Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 238: The Menendez Brothers Part II - White Trash With Money

Episode Date: August 31, 2016

The story of the Menendez brothers comes to an end with their inevitable capture and the ensuing trial that captured the attention of the nation.

Everyone don't forget that this Friday September 2nd at 7 30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time is the fourth episode of the last stream on the left Remember the more you guys that watch live the more it helps us out Just go to adultswim.com slash stream at 7 30 p.m. Eastern this Friday September 2nd. Now, please enjoy the Menendez brothers part 2 Yeah, baby, there's nothing sexier than two Cuban boys just rolling around each other like a couple of snakes with fucking sombreros on I don't mean to be racist. I just don't know. I don't believe that's part of the Cuban culture. They do have a ceremonial hat Every culture have a ceremonial the Cuban has that that nice brimmed hat that goes well with the cigar Yeah, yeah, yeah the cubano or or cubanos and cigars or the Che Guevara hat that makes you look like you're a socialist

That's a break. Yeah, that's if you that's how you say bray in Spanish We're in French Pancake hat. Yes, that's what they're called. All right. Welcome to the show. I am Ben Kittel. That's Marcus Parks with us As always, who is he? I am cultural ambassador Henry Zabrowski And the American I will say the American ceremonial hat is the beer helmet. Oh, it's exciting I was wishing I was hoping it was the Wisconsin cheesehead. No, no, no, no That's you cannot say that actually legally on the show because it's been branded by the Packers what I can say it Branding is big now. Oh my god. I own the cheese hat. No one else can have a cheese hat now because of your people

Oh, leave them alone. All right. Well, we are on part two of the Menendez brothers And I guess it just gets more disgusting from here. Definitely gets weirder from here It's a very funny story. Yeah, if you take out the object sessions It's a very funny story the two people deceased murdered by their children. They were pieces of shit I mean, they kind of had a comment. You can't really say that they I mean, you know, I will say I have a small inside source Our friend Dave who designed the many logos for cave comedy radio. His sister has a friend who grew up next to the Menendez Family and the mother used to give her a lot of orange juice So she was a good mom and she used to give a lot of orange juice to children

She's doing all this extra orange juice. What are they made out of money? Squeezing the oranges herself. I don't know. She was bored. So when we last left the Menendez brothers They had murdered their parents in cold blood and when the police arrived on the murder scene Eric and Lyle continued The histrionics that they had displayed previously in the 9-1-1 call Eric shut up Eric shut up. I'm on the phone Eric, I love that bit where he's going to shut up. I'm trying to Yeah, Elliot Rogers are these guys who is more obnoxious as a human being

Oh Elliot Rogers because of the YouTube channel. Yeah, can you imagine if the Menendez brothers did have YouTube? I don't think they would have killed their parents quite frankly I honestly think they would have had it. Their YouTube channel would have probably been somewhere in the two to three thousand range It would have been them talking about their watches and their natural v's that they got from constantly playing tennis. Yours are physical abuse Yeah, well those histrionics were so convincing that the detective on the scene didn't even check their hands for shotgun blast residue Which is pretty standard practice in cases like these assholes Yeah, because of course, you know when you have someone that comes on the scene You know, there's these two guys are the first ones that find the family of course

It's just you're just gonna check it for shotgun blast residue and if that detective would have done that then the Menendez brothers would have been Arrested immediately. Well, they apparently they went to a big extent to what we're gonna find out after they shot them They went to the guest house stripped off all their clothes and took showers first. I imagine together. Oh, yeah Well, you want to save water? Absolutely environmental of them and you want to do penis kisses You know you and your brothers, that's true. So the first indication that the cops had that something might be a little odd here Was when the brothers showed back up at the murder scene of their parents at 5 30 a.m. The next morning to see if they could go inside and get their tennis rackets Well, they wanted to play into some degree. This would probably make their father proud, you know

Yes, you go back to practice even if you blow my brains out with a shotgun you practice the next day Oh, hey, I guess any it would also be true. They're like we're grieving this right grief And I gotta say what it cuz it come down to I gotta work on my short game Yes, I also wish you remember those cannon Andra Agassi videos the the commercials were the picture Just want to see them shoot their parents and then spattered with blood playing with the rebel camera Yeah, great camera So two memorial services were held for Jose and Kitty one in Princeton, New Jersey where the family had lived previous and one in Los Angeles paid for by live entertainment to try to dispel all the mob connection rumors that were swirling around also

They made they just made a gigantic deal like right before Jose was murdered He was working on they had received the distribution rights of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon series And they were shipping out the VHS's So if you had gotten the season glue like the special highlight videos of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles back in the day in 1988 Yeah, you paid him money really I guarantee you that I did yeah, he was actually on television I saw a television interview with him where he had the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles tape Like it was the animated one. We all gave Jose Menendez money. We're complicit

I kind of love him now when they should have never shot his brains out But literally what he said he's like we here at live entertainment. Oh What we do every time is we we give it a B by the water they want they are Have you ever heard a Cuban? The Cuban is I just don't understand the difference I know that it's manual if you're from Spain you talk like this And Cuban is like that's getting there. Yeah, that's close. Yes. Well. Thank you the club What's the one with them when they got the saxophone to the clarinets Copacabana? Yep

Oh, so what we've got here is an interview that Eric did after one of these memorial services It's something that I've never seen my dad help us You know, I think that possibly a flower and I would have been home if we would have You know to do something about it Maybe my dad would be alive I Definitely would give my It's I would give that lie 6.4. Yeah, that's got he's got four Pinocchios on that one not good

So just three days after the murder the spending spree began in the first six months following their parents death Eric and Lyle spent around a million bucks of their dead father's money and about 700,000 of that was just in the first few weeks and to flaunt it even more they even drove around Los Angeles in their Dead mother's car. Nothing makes a girl wetter than seeing a guy driving around his dead mom's car. Oh, yeah That is really my mother's car right here. Oh, yeah, you like it My mom's warm bottom sometimes sat at this driver's seat and sometimes she sat in the passenger seat if I was driving her to the Pharmacy to get her medication. You know, Wendy. I never really liked Lyle before. I didn't think he was really hot But something about him has changed

You could still smell her bottom in. Oh, wow Of course these guys are spending all this money, but they had to do something with their lives eventually See Lyle had always dreamed of owning a restaurant. Everybody who wants to own a restaurant always says that I always wanted to have a restaurant. You have no clue how difficult it is to own a restaurant You are guaranteed to lose money in the first couple of years of owning the business And that's if you're a chef like a professional chef I mean Gordon Ramsay has to show up and your your restaurant is deemed a nightmare down and he fingers two or three or waiters They have to be immediately hushed up. Now that's the reality show Gordon Ramsay needs to have

Him going from waiters to waiters paying them off and the various things they have to do in order to earn the money for him To pay them so that they don't tell the media how we finger bang them like they were fucking Ventriloquist on it sold. Why don't we say this whenever we're going to pitch a show? Why are we pitching the show? I gotta be I it's called Gordon's Finger puppets. Yeah, Gordon Gordon's nasty chicken So yeah, well he had this whole restaurant dream So he went back to Princeton, New Jersey, and he tried to buy a pizza joint called Teresa's But he somehow managed to offend the owner in the process of buying the business and the owner refused to sell although

We have no idea what he actually did to offend the owner I imagine that he it's his entire demeanor. Yeah, like literally just show up me like excuse me I'm sorry. I would love to buy your pizza place, but my belt buckles too shiny. Actually. I'm I'm literally blinding myself Standing here turn these lights down. You're a bitch Probably went something like that well after he was refused at Teresa's Pizza He settled for a buffalo wing spot named Chucks Spring Street Cafe and renamed it more appropriately But idiotically because it destroyed the reputation Chucks had built over the years. He renamed it. Mr. Buffalo's That's ridiculous. I don't know. I actually I always end up signing with one of these sociopaths at some point

