Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 245: Richard Chase Part I - The Cat Tree

Episode Date: October 27, 2016

It's Heavy Hitter time with one of the lesser known but most brutal killers out there, Richard Chase AKA the Vampire of Sacramento! It's the most blood-soaked series yet as we cover his early life as a MacDonald Triad poster boy, his LSD-fueled trips to the rabbit farm, and his first murder. Leopard Print Elevator Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Kool Kats Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creat

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? To the other day, I went to the dermatologist, right? And they were just like scouring my body. Like they were looking for coins in my fold.

They were just stunned. Yes. I guess I was unique. And I said, I kept going, Eureka! Every single time. They brought in all the students to take a look at the body. But he saw this mark on my body and he said, Oh, you actually have this mark here in your lower abdomen.

I really need to check it for a second and look at it. So I'm looking at it. It was a chocolate stain. I literally had it. Welcome to the last podcast on the left. I am Ben Kitzel. That's Marcus Parks. Chocolate stained Henry Zabrowski.

What was it? Where was the chocolate stain? On my belly underneath my clothes. So this implies you were eating a chocolate bar without a shirt on. Yeah. And then you had an itch and instead of washing your hands. No, what happened was, I could probably tell you exactly what was happening. I was in the middle of watching Kitchen Nightmares trying to shut my brain off at night. When I'm trying to meter how many sweets I eat,

I eat like little pieces of dark chocolate and they're very brittle. So when times I'm laying on the couch and I'll eat it, little piece of dark chocolate with something to break off, get lodged in my chest here because of course I'm eating in my underwear because of the end of the night. And then I guess in my sleep, my body warmth melts it. In the 17th, in the 1700s, that would make you a queen. Exactly. That would be a royalty. Everyone is so rich now.

They just get to live like that. I live like a little Duke. Oh my God. It's disgusting. All right, so today's episode is amazing. This dude is absolutely horrific. It's definitely a heavy hitter. Speaking of disgusting and covered in stains. Oh my God.

I don't think they found chocolate on this man's body. He's mostly covered in blood. He's the vampire of Sacramento and his name is Richard Chase. Yeah, we wanted to do someone really brutal. Someone really fucked up for this Halloween and Richard Chase. We covered him a little bit in our Real Live Vampires episode way, way, way back when. But we felt that this guy really deserved a full two episode treatment. He put the work in and he deserves to get some credit.

When it comes down to because you said that in our Reddit AMA, the worst thing in your life is not being recognized for your work while alive. That's correct. And he actually wasn't, unfortunately. Yeah, died in 1980, but we're going to give him a go anyway. Now we're four days away from Halloween. You could feel it in the air. This is Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, this is Halloween.

And this man is probably one of the scariest serial killers of all time. Well, he was more of a spree killer. Well, he was a spree slash serial killer. He was a bit of a hybrid. He actually killed about seven people over the span of a month in Sacramento, California in the winter of 1977. He was known as the vampire killer. He was known as the vampire of Sacramento.

He was known simply as Dracula. He got Dracula from his time spent in a mental ward as a child, which is a great nickname. That is the only thing that stops me from giving him a nerd alert is because he got the nickname in a mental ward. If he gave it to himself on the playground, oh, that means you will eventually be a choreographer later in your life because mostly it's because you like Kate.

There was a kid when I was in sixth grade who was quite a Dracula himself, but he didn't get quite the respect of Mr. Chase. Richard Chase was a schizophrenic. He was a cannibal. He drank blood. Didn't care where that blood came from and reportedly had a soft, high-pitched voice. Hmm, interesting. I like it.

His middle name was Trenton. Was it really? Yes. Richard Trenton Chase? Yes. They wanted him to be a lawyer, but then he just drank everybody's blood. He just thought that he didn't have enough blood inside of his own body.

That's the problem in the end is he just thought he didn't have enough blood. That's a sad thing to think. Yes, so Richard Chase's childhood was unstable, but by no means was it abusive. This is not a Henry Lee Lucas that we're talking about here. His parents fought and eventually divorced, but by all accounts Richard Chase got nothing but love and support from his parents. The worst anyone could say was that his dad was a little bit too strict every once in a while.

Like the three documentaries I watched, they all said the same shit where it's just being like the standard level of 1950s abuse happened in the home. So he got slapped around a bit and his parents and the divorce kind of used him a little coldly. They used him against each other and he was weird from the very start. Yeah. So his parents were both kind of like, maybe you could have an extra weekend. You know, he's insane.

He's really wanting to stay with dad this weekend. Well, that's good because I'm a court low on blood and daddy always gives me the blood. Daddy, I'm a vampire. I mean, yes, to put some perspective on it, all in the family took place in the 50s and that was considered just hilarious. And by today's standards, it's a horror sitcom. So Richard, as far as being a weird kid,

he did exhibit the McDonald's Triad, which meant that he was a bedwetter. He liked to start fires and most importantly, he liked to mutilate animals. He really liked to mutilate animals. Of course, the McDonald's Triad, for those of you who don't know, is the three conditions that a lot of serial killers suffer from when they are children. And it's different than the Ronald McDonald Triad, which is a hamburger's fries out of milk.

