Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 226: The Hillside Stranglers Part II - Airplane School

Episode Date: June 3, 2016

It's time for murder on this second of three episodes about the Hillside Stranglers as we Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono's sadistic killing spree from beginning to end. Music by: "Mary Celeste" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ "Casa Bossa Nova" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

There's no place to escape to. This is the last podcast on the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? It's hot outside. It's hot outside. It's hot outside. Porn bloopers, huh?

We're just gonna start the show. Welcome to the last podcast on the left. I am Ben Kissel. That's Marcus Parks. Can we let him talk? Yes, of course you can let me talk. This is his free speech zone. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here.

That's how I announced my free speech zone as I bring an air horn with me. And I just blasted until people leave me alone within a half square mile. Oh, I see. Free speech zone means you can't let anybody else. You don't want to hear anybody else. Absolutely.

I have to keep it at a decimal level, at which I cannot hear lies. I will say the worst place to tell your girlfriend that you love her for the first time is a rap concert because they're always blowing that damn blow horn. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here. I love you. What's that, honey?

Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here. I love you. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here. All right. Well, speaking of the complete absence of love, we're under the hillside stranglers part two. My God, it gets gruesome. Yes.

At the beginning of one of these heavy hitters, I like to really sit and think about, like, why do these serial killers actually become serial killers? There's a lot of, like, there's a core reason for a lot of people. Andy was a monster, right? He hated seeing, like, nice things. He also was a bit of a late and Republican.

I'm gonna look at Mr. Kissle over there. Yeah. But I would say he, so he fueled a lot of hatred into stuff, right? John Wayne Gacy was, was hated gays. His father made him hate homosexuals. But John Wayne Gacy himself was so gay, he wanted a semen color, like fucking scented candle. Oh, yeah.

He wanted to just have a semen cupboard rag and put it up his nose while he was at work all day. And if you do want to know what a semen scented candle smells like, you can go into any 13-year-old boy's bedroom. That's pretty much exactly what it'll smell like. John Wayne Gacy was so gay, he wanted, he was like, he wanted to dress as a Jamaican maid kind of gay. You know what I mean with like,

I don't know. I had no idea what you mean. That is not even a stereotype. Out of all the stereotypes, gays have had to overcome. You just put Jamaican maid dressers in there. Oh, got to tie him up. I got the tiddest sweater in my belly. And so he's, he's, he was, he was fighting that, right?

Where did these guys come from? Like, except this, I think this is one of the first cases truly where you could see somebody like Bono literally had like serial killer trading cards where he was really a guy who grew up with knowing that he wanted to literally be a rapist when he grew up. And Bianchi, I think at some point

made the active decision of being like, huh, I think I could be a pretty good serial killer. Well, without Bianchi, Bono couldn't kill. And without Bono, Bianchi couldn't get away with it. Yeah. So you think that's what it is? You think that Bono had the street smarts that allowed the thing to go for it?

I guess we find that later on when he, when Bianchi makes his move to Seattle, like Frazier Crane does after Cheers. Yeah, when Bianchi got the big radio deal, that's right. Yeah, exactly. Like these two guys, like they, on their own, I don't think would have killed. I think that when Bono got together with Bianchi,

Bianchi finally had somebody to push him into it. I don't think Bianchi had it in him because what you see with a lot of serial killers is they have something that pushes him into it. For example, John Wayne Gacy, when he accidentally murdered that boy who was just trying to make him breakfast. He kind of wanted to murder the boy a little bit, though.

He kind of wanted to murder the boy a little bit because they had that in him. But he got pushed into it by himself, but he still got pushed into it. And then once he did it, he found he liked it and escalated from there. I think that this is a rare case in which you have an actual human being

pushing that serial killer to murder. And then once they murder, they find, they love it, and they want to do it more. Well, you look at what Clay Thompson and Steph Curry are doing right now with the Golden State Warriors, the way they make themselves rise above. Also, you got to almost,

I'm not going to say be jealous of, but be aware of the true openness of their relationship that they could tell each other's their innermost fantasies. But that most straight couples, most of any romantic couple has a hard time expressing what does they really want to each other. But these guys just come out and say it.

What confidence, without a safety net, love should be lived in a life without a safety net. That's a good point. Well, what it was is that it was a definite escalation. I don't think they ever actually were sitting there one day when we start killing some broads. I don't think it got to that. It started with them pimping.

They started pimping, and they started treating women how they pretty much always thought that they should be treated. They, of course, had that control over them. And then once the trick list was sold to them, they finally had an excuse. That anger had been building up in them for so long,

because that's the thing about Bianchi and Bono. They were power control killers. And it started off with controlling these women as pimps. And then finally, once they had an excuse to actually murder a woman, they, of course, like they said, okay, she sold us this trick list.

Let's kill the bitch. Now we can. Now we can. It's a list of people who are the tricks. No, no, no. We covered it last episode. The trick list. What it was is that, remember,

it was supposed to be a list of people that wanted call girls to come to them, but in reality, it was a list of people that liked to eat out. Yeah, I remember. That you made their people. And also it said stuff like, walk the dog around the world,

jump rope, yeah, the scatterbrained mammogram. Have you seen that yo-yo trick? No. It is dangerous to do if your breasts are not covered with a sort of kevlar. Yes, that's good. But that's what that was. So they finally had that excuse to kill.

And then once they killed, they didn't need the excuse anymore. Because these guys, like I said, they were power control killers. They're highly organized, and all of their pleasure comes from the capturing, torture, and eventual murder of their victims. And control is a huge part of these guys' process.

And as the control begins with the victims, it begins before they even know that they're in danger. Say for two victims, the stranglers, their whole thing is they like to trick people. They like to trick these women. They like to demonstrate their mental superiority first, and then they demonstrate their physical superiority over them. It's also ease of the crime, right?