Mr. Buffalo's is a hell of a name. Mr. Buffalo's where are we coming here for all right Chucks? It sounds like we're going to this restaurant to buy vomit It's called Mr. Buffalo's because again, you treat a man named Buffalo with respect. You call him mr You have to they have a bucket of beer for seven bucks on Tuesdays. I mean, I love Mr. Buffalo My problem is you can't just be some rich boy from Beverly Hills who shows up decides decides to buy a buffalo chicken wing Fucking restaurant. You need to be named called you have to be like Rodney Yeah, and he's a perfect name for a restaurant. Yeah, so For Eric's part

Instead of buying a restaurant Eric continued on the path of the tennis player He hired a private coach for $60,000 a year and began to buy his way into professional tournaments Specifically tournaments in Israel interesting. I wonder why in Israel. Yeah, it is weird like we don't actually know why it was Israel Do they have like a pay-to-play system over there kind of thing? They're literally just buying their way into tournaments because he wasn't good enough No, and so I maybe and that's also so fucked up that that's how deep Jose's Programming got into him that he continued to keep this fucking lie alive like he was gonna be a professional tennis player Yeah, it is all it is all lies. Yeah, what money can allow people to to make believe it's all right

I was doing it is just fantastic what it can do for him. I can't wait whenever I get a lot of money I'm gonna tell everyone I'm 510. No, that's the truth now Yeah, you just walk around used to have like you're like Dwarf and you got sneakers on your knees Yeah, and they're like what's the weather up there? And I'd be like it's the same as where you are because I'm the same size as you you are you short man. Yes Well speaking of the money the boys of course never forgot about the Inheritance because at this point all this money they're spending this is just out of Jose's life insurance policy So the boys brought in two different quote-unquote

Computer experts to come in and wipe the hard drive of the family's computer Fearing that it might contain a different will that would either cut them out completely or Give even just a little bit of the money to somebody besides them because that's apparently one of the re one of the triggers that The reason why they killed Jose is because he was threatening threatening to cut them out of the will Yeah, exactly and one of the computer experts that came through and wiped the hard drive one of them said that the entire Experience just made his skin crawl and these are computer guys. They're they're creepier than anybody else. They're literally human snails So while Lyle knew how to keep his mouth shut It was just a part of Eric's personality to talk about every single detail of his life according to family members

And that would of course apply to the murders You mean an intention whore the two of them were both you they just love to talk about this crap They talk about like they just they couldn't keep their mouth shut. Eric was a born actor We just had everything but scale. He had all the bad Yes, what I mean, and I'm sure we'll get into it, but this whole time this whole spending spree I mean they have to have eyes all over them people have to be like this is a little suspicious The cops were trailing them because they were building the case against them They have pretty much knew that once you saw the nature of the crime and just saw how like because as they said it was obviously a

Murder of passion the boys first thing that came out and said the mob must have done it They had to have done it like no the mob normally will either take you out to like a weird location and put two in the back Of your head right roll you in a fucking tarp and hide the body They don't just bust in your house and blow you up like it's fucking okay corral. Yeah, obviously There's an emotional attachment to these crimes. Yeah, they make you a carpet burrito and they're also bad liars The Menendez brothers. Yeah, of course. Yeah, well the first confession came only 12 days after the murders when Eric made the confession We mentioned in the last episode to his screenwriting buddy Craig the two of them were playing chess Eric asked Craig very nonchalantly. You want to know how he did it?

He told Craig and then the two just went right back to play in chess If you're Craig the answer is no and then you slowly stand up and walk out of the room back Never hear a confession never hear confession and don't break eye contact. No, you know what? I'm good, but actually you want to go to mr. Buffalo Oh, it's got the shittiest wings, but at the same time the music's really loud. Yeah No, well, there was no way that Craig was gonna jump off the Menendez gravy train and turn them in the next confession That Eric made would be the one that would lead them straight to jail on Halloween 1989 about two months after the murders Eric showed up at the office of his and Lyle psychologist

L. Jerome Ozeal what it's really unfortunate that Eric showed up in his Halloween costume Which was a male version of Wonder Woman. Oh, that's how he puts it. He's like it's like wonder man I'm wonder man, but I still have the jaunty corset. I don't I just don't get it. I don't I'm wonder man I will kill you like I killed my parents. What? You're wonder man, you wonder man. Can I get a mulligan? Yeah, so yes, so he joined it with Ella actually by law if you do confess to a crime to a police officer You are allowed one more So yes, he was involved with their their therapist that was hand-picked by Jose in order to get all of the secrets that the boys had

From him. So basically this was a crooked Beverly Hills therapist that was easily Purchasable and it was already fucking three of his patients. Yeah, he was fucking three of his patients He eventually got his license pulled this guy was a real piece of shit He's like the dad from the hand that rocks the cradle. Do you remember that? And then Rebecca DeMorne had to go murderous whole family. I just remember her breasts in that. Oh my god That was one of the first times I ever realized I was straight Rebecca DeMorne. I was like I like that. I like it. I like that. She's got fleshy tops And she's got fleshy bottoms. It's also the only movie I've ever masturbated to with the word cradle in the title

Oh, thank god No, Ozeal said that on the day Eric confessed he showed up at the office Agitated depressed and suicidal after seeing photographs of the crime Do you have a closet that I could put my lasso of truth in? It's a lasso of truth. It makes people say the truth. So let me just put it over myself Interesting he asked Ozeal to take a walk and as they were about to go back into the office Eric leaned against a parking meter and said we did it. We did it. Of course. He leaned against a parking meter Dramatically such a douchey fucking way to confess to a murder grilling about the BBC documentary

Oh, we watched about the Menendez brothers, too Is that the guys like and this very block is the block that they walk and each block if you don't know Has four sides to it and a corner so around one of these corners Eric Menendez himself was contemplating the confession British love those details In the ensuing confession back in the office Eric told Ozeal that the two brothers had gotten the whole idea from a movie which ran on NBC just three weeks prior Called the billionaire boys club and which is also a wonderful Bukaki film If you want to check that out billionaire man's house is the sequel. Yes

These kids are really something special. Yeah, I mean unbelief. They would be possessed to murder from a made-for-TV movie Yeah, you are made. This was the perfect 90s crime. Yeah, because all the ins and outs It's so much fun. We're gonna see you like and this therapist is fucking Steve Brawl in the middle of this He's literally like a fucking what's his name with George from Seinfeld? It's like a character that would be played by him right napping underneath his desk Yeah, like a ludicrous human being that it's part of this Beverly Hills is the cesspool of America So the double murders that the brothers committed were almost a straight copycat of the plot of billionaire boys club even down To what they did after the murders the plot of the film involved a group of Beverly Hills teens who murdered two people

One of which was a billionaire boys father and in the movie one of the victims were shot in the back of the head Just like Jose had been the boys club used a movie as their alibi just as the brothers had and one of the billionaire boys had Driven a Jeep one of Eric's first purchases after the insurance policy came in was a jeep Yeah, that's like after the the back to the future fucking anniversary and a bunch of people go out buying delorians Yeah, they can't get out of their car in a Walmart parking lot because the doors open like a jackass It'll get ruined now and a bit of twisted irony which this case is full of billionaire boys club was Distributed by live entertainment the very company that Jose was serving as CEO at the time of the murders and the source of the Menendez family's great wealth. That's how lazy they were. This is just proof of how right Jose was to be mad at them