Oh, I was going to say the fish filet. So 1960, when Chase was 10 years old, his mother confided in a neighbor saying that she had found a cat buried in her flower boxes. The neighbor later recalled that she had remembered a large amount of cats going missing from the neighborhood while the Chase family was around. How many cats have to go missing in a neighborhood for you to remember it 20 years later? 21. 18 and going low.

No, no, no. I'm going low. What's the answer? A lot. A lot. A lot. Four. We all went over.

Maybe he was just trying to make a cat tree. You gotta plant a cat to make a cat tree. Another thing that was really weird is, well, not as weird. He had problems taking baths. He never cleaned up after himself whatsoever. He liked to live in his own filth. The other thing that was weird is that when he was left home alone in the house, he would turn the heat up to like 1995.

It was as hot as he could get it, remove all of his clothes and lie on the ground in the living room just sweltering with heat. I kind of like these little iguana. Yeah, it's kind of a minus when we were in that hotel room in Washington, D.C. and you would turn the heat up to 95 degrees. We walked in there and you were covered in sweat. You're like, I think my thermostat's broken. No, you're just fucking hammered.

You just turned up to 95 and you're asleep. I like it, huh, man? Higher the number, the more cozy you sleep. No, according to people that Richard went to high school with, he was popular both socially and romantically. Guy didn't have any trouble having friends, didn't have any trouble getting dates, but the problem Richard had with girls was that he was always impotent.

It is really very fucked up because also, you know, the word spread apparently is that he would go on dates with a couple of girls and he just couldn't get it up. He just physically could not and that's how important a penis is. The important, that's how important a penis is to a man is that if the penis doesn't work, he will murder. Because we see it with Andrew Chikatillo. He did the same thing where it's like something about the fury of it,

the social injustice of it, and also the fact that he was probably a budding schizophrenic, or we know for a fact that he was a budding schizophrenic, and that started to become an obsession of his. Well, the erectile dysfunction, that's where his obsession with blood began, because Richard learned in high school that a penis becomes rigid when the flaccid member is filled with blood following a rousal. So, C. Alice or Viagra really could have saved seven people's lives.

Do you think if he wasn't impotent, you never would have killed? I don't know. This is where this shit starts. When things start, you don't know if there's going to be another trigger that puts a person on the path. We talk about this again and again, that there are so many people out there that they are not serial killers by the grace of God. John Wayne Gacy may not have ever become a serial killer had he not taken that boy back to his house,

had the boy not made him breakfast, had John Wayne Gacy not confused the boy's breakfast knife for a murder knife and strangled him to death? John Wayne Gacy may never have been a serial killer. If the boy had just ghosted John Wayne Gacy, all of those other boys would still be alive. He just did it 36 more times? Or if he just took one summer vacation to San Francisco

and saw that people could live free someplace else, he'd be like, I'm just going to stay here. They were products of a time. I don't know what left or right turns these people make. But Richard Schizophrenia, you mentioned that. The Schizophrenia reason that if he were to drink blood, then that would fill up his penis with blood. That was the reason why he couldn't get hard

was because he didn't have enough blood. He didn't have enough blood! I'm sorry, Susie. I know it's been a lovely day. I'm so glad you come out with me. I know my penis is a bit of a pancake right now, but that just cause I'm about a quart low on blood. It's not a joke, though.

That's the sound I make when I'm sad. It's opposite day. Oh, that sounds sad. Okay, I'm going to end the day, I think. That's the sound I make when I'm happy. But that's not how you get blood into your bloodstream. Of course it's not how you get blood into your bloodstream. I just want to clarify that to anyone who does debate

maybe drinking blood. I did have a bit of that when I was eating the black pudding in Scotland. I hung over and just been like, I'm all chock full of it now. I'm a regular John Candy. So much blood in my damn skin. Everything tastes like iron over there.

So Richard's first attempt to fill his own penis with the blood of others came with a kitten he had gotten from his girlfriend's house. He took the kitten out back, killed it, and drank the blood straight from the animal. Next came a white dog, cleverly named Sabbath,

who Richard shot and tried to collect the blood pouring out of the holes with a Dixie cup. Well, that's just a comedy there. That is, if you plug one hole and then the blood goes out the other hole that you get, you know. He's just treating everybody like they're maple treats.

I mean, everywhere he goes, he just sees a bunch of canteens full of blood. It's kind of like in Looney Tunes cartoons when they're on the desert island and everybody turns into hams. Ooh, that means you're hungry. Now, to Richard's credit, he did actually go to a psychiatrist

about these problems. He knew something was wrong. He was told... One boy when he was drinking blood of the cat's butthole, he's like, I think there might be something wrong. He also was concerned about his own thoughts, because his thoughts were, you know, about the fact that his stomach was...