It's a part of tricking them, is getting them into the car without incident. It's without having a struggle. Because a struggle out on the street is where you're going to get a bunch of people watching. Two men dragging a woman into a car like that's going to freak out the whole neighborhood. But also in the way they killed them that we'll go into,

that exhibits their need for control. It's very similar to BTK. Somehow together, it's like, because Bianchi's kind of like a Bundy, and Bono is kind of like a Coral Pans Ram. He's just like a general, like if the world had to throw it, I want to put my hands around it kind of guy.

And together, they make like a BTK meets Jordan meets the other guy. Are you giving me the elevator pitch for your new screenplay? Is that the deal? Okay. Yeah, I think that's very true. I think these guys do come together to make a BTK. Just without all the weird fetish stuff that BTK was super into.

They didn't do as many selfies as BTK did. BTK liked art. Disgusted. So from the very beginning, the L.I.P.D. knew that they were dealing with two perpetrators. The first victim, Yolanda Washington, had marks on her arms and legs that indicated that two men had moved her

from the crime scene itself to a second location. Furthermore, two different types of semen were found, with one type belonging to a man known as a non-secreter. Yeah, that's why I kept seeing the term non-secreter. What does it mean? A non-secreter means that they can't tell the blood type of the perpetrator just from the man's semen alone, just from his bodily fluids.

Usually, you can test semen like, alright, this guy's type A, type B, but with a non-secreter, they are still virile, but it just means that they can't test the semen to see what the person's blood type is. But the thing is about that is that very few people in the population are actually non-secreters, so it, you know, brings down the pool a little bit.

So they're like the X-men. Kind of. But it's also like, I thought it was to test her blood type by like touching the electrical current of the blood like in the thing, and it pops out as a monster. That could work. So, as Yolanda Washington was,

a black prostitute, by far, the least dead type of person in America as far as the media is concerned, her death went largely unnoticed by Los Angeles at large. She pretty much merited the same amount of news coverage as, you know, a robbery in the police blotter. Just a couple of lines, no one gave a shit. Oh, when the mayor farts at a restaurant.

That's big news. That's actually huge news, but a black prostitute, nah, they don't really cover that. Yeah. Now, it was only the nature of the murder that got police interested. Specifically, Detective Frank Salerno, who almost 10 years later would also work

the Richard Ramirez case, which is very interesting. He would also be one of the key figures in the Hillside Strangler investigation. Probably one of the best slash worst men to get drunk in a bar with. No, I was just gonna say the best. Without a doubt, every time you speak to someone who is in law enforcement, you really want to get

those gritty, disgusting stories, the majority of the stories are just like, yeah, it turns, I was actually just a traffic cop. You know, it's like really boring. But this guy, my god, two serial killers in one detective career, he's a superstar. He had a collection of books, and just happened to be, he used one of his feet as a bookmarks

in one of his books. When time to sergeant, bet me $10, I couldn't have 20 donuts in 10 minutes, and I did. Good story, man, thanks. Now, if you'll remember from the end of the last episode, Kim Bianchi, soon after moving out of Angelo's place, shacked up with a woman named Kelly Boyd,

and not surprisingly, things were not going well. It seemed like he'd be a responsive boyfriend, lover, and husband, though. Well, he was gentle, he was loving, but he was extremely immature. He was essentially a child, takes no responsibility for anything. Nothing is ever her fault.

Nothing is ever his fault. And while a lot of the complaints were small things, like he'd never fill up the gas tank in the car, or he'd forget to turn off the lights when he left the house, her biggest concern was the fact that Kim would call out sick to work all the time to go, quote-unquote, play cards with Angelo over at his upholstery shop.

Oh, but playing cards is actually code for going out and murdering a bunch of women. Yes. Yeah, yeah, that's what he always said. And she always said, no, I don't want to go play. He's like, why don't you come and play cards, huh? Why don't you come on out? And she said, she's like, no, Angelo Bono,

I hate that guy, because she could, of course, feel his intense hatred for all women. I mean, I think that's a really wonderful technique of four boyfriends to use when they know they want to do something their girlfriend hates, just invite her, because you know she's going to say no, and then when you're walking out the door, she'll be like, don't pretend like I didn't invite you, okay.

So it's a really, it's a great trick. Also, I thought of that Angelo Bono has a very bad lisp. He had a very bad speech impediment. So I imagine when, before, I like, when she first meets Bono, and he's just like, look at me, don't, hey, look, you see this thing go right here? This thing go right here, it's a point, now dude, the fuck with me.

It's my finger and finger. I don't know what it is with people that have speech impediments, but they turn out to be dangerous so many times. They just have a, they've got a, they have an inferiority complex. Well, they have something to overcome, and most of the time, especially with speech impediments,

in order to overcome it, you have to talk a bunch, so then they become politicians, or they become some just crazed lunatic. James Earl Jones. James Earl Jones. I love him. I've heard he's killed two girls. Isn't that something?

James Earl Jones killed two girls before the age of 20, and then the government covered it up because they knew how melodious his voice would become. His speech pathologist. They were a part of it. The conspiracy. We cannot confirm, we cannot confirm that James

Earl Jones killed two girls. We cannot confirm it. So when Kelly became pregnant in the summer of 1977, things got even worse. Around the time of Yolanda Washington's murder, Ken and Kelly went to go see

Pete's Dragon, the 1977 Don Bluth classic. And Ken, in the words of author Ted Schwartz, delighted in the animated fantasy and had been anxious to see it. Isn't it classic? Don Bluth, he's great.

You ever seen it? It's good. It's part of the late 70's orphan girl movie series. Yeah, it's got red buttons in it. Yeah, everybody loves red buttons. Back when you didn't have to have a real name when you joined Hollywood, you just said

the first thing that you saw. Technically, his first name was, his original name was Sheetolf Hitler. Oh, I see. Bad for entertainment. Then he went with Golden Eagle, then he changed it to red button. So about halfway through the movie,

it was a very difficult pregnancy. Left the theater to go be sick, but Ken, unwavering in his fandom, made her wait in the car as he saw the Don Bluth classic to the end. Now, like a fight on the street corner, you can only see it once there wasn't Netflix, there wasn't even DVDs back then.