I really just came up with the platform of the murder from VHS movie that from a VH movie It's piles of VHS is of a movie that we're just sitting in their father's office They didn't even have to try hard to come up with the plan for the murder And as far as to why their mother kitty had to be killed Eric said they just couldn't figure out a way to kill Jose Without killing kitty and besides she was so in love with them that she wouldn't be able to live without him Anyway, so they were actually doing her kind of a favor. They did a hurrah favor. It's really sweet of them sort of an umpchun Riccio again type logic. Yeah releasing her from pain or something. Yeah, that's exactly what they were thinking and in contrast to what Eric Told his buddy Craig Eric told Ozeal that he was the one who entered the room first not Lyle and started shooting

That was probably to protect Lyle Probably Eric is in love with Lyle. He will do anything it takes to take care of Lyle Of course And so that was his way to sort of like put me in like make him the aggressor out of nowhere, right? And when the mother hadn't died from the initial shots, this is another thing that he had left out of a story to Craig When the mother hadn't died immediately both of them went outside to get more shells Came back in and shot her three more times. It's always the people you least Expect that that survived the longest. Yeah

She was stronger than we gave her credit for this whole time And what I don't want anybody to really take this advice but at the same time take this advice if you're gonna kill your parents Pull out the gas line blow up the house. That's a that's a lot of work That's what I'm saying. Don't do it right But then your house is also blown up and all your goodies that were inside of it are gone Now you get life insurance and house insurance Okay Again, that is this is a satire show

Certainly not wink wink wink real advice wink wink wink absolutely not disregard those winks the winks are satire Winks are also satire. I am not a lawyer. You know what? We're giving you a model again. Oh, thank you Of course Eric's confession didn't go down well with Lyle two days later on November 2nd Lyle showed up at Ozeal's office with Eric and threatened to kill the therapist if he told anyone He Lyle was screaming now that he was gonna kill anybody that Eric had talked to over the last couple of days I was going nuts and basically it's because you're gonna take away his livelihood I don't even think he cared about going to jail because I don't think he thought that that was even an option He just assumed once you're rich you can buy your way out of anything and he's actually mostly right totally correct

I mean, he's also really busy figuring out Wednesday's wing special at mr. Buffalo It's like I've got a new garlic alfredo chicken wing coming out and we have we are running out of napkins It's called the Italian dickhead. What is that? Yeah? That's a fabulous name. That's well. I was joking the Italian All right. Well, that's on the menu But even after Lyle came in got all pissed off said that he was gonna kill dr. Ozeal He still couldn't help but confess just a little bit himself on both the november 2nd session and a later session in December he said that they had committed the perfect crime something that the billionaire boys club had also boasted about He also said that their dad would have actually been proud of them for pulling this off

No, you still went to jail dickhead. Yeah, this was before they went to jail Sure This is not even close to the perfect crime the perfect crime would be like them on camera being like if you know where my parents are Please let us know Everyone knows exactly what happened the perfect crime would be disposing of the bodies with no one understanding where they possibly went and then you All of a sudden your sympathy see you or you were given sympathy and that's not actual legal advice. That's not advice I'm just I'm just saying again being that could really work with wink wink wink not really you know I'm saying well The mob does it right with the human burrito

No, when Ozeal asked Lyle if he missed his parents Lyle said quote I miss having these people around I miss not having my dog around if I could make such a gross analogy But what the brothers didn't know was that not only was Ozeal taping all their sessions But he had also asked his girlfriend at the time a miss Jude along Smith to listen in on the sessions outside the door This is just fucking like a farce. It's a comedy film He's literally fucking three of his patients the number one Mistress that he's fucking right now. He asked to listen because now that they've already confessed one time He knows they're gonna come back in the office and he's trying to cover his ass and basically said it hurts to be like you'll protect me

You're gonna sit outside the door You're gonna listen in and then if anything goes wrong you call the police meanwhile She then finds out that he's fucking two other his patients and now he's completely Never record yourself. No learn from Nixon. Of course. We're doing a podcast Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's exactly what happened. She listened in on the crimes and Ozeal He never went to the police with these confessions either even after Lyle had threatened his life because he offered to set up their whole defense As they were going through this he said he's like no listen listen listen. I'm your therapist I'm gonna tell everybody that you're sociopaths and that you couldn't control yourself and that you didn't know the difference between right and wrong

And I will be there making sure that happens for you. I mean, it's serious question I don't do they have to tell the police if somebody confesses a crime to them I mean, isn't there some patient confidentiality? No, they only have to come They only have to tell the police if there is a future possibilities of a crime If there's if the therapist or the doctor believes that they will commit a crime in the future then The patient patient doctor confidentiality is breached and they can report anything You also get the same thing when you talk to a priest But at the same time the priest can then say well, then I'm gonna invoice you one. You suck my penis. Oh, that's correct

Yes, yeah, and so this ex-girlfriend She got super pissed off at Ozeal and decided that the best way to get back at him would be to go to the police and tell them Everything she knew about the Menendez brothers and then Lyle was picked up on his way to the cheesecake factory His neon yellow Jeep between Chris Farley and Lyle They both like the cheesecake factory and they both have terrible kind of lives there God We see my family so we're off the cheesecake factory because as my mom said that cake is dry Yeah, because it's extremely unhealthy and disgusting. No, it's dry wasn't sopping wet enough with buttermilk So yeah, Lyle was picked up on his way to the cheesecake factory

Eric was in Israel playing tennis at the time and he flew home and was arrested as well And that's where we had the tennis coach being like and I told him I was like, I'm gonna use my tennis psychology It's just what you got to do is get back on the offensive and he was like trying to stay on the payroll throughout this whole procedure These people man. These guys are white trash. Yeah with money. Yeah, the cheesecake factory your multi-millionaires This is where you're gonna go eat They're all dickheads and then all of the family jumps onto this bandwagon of trying to create their alibi of the Molestations because they know if they don't they're gonna get cut out of the money. They have to keep the money in the family Oh my god. Yeah, so since the brothers had made detailed confessions on tape

They had no choice but to admit that they had actually killed their parents the question for the defense Why why did they kill their parents? What was the motivation? They took away our Sega Genesis? I mean it seems to me like the cops or at this point just like just get away They want them to get away with it. It seems like the cops I mean don't you think they would have just been arrested immediately had they not been white had they not been wealthy? Oh, yeah, well, you learn white though. Think about that. That's a weird race thing, right? You're normally you kind of we've now assumed that they're white. They look sort of white They've got light skin, but they are Spanish. They're just rich. I mean that just shows how rich you but it can do for you

It makes you white I guess I don't know so this right here is Eric on the stand during the trial Answering the question of why they actually killed their parents. What do you believe? was the originating cause of You and your brother ultimately winding up shooting your parents Me telling You telling what me telling while that uh you

Telling well, what Is it you telling Lyle about something that was happening my dad My dad I Ask a leading question If you don't ask my dad He was in a process of answering so I was only to ask can you answer the question? Yes? Okay? Was you telling Lyle what my dad had been lester me?

