Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 215: Paranormal Photography

Episode Date: March 10, 2016

It's the world of paranormal photography and technology on this week's Last Podcast! Today we'll be covering "scientist"/wolf-medicine shaman David Rountree, a slew of possibly authentic photographs of ghosts, and the drunken unemployed bellhop/actual paranormal phenomenon Ted Serios.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? I think it's fine. I think it'll be fine. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna get raped at this family ranch.

No, there's- I don't know. I don't know. I've never really been to Texas. I've only been to Austin, which I've been told is sort of the Hillary Clinton of Texas. That's right. The big fraudulent, wide-bodied, serious haircut part of Texas. So is that the rest of Texas?

And is Austin the Bill Clinton of Texas? I think no, Austin's the Bernie. The rest of Texas is the Hillary. All right, welcome to the last podcast. On the left, everyone, I'm Ben Kessel, looking at the beautiful Marcus Parks. Hey, hey, with us as always, we got this guy. I'm Henry Zabrowski, and I always will be. Now, are you sure?

And my son, who will be named Henry Thomas Zabrowski the third, who will have to live in my shadow, and have to figure out his own fucking bullshit to get out underneath the pressure of what it's like to be the next Zabrowski. But you're not a junior. I am a junior. You are a junior. Henry Thomas Zabrowski Jr. is my full name.

You're fat, cop, dad. Henry Thomas Zabrowski Jr. He is a senior. I am into his legacies. Nothing more egotistical than making your kid a junior when you're a failure. He is not a failure. He's a civil servant. And what do we know about civil servants?

They are the feet to the body that is America. All right. So today's subject matter, I'm so excited. It's a paranormal photography. And technology. And technology. Okay, now, all right. Jebediah, I want you to smile for the camera.

We have it all set up. Please smile for the digital camera. Get out. No, no, no, no, no, no. I understand you want us to get out. This is your final resting place. But just please just for a second. I'm just trying to get a picture.

Get out. Piggy goes. Piggy went. Piggy has much blood to spend. What? Something's weird about this Sears portrait studio. I'm really sick of these crude ghost rhymes. What background?

Well, photographs of paranormal activity have been around almost as long as the medium of photography. Photography itself. And while even before the days of Photoshop, a ghost photo was fairly easy to fake using double exposure, today we'll be discussing a few mysterious photos without such easy explanations. And at least one photographer whose method of photography itself was where the mystery began. Now, let's say this.

I really want to believe in ghosts. Yeah. This has been our problem on last podcast on the left is we've wanted to cover more ghost stories. But it's very difficult to find this stuff that is genuinely creepy. And a lot of the stuff you read about about ghosts is honestly completely bullshit. Oh yeah. And we're going to learn a lot about bullshitters and the bullshit that the bullshit really

soon. Right. But how do you feel? Do you feel like there are ghosts to take pictures of? I think that there are. Absolutely. And you know what, ladies? Your ex-husband isn't coming back.

So just feel good knowing that someone's still in the house with you. Or do we think that they are just reflections of the consciousness of pure energies on the floor of a holographic background of a wormhole? I like ghosts better. That's what Daniel Roundtree believes. And we'll definitely get to Daniel Roundtree. But before we get to Daniel Roundtree, let's start with the highest order of bullshit that is contained within the phenomenon of paranormal photography orbs.

You watch what you be saying about orbs. I got a whole collection of orbs and they're my family. Is that right? That is my, they are my brothers and my sisters because they all died and the last ones died in a fire. And now all I have are these precious pictures of orbs all available to you for only $29.95. You're selling your family pictures? Yes.

There's my mom right there. It's right next to this picture of a tomato. You can see that right there. It's a big pink orb because just that was the shape of her, the bottom of her belly. Isn't that nice? Now spirit orbs are small spherical blobs of light that sometimes show up in photographs, particularly flash photography done in dark spaces. And while some claim that these orbs are visual representations of spirits, the phenomenon is

among the most easily debunked claims made by the paranormal community. The rise of spirit of the spirit orb phenomenon coincided almost perfectly with the proliferation of digital cameras. And while orbs occasionally showed up on pictures taken with traditional film, sightings have exploded since digital cameras became the norm. I think I would actually love the idea of being an orb. You know, you could, I was never good at playing baseball, but maybe I could be the baseball. Yeah.

You know, people could throw me around the walls and stuff like that. And you'd finally be light and fun instead of long and dark. That's correct. I want to be an orb. Yeah, you'd be like little Cinderella fairies, but it'd be like you'd show up and be like, you got any bear? Yeah, you guys got any loose jerky line around or like, or you'd just go into like a singles bar and go like, hey, hey, what's going on, lady?

I can grant you a wish. The only way I could do that is if I could have a smellier vulva. And then you would go on the girl's skirts and live inside the vaginas like you've always wanted to. Oh my God. Now, believers say the reason why the phenomenon coincides so neatly with the technology is because digital cameras are able to pick up paranormal activity in ways that traditional film can't.

Oh God, what is that? Oh, I'm up to my knees in horseshit. Oh, is that something? Now skeptics say the exact same thing, but use the fact that digital cameras pick up objects that normal film can't to debunk the claims. I feel like that's got to be a big blow when they use the same reason that you just said when you're talking to a scientist and you're like, but the technology has gotten so incredible that it catches all these orbs.

