Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 207: Leonard Lake and Charles Ng Part IV - Roughly Ten Cats

Episode Date: January 7, 2016

It's the conclusion to the saga of Leonard Lake and Charles Ng on this week's Last Podcast as we cover the pair's inevitable arrest, the gruesome discoveries made after their capture, and the bizarre trial of Charles Ng.

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One of those funny American gladiator jokes. All right, welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone I am Benjamin Kissel as always staring at the very handsome Marcus Parks He's got a lot of clothes on cuz it's freezing bang. Oh, right. Yeah, is it cold enough for you? Yeah, we got this Joker over here People say I'm the funny one around the office sure because me and Monday is just like Round me up so much. I'm gonna bring a gun in here Watercooler talk that's what I told Brenda and I said Brenda you say one more goddamn passive-aggressive word about my calendar choice I'm gonna crucify you in front of the fucking attorney

District. Oh, I love that. I don't even know office terms anymore. That's how long it's been since I've had an office The attorney district. Yeah, that's right That's right and Tina Fey walks in with Alec Baldwin and it's just comedy goals attorney district this this year with with Lana Del Rey as a water cooler Oh, oh tail Ioni as another water cooler. Oh, isn't that exciting? All right. Well speaking of exciting We're on part four of Leonard Lake and Charles eng Man, we are bringing it all back home on this episode. I mean last episode, of course That was I would say probably the most disturbing as far as the tapes go

But this episode we're gonna be getting into the actual trial of Charles eng. Um, he is an unpleasant human being and we're gonna cover this more and more of course in this episode These are two rude dudes. That's what I would call Leonard Lake and Charles eng super rude dudes super rude dudes I want to say I Believe that my caricature of Charles eng is barely like is barely larger than life Right is the man now you feel like you're getting some blowback for the character. There's been a little bit of blowback I feel it feels like but I'm gonna just say the man, right is a bad person Mm-hmm, and he is like this

This is what he sounded like if you listen to interviews with him We couldn't play any of the audio clips of him because he is uh, it's all bad audio There's there's some child. There's some trial stuff from him, but it's he sounds like that You nailed it. I nailed it. You just crushed the impression Well, we left off the last episode right after Leonard Lake and Charles eng had exterminated an entire Family just like a lot of other serial killers the thing that would bring down Leonard Lake and Charles eng would be Relatively mundane during a routine trip to the hardware store Charles eng Unable to control himself because of the aforementioned kleptomania picked up a $75 vice hit it in his big

Shoplifters jacket that he had specifically from the shoplifters store. Oh, I like that store absolutely He can't keep anything in there Well, he took the day he took the vice put it in his jacket walked out the store and dropped the tool in the aforementioned 1980 Honda Prelude a Leonard Lake who had been seen walking into the store with the oddly muscular Asian man You keep putting muscular in there and oddly muscular. Yeah, because he just again He just had big shoulders and big knees Yeah, just like inner thigh muscle. What's the odd muscle on the deltoids? Yeah, a big deltoids. Yeah, big delts

Yeah, so Leonard Lake as I said he was seen with the muscular Asian man He was detained until police arrived cops took one look in the Honda Prelude's backseat and saw the vice laying in Plain site and Charles eng was nowhere to be found Oh, yeah, absolutely because you know, we did that thing where he threw the ninja smokeball down And then I was like our most most wrecked shadow. I disappear Smoked disappeared not as thick as a Because he could spin kick so fast. That's right. He was like a helicopter. Yeah, then he would so he would he would See interesting and cops do not look above their eyebrows. Oh, they had to do his hover

Yeah, that's you get above the Hat yeah of the rim of a cop's hat. You're free to go So the vice gave cops probable cause to search the car where they found a Stem Ruga 22 that was registered to one Scott Stapley Who was Lonnie Bond's best friend? He was the guy he was the friend that was killed along with the Bond family now This wouldn't have been a problem for Leonard Lake because he was still using Scott Stapley's ID and passing Well, that's why he would kill the other burly bearded guys or guys with mustaches

He would kill them in order to take their identity other woolly willies. Well Leonard Lake again Like his first arrest for which he had been on the lamp for for the past few years The thing that would take down Leonard Lake was the illegal Modification to the gun now had it not been for the rat for the arrest on the illegal gun modification It is quite possible that Leonard Lake would have been able to talk his way out of the arrest and would have been free To kill again and was the illegal modification? Co-rect me if I'm wrong that was a a pussy on the barrel Yeah, he put a he put a pocket pussy for the barrel of the gun

Yes, it was adorned with a bunch of broken men's teeth I said it made it too scary to sell. Oh, I know it was a silencer So when police ran the registration on the Honda They found that the car belonged to Paul Cosner who had been reported missing around Halloween the year before and the plates on the car Belonged to another missing person Lonnie Bond now. This is how you fuck yourself up Yeah, if you've got a fake ID that barely resembles you and a gun attached to that ID, right? You're like so far the cops are just being lazy. They're just kind of being like, okay

