Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 208: David Bowie and the Occult

Episode Date: January 18, 2016

It's a tribute to the greatest magician of the 20th century on this week's Last Podcast as we cover Bowie's occult obsessions during the 1970s and how those pepper-milk cocaine fueled days tie in with... Bowie's very last album, Blackstar.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, thanks for tuning in to the show. If you want to support us, go to patreon.com slash lies podcast on the left There's no place to escape to this is the last That's when the cannibalism started Legally, I'm not a blade as are many things that I do I've been told again and again that I'm legally not obliged All right. Well, welcome to the last podcast on the left everyone. I am Ben kissle. I'm looking at the beautiful Marcus parks But to my left it's an empty space. Where did it go? He's in Atlanta Well, yeah, I'm down here in Atlanta, and you'll know you we made our best barbecue. You ever hear that you'll lie What accent is that?
Starting point is 00:00:52 That's brilliant, how's Atlanta going Henry it is seasonable People I had oh my god So the other day to one of my favorite restaurants in Atlanta's this place called Holman Inventions My favorite place because they do that snout to tail kind of cooking where it's like the chef will come to your table And he's like we're hoping to have four second pigs here today And we have two of their kidneys left and we'd like to split them and devil them and then you just sit at the table going like God you just you eat like Ray Liotta from Hannibal I'm looking to die at the table. They had this thing called
Starting point is 00:01:34 Oh, it's a pate melt and it was a burger made out of just nothing but solidified pate and Meat mixed in with it and like a little like burger and all go to bid into it It was just like my dick God who art we've talked about torture chambers and 9-eleven And that's definitely the most horrifying imagery I've had yet. I've experienced yet on this show But I'm so sad about David Bowie passing. That's right. That's good God All right, so that's what we're gonna talk about today David Bowie Marcus is taking his unbelievable knowledge of music and the Macabre and Magic and it's all combined into a great David Bowie episode exactly. This is our David Bowie tribute of course it should come as no surprise to any of you that I'm a gigantic David Bowie fan
Starting point is 00:02:19 Henry's also a big David Bowie fan Ben. You're I like him Oh, I think that's what that's the tell of a true David Bowie fan That's it if you say be like what do you think of David Bowie and he goes I like him. I like him and I but you know I'm jealous. He was so skinny you get the feeling he could have all the food he wanted and he wouldn't gain a pound Yes, but you know what Ben you'll actually relate to remember how you lost all that weight working out and healthy diet cocaine and Gin and soda. Yes, that's right But yes, David Bowie meant a lot to me as well it meant a lot to my group in college It was just was just one of those things where we would have sing-alongs to hunky-dory all that shit
Starting point is 00:02:57 He you know, they gives you gives you an allowance to be weird. I heard him in a young age It was great. It's like it was what it was a theater kid thing So everybody was like I can be queer all I want to be but it's still at the same time I kind of just want to kiss Becky and everyone's like you're lame. You're so square Because I don't want to suck a dick and I understand that but David Bowie also besides being a rock legend was an occult Just it's symbol. He's a figure himself and he lived the life completely. Yeah, he absolutely did and before we begin I'd like to first and foremost acknowledge and Highly recommend season of the witch by Peter Bebergall
Starting point is 00:03:36 It's one of the most well-written accessible and entertaining books on the occult that I have ever read and I'd recommend it to both magic and Music fans. It's all about how the occult Saved rock and roll that without the occult rock and roll would have been nothing but a flaccid flash in the pan So without the occult we wouldn't have such great bands as wasp We wouldn't have wasp. We wouldn't have poison not a single bit of rat Other sources for this episode are the article The Fault Earth by Peter Doggett and a Ridiculously comprehensive piece written back in 1996 by an OTO member named Peter Arcanig He had a lot of additional material on the occult matters
Starting point is 00:04:25 Specifically. What's OTO again? The Ordro Templo Orientis. Henry. Is that correct? I guess so. I'm not a Latin person. I don't mean Latin as in Spanish I mean Latin as a nerd in high school that's learning Latin because he wants to be difficult So our words and all tribute to David Bowie and by the way, this is a warts and all Tribute this is not going to be something where we only talk about the good aspects of David Bowie This really is like he was a very complicated And at times horribly annoying human being to the people around him. So you mean a traditional magician Sounds about right. Yes. That's that is how it always goes
Starting point is 00:05:06 I also think the combination of occult and rock music and any sort of musicianship is is a natural marriage because the you are projecting a personality out onto a group of people It's sort of the Grant Morrison idea of chaos magic and I think it's an interesting idea Like if in terms of when we do our chaos magic episode, this is an example of somebody who truly live the lifestyle That it takes to be an actual chaos magician and have results Which again would you're saying means that you're complicated and annoying But Grant Morrison sort of believes that artists and writers are the last of the true magicians because you're creating something out of nothing and David Bowie
Starting point is 00:05:43 Created personas that he then completely inhabited and created that we all we all believed in Ziggy Stardust We believe that the distances this entity he come he wouldn't allow it to not not be true So that is the literally the the nut of Magical belief. Well, you know, that's why that's why I like Lemmy, you know He was just dumb enough to always be himself He wasn't trying to fool me all the time. Has anybody tried to order a lemmy at a bar No, it doesn't work yet You know Jack Daniels is really trying to get the jack-and-coke to be renamed the lemmy
Starting point is 00:06:18 Oh trying to do it and I asked for one and I was looked at like I was an asshole because I was in that moment Yeah, I agree with whoever called you that Yeah, but David Bowie I can I can say that he was among if not the most successful magician of The 20th century if not our entire lifetime. This is what Peter Bebergall said in an interview about him He said Bowie's music and performance were a magical practice Maybe even more potent than if he sat by himself in his room and tried to conjure a demon And this is the point that he's making here compare Bowie to say like Crowley like Crowley
Starting point is 00:06:58 Arguably his only point in everything and all of his magical practices was sex and power Which in of course power was tied completely into sex But Bowie used magic as a force of creation not just in music But also as Henry said in the magical avatars that he created specifically from 1972 to 1976 but Alistair Crowley also believed that are you gonna do that now? Are you gonna do the Crowley thing Crowley is how you pronounce it a Leicester Crowley. Yeah Who yelled at you which which at what asshole yelled at you that you listen to listening to too many podcasts about it They always say Crowley. It's like when I was listening to hardcore history
Starting point is 00:07:41 He kept saying Genghis Khan, and I'm just like, you know, I know. Yeah, I know what's proper. Yeah I'm going with the Aussie pronunciation Crowley or Crowley. Oh, that's tough to say. It's actually it is true It is pronounced Crowley. You're supposed to say Crowley, but come on mr. Crowley. It doesn't just feel right Yeah, Crowley sounds like a short stout man who opens the door. He is thank you, mr. Crowley I opened the door he meant it in magical terms He meant forces cock inside of a young boy who thought he was just there for an internship. Ah, I see But what he the power aspect of it was kind of like mana and magic cards If we want to get totally virginal about it that he was you build up the power using sex
Starting point is 00:08:24 And then you're supposed to do something with it Crowley never actually used the power for anything He just liked the sex and eaten calm and eat menstrual blood all the time. Right, right hungry guy. Yes, Bowie is is an active magician and With the way he harnessed audiences was kind of like how like a Batman villain did it over the Batman villain Or was it Morgan for your child Morgan Freeman in the Um hit the Batman begins when he harnesses all the cell phones to find the Joker is it or is it dark night? No, that's dark night. That's the second one 16 hour days in a row. My brain is trash For Batman lore. I'm sorry
Starting point is 00:09:02 yelling at the fucking radio right now He used people in the audience too because they then believed in him and Ziggy starred us and stuff like that is just an example It made it even more true. It's again the idea of of Perception meets reality the perception meets ritual equals reality. Yeah, David Bowie is possibly the best example of Perception meets ritual equals reality, but I mean so if the crowd would have rejected the idea He would have just gone backstage and it wouldn't have never had it would have never done it again, right? Oh, no, no, could you just be some asshole on a costume show right like?