And he's just like, exactly. Exactly. God damn it, Herman. It's like, I've seen a ghost, all right. It's like, you remember that movie, Ghostbusters? Yeah. You remember that movie? It's a little-known movie.

Oh, and there was one that fat man, the fat man, the blues brother. You lay down on the bed and then the ghost whipped down and kind of pulled out of his pants. And I guess it alluded to the fact that it gave him a little bit of a blow job. And I'll tell you what, it's completely real except when it was done to me, it was the ghost ass. Did you masturbate it to Ghostbusters? Yes, of course.

It's a pornography film. No, it's sort of a comedy spoof horror film. No, it's a- Well, do you tell me you got a grown man covered head to toe in green goop and no one's masturbating to that? Then I call you not an American. Okay, well, I guess I'm a Mexican. Spirit orbs are actually nothing more than pollen, dust, or moisture, things which actually

weren't picked up on traditional film. And as far as why spirit orbs are more prevalent in supposedly haunted locations is simply because most of these places are abandoned and dirty. So when you're walking around yelling at ghosts, of course all of the dust is going to get kicked up. Two black ghost-hunting sketchers are kicking up dust bunnies everywhere. I feel like you guys are being too cynical about the reality that ghosts are orbs. I mean, that's just a fact.

It's not a fact. The reason why they show up in graveyards is because graveyards earn fields with grass and when you're walking around a bunch of pollen gets fucking knocked up. Oh, well, you've never been to a Wisconsin graveyard. And that's got to make the ghost stalker's dataman mourner like furious with his allergies and like, well, I could tell that there's a ghost here because I'm getting dry-throated and my eyes are red. And I got a ghost activity.

It is quite heavy in here because oh, so give me a ghost handkerchief. You're allergic to paranormal activity. Yes. Ghosts are filled with hay. Is that right? Not pollen though. No, pollen is for pollen. All it gets the allergic to it if you're Chinese.

I don't know. I got to look at my EMF machine. It's going as if it's happening, as if it's happening. Troy Taylor, the president of the American Ghost Society and paranormal photography expert, he actually, I'm on his side. He put it perfectly. I find the whole idea of orbs to be more than a little insulting. It insinuates that when I die, I will show up as this pathetic blob on someone's camera

to be displayed to the whole internet like an eight pound catfish mounted on the wall. It's a great reward. I mean, who doesn't want to be mounted on somebody's wall? You think two catfish sit around and be like, man, I hope they don't eat me? I hope this stuff me. I think that's true. Yes. Now that same researcher said that orbophiles, as he calls orb enthusiasts,

have again and again contacted him saying that he has quote unquote orb envy because his pictures don't have enough orbs in them. I love that. Whatever. But I do think that's a bit of an orbophiles kind of an insulting term, isn't it? Well, he means it to be insulting. Oh, being pedantic. Yeah, these are underage ghosts being lured into some sort of bizarre ghost fan

so they can be had sex with by a man with a moustache. But I understand wanting to go ghost hunting. It's a fucking blast. It's fun to go walk around an old abandoned church or an old graveyard. It'd be nice if some of these paranormal groups had a couple of like hot women and even hot dudes in it so they could all make out in the graveyards because to me, that's what you, that's the whole point is that you take the person and you find hot out to the fucking, the old church or the old graveyard

and you get to be like, man, I hope this is not the night the ragged phantom comes. It's like, I've heard the only way to keep them from killing us in our sleep is that you got to touch my pee. So that is, that's actually sort of a sexual entrapment. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody agrees. Everybody knows. You're using a little bit of fear to make everybody wet. She wanted to go hunt a ghost, but then you went out because you wanted to hunt her.

I wanted to hunt some pussy ghosts with my ghost busting. Okay, we'll let it go. Pocky stick. Is that it? I gotta rattle some ghosts around inside of your parts. This is, I'm great. I was great single. Now, when you start doing heavy research on orbs, it becomes painfully obvious that the people who are most vocal about their belief in orbs are also the same people who have something to sell or promote.

And as Troy Taylor says, and it's opinion that we all agree with, I have not changed my mind about the fact that random ghost hunting is not an investigation. And while all of these so-called ghost hunters that have a stranglehold on the paranormal television genre these days, while they all deserve our scorn and derision, the one that we'll be covering today might be the worst one of all, Mr. David Roundtree. David Roundtree is a favorite on Coast to Coast AM,

just because George can ask him questions of being like, tell me, David, do ghosts have a smell? And then David Roundtree is like, yes, George, they absolutely do. And you know what that smell is? I'd say a caramel. A caramel smell, that's amazing. You know, some people say caramel, and some people say caramel. What do you say, David? I'm a caramel. I say caramel.