He's obviously not this guy, but you know what it is free doughnut Tuesday, and I got to get over there But once the car then doesn't belong to you the vice never belongs to you And then you have different plates from a different car attached to that car Gone to jail and every person that is attached to every single one of these things has been reported missing now at this point In any trials, we're gonna say if we watched making a murderer He is he is innocent until proven guilty though Martin Just coincidence that these are all dead people attached to the stuff that he was riding around Like what's his sort of a patchwork of a kind of his a quilt type situation going on with all of his victims

A quilt of missing persons and murderers this is again This shows like he thought he had this fucking brilliant plan that this is what you do This is how you hide off the grid when actually it all it took was one little piece of the puzzle like kind of remove One little Jenga piece out of his bullshit, and then he was done Yeah, and in addition to that police also found slide photographs of the entire bond family in the car Not smart not smart so he just carried these with him wherever he went wherever he went Yeah, he just took him he just had them in the car for whatever reason This is how often he showed people the pictures he took right like straight up like if he met you and you guys like that

Was like, you know, he was like hey, it's like how you doing today? He's just like you know, I wish it was Friday You want to see this picture of a naked six-year-old girl. I took yes, I love it Let's screw this small talk So Leonard Lake was arrested and placed into an interrogation room where he waited knowing It was only a matter of time before police would trace his trail back to the cabin where all of the bodies and Torture bunkers were so the multiple murderer asked for a piece of paper a pen and a glass of water and wrote a note to cricket that said Dear Lynn, I love you. I forgive you

Freedom is better than all else till Janet. I'm sorry mom patty and all I'm sorry for all the trouble love Leonard the trouble is a DUI like this is a little bit more than all the trouble The murder cabin I have in the woods. Sorry for the trouble So Leonard folded up the note placed it in his front shirt pocket and on June 2nd 1985 Finally made good on his promise and swallowed one of his secret cyanide capsules

He died in the hospital three days later a truly free man truly free man free as a ghost in hell How free is a ghost in hell? I actually don't think so because I think you're technically kept in a gilded bird cage surrounded by a hawk faced Hieronymus Bosch type demon who's puncturing you in the anus with a hot stapler Sounds like a good time So police who were absolutely baffled by the sudden turn of events searched Leonard's car further for clues Inside they found an electric bill addressed to Clarelyn cricket Bayless with an address in Wiley's bill so she immediately gives up Charles saying but what she also does is because she's this sort of slight little lady

She's kind of talks her way out of immediately going to the cabin with the police And so what she got to do was leave ahead of time clean up a bunch of shit Basically, what does she get to do in about a day's window is go up to the cabin clear out all? Evidence that she had any involvement with the actual murders of the rapes and then go back to the police and be like It's ready to first search now, and then they go up with her to the cabin, and they're like all right you little lady You know it's like good help and notice it your vagina is like hanging out of the bottom of your skirt Well, that's a so that's a Swiffer commercial I could get behind Well, what cricket said is that she went up there to remove just plain-o

legal erotic videos that featured her to avoid embarrassment Yeah, but actually what we're gonna do with crickets further involvement in this trial We're gonna save cricket for an entire bonus episode because she's a fun one Yeah, honestly, I was I was talking about this with my girlfriend about how I was like Leonard like had His sex slave like cricket and him were balling like crazy She did whatever he wanted they were ready to go they have video There was video footage of her because she was a school teacher and there's video footage of her saying like Like Leonard was kind of interviewing her and and she was like kind of like talking about what she finds sexy

And then she turns to the camera. She's like, you know, I've seen a lot of cute 14 or 15 year olds It should end up in some of our movies and she's like I think I could tell him It's like I have him in class and they're like laughing about it and shit I was like that's your number one no no no the total difference was that cricket was into it But she was into it. She was safe for it into it like she was like a normal human like a normal Healthy sex drive. Yeah. Yeah a cricket was totally into it in a normal way as far as we know as far as can be Conclusively proved but what Leonard Lake wanted was non consensual He wanted that he wanted to break a woman

Well, he just felt that women should be at his beck and call and that they should be on his dick whenever he wanted Them to be and then disappear Yeah, so cops with cricket and toe a day later began a search of the mysterious cabin in the woods cops found Even more cyanide capsules hidden throughout the house with most of them being found in door frames Which I guess just for him to just reach up if he was if cops storm the house And they had to bring him out or something like that if he happened to be without a handy cyanide capsule right on his body He could just reach up grab one and swallow it. I tell you I get nervous if I don't have weed in the house Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it's like when your grandmother had Werther's originals all around the house

So you could kind of nibble on those throughout the day She had him hid in the door frames and the bell of her house coat after I was coming over They knew exactly where to hide all the candy, but then I got you tall and I found all of it We've got to hide these Werther's been ate up to four bags yesterday And I and I'm starting to smell the the honey smell just coming out of his pores making a diabetes So what made police realize that this case was something more than just a kooky survivalist Freakin out at the first signs of arrest was the discovery of Video equipment that belong to Harvey dubs now the dubs family disappearance had been a pretty big deal in San Francisco

At the time and at the time the only lead police had was a witness who had said they saw a strange muscular Chinese man Shoulders and he was yelling about what he brings to a friendship to a large Avuncular looking man. He's only gonna describe really and he was carrying an arm war that was tied to his back with jumper cables Huh, would you say he was oddly muscular? Oh, yes So this guy though that was described in you know by the dubs witness match the description of The dead survivalist companion Leonard Lake's companion and in fact the two cops that went out that followed cricket out there