Starting point is 00:09:35 Spiders and He's sucked right still had to be a very good musician. Yeah, that's that's what we must Stress again and again is that he's also one of the best musicians of the 20th century Right, and one of the more talented dancers apparently I read one story where all the sound went out in a concert And he just did mime for 90 minutes and the crowd went crazy Apparently the greatest mime can you imagine how much cocaine you must be on to do a pantomime performance for 20,000 people. I just can't imagine. I just can't stop thinking of Charles Manson as well coming on stage with him and just helping him do it I can I know you're acting like you're in a box, but I can see the box
Starting point is 00:10:22 David Bowie rising from his mirror. I'll just mime my way out of this It really is it's it's almost it's a superpower in a way It really is the way that he was able to control a crowd because he also Believed in it completely like even up till you know very recently up till the the 30th anniversary of Ziggy Stardust that he was supposed to do Something for in 2002 He still to that day talked about Ziggy Stardust as a completely different person Like it wasn't just like oh when I was doing that Ziggy Stardust character He was like no Ziggy Stardust would be very surprised to find out that I turned out to be a rational human being that actually survived this long
Starting point is 00:11:06 cocaine Again, it's just amazing what it does Well, yeah, again, this is the warning You can't just put silver nail polish on and have like a pants with like a tail built and no one and run around and think you're gonna Change the universe. You have to also learn to play guitar right right right right and mime Yeah, and Bowie you what you also have to do is you also have to be A nerd because Bowie was also a huge nerd He was an interpreter of sorts
Starting point is 00:11:34 See he was a voracious consumer of books art theater and movies And he was able to use all of these things that he consumed to create both the music that we know and love and The various characters that he inhabited throughout the 70s and really with Bowie It just so happened that in the early to mid 70s a lot of what he consumed was The occult and now it is widely accepted by most people that Bowie's first album is Not very good And of course had this been his only album almost none of us would know his name and even space already which is still Pretty good if that would have all if that would have been all he released
Starting point is 00:12:17 He would be pretty much be known as a one-hit wonder. This is the most record store Marcus You're gonna get Marcus worked at a record store. I did wear it In fact, I am right now wearing my Ralph's records t-shirt, which is the record store that I worked at in college Have you checked out Space Flattery? Yeah, this is total mark record store me But after Space Odyssey, it's on his third album 1970s the man who sold the world the Bowie Truly starts to become one of the greatest artists to ever live and it's also Maybe not so coincidentally where the occult references start to show up now his first interest in the occult starts off
Starting point is 00:13:08 Pretty soft. It's pretty much just on the very last track of the album Some people argue that the first track of the album has some occult references, but it's a bit of a stretch But the superman he sings when all the world was very young and mountain magic heavy-hung the superman would walk and file Guardians of a Loveless Eye, and again, I'm just here to buy the new Adele There's a great song called hello. Yeah, I know hello's great But if you listen, it's a pretty good breakup album But I don't know if you've checked out this albums by Robert Palmer and says hey, it's hey girl Don't you leave? Oh, why are you leaving? Hey leave? Hey, would you come back please bring me some eggs?
Starting point is 00:13:45 That's actually that's the kind of thing about them. I think you should be listening to it Oh, it's just like anybody's into so why don't you should you also be into it? I mean they just buy it to the corporate fucking master. I worked at a record store I took everybody to exactly what they asked for without trying to steer them from somewhere else because I cared that Ralph's Records was a thriving local business. That's very nice of you. So those So those lyrics that we were just that I just read they hint that it's around 1970 that Bowie probably read a book called the morning of the Magicians now the morning of the Magicians is a must-read book for anybody who wants to be a student of
Starting point is 00:14:26 Magic it is outdated. It is Very silly but the core ideas of it are very interesting and it's more about seeing the train of thought and And the morning of the Magicians are really good like seed of like the really the beginnings of modern chaos magic and how you can Create your own reality by changing her perception Is it outdated in the sense that it uses us a lot of racial slurs or is it outdated in the sense that it talks about Nixon? No, no, it's out to it's outdated in the fact that it's like, you know The end of all of these books are always being like and if we just make a drum circle big enough
Starting point is 00:14:58 We can end all the wars. Yeah, I mean like that's yeah, so it's like, you know that it's just you can't yeah We're not we're not doing it. Yeah, and it also it talks about the ancient aliens thing And it also it actually predates Eric von Daniken's cherry to the gods by about seven years or so Ancient aliens still has yet to be disproved until I still believe the burden I think a proof is on the scientists on the aliens That's where the burden of proof is is on the aliens. I say until we hear their side of the story I'm not gonna say what's truth and what is non-truths absolutely not So morning the magicians the actual book also contain quite a bit of information about
Starting point is 00:15:42 of course Nazis and the occult the virile society and The Thule society and this would be a point in time that Bowie's fascination with Nazis could be called Almost innocent. It's like Nazi occult life. It would definitely become much more pronounced and much darker Later on just a few years later But at any rate Bowie would double down on his newfound interest in the occult with 1971's universally loved Hunky Dory like Hunky Dory is It's the college album like that's that's the Bowie album that you listen to and you know
Starting point is 00:16:21 Like when you're about 19 or 20 blows your mind, but it's also one of those albums that stays with you through the rest of your life Like sounds like the album you listen to when you go to a Sadie Hawkins dance. It's a very it's a very western midwestern Kind of country name, isn't it? You've never been around a group of people. No, I have not I've not allowed around them I pummeled a child when I was seven and they haven't let me be around groups of larger than two So the occult references and by the way, hunky Dory starts off with the song changes So it could pop. I mean, I don't necessarily think that he was talking
Starting point is 00:17:03 I fucking love it. I fucking love this album I feel like when we mention these things you should stop the podcast and listen to one of these songs So you could get back into the fucking mindset Actually, if you want I made a playlist on Spotify that's called Bowie's occult songs Yeah, yeah Parkette, hell yeah, ancillary fucking content But I actually I made that for my own Purposes at first because you know, I had to listen to these songs over and over and over again
Starting point is 00:17:32 I spent about 12 hours listening to nothing but Bowie albums yesterday Well, you and your girlfriend were making death masks of each other No, well, we did listen to low while I had my death mask made until we got to Uh side b when it really starts to get ethereal and weird and death like that's when I freaked out And had to get her to put on a talking heads record. What's the death mask a death? It's a whole long story. We'll get it. Okay. We'll do a whole episode on it. It's a whole thing You know, a lot of couples go strawberry picking And then you did it you made a death mask with your girlfriend. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:18:07 It was her christmas gift to me. Oh, isn't that nice? Yeah. Yeah. She really wants you around planning your death. Yeah, exactly Nothing nefarious there So the occult references in hunky dory start with the second song. Oh, you pretty things But they're still pretty goofy and innocent If you'll remember from our hollow earth episode We talked about a quote-unquote novel called the coming race Now in case you don't remember the cunning the coming race follows a narrator who encounters the real yaw A race of humans who fled the great flood of noah lost their way ended up taking refuge in caverns and decided to set up shop