That's what I say when I say caramel. Me, I say caramel, because why forget the second A? Am I right, David? So tell me, do you think you could marry a ghost? That's a perfect George Norrie impression. David Roundtree is credentials that he's a New Jersey ghost hunter and cast member on the Destination America show Ghost Stalkers, which like many of them specializes in using technology

to prove the existence of the paranormal. Wouldn't it be amazing if Ghost Stalkers was just a show featuring the ghosts of famous stalkers like Mark David Chapman and the guy that shot himself in the head while trying to talk to Bjork? That would be amazing. And them just being like, no, that I'm a ghost. I can go in their bedroom anytime I want. But David Roundtree, he wrote a book called Paranormal Technologies,

Understanding the Science of Ghost Hunting, and I wrote a book called Demon Street USA, the true story of a very haunted house. But David Roundtree is a part of the paranormal technology movement that's happening in Ghost Hunting and in Ghost Theorists right now, which is the idea of bringing heavy, quote unquote, heavy science into the world of ghost hunting. So what he says about shadow people is that he believes

one of his many cockamamie ridiculous sentences that he says is that they are parts of antimatter. They are not, it's not black matter. It's not dark matter. It says antimatter, which is purposefully non-existent and reflects light rather than us. It absorbs light rather than reflects light like we do. Antimatters from the 1987 DC Comics crossover,

Crisis on Infinite Earths. Exactly. And that is science. And that is exactly how it is described. He is getting his research from old DC Comics crossovers. But he's also a shaman who practices wolf menacing and regularly refers to himself as Gray Wolf. Well, now I'm confused.

Is he a scientist? No, well, he's a scientist, but he's also a shaman. But I think he's Puerto Rican. So what does that make him? I don't know, but I will say his Facebook profile. I got lost in his Facebook profile, which has got one of the saddest things. The David Roundtree Facebook profile says

his category is former public figure, which is actually very sad. That is the saddest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. But I went through and I really got lost in his world and he's got a lot of pictures of him shirtless with his weird dad bod with a fur vest on and many Native American necklaces on. He's one of those guys.

Oh, very cool. I mean, you had me at New Jersey. I knew exactly what he looked like. Do you have to be mean to the ghost when you try to entice them to come out? Come out and face me, ghost! It's my pet peeve about all these shows. They just scream at these ghosts.

Why can't you just be nice to it? I don't know. You'd think, you know, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, I always say. I say you catch more flies with a fly-catching bucket. Well, that's just a bucket. Paranormal technology is what I'm talking about. You need a ghost-catching bucket.

Yes, I suppose that's true. Why don't you be nice to a ghost for once? Yeah, please. Well, we've got a little bit of information straight from David Roundtree's mouth from an interview that he did on Coast to Coast about five years ago. And on this interview,

he really hammered home his central belief as far as what ghosts are. It's actually an interesting idea because he tries to do the gigantic mega-theory for all paranormal activity, or as we like to call it, anomalous activity, or experiences,

where he says that everything we see, like UFOs, bigfoot ghosts, are just, and this is what I said before, which is ridiculous, is the reflection of the consciousness of pure energy on the holographic boundary of a wormhole. He thinks that localized wormholes pop up in houses, and when we see ghosts,

we see energies sort of on the, like, you know, when you come onto, like, a piece of paper, like you're doing a magic ritual, and it's got a film on the top of it. I guess I could say, like, I see. But it's got the bubble on top of it. Ghosts play out on that because when people die,

these wormholes open up, which is what the tunnel that we see in the near-death experiences... That's from the frighteners! You made the analogy more confusing than what you were actually saying. What he's saying is that it's wormholes that pop up locally.

Yeah, I know! I've seen the frighteners! It either goes to heaven or it goes to hell! But he said holographic boundary of a wormhole. Michael J. Fox didn't even have the disease in the frighteners. That was the heck of a movie. But he's saying we're seeing it in other realms through tubes. Ah, yeah.

Space tubes. Well, what David Roundtree says, that he hates telling people about this because they will, in his own words, poo-poo him. You would be surprised, George, the kinds of poo-pooing that goes on. It's heavy and it is frequent.

And sometimes I find myself up to my shaman necklaces in poo-poo from various critics. And I gotta say, I'm about to take people's shovels away. You know what I'm saying, George? Yes, I do. You wouldn't believe how much poo I see on a regular basis up to ten cubic liters. He'll tell me, David, do go swear shoes! Here's a few other examples

of things that David Roundtree actually said on this interview at Coast to Coast. In his experiment, in his various experiments, he tried to bring high technology to every one of his investigations. So what he tried to do is prove that EVPs, that what we hear ghost talking, is not actual sound. So he took microphones and put them in Faraday cages,

which is the only way I could think to describe them is Frankenstein Jails. What's a Faraday cage? It's like, you ever go to, you ever see things like, it's like a Tesla, you're standing next to a Tesla quote, they have no purpose as far as I'm concerned. I'm not a scientist. They are cages that exclude electromagnetic

and electrostatic waves. Faraday cages are actually very useful in science. You don't know! When have you used them in science? I've never done science! Exactly! I read, I read, Henry! I poo-poo, I poo-poo! Oh poo-poo, oh poo-poo!