He certainly believed his stomach was put in backwards. It isn't as a kid where he was concerned about his blood. He was constantly talking about it. He went to the doctors and mostly he went thinking this doctor is going to help me fix my blood problem. But they're really listening to a kid rant about how they're like

basically show signs of severe psychosis and they were trying to like fuck with it. But at the time, when he was talking about hurting animals, he took the family dog and he would stab its paws. He would do it and he would try to cut off its feet and he would do stuff being like ah, doesn't it need shoes anymore?

Nothing it needed shoes before. God damn it, Richard! God damn it! So he... Poor dog. The doctors would, at the time, were like, oh, he's just fucking with animals. He'll grow out of this. He's just weird.

It was the 70's, right? This was 19, no, this was the late 60's. It makes more sense. The documentary I was watching, it said to... It's just called Richard Trenton Chase Suriocolor and there was a psychologist on there who was really fucking rough. He was just this British man who'd be like

Richard had a sexy little problem and it started as an early age. And the one thing you notice is that when Richard went to do high school he was a bit weird. He literally just said the terms and was like yeah! Yeah! I wish they would just cut to like

everyday psychologist and just a dude being like, he was fucked! He was fucked up! Nothing to do to save this guy. Well, Richard, when he went to the psychiatrist about his dick problems he was told that suppressed anger is the most common cause of

impotence, specifically anger directed towards women. And like Henry said earlier Andre Cicatillo, he suffered from this exact same thing. Andre Cicatillo, the ripper of the stuff that we covered way earlier, Russian serial killer,

he could only get hard during blood soaked, violent acts. Like I'm talking his was some of the most brutal kills that we have ever covered. These blood guys, not surprisingly are the absolute worst. They're the most violent

and they're the ones that are most obsessed with their penises. And I think I'm really glad you put this in here as a little caveat. Just remember that if you are impotent there are ways, many, many, many other ways to get over your impotence that does not involve murdering a woman or a man

ask your family doctor, go to your family doctor, ask them for more details, they will help you. Designate to solve this problem before they self-scoliosis before they've solved cancer, before they've stopped any sort of, any kind of problem. Learn to eat pussy. No, you can

you can get over your problems, learn to eat pussy and play with your assholes. Yeah, but he has to get hard. Now regarding Chase he had many other symptoms that we see in serial killers from pathological lying to theft showing no remorse or embarrassment

for any of it when he was caught in the act which he was again and again. Now after a non-remarkable stint at the local junior college Richard moved out of his parent's house in 1970 at the age of 20 and moved in with two girls, one he knew from high school

and another he had met since graduating. I mean to be fair, a remarkable stint at a junior college means that you participated in the most upper-deckers in the door you shat in the most toilet tags and everyone loved you, like that's a remarkable junior college guy. You were the

guys that took apart the dean's car and put it on top of the ethics building. What is a remarkable junior college experience? But he lived with two girls, which is really strange first of all because he was a wiry, filthy, fucked up, already very very strange

individual, but he also sort of reminds me of like when two girls moved to New York and then they end up living with some modern dancer you know what I mean? And he's just got like one of those moustaches shaved so it actually goes all the way down his neck to his chest hair like one of those guys. Yeah, all connected.

Now the girls that Richard Chase lived with described him as a filthy human being flat out refused to take a shower and never washed his clothes. See when they moved in with him he had not gotten rid of all of his friends. He was a weird guy, yes

but when they moved in he was still I mean it was 1970 you know people were weird, people were strange, they could deal with that, they thought like okay yeah Richard's a little weird he's maybe a little grimy, but we can deal with him. He was also a small time drug dealer. Yeah. So that helped too

is that he had a lot of, that was a part of how he made his little money is that he would get because he got obsessed with weed and acid like in high school and so he started, once you're hanging on that crowd it's easy to have some friends because everybody's looking for somebody to smoke weed with and drop acid with and

most of the time it's going to be a guy like Richie. Yeah, it does seem like one of the, he seems like one of those drug dealers who hangs out on the couch for five hours after he sells you the 20 bag and then he smokes most of it. This is pretty good weed, right? You know the last weed I had

it really made me feel like my blood was bigger but I don't really know if that's a sativo or an indica. It's gotta go this weed is making me feel more like I'm a teapot filled with organs. I gotta get some writing done. Yeah! I'm having a good time!

Okay. Yup and when he was living with the girls that is when his really hard core drug use came into play you know most people you can smoke a lot of weed, you can drop acid a few times and be absolutely totally fun, totally cool

but those of you out there with schizophrenic tendencies like Richard Chase should probably shy away from the hallucinogenics. Now it's impossible to know if Chase would have gone as far as he did had he not spent the late 60's and early 70's dropping acid, smoking

weed every day and doing a lot of speed but we can definitely say that it did not help. The Grateful Dead were not a good band but they had a very long career and that shows that you can do all of these things and have at least longevity. Look at George Clinton

hmm but he was actually very talented and he used crack cocaine and that gives him crack cocaine and that gives you the motivation and that shows that if you switch from acid to crack then you could be president.

