oh, yeah on about how you want to see these pictures of the 16-year-old girl He bald back in the 84 and then you got his Asian goon Who in the first time that you're gonna put into this outline is described as muscular? Oh, he's described as muscular again, and again, but he's not he's a buff cookie He's like a a buff cookie. He's a buff cookie. I saw some pictures. No, no, no, he's like he is a Kim Jong-un

Yeah, oh Kim Jong-un is a lot of muscle underneath that fat. No, that's what my dad kept saying about us Well, well when we left off with Charles Eing and Leonard Lake they had just slaughtered the entire dubs family and Remember that Leonard Lake at this point is still on the run from the gun charges when The cops made the raid on their compound when they got a hold of Charles Hey, but you say on the run as if Leonard Lake is fleeing from the cops No, no, no, he made the choice to live off the grid. That's how Leonard Lake always validates things a truly free man Yeah, he's finally back in the 80s. You could do that. Yeah, you really good

I mean but what yeah, but unfortunately you still could not buy a used car If you're living outside the confines of the law outlaw problems hashtag struggle is real absolutely So after months of looking in the newspaper for just the right vehicle to continue Operation Miranda Leonard Lake finally found the perfect vehicle in a 1980 Honda prelude now nothing says get a woman into a sex basement to tire up raper maker Do your wash and in your cooking like a beautiful beautiful Matt gray Honda prelude Honda prelude And that's brings us to our sponsorship for this episode brought to you by the Honda prelude looking to go kill and murder and maim a woman What I try a prelude and guess what you can keep a dead baby in the glove compartment

sold So the owner of the car wanted in bush hair brown Unfortunately, we only have it in menstrual blood red and orange peel orange orange peel We had no idea bush here bush hair brown was gonna sell out so fast. I'm sorry So the owner of the car was a man named Paul cosner and in an extraordinary coincidence Paul's sister Donna who had worked at us as a trapeze artist for Barnum and Bailey in the early 80s had actually taken a Photo with Sir Lancelot the goat unicorn Honestly, and then we're gonna find out Paul cosner as in most cases of serial killers of and the way they are caught

Paul cosner is the thread that it's going to end up pulling the whole Leonard Lake Charles in case apart He's one of the one of many threads. It all tends to come together. It all comes together in the end And it's got nothing to do with Paul. It's got exactly to do with the rapist special Honda prelude So either way on November 2nd 1984 Charles and Leonard met with Paul cosner and killed him for the Honda prelude evidence showed that They shot Paul in the back of the head as one of them rode in the back seat Never ever going a test drive with a dude in the front and a guy in the back No, again, do not sell shit off of Craigslist and bring them to your house. Don't bring them your house

This isn't Craigslist. This is scarier than Craigslist. This is the newspaper. Yeah, personal ads classified. This is the thrifty nickel You only buy a something from the thrifty nickel as if it's a boy or girl The only things you buy out of a newspaper or like a sander Can't be used for crime. So they can't be killed while testing something you can hold in front of you And you don't have someone behind you with a gun like a boy or a girl. Yeah So not too long after Charles, Aang was released from Leavenworth Leonard and Charles decided to try to get hired at a local moving company these two guys rolling up to fill out a fucking job application so while Aang went ahead and used his real name Leonard Lake decided to instead use the last name

Blake good fake name again Leonard like Exhibiting his ability to make very believable fake name. Yes. He put a bee in front of his last name. Yeah So that was no way they were gonna find him there. Can't question me. It's like Lake But with the bee and while he's saying that out loud at the application like Blake Blake Blake Blake Blake Blake Blake Blake We'll just mark it down for Blake. Yeah, you know what you can go ahead and do that. This is my friend tongue duck No, no, no, no, I never changed the name. I told him and I'll be that way today. I try Chasing all most mighty of the inks Charles. Oh birthday

You're right it down big redness. I never use any small redness only use capital because you may never You know what I bring to friendship what I bring to the movie company when you have me there I'm sure sure. Yeah. Oh me never backer You're the only two that have applied so I am in a tough position. I certainly am not afraid of cabinet Hired well, yes, Charles Aang was hired Leonard Lake Was not because Charles Aang was in much better shape than Leonard Lake because at this how do you lose a job to Charles Aang? Because Leonard Lake had a Randy Quaid body. I see and was not he didn't slide. He was the professional face of the movie

Well, you know Dennis moving company would very soon come to regret their decision to hire Charles Aang for Charles was an odd employee to say the least he of course continued his classic chance No, Kim. No, three moved in Mira. Do not break his bedrock And no gun no fun. I oh, what is this umbrella stand? Oh, you must be very rich have own garbage came from bears But the thing is with garbage came from prayers you throw out the emperors It's got an easy last name to spell But a much more cryptic and creepy the catchphrase had been added this one was daddy dies