We're involved in the dubs case and one of them was quoted to say that like on his way out there He's like, you know, I actually have a feeling about this. I have a feeling that this is somehow Linked to dubs because there were so many like men because because when they found Leonard Lake It's like three missing people immediately tied to this guy And they'd been searching for the Harvey dubs kill killers or kidnappers for a long time So the cop just he kind of had a feeling going out there and they were already kind of looking out there for Clues of missing persons. Do you think it's a frame job? They they made the videos they planted the evidence they made him have to take the cyanide pill

Cut to Charles Barkley running through the forest away from him like they never knew who's me Why'd you do it Charles Charles? You know, it's every man needs a hobby and I got it. I ran out of Whitlandwood Yeah, there's I had a whole pile of Whitlandwood and I made as many fruits as I could make with my big old basketball hands And then I decided to make a 600 and then I got Scott away. Wait Scott free That's something breaking news So a survey of the property turned up multiple soft spots of soil from recently dug holes And the first thing that investigators found was a plastic drum containing the videotape labeled

M. Ladies Kathy Brinda assholes. Yeah, you call it California raisins Christmas special Kind of a disappointment that one. Yeah, and also included were of course several photo albums of nude women Lake's personal journal and Another videotape that was just labeled taboo Soon after the discovery of the drum a police dog having wandered off in search of clues Returned with a human bone in his mouth complete with rotting flesh and that's when investigators Noticed the ants

Coming out from under a half-heartedly buried piece of plywood were dozens of ants Carrying maggot eggs when police uncovered the hole They found a section of human spine with flesh still attached the spine belonged to the first M. Lady Kathleen Allen see when you said ants I thought you were gonna say there was three large women like Aunt Peggy and Martha and Ant tubular I thought the casserole was cold You know and you always complain about how long I keep it in the oven. Oh Officer Gumpkin you're looking so thin you need to eat. Don't try the casserole

It's cold this year and look what I found it's a human Spice good day to be a police dog though Yeah, can you had to try to get away that get that human spine away from that police dog? That's on for that is very sad though. It's sad super sad super sad. Yes, of course Eventually thousands of bone fragments would be gathered from the property most of them cremated and in addition to that Police also found a charred piece of liver that a medical examiner said with a reasonable amount of Certainty came from a child between three and seven years of age Both of the babies that we know for a fact were murdered by Leonard Lake and Charles, Ing

We're less than a year old which points towards Multiple child murders. Well, they obviously were doing as many horrible things as they could think of and it seems like a lot of It was to cover up crimes and a lot of it was probably if there were many more m-lady's besides Kathy and Brenda Like it was probably eliminating whole families and the idea that these kids are now nuisance And so now they're getting rid of all these they're getting rid of everybody Yeah, well, yeah, I mean you can't just make your house an orphanage because you murdered everybody's parents Can you imagine that if it was half day care? Yeah, Charles, Ing teaching them how to use nunchucks. You know, Mr. Ing. I have to go to the bathroom

Okay Now we're saying now many rules in a child in karate school. First of all, never use bathroom Okay, I just have to do what I do. Okay. No, this is resin. I'm not to punish you now I punish you later. What you have to do when you go to bathroom is see you take the literate finger your right hand You stick it inside the pee-pee hole right there. It's like I do it And then eventually the pee if you don't or if you don't get rid of it out of your body It comes up out of your eyes as tears of

happiness So while one investigator watched the m-lady's tape, which of course we all know what was on the m-lady's tape Another watched the one that was marked taboo, which at first viewing Appeared to just be a movie taped off a TV But as the investigator watched more closely He noticed just a split second flash in the middle now those of you out there who remember VHS tapes The tracking you always had to deal with the tracking first of all. I hope everyone who's taken their arthritis medication

That's right. You can never be too serious about your medication And if you were like me who obsessively taped every single thing they watched on television When you taped over something sometimes you would have a flash That would just be just a split second or if you didn't fully cover it If you were if you were fast-forwarding to like completely fill the whole tape You sometimes would miss a little chunk and when paused this flash revealed two bodies wrapped in Plastic and sleeping bags lying in a blue wheelbarrow the same wheelbarrow that was found in Lake's Shed and both bodies appeared to be in full rigor mortis when faced with this flash at

trial Ing said I tried to touch the body as minimally as Passable because you know, I mean it's like you know They look they've been dead for days and it's pretty stiff and it's not like what I saw in my Halloween shows They say kiss a child when you know when you got your great fear I know the scare it is And it dancing or funny wreck with the tapet on it's alright that would actually did Objection I don't know

So when the bodies were uncovered They were still wrapped in those sleeping bags both men were fully clothed except for their shoes Both had rubber ball gags in their mouth and both have been bound at their wrists and ankles and both had been shot in the head The bodies in question belonged to Lonnie Bond senior and Scott Stapley The man next door and his best friend if you're named Lonnie Bond senior you know how to play guitar, right? I think so you have to right? Yes, or you're a professional poker player. Oh, yeah, that is a great name Lonnie Bond junior Yeah, yeah, oh, it's a wonderful name. It's a jerky company name And by the way, thank you everyone for the jerky you've sent us yes