Starting point is 00:18:47 In the hollow earth the real yaw were masters of the drill Which was said to be the source of power that pervaded the entire universe and enabled them to influence the minds and bodies of others gave them the ability to Manipulate weather and also fly a lot of people say that george lucas Ripped off the concept of the force from the coming race Absolutely a lot of people ripped off a lot of things from the drill also the coming race I also remembered everybody that the coming race was essentially like the silmarillion of the nazi party Where it was the the organic quote-unquote Lore magical lore of the nazi party. So just also remember that
Starting point is 00:19:25 Yeah, I can't stop thinking of a group of people that just are constantly ejaculating When you say the coming race just people walking down the street He's one of the coming race I'm sorry. We're not hiring coming race people right now. It turns out not good for the coffee shop General zandor. I've been trying to fight in the war, but I just I want to get in the tank and I want to roll over that village, but every single time We want to give you your rights. We want to have you on the front line, but you just can't stop coming So about the drill this coming race. This is what the narrator had to say about them
Starting point is 00:20:03 I praise that ages may yet elapse before they emerge into sunlight our inevitable destroyers I have sorted my duty to my fellow men to place on record these four warnings of The coming race and translated to bowie lyrics that would be From oh, you pretty things. They're the start of a coming race. The earth is a bitch We finished our news almost sapience about grown their use all the strangers came today And it looks as though they're here to stay and of course don't forget about got away make way for the homo superior So in other words bowie Was a hollow earth nerd
Starting point is 00:20:44 I'm here for the miming Can you imagine if somebody watched the mime show and didn't realize that was uh, you know not supposed to happen And went to see him live because like this is totally different Hey, hey, this rock music is very loud. I prefer the silence of mime Please sir Think of the minds Think of the minds So I don't know if to you guys if that makes the song better or worse in your eyes
Starting point is 00:21:15 But you know, that's a song that I've been listening to for 15 years of my life And I just found out about the hollow earth thing maybe a year ago and to me that made the song so much better It really opened up david bow. It made me see david bowie in a completely different light When I had known him as before because before david bowie was ziggi sardis david bowie He was a music theater guy his first album started sort of a soundtrack to a theater show a live show that he did And so I always knew he was a nerd and I also believe that yes, he has his interpretation His content came from like the hollow earth from the coming race book But at the same time
Starting point is 00:21:55 Like what's the best part about art is what you're supposed to take it and you're supposed to put your meaning on it It's supposed to be about your experience to it It's like oh you pretty things was like a song that my group of friends would sing in unison on mushrooms Like this song to me was always about like how the world would be a lot better if everybody took mushrooms, man But also because I was fucking 19, right? I still believe that I agree with you I always think of that song. I say all these pretty things beautiful voice I have and I always have that going through my head when I look at puppies in the store And I love it and I want to hold them
Starting point is 00:22:30 so the other song on hunky dory concerning the occult quicksand is Is much more explicit as to what it's about if you know absolutely anything about the occult whatsoever quicksand immediately comes off as Full of a cult of occult references the song begins. I'm closer to the golden dawn immersed in Crowley's uniform of imagery I'm living in a silent film portraying Himmler's sacred realm of dream reality And if you listen to the entire song I think what it's really about is something that me Henry and All of you struggle with that is that magic is hard as fuck
Starting point is 00:23:11 It's also very isolating. Yeah, and the more you talk about it the more you sound like a fucking crazy person Yeah, he continues in the song I'm sinking in the quicksand of my thought and I ain't got the power anymore and the chorus goes Don't believe in yourself. Don't deceive with belief knowledge comes with death death's release and to me just rock and roll It's just super rock and roll. Yeah, and to me. It sounds like that. He's given up He's just resigning himself to the thought that the answers he's looking for won't ever come until he's dead again Magic is very very hard and can you also imagine being his producer and at one point just being like Hey, David, love this song. Love this song. First of all, you creeped me out. I wish you dropped the robe in the wand
Starting point is 00:23:55 But again, it's your it's your life. This is your life number two Maybe the Himmler thing we can take it down From like a 12 to like a two maybe a zero. Maybe we could maybe do a zero on the Himmler No, no, no No David you are an artist. I love your energy. No, I'm just saying the UK where we're at right now Not even 15 years ago. No was like leveled By the Nazis. Absolutely not. No
Starting point is 00:24:28 essential That's still that's the music industry There it is just spiking a rail It was great that every single time you hit that really hit that wall with an artist just go like everybody shakes their head and just like they all just Snort And then not coincidentally this is about the time that the cocaine comes in Full effect with David Bowie. Not that it never not was there It was there in the beginning as well. Right. It was definitely taken to pilot seat
Starting point is 00:25:04 After that, well, this is the good stuff. This is the 70s, right? Yeah, best cocaine around. Yeah, this is David Bowie Can you imagine being David Bowie's fucking weed deal like weed or coke dealer? He actually did not like weed. He said the the first time he hated weed. He said the very first time he smoked weed Uh, I think it was like with the basis of deep purple or something like that and the coolest way to smoke weed Yeah, yeah, and he said that he just like uh, he said someone rang the doorbell and Bowie went downstairs To see who it was and then got distracted by the cracks on the sidewalk and just followed those for a few miles And then realized he wasn't hanging out with the basis for deep purple anymore. Not a weed guy Not a weed guy
Starting point is 00:25:48 Nope following the cracks His coke dealer just shown up dressed in a lightning bolt costume and roller skates Just shows up being like I just you know, you know what's funny, man Is that I didn't even think you wanted cocaine. I woke up this morning and I smelled you needing it. Yeah Roller skate coke dealer Well, what Bowie's talking about in quicksand, uh, is that of course like magic is very difficult And he's having a very very hard time grasping it, uh, and so He kind of starts taking shortcuts and as we're gonna see shortcuts in magic are a
Starting point is 00:26:24 Very bad idea So after hunky dory came what many people including myself consider to be one of the best rock and roll albums ever recorded The rise and fall of ziggy stardust and the spiders from mars and this album came with bowie's first character creation the titular ziggy stardust Ziggy was a bit of a departure from the occult into the space alien sci-fi realm Uh, and during a meeting between bowie and william s burrows in 1973 Bowie who completely inhabited the ziggy stardust character So that ziggy came from a race of alien super beings called the infinites