Mommy cries baby fry, which is he's really good at this This is what the man was chanting as he was moving things out of someone's house or into someone's house You've paid this man and then a squat Kim Jong-un man with Jeffrey Dahmer glasses is chanting daddy cries daddy dies mommy cries baby fries as he's been like the cabinet in the corner Oh Tell me women can never make decision for where to put furniture That is why they must be bound and wrapped and forced to wash and cook for you Anyways, where do you want me to put down the corner? Just put it in the corner. Thanks

That's the things what he would say is it later when they asked him about this during the trial This is what he would say he used these chants in the spirit of I know nice very jacquero jacquero type of rocker room talk. It was jacquero jacquero jacquero jacquero jacquero No, yeah, I took around and so when I say how a teacher would say joke round. I said jacquero jacquero Will the record show that he meant jacquero How's the pro guys jacquero? Yeah. Yeah, no gun. No fun thing Yeah, it's funny for your football players or cross players. They get together and they all riff about all you know Got no fun. It's not yeah, I'll be fun. You don't know what I bring to the movie company a lot of jocular attitude

Yeah, that's good super jocular Well the the moving company like they did not take him seriously at all like he he was just they just treated him as kind of an Accenture dude and in fact they working at a moving company Yeah, they drew little caricatures of like a little Chinese guy Of course with the big glasses and the bug teeth and they would write no kill no thrill above it He loved it. He loved it. It's jocular. That is jocular. That is jocular. That's boys having fun Yeah, that's boys being boys super jocular and of course as Everywhere Charles, Inge went some people did kind of like him

He had one friend his name was Perry McFarland and Perry ate dinner with Charles every once in a while and in between moving jobs They'd practice spin kicks and their spare time lose That's a good that's a good friend man. She should have stayed with this guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no You kick fuck higher. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What you do here? Oh, you look You know, I don't mean to offend never mean to offend Oh, it's most honorable with food people who offend to Charles, Inge But I have to say you look gay when you cook right when you kick like that. Okay, sir Yep, you guys stick it up. Yeah, McFarland. Yes, Tim. Thank you, but super hat. Oh, now you're doing a candy cake

Mm-hmm. We should do this before we eat next time. Yes, I am nourishes. Yeah, always getting sick Of course Most people did not like Charles, Inge cuz I gotta tell you Charlie I you know hanging out with this is like I just don't think most people really understand what you bring to the table in a friendship I mean at this point the only thing that he does bring into the into the friendship is kicking pencils out of your hands, right? But everybody had a friend like this. I had a friend like this. I definitely had a friend. It was this dude Forget his name. I slapped him in the face. I got insurable playing chess with him I got mad with him who's a hovis witness

But his whole thing was that he would hit himself all the time and he like break stuff over his head We're all like this guy is great. God knows what he's doing You slap the Jehovah's Witness over a game of chess. Yes, I used to have rage issues I also my sister once beat me in a game of risk At this we were having a vacation with my cousins and she beat me in the game of risk and I flipped the whole table Yeah So of course most of these employees they did not get along with Charles His main rival was a man named

Charles Parenteau who also happened to be the person who took a chance on the strange oddly muscular Chinese man During one argument they were having about the workload Parenteau yelled you god damned Chinaman. I never should have gotten you this job You don't think I got myself the job. Look at these strong charges. Look at these strong knees You don't know what I bring to move a company. You don't know what I bring parents Yeah, you don't know what I did me and my buddy ran or I hate him He hates when I say where he hates when I say ran my friend

Oh, and I couldn't have you mean Leonard Leonard Leonard. I said Leonard Strong knees and strong shoulders. That's really all you need to move Yeah, and the ability to work well with others. Yeah, there's a team and it's always don't talk to one another Do they aren't they busy moving? I'm sure we have some people who do I mean if you listen to podcast in your mover Tell us do you have friends? Work as a team is it important to keep a core understanding of what the job is so the Chinaman comment among many other Comments concerning Ing's Chinese ancestry would eventually push Ing towards murder Charles Parenteau

Disappeared on Super Bowl Sunday 1985 the same day that local hero Joe Montana led the San Francisco 49ers to a 38 to 16 victory over the Miami Dolphins and Dan Marino's one and only Super Bowl appearance. Thank you. Thank you dog meat Is that fact just to attack Ed Larson right from the round table? Yeah, kind of yeah, Dan Marino Never won a Super Bowl. You never had a chain, you know, he choked Dan Marino made it to one Super Bowl And then he win it. Nope. No, you lost. He lost it He choked like George Bush on a pretzel if you remember that I do that was funny Yeah, I remember that yeah, yeah, Joe Montana some would argue a superior quarterback to Dan Marino

Yeah, don't say that that's fighting words. We're gonna get some hate mail. Charles Ing, it was game day It was game day for Marino Everybody out there eating at Buffalo Rain Everybody out there eating a tostita chip you mix it in this salsa. Yes. I know it's a savory snack and I enjoy But that is the day I used for most of various activity. What's that? I can't Ritchie permanent. Yeah, I didn't mean for him. Yeah, I would don't know what I bring see the game though Yep. Yeah, I mean Jim Montana very impressive