I mean our fans just know is so well we get more meat than any podcast that's ever existed absolutely love it I got I'm holding my hand Buffalo Bob's alligator and beef barbecue flavored jerky And I'm going to I'm was gonna eat it while we perform, but it's too chewy Thank you very much. Thank you Jeremy bites for your kind letters and your beef jerky. Okay. Let's get back to this Now it's in dispute just how many bodies the bone fragments add up to when all was said and done 25 pounds of cremated bone was recovered from the scene and the average human skeleton weighs 20 pounds so it's possible That the fragments themselves came from only two bodies now Charles Ings defense argued that

investigators couldn't even conclusively prove that the bones were human and tried to argue that the bones were possibly Roughly 10 cats Actual courtroom argument that the defense made Charles and Charles Ings said that it was cat bones And then if you disagree with him your racist or if you if you do agree with him your races every single thing the man Did is a vaguely racist right every every action every took Is completely that yeah big thick coke bottle glasses only he cooks all he cooks all day long and in according to him cat meat

Right, which is a racist thought about Chinese food perfect and rice and rice of rice of rice he talks about it We're gonna cover it. He talks about how much rice cooked. I oh bad driver couldn't drive a bull driver, right and none chucks none chucks Mm-hmm kung-fu quote-unquote expert and then just He's just sour Gales a lot yells a lot but really quick to anger the Green Hornet was a great show It was I loved it so it made sense that he liked Kato everyone very good acting

So whether the bones were human or cat we do know conclusively through Evidence that 16 people were murdered by Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, but it can be estimated that just on That property there could be as many as 25 people Hmm, that's a bit. It's a big bunch. It's a lot of people Yeah, and and there because they had so much space and they could do whatever they wanted out there And again, they were killing people for many different reasons And they were because then they felt like everybody was a threat Leonard Lake thought that everybody was a threat

And that's why he killed the the the friend that's where he's killed Scott Stapley But also he was killing people for reasons. He was taking their ID and he was the money from what's the time frame for 25 This is maybe two years. So they were just on a roll. This was they were they were in full berserker mode at that point Yeah, once they got that house set up once the whole cabin was set up and the m-lady's like a holding cell was set up They just went boom boom boom boom. It's like when people wait to buy a home to have a family. Hmm. Yeah Mm-hmm It's like starting a t-shirt company Space you got a yes, and you got a printing press right now. You can just really just go online

No need for brick and mortar anymore Zazzle. Oh, and don't forget about one of our sponsors jack prints Go to jack prints comm for all of your t-shirt needs that's where we get our t-shirts and They're a wonderful place to buy your t-shirts go to jack prints comm is there any way a human bone could be confused as a Can't bone Marcus. Oh god. No, no, I mean well, I mean it's it's very possible because the well I mean it's unlikely but possible man this cat Yeah, if we're talking about like a We're talking about like a wampus cat than maybe

For a giant walking seven-foot tall Tom cat like a like a weird orange like Garfield like bigfoot Sort of an animated type thing. No like a cryptid So as to how Charles Inge escaped arrest for the shoplift that he actually committed the $75 vice let's go back there when he saw that Leonard was being questioned in the store about the stolen vice Charles simply just walked away very shrewd customer. He just saw him like literally came out so I'm talking cops He's like Hey see escape, and it's like just like right like it crawled through a ventilation system. No, he's It's interesting to Leonard like gave up Charles inks so fast. Yeah, they are both

It's that interesting thing about like they are true scumbags They weren't even loyal to each other no as soon as one was in trouble the other ones like peace and just like left Yeah, and they also weren't really even mad at each other about it It was just kind of under so it's almost like they had talked to each other about it's like oh No, I'm gonna fuck you over like as soon as I can if I need to and you know, it's like okay Yeah, I'm gonna fuck you over too. It's let's lay all the cards on on the table here. That's almost that's the most Honestly refreshing Relationship I've heard

Just separate now that's the going gets rough the going just go away Yeah, just go away and what Charles Inge did called up Cricket Who gave him enough money to flee the country Charles ended up in Canada in Calgary Staying with his sister and he was apprehended days later on another shoplifting charge He tried to steal some food a loaf of bread. I think and for which a Security guard and a school teacher wrestled him to the ground. That must have caused him much shame much Yes much shame More shame Charles lost control of his bowels during the struggle

Oh, and once he was alone in his prison cell awaiting arraignment Charles tried to hang himself with his feces soaked shorts guards promptly took away all of his clothes So Charles was left in his cell Covered in shit. Mmm naked and totally alone. Are you bastards think that I shit me pants? I'm on exit here, but I tell you I do that purpose ultimate rest wrap of the corner ninja What he does is oh, yes, you may get me in super position. Oh, yes You may have me in boa constrictors, but guess what I do You've pooped on purpose you've pooped up poop now poop now then well

But why did you try to hang yourself in the cell then because I wanted it to be most feel free for when the EMT to Come cut me down because then I know even in death. I got my poo poo on you Everyone does kind of get poo poo on somebody when they die. I honestly think that that would have been Charles Inge's Actual right validation Shitting his pants. I'm happy that he didn't get the easy way out though I'm still a little bit pissed off that Leonard Lake got to live out the cyanide dream. Yeah Yeah, he really did cuz I don't think it was Charles Inge's dream to shit on a bunch of people He didn't carry dookie with him though wherever he went, you know soiled underwear wherever he went to hang himself