That's how he's scraping poo-poo off the poo-poo deck. Oh my god, Henry, please don't poo-poo mark his ideas. I'm fucking chock-full of it! I had a lot of knowledge flax this morning from the readings I've done, and so my poo-poo was loose. Okay. And he did not prove that EVPs were not soundbites. Well, he said that he recorded something,

but the thing is that he shows it, in order to prove an EVP is real, what he does is he shows it to five people, and if each one of them says that they hear the same exact thing, then he says it's real. But he says he's only encountered about ten of those in the entire time he's been doing investigating,

which is about twenty years. You're an anti-noise noise. No, now you're poo-pooing me? Marcus, Henry's going poo-poo-crazy. Henry, stop poo-pooing, you're poo-pooing too much. I'm about to put some rubber gloves on because the poo-poo's about to get up underneath my fingernails. I'll be grabbing it so firmly and mushing it

into your perfect hair men-kissle. Thank you so much. Henry, I want to ask you this. Why does he want to change the word paranormal spelled P-A-R-A normal to perinormal? Perinormal sounds like it's more than normal, right? Perinormal is re-making it normal. That's what he said.

He's going to use science to show, which is what people talk about with studying paranormal activity a lot, which is that it's not magic, it's undiscovered science. The way he did it makes him sound like an asshole. Interesting. So, this is one of my favorite ones,

is that in order to tell the size of cold spots in rooms, they take the temperature, they take the thermometers, and they throw them across the room. And if they don't break, they can get an accurate reading. But he's like, but you'd be surprised, George, how many microphones we go through and investigate. That's how Agent Dale Cooper tried to solve the mystery of his dreams in Twin Peaks.

Exactly. True sources. Yes. Well, he likes good things. He likes good comics and good TV shows, good movies as well. And he does have fantastic taste. He does. Frightners is a great deep cut to learn about how to catch a ghost. Yes. And Gary Busey's son, Jake Busey, very good. He was very good. Very good.

Everyone was very good at that. Also, Michael J. Fox before he became a human drink mixer. I already mentioned that he wasn't doing that. It's very sad. It's very sad. And Jeff Combs just being himself. It's all he needs to be. Now, speaking of equipment, what's sad is that for some reason

they cannot permanently record the dial reading. So he's like, a lot of times you literally have to trust that the guy running the sound cart just heard a ghost say, Hey, I think one of you farted here. He's just like, the things bounce and they have no proof. And then he says, now all of his various,

how you know that he's a true scientist and that he used a bunch of shit like he says, I don't know what he said. I don't know what he said. I don't know what he said. And then he also is saying that the reason why he knows that ghosts come from wormholes is because he said ion increases happen

quite often during ghost scientists, which I still don't really understand. But the problem is that ion meters in order to measure ion, which I don't even know what any of this means, where the ions jumping up and down, they're just counting on you, not knowing what it exactly. But the he's counting on you, not knowing what it means.

Exactly. But he said, again, that not only, then he disapproved himself, he's like, but the problem with ion meters that they're notoriously inaccurate, the best ion meter you can have is only 5% accurate. What does that even mean? It's not accurate.

But then he also says that there's spikes in gamma radiation that occur because of subatomic annihilation. What is being annihilated and what is doing the annihilation? Shut up. We're in an interesting spot right now and I'm so stupid I can't understand it which was making me feel dumb.

But I should feel smart for not understanding this because it's so stupid. It's the problem is that you're trying to put science in paranormal activity research and I actually really believe in it. I really want the hard data to show us that ghosts are real. I want a fucking alien's cock

in a jar. I want to be looking at it. I want to ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. I want to jiggle around in a jar. I want to see it. I completely agree with him. Who come in and throw a bunch of nonsense and science words at everybody which gets him booked on a television show where they think he's a scientist

and it's all horseshit. If I was producing a TV show I'd book him. It's fun. He's a great guest but he's a terrible person for in addition to all of his bullshittery he's also one of those guys who lies about his military service. He claims that while he did serve in Vietnam

he did actually do that but he claimed that he got an over star, two bronze stars and a purple heart. He also said that he was there at the fall of Saigon and just a dozen different inconsistencies he's found in his story but Roundtree has refused to

could very easily release documentation to prove his claims but he refused saying on Facebook quote, my life never has been and never will be an open book. Deal with it. Winky face emoji. He did a meme. He did the deal with it meme.

Deal with it. The sunglasses come down, deal with it. It's also really sad when you go through his whole Facebook photo profiles you see him go through three girlfriends. And you see the same picture of each one of the girlfriends that they're heavily photoshopped. And also the picture of the PlayStation

controllers over a woman's breasts and his hands with that shirt that has two plays and controller over the hands and it's his hands on his shirt and he's got a chance to play with these controllers love every minute of them. I'm getting on duty to these people. My uncle's a piece of shit.

God tell you that. And when he was pressed further on releasing this documentation he doxxed his accusers and wrote that he has quote a rather long hit list and shortly after posting a selfie in which he was pointing a

rather large gun at the camera he wrote the caption to my enemies. He's like Steve Buscemi from Billy Madison. He's just ready to go. Yes and he had his daughter take the picture of him holding the gun against the lens of the fucking camera. That would have been a fun story.