If you're in the movie theater, you walk out, you're not seeing that again for a year. Whether it's Pete's Dragon or you're killing a girl in the street, the 70's were a wonderful time to be alive. So, Kelly moved in and out of Bianchi's life many times

during the next few months, but Ken, like many other serial killers, for reasons unknown, had a penchant for poetry and was always able to woo her back. You know why it's because, again, very similar to BTK, very interesting that that is a tidbit in there,

and he is a pussy, weirdo piece of shit. Yeah, I mean, I guess. I wrote poetry a lot when I was younger. Yeah, me too. And I've written poetry. I've had moments of softness. I felt love in my heart.

I've seen a beautiful crimson sunset and have thought, is my life not the same as that sunset? Beautiful yet too short to be captured. Do you recall any of the poems that you wrote or the subject matter?

Oh, God, I did write a poem about Holden's parents' house in college where I smoked a bunch of weed and I went up there and I fucking wrote this poem about the rich man's house, right? And then I showed it to Holden and he's just like, that's my fucking house. Like, I'm the bad rich man.

I'm the bad rich boy. Holden McNeely from the round table of gentlemen. So Ken's marriage, not going all that great, but at the same time, his and Bono's murder spree was just beginning. On Halloween night, 1977,

there picked up 15-year-old Judy Miller on Hollywood Boulevard in the area well known for prostitution. Still is. It's disgusting over there. In a gimmick they would use again and again, Bono and Bianchi told Judy Miller

that she was under arrest. They handcuffed her, they shoved her into the back seat of their car and drove her to Bono's upholstery shop where they raped and murdered her. Cops found her the next day naked in a flower bed in La Crescenta.

And while the LAPD had been hoping that the Washington murder was an isolated incident, the manor in which Judy was killed along with the presence of non-secretar Seaman along with normal Seaman told him that the murders were linked. I can't believe we got this Cyclops Seaman again.

God damn it, what are we going to do? Better call Xavier's school for exemplary children. They got a rapist in there. Yeah, if the X-Men start doing those things we'll never beat them. One week before this murder Ken and Kelly, they were actually

in one of their good periods. They had attended a costume party at Circus Maximus, a gay bar where straight couples in the 70s went to get a little weird. The couple drank and danced the night away wearing matching costumes and enjoying the quote-unquote

floor show, although I was not able to get any confirmation on what that floor show actually was. Ladies and gentlemen, we've got Sean Medazel, he's dressed as Donald Duck and he's trying to suck his own dick. The hardest part

is getting past the beak. Now despite the good times the killings continued six days after Judy Miller's death when the naked body of Lisa Casten was found by a jogger near a country club in Glendale and even though it was outside of the jurisdiction

of the first two murders, Detective Frank Salerno insisted on coming to the crime scene to check it out. Frank, I just wish once you'd stay for one dinner, just please just stay as we got the dinner and then when they got the ballet recital, do you have to go to every murder

in Los Angeles? I love this guy. They need me! You just got a fucking like police siren hat. I don't need a car. I got police siren, Frank. That's great. But I'm not too drunk to run.

Now when the ligature marks around the neck and the handcuff wounds around the ankles and wrists were found, Salerno knew that he had a serial killer on his hands. But unlike a lot of other serial cases, the LAPD they really did try their best on this one. Like, Bono

had been extremely careful in scrubbing all the bodies clean of any evidence that could lead the cops back to him. The only thing the cops had really was the semen, which in 1977 didn't amount to a whole lot. There was no real DNA. You could say like, okay, this

semen hat is like type A. Our perpetrator, our suspect has blood type A, but it's inconclusive, it's not going to hold up in court. And the other thing that they had was a small piece of cotton from a cloth that was used on one of the victims. And they had one sergeant who had

an amazing sense of taste buds and he could lick semen. And he could tell exactly what time it got there. And he fought him and fought him and fought him. He was a detective, he could lick any substance, he could lick a thing of soda and definitely tell you it wasn't semen.

He could lick a pile of honey and tell you, oh, that's not semen. He was also, a lot of times, he did floor shows. Oh, isn't that right? Yeah, he said he had this pension for dressing characters and doing fun floors. That's suckin' his own, that's semen.

That is semen, I made it myself. I believe that this is also the victim that was found that a neighbor had to cover with a tarp because it was in the middle, right next to a playground where a bunch of kids are running around and they just went like, um... Sorry, I hope

you go to heaven and just put the tarp over. Yeah, just treat it like a canoe. Throw a tarp over it when you're not using it. Now, the best that the cops could do was plot out a map of each of the murder sites, draw circles around each site and ascertain a specific

area that they believed the killers were picking up victims and increasing the police presence in Sid error, and this is very interesting when Bianchi and Bono were caught, cops found that Bono's house was almost exactly at the center. This is the detective work

that kids fantasize about. Yes. This is, they're actually doing old school, I almost feel bad for detectives these days because they just get a bunch of samples, they just give it to the lab and the lab returns the information they need. These guys were doing the old school McConaughey stuff for a true detective.

Yeah, they said that when they eventually formed the task force, which task force had about 85 guys on it, all they really had was like an old timey computer. The computer was what they really used to like get all these formulas for all the vectors, and what they had, they said that the walls of this

office were covered in diagrams, they were covered in maps, they were covered in different theories. It really was old school detective work. It's really cool, it's like a movie. Yeah, it is. It was very much like a movie. I would also like to see HGTV send somebody in there and just redo those walls.