Starting point is 00:27:06 Who lived in black holes that used ziggy as a vessel to give themselves a form that people could comprehend David, uh, I just can't I know you're talking about ziggy like he's a real guy But I just can't help but think it's a thing. You're making up. I don't think I you know I I don't mean to cast doubt, but I think maybe you're making them up Actually, william burrows came right back at him. He counters like you know what actually I want to open up an institute That will prepare people for the coming, uh A race of alien super beings because we're not ready to interact with them yet, but I am totally on board You know how that that conversation started? Oh, wait a second
Starting point is 00:27:53 No, you know what you're right at the same time I think we need to make a cooking class for these aliens so they can learn how to make human food So they can get jobs as short order cooks Anytime they like So Maybe not so coincidentally Ziggy start us also loved cocaine So coincidence is one of those that's a coincident
Starting point is 00:28:18 It's just one of those things and it's just like is it a happy? Is it a happy coincidence or is it like a meant-to-be type thing? Is it fate? Yeah basketball players like jumping And ziggy likes cocaine It's around this time that bowie's Legendary cocaine intake really started to ramp up and with the cocaine came the paranoia Here's what fellow magic user Alistair Crowley had to say about cocaine Give cocaine to a man already wise and if he be really master of himself It will do him no harm
Starting point is 00:28:53 Alas the power of the drug diminishes with fearful pace the doses wax the pleasures wane Side issues invisible at first arrives They are like devils with flaming pitchforks in their hands That means eating nothing but peppers of milk for you. Absolutely God he definitely sold it. That sounds great Now it's my opinion that bowie was attempting to use the cocaine to shortcut his way Into transcendence or at least to try to gain the knowledge that he had been trying to reach for the few years previous And we'll get into later exactly where he got that idea
Starting point is 00:29:32 I think that it's it's like he is sort of looking for a shortcut I also think it's about the confidence that cocaine gives you where it's like it's not even just looking for a shortcut It's that the cocaine makes you believe you have found the shortcut. Yeah, I don't have holes in my jeans My skin is just fighting through Absolutely Yeah, and then it's also like he already had millions of dollars at this point There are many people that were just kind of doing shit for him. So it's almost like magic was working But he really just had a team of assistants
Starting point is 00:30:01 Arriving with the plates of peppers and the pictures of milk that he was eating And at some point he's just like I just think it and it comes around Because he doesn't realize that after breakfast every morning after is he's had his fucking cup of fucking columbian coffee He's like he just thinks about peppers and milk and he thinks it shows up But really he's been yelling about it for 45 minutes. Right. That's very true. So we took a shortcut with cocaine It's similar to uh an athlete using the juice using steroid something like that. Yeah, I think it's somewhat like that Yeah, I mean he definitely he took a different path because most people especially in the 70s Their shortcut was lsd
Starting point is 00:30:40 Uh or mushrooms or weed or anything like that and bowie went on record. He's like I don't he said he never liked hallucinogens. He didn't like lsa. He didn't like weed His thing was uppers because bowie was also a workaholic He was also very hyperactive. He had to constantly be doing something He released an album every single year and some years released two albums from 1969 until 1980 like that is and they are almost all fantastic. There are a couple of exceptions and a couple of albums I don't necessarily like all that much, but for the most part it's a body of work that is unparalleled by any other artist
Starting point is 00:31:24 I mean, how does he even have time to go to the bathroom? Was he just recording that too? You don't really album you don't really go much to the bathroom when it's just nothing but cocaine and milk in your sister I feel like that is the recipe seven pounds. Yeah, but I I'm gonna have to say I usually agree with 100 with mr. Henry Soprowski, but cocaine and milk that is a recipe for a problem No, no, no, you get the peppers to even it out You guys might be thinking we're joking no David bowie survived on cigarettes cocaine peppers and milk for like two years And nobody and nobody not even bowie knows why he did it
Starting point is 00:32:03 He just fell into it. It's like well, this is me now I just imagine what his breath smelled like. Yeah, I was gonna go close to him Yeah, I'm thinking, you know, he had a lot of women at this time. I would assume as well. What does that taste like? His magical sauce he was married to a woman named Angela from 1970 to 1980 who and by the way They did also have a pretty open relationship Uh, he bowie was super fond of the blowjob Um or a person though. I mean that that's milk peppers cigarettes and coke Can you imagine what that come tasted like? Oh, that's probably burnt a hole through the tile
Starting point is 00:32:42 Like an ale like the aliens blood So no matter what we say bowie what was going through bowie's head at the ziggie stardust time He was in way over his head So 1974 saw the release of diamond dogs, which diamond dogs does not get enough credit for its completely horrifying post-apocalyptic imagery the opening track future legend is an extremely unsettling spoken word piece Where in bowie talks about how quote fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats But he was trying to build up to a rhyme for that He got it. He got there. He got there. And the gay folk cover of the album is an absolute beautiful horror
Starting point is 00:33:28 Shows bowie as a naked half dog man top half bowie bottom half dog flanked by two overweight blue dog women in green bikinis all three have this weird bizarre kind of troll hair red And all three look like they're ready to kill no cocaine involves anywhere in that cover design I just want to be the employee at sears when they show up for the photo shoot Like what kind of backdrop do you want? We got the tree. We got woods I want something that shows the power of stasis and how I am between god and man on a spaceship to bars We got a blue. We got a blue one. I like the blue. Oh Diving dogs marks the point in bowie's career when the simple and somewhat innocent fascination with the occult
Starting point is 00:34:22 The you'd used on for inspiration on hunky dory and the man who sold the world turns into a full-blown extremely harmful obsession And with bowie status as a world famous rock star increasing steadily along with the paranoia It was almost certain that conflict with other world famous rock stars would occur David bowie found his antagonist in the form of led zeppelin guitarist jimmy pate If you don't know and I found out recently that some of you out there don't Led zeppelin was one of the heaviest bands of the 70s particularly the early to mid 70s
Starting point is 00:35:01 And their stock and trade were songs about either fucking or magic Specifically lord of the rings type magic right jimmy page in particular The guitarist was heavy into the occult and he even went as far as to buy allister krally's old house, which coincidentally Burned down just a few months ago, and I'd like to think that bowie One of his last wishes Burned it down himself and it down burn it down and the wizards house Down right will not conquer me in death
Starting point is 00:35:36 I don't know men at the time because I just can't imagine that bowie in the 70s While all that coke is just like his he's just so flimsy that he can't even like strike a match The match wins somehow he lights himself on fire I was said that bowie was deathly terrified of jimmy page because he believed that jimmy page Was a powerful warlock hell bent on cast and harmful spells against him We've got a nerd alert. It's a postmortem nerd alert and it's going for david bowie Can you understand that like most people in bands excited honestly except for marcus Are incredibly lazy
Starting point is 00:36:22 I'm stunned people. They they have no drive. They're sitting around noodling jimmy page I'd like to think yes. He'd like to wear a wizards hat And yes, he'd like to he liked to write magic lyrics and stuff again But I think one thing that we forget in all of this is that occult teachings and magic writings also just straight up Help you get laid Right right yeah, and that if you want to talk about magic all the time It helps you get laid by the exact type of people that you want to get laid by witchy people You want to meet a hot witchy woman?