Marino, huh? Yeah, Marino rich shit to bed. Yeah Later during the trial Charles Ing would claim that he lured lured parent toe to the cabin with the promise of a freelance Moving gig now Aang who's still to this day denies committing any murders himself Said that Lake shot parent toe in the head burned the body and spread the charred bones around the property using a bucket But this wouldn't be the only murder that Aang would commit at Dennis moving company another one of his co-workers Jeff Gerald strange combo of two first names as a whole name. Yeah, Jeff Jerry He was the bass player for the up-and-coming local rock band crash and burn. Oh cool Yeah, yeah, yeah, he would go missing later on that year

You remember that and they had that hit album that was almost headed I think it hit number a thousand fourteen on the charts called a margarita of mayhem. Oh, yeah I love that song. It was pretty good. Yeah, it does remind me of we did see about it for Christmas We saw a steel a um Steely Dan Steely Dan cover band called Raised by Wolves R-A-Z-E-D Well, if you were raised by a wolf, how do you learn how to play guitar? See the reason why Jeff Gerald disappeared was because Aang had taken issue with Jeff leaving work for a week for quote-unquote Personal reasons while still retaining his position of seniority

See Aang believed that Jeff he should have to start back at the bottom when he came back. It's a how's he gonna come? How's he gonna come back after leaving for personal reasons? Where he go? Oh, sorry. Where he go? Where Jeff? It's the vacation I think he's really exhausted. Yeah. Yeah, you know think I know exhausted look at my eyes how to squint Oh, you make race a comment about how I age it and I tell you I just quit I because my eyes tired how many times I look at boxes Did you want to take any time off? We'd love if you took me like Vietnam in Vietnam. Thanks for fear People near what I brought to the Marines and in there what brought to the middle of a camp with you I should be senior officer

Yeah, I came up to you I move I move mirror with most our equity with most grace under fire Yeah, alacrity Fundal miss miss a fundamental misunderstander grace on the fire Everybody's a bunch of ink. Oh, he could cucumber He's still want to run deep with that Charles. Oh Senior officer. Oh, Jeff Jerry. Oh, I'll kill you. Oh, I'll kill you with me. My body ran out. What was that? It's reynard my best friend

Oh, I see I recognize that is what Inge said that actually happened He said that when he was complaining to Leonard Lake about this situation Inge or Lake told him it should quote-unquote It should be like numb as an ink should just kill whoever he needed to in order to advance in the moving company and kill Gerald he did but no word on whether it actually worked and we remembered Leonard Lake spend Vietnam twisting dials far away from the war That's right. Yeah So as we said on the last episode the actual timeline of Leonard Lake and Charles Inge's crimes is Muddled to say the least at least from the sources that we have if I could drive to California and look up missing persons reports

I would but I can't Marcus would I totally would and I mean his girlfriend would leave him But he would she'd come with me. She'd have to Fusion of couple one with weird teeth. The other one a beautiful lady. They're in a 1980 prelude Second oh, that's the abductor special. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They actually got the the pubic hair Oh, whatever. No way. Yeah, big trunk on that. Mm-hmm beautiful But at any rate we believe that it's around this time that Leonard Lake and Charles Inge capture their first M lady. This is when shit gets a little bit serious Kathleen Allen she was a high school student working part-time in a supermarket in San Jose

her boyfriend Mike Carroll was a local hood and drug dealer who had done time with Charles Inge and Leavenworth prison and he was still involved in various illicit dealings with Inge at the time of his disappearance which I feel like at the same time because Charles Inge and Leonard Lake were sort of And this time like what we talk about with serial killers a lot. They were they were slowly ramping up Yeah, their crimes were kind of all over the place Charles Inge again was a kleptomaniac Maniac he was just a fucking maniac who would just go he was doing everything that was dirty. He was it was a sneak He was a liar. He would cheat everybody that he could and basically just was Surrounded by these hoods and Mike Carroll just so happened to be dating Kathleen Allen and much dirt

I mean her bad luck. Just yeah, you know get family to help you move. Yeah, you know if you're moving friends Friends family give them give them some free pizza some beer. They'll do it. They'll do it You got to do the maitre with movers. You leave out a dish of coins, right? See if they take any of it. What you I have been doing is you run current through them. Oh Oh, good. You're a lot. You're gonna You see their skeleton like a brash flight and they're just nothing but a skeleton It's a Joker in the first Batman movie. Yes, you know, you have dishonest you you will electrocute the movers to the death So one night after finishing up his shift at Domino's

Mike Carroll told a co-worker that he was heading up to San Francisco to buy some video equipment from a friend Carol was missing for two days before Kathy got a call at the Safeway where she worked after the call ended She told her supervisor that she needed to take at least two weeks off of work because her boyfriend had been shot and She needed to go take care of it So he left the Domino's and then there the girlfriend of the Safeway. Yes, real American tale Oh, absolutely Oh, you know, this is hard of the country and then like how many how many times has this manager heard that he did a cashier Need to leave because her boyfriend just got shot. Yeah, yeah classic Safeway