Yeah sure, of course and most people can but if you have already intense psychological problems, specifically stuff like schizophrenia and whatnot, hallucinogens specifically acid are going to send you over the edge

like it did Richard Chase. But look on the bright side, think about how much money you're saving on drugs. God gave you acid in the brain to start with. One night Richard boarded up his bedroom door locked himself in the closet and boarded that door up too

when asked why he did it he said it was because quote People were sneaking up on me from the inside So yeah Richard again thank you so much for bringing that whole bowl of insects to the potluck the other night

the utilities are due I don't believe in electricity my eyes see everything what do I need to plug in things for? I got ears I got feet I just wish they weren't on backwards Again

please go But can you just one dime bag before you go Another time he walked out of his room completely nude sat down and started talking nonsense to his roommates actually we've all had that happen to a college roommate at one point

Ben are you about to say that I'm just saying at this point he reminds me a lot of a young up-and-coming comedian in New York City named all of us might know it doesn't seem like it's that horrific at this point he's just having a good time my friend actually did

the exact same thing in college while tripping nuts he boarded himself in his room Friday until Sunday he had a lot of drugs in the room and another time during the party he spent during a party he spent the whole night wriggling on the floor moaning and making strange noises

I'm dancing this is my dancing I'm having a good time anybody want to play twister I do it without the board he's good at it I mean other than the screaming about blood and people attacking him from the inside this is all pretty normal collegiate activities

I mean this is like 1970 activities he's sorta like Kramer yeah he's a lot like Kramer because also one of his roommates boyfriend had a band and they would come practice and they always had this problem with Richie coming in there with bongos he wouldn't he found these bongos and he tried to play

bongos along with the band and they eventually had to kick him out because he sucked at the bongos they were like well we can't actually have him he was like Yoko Ono he was like Yoko a little Andy Kaufman asked if that band was smart they would have seen that he was going to be a killer kept him in the band and they would be famous today

yeah they really would be the thing is about Richard Chase though that's different from a lot of these guys that we know just these weirdos that couldn't really handle their drugs these girls were terrified of Richard Chase yes of course they were like his hostages yeah they were pretty much his hostages and

they were afraid to even approach the possibility of asking him to leave so they just abandoned the apartment they just left and didn't look back imagine if Dahmer had roommates yeah it's like the same thing a young Dahmer a person because

he hasn't even hit the big leagues of his killing sprees yet this is just the eggs of his killing sprees I could see Richard Chase pulling a Kevin Spacey at the end of usual suspects though and just like going into the shower as soon as they leave cleaning up like perfect plan

unfortunately ladies I am actually a billionaire from Spain and if you had just stayed with me till January the first you would have both each made ten million dollars but that teaches you to not trust your fellow man

now excuse me I must dance to my favorite song turn on talking head starts rolling around on the ground I'm dancing I'm dancing it's a twist something about him like no one is so rich like something that's got to change

I think it's the being super rich part I like him a little bit now it's around this time that Richard started complaining the shit was going wrong in his body and one of his complaints about his body made any sense whatsoever he said that his heart

would stop beating every once in a while just for little periods of time he said that his stomach had been turned around backwards and he said that bones were growing out of the back of his head now I have been in

this is a bit of a too real moment for me as to what can happen is that I've had very intense anxiety episodes where I've thought that I've forgotten how to breathe like I put myself in the emergency room for a very very dark panic attack where I just couldn't I thought I couldn't control my body

when the hell did you do that? when the first couple years I had moved into New York so I understand this sort of that break in reality where you start thinking that horseshit but what happened was I went to the emergency room to turn myself in because I thought I went to tell the doctors that I had forgotten how to breathe to turn yourself in

basically I went in there and an old man came in being helped by his son into the emergency room they were helping him out helping him out another thing and the son turned to the father and he was just like are you just standing here for a second while I get the doctor he leaves the father just hits the ground face first and he's dead

they literally the two EMTs come up pick them up put them up on the stretcher start hitting them with the paddles and shit in front of me while I'm in mid panic attack and then my panic attack just went away because I was like oh I'm a fucking moron you're fine so so

this is you we've been doing the podcast for a couple years now this is you saying this is me saying right now this is the best he's ever been this is the most together I've ever been I had a chocolate stain on me so deeply embedded in my skin that my dermatologist

thought it was cancer as Ben slowly walks out of the room of course Richard all of his imagined medical ailments his filthiness it sounds very medieval yeah it is like he needs to be blood leaded I mean who knows he might have found

a book on you know medieval scientific practices and he took that as fact you don't know what sorts of things a schizophrenic mind might glom onto but that is true he did have anatomy books that he was obsessed yeah they were modern anatomy books yeah so he was looking at pictures of the human body