He wasn't building up to it for literally decades. We don't know that is No, we do not know that we will not put evidence on the same He literally could sit and force himself to shit all day like forcing yourself to throw up being like I don't know Why I can make myself throw up niche stick my two fingers and I hit my my tip of throw up spot We just got to be a poo poo spot up in here. Oh Oh, I just came in my pants. Oh, there's another kind of spot up in there. That is a special spot, huh? You might think that the multiple murder charges facing Inge back in America would supersede anything else

Canada Insisted that Inge serve his full sentence for the assault and shoplifting Before he was extradited to the United States That is a very Canadian idea because they really do because if they have such a fucking like Inferiority complex with America that they are very much been like no He yeah, yeah, he will serve the the Canadian law first because he broke a law here in Canada and here in Canada We punish our criminals lightly Very lightly. We do punish them sometimes

Right, yeah, let's maple syrup on the old pancakes. I'm not sure you got and you don't get to any Molson's until well You can have one Well, what Charles Inge did is that this was the beginning of him Gaming the system to draw out his trial and to draw out his road to the death penalty as long as possible Because when he came in to when he started getting tried for the stuff in Canada He requested a completely different trial than was actually normal he requested a bench trial Which usually ends with stiffer sentences and almost always ends with a guilty plea In order to stretch out his time in Canada as long as possible

He got the maximum sentence. Yes, cuz he started reading when he was in prison. He started reading legal men It's very smart in his way where he would he would read different like law textbooks and shit and learn about this stuff He really armed himself to come here and like and stretch this out for the longest possible But he doesn't really understand that eventually is like you are there with a jury of your peers in America They're gonna watch what you're doing and eventually be like oh this guy's getting fried as soon as humanly possible Right, right, right. Yeah, no more milking in the prostate buddy. Yeah, and there was also So something else to deal with legally is that Canada and America had a treaty that said that Canada if They were being if criminals were being extradited to a state that had the death penalty

Canada could choose whether they wanted to extradite them or not and it took four years for Charles Ang to serve his sentence for assault and shoplifting and For the two countries to negotiate the extradition treaty before he would be sent back to California and Charles Ang's trial in California would last six years Create over four tons of paper documents and would become the second most expensive trial in California history Second only to the McMartin preschool satanic panic molestation trials But ahead of the OJ Simpson murder trial. That's insane because you rarely see this trial mention Because it's quietly the most expensive one because it didn't really hit it wasn't very sensational

It was just the the weird ploys that Charles Ang would do which is just fire your attorney over and over and over again Yeah, and that just makes it so they have to keep mistriling you. It's unbelievable. Yeah, these Canadians. I don't like their legal system one bit This Charles Ang and what's that documentary dear Zachary? Yeah, there's a really shed in the light I'm like what the Canadians are doing up there. Yeah, dear Zachary, but I gotta say man that baby had it come Well, you never know what it was gonna become so Charles Ang had to say the least pretty loose lips about his crimes Particularly with people he met in prison. We saw this also with HH Holmes

When he got in a prison with that famous gunslinger That's when he started for the very first time to talk to anybody about to let anybody in about the crimes that he was committing I mean, it's sort of a it's an ego-boosting thing Well Charles Ang wanted to show that he was a real American badass much like Kid Rock. Yes He could do the things that he said he would talk about it's like the no kill no thrill no gun No fun is that he can be like no, you know I did kill people and I'm gonna tell you exactly how he did it. Mm-hmm. I don't just rhyme He follows through he follows through there were two men

Above all who heard the most the first being a man named Joseph LeBerge That in surf time with in Canada now They had little pet names for each other and this is what LeBerge called Ang and this is a name by the way that Ang Loved and thought that it was hilarious LeBerge's pet name for Ang was slant Well, I'm like to call LeBerge froggy uncle or Grasshopper Karate kid having been released the previous year in 1984. Oh, so they kind of had a little role-playing thing going on It is

Yeah, it's he's a it's a very interesting as again. It's like it's how he kind of made his way with people's that people would be Incredibly racist towards him, and then he would just kind of take it on. Mm-hmm. He only So he just only watched movies with an Asian person Not a lot to choose from for Charles no limited selection So somehow Charles got in the habit of drawing cartoons of his crimes and LeBerge Estimates the ink made him over 150 drawings over the four years that the two lived in neighboring cells most of the drawings depicted at the very least at their tamest rape

bestiality and or Brutal SNM one drawing depicted Leonard Lake holding a whip in his right hand in his crotch in the left while saying oh I love you Kathy. I really do to a woman bound hand and foot on a small table Which represented Kathleen Allen the pair's first M lady, but behind Lake and Kathy was a caricature of Charles in saying right he's ready dinnertime Right Charles. I love the paintings very much, but you don't have any ink or any markers in your cell What are you using to paint with the? I've been

most ignorant of you So many ways how a man kept in captivity can make his own art surprise. What I like to call mine is fart surprise Fart surprise or fart supplies. Oh, no, no, I'm not being racist. It's a fart. Surprise. Yeah, okay good No, it's why I am surprised. I am surprised. I actually thank you. It's boop. It's boop. Oh, okay We'll just want to clarify so that's that's just that's jail though So I deserve it now regarding this cartoon in actually said during the trial trial quote The background where I was standing with the bird of rice