Yeah, and she's got to go take care of it, of course, but now with an actuality She received a call from Leonard Lake saying that we have your boyfriend We are holding him hostage because he busted up a deal for us And so you need to come basically as collateral to show up or bring us money Yeah, which is much like what happened with Charles Manson. Yes. It was the drug deal gone bad Hey, you've got to come and bail this guy out. But for some reason Kathy Allen, the best she could come up with was He's been shot. I got to go take care because yeah, that just sounds vague enough To not be immediate crime problems. I don't know Leonard Lake was about to eat his employee pizza

as well from Domino's so the last anyone actually saw of Kathy Allen was her climbing into the 1980 Honda Prelude and the last time she was heard from was later on that night when she called a friend To kind of tell her where she was going the only things that she said about the man that was giving her a ride Was that he was quote-unquote kind of weird and kept insisting that he'd take pictures of her But Kathy Allen kept telling her friend listen. It's fine. I just want to let you know that I'm going to be out of town for a little bit But don't worry about it again Ladies who listen to the podcast men even who listen to the podcast It's easy to just say you're a photographer

Right because you could just say oh, I take pictures. I do this. Please. Let me just see the nipples. Let me see the nipples And then take a picture of it that no one is a photographer pretty if there are like 10 real photographers like Robert maple Thorpe The other guy the rapist guy. Um, the guy Richardson the guy from who does the oscars lines, uh Getty the getty images just them. There are no photographers. No, so just Just bet that they're not Just know they're not everyone's taking pictures nowadays though. It was it was creepier back then I would assume this is a polaroid or something. Well, yeah, because he had to fill the thing with the powder and then That's from texas trains on massacre. Yeah, that's the beginning of texas trains on massacre

So by the time cathie showed up at the cabin her boyfriend mike was Long dead, but she didn't know this she did not know this and this was something that uh Leonard lake and charles eng would use on all of their captives to kind of hang over their head But cathie would be the first of two women that we know of to suffer from videotape Psychological and physical torture at the hands of Leonard lake and charles eng as their Mlady, this is the culmination Of a fantasy that Leonard lake has had since he was a teenager which is very interesting because in his first video diary entry

he he explains uh, what which I think is uh indicative Of who he is as a person that he said I wonder how far I'll go Yeah with these videos and my ideas, uh, and it's I'm not saying it's laudable, but he definitely fulfilled his dreams and he made it happen He did um and he followed through it's really fucked up because he really did in order to make this happen He had to go through such efforts

This is really showing just how much maniac Leonard lake is in order to have a sex dungeon You are already put into the top 3 percentile of horrible maniacs that exist in the world I would say too. I'm not gonna say that it was that difficult of a thing It's not like I mean it wasn't renting the damn place out in williamsburg for try to say It was a shit dungeon, but he had to keep killing people to take their ideas. That was hard I think you're giving them a little bit too much credit It's pretty easy to just kill someone and put them in a in a dungeon. You saying that very flippantly like No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know. I mean really he kind of makes I mean aria if aria castro can do it

I know it's true Yeah, a lot of borderline retarded people that have held people hostage as sex slaves for a long time Yeah, but uh, but on the other hand, you know, it's like I would say it's good. No, it's not good. No, we do not endorse it. No, of course not But you know what you can't you know measure a fish by how well he can climb a tree, you know You've been in texas for too long. It's the problem. Do you have too long of a christmas break with all your nature analogies? Oh, that's just all I might as well just give a horse a hat Well, if you're gonna be going and you might as well give a biscuit some boots

We're gonna go ahead and rape a woman in a closet. I'm voting for biscuits and boots for mayor. Oh, yeah Well, there's a pretty contentious mayor race going on in jayton texas right now. So, you know, it's not polite to it's not I got a guy named like jay ferrell and a Fucking crock pot full of stew. Oh, but I love stew. I love stew. I like stew stew's honest stew and never lie Now it's back to serious. Now it's back to super serious like awful. Okay. Yeah So all of the m-lady quote-unquote sessions for lack of a better word I don't really know what else to call it

We're eventually found on one videotape in a plastic barrel Buried in the linard's front yard. So in the first session with Kathy She's seen sitting fully clothed on a recliner with her hands tied around her back and she is absolutely Petrified she she is on it's almost like she is incapable of moving. Well, it's absolutely because When you're a part of something so shocking I think that's a that's an interesting thing to talk about because we always kind of talk about like if you're a victim of this Or if you're being held hostage or if you're being kidnapped You want to say you'd be freaking out and fighting and go into the edge

But it's like honestly shock comes over the body pretty quickly. You know what I do what I'm making iron man suit Somebody's thinking. Yeah, somebody's thinking somebody's really thinking with that little buddy that's in there with you Yeah, the cell that's you know looking for revenge for his family with paltrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be French Yeah, yeah, she's got a whole iron man recipe on goop. Right? Yeah, great name for a website Yeah, but but Henry's absolutely right when you really when you talk to a lot of people the the fight or flight People talk about the fight or flight instinct. Sometimes neither one happens. You're just going to shock. Yeah, it's just full on shock Because most of you don't believe it's happening exactly your brain pops a gasket