and he just became fixated on himself because obviously he felt like something was wrong like he knew something was wrong he's drinking blood he's screaming his dancing is more like an epileptic seizure he knows he doesn't fit in and so he's thinking right now it's a physical problem

yeah and all of this made him extremely difficult to live with what do you mean yes I can see that I would like to also see Richard Chase on soul what was it soul not soul plane soul train soul train I remember soul train that is a

classic 40 year old reference perfect that's right around the time it's timely to chase of course like I said makes him very difficult to live with so after bouncing between his mother and father's places for a while because of course

he lost his apartment after the two girls moved out he was eventually sent to Los Angeles to live with his grandmother here Richard spent what we assume to be a fairly unremarkable year driving development developmentally disabled kids back and forth

to the school that his grandmother helped they just let him drive the short bus they just gave him the word of all of these children him just driver I'm like you guys want to get ice cream just bleeds all over

we're not getting ice cream we're going to the blood store pull into the ice cream shot he's like alright fresh hot blood for everyone I'm sorry but I think that this is really ice cream you don't know what the fuck you're talking about your brain is a

turnip have some blood I mean it is truly horrifying stuff this guy should not be driving a bus full of other he should be driving a car with just himself in it he drove the short bus to and from school every day for a year

did he ever try to get any of these kids blood I feel like they might be easily targeted he hadn't moved on to he wasn't he wouldn't move on to humans for another four years his poor grandmother no I mean you were your grandmother whenever they send you the kid

it's never good no never once it's always either your children have died and there's no one to raise them and or it's the secret garden and he has a wasting disease and he has to come out there to spend times in the country air because the city air is making his eyes cloud

that's it also during this time period he had lived with her once previously during this like he is a terror at home and a terror everywhere he's going he is he was doing shit where he was constantly in and out of the doctor's

office and the mental asylum they were checking him in looking at him they were just talking he was constantly being sort of monitored but everyone just saying he's just being weird he showed up at his mom's house screaming about how there were people following him took the phone from she was trying to call

the hospital to have them come pick him up took the phone from her beat her with the phone they like so things had come to a head he was already weird at his grandma's house it just at this last stint at his grandma's house things got really weird yeah so shortly after his return

Richard ended up in the American River Hospital where he told doctors that his heart and kidneys had stopped working his pulmonary artery had been stolen and then his blood had just stopped flowing completely and this is also after Richard's been wandering around his grandma's house for weeks

literally going you're a good boy Richard you're a good boy and that's real like him going you're a good boy good boy and then he would wrap his head in towels and saran wraps filled with orange slices oh that's kind of funny he's like a little

glass of water and this is when doctors finally diagnosed him as a schizophrenic it took a while it took a while it took it took until like 1973 or 74 for them to finally diagnose him officially as a schizophrenic

they told his mother they said he needs treatment he needs care but he's not a danger to himself or others so they released him back into the wild and to be fair to the doctors at this point yeah he probably wasn't a danger to himself or others he was just a pain in the ass weirdo but they

didn't know they did know about him sucking the blood out of cats and dogs right they didn't oh he didn't mention that he didn't mention any they didn't know about any of that on this visit because he took a few different visits to the mental asylum and real and this one he didn't mention any of that stuff it was more of an in and out thing

and this was actually just a hospital he wouldn't go into the mental asylum full force until about a year later and he got even more delusional once he left the American river hospital he accused his mother of poisoning

his food he said that she was controlling his mind and all of these complaints were made to an imaginary friend that Richard had made I mean he sounds just like Eminem that's like 90% of Eminem's raps are about the exact same thing interesting so after

all this Richard's parents decided the best thing to do would be to get Richard his own apartment is the best thing to do absolutely definitely isolate him I think it's really really important to take someone who's obviously very sick

covered in blood a lot of the time killing animals just let him have some hem time now that you're officially diagnosed as a schizophrenic it's time you get your independence I don't need anybody I'm like my own butler and also my own maid and my own security guard and my own deep

dark lord of the malevolence we'll just be going now okay goodbye so Richard spit his days riding his bike back and forth to the local rabbit farm Richard would buy a rabbit bring it home butcher it and either eat the rabbit raw

specifically the entrails drink the blood or throw both into the blender and liquefy them and drink the whole thing down oh smoothie he definitely had a lot of iron he did he was kind of healthy in a strange way and all this was done because Richard

believed that his heart was shrinking and that heart would disappear eventually if he didn't do anything about it now psychology expert Christina says that this is an example of cotard syndrome and cotard syndrome occurs when

a person believes that they are a walking corpse or are alive and riding from the inside or are missing important pieces of anatomy like blood or organ I thought that was being a comedian yeah I mean the first two I think are completely accurate aren't

we just riding from the inside and walking corpses sort of we're all pre corpses yeah Jesus you fucking guys I also want to say the people who do own the rabbit farm must have loved Richard Chase what a business you know what I like about him is that he'll not just buy