Oh my god, I just I just want Adam Sandler to stand up and be like Tattata day junior That's the things like now they're really playing it up They're definitely playing I'd like how harder was for him to say that they were molested because also they were 21 year old an 18 year old boy both are currently apparently being made love to by their father I'm gonna say made love I know why you would say that because of the emotions that were there It does sort of sound like he was getting sucked off by a father figure Oh, yeah, I do feel like the same audio could be played in one of those silverback movies

The entire defense was that the boys had killed their parents after years of sexual abuse on the part of both Jose and Kitty, but mostly at the hands of Jose This is how they said the whole thing went down how the murder actually happened now as we mentioned in the first episode Lyle had been wearing a toupee from the age of 14 bald pieces shit. It's a goddess father Just this guy fucking throwing combs out buying combs just to throw them out Emiliated this that is how you make a super villain. Yeah, you already see Lex Luthor. We're a toupee at 14 No, Lyle always insisted that the toupees be made from 100 percent human hair with his favorite piece being the model 124x which cost in the neighborhood of $1,500. It's called the brunette dickhead

Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't want it to be 100% human eyes After I saw the pictures of Lyle when they everyone kept saying you could not believe that this hairpiece was fake It was just seamless. It's just a perfect head of hair. It looks like he's got a durable Trained sitting on his skull. You can see the line $1,500. Yeah, that's the best they could do. It was top-notch. That's top-notch. Yeah, and you know male toupees They're not like women's wigs You can't just pop them on your skull and go about your day according to one of those vanity fair articles a toupee involves elaborate

Preparations before the bathroom mirror and various means of attachment such as glue hooks and lure locks I mean, I gotta say I have some sympathy for this poor 14 year old Going through the same makeup the same daily routine as a 94 year old person who's just a world war two vet He's literally turning into Kevin Spacey from American Beauty, but he's 14 years old Yeah, and Lyle in the words of one person who worked at Lyle's hair clinic. He was quote consumed by his hair I Kind of understand it Of course brutal it is brutal. It's gotta be confusing

He finally got pubic hair and then all the hair in his head is gone. Maybe you thought it would just like went down there I just feel like that then it turns us to a weird african folktale of life And then the top pass be scared by the inferior swings and move to the down south Yeah, and Jose his best friend said the Jose talked about Lyle's hair all the time He's like Lyle's very worried about his hair. He's constantly worried about it. He's always talking about it Of course he did because the father also hates when he has a bald son fucking 14 year old son Looks like Darth Vader when he took off the mask So in other words Lyle's bald head

It was kind of an open secret every of course everybody knew that Lyle had a bald head But despite all of this despite all of this evidence Eric and Lyle who as we said were constantly up each other's asses Claimed that Eric never knew his brother wore a two-pay Mmm, that's that's the thing about the two-pay I don't know what social agreement we've all decided to come up with here when people have hair plugs or two-pays We're just supposed to go along with the lie. Yeah Yeah, yeah

It's not like when somebody loses their face in the war and then you have to put like one of those weird plastic fake faces on there And we all have to be like looking good Greg You know like you're looking really good, huh? See you can wear sunglasses look at how you could just say stuff like that and you have to stay really positive Yeah, oh, and by the way Christina the psychology expert who definitely exists definitely exists She sent me an email and said that it was highly unlikely that the brothers were fucking eat How did she say it? Yeah, that wasn't Christina

It is highly unlikely that the brothers was engaging in sexual intercourse with one another I could just see Carol I could just see pickle girlfriend knocking in the door being like is the session over yet Marcus? Can I come into the bedroom again as you're- Marcus! 14 more minutes to go! The email has been done with the composition! That's great, I mean you were- Pickle boyfriend I'm gonna leave Yeah gotta go

Henry you were- See you soon! What an- wow The hours and hours of acting training that you've gone through Henry what do you think hundreds of hours? I would say up to 12 hours of acting training And then Marcus has none but he's a better actor than you I mean it's just sometimes look at Lyle Lyle wanted- didn't even want to be an actor better actor than his brother Eric who wanted to be an actor

There you go I don't want to be an actor at all Well, well bye Christina thanks for coming Yeah she said that the guys they loved each other as much as they could love anything But a lot of times narcissists which these guys definitely were they don't really equate sex with love It was kind of like in American Psycho when he is fucking the prostitute but looking at himself in the mirror Yeah exactly But according to the brothers on the fateful day that kind of precipitated the entire murder Kitty in a fit of rage over God knows what attacked Lyle and ripped the toupee off his head in front of Eric

Maybe somebody left the sham wow in the dryer Maybe And Eric supposedly shocked at seeing the brother he looked up to so much vulnerable and bald for the first time Decided it was time to open up himself What is it like what a really you know like you get to do a feel bad for yourself competition with people People say it's like oh yeah you know I was late in the train because someone pulled the emergency stop in the subway He's like oh well I farted myself to sleep and I couldn't wake up on time And it's just like literally just being like the only way to milk your brother feel better about being bald

Is like well daddy's been fucking me Yeah I don't know Yeah that's what he told him he said that he started telling his brother for the first time that their dad had been brutally molesting him since the age of 12 So about six years and had continued to do so to that day Do we know that that's not the reason why he has hair You know Maybe the fathers come with like a row game Sort of the first row game

I don't know But also I find it very nice that Lyle who couldn't really experience or express emotions very well Put a little attachment to the tapas fed the loudum to spin the topay in order to show that he was surprised or shocked or sad Yeah he had the roll up tie there too he was a fun kind of guy And after the confession Lyle confronted Jose saying that he was never to touch Eric ever again Daddy next time you want to fuck something buy a watermelon and cut a hole in it Jose said that Eric was his son and he could do whatever he wanted with him I don't know if any of this is true

It's not none of this is true none of it is absolutely none of it's true And after this confrontation the brothers got it in their heads that their parents were going to kill him to keep the molestation a secret And to prevent this from happening the brothers all hopped up after a seemingly innocent fishing trip in which they claimed their parents were going to kill them In full view of the fishing boats captain and the captain's girlfriend they murdered their parents first And that's what they talk about the captain of this fishing trip when they went noticed that the parents were sitting alone in one side of the of the boat And the boys are sitting in the front of the boat pensive standing there and he was just like I knew then that there was tension in the family But actually that that was the day that they had went and bought the shotguns in San Diego and had come back and then went on the fishing trip So literally they were just sitting there planning the murder on the boat

Well I mean then the captain was correct And also Jose's they're pulling up Marlins being like my fucking big my baldy son and my gay son won't go fishing and I'm doing anything I'm sitting here hauling in nets I came here on from Cuba on a tire and I'm not a millionaire I know I feel bad for Jose the more that we learn about the family Jose was right Yeah Jose was absolutely right those allegations of sexual abuse all of this bullshit they weren't introduced into evidence until 10 days before the trial actually began By the time the trial actually started the Menendez brothers had been in jail for two three years So they had been planning this defense for literally two and a half years and they never mentioned being molested until it came time for their What is the name of their defense attorney very fat like Leslie Abranson

Yes and she came out and she was like quite the showman if you actually watch the video of her opening statements they are incredible She is a very very good but that's when they hit them with the molestation idea no one had heard of that until they showed up because they waited for the complete impact of the opening statement Yeah and in another bit of irony molestation or no it was Jose Menendez's fortune that paid for Lyle and Eric's top shelf defense team Of course That's gone that's a real blow that's one of those afterlife blows So the Menendez brothers defense team was headed up by a woman named Leslie Abranson as we said And at the time of the trial she had saved 12 people from death row including a doctor who had strangled his 11 year old son and it cut him into over 200 pieces Well the kid wanted to do too many after school activities and he wanted to like expand his abilities to get to all the different meetings

Well the great irony is that doctor actually wanted his son to grow up and own a Mr. Buffalo's and the kid didn't want to do it Yeah see this Abranson she was a master at knocking witnesses off of their game she could change moods from one sentence to the next She was famous for making witnesses break down into tears Actually the only person she couldn't shake her in the whole trial Dr. Ozeal the therapist He kept a hard line he is really good he was born to be a fucking witness on the stand In fact she was the one that started screaming at him he was like I don't know I wouldn't know about that I'm only a therapist and I deal with brains not court trials your honor That's right

Yeah this woman fantastic performer also said to be highly entertaining at dinner parties Oh I'm sure yeah the tales she can tell about saving people who murder their children She can also do that ping pong ball trick Oh with her pussy I actually saw that in real life one time in Florida of course How was it? Extremely impressive Was it at the porthole?