And they're like, what did you do? No! You don't like, you don't like lollipop purple? Months of police investigation. Yeah, but it was so depressing. Yeah, just throw all that out, the maps, they're disgusting. You know what is interesting now, with the room changed around, with the Feng Shui in here, I feel much lighter.

But unfortunately, even with all the increased police presence, it wouldn't be enough for the stranglers, would strike again two more times before the murders would make headlines all over the world. And on November 20th, Bianchi and Bono made their most audacious move yet,

abducting and killing 12-year-old Dolly and 14-year-old Sonya Johnson. Because the prostitutes weren't giving them the same thrill that they had experienced in the beginning. They needed to feel more power. They needed to feel more control. They needed to up the ante. So they

started killing what they call quote-unquote respectable girls. Well, I believe that was Bianchi's decision in order to change a type of women they were going after. But according to Bianchi, after the fact, when he was starting really spilling his guts and fucking telling every single thing that he knew, like

one month after he was arrested, he is very deeply ashamed of these two murders. They were really the only ones that he wouldn't talk about. Once, I think it might have been like a bridge too far. Because this is Bono's, I think sometimes Bono would take the driver's seat

and Bono was the real sadist of the two. I mean, Bianchi liked to kill and would often be the dude that did the final killing. He would slowly strangle them. That's a part of where he was very ashamed in order to be TK. But this is Bono's choice.

Yeah, Bono, well, we already know, he liked little, he liked fucking young, young, young girls. Yeah, he liked pre-teens, he loved girls like this, so I think he was like, hey, let's try it out. You'll like it. I think it's because they were the only girls when it was consensual who thought he was good at sex.

And that's, it's also, you know, like whenever you're in eighth grade dance, sometimes the girls get to choose a song. And it's Bono's choice. How do you say his name? Bono. Like Sonny Bono. I know, but I see this Bono, Bueno. Yeah, it's spelled Bueno. You just got

racist eyeballs. But yeah, and he's Italian, he's not, he's not Latin. Alright, he's Bono. But with these higher profile victims came more witnesses. One boy had seen the two girls talking to a couple of guys in a dark

sedan and saw that they had gotten into the car willingly without any fuss whatsoever. What this meant was that the killers were almost certainly impersonating authority figures of fact that cops had suspected but hadn't yet confirmed. Yeah, you're just going to want to come with me, little girl.

Yeah, you know, we're, we're part of the fashion police. Yeah, and you dress like something from a 1974 and actually we got to get you back in an outfit that's more similar to something like 1977, you know what I'm saying? Girl, let's get in here. What kind of place? We're fashion police.

We're fashion police. We're fashion police. What's fashion? Fashion is a style of dress that goes on with many people dressing in a specific way and in different ways and it goes like this. Fashion!

I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Now this coupled with the fact that the bodies were free of evidence pointed to the possibility that it might have been a cop committing the murders. Now we hear the theory of the cop as killer quite a bit.

Even now, the ongoing Giglo Beach murders are suspected to be the work of a police officer because of the lack of evidence, the placement of the bodies. But from what I could find, I did a tiny bit of research on this. Only two American serial killers have been

cops. They were both former cops but most cop killers, most cop serial killers are overseas. There are a lot of them in Europe, there's a lot of them in Russia, a lot in China. Really, that's a very odd thing. Like here in America, what we have is

serial killer wannabe cops. Yes, absolutely. And they have a different view of what being a cop is. I think once you're a cop, you realize the amount of work you have to already do right? You're filling up paperwork. It's long hours, it's all this stuff. To be a serial killer,

you gotta be a real self-starter. And that means you're taking on a second full-time job as a cop to then also be a serial killer. And the essential nature of most cops are, hey, hey, hey, don't bother me. Now that I don't, now that I'm no longer a cop, I want to sit in a lawn chair with my feet

in a kiddie pool. I don't want to slam that cup of Miller lights and I just want to annoy my son who's constantly making cartoon voices. This is now about your father. This is about your father. So it does not count for all cops. But I do say American serial killers, it just takes a lot of work to be serial killers and they are

trying to be cops in their own way. They think that they can be bad. Absolutely. Nothing worse than someone too stupid to become a cop. Yeah, exactly. But who wants to be. Or too crazy. Yes. We see a lot of those guys that are just the cops. They just can't pass the psych test a lot of times. Because Kim Bianchi was not

dumb. He was just lazy and immature. He had an IQ of about, I think it was about 116, which is above average. Definitely not a dollar. There's a documentary that covered, that puts one of the footage. There's a documentary that releases some of the interview

he had for the Glendale Police Department and one of the, the reason why he didn't get it is because he sounds like a disingenuous piece of shit. Yeah. The clip that they played was Bianchi going like, you know what, I just want to be a cop because I love working with people and the cops.

What job gets to work with more people than cops? And it's like this fucking shitty jeopardy answer. Like he's a guest on Jeopardy. Like fuck you, you're not going to be a cop. Yeah, it's like McDonald's employees, they work with people all the time. Yeah, it really, that's a fast food answer. Or

a retail answer. You know what, I just love working with people. That's not why you become a cop. My biggest flaw is that I work too hard and my bar for excellence is too hot. Right. Yeah, I mean, as far as Kim Bianchi went wanting to be

a cop, he was said to never miss an episode of chips. Or strangely, eight is enough. But sadly for him, ten was enough. Yeah. The number of people that killed him. Very good. And speaking of what Kim did at home, things were

quickly disintegrating between him and Kelly. So Kim, using skills he had gained in childhood, came up with a scheme to keep her around without having to do anything to actually better himself. Work smarter, not harder. At the end of November, Kelly

decided that she wanted a couple of kittens. Aw. Yeah, she was an animal lover, you know. But within a few days of bringing him home, Kim had developed a nasty cough and claimed that he had trouble breathing. After a trip to the clinic to test for allergies, he returned with the bad news that during