Just something just completely pops and people talk about this in Huge disasters people talk about this in 9 11 and the Oklahoma City bombings and suicide bombings around the world A lot of people just talk about these unbelievable things that happen Your brain just doesn't compute and you just kind of stand there Or if you talk about in terms of like and watching making a murderer when they talk about the Getting eliciting the confessions from Brendan Dassey when you watch this kid a lot of it's also kind of disbelief I mean Brendan Dassey was just also developing developmentally disabled He had a learning disability and trying to get a confession out of him

You just kind of believe like oh if I just follow these people's orders, I'll be done and then I can go home Same thing with the kid in the west Memphis 3 case You know, it's like if you end the same thing that happens in the uh, you know all of the satanic panic stuff It's just like well if I just fall along with this then if I just go with the flow then I can get out of here I can go home because no one really believes that what you're going to do is lead to your death or your permanent like Incarceration. Yeah, so you just kind of handle it and this is it's very it's very brutal the videos are very brutal Same thing with goats What?

Goats will just they'll go right down. You spent too long alone on Christmas. No. No goats will go right down Oh the fainting goat you scare a goat. It'll go right down. What's up, but you know what I'm thinking about a goat I watch I watch the animal planet. I know you scare a goat it goes down But you could also just feed a goat goats are meant to stay in cages Yeah, goats are captive animals. Nothing's meant to stay in a cage. Goats are meant to be on roofs. That's that's right Well, that is a Texas thought I think goat's supposed to be my Jamaican stew Like that goat stew

Well as far as speaking to your your point about if you just go along with this then everything will be okay And maybe you'll get out of this Uh, the beginning of the video Leonard Lake's just he's kind of explaining to her like What her life's going to be like for the next couple of weeks? Uh, and this is what he said kind of and also Yes, the the videos are out there, but the sound quality is so low and so Garbled that if we played it right now, you wouldn't be able to understand it without subtitles. Yeah, so that's what it's sad Yeah, because I wanted to actually hear his voice, but I'm not going to do his exaggeration

I mean, he's just exactly as you imagine him. He's just dead panned dead sold dead voiced Uh, kind of it's almost it's just a matter of fact almost boring and vaguely condescending as well Super condescending toy bucks killer s. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, very much so Uh, but this is what he said uh to uh, Kathy after explaining to her what was going to happen if you don't go along with this We're going to take you into the bed tie you down Shoot you and bury you and that's pretty

In line with the type of threats that he makes to Kathy from then on because then he believes he was in total control Yeah, and their confidence has gotten so huge at this point that they they really do believe that they are that Then being nice to them for not immediately killing them. Yeah. Yeah, they're justifying themselves at every turn So the third one is actually the most disturbing The third show is Kathy Allen lying on a bed wearing nothing but cut-off jean shorts Her wrists are handcuffed. Her ankles are bound Leonard he's taken pictures of her acting like it's just another modeling session and that's that's what really makes this creepy

Is that you just you see after hearing for so long about Leonard Lake Doing these photo sessions taking all these photos of these nude and scantily clad women Most of which he's just kind of talked them into you really see it and you really see how he sees these women. Well, he Truly does mean it when he says I want an off-the-shelf lover. This is what he he this is what he's always wanted It's this it's this pedantic like kind of male view of it's very strange of like keeping this woman captive And so that he could do whatever he wants with her completely use her as a as a as a piece of meat and and It's only for his sexual fantasy is horrible human being yeah And this is what he tells her as he is taking photos

I told you there's a lot of things I'd like to do with you that I know you wouldn't like And even though it shouldn't make any difference to me in terms of what you like and what you don't like I've tried to respect your feelings as best as I can in these matters On the other hand when I tell you to do things. I tell you things that are very important to me that I want you to do Wow, wow well nerd alert this guy is such a jerk off Well, yeah, what happens when a nerd that is bullied or not? He was never bullied But someone who is not seen upon as like a tough dude by other guys as soon as they have a little power This is exactly what they sound like it's exactly what we've been talking about the last two episodes

It's like this is the attitude of like the internet guy the ineffectual internet nerd the types of things that you hear Leonard Lake say the types of things that you read about that he wrote in his journal It's the same things that you'll see if you go to a reddit thread and like the men's rights Oh The guy who shoots in like five seconds as soon as he touches He like comes in his pants all the time blames the woman Yeah, yeah, and then believes it you know the women are play things and they're not equally It's it's a it's someone who has no understanding them because of the internet in our time in age

It's like these are people that are increasingly more isolated and porn In that way is very bad because it kind of just watches these women who are supplyant Live things that only do things that like basically are like sex slaves and sex craze And they're speaking of porn I'm sure a lot of people looked at these photos and things like that and that got off on them and all that Uh, yeah, we'll get we'll definitely get later into what Leonard Lake might have done with some of these videos Uh, and I'm sure people yeah, you're right. I'm sure people watch these videos that are online And I'm sure it fucking turns them right the fuck on but I understand being into consensual like btsm stuff