the big ones he'll buy the small ones and the sick ones that's great cotard syndrome this is just a little side note this is also related to an asian culture bound syndrome called Kuro in which a man believes that his penis is shrinking and when his penis is gone

the man will die that is also true and the only cure for Kuro is for the man to gorge on the penises of other animals I think the important word in that sentence is gorge yeah I mean what is this idea that you could if you eat a

dick you're gonna get a dick I don't replace a dick yeah like you're fucking inspect their gadget it's not how it works and there's a female version too except they believe that their nipples are disappearing and when their nipples fully disappear they will die I think

that the human that I think that the female breast can be beautiful without the nipple you don't need a nipple I do like it though I'm a nipple the nipples like my favorite part but if it was lost due to injury or illness they still find them to be beautiful yeah you can put a little smiley face on it

you can just draw a nipple on it you can put a smiley face on it now and the nipples the nose yeah you can do that if it wants to wear glasses that's how you do it I put two eyeballs over it so it looks like a surprise face so anyways anyways one night Richard's dad walked into

Richard's apartment to find Richard sitting on his couch pale as the dickens and only wearing shorts and Richard told his dad that he had bought a bad rabbit thought that he had food poisoning because his dad would go over there to play cards with him right and they were like hang out all time

and his dad kept noticing he kept having these these cages jam with rabbits sure and he asked him what are you doing with these rabbits and he's like I'm eating them father oh jinn I've got jinn I guess it's what you do a lot of people eat rabbits it's not that crazy it's not what

you do rabbits obviously you do not take rabbits and butcher them in your one bedroom apartment in Sacramento not usually Richard has a documented problem with blood drinking yes if you have one of those specific

problems it seems to be in my mind you would not just having a bunch of just because at this point they're not even rabbits anymore I understand people who keep pets and stuff and they love them and they if they die or if they eat them where you want to have symbiosis with a butcher and you're eating the animals that you're

taking care of he just viewed them as socks of blood with feet no I understand they were like juice boxes yes I get that he's living like Lenny from of mice and men if Lenny was in the city if Lenny was a vampire well he didn't get the chance to be a vampire did he because he was murdered

wasn't he in cold blood so then if he was a vampire it was like George was a little Van Helsing so yeah the dad turns over to Richard's place Richard's pale says he bought a bad rabbit rabbit says he has food poisoning so they go to

the hospital and when doctors examine Richard they found that he was indeed sick but it wasn't from food poisoning rather it was blood poisoning brought on because Richard had injected himself with the blood of a rabbit because he thought that he had eaten a rabbit who had eaten battery acid

and that battery acid had seeped through the walls of his stomach into his flesh and the only thing that could cure the battery acid rabbit blood was clean rabbit blood this is the second worst case we've seen today the first worst case was this Henry Zabrowski he came in covered in chocolate

I'm like Augustus Gloop now after the rabbit acid incident Richard was finally committed to a mental institution how many years does it take I guess it takes a solid dozen visits

how many rabbits must be drained of blood and injected into this man's body before they get him help two days later he escaped by running out of the front door well shut the door he is very skinny he was slippery he ran out of the front door

he didn't sneak out the window like Bundy there's so many times when he is just running away and he is very slippery he is very hard to get a hold of because he's literally slick with blood so reiterate again we're having a good time with all this stuff

as normal we have our chuckles we laugh this man is real this shit is real he was literally covered in blood he was real he was an actual person all this stuff is true this is 100% true this is where he got the nickname Dracula

he was transferred to they caught him they brought him back let's go to a place with a lock on the front door they transferred him to a different facility where he earned the nickname Dracula because Richard when he talked he only talked about blood he literally only talked about blood

and killing animals he said that rabbits he liked killing rabbits because they were like little machines I do like this get rid of that twilight idea of Dracula get rid of the Gary Oldman the sexy Dracula this is Dracula this is like the Nosferatu Dracula

this is like hiding in a ditch jumping out and grabbing people by the neck and talking about it what so ever I do like this story he was killing animals within the hospital and they said well they found him they found him one day with fresh blood all over his face and they checked his room

and they found birds with their necks broken inside of his windows he was ripping off their heads and sucking the blood out of them and they said Richard what the hell is going on here meanwhile he's matted with feathers and blood they were like Richard what's going on here what have you been doing here and he's like I cut myself shaving

that is true story that's like a cartoon cat trying to eat Tweety Bird but it's like the real version of that so he's just hiccuping feathers and he is living like a loony tunes but with all of the gore associated with real loony tunes interesting