No it was not the porthole it was a bar I was looking for an exotic club No thank you it's a very classy I was directed to a bar next to the airport and that's where I went and it was ping pong pussy night Was it called like zooms? I really do forget the name and she was she was remarkable She had about maybe 15-20 of them total and it was really about maybe 15 feet Was she just popping them off into space or was it like a precision game? Well it was a precision game and so she would hit the guys this bar was really gross

I'm sorry to get off topic never mind No no please All the guys would sit around the bar you know and then she would kind of go on the floor It was really greasy as you can imagine it wasn't the cleanest place And then the guys would you know like try to get hit by the ping pong And you know it's interesting that she had just come from China training their Olympic team members for the table tennis That's right Like that sport yes that's amazing

So Leslie's defense strategy was to paint the Menendez brothers 25 and 22 by the time the case went to trial As helpless young boys in the thrall of a pair of sadistic monsters Like for example instead of suits the brothers wore sweaters to court every day to try to make them look younger They look like Stuart Smalley Yes and they are good enough So Leslie would also describe them as quote adorable and would treat them in this weird kind of maternal way She'd rub their backs when they were upset she'd pick lint off of their shirts She'd adjust their collars but most importantly she never called them anything but the boys

So Lyle and Eric both had to stand up like I had to stand up in eighth grade when you pop an unwilling boner Literally And you have to like flip it underneath your belt Your belt so you can stand up and not at pop a tent Or I'd go into the JC Penney so my mom would come into the dressing room and pull me out And be like is there enough room in the crotch And pull on the crotch of the pants and be like oh this isn't enough room Oh but you just got tiny down there

It's just tiny down there you'd expect there to be more room in there But I guess the top of it's bigger It's your belly that's grouting it It does sound kind of disturbing but now that I think about it my mother was very concerned about that Concerned Mothers were concerned about the pants I had no idea what the two of you were talking about Parents loved their pant play

I think that's what they did instead of molesting us Oh and besides just calling them the boys At every turn she would refer to these two grown men in their 20s as these children It's actually very interesting because you can see how This is where the cunning comes in Is that they know that in order to make this lie work In order to come and say that I've been molested Literally since the age of five to the age of 19 years old

The way I can sell this is by degradating myself so far To be a mulling, an uncut like a child who can't remotely stand up for yourself So they just know that as long as we embarrass the fuck out of ourselves We will get away with murder But I actually understand where the defense is coming from Because when the crimes were committed they were much younger So you do want to put them in that position though, don't you? No, they said that they were getting molested up until the day

They were getting molested up until days before the murder So you're talking literally about a 19 year old man who is a semi-professional tennis player Semi-professional But he's getting fucked by his dad against his will I don't know You know what we're gonna say, I don't know I actually don't, because that's what we're talking about, I do want to always believe a victim Who comes forward and says that they were molested

But we're gonna build a case against the fact that they created these claims A very strong case Yes, and it's just hard because you literally... You can't call them out for lying Because then you're gonna say so many people could be lying about it Because the lying would just be so terrible But that's how bad these fuckers were Sure, this is how horrible they were

Leslie Abramson, she even went like, besides just degrading them She even tried to paint them as heroes This is what she said I mean, you have these clients who are not criminals But sympathetic, decent people who are in terrible trouble And their so-called victims are nothing short of monsters who deserve to be stopped Just because you're dead doesn't mean you're a victim, a saint Hitler's dead too

Think about it That's great, and that was also kind of a good Joan Rivers impression Thank you She also managed to get the word sociopath banned from the trial completely Saying that it was a buzzword that would just confuse jurors It was the buzzword that perfectly describes their personalities Yes That buzzword

Can we change it to mulling pieces of shit? Why don't we not? We don't say murder, we'll just say caress their head with a bullet Well, yeah, actually she did try to get the word murder banned She tried to get the word murder banned from a murder trial Because the whole thing was that they were using the imminent danger defense In order to not be held culpable in a murder in California You had to prove that you were in, you felt as if your life was an imminent danger

They thought that the parents, they had, they got into a fight They thought the parents walked into the TV room in order to load guns and to come out and to shoot them That's literally what they said and so they had to grab the shotguns and murder them first That's unbelievable Oh my god Yeah, it was, yeah, none of it made, none of this makes sense, absolutely none of it does My father was the least dangerous you could find him in front of the television Oh yeah, I mean every single, couples in front of the television

Specifically parents are just talking about the commercial They're watching right at that moment and really discussing if Tide is a better alternative Yeah, what Leslie Abranson was actually successful in keeping out of court was Billionaires Boys Club The prosecution wanted to do a full screen of the movie for the jurors But the judge ruled it inadmissible The only thing that they could do was mention that there was a television program that had aired Three weeks before the murder that may have had something to do with the murder

They had to keep it extremely vague I feel bad for the creators of Billionaires Boys Club Think about the kind of traction that would have gotten that film I actually do want to watch this film now As a matter of fact, we should maybe Mystery Science 3000 it at some point I would love for us to do a live show on the Billionaire Boys Club If you want us to do a live show on the Billionaire Boys Club Go on the Facebook group, go on Twitter

And yeah, tag us in and tell us, say if you wanted to see Billionaire Boys Club We'll dress in matching sweaters No, the trial itself was actually two trials As each brother was tried by a separate jury This meant that if a witness was testifying about something that only pertained to Lyle Eric's jury would be excluded and vice versa And as I said earlier, every person involved in this trial is straight out of a bad TV movie Craig, the screenwriting partner

He showed up on his day of testimony with two hot girls in mini skirts who wouldn't stop giggling I kind of like Craig now Craig knows what's up, it's about presentation It is Yeah, and even the cops, they were just these buff and tan dudes Dominique Dunn in his Vanity Fair article said Quote, not a fatty on the force But that's how my dad always talked about it

With high profile cases like this, they move good looking cops to the front of the lines My dad was a part of a big murder trial and they didn't use him for the televised stuff Because he looks the way he looks You mean the Soprowskis are made for the screen No, we're full of personality But a lot of times cops also don't want a cop front and center who's full of personality I see Wow, I like it

So there are a bunch of Charles Bronson looking people Craig comes in like Ric Flair, I mean this is really entertaining stuff No, it's extremely entertaining And this entire thing, you gotta remember This entire trial from beginning to end was televised It launched Court TV Well, the judge apparently hesitantly allowed one camera in the courtroom And it was put on Court TV and it was also completely done in the middle of Beverly Hills

It's the only thing people were talking about It's literally, it was fascinating It was a fucking, people were showing, it was the hottest show in town This was a really interesting time for technology and for the human experience Especially when it comes to visualizing it through television I mean, cameras in the courtroom, it's been highly debated ever since When we talk about this with the OJ Simpson, when we covered OJ Simpson, it's the same thing It's got a lot of mileage, you know, all of these people became superstars

That sketch with John Malkovich and Rob Schneider Yeah, yeah, yeah About the Menendez brothers on Saturday Night Live, you know And as far as the extended Menendez family went They were caught between saying that they had a violent, incestual rapist in their family And getting the money, or saying that Jose was innocent at all this And getting nothing And in the end, about an 80-20 split on the side of molest

Yeah, cause you know, it's just so funny just how like, money changes people I mean, honestly, if you're having that conversation with your wife, you just had a kid You're thinking about college, Jose is dead Is he gonna know if we say he's a molester? I'm gonna say this as an unmarried, just if I was just the cousin Who's got nothing to lose and nowhere to go And it's like, yeah, give me the money, I'll say whatever you want I'll be like, I'll say he sucked my dick