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's totally different. There's there's zero wrong with that like that's that's that is a healthy fantasy But Leonard Lake's fantasy involves it being real. Well, it's about, you know, but truly Unable to do anything for yourself and to think for yourself That is the thing that makes him most sexually excited is someone that is completely under his dominance somebody who he's like a middle manager You know, I mean, he's just one of these. He's just a he's just a piece of shit It reminds me of my boss at uh at borders in Tallahassee who used to wear pewter rings Oh, yeah, he used to like talk about how he's just like we should all do sometimes is like maybe after work We could all get a drink and stuff like that. He just wanted to fuck everybody. Yeah. Yeah

That's why I always dress uh if I ever uh play around with a gal and we have role playing She is dressed like Darth Vader and I'm a stormtrooper and I do the dishes Yeah, it's kind of a thing I do. That makes me upset It's a good way to do the dishes. Yeah, that's a that's a real weird So, I mean hasn't worked yet. Oh, yeah, I'm completely unaroused. Also, it's like it's very um commercially viable. Yeah And trendy right super trendy on on fleek That is on fleek bay That is that is not ratchet what you're saying. I'm gonna hand it all that out smh

What is that smdh? Shake my hand everything's smh side. I side. I man. I'm feeling that Yeah, ratchet So in between sessions Kathy was held prisoner in the bunker that had been years in the making for Leonard Lake both physically And mentally this is something that he had spent years thinking about and it's something that he spent years Constructing at first glance the bunker seemed like just a normal storage shed tools hanging from the walls shovels picks and

And such and such but if you turned around You'd see a wall covered from top to bottom in photos of naked or scantily clad women Have you guys ever seen a shed like this? Most sheds are like most sheds actually. This is how janitors live. I was with a janitor bob at uh in middle school I'm pretty sure it was deer pictures and women. Yeah, I don't know what he was jerking off to both That's a problem that begin to cross streams. It's like I'll just wish I could be normal Yeah, yeah, oh man. I wish I could sit at a desk and sit. I gotta mop the desk Well, he had a great magazine called deer chicks

It's just a dead deer next to a woman's spread eagle and they're like which hole does the pole go Right kind of a choose your own adventure type So if you went further Into so if you did a little bit of a closer inspection of the actual shed You could see that there was a bookcase that you would be able to move and behind the bookcase Was a door that led to a narrow passageway the first stop Was a chamber that police who discovered it would later call the living area and in here

They found a bed a table with a lamp a dresser and of course a copy of the collector on the bookshelf Nerd. You're such a jerk off. Nerd, unbelievable And at the end of the passageway sat the prison cell itself It was three and a half feet wide by six and a half feet long and totally soundproofed On one end of the room was a two and a half foot wide platform with a foam rubber pad resting on top And on the other end was a five gallon plastic bucket and a roll of toilet paper And one of the walls was just a big one-way mirror that faced into the living area And what they found on the other side of the mirror was a chair

And next to it was a night vision goggles So the idea is that he would shut off all of the lights in the whole area and watch her through night vision goggles Like silence of the lambs. Yes. It's a lot like silence of the lambs He just I just think he'd like the night vision goggles I don't want to make too much of a joke about it, but it's just what an asshole Yeah, it's it's super asshole stuff, but it's also about the terror. It's also extra marines of him. Yeah, it's It's extra marines, but it's also about Seeing a woman in complete and total pitch darkness in absolute terror in absolute

Misery and knowing that he caused it and that he was in complete and total control of this woman And this is how and he also had a list of roles to be in complete and total control of this woman On the opposite wall of the two way of the one-way mirror There was a list of roles type all in caps. This is what it said One I must always be ready to service my master. I must be clean brushed and made up with my cell neat Two I must never speak unless spoken to unless in bed. I must never look my master in the eye But must keep my eyes downcast Three I must never show my disrespect either verbally or silent

I must never cross my arms or legs in front of my body or clench my fists and unless eating must always keep my lips Parted. Number four. I must be obedient completely and in all things. I must obey immediately And without question or comment. Number five. I must always be quiet when locked in my cell Number six. I must remember and obey any additional rules told to me I must understand that any disobedience any pain trouble or annoyance caused by me to my master Will be grounds for punishment and that was about the only thing that these women had to stare at for Days maybe even weeks. We don't know for sure how long these women were kept in this cell Uh, we don't know how many videos were actually made. There are rumors that videos of these women's actual

Rape and murder were sold to a private erotica collector But there's absolutely no proof that I know of to back that up But considering how lake was in the habit of selling homemade tapes of cricket playing the part Of his in ladies. It's not the most far-fetched concept around Well, he seems like because he's been sharing their homemade porn for years. Yeah, right They've been already doing this So I feel like it would just go out there and there are a lot of people especially at time Can you imagine having to go to a private erotic salesman to get this stuff? That's where the real