Starting point is 00:36:58 You got to talk about magic to get them to want to have sex with you But that's what jimmy page also may have been doing. I'm gonna say The world famous rock star behind the the magic discussion probably helped. Yeah, if you're putting up fucking Yeah Rebuter parts and radio shack and you're trying to talk to a woman there being like Sometimes I believe that this realm is just a fold on top of the next I don't even know why I'm in a radio shack. I don't need anything from 1992 Yeah, but if you're jimmy page you can sit and talk about hermeticism
Starting point is 00:37:35 But you could also pause every once in a while to say play the riff from whole lot of love right? Yeah, exactly and panties just like literally go Seems to shoot out the side and the pussy just goes up and all of a sudden He's just like he becomes really tiny in his mind and he's up inside of her Do the panties go into the or out like an incredible hulk thing or sort of a consumption like a black hole thing It's out and then he's tiny crawling up the herlabia's and then going up to the clit and just Like it's a fucking speed back. Yeah, like a drum solo Well, well, of course a lot of this is anecdotal type stuff, but I
Starting point is 00:38:13 In my research found a comment on the website mysticbanana.com Titled is it true jimmy page tried to kill david bowie with his magic powers That just might refute this. This is what the comment said in full No, it was never true jp actually liked having db around it as beckoning because db always had the best hero and connections in the states me Jimmy was actually so fond of db and tried to help him out of his paranoia by leaving db fingernail clippings in a milk carton Fully urine for db to keep in the refrigerator alongside of his own So that db could have a spell cast on jp of db found his paranoia to be true as weird as it is
Starting point is 00:38:59 It sounds today That is the honest truth of an ex heroine dealer who was there We got some purple stuff. We got some orange juice. We got a piss gallon piss drug full of fingernails Don't you dare touch it? That's my jimmy pager and I used to cast a counter spell if he ever finds my magical elixir What what kind of apple juice is this? This is a tasty, uh Do you like it? Yeah, I do. It's very good Sometimes I wonder why I keep all this urine in the fridge, but then I just Got a peppery. I just feel fine, and then I know why I know exactly why
Starting point is 00:39:41 Well either way by 1975 Bowie was in the throes of full blown cocaine psychosis, which is an actual Medical condition. He would late. He later said that he was hallucinating almost 24 hours a day during this period and he always kept a copy of psychic self defense by deon fortune nearby Which describes itself as a quote safeguard for protecting yourself against paranormal Malevolence I'm so glad everybody can join me at my house right here. This is my gold record for zaky sodas and spider's remorse and over here This is just a safeguard for protecting yourself against paranormal malevolence and over here is the refrigerator
Starting point is 00:40:23 Where I keep my jimmy page urine now if you all please leave Leave this dinner party is over Kind of straighten the last two things were kind of odd there So besides protecting himself from jimmy page Bowie also became convinced that a coven of black lady witches were trying to steal his semen So they could use it to impregnate themselves to create a baby bowie to sacrifice to the devil Now he might be on to something there. That could that that seems actually kind of reasonable And being single is hard. It is it is before tinder
Starting point is 00:40:59 He also sometimes switched to believing that the black lady witches wanted his semen for the purpose of building a david bowie Hamunculus. What's a hamunculus? A hamunculus is a totem type creation normally in the shape of a body that is said to a lot of times an ancient jewish lore That you can use it to They call also called a golem that you can use this thing to serve like it's a it's kind of like a frankenstein monster And you can use it either for a magic ritual Like as a to stand in place of a person that you're trying to do something for or against in a ritual or for it to come To life on its own and I guess
Starting point is 00:41:34 Do copycat albums? Is that what they want to do? They think it's going to roll around and steal david bowie's cocaine? I just feel like it's a Really mean thing to call a tall person in high school Hamunculus you're actually pretty lucky that no one's ever called you I don't have any magic friends growing up They did a lot of coke though. So david bowie in 1975 arrived at what could be called the cocaine capital of the world In the mid 70s san antonio, texas Is that right? Am I right?
Starting point is 00:42:08 No, no Los angeles california, and I actually have to take it back This is where he hung out with the bassist for deep purple That would be glenn hugh's when he first got to los angeles But he would soon move out of glenn's house after finding out that he was living just a few doors down from the site of the Lobby onka murders perpetrated by the manson family, which it must be remembered in 1975 That it only happened six years before and of course there are also you know another person in the music industry if you'll remember Dennis wilson was heavily involved with the manson family
Starting point is 00:42:48 So manson and magicians at that point in time weren't a groovy mix, especially if you're all Psyched out on cocaine. That's interesting. I would have thought that he might be drawn to it It's kind of cool. No, I mean it's kind of cool Maybe at a different point in his life you would have been drawn to it, but if you're all gacked out Uh, the thought that an entire family of hippies might come and murder you Tends to freak you out a little bit. Yeah, his paranoia was already at its height Yeah, and uh, all of that just seemed like some pretty heavy dark vibes I imagine and helter skelter was already well known the entire story of the manson family at this point
Starting point is 00:43:27 Was well known at least vencent boogliosi's version of the manson family was well known at this time and bowie was very very Uh aware of the devil at this point in his life as we'll see with What happened when he moved into his next house? So him and his wife angela ended up buying a house that was formerly owned by the dancer gypsy rose lee Who bowie discovered soon after moving in had painted a hexagram on the floor of one of the rooms And after angela david bowie's wife from 1970 to 1980 as she told it she spent
Starting point is 00:44:06 Days coming down bowie after that little incident. Yeah, I feel like she's really the unsung hero here She must have been aging like the president. I mean how difficult is it to be angela? The wife of coked out gacked out david bowie, but she definitely did not age well I'm sure she did period. I think fucked with her Pretty hard care to make her who she is now. She's a fucking mess now. Yeah, but if you read like say if you read, uh, please kill me Uh, which is that's her autobiography No, it's an oral history of a punk Uh, it's a one of the best rock and roll books ever written
Starting point is 00:44:42 Uh, but if you read that book, uh, and you listen to some of the people that are sort of that were sort of behind the scenes A lot of them say that bowie wouldn't have made it without angela that she sort of steered him in the right direction musically So after the whole hexagram, uh fiasco David claimed that he witnessed with his own eyes the devil rising out of their indoor pool one night So i'm gonna say rich people's problems. Can I just kind of not have sympathy for the guy who? You imagine satan coming from his indoor pool. That's awesome. That's all yeah, I mean yeah, because the whole time I've just been like, oh, yeah finally made it. There's everything like a hell yeah satan
Starting point is 00:45:27 I just noodled on my fucking guitar like watching him fucking dance on top of my hot tub I think I have a dark brain though because I watched that documentary the nightmare everyone with sleep paralysis They looked like great dreams to me This sounds like an awesome fantasy So david after he saw the devil decided it was time for an exorcism He reached out to a woman named cherry vanilla Who it must be noted was a proprietor of one of america's very first phone sex services and also One of the central figures of bowie's main man management company in the mid 70s
Starting point is 00:46:06 cherry put david in contact with a woman named walley elm lark and nothing is more reliable than a woman named walley Elm lark and our lark elm lark elm lark like the tree bird because she was a white witch Yeah, she was a white witch from the new like bet middler Ah, yes, that's a white bitch white bitch She was a white witch from the new york school of occult arts and sciences That was located over on 14th and 7th right over there in manhandling. I've got him I'm a porter buddy. Yeah, thanks to the fucking to tell them