Yeah, exactly, I'm saying, I would have walked in the court backwards, gaping my ass And be like, he put it here And when one of the non-molesties talked to Lyle about this whole thing being a Lyle About being a lie She said that Lyle looked away and said in what was almost his father's voice Well, that's the way he's going to be Huh? I don't know

Mom won't know about that Again, he's blue-begged in German And the most fucked up part about all of this is that the only time The boys applied the lessons their father taught them Was when they blew him away The only time that they actually followed their father's advice You know, to really take charge, take what you want, be a man Was when they killed him

In fact, Lyle talked about their father's emotional code He made them memorize this and say this every morning That he would like do a weird sort of roll call in the morning Where they would sit in the kitchen and he would quiz them about Current events in history and then make them recite his morality code I mean, the sad thing is, it sounds like this father was actually concerned about his kids Yeah, just in the worst way possible He just didn't really know like many immigrant fathers from places like Cuba, dare I say, Germany

They're just a colder people and they've gone through a lot more And they just want their kids to be the perfect Americans They have an ideal of what Americans should be He was being a real tiger mom He was a tiger mom Well, this is Lyle talking about the emotional code He actually recited it from memory in court This is how well he knew it

Today I will be mastering my emotions If I feel depressed, I will sing If I feel sad, I will laugh If I feel ill, I will double my labor If I feel fear, I will plunge ahead If I feel inferior, I will wear new garments If I feel poverty, I will think of wealth to come If I feel insignificant, I will remember my goals

I will be mastering my emotions If I feel horny, I will look at a picture of my grandmother taking a shift That's a strange one there at the end Oh, yeah That's the secret I mean, really, I just pictured a kitty hanging on from a mountain cliff, from a mountain side And that's a great, those are great messages Actually, that's really good, I kind of like that

Yeah, pull yourself up, fucker That's what it is, yeah Now, the Menendez Brothers trial was a pretty controversial subject when it was going on The whole country was split into pretty much three factions Those were, the brothers were never molested and they killed for money They were molested but didn't have the right to kill their parents Or they were molested and they did the right thing in murdering their parents You're forgetting the fourth one, which was one held by many women

Which is they are goopy boys making me goopy down there I feel like that The kids were horned up for these kids Yeah, it's really strange because they just looked like pieces of shit and they were dressed like little boys Like they were dressed like, they were dressed like children They were talking about how they were getting fucked by their dad But they fetishized themselves to many women who want to take care of them Yeah, it was definitely, well, I mean, that was Leslie Abramson's whole plan

Was to make the entire country feel like they needed to protect them A lot of times she was right, she did it, she pulled it off Now that last opinion, that the parents molested them The parents deserved to die That was spurred on by testimony that the brothers gave concerning the abuse themselves And here is an excerpt of Eric describing what his father would do to him specifically And I warn you, this is actually pretty graphic Don't get horny for this

He would stick things in me as he was giving me oral sex Or at times he would just sit on the bed with his legs up Spread and with his back to the back of the bed And he would have me give him oral sex and he would stick the needles or the tacks into my thighs As he was doing this He said he called it, he called it doing the cork board It's terrible, I mean, this is, even if it is made up If you are in that jury, if you are in that courtroom, just hearing someone even say that sentence is unnerving

And it breaks your heart And Leslie Abranson knew that Yeah, she absolutely knew that Yeah, it sounds horrifying, it sounds fucked up It also sounds like fairly believable Yeah But it is important to know that the defense team was advised by a lawyer named Paul Monase Who wrote the literal handbook on how to defend kids who murder their parents

A lot of the examples of abuse that Eric and Lyle gave Many of these situations were just slightly tweaked versions of stories that were contained in Paul's handbook And in addition, a former cellmate of Lyle's said that Lyle read every book he could find On the sexual molestation of children during the trial He did have to borrow those books from a man who called himself Peewee You like to suck his own penis Peewee was very double, he was very friendly Very friendly

Very friendly Yeah, Lyle also told people that he knew that he was a better witness than Eric That he knew exactly how to manipulate a jury And he knew exactly which jurors had cried during his testimony And that is true, Lyle was very, very effective When you listen to him, when he has that emotional outburst about being molested by his father It is very stirring, it's very hard I sat down with Natalie and she was like, are you sure that they were lying about this?

And I was like, yes, he really played it up You're going to now see that's how good they were at this point You'd build himself up to a fever pitch And it does put you in a very uncomfortable position If you are the juror, do you want to defend a man who is theoretically raping his kid? Yeah I mean, that's a tough thing to do Yes

I guess That's a guy kind of being cut from the jury Yeah And the testimony that they gave, it only got weirder as the trial went on See, Eric claimed that he had heard from some kids at school that if a dude ate cinnamon It'd make a semen taste better So Eric said that he started putting cinnamon into his dad's coffee every morning To make semen taste better

But the thing is about that, you ever had cinnamon? And just say mocha Say mocha, you put a little bit of cinnamon You know you're drinking cinnamon Yeah, my semen says exactly the same How do you know? If I was forced to suck a person's coffee on a regular basis The last thing I would be thinking is like, how do I flavor it?

How do I fasten this up? Yeah, I really want to dunk in donuts and I want to turbo boost it After he's just like, dad, he's like, his dad will train him and he'll give me a thumbs up right before you go and then he puts a bunch of pop rocks in his mouth And finishes it Hey dad, have you tried having pineapple today? Here, pineapple makes this function Yes, you know I like it when I make a mysemen and it tastes like an ice cream Why does he sound like an Italian plumber?

Yeah, Eric also talked about how his father had, on a few occasions, lit candles And created a romantic atmosphere before molesting him Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever If you've done even the tiniest bit of research on sexual molestation Particularly fathers or mothers who molest their children It's not about romance, it's not about love, it's about power It's about, it's just, it's all about power You ever fucking seen a lit candle?

You ever see a lit fucking candle in a van? No, you can't do it No, cause that's like, that just makes you a groovy dude who listens to Rush 24x7 Yeah, well actually, the story about lighting the candles That's probably a bit of a half truth A person in Miami who knew the family said that Jose was so bothered by Eric's homosexuality That he had tried a centauria ritual to try to cure him of it So he did the gayest thing possible?

Literally, he just dressed like a witch doctor and just did anything possible to make his son not suck a tennis I think my son is gay, I'm gonna put some glitter around, light some candles But I honestly also think there's also a twisted thing I think it was literally just because I don't think Eric's actually gay I don't think that that was why he was mad He was just bad at everything And Jose did not understand how I can't treat my children like little soldiers And they can't go out and work at something every single day until they become perfect at everything that they do

He doesn't understand, some people are just born with no ability to have skills Yeah, they just can't do it I know he's a sociopath, but is that normal for a sociopath to be able to look at the people who are being affected by what they're saying and register what that means? Like with the jury and them crying and stuff like that That's specifically a psychopathic trick And then you can go and you know that if you can fake emotions, you know that you're gonna get the societal reaction that you need to succeed So you do understand that? Oh, absolutely, no, these guys, I mean, that is a textbook sociopath reaction

Of course, I mean, that's actually one of the ways that you can tell that someone is a sociopath If they fuck up over and over and over again And the only thing they do is try to garner pity back from you You know, it's like the guy that hits his wife and says, I just love you so much You know, it's all about garnering pity So this whole thing is a sociopathic play But it doesn't mean you're like not unfit to see It doesn't mean it doesn't mean that you're not fit to stand trial

It just means you understand you still understand your actions are right and wrong You understand that you do right There are people that are sociopaths that don't kill anybody because they know in the end probably in some fucked up way If I kill somebody and go to jail, it's a heck of a lot worse than if I don't That's exactly what it is Most sociopaths don't kill because they have nothing to gain from it That's the whole thing The only thing that a sociopath, everything that a sociopath does is to advance their own agenda