Old snuff stuff. That was the stuff that was like shown at like roblo's and charlie sheen's parties back in the 80s came from Yeah, sure. And if you guys have ever seen these, I don't know if you've ever seen these but uh, you know, remember in twin peaks the The magazine that laura palmer and ronette pilaski place the ads in have you guys ever actually seen one of those I got a truck stop magazine like truck stop personals or no these aren't these are swingers magazines These are these back in the day where ads that swingers would put in and they would send naked pictures to other Swingers they would send videos to other swingers And that's the type of world that he was living in sure porno stores existed back then plenty of them

But these were people that got off on the grittiness of it. You know to this day It isn't that was the old school amateur porn back then. That's how you got amateur porn You had to make friends with the amateurs first That's one thing I'll say thank you to the internet for yeah, because I love amateur porn But I would definitely wouldn't make friends with an a linard and cricket to get some Can you imagine them having to hang out? It's like I'm like having a weed dealer who like hangs out for 25 minutes Just like talking about soccer like having to talk with them I mean, yeah, definitely. You just want to smoke the weed

But I mean, I guess you can smoke weed with your drug dealer, but you can't exactly jerk off with your porn Uh, you know smut peddler. I actually think you can yeah He's like, yeah, you want to test the wares and well cricket just going like yeah aim for the wet hoe Wait for the spot. She's dire eat next to the fireplace. Well, you know, maybe if that's the case Snaggly tooth Linard Lake after this after Kathleen Allen he returned to his journal which He no longer hand wrote everything after Kathleen Allen. He started typing everything and this is what he typed I've learned that my programming and my youth that which is called morality either was not given or was given poorly

To all purposes save a very few. I have no morality in terms of life or death neither seem to move me Why is it the guys like this always have the same vocabulary? They have the same cadence. They have the same It's dickhead language. It's dickhead language. Exactly. It's it's a guy who couldn't go to be a cop language Yes, exactly what it is. It's that military style too. They just believe they're superior to everybody else It's condescending towards humanity It's it's talking to yourself as if you are the only person in the world who can possibly understand your genius Which is true and then those whole time charles england was just cooking in the kitchen

He was forced to cook most of the time. We'll talk about this So lake in engs next and as far as we know Last victims possibly be their most tragic and certainly their most cruel Lonnie bond 27 Brenda O'Connor 19 and their infant son Lonnie bond jr. Move to a house not 100 yards from Leonard lakes cabin in january of 1985 Leonard and the couple took an almost immediate dislike to each other lake introduced himself as Charles gunner that charles and told them that he was a quote-unquote professional photographer And he's just like hey, just let me know um

Did your baby have tits because that'd be great if your baby had tits I'd really like to take pictures of a baby with tits I don't know why they didn't get along. Hi, my name is skinny charles skinny charles interesting Well as a gesture of goodwill when they first moved in he took some photos of them as a family like a nice little It's like yeah, you know, I'm a professional photographer I'll just take some candid photos of you guys just like hey, we're neighbors. Let's start off on the right Our first thing boys girls. How about we switch tops, huh? Okay? Okay. Okay. Okay. No switch pants. All right. Now that we made some money. Let's make some art

Terrifying So less than a month after the family moved in lake had gone from the weird guy next door to a full-blown as bond put it Quote real pain in the ass Yeah, he's over there and his coochie cutters talking about how it's the end of the world Then the cyanide tablets and how he's got like, you know, you got to come over the house and see his pornos with His 16-year-old girl and it just like man this fucking guy's just not leaving this pot luck He is a pain in the ass. He brought nothing. Yeah, he brought half a can of warm schlitz and of the three-year-old cranberry sauce glid. I like the schlitz, but yeah

So not only did he constantly and this is somewhat ironic He would constantly complain about bond's use of guns on his own property For target practice because if we remember Using guns was what got Leonard Lake kicked out of the idyllic ranch community in the first place Buddhism they say that that which upset us about others is that which is most true about ourselves. Isn't that something? powerful Not only that but his requests for pictures were now directed towards brinda alone and we're getting Super force weird. Why would that happen? That's weird

The other person involved in this whole scene was lawni's And the other person involved in this whole scene was lawni bond's best friend scott staplie Who is also the co-founder of the san diego chapter of the garden guardian angels? Oh, yeah, that's a volunteer neighborhood watch type group that was started here in new york city in the 70s The last time tough dudes wore berets. Mm-hmm And it all came to a head in late april of 1985 from what we can piece together from comments made by lake and eng During their subsequent video sessions with brinda o'connor It appears that linard invited the couple their child and their friend scott over for dinner

And managed to separate brinda from the men and since the men were obviously a very real threat And the baby was worse than useless to lake and eng it's thought that those three met relatively quick deaths, but Evidence suggests that they were probably toyed with at least for a little while before they were actually killed Well, they said about paul and i'm sure happened the same thing to these two men Is that paul had a gun stuck in his mouth when they found him and his teeth are all broken? Yeah, by the barrel of the gun. Oh, well what they found with these men They found that they had both had Ball gags in their mouths