an x-ray, the doctors had discovered a mass on his lungs and he'd need to undergo a biopsy. Oh my God, that's horrible. I mean, sometimes cancer kills the bad ones, too. Now, on the day of the biopsy, Kim came home late saying he was so

distraught from the results that he had to go, quote-unquote, play cards with Angelo to calm himself down. I wish you'd stopped doing the air quotes when you said play cards, Kenny, because it's really bothering me. What game could you possibly play with just one other man

constantly? War? What card game could they even be playing? That's true. There is no other friend. If you do it, they toss cards in a hat like they're in prison. I don't know. Okay. Ken said that the tumor was malignant and there was a good chance that he was

going to die. There's a good chance I'm going to die, so I'm going to go play some cards. Don't say I didn't invite you to play cards. He told her that he'd need to start treatment right away, but even though he'd need rides to the hospital, he didn't want to bother with all that

chemo kerfuffle so she could just be pregnant in a hot car until she was done. It just sounds like he's in the middle of a Broadway farce and he's constantly making up shitty lies to get himself into humorous circumstances. He is. He is. Yeah, the only thing

was, Ken, of course, he didn't have cancer. No! So every time Kelly would take him for his treatments, he'd just spend hours wandering around the hospital. Okay, but this is what's so bizarre to me about people who are criminals. It's ironically more difficult

to do this. Much more difficult. You just broke up with your wife. You broke up with your wife and you could go play cards all day long. Also, what are the nurses thinking when the man is just wandering for four or five hours? What are you here for? She's like, oh, I love this

French bread pizza. Aw, yeah, I like this French bread pizza. I gave this place five stars on Yelp. I can't quit this place like those two gay cowboys couldn't quit having sex with each other. And I said that out loud. I'm sitting out loud

here in the middle of the hospital cafeteria. There's a time traveler there who didn't know about Brookback Mountain, which 1977 hadn't come out yet for twenty years. Can I smoke in here? In 1977, you could. Here you go. I'm a doctor. These cigarettes are great for you.

So after he'd wander around for a few hours, he'd return to the car. He'd say he was nauseous and he used this excuse to skip work as much as he could, but he told Kelly that he could never let anyone at work know

that he was sick with cancer because, as Ken said, cancer isn't contagious, but a lot of people think it is. So I can't tell people work. I can't because they think they're going to catch cancer from me. What is Kelly doing? I feel so bad for her. She is pregnant in a living hell

having to deal with this manipulative liar on a daily basis. She's a hero. I mean, as far as she, I mean, she left and came back a ton of times. And as far as she knew, she was just dealing with the guy that, yeah, she loved. Yes, he was very gentle. He treated her. He treated

her pretty good. Well, fine. Yeah, he treated her fine, but he was just an immature dickhead. She didn't know that he was lying this whole time. Like, she had no, like, she fell for the cancer thing, hook, line, and sinker. And, you know, it's 1977. You know, now we're in the information

age. People talk about this stuff a lot more. We're on Facebook. We have to hear people talk about their chemo treatments constantly. We have to hear them talk about their chemo treatment. But back then, you know, these sorts of things are much more, they're a lot more

mysterious. You also watch your husband go walk in and out of the hospital after several hours to think that he's lying about it would mean then you now know that he is a total psychopath. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, because it's, it's true, you're just

dealing with, but how many times have you met, like, somebody's boyfriend, like, a friend of a friend's boyfriend that's like this guy that he just shows up and he's like, hey, how are you? Hey, buddy, good around. You know what? I got to go. I got to go. I'm going to airplane school. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to be a pilot. Oh, yeah, don't

worry. No, I know it's 11 o'clock at night, but I'm going to airplane school. Yeah, all right, got to go from room to room, see in the skies or hope I don't because technically I got a D last week. You know what I mean? Or I'll see you. Yeah, it's someone that a shirt Yeah, it's someone

when you're in a relationship with like she was just blinded and only that she's pregnant too. Right. You know, she's got a child on the way. If this thing is alive and everything is a lie and, you know, the capacity for, you know, self-deception and people, especially in these

sorts of relationships is astronomically high. But meanwhile, Ken and Angelo's killing spree continued unabated on the same day that the youngest victims were found, police discovered another victim of the stranglers, that of 20-year-old

Christina Wexler. They found three bodies in one day because Ken and Angelo they went straight from prostitutes and just said, alright we're gonna fucking do this we're gonna go for the high profile cases and, you know, and when you, you know

Christina Wexler, she was an art student she actually knew and had rejected Kim Bianchi. It was almost like Bono was like, alright we're gonna kill the girls. And Bianchi was like yeah, but I also want to kill this woman too. And it's almost like they traded off on the same night. Like

they almost couldn't decide they were gonna up the Annie, but they couldn't decide which one, how they were gonna up it so they just did both. But it sounds like they had their picks. The way Bianchi, we talk about him and Bono is that they had open discussion, but eventually it just turned into, do you want to go out tonight?

And then I think it depended on who where they ended up. Bianchi had picked this woman out. And the same thing was gonna be a woman that he lived across the street from that he had picked out to murder. Essentially, they were a pretty girl that immediately read him as a creep and was like, no, you have a wife

and a child on the way. I don't want to fuck you. And he was like oh, now we're gonna kill her. Yeah, yeah, yeah she rejected him. So late one night Ken knocked on Christina's door and after a quick hey, how are you? Remember me? No way. Don't close the door. Ken told her that he had since

the last time he saw her become a member of the Sheriff's Reserve. And he had been dispatched to let her know that her car had been smashed up down in the parking lot. And in the first of two consecutive actual forced kidnappings, Ken and Angelo shoved her into the car, drove her to the

upholstery shop and committed possibly their most sickening and torturous murder of all. This one was personal. All the rest of the women, they didn't know. But because Ken knew this woman because this woman had rejected him this one got even

worse than all the rest. After injecting her with cleaning supplies Ken tied a bag around her head and filled it with gas from an unconnected pipe, slowly asphyxiating her for an hour and a half before she finally died. Uh, and then we also

of course, Bianchi decides to throw Bono under the bus in his police interview with this quote. Bono suggested that he said how about just inject an air into her? The air bubble would probably kill her. And I said oh, you want to try something different? Whatever. Jesus.