Whatever that may be And especially if you go to take the one thing that they have in society which is money and their status And they saw our parents have been like about to cut them off And then so they kill them and now they have to cover their fucking tracks no matter what the cost Even if it means dressing up like a little boy and saying that you fucking try to make your father's calm taste better Mmm, cinnamon day Monday is cinnamon day, don't forget And you know these kids their entire lives there was never any sign of physical abuse

And definitely no sign of the particularly brutal abuse that Eric claimed his father had subjected him to Other than the intense tennis training and things like that I mean I'm talking the sexual abuse, I'm talking anal rape of a nine year old Yes, I'm serious Is that the name of your first book? I'm talking anal rape of a nine year old That's an intense sentence It is, it is, good God

But you know I feel like now which is really fucked up is now we got a new sign Whether or not a kid is being molested or not If he's constantly begging his father to go to fancy brunches Ah yes, that's true Yeah, well the only corroborating evidence was a conversation that Eric had supposedly had with one of his cousins When he was about 13 Now of course this is another thing, we don't know if this is actually true We don't know if the cousin was coached, if the cousin is lying under oath

Regardless, this is the testimony of that cousin He asked me if my dad ever gave me massages And did you understand at that point what he meant? No I didn't And do you recall basically what your response to him was? Well, at that point I got the feeling, I'm sure he let me know this, but he was actually trying to find out If any of these massages were normal And my response to him was that I wouldn't know

I didn't have a father around, my parents were divorced then And I really couldn't help him Let me ask you this, he asked you whether your father gave you massages That's right Did you, you said he was trying to find out if it was normal Was there something else he told you about the massages? Like where they were? Yes, he did

Okay, what did he say about where the massages were? Well, he told me his father was massaging his dick Hey, uh, hey, uh, hey, cousin A's going on into your, oh man Hey, how are you man? I'm a street fighter, two rules, right? Oh, so fun, yeah You can't even massage your dick man No, street fighter two is great man

I love, I play with, yeah block this game man, it's great I mean, but that also goes completely in contrary with everything that Eric and Lyle had actually said Because they said all of their abuse testimony was them doing things to their father And then now all of a sudden it's being turned around to where their father is doing things to him It just, none of this makes sense, absolutely, not a single bit of it makes sense It is strange, it's a strange conversation for a 13 year old to have with his other cousin though, isn't it? Yeah, it's a weird one, yeah But on the other hand, we don't know if the conversation ever actually happened

Don't know if it happened because literally he was trying to make money That's right, okay, so you don't know and that's what's fucked up And also think about this, right? The prosecution came out and laid out their casing that they killed their parents in order to get money It took them three weeks to do it and they went blap and they just, they were like, and this is, it's solid, book them This comes as a complete surprise after they've already done their whole case Defense takes over the court case, right? This now is over six months of talking about them getting raped by their father

And so they're just pounding these people, not to be, not like Jose did to the children Possibly, yeah They are really, they did not do the children But they are literally, the prosecution is like taken aback by what is now taken over, this circus that just rules in Not only that, but the prosecution is not, I mean, they're thinking that they're in the clear of the thing like God, of course this is bullshit The prosecution had a psychological witness in their back pocket that could have come in and dispelled all of this shit But they didn't even think that it was necessary

They were like, nah, these guys aren't fooling anybody It seems to me they did what OJ did, they just made, they put the LAPD on trial And it looks like they put Jose on trial and he's a corpse So he can't really help himself too much Yeah, basically a person that can't speak for themselves but becomes the center of their whole defense And even if he would have lived, he still wouldn't have had like much of a mouth Got it out there, sad Bad, bad for him

Guess we gotta throw out all this gum No need for it now Like I said earlier, this whole thing, it's a TV movie It even had a dramatic climactic gotcha moment This is Eric being questioned about the trip to buy the shotguns in which the brothers had claimed that they had tried to buy handguns But when they were told there would be a 15-day waiting period, they opted for shotguns instead This is the prosecution, cross-examining Eric Now, you're telling the truth about everything in this case, aren't you?

I'm telling the truth to the best that I can Okay And even though you've lied in the past, you're telling the truth now, aren't you? Yes, I am Did you truly go to the Santa Monica Big Five store on the morning of August 18th to buy these handguns? Definitely Without a doubt, I did You and Lyle did

Yes And you and Lyle actually looked in this case and you selected these guns and you were told you couldn't leave the store with those handguns because there's a 15-day wait Yes Did you remember this? Did you know that Big Five stopped carrying handguns in March of 1986? Yes No, I don't know that No

Miss Graham, there were guns there and we did look at them and he did say we could not carry them anymore Oh my god, that's where I wish like Pitbull the DJ would have showed up and just like BAM BAM BAM BAM That is, if you're that lawyer, just like this is fucking beautiful You could kind of feel the Cuban come out of here because you know he may as soon as he said he's like you know they did not sell the handguns after March 1986 And for a second he was about to go You didn't want to show that they were getting to him It seems pretty obvious to us in hindsight like it pretty much always does in our episodes

These guys were lying about almost everything Seemed obvious to the prosecution as well who like I said earlier didn't even bother to bring in their expert witness But the performance of Lyle and Eric Menendez was good enough to deadlock both of their juries on the charges of first-degree murder Causing the judge to declare a mistrial in both And those that voted for murder were in the minority Only three of them on Lyle's side and five on Eric's Held out to sit into the gas chamber The strangest thing is theoretically one could have been found guilty and one innocent

Yes I mean for the same crime Well I honestly think that was a part of it because Eric and Lyle stopped talking to each other during this trial And I think a lot of it was that if they had to pick and choose who was going to get the heavier punishment it was going to be Lyle Because he was the aggressor he was the one that had planned the whole thing And so with the second trial though everything changed because they were completely the prosecution was taken aback by the sexual molestation allegations And so they didn't know how to handle it so now they know like well now we know how to talk about this and disprove all of that So after the mistrial they've been in jail now for what two, three, three and a half years?

Six Six years after the mistrial do you walk out of the courtroom? Are you free to go? No absolutely not When a mistrial is declared that just means they have to do it again Yes But the prosecution does have the opportunity to not I suppose I suppose I'm not sure

I actually don't know Yeah I don't know I mean I would think I'm not a lawyer Yeah Are you not a lawyer? No I barely graduated high school and college I got a BA in theater Not bad

That does nothing It's good You'll do great on the witness stand Well the second trial much different than the first First of all the brothers are tried together in front of a single jury Second the judge learned his lesson and allowed no TV cameras in the courtroom whatsoever But most importantly the judge used a legal footnote and a recent at the time supreme court decision to bar the self-defense argument from the court Saying it didn't apply because it was the brothers not the parents who initiated the final physical confrontation

Without the sexual abuse storyline to lean on the defense collapsed and on March 20th after four days of deliberation Lyle and Eric Menendez were convicted of two counts of first degree murder as well as conspiracy to commit murder Both were sentenced to life without parole Lyle currently works as a janitor in a prison near Tahachapi while Eric is a groundskeeper at a prison outside of Sacramento They're about to get the people versus OJ treatment in an upcoming NBC miniseries as well They've both been married Lyle twice God they've been married twice Well Lyle's been married twice but we'll cover those relationships on our upcoming women who love men who kill episode

As far as to how the brothers are doing in prison their aunt said quote People hate them People hate them? I can't believe it Oh this is why you should never talk to a janitor or a groundskeeper Never talk to them Never get close to them No I was friends with my janitor in high school No I was too we had janitor Bob his office smelled just like tobacco it was great