That is a jerk because in a transcript rake was talking about how you will fuck for us work for us and cook for us We ain't in fact, you know, I got to say none of the M. Rades have ever once cooked for us or walks for us. I Was doing the cooking. Oh, I was the one actually doing most of the cooking when I'm after sure And then I was I was I put in like an essentially dissent to her or to her unrealistic Situation praised on this transcript That was the word they should use again and again to describe these cartoons who explain away these cartoons satire That's what I say, so like the original the onion Yeah, no, no, it's funny. It's a funny jockey type joke. Okay. Okay. Okay. You see Garfield, right?

Yes, Garfield can't can't eat was on your all day wrong. No, guess what you give cat was on your meal, right? I kill cat. Oh, I know and I very much kept because it's like as am I it's just like yes I forced to cook a e-cat and not because of my lineage Because it's what I had a variable out by the sex dungeon and I don't mean sex dungeon. I mean me and Ran nerds a parchment let you and who? I Just spare it out for you God damn I imagine I you know, I've never actually written his name down. Yeah, I imagine it's air

in Nn a air day Very good. Thank you so much. Sure. I go free now Yeah, you're free to leave Another cartoon showed ink picking his nose in a jail cell And in this drawing the wall of the cell behind ink had portraits of people that were labeled Carol

Cosner Parental dubs Gerald Alan and bonds respectively all names of murder victims for satire It's a little on the nose. It seems a little on point. Yeah Mm-hmm ink would brag to another one of his friends that he not Lake had done most of the killing And the fact that these portraits contain many but not all of their known victims Shows that there might be some truth to that now that is extremely circumstantial

But it is possible that Leonard was killing people without his knowledge And they were kind of like Leonard was kind of off doing crazy shit while Charles Ang was doing God knows what in the backyard Yeah, totally possible that Charles Ang actually did do most of the killing and Leonard Lake's main motivation was sex Leonard Lake was more of a like he was a killer who did it for what what's the name of it a Opportunity an opportunity killer that he was killing for IDs. He was killing for social security checks And of course wanted the sex part of it But Charles Ang was killing for the pleasure of killing. I also just to say he killed I actually think that Charles Ang didn't get the sexual pleasure out of it like most killers do

I think it's to show that he's a cruel Cruel big guy like is a hard guy. Yeah, and if you look at their past And especially their motivations for joining the Marines seems like Leonard Lake joined the Marines just for the purpose of Being in the Marines for having that sort of survivalist attitude tough guy attitude, but Leonard later But Charles Ang Specifically said that he joined the Marines to kill people and to get a gun. Yeah to get a gun and specifically To shoot people in the head these are murder

these are two of the worst types of human beings that exist and they are They're kind of the type that is ruining everything for everybody in America right now We're seeing these guys all over the people in cabins with sex dungeons and within cabins. Yeah, I'm talking about just the mentality part of it I'm talking about tell you look at the kind of you can kind of connect kind of what's happening with that militia in Oregon Kind of to how Charles Ang feels which is a bunch of guys that kind of played at a militia for a long time And then decided they wanted to make it real and like all of this shit where you could see these guys have this sort of a Male ideal of what they're supposed to be doing where Charles Ang thought that to be a hardcore Like badass you had to kill people that were essentially innocent and show no mercy anywhere

And it's I don't know we're we're the our systems coming to a psychopathic crash ending But as far as the cartoons by Charles Ang went the most disturbing one by far Showed Charles Ang demonstrating exactly what he meant by daddy died mama cried baby fried This one showed Charles Ang cooking a baby in a walk and Considering how the daddy died refrain was most popular with Charles during his dentist moving company days It is most likely that the baby in question was the son of Harvey Dubs And when these cartoons were presented to Charles Collectively during his trial he tried to explain them all the way saying quote, okay time and time again

Okay, how how to explain what I bring to a friendship Okay, it came about as a way to kill time as friends do when you bring to friendship and as a result of information That Rebears had supposedly read about me or heard about me it result in a jockey where activity between me and him He would drop part of the cartoon and he'd stride it off to me I'd giggle I'd giggle to myself even though I knew inappropriate and I would embarrass it and I'd send it back You know this was kind of a human thing between him and me It's what we brought you I found you. It was the curve of friendship and I don't really Understand why people kiss a man

I'll be a winner. I'll be a winner. I'll be a winner. I'll be a winner. I'll be a winner. Charles, Charles, it's Leonard. I'm up in heaven. I just want to say thanks for the friendship Here, brick my heart with happiness. Oh, sweet Leonard, oh I've got to go finish sucking off the Lord Meanwhile the whole court is just watching him talk to himself I can see him try to be like him literally trying to to get people to understand him Like trying to be like no, no, we joke around and then I'll be like You did it! You tell me how to joke around!