I will say if you do think you've wronged this man give him a call. Just tell him hey thinking about you. But I actually think there's some so what he says that all of his readings point to this wormhole theory. I think there is something to the idea of many dimensions

the way our brains sort of receive the many dimensions. I get that but the problem is a man like this is sort of like what we deal with in the UFO world with disinformation which is like this horseshit

muddies any of the real theories that could reflect something like this. Well this is more misinformation than disinformation. Disinformation is like unless this man is a plant like possibly the MJ12 documents

which we will get to very soon you fuckers. I've been reading so much alien shit I don't trust anything that you say I'll say this real quick I'm on a new thread which is if the hoaxers are hoaxing us if the

picking up of UFO ships and having alien bodies if that is also a hoax administered by the US government why are they doing that? If they're not even trying to hide alien bodies why are they trying to fucking hide? So the hoaxers are hoaxing us? Oh yeah it's an onion

it's a pretty big onion and I've been shouting about it quite a bit. That's good. Things are going well career wise you can tell by the more I scream about aliens. Now while David Rontree is without a doubt

a fraud and generally terrible human being there are actually some ghost photos that exist that merit some actually serious discussion and there's some creepy ass shit and that's what we wanted to do today because we want to make sure that you're afraid that the brown woman

is going to come out of your ass. No not the brown woman the brown lady please. She is a noble woman. Brown woman is Oprah Winfrey. No you can't say that. You can't say that? No I don't think you can say that. Oh so it's Shonda Rhimes?

What are you talking about? Well yes the first photograph we will be discussing today is the infamous Brown Lady photograph. Tyra Banks. Not Tyra Banks the brown lady of Ryman Hall. On September 19th 1936

a photographer from Country Life magazine was visiting the aforementioned Rainham Hall in Norfolk England at around 4pm as he was setting up his camera to take a picture of a particularly beautiful staircase. It's a nice fucking staircase. I thought it would be a woman I have to admit

for Country Life magazine. For Country Life magazine he's taken pictures of the house. He witnessed with his own eyes a ghostly apparition moving towards him. And while the reporter traveling with the photographer claimed to have seen nothing the photographer in question

snapped a picture anyway and when the film was developed a fairly convincing transparent figure was indeed seen moving down the stairs. Now the legend of the Brown Lady so called because of the old fashioned brown

dress that she wears has its beginnings in the early 1700s. Because the original pink guys had it come from Native American babies. Sad though what we did to them. Now his legend has it Charles Townsend a nobleman with a famously violent temper upon learning

that his wife had participated in a short affair years before the two were even married. Charles Townsend faked the poor woman's death and locked her in a room at Rainham Hall till the day of her death.

I mean don't you usually kick your girlfriend or wife out after you find out about an affair but not in 1726. You keep them closer. I thought it was to get out of here but he's like come in here. I think you make them their own little world with the only girlfriend that exists

in that room. Now even if the locked room is fake death story isn't true there is still quite a bit of speculation that this lady the brown lady did not in fact die of smallpox in 1726.

But was rather murdered when her husband pushed her down the same stairs she appeared on in 1936 in a fit of rage. There's really no good way to die back then. No it's smallpox starving to death locked in a room or jaw rot get shot in the face by a musket

bitten by a snake you could dysentery from an outdoor toilet you just get beaten to death hit by a carriage and sometimes they just stop breathing. Maybe stomped on by some cows. You're given birth to a baby you get stuck up against your hole and then just goes

until it fucking mixes up your fucking insides and then you die going while the father just sits sipping brandy smoking a cigar saying unfortunate better get another one. Men did great. Men were having a fine time a little bit of a better time I said.

Wool rashes was bad. But you know I was thinking about I mean how disgusting it is terrible death to die flying down a flight of stairs you break your neck or your bone. She broke her neck supposedly. But that's quick. Is it that quick? Yeah it's kind of fun actually I think that's kind of a fun way to go. The stairs? I say the worst way to go is

bleeding out your ass until you die inside of a porter potty. Yeah I actually don't know that could feel refreshing. Well the first recorded sighting of the brown ladies ghost came on Christmas 1835 over a hundred years after her death.

A one Colonel Loftus reported that as he lay in bed Christmas night a woman in a brown dress approached him and as her glowing face drew near he saw that her eyes were nothing more than empty sockets.

Hot. Later down put some hard boiled eggs in them. Cracked those open for fun. And the Colonel left Raymond House that night with most of the household staff following him the next day. Can you imagine the shrieking of a Colonel like running up

whoo whoo whoo What do you think? Do you go with them or not? You're sleeping? You didn't see the ghost? Get the fuck out of there. You go? Yeah it's 1836 you can get another servants job. I want to say I want to see the goddamn ghost. Yeah exactly. Well that's where the next sighting comes

in. That happened only one year later in 1836. This time the witness was Captain Frederick Marriott who was a pioneer of the C novel. The captain was staying at Raymond House for the express purpose of dispelling

the haunting rumors saying that the whole thing was just a cover for local smugglers hoping to scare away anyone who might come across their operation also known as the Scooby Doo Gambit. Is that what you made up? I like that the idea is that just a bunch of people walked around with like sheets on going like

oh leave you leave you wallet oh the only way I will ever peacefully rest is if you give me those Air Jordans. I don't know if they had Air Jordans back there. No.