Chase likely suffered from what is now known as Renfield syndrome named after the Dracula character who ate bugs to try to absorb their power Renfield syndrome admittedly it is not in the DSM-5 but it is an acceptable

diagnosis for somebody who is constantly talking about covering themselves with and getting hard from blood I mean if he could have just I don't even know I don't even know what he could have done

maybe just fill a tub with blood and go in it every now and again how do you get the blood all the rabbits eventually you gotta get the blood maybe you can get blood I mean when I was in Wisconsin deer hunting he would have loved it buckets and buckets of blood he could have played with

yeah but that's only a couple of times per season oh no and you have to catch the deer we go back home we got a deer problem we got a call coming up that motherfucker could kill like 5 or 6 deer a day he would have enough blood to last him through the winter

well bully for you he would have been happy in Texas he actually probably would have been we would have given him a job just go to the slaughterhouse he gets a job like the hitchhiker in Texas chainsaw master like a chop top get him a job at the slaughterhouse

absolutely and he loves a dry heat yeah and you don't gotta pay him in cash cause he's already getting paid in what he loves he doesn't understand money doesn't need it so renfield syndrome has three stages the first is the patient cutting themselves

and drinking their own blood the second is the Zofagia stage in which a person consumes animal blood the third stage is of course moving on to the blood of humans never get to the third stage don't do the second stage

well I mean you could stay at the second stage I like a rare steak you're not drinking you're eating the steak that's not blood that's something different all together you guys don't ring it out of your mouth like it's a towel filled with fucking booze you're not a dirty table the third stage

is of course moving on to the blood of the humans which Richard Chase would graduate to soon after his release on September 29th 1976 this release was against the strong disapproval of everyone on the staff except

for Richard's doctor who said he had developed quote good socialization and had a realistic view of his problems he's draining birds of blood in his room well meanwhile the whole time Richard's also screaming I'm here for food poisoning like you guys just are broken me here

because I had a stomach ache like he's screaming like that but his mom also had a very big they had a very traditional Irish Catholic household where the problems were there but no one wanted to talk about them and so what they had here was

a sense of denial extreme because the mom was instrumental in getting him out a lot of the time she would go and say he doesn't belong in there I can take care of him at home but meanwhile she would get him he would be a hassle for a couple of days

and then they would send him back to his apartment where they were renting for him and not only that but she eventually weaned him off of his medication because she said he didn't need it weaned him off the blood but she said he walked around like a zombie problems again it's the 1970s

they don't have the same the medication at the time is literally just stupefying them like a coma like state walking around but mostly because he wasn't in a coma he cut people's fucking faces off he should walk around like a zombie

that's what he is he's a zombie Dracula because that's how schizophrenia medication works it blocks the flow of dopamine certain schizophrenia medications it blocks the flow of dopamine into the brain which is what fuels the schizophrenia so which is why

certain schizophrenia medications may make somebody feel a little bit and look a little bit like a zombie but a zombie is better than somebody walking around with a bunch of like rabbit heads strong around his neck fucking string

it depends if he was in the forest or something maybe he's the king who knows I used to take some medication as well and I feel the same way it did sort of zombify you but what was the character trait that his mother so badly wanted to get back in Richard Chase

was she like Richard you're just not like the same you know filled covered monster you used to be what did she want? he's dancing I remember when he used to shake on the ground where's that Richard? dance like no one should be watching and they also the court awarded them

a conservatorship after Richard was released this last time from the mental health ward but they just allowed it to expire and he was so Richard Chase it's August 1977 he's off his medication

his own mother has told him that he does not need it that he is fine without it he is living alone his parents are paying his rent but barely checking in on him so shit's about to go bad and what's important too as much as he did horrible

shit as we'll find out Richard Chase was also in an incredible amount of pain this is a person that's constantly suffering the other it's either between coma and suffering this person is like there's something about that that will cause somebody to pop eventually

in some way shape or another either running out in a traffic or as we see killing seven people yeah no one wants to change places with Richard Chase God knows what's going on in his head there's no way that he loves himself in any way or whatever so on August 3rd 1977 tribal police were called

out after a car had been reported abandoned near Pyramid Lake on the Walker River Reservation in Nevada there they found a 1966 Ford Ranchero with a bumper sticker that said I'd rather be flying cool stuck in the sand

tell me do you have any of the bumper stickers that say I'd rather be drinking blood in order to get more blood inside of my own penis well Richard we have this one that says I'd rather be flying I'll take it outside the car they found a loaded 30 30 rifle

and a 22 rifle both stained with blood that's the other thing we didn't quite bring up his fascination with guns ah yes it has been building up throughout this whole thing because during this is also a part of California where there are a lot of people taking pot shots at shit they have this thing called

skiffling they would shoot into a river that's it that's the game that's the game is that a game you ever done it skiffling or shooting into a river yeah you ever done it in a river I'll throw dynamite in the river shoot the river shoot the river can't kill water you throw shit out into the river

you throw like melons out well now we're talking yeah you don't tell me that yeah I thought you were just shooting the water I mean you can do that you can shoot the water there is something satisfied about seeing the water jump it's just really rough when you're like uncle draws a bunch of Asian looking faces on them being like we brought the war home right there's a non flashback

right in front of your eyes no well that's very good a perfect storm of events yeah and Richard was able to get you know guns very easily very easily yeah I mean extremely easily okay and next to the guns was a pair of bloody tennis shoes and a blood soaked

pile of clothes and on the floor of the car was a white plastic bucket with a liver inside sitting in a pool of fresh blood now using their binoculars the tribal police spotted Richard Chase

naked perched on a large rock about a half mile away when the cops approached him he took off like a shot but was soon caught by a police officer on an ATV he was covered in blood smeared across his chest and face

under his armpits and poured into his ears when the cops asked him where the blood came from Richard said it's seeping from me God and Chase was taken back to the station for questioning

and it was found out the deliver actually belonged to a cow and not a human he was let go once more four months later just a few days after Christmas Richard Chase would commit his first murder now there's a couple of insects

so he was not well not even close I do love the fact that they literally just can't keep them and again the excuse is you can't arrest somebody for being weird which is true and it's also