Do someone go to Bill Barramy and tell him how to joke around? Bill Bellamy Bill Bellamy reference This was 1992-93 so you know Nobody tells Chris Hardwick how to be funny on that single out show how I like Jenny McCarty Yeah, she is very attractive I don't think that the the photos though the drawings don't seem to be that incriminating to me If I was in the jury, I mean they are just pieces of art I suppose

And don't you embellish things for the worst when you're in prison because it's such a bizarro world where bad is good You are on trial for the wrongful imprisonment, rape, murder of families, entire families including men, women and children Probably not your best idea to defend yourself in court is to draw funny cartoons To draw Gary Larson type cartoons about the crimes that you are accused of doing It's pretty incriminating Yeah, well, but on the other hand, you're right Ben, as far as the American legal system is concerned It is not evidence That is that the evidence against Charles Ng was surprisingly circumstantial

The actual hard evidence was surprisingly circumstantial as far as the actual murders go As far as the crimes, the capital crimes, the ones that would get him the death penalty Surprisingly circumstantial, but as Henry said, taking the stand in your own defense is in any court situation Any situation is the dumbest thing you can do Never do it We're just not lawyers Never ever ever do it, they can trip you up Even if you're totally and completely innocent, lawyers can still trip you up and they can still make you look guilty

But in Charles Ng's case, they can trip you up and actually prove that those cartoons, yes, those are reality Another one of the cartoons, by the way, mentioned Ng's quote unquote asshole death grip And when asked about this, Ng said, quote Rebears kind of pulled my rig and I end up making a writing as kind of a satire to show that this is how rudicrous this kind of saying is It's just jocular, nobody's raffling, why is nobody raffling, I make a joke and you just don't, I'm like Andy Curfman Right The joke is the fact that I tell joke, see, you get it Who did you study under? Did you study improv?

Del Kroos Del Kloos, the master of improv? Yes Second city I go So this was just sort of a yes and gone terribly wrong You have no idea how fast an improv scene can turn into murder of family I see So the other guy, the other prisoner to get an earful from Charles Ng was Ed Popovich

Who had befriended him during their time together at Leavenworth while Charles served time over the failed Hawaiian weapons I gotta say this, in real life Charles Ng, honestly, must have been very funny I think that he, even if it wasn't on purpose, I think that he was sitting there and he was such a ludicrous, horrible dude That you just could sit and listen to him rant about whatever he was ranting about for hours and he would just laugh, I guess No, I mean he's the terrible fucker He's the dirtbag, all of us have a dirtbag friend who is unapologetically a dirtbag But he's such a dirtbag that you can't help but laugh But on the other hand Charles Ng was doing this with other prisoners and other murders

Because what we didn't really say in the last episode was that Kathleen Allen's boyfriend was actually admittedly a guy who was sexually turned on by murder That's why him and Charles Ng were friends Was because they started talking and Charles Ng just sort of got to the point where he was like, hey, you know what really turns me on? I've actually got this friend, Leonard Lake, that does this kind of weird stuff It's kind of been doing this thing and this other guy was like, oh yeah, me too So the guys that Charles Ng was making friends with, they're monsters They're monsters, Charles Ng was the funny guy in the psychopath friendship circle Right, yeah, it's like being the tallest guy in a horse race, I guess

What? Jockies are small, jockies are small, the tallest jockey is still short But I feel like it's bad to be the tallest jockey No, I know, okay, the shortest jockey in a horse race, I guess that's good He's like a Living Jerry Lewis character I think it's the funniest jockey of the jockey The tallest jockey? No, the funniest jockey because jockeys are, I think, I don't know if they're also good people

I'm not really sure I'm not putting any judges on jockeys Jockeys are great people, great people So Popovich, this guy that Charles Ng was in Leavenworth with, claimed that after the two were released from prison Ng would call him at least once a week, sometimes two or three times a week And he would brag about the quote-unquote brotherhood that Leonard Lake and Charles Ng shared And he was like, hey, you remember Leonard Lake, the guy that would constantly send me pictures of his wife The weird naked nude SNM bondage pictures? Well, me and him are hanging out now, I'm living with him now

You, sir, are the missing piece of the puzzle You should come live with us, you should come help us with this whole M-Lady thing That we're working on right now And you would be the missing piece of the puzzle But admittedly, to Ed Popovich's credit, he never took up Charles Ng on his offer That's nice Yeah And what an enticing offer it was

I mean, I don't know, what the hell is happening? Can you imagine that? Can you imagine if just like, who's your biggest, fattest, grossest friend from back home? Pick a name, pick a name I got a name in my head That man calls you up and says, hey, I got another bigger, grosser guy that I hang out with And all we do is run and train on poor, innocent women You gotta come out here and hang out with us

Hey, I'm not entirely sold Do they have a little, do they have a little scissors? But it is through Popovich that we know just a little bit more about Charles' colorful way with words His term for rich people, fat cats Not all that original, we've all heard that before But his name for black people, Boofers, was at least a little inventive And not necessarily evocative, if someone says Boofers, I'm not immediately gonna be like, oh, black people I think of it, I think it's like, that's what I call the hair of, the tuft of hair above a butt crack