Now while the first two nights passed without incident the third would prove to be the most eventful. Captain Marriott a gregarious fellow had spent that night visiting with some of Rainham House's permanent residents playing with guns and upon

returning to his room to turn in for the night the captain happened to tuck a small pistol into the pocket of his nightgown. Because how else would he not know that his penis didn't work anymore? That's right. And as he walked down the hallway back to his room he noticed

a woman at the end of the hall carrying a lamp slowly approaching and the captain being a modest Victorian quickly hid in one of the hallway closets keeping the door cracked open just enough to make sure he knew when the woman had passed by

and he could then continue on his way. But as the figure drew nearer the captain recognized her from a portrait that had hung above the bed in the guest room. It was indeed the brown lady of Ryman Hall and even though the captain had not made a sound the apparition

stopped at the exact spot where he was hiding turned her head and grinned. Now after the woman turned and grinned her diabolical smile at the captain the captain not taking any chances immediately

opened fire on the ghost firing two shots into her head. The brown lady quickly vanished the only evidence of the incident being two bullets lodged in the door opposite the captain. And that captain was the great great great grandfather

of famous American George Zimmerman. I knew you were going to say George Zimmerman I knew it so hard. The photographer of the infamous stairway photo was the last person to witness the brown lady of Ryman Hall and although no one

has been able to conclusively prove that the photo is a fake there are a few theories as to how it could have been done. Because there's a thing Marcus and I were talking about earlier when we were talking about the episode is that it seems like I don't know whether or not it was much easier to fake a ghost

picture back in the day than it is now or it was actually much harder. I think it would be much harder wouldn't it be? Well what they used to do like all of the debunked like we're really the only photos that we're talking about today are the ones that haven't been conclusively debunked. There are thousands

of fake ghost photos that were made in these days because it was actually extremely easy to do. What they would do it was a double exposure is that they would just expose part of one photo over the setting of another photo and it would create like a transparent

ghostly like ghost like image. And on this picture they say maybe a way it could have been faked was by smearing grease on the lens. Yeah because it's not a clear figure like it's merely I mean it's human shaped but he does it's a haunting

picture and we're putting together a photo album of all of these pictures and it's very true like it feels real. Yeah it really does it really does what do I know I smoke weed as soon as I'm not talking see I don't I don't smoke weed so I can also say that it feels

real from a sober and clear headed perspective I might add oh right there we go poopoo I poopoo on you uh oh poopoo alert now some people say that yes it could have been a smudge on the camera they say he possibly

used grease or Vaseline something like that others said it could have been an accidental double exposure or that light somehow got into a camera but that doesn't explain the accidental theory doesn't explain why the photographer on site witnessed the ghost. This was the 1800s

no this is 1936 19 you don't waste Vaseline in 1936 you don't waste it no way. Now the only full on attempt at debunking was done by a pair of Hollywood magicians named John Booth and Ron Wilson

using a similar camera and taking a long exposure of Ron walking down the stairs of the magic castle in Hollywood the two were able to make a reasonably reasonable facsimile of the brown lady photograph. We're not saying it's real but it

it could be. People who debunked it are magicians they're liars that's what they do for a job. But you should watch the documentary an honest liar. Oh it's a great documentary. It's amazing by it's John Randy I forget the name. The amazing Randy the amazing Randy he

it's all about he was a professional magician that made a whole career on debunking essentially his main enemy was Yuri Geller right but he also went and attacked several gigantic like you know super pastors and all that shit in their ways their bosses which is very interesting.

That's a magician's job though that's how he put it that a magician's job is to sort of protect the lie. They're supposed to openly be liars that tell you I'm going to lie to you and tell you I'm going to trick you and then do it and then you can't see the holes in their trickery

of you and his problem with people that fake ghosts or that fake religious healing is the fact that they are taking advantage of people that are coming at them like vulnerable desperate people. So the other ghost

that has been photographed in England is the ghost of Newby church up in Yorkshire now it's among the most famous of all ghost photos and this one taken in 1963 shows an almost nine foot tall figure

wearing a black robe and a white shroud with two dark holes where the eye should be cover its face possibly to mask leprosy or another disfigurement he stands in front of the church rectory tall and thin the creature is semi-transparent

which suggests that the picture might be a double exposure but multiple experts who have examined the photograph over the years found no abnormalities of the type it's very easy to spot if you know what to look for on these old photos

it's very easy to spot a double exposure even if it is double exposure there's still a nine foot giant in the town is that right? they had a common probably pay him five shillings and the newly invented peanut butter all buck of it to put his shroud on he's like

sir I stand near the organ when do I get to go? maybe he's a very nice giant no there's never one yes there are some you're technically the nicest giant I've ever seen and you're prickly now the strange thing

about the newbie church photo is that newbie church itself has never had any reportings of hauntings before the photo was taken or after the photo was taken and the picture was taken by reverend kf lord who at the time

reported no apparition whatsoever being present now it is entirely in the realm of possibility that the figure in question is just a projection but this would have taken a fair amount of fairly complicated equipment