Yeah ours was named Joe Freddy Yeah that's horrifying Joe he had two first names Yeah Joe Freddy Joe Freddy Also sounds like he might work at a place called Mr. Buffalo's Wow what a great story man Yeah that's the Menendez brothers

That was insane I mean this was ingrained in us as children this was a huge story I mean this all happened when we were about five years old that's when the murder actually happened So by the time the trial came around at about like 92 this is when we were really first starting to pay attention to the news And it was also when we really started to hate our parents so they were extremely uncomfortable I remember this being pounded in our head I remember the Menendez because it was the big ones right It was Menendez brothers You got Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding Oh yeah

And then you had Lorena Bobbitt Yeah that's right Lorena Bobbitt's a good story we should cover too Yeah She chopped that penis off and now he is a fucking born star Yeah Frankenpenis You know what I think we just covered it That's pretty much the whole story there's not a lot to that one

Yeah actually yeah Lorena Bobbitt's pretty cut and dry Yep that's good We'll give you the cliff notes the guy was beating her he cut her cock off She cut his cock off threw it in the woods Yeah As she was driving which is a funny thing to throw out your window It is a funny thing You know what we are slowly turning into the satanic version of wait wait don't tell me

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And the more you guys give the more cool shit that we can continue doing for you guys You mean this is so fucking great you're making this amazing macabre shit our lives which is what we've always wanted We're going to do a big shaving party where everybody shaves each other Is that right? Yeah We'll call it the Lyle Menendez party Um hail yourselves Hail Satan

Hail Gain Hail me please And make goose deletion Fuck What is a cock? A cock? A cock? Yeah what is a cock?

I think it's a guy who likes to watch men have sex with his wife Is that what it is? Yeah but he likes it so it's not bad Yeah he likes it but sometimes you know he gets like halfway through and realizes that he really doesn't like it Yeah cause it seems like they're really rough with his wife Yeah it's also like an insult that some males who like pretend to be alpha males on Twitter Which by definition if you are violently tweeting you just look like a dumb Nancy Drew Yeah

In real life they call people like fake conservatives they'll call them cucks Oh interesting Yeah which fake conservatives means that you're not racist I thought it was like a chicken thing No that is actually the original cock yeah Oh okay Yeah Who is it a cluck?

Oh speaking of fucking idiots Speaking of animals my first two names on the shout out list today are animal related Marcus What are they? Bunny Anderson And Joel Fish I know Bunny Anderson she's from Atlanta Isn't that fun? Hail Satan

Bunny and Joel Let's see here I also got Ellie Brown thank you so much Ellie Ellie she lives in Portland she's gonna come see our show in Portland Oh awesome I can't wait for her Yes Ellie I'm gonna see you soon Yes and then you'll pay for it won't you Stay away from the show For what?

I don't know what he's talking about Marcus We got this guy Dylan Worley He's a great guy sounds like he's a fun person Kyle Babin Sophia Frost Laura Kelly David Young And Fresky

Fresky? Yeah Fresky I mean should I read the whole list now or You guys say another couple of names Yeah Seamus Stimpson hello Simon Woolley what's going on bro Simon Woolley How's the UK still fucking backwards

We'll see Simon Woolley in the United Kingdom of course Simon's one of our favorites Yes Timu Milamaki Alice Herman Shane Bagwell Nicholas Egnu Sam Jacobs

Allison Mahoney Les McGinnis what's going on bro Troy Woodette Bears Olivia McCray hi Hail Satan And Ben I gave five dollars Are you getting money to yourself?

Yeah Got John Lopez Ryan Glashing Joe Richter Joe Stanton Andrew Parker Danny www.seedenspark.com Slash studio slash crypto

Hillary Harris Tony Cole Callahan Breone Ward Adam Roberts I gotta say I got the coolest fucking names on the face of the planet This week Mike Hellbound

Hathaway Very fun Ingrid My middle name That's her last name is my middle name So that's probably a funny joke but I thought I'd get it I wonder what it is What is your middle name

Ingrid I don't know she's funny though Okay The Moonshoots So that sounds like something you have after a bad breakfast Andrew Russell Austin McNamara Thank you for Nam

Jill Skinner An old dirty debone Yeah Kimberley I fucked that up Buonorata Is that any better? I don't know

Gray Rogers Josh Center Miss Amelia Superhero Hale Satan you I know you Taylor Martin Marwan Abu Jowde

Hale Satan Hales Fuller Michael Trumov Hale Satan Brian Maul Gavion Peters Jennifer Devin Seth

Lou Bronshard Jason Chapa Mark Olongay Daniel Walker Pat Matthew Swan L. Howsey Riley Hinchel

Lila Shayak Ollie Ryan Andrew Mayman Andy Hutchings Alright I got Ashley Pillow That's kind of a fun place to put your head at night Michelle Derlith Lee Griffiths

Hannah Warren Alec Warren Alistair Scary Alistair Kevin Childers Shelby Robertson

Matt Back Matt Back Would you by any chance a high school wrestler for Aquinas? Okay Answer me back Did you guys have sex with each other? I didn't have sex with Matt Back a couple of times Brian Hawke

Jared Chavez Malitha Rob Deal What is the deal With Rob Deal You're such a dick I am going to commit Suicide

Suicide Good Norman and Pineda Cooper with Elhelma Dick Forge That's not a name Yeah it is I mean it is It's like whatever it is

Wow Daniel Platt Danielle Marlin I know you very well I'm really happy you're going to come to the Seattle show It's going to be so much fun I can't wait We're going to get drunk at each other

I know you like jizzies You fucking you Cause you're fucking stealing for Jackie And Mike The Cherry Henry what was the name of The guy with the name Dick That we talked about on the round table a gentleman

So drunk for all of those I don't remember I don't remember if they ever did that show Dick Bunt Not Dick Bunch Ronnie Dyke Ronnie Dyke I'll scissor you to death

I got Liz Ainsley Adam LaTouze Emily Johns Christopher Codina Drunken Brad Jeremy Hansen Hey Jeremy you're around a lot

David N. DeMelza Allison Webb Michael George O'Connor Daniel Ruff Neil Grimes Holland Reigns And Julian Maltaise

Julian Maltaise Go fuck yourself No Lever I love her Brian Hawk Jared Chavez You said that twice Did I say that twice?

Yep Okay Let's see Matt Back I'm reading the list upside down Alright Sarah S. Adam Krilly Jennifer McIntosh Leslie Gray Megan Byrne

Nora Wolinski Christine Belkin And Jesse Irene Thank you guys so much And last but not least we got Bryce Clousek Evan Mauer DeWayne Owens

Lucinda Boakman Oh Lucinda Boakman we're safe Joe Harvey Kaylee Williamson Claude Wilson Our favorite kid in all the universe What a good little boy he is What a tight tight little boy

I don't know about all of it He's a great kid Kaylee we also know she came to our show in Los Angeles and she is lovely Kaylee Kyle Rupert Megan Locapo She's around a lot

Christian Earnshaw Cred Kate McGranigan Bill Williams Suzy May Empire of Dreams Eric Postelweight Ah yes he's gone bro

Shelby Mow Aaron Atchinson Martin Martin That's great The conversationalist podcast Sarah Klass Derek Devereux Smith

Yeah he's gone bro Hey bro And Andres Andres Well I hope all of you are fertile I hope all of you make love this evening Eat a sugary snack just for fun Something cute

Break that diet Have a cheat day Cheat day And I hope that you don't die Well we all will Yes that's true not soon No we have long beautiful lives ahead of us Yes thank you so much

Thank you guys hail yourselves Hail Satan Ah hail game Hail me You bitches Magus Deletions