Yeah, my Boofers really, I gotta shave that Boofer My Boofer is getting coarse, it must be Halloween Popovich also said that Aang referred to babies as suckers Yeah And to further bolster the claim that Aang burned a baby alive Popovich claimed that Aang had told him around the time that the Dubs family went missing That he had, quote, roasted a sucker Oh, it's just, Jesus, what a maniac

Horrible maniac And he's just, yeah, and he's just, he's just rattling things off to him And he like spared no details when he was talking to Popovich about these murders And by the way, Popovich was the guy that he told that he had committed most of the murders He said that he cut one victim up into pieces after killing her He said he beat another one to death with a steel rod He said another one, he removed her nipples with pliers while she was still alive This is why I never ask anybody how was their day

Because you know what? I don't want to know People stay surface all the time It all takes us one guy to not and tell you how he murdered a bunch of people They're implicated Now that's your crime I have to go to the police now, they somehow, why am I talking to this guy in the first place? Just never say how are you to anyone that it's ever been

Stick to the Packers or whatever regional team is in your area and the weather Call me Pick up a cup of coffee It certainly is cold in the Packers, they are not looking great Coffee, huh? That's what you're drinking That's what I'm drinking too Alright, I'll see ya Cool

When the sun's out it's warmer Oh, that's what I've noticed and when it's nighttime, that's when a lot of the times I go to sleep I'll just take a little bit deeper with you, I just No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I gotta go, I gotta go No, I'm sorry, I gotta go So the defense, during Charles Ng's trial Using all of these statements that Charles Ng had made to Popovich The statements he'd made to LaBerge

All of the cartoons that he'd drawn And that's not to mention his presence on the M-Lady tapes That's what really nails him, is that he is on those tapes They see him there, he's hanging out, he's talking to the M-Ladies He is obviously a part of these crimes Yeah, and he had, and they used the cartoon in conjunction with something that he said on the tape They said, now what did you mean when you said your baby is better off dead than with you? Wait, there's many, Jack you were right, Tuck

You get in, heat of the moment, you can't, you go in the middle of any improv scene Again, Dale Crow said Faro De Fier Right You get in the middle of any improv scene, who knows? Yes, in the beginning of the scene, I may be working with the chevre Digging a new poo for my family, that's the situation Next thing I know, I'm in rocket ship Right

Improv And you were digging a grave, huh? So Charles Ng's entire defense was based around Leonard Lake Committing every single one of the murders with Ng being a somewhat innocent bystander Yes, he did participate in the forcible kidnapping and imprisonment of these women Yes, one of them did forcibly give him a massage in one of them, but he never killed anyone This is what he said during the trial about his involvement in the murder of the entire Bond family Which pretty much sums up Charles Ng's entire defense

You know, I actually feel pretty regret about this It was when I was young and adventurous and surrendered my independent judgment that I always going to regret So Charles Ng, after six years, was finally sentenced to death and currently sits on death row at San Quentin State Prison And I feel so bad for the people that are sitting on death row with him Yeah, that's the thing, I'm really surprised there's no sort of death row interview from him or something like that I bet if we dig we can find it Yeah Because he loved to talk

I really don't think there is, I think Charles Ng, because we talked about this, up top what we talked about is that this is one of those crimes that is so ridiculously brutal and so amazingly unconscionable Like you really with Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, you can't even imagine what it takes, what you have to turn off in your brain or what has to be turned off for you to commit these sorts of crimes To kill an entire family twice and to burn a baby alive in the process of one of them and to joke about it They're monsters, they're actual monsters All the rest of them, you can kind of see, you can say with Ted Bundy, Ted Bundy's charming I mean Ted Bundy was also a monster, Ted Bundy was a very dangerous human being As far as why they have A&E specials about them, as far as why people know about these guys, Ted Bundy was charming He was interesting, he was a college Republican and all that shit, John Wayne Gacy had a fucking clown costume on

And he was like that, they have like an it factor, Jeffrey Dahmer was a fucking cannibal and he became the poster child for American serial killers And they're also sort of like Henry Lee Lucas where they show a side of America that a lot of Americans like to pretend does not exist They like to pretend that this dirt bag side of America is just something that only exists in movies It's the other America that America doesn't want to think about To be fair, it's rare, I'm gonna say this is rare I hope so Well, I mean going this far is rare, as far as dirt bag Americans go, not rare I mean just because you drink a lot of soda before bad doesn't mean that you should be judged like the person who had the murder cabin

But wow, what a four-parter Leonard Lake and Charles Ng God bless you Thanks for listening, and again we don't make fun of the victims, we just make fun of these idiots And they're not monsters, they're morons And just be prepared whenever you do go around and you meet random people Sniff around a little bit and investigate a little bit further than just how the weather is and see if they're serial killers Don't trust anybody

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And Hail Geen Hail me, please I think Charles Eng should take us out You know, I'm going to miss talking to everybody, but you know what I write most about Death Rare? You know what's that? The food! You know what? Cause I don't have to cook no more And they understand that it's not always cherry, he's got to do the cooking

Always doing the writing Charles, it's me No, I read her You sold me out, you dickhead You told me to! You said it's most honorable amongst brothers I'll be waiting for you in hell You fucker! You're a fucker! I cook, I wash for you! I want to bring your friendship!