Starting point is 00:46:48 And and walley she was by all accounts super groovy 70s gal She recorded as for example, she recorded a spoken word album with robert fripp of king crimson In which she talked about how spirits from other places took the form of musicians such as jimmy hendrix Mark boland lead singer of t-rex, of course david bowie and Mike gibbons the drummer from badfinger not david crossby, huh? No cross be involved Same time. You're not saying this correctly marcus in order to correctly say the sentence. It must sound like this She recorded a spoken word album with robert fripp of king crimson, man. It was the fucking dopest in i've ever heard, man You talk about spirits from other places. They take the forms of musicians
Starting point is 00:47:41 Such as jimmy hendrix's one T-rex dude was one. He was a spirit mark bowie, right? David bowie, of course. He sucked dick And Mike gibbons the drummer from badfinger, which I had the same time is just like why him. Yeah I couldn't find out why she thought Particularly just the drummer from badfinger who bad fingers They're good like gonna say it's one of the worst names in rock and roll history. Mike gibbons badfinger Oh bad fingers fine. They had that something baby blues a fantastic song. I'm saying the name itself It sounds like a like a down syndrome bond villain
Starting point is 00:48:23 I am badfinger. I am badfinger Okay, I want you to give me a cake days bond I want you to give me a cake so that we can pretend it's my birthday Bond james bond. Can you find me a better villain? This is embarrassing for my brand So in a phone conversation from new york to los angeles Elmlark gave bowie a series of spells and incantations Plus a list of magical accoutrements that he could use to exercise his indoor pool of the devil
Starting point is 00:49:00 So bowie and angela whom this account comes from by the way Set up an old-time elector and began the exorcism now angie who it must be said Was more than a little skeptical about bowie's occult dabblings Still had to admit that something strange did happen that night. She said she was totally sober And she always thought that anything occult was total bullshit and that he was just sort of putting on airs And was as she said trying to scare jimmy page. Hey, uh, it turns out guys, uh, you got a whirlpool That's actually just that's a whirlpool every time you hit that button. You think it's a light No, that turns on the that turns on the the whirlpool
Starting point is 00:49:44 So I don't see the possession, but this is a hot tub. You guys know that, right? Yeah So that's the bubble because it's a it's a hot tub I well you guys are pretty nude So once you get clothes and we can kind of talk about my fee for just coming over here and just confirming that this is a hot tub okay So as bowie performed the incantations The water in the pool started to bubble violently and angie says not in the matter that say Pool jets would create and when the ritual was over
Starting point is 00:50:19 Angie said that there was a stain at the bottom of the pool That she said reminded her of a gargoyle statue very sinister and years later Angela talked to the properties real estate agent who told her that no matter what any new owner tried No matter how many times they tried to repaint the pool the stain came back every single time It's a dookie mark. You'd be surprised how hard it is to come out of the terracotta bottom of a pool And I will say it does look like a gargoyle form. Yeah, only because uh I got some hold of the the client's Special powder over here. I don't know what this is and my balls felt really moist
Starting point is 00:51:03 And so I decided to put it on my balls, but now I'm just seeing gargoyles everywhere So those of you who are particular fans of nazi occult lore Might have perked up your ears a little earlier when we mentioned the vril society But you'll be happy to know that that wasn't the only fascination that bowie had with nazis and the occult for around 1973 bowie got a hold of a copy of the spear of destiny by trevor ravenscroft We mentioned this book during our nazi occult series as one that had me fooled for about its first 100 pages or so Before I checked it out and discovered that the book was a complete and total fraud If you don't remember the general idea behind the book is that hitler was a magically imbued
Starting point is 00:51:52 Super sorcerer who is obsessed with finding the spear of destiny Which bestowed upon those who discovered its secrets the power to rule the world And now while I had the power of the internet and the hindsight that living in the year 2016 gives me Bowie had no such luxury in the early 70s and took the book for a complete and total Fact I will say cocaine was the original google You just had all the answers flowing through your head gave you confidence So you have the confidence that you were right. He's seen devils in his pool. Um, again Lips red from pepper
Starting point is 00:52:31 Got dukey gargoyles a lot into everything I think he would have picked up a menu and he was just like this is a wonderful book It's got hamburgers and fries in it. I must I have a new idea for a concert Well, I'll dress up as a giant burger And I'll go out to the audience and let them eat me I do like that. I do David. You cannot make a character out of every single piece of paper you read So not only is the spear of destiny Wonderfully bizarre and if if you're really interested in in nazi occult or like alternate history novels
Starting point is 00:53:08 The spear of destiny is a fucking hoot man. It is so So much fun and let's not call it alternate history. It's just lies. Yeah, I'm alternate history an alternate a Fictional an historical fiction book is what I would call it Ben it's a lot historical fiction. That's that is an actual literary genre benjamin I know I know it does give it a little bit of gravitas that I don't but again Remember it is alternate history to us. It is truth in some realm That's right But no matter how bizarre it is you can actually see where bowie may have gotten one or two ideas from it
Starting point is 00:53:47 In the chapter the drug induced vision of adolf hitler Ravenscroft described how hitler on the advice of a sinister hunchback who ran in a cult bookstore in vienna Took piety and with a dwarf named Hans as his trip sitter Hitler hallucinated a series of past lives that convinced him that he was the rebirth of the villain Clingsor from the Wagner opera Percival Which hitler believed was based on landulf of kapua an actual person And now we're not saying that this did not happen, right? It may have happened
Starting point is 00:54:26 It could be that when hitler was living in vienna before world war one He may have known a sinister hunchback who under in a book called bookstore. He may have taken peyote with a dwarf named hans We don't know but Well, if his life was written by david lynch then he definitely did But supposedly according to trevor ravenscroft This convinced hitler threw a very roundabout way that i refuse to get into here that trevor took about 40 pages trying to explain
Starting point is 00:55:00 That hitler was the antichrist Even though bowie wasn't into hallucinogens It is possible that he was trying to emulate hitler's shortcut to transcendence because bowie was Obsessed with hitler for a short period of time and by obsessed i mean him and mc jagger saw a screening of triumph of the will And bowie got super into the showmanship of hitler And that's what he said he said about hitler that hitler was the first great rock star That he turned an entire country into a stage show
Starting point is 00:55:38 Which he got into a lot of trouble for his gas pseudo pro hitler stances at the time because he also said that he Was so consumed with uh the theatricality of it all and he was so consumed with sort of the path Uh of the occult knowledge that the nazis were trying to find that he Totally forgot about all the bad things that they did right. Yes. Mick jigger would have gotten into it. He was really into the fashion Yeah, yeah, he was super into the fashion and this is also when he's sort of Of and that's of course at this point. He's starting to ramp up to What is possibly his most fashion centric character the thin white duke? And the thin white duke is the character that he created for station to station
Starting point is 00:56:28 And the thin white duke is what you become when you eat nothing but peppers and drink nothing But milk and do nothing but cocaine for two years. You become a tiny Sliver thin husk of a human being with the palest white skin that you could possibly imagine I just wish I had his confidence. I know I just wish I could have had this support system That he had that just were like, yeah Every time david bowie had an idea they were just like yep You go do it. Yo, yeah, and you know what he was right almost every time he was he was really good at it