Yeah, brutal. Yeah, these people are absolute monsters. This is one of the stories too. I don't like to always scare the listener, but I think that it's important to remember. Sometimes the guy that comes off as a creep, the guy that does that has kind of got that weird like glint in his eye that seems really threatening, but

you don't know why and you kind of trust your gut and you just kind of say like, no, I don't want to do anything do that guy. Sometimes there's a reason and sometimes you should really pay attention to that. Totally. Yeah, you really should trust your instincts on that sort of thing, especially when the guy comes, because when this woman first met

him, he came to her as just a creep. The second time he came around, he came as an authority figure. So watch out for those guys. Alright, watch out for him. Unless he brings you flowers. In which case all is forgiven. If he throws in chocolate, let's go with him anywhere. Now the last victim of the November killing spree

was Lauren Wagner, found on November 29th. Now the Wagner murder also produced a promising lead. A woman named Bula Stofer, known as a bit of a busy body in the neighborhood. No wonder. Someone named Bula was a bit of a busy body? She had

actually seen an argument between Lauren and two men before she was bundled into a large dark sedan screaming you won't get away with this. Better ignore that. Slowly closes the curtain. Yeah, yeah, and we've seen busy bodies. I mean, son of Sam, he got caught

because of a busy body. I'm gonna say that this term busy body shouldn't necessarily be negative. Maybe they're just detective neighbors. The problem is that detective neighbors 95% of the time are massive pains in the ass. Did you see Tammy put on like seven pounds? I'm not gonna say that she's getting

slapped, but maybe she's pregnant. I have no idea about her boyfriend's black. Did you notice her boyfriend was black? You've been chaining your bite to the front of the house and I'm gonna call the police and have them take your bike away. Bula described one of the assailants as an older

quote unquote Latin looking gentleman with bushy hair while the other was taller and younger with acne scars on his neck. Soon after her report she received a call from a man with an east coast accent telling her she was as good as dead

if she didn't keep her mouth shut. Which is the same thing they did with the lawyer that tried to take, they took away their first prostitute from their stable. Yeah, but that got him the that got the shit beat out of him by a bunch of Hells Angels. Yeah, but an old lady named Bula Sofer doesn't have that resource.

Unless she was connected to the Hells Angels for being their busy body. Every Hells Angels needs one busy body to tell them where they saw the police last. In just three weeks, seven women have been left naked and brutally murdered on the Hells

sides of Los Angeles. Quite a few even by Los Angeles standards. Yeah, quite a few by Brazil standards. Quite a few by Mexican standards. All standards. Yeah, I mean, well, LA at this time, you know, LA had seen a lot of serial murder at this point.

Seven in a, what was this, in one month? No, seven in three weeks. Seven in three weeks, that's a lot. I wanted to bring this up. Where does this fit in the timeline of Son of Sam John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy? Son of Sam, it's the same year, 1977. So it's really interesting because you could see them pick

up in the police work even just from, because Son of Sam was a really good job, they did a really good job piecing that case together too. You could see how it's that sad thing of they're getting good at investigating serial killer crimes by this point. Yeah, they're having to. This is around, I mean, the late 70s,

like the late 70s, this is around the time of Gacy as well. Gacy wasn't quite caught yet. I think Gacy got caught when it was 78. Yeah. Either 78 or 79. But the late 70s, I mean, it's like punk music. Yes, it was on the radio. Oh my god, wham! Girls were wearing

bras. Dude, it's fucking the Ramones and Gacy. Man, I mean, oh, welcome back. Cotter was on the air and everybody had the hairstyle. But you do want, like, what is it? Is it because transit has become so much easier, the highway system's improved? I mean, it seems like the phenomenon of a serial

killer is tied with technology. You can't just kill everyone in your village. They're gonna get out, they're gonna catch on to you. Well, one of the theories out there, which actually makes a lot of sense to me, it does have something to do with transit, but it has more to do with pollution, lead poisoning. Oh, yes, yes. But around this

time, you had the switchover from leaded fuel to unleaded fuel. And a lot of people say that, you know, lead poisoning essentially makes you more violent. It removes a lot of emotions that keeps you from doing these things, because in the late... Are they licking the damn oil

pumps like a dog? It's literally in the air. It's literally in the air. It's exhaust. Because America in the late 1970s, it wasn't just serial killers. Crime was, you can't even imagine how bad crime was in the late 70s all across America.

I know it's also probably psychic ripples from the MK Ultra experiments. Yeah, I also sort of believe that as well. I blame the Rolling Stones for their satanic music. With their gyrating and their bulges? That's why they should have never put Elvis on Ed Sullivan. Look what's happening now.

Oh man, the gin is starting to come through your neck and onto your jacket. Sorry about the gin. That's just called male sweat. Much like the Boston Police Department had to deal with in their own Strangler case about a decade before, the LAPD

was besieged by people who thought they knew the identity of the Strangler. And as in Boston, people were not above suspecting their own spouse. One woman called in saying that she had been woken up at two in the morning with a hanker chief stuffed in her mouth and her husband's

hands on her shoulders, shaking her violently. She was having a seizure and he saved her life. No, the woman only married to her husband for a couple of months thought that she had unwittingly married an eight-time killer. But just a few minutes later

the woman called back and said this to the police. It's alright. My husband is not the Strangler. He played a tape recording he made before he put the hanker chief in my mouth. I snore. I didn't know it and he said he put up with it for months and he said it's

like being in the middle of a rock bands amplifier and I can know what I think he's right. He wasn't trying to hurt me. He just couldn't stand it anymore and I've got an appointment with the nose doctor and I'm sorry. That's so funny. That's word for word.