and where a reverend from Yorkshire also known as the Texas of Europe where he got this equipment or what his motivation might be for faking such a photo those are mysteries yeah they're bog people yeah I actually don't know anything

about Yorkshire but it just seems like I know about the pudding but then I just feel like most of the people also look like the Yorkshire puddings I know enough about Yorkshire they're nice people I'm not saying they're bad I'm just saying they're of a type and I'm saying that there is a and there's a whole bunch

of bog people down there that are like they're not faking pictures of ghosts they're too busy getting too drunk to put their thatch hunts together well that's not a bad person that's just a drunk person now it isn't just young beautiful socialites or mysterious leper

monks who show up in these photographs two of the creepiest examples involve visits from a much more mundane sort the elderly these are the pictures that really do creep me out because they're so real and a part of it is just true where it's just like

never spent time alone with a really really old person yeah I once watched my great Aunt Bielow rip apart a teddy bear with her bare hands how's that go for ya it was traumatizing and what does the teddy bear do to your great aunt Biela not Bielow Bielow

even worse than Biela no idea so what was she screaming the whole time being like I hate I want to see his guts I want to see his goddamn guts eerily silent I spent except for I only watched her out of the corner up my eye I'd spent most of the time focusing on the water burger that was

outside the window terrifying but this is the yeah so an 85 to 9 year old it just feels like death is close and it feels like ghosts are on being like I can't wait to get over here I show you where I can get you a seat in the lunchroom that's not too close to the bathroom

yeah you know what I mean like it's all there all this way to be like oh you gotta hurry up and get here we only got four people to pay trivial pursuit and it's only fun when we've got five now the first example comes from a Mrs. Maybell Chinnery

one day as she was visiting her mother's grave in 1959 Maybell for some reason snapped a photo of her husband while he was waiting in the car as he refused to visit the grave of his mother I won't go I refuse to see a grave

I like the car it's nice and warm and you can't make me go I hate putting flowers on things and I hate things written in stone you know why because I hate permanence that's a good point I won't leave now when the film was developed

the couple noticed a shadowy figure lurking in the back seat and on further inspection Maybell discovered that the figure was a dead ringer for her dead mother whose grave they were visiting that day once again double exposure

and reflection have been ruled out completely and one photographic expert even said that he staked his reputation on his claim that the picture is genuine very cool it's very cool and it's a very scary looking picture but what I like about it too

is that it's a part of what almost makes me believe in sort of the holographic nature of ghosts and how even when you don't see it it's like these dubiously real pictures the ones that you look at and that are heavily kind of they try to debunk them

but they can't really the photo quality of the ghost is very interesting because it's like an attempt at it being actually there like it looks it's the picture is looks like a dream logic version of of a person actually being there

you think it's like the ghost really trying hard like if you're constipated you know but you're a ghost and you really want to be seen do you have to like really push hard like in the movie ghost not in the movie ghost it's a good movie ditto pushing the penny kind of got to think real hard be Patrick Swayze kind of ghost

but to be like seen yeah I don't know I would just feel really bad for Patrick Swayze if he's going to audition rooms even now just trying to push pennies you get it you get it you know like it's a big fun joke to him no one respects the penny anymore

no no no he's trapped between worlds the other example is a fairly innocent picture of an old lady at a nursing home the old woman's daughter visiting her on family day took a picture of the octogenarian looking somewhat morose and not extremely pleased

that her picture was being taken because you ship an old woman to an old people's hotel where old men are finger bang on every woman that's around them which is true there's a lot more weird instances all that should happen you basically put her in like in sing sing

but for old people like it's like benevolently you can't leave though you're kind of kept purposefully in prison and so then they have a family day where you could come and eat jello and stare at them and then you look at to leave again well you get to go and fucking 69 your husband

without hearing your mother in the other room talk about how loose her goddamn teeth are that's right I do picture them taking pictures of ghosts and then the person is just like I'm still alive and they're like okay I'm still alive here look at this incredibly realistic ghost picture

no in that particular picture was developed a figure who had not been noticed at the time appeared behind the old woman and the family says the figure who I might say looks a hell of a lot like the giant from Twin Peaks yeah is without a doubt

the old woman's husband who died 13 years prior it's pretty creepy picture and he's definitely like staring yeah hollow-eyed poor guy too on his death but he's like finally I've been released from this woman oh yes I hear Marilyn Monroe will be here

or Jane Mansfield my favorites are back oh god damn it I gotta see Maude again can't even talk back to her now although these pictures are definitely creepy perhaps the most fascinating paranormal photographic phenomenon

had more to do with the photographer than the photos themselves which brings us to Mr. Ted Sirios Ted Mr. Silly Sirios possibly one of my favorite people that we've ever covered here

on last podcast I love this guy and he is fascinating now Ted he was an alcoholic unemployed bellhop from Chicago he was also a former car thief a compulsive liar and almost certainly a psychopath but he had one

special skill he claimed that he could transfer his thoughts to film it was a problem when your whole life was bullshit oh that's the problem and you've always been your compulsive liar thief, criminal, unemployed bellhop which is just unemployed by the way

which is just like you just are a human cart not to insult a bellhop no I love a good bellhop a good bellhop but most bellhops are naughty naughty bellhop I don't know what your experiences have been oh they're trying to get in there