Starting point is 00:57:09 He was really good again. This is the dangerous thing. Remember this is in the hands of a artistic Genius, he's a genius at doing this You can't just do it No, no, don't just walk around and being like i'm the fat wide fat wide prince You're immediately you can't just walk around like hey, hey, hey everybody. Hey, hey, hey, hey I'd sing old polkas and dirty polkas about how fat my wife is like it's not gonna You're not gonna get super start up. I could dirty polka might might get you some fame the biggest Oh, I don't want to you can have her. She's too fat for me. She's too fat for me. Hey, she's too fat for me
Starting point is 00:57:47 Hey, I don't mind you can have her. She's too fat for me. Hey, she's fat. She's too fat. She's too fat for me. Hey Hey, I love it. I can't wait to have a wedding So as far as station to station go goes it is Amazing that bowie survived the recording of this album. In fact, he doesn't even remember recording it He was quoted as saying I know it was recorded in la because I read that it was right and if you listen is When you listen to station to station, which I really hope you do after Uh, we finished this episode know that station to station one of the most brilliant albums of the 70s Was recorded in 10 days. It wasn't like say like television's marquee moon where they
Starting point is 00:58:32 rehearsed 10 hours a day for six months before going in and recording it over a two day period He just walked into the studio Recorded this fantastic album in 10 days Does it even remember doing it and then just left and three of those days were spent on his mime tracks Which didn't translate just didn't translate to the album I was making a box David I just don't know if it's a it's an audio medium. Uh now I have to start again. I was supposed to interrupt at me I
Starting point is 00:59:14 How long is the track exactly that we're As long as I can mime More peppers It's a station really blowing through these peppers The italian grocery next door would be like I don't understand How many a palette of pepper are we bringing in and I try and I try and I try and maybe maybe an orange pepper And maybe a green pepper No, man, just reds
Starting point is 00:59:47 Good year for the pepper biz two years of busy busy pepper business some pepper It's just like this bubble's never gonna pop So station to station has some of the most over references to the occult since hunky dory the cobalistic tree of life is explicitly referenced in the title track as well as Crowley's pornographic book of poems white stains now. I think It's been a long time since we've read anything from white stains not since our great b666 episode a few years ago Let's have henry read a poem from white stains. This one is called go into the highways and hedges and compel them to come in Let my fond lips, but drink thy golden wine my bright-eyed Arab
Starting point is 01:00:40 Only let me eat the rich brown globes of sacramental meat Steaming and firm hot from their home divine And let me linger with thy hands in mine and lick the sweat from dainty dirty feet Fresh with the loss aroma of the street and then anon. I'll glue my mouth to thine It's kind of a nice poem You got the vomit noises in the poem. I'm sorry Tell me young Arab what rhymes with It made me like a
Starting point is 01:01:22 I will say my I think my favorite Two lines of any poem or the rich brown globes of sacramental meat steaming and firm hot from their home divine I eat shit in that right? Yeah, or roast beef. That's exactly what it is rich brown brown globes He's eating little dookie balls Steaming and firm which that means they are fresh and the man has eaten his fiber Hot from their home divine meaning the asshole is what? Alistair Crowley bees uh, it seems to be a holy place. David Bowie ate dookie. No, Alistair Crowley did. Oh, we know that's a fact But we also don't know that David Bowie ate dookie. He did hang out with Lou Reed a lot
Starting point is 01:02:06 And Lou Reed ate dookie. Well Lou Reed liked to have the plate glass done. Ah the deniro. Yeah Yeah, Lou Reed. We had the plate like to have the plate glass done. And Lou Reed also did like to shit in mouths Um, and would very casually just walk up to him. It was like, hey, you mind you want to go uh back to my hotel room And I'll shit in your mouth and if they said no, you'd say like cool and walk away cool. Yeah Yeah, yeah, we're good. Can't help but can't blame a guy for asking. No, you cannot dookie king So at any rate the song station to station is essentially the coke-fueled roadmap of Bowie's Misadventures in the occult the line you drive like a demon from station to station
Starting point is 01:02:49 Coupled with the line one magical movement from kether to malcoo Tells you that he realized by the time station station came out that he went too far Too fast and fried himself in the process of trying to find some occult knowledge because kether to malcooth Kether it's either kether is the high I think it's kether is the crown of the cabalistic tree of life It's the top malcooth is the bottom the earth and when he says one magical movement from kether to malcooth He means that he tried without really doing anything in between to go from the bottom to the top and
Starting point is 01:03:31 Completely fried himself in the process. He was saying that because you're supposed to it's supposed to be take years of prep Yeah, it's years of meditation and and considering the chakras and doing all they're supposed to go through a Stage by stage by stage and if you just try to poke your way through the kundalini line, you're gonna come out Sounding like a jackass Interesting. Yeah, you're gonna come out the thin white duke a husk of a man Like an absolute husk of a human being Which he's at the end by station to station Bowie's at the end of a fruitless journey, but still
Starting point is 01:04:07 Trying to understand pictures that were taken that were used as the back cover to a later release of station to station Show bowie wearing black and white striped clothing sitting on the floor sketching the cob the Cobbalistic tree of light and it's this picture That connects bowie's failed sojourn into the occult in the 70s with David Bowie's very last video Lazarus and his death soon after it's released last week now But before in between the station to station and lazareth, we know David Bowie went through nine other like permutations He did like in the industrial thing He was like he did a bunch of dance albums. He did a bunch of stuff. He became much more normal him and he married a mon
Starting point is 01:04:54 Well, I mean he had some beautiful kids Well, not until uh, but well right after station to station. He recorded the berlin trilogy. Uh, awesome, which is amazing And low low was awesome heroes lodger and then he followed that up with uh, scary monsters Which is also amazing and then it's 30 years of pretty mediocre stuff. Oh, he found love Yeah with the mon. Yeah, and like I think he married a mon in like the early 90s or something like that He did good. He did good. He didn't have to do more than he already did And I think that's that's a thing to do It's like he had already made his mark and at that point you're making music because you like to make music
Starting point is 01:05:30 Yeah, but and then because heroes the berlin trilogy then just kind of feel like like he's just a really and We go really good musician. He was a beautiful musician who knew what he was doing And he didn't uh, he kind of dropped some of the really extreme viewpoints of his younger career Well, he was coming off of cocaine with low low is the follow-up to station to station. He's coming off of cocaine Uh, at least it's his first attempt to kick cocaine. Of course Yeah, it was him and Iggy Pop got together because then him and Iggy Pop were really close. Well, it was but it was more him and Brian Eno with low Uh, of course, Brian Eno was in Roxy music
Starting point is 01:06:04 He produced the three best talking heads albums and produced one of the best albums of the 70s here come the warm jets Uh, but if you listen to station to station the what here come the warm jets. Yeah, I don't I feel like that's what uh, The uh, what was like the guy who shits and mouths? Hello, I'm for just your crowd. Oh, no. Oh Lou Reed. Yeah Lou Reed. Here comes the warm jets We're mine for that poor woman, you know Here come the warm jets How was your time with Lou? How was the date? Bro, a proud date
Starting point is 01:06:43 But if you listen to low uh and uh low Um, the the first habit like side a is you know, they're they're fantastic David Bowie songs like sound and vision keep crashing and I keep crashing the same car But side b is mostly instrumental Uh, and to me it sounds like a transition between one part of his life and the next Is the first part, you know that what he had been doing the last like four or five years that he had kind of been Working towards this sort of working towards this knowledge trying to find some sort of hidden secret knowledge And then with station to station he admitted that he failed