It was word for word the police report. Poor woman whose husband just couldn't I get it. My girlfriend snores like a mother fucker. But you just nudge her. Yeah I just nudge her. You got to just hit her with the elbow a little bit. That's the thing though. You nudge her

but you got to wake up to nudge her. You can't just nudge her in your sleep. You got to wake up to nudge her. Then after you wake up to nudge her after the third or fourth time you're like I got to sleep. I got to sleep. I got a show to record. I got a lot of research to do tomorrow. But I can't do it because she started so much. But I got some

of your plugs on the way. That's good because she's going to wake up. She's going to see you in the corner in the bed. Like you're watching me and Randy Savage with the elbow dropper. I mean good god. What you do is you just quickly grab. You grab the butt. Right. You slip one hand and then you like oh I love you. I love you. And then flip

her to the side. You just twist her to the side. A quick flip. Yeah. Good work. Yeah real quick flip. Maybe I could do that. I'll try that next time. She's a real heavy sleeper. That's great. She won't know. Good good. Now a little over two weeks after the Lauren Wagner murder on December 15th

17 year old Kimberly Martin was dispatched by the climax nude modeling service to the Tamarin terrace apartments in Hollywood. Classy. Yeah real classy. Also we were trying to say to a couple of the police what Frank Salerno was saying

on one of the documentaries I was watching is that you notice a lot of spikes in their activity during times when Ken Bianchi's wife was going through really hard times with her pregnancy as it apparently during Thanksgiving a week. The reason why that activity was so high is that she was so nauseous

from the pregnancy that they couldn't have sex. So when she needed him most, he was just going to play cards. Yeah absolutely. Now a lot of working girls in L.A. 1977 Kimberly included thought they would be relatively

safe working with an agency but no woman of the night would be safe from Bianchi and Bono. When Kimberly arrived she found a vacant apartment with Bianchi and Bono waiting inside and then another display of control and contempt

after they raped and murdered her the killers dumped her body on Alvarado Street just with insight of City Hall and that is these guys are starting to form schemes. Like before it was just like

alright we'll trick her we'll get into the car but now it's these big elaborate schemes to see what they can get away with and dumping it right in front of City Hall even in the middle of the night. Like that is ballsy because that's showing control the control is starting to get larger they're starting not only do they want control

of the women now they want control over the city especially now because after November is when you know the news media gets ahold of it that's when the name the hillside strangler comes out and Bianchi is loving it. Right it's contempt they get to really do it now they get to really that's where the call pans

ram part of their psychic relationship comes out where they're like now we're going to take control of this whole city and we're going to make everybody scared. Yeah and it was more Bianchi than Bono that really wanted this stuff. It's very interesting because I think a lot of times because we're you're going to in their

relationship Bianchi would just say you want to go out tonight and Bono say yes it's like what is Bono doing it's like it's so weird it's like he's got nothing better to do except for there's a two month after this murder there's a two month period where they don't work they don't do any kills at all until

February and apparently it was because Bono's mother was sick which is this fucked up Italian thing that's just like kind of like in goodfellas and these mobster shit where it's like he does all this fucked up shit all day long he's a serial killer he's raped and murdered

girls but he's got to go sit with his fucking mother and hold her hands when she's dying in fucking bed. Yeah the mother that he refers to every day as the cunt. What is even who are you? I'm gonna say that I like his mom yeah because she

at least saved how many women just by getting sick literally 16 took one for the team 16 women in those two months yeah I had his mother not become sick and you do wonder if it's one of those bizarre situations had she not become sick who would have died yeah and it's also

could possibly be that it coincided that maybe Kelly's pregnancy went alright for those two months because that Bianchi didn't go out on as far as we know he could kill but the disposal of the bodies on the hillside that took two people he couldn't dispose of the bodies himself

he also didn't have the guts he just was he was just a piece of shit I don't know I don't think I think he probably killed during this time I think he probably murdered at least a couple of women but he just left them where they lay like I don't think he actually disposed of the bodies in the same way because

that's what it was that beyond or bono was the brains behind the operation but it seemed like they really worked as a team I don't know if he would kill on his own at all I did eventually he did kill on his own because he got so desperate no back to the tamarin department murders now while you would think

a murder with this many moving parts would produce more clues when police check phone records they found the call had been made from a public library the only clue the cops had was a report of a man with bushy hair harassing women in the library the evening of the call

a description that matched that of Lauren Wagner's abductor they also there is a transcript of the call in this book I'm reading right now called serial killers up close and personal and one of the the bits he did it there's a he struggles to come up with a fake name because he calls the service

and they're like they're like so where are you gonna go it's just like we're gonna meet you here and they're like is this phone number a payphone is this a payphone number and he's like it's my apartment can't you hear the television it was just people talking to the background and they're like okay well what's your name and he's like um do I have to give a name

and they're like yeah you have to give a name absolutely you have to at least give some some sort of name because he's like all right you sure I have to give a name and it's like yeah you got to give a name and he's like um uh um Michael mmm Ryan

and his name he gave the fake name Michael Ryan but literally it took him just being like first of all it's two first names but that's actually not too bad Michael Ryan I was thinking like Lover Yellowfinger my name is uh uh Rupert Merdunk Merdunk I own um