every bellhop when they come in there and they're kind of waiting for the tip a little bit is like they're kind of hoping to be like maybe you could just show me the tip okay I'll give you that now Ted, his method was that he would use a piece of plastic

tubing that he called his gizmo in conjunction with copious amounts of alcohol which he called film juice Ted produced over a thousand images in his career

as a thoughtographer as he called himself now Ted's method was to get blindingly drunk hold his gizmo up to the lens of a Polaroid camera scream obscenities often in various states of undress

and instruct the photographer exactly when to take the photo it sounds like Gary Busey I would pay so much money to see this man work oh my god I wish I could have seen him now Ted was discovered in the mid 60s

by a respected psychiatrist named Dr. Jule Eisenbud it's pronounced Yule Yule Eisenbud he was from the University of Denver here's Dr. Eisenbud talking about what would transpire

during the serio sessions parts of people or scenes it almost sounds like when he was hot in the groove it immediately sort of sounds like he's talking about a DJ and also the alternating whiteies and blacks

DJ Sirios that's a good name whiteies and blackies just because there was white exposures and black exposures what would you call them Henry Zabrowski you know you're going to have to edit out whatever the answer is

you call them Ronnie's and Oprah's oh okay Ronnie's and Oprah's but the images that Ted produced remarkable to say the very least at the very end what Dr. Eisenbud was talking about is that these images besides

just the you know the whiteies and the blackies which were they shouldn't have been by all accounts they shouldn't have showed up like that a small number of the photographs actually showed images of far away places

that Ted had never visited and the most compelling images showed words misspelled such as the Mountie station whose sign spelled Canadian wrong or the picture of the airplane whose struts appear to be inverted and these sorts of inconsistencies

and rearrangements of letters are exactly the types of things that we encounter in Dr. Eisenbud the types of things that we encounter in dreams and we were talking about this earlier when I was saying about the dream logic attached to ghost phenomena and UFO phenomena any sort of anomalous phenomena

is very interesting it's about that to me what kind of makes it a little bit more legit is that when you see the weird it's they're not purpose they're not perfectly like made pictures they look like smears they look like a thing you see out of the corner of your eye

and then he kind of somehow throws them blindingly drunk not unlike Jackson Pollock so it's like a window pane when it's raining outside sort of thing actually yeah a lot like that it would be a little blurry but sometimes it would be very sharp and focused

of course there were plenty of skeptics most of them focused on Ted's little gizmo which again was either a short piece of plastic tubing or a rolled up piece of paper depending on Ted's mood that day now here are two skeptics

explaining just how Ted would have been able to fake his thought-a-graphs Charles Reynolds and David Isendrath experts in both photography and conjuring speculate that Ted might have used the gizmo to hide a pocket magnifying lens

with a tiny slide stuck on the end by taking a piece of a transparency a piece of a photographic transparency and fascinating it across the end when light passes through the transparency and then through the lens

is picked up by the optical system of the Polaroid camera and voila it becomes a photographic image somebody has a wedgie callous uh oh the main problem though

is with it is that in order to take the pictures they show later on is that you had to put the tube flat against the camera lens and they took the picture but the problem is is that he was like part of the thing that makes it seem that explanation less legit was how hammered Ted was

yeah Ted would get so hammered and so belligerent when you see footage of the actual process he's running around going he's gonna like go fuck you fuck you with the camera they're trying to like bleep it out and he's like the little device hardly hits the camera

yeah but uh the logistics actually say the use the exact same thing yeah they try and use it they say that it is actually a an old magician's trick is to cause chaos it's misdirection but although that definitely is compelling it doesn't

explain Ted's second method of thoughtography what Ted would do with the photographer miles away he'd call up the lab and tell them exactly when to take a picture and when the Polaroids impossible to tamper with

in post production when the Polaroids came into focus the researchers found that the pictures would be completely blacked out even though there was nothing blocking the lens and there was plenty of light in the room

cool and Ted's last thoughtograph was taken on June 15th 1967 it was an unusually sharp picture of a set of red curtains and Ted somehow survived into the 21st century

and died in 2006 and the mystery of thoughtography died with him well he's just one of those guys that just lived with spite he just lived like he just lived like they all telling me I'm supposed to die but I'll tell you what I'm going to do drink until everybody leaves me alone

amazing he had a very long life really long life for screaming alcoholic psychic photographer for even a vegan who was sober he had a long life I've seen the videos of him in 1967 he looked

near a middle aged but with alcoholic bell hops it's real hard to gauge exactly how old they are especially when they're unemployed bell hops a lot of time on their hands great episode about paranormal photography and technology

I never want to take away from the ghost argument I want ghosts to be real I believe there is something to we're going to find later on in life I think 100 years from now it will finally be that gigantic theory that ties together ghosts and aliens and bigfoot

I think there is something to all of that phenomena put together that's why we see ghosts in the same place we see UFOs we see Sasquatch it all happens there are places that have high psychic energy well reality is thin

I believe it entirely and you can change your reality you fuckers you can you can change your reality indeed alright well let's see here what do we do now first right off to up top man

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