Starting point is 01:07:24 Uh, that he hit a brick wall. He almost died Uh, and he had to start over and the side and side b of low to me really sounds like he's moving forward But having no idea where he's going next. He has absolutely no idea what's in front of him But he's still walking forward, which I think is something that Bowie took to the very end of his life Which brings us to black star So for the last year or so those of us who follow stuff like this have heard the cancer rumors about David Bowie When he died of cancer it was definitely it affected me, but it wasn't a shock because well
Starting point is 01:08:06 I tell you that christin miliotti on a disease and is in lazareth's his new musical And she's been working with him for the past three months and she was saying how He I asked her it's like is he sick because I heard that he was sick and she was like well He's here every day. Yeah, and he's and he works really he's been working like crazy had limited hours Um, uh, and he sometimes came in looking like he'd just come from treatment, but mostly it was like What you're gonna find is that he had had a full revamp creatively He had come back over the last year and out of nowhere when he got the terminal diagnosis of cancer And he said this is that he it's like he had that purpose kind of clicked back in where he was like
Starting point is 01:08:45 I know what to do now It's it's it's a full sweep back to my occult leanings and lazarus with a bit was a big step in that And she also said he wore he had crazy sneakers and smelled really good. Hey, all right good to hear Yeah on november 19th of last year bowie released the video for black star Uh, and anybody who had heard the rumors and also anybody who was kind of interested in bowie's occult leanings As soon as you watch black star, it's it's pretty much he's gonna die in 2016 because if you if you haven't watched the video it's It's absolutely beautiful goofy at times like the sea the seizure dance the seizure dance It's pretty fun black man white man little girl shake
Starting point is 01:09:29 It's It's really it's really weird but the overall concept of The video is absolutely beautiful So the first thing that you see in the video is a skeleton in a spacesuit which harkens back to His first hit space oddity, you know major tom all of that and then when the little It's very interesting because then you see him kind going back to his own
Starting point is 01:09:56 That what grand morse when we talk about is we're just creatively creating these avatars for yourself a major tom Was probably his first real like symbol of himself as this sort of man loss in space and then black star is Where major tom goes? Yeah He ends up on black star and then we see when you cut this the the astronauts body with this head It's the skull headed. It's bejeweled Covered in jewels much like the dead catholic saints and display in churches across eastern europe and he's putting himself as like saint bowie Yeah, and that's not a far stretch. He he absolutely. He's he is self-aware. He knows that after he dies He's gonna be yeah, people are gonna freak out. Oh, yeah
Starting point is 01:10:35 He's gonna be sanctified. He's gonna be beatified like david bowie as long as people are talking about music David bowie will come up and then after You get the the spacesuit the skeleton in the spacesuit you see the bandages covering his face Which really is in both black star and lazars is I think the the creepiest image of them all because he's he's got these Bandages over his eyes and he's got these tiny black buttons where the eyes should be and I think because also it's important It's also I think it's an ironic self expression of the idea of like blind profit who paints eyes It's like this whole time. Do you've looked at me as of a person who knows what's coming in the future? But I don't and you view me as like and so in order to portray that it's like I am blinds
Starting point is 01:11:21 But I draw this symbol of eyes on me that you've done You've made me do because now you look at me and you believe that I have the fucking secret, but I don't have the secrets I don't know man. I don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah, nobody knows. I mean black star is I mean he is terrified If you watch these videos, he is not going gently into death He's going into death not knowing what is coming next and he is admitting to everyone that he has no idea What's coming next and his producer said the same thing he only had when he came in He only had several images in mind and one was the crystal But it was it was major tom
Starting point is 01:11:57 He was basically he named check major tom and the other one is he wanted a lot of scarecrows Yeah, and I don't know if that's just because he thinks scarecrows are cool because when I first watched black star I didn't know he was just about to die. I watched it. I was just like David Bowie's Doing something. I was just like well, it's gotta be cool It's gotta be right because it's David Bowie and this is what he obviously whatever he wanted this to be Is exactly what he wanted it to be. You can never go wrong with a scarecrow out of ideas use a scarecrow Well, it's also at the scarecrow. Uh, there's also three scarecrows. It's a reference to the crucifixion to Golgotha
Starting point is 01:12:35 Another occult reference So those same bandages with black buttons link black star to his final video that came out just three days before he died Lazarus one thing you might have noticed in that video where the strange black and white clothes that Bowie was wearing And if you look back to the pictures of Bowie during the recording of station-to-station where he's sketching the Cobbalistic tree of life He's wearing the exact same clothes And I think that Bowie late in life when he was facing death Returned to the occult studies that he had failed at so badly in his youth
Starting point is 01:13:12 And it could be that it was only at the end of his life He could truly understand that like he said in quicksand in 1971 Knowledge comes with death's release. Oh my god Fuck yeah, you're on rock and roll never dies And it really does it really does it and he will live on always because we because of what he meant to so many people and the the occult thing aside like Just this besides the symbolism is that the the reason why he is the most successful magician of all time is because His creations will will live forever and it's showing that that it's that thing about art is that that that's all you need
Starting point is 01:13:50 That's where the magic is the magic is in creating something that wasn't there before And living it and never looking back and he I don't know. It's it's kind of beautiful. It's it's incredible He he will he's he's in history now forever. Yeah, it is a beautiful life. It is almost a perfect artistic life Uh, it's it's insane that this man was able to at the end of his life He didn't die in a dumb hair went overdose. He didn't die in a car crash It wasn't sudden. It was almost like he was ordained to do this Like he was allowed to do this. Wow, but yeah rest in peace. Uh, David Bowie
Starting point is 01:14:27 Uh, he It's it's I don't know. All right Amazing what a what a informative episode about a musical genius and an artistic genius all around. Yeah I mean, that's what he always said the other side Bowie. See you man. That's he always says that he wasn't he never considered himself a musician He considered himself an artist who used music as a medium and I will say a lot people do want to see Bowie on the other side But you didn't see him in real life. So you probably won't see him there either. Uh, he's busy He's in like a special park. You know, he's just like being like really cool. He's in the VIP side. Yeah, you're still not gonna meet him Yeah, tell me Beethoven. Do you have peppers here?
Starting point is 01:15:04 Oh my god, yeah, all right. Uh, what a great episode great research everybody that was wonderful Rest in peace David Bowie and I'm gonna go back on that diet of his you gotta go peppers milk and coke It's gonna be big Let's see. So what do we usually do at this point in the show? Uh, if you guys hail Satan to everyone Yeah, that's right. And if you guys uh want to donate to our patreon campaign. Thank you to everybody who has donated so far go to uh patreon.com slash last podcast on the left Uh, and you can donate however much you like. I hope everybody is enjoying the first shipment of bones that are coming in the mail
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Starting point is 01:16:21 Yeah, what kind of juice Come I think I'm making love better since You know let a satanic bible let it out though. You gotta let it out. Don't want to keep it all in there No, no, no these the pillows in this hotel room are living fear Ever since I I mean I I'm uh myself. I'm reading the old testament and ever since I've started I've been a lot angrier All right, very good. Yeah, if you read in the god voice enough it starts to seep into your real life
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