John Travolta oh John Travolta oh you're just curious it's the real John Travolta wow now bereft of leads the cops started canvassing the entire building

where the girl had originally been sent to by her agency and who should they find but a very helpful nice young man named Kenneth Bianchi the cops would later say that they were suspicious of almost every other man they encountered in that building

except Ken Bianchi who is sympathetic to the plight of the police how much work they had put into the case and it ensured them that had he been there that night and had he heard screams you better believe he had done something also he had participated in a ride around program with the

police around this time so what they were trying to do is because the police were being named in all of these serial killer attempts and women were afraid to be uh pulled over by cops they weren't stopping because they heard the serial killer may be a cop and so they were doing these ride along programs

and Ken Bianchi went on one of the ride alongs and asked all these questions about the hillside strangler and it's like again like a Kemper doing the same thing butting up with the cops and they just fucking bought it they're like there's no way a bushy-haired man with a full mustache like that would ever defy the police

that's why cops are much meaner now than they used to be they have to be especially if you want to be a cop's friend nothing to me is more suspicious than a guy going up to a guy who's dressed as a cop in a bar just going like hey so this murder is gone

now the only woman that we know of to survive an encounter with the hillside stranglers was a woman named Catherine Laurie attempting to bring back their police with badges ruse one more time the two stopped Catherine quote-unquote arrested her

and shoved her in the back of their car but when they checked Catherine's possessions they found a picture of her sitting on the lap of famed movie actor Peter Laurie who played child murderer Hans Beckert in the infamous Fritz Lang serial killer

movie M among many other wonderful roles check out him it's a beautiful movie okay he did save her life he did I mean it's amazing by being professionally creepy yeah but yeah luckily for Catherine who was in fact Peter Laurie's daughter Bianchi and Bono were

big cost of block of fans that was like a time I got pulled over for jaywalking in Glendale which is true and the guy was just like so what do you do that was like it's like you know the guy was fill out the ticket it's like so what do you do it's a job I was like I'm an actor it's like I'll show you working on it's like I'm on a show

called A to Z and he's just like my wife loves A to Z get out of here get out of here that's amazing you wonder if Bianchi and Bono were just like man I love LA you know sometimes it's like being a serial killer anywhere else you just don't get the stars that you get here businessman next to con

and next to movie stars Hollywood is the blood of America wow yeah they just let her go without incident and it wasn't until they were caught Bianchi and Bono were caught that she and she saw their pictures on the news that she came forward

she actually testified in their trial because she was one of the only survivors of this whole thing and it was creepy enough where it's stuck in her head she remembered it's stuck in her head she saw it she knew as soon as they put the handcuffs on her it was like

oh this isn't real this oh I fucked up yeah yeah damn yeah oh man so bad Cindy Hudspeth on the other hand would not be so lucky killed on February 16th 1978 Cindy's body was found stuffed in the trunk of her own car

which was found halfway down a cliff off the crest highway and now while I don't know this for sure because the timelines are a little muddled Cindy was killed either the day of or soon before the birth of Kim

Bianchi's only son because the birth had been difficult Ken he had been ordered to leave the delivery room I guess I gotta go play cards gotta go yeah he went back to Angelo's upholstery shop where Cindy Hudspeth was picking out a new interior for her

car and as far as I can tell they overpowered her raped her murdered her dumped her body and then Ken returned to the hospital to hold his newborn son for the first time and now is this the same hospital that he would just pace for

four or five hours I hope not I wonder yeah because eventually they'd be like hey weren't you supposed to die of cancer months ago but apparently this murder this is the murder that led to them breaking up and the reason why this that was put in and it sees that the weird the uneven power

dynamic between Bianchi and Bruno is that she walked into that upholstery shop she saw Cindy and Kenny in the middle while Bruno is like running a line and everybody's also doing business he pulls Bruno aside he's like let's do we're right now and he's just like you're being

crazy don't do no we're not doing this right now Ken took her by the neck like literally went and grabbed her ahead of Bruno and threw her into the office and said like you know be calm nothing's gonna happen to you or and then Bruno like then jumps in but afterwards literally Bruno is like you're fucking

crazy you're doing this bad we're just like you don't know how to do this anymore we're done and then they broke up huh yeah look at that and the hillside strangler murders stopped as suddenly as they started and it would be a year and a half before anyone would have any

questions answered about these murders we'll get to on episode three they kind of broke up like Motley Crue Nicky 6 and what's the name of the drummer Tommy Lee's Tommy Lee's his ego got big

with his dog with his rotating fucking drum set he can't even sit in it oh my goodness Vince Neil says I'm the lead singer you're supposed to be the hot one you're the drummer get in line oh but Vince Neil got fat quick oh so fat his sex tape was pathetic

oh I forgot he had a sex tape it's just bouncing on the bed it's worse than Hogan's the only one that Tommy Lee was good at it Tommy Lee's sex tape Tommy Lee's sex tape was the first clip that I ever downloaded from the internet the first video clip

Pamela Anderson gave him a blowy on a boat the first thing you downloaded from the internet was a Rosetta Stone to learn in a foreign language it was a porto interesting internet this was 1996 1997 so it took about 12 hours also Tila Tequila

was really born for the sex tape yeah and you know what people talk shit about her but Kim Kardashian's was just alright with me yes I thought you were gonna say Tila Tequila you can talk shit about Tila Tequila she's a neo-nazi well you know she's got a lot of different ideas she has oh my goodness

yeah alright well wow so that's the end of the murder spree for the hillside stranglers terrible human beings but I guess we have the birth of a child so life is new Sean his name is Sean

Sean hillside strangler I'm sure his life is great right now Sean Boyd I think he probably took his mother's name I would assume I hope he changed it yeah Sean Bianchi's a terrible name that sounds bad actually he's a motor cross performer but not if you're the son of a serial killer

who would now be only what around our age 37 or so yeah he'd be my brother's age yeah born in 1978 let's find him probably could Facebook I know he's gotta be he'd be an Aquarius wow

weird weird to think about the children of these people it really is I would love to interview some of them at some point well there's a great interview with BTK's daughter it's very very sad it's extremely sad yeah I don't think they would like our jokes at all if we did interview them we would have to do

very Charlie Rose very straight so uh like do you Henry no okay alright interview's over he hung up he's fucked up on the first one I don't know I do it I don't you don't say the R word

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