And their wrists and their ankles were bound and there was obvious with them They had tried to struggle quite hard of course, but they it was there was obvious evidence of them trying to get free And they have both been shot in the head. You gotta follow the ball gag What there's a store running out of ballgags Follow the ball how many ballgags do these people have that's true. No, they were making their own ball. They were making the ball Gags. Yeah, that's how you do. You know, they went to the eldorados and you just buy a ballgag No, how many times you walk around looking for a ballgag? But hey, I don't do it that often I'm just saying oh, they're making homemade ballgags. He's a truly free man, man. They're indie

I'm just saying it's diy Check the receipts for the ballgags So concerning the baby now, we know that the two men were killed with shots to the head Concerning the baby Charles Ng would later say that Leonard Lake Killed Lonnie Bond jr. By putting the baby's head between his thighs And twisting the upper body and this was at Charles request who wanted it done quickly Ng also said that the men were actually shot by Lake in their own home while Brenda was out shopping

The context clues from various sources point towards Ng murdering Everyone except Scott Stapley and the next time anyone saw Brenda She was tied to the same chair that Kathy Allen was tied to months or even weeks before And this is the video that you'll see when when you look up Leonard Lake Charles Ng videos if you do if you're a monster Look, I am and you see a bare-chested Leonard Lake with his beer gut hanging over his pants And he's cutting the clothes off of her with the scissor Yeah, and Lake spends a fair amount of time teasing about whether Brenda's family is dead or alive

The same thing he did with Kathy Allen And most of what he talks about is just I mean, it's just absolute nonsense Uh, and he tells Brenda that her baby is going to be given away to a family in Fresno But I think that these statements that he makes I think they're he he's being confusing and kind of obtuse on On purpose. He wants her to be confused. He wants her to be completely disoriented It's telling her because there's somebody who's saying up to this point She's been struggling it's saying whatever he could say to her to get her to stop struggling so that he it will be easier for him To get her into the other room. Yeah, that's just all he's doing. He's just throwing out nonsense

He's just saying whatever it was to get her to shut up. Yeah, exactly horrible. Yeah And this is when Lake told her what he actually had in store for her Brenda. You have a choice We'll give it to you right now You can cooperate with us by cooperating with us. That means you will stay here as our prisoner You will work for us. You will wash for us. It will fuck for us Or you can say no, I don't want to do that In which case we'll tie you to the bed. We'll rape you then we'll take you outside and shoot you your choice Of course, this woman is absolutely terrified. She's as far as she knows

Her baby and her husband's life is on the line and she says I'll cooperate Uh, and later on when charles in comes into the scene He says you can cry and stuff wreck the rest of them, but it won't do you no good. That's for sure You're pretty. Hey, could hurt it. So to speak I don't joke around before I do bad things because it's only when I did the moving things I joke around about what I bring to friendship. You want jennison chicken charles in may general sales chicken for the for the woman In in this scenario

In this scenario to try to lighten the horrible. Oh, I see. Oh, we've been talking about for like the last 10 minutes or so It's hard to do the charles in voice seriously. It's hard to do the charles in voice seriously But I felt that it was important to include that statement I think so too because he was a part of it. He was a part of it and what this also implies Is when he says you can cry and stuff like the rest of them that implies Rest of them implies done this much that they've done this a lot that it wasn't just kathy allen that kathy allen That there was a lot of other victims and when we cover the trial This is how charles in is trying to downplay his role and everything

But this is basically what puts him in jail forever Yeah, this is I mean one of a few things that put him in jail, but really what puts charles in jail more than anything else is Defending himself on the stand We can't wait Wait until the testimony of charles in it's everything he's ever done Everything he's ever done is supposed to have put him in jail and the way he's just not Oh, he's not a slick customer. Are we saving everything else for part four? That's part four, man. Oh, all right. Is that the end of part three? Absolutely, I can't take any more. There's no more. I can't take any more. Absolutely not, but it almost it almost is

Oh my goodness, and you know, we don't know exactly how long brinda was held captive for But we do know that it was at least two months between her capture and the capture of linard lake and charles In and that is the end of part three We'll be back on the next episode good lord with their capture linard lake how he responds to capture and how charles ing responds to capture. All right. I'll tell you what he's loud Yeah, terrible stuff. Yeah, this is a heavy way to bring in 2016. Yeah. Yeah, you know, we gotta yeah We're in 2015 with this one and we're bringing in 2016 with part four of linard lake and charles in you have resolutions

Do people have new year's eve resolutions? Yeah taking better care of my teeth. I bought an electric toothbrush and some new mouthwash to Heal up my gums a little because they are bleeding I don't know what I don't have any resolutions But uh, I asked ed larson if he had any and his was to go to new orleans Actually, that's a pretty great resolution travel plan. That's not a resolution. I mean Resolution is to travel more. That's what I said, but you can't just like go to new orleans I mean just get in the middle man. You gotta travel where you have to make a decision to travel more

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