1977 was there a farmer that this cow belonged to that would want to press charges no way to check there's one cow with its guts ripped out that can go missing that can go undiscovered for years

wolves he is the wolf but apparently in hindsight the police didn't check his records and they said if they had really checked his records and see how many times he'd been checked into mental hospitals if they had really done an exhaustive thing on a researcher to him they probably

would have held him but at the time there's so many hippies wandering around so it's like he looks like he's got long scraggly hair he's out there weird he is obviously on either he didn't appear to be on drugs he wasn't on drugs but he definitely appeared to be on drugs I mean he's a naked white man

on an Indian reservation perched on a rock he's gonna be oh okay yeah that guy's on drugs he's on drugs so let him fucking kick him out of here I'm sick of having these guys in the cells cause all they do is sing fucking Jefferson Starship and I'm sick of hearing that song about who built this thing yeah who did build it though

I guess he should have been on drugs that would have helped him out I guess now his first attempt Richard Chase's first murder attempt would be actually unsuccessful on December 27th 1977 a woman named Dorothy Polinsky was doing her dishes

at 6 30 p.m. when she heard a sharp pop followed by breaking glass and immediately felt a streak of heat pass right above her skull the bullet had passed through the tight bun Dorothy wore her

hair in and it lodged itself in the back of an open kitchen cabinet that bullet would match the gun that Chase would use the very next day now there is some belief here that the reason why he started amplified to this point is that his parents would not

let him home for Christmas and this led distinctly from an act in which he took the family cat blew its brains out in front of his mother and smeared the blood all over himself and told the father that he shot the cat in the head

didn't tell him the whole story about smearing the blood all over himself like he was hiding himself in a camouflage of a wall of blood and so they said no more he can't be at the house anymore he came in for a couple of days that was like the 20th of December

he cut his hair he shaved he started dressing normally he started acting really normally like I'm feeling better he started talking about looking for a job meanwhile he is getting guns buying ammo

over the next couple of days so he premeditated all of this shit it started happening in his head and then he started firing at people and it's even more terrifying because the music of the time on the radio just be like jingle bells and like Santa's sleigh no it's awesome

in a bad way so this is all Christmas music playing this entire time yeah so on December 28th Chase took his Ford Ranchero to the streets of Sacramento with his 22 in hand to try again not too far from Chase's apartment

Richard drove by and spotted 51 year old Ambrose Griffin unloading groceries from the trunk of his car Ambrose's wife later reported that she heard two loud pops she turned around to see her husband slump to the ground while the first bullet

missed the target completely the second hit Ambrose right in the chest so he didn't have a desire to kill women necessarily it didn't matter there was no but it did not matter at all who was killed

he didn't take that lack of boner rage and blame women for it he did sort of internalize it he's been thinking about it for a long time so he's starting to scratch and then you kind of see where those feelings come from just doing little mayhem bits

and he also had been walking up to people's homes another part of the lead up here is that he's been walking and stalking people and they said they would see him around the neighborhood in people's backyards staring at them through the windows Michael Myers he started really doing the thing

that we talk about with all serial killers allowing himself the little things that will build towards murder and this is one of those periods he was very ill sort of that Robert Durst in the jinx when he just starts going outside of his brother's house on a regular basis

another weird fact about Ambrose being shot is that he got shot and his family were like he's having a heart attack and then he was just like I've been shot and they're like he's having a heart attack like they were literally just not listening he's like listen at me

you know his wife every dinner he was just like every wife or every dinner he's like I'll have a second steak and he's like you're gonna have a heart attack one of these days yeah I'm more likely getting shot in the chest I just don't want him to be right now this being a completely

random killing cops were desperate for any clues and what did desperate cops do in the 70's when they didn't have any leads they brought in the hypnotist hello I will solve your crime using the power of the mind power of the mind

black walla you're a chicken a one two three presto now you think you're a cardboard box ha ha how many are dead well we couldn't find a group of teenagers with a talking dog one two three now you don't want to smoke cigarettes anymore

hypnotize easy to do that'll do the reason why they brought in the hypnotist was that a 12 year old boy was shooting a guy in his mid 20's had fired a gun at him from a brown Pontiac Trans Amp the boy couldn't remember

any other details besides that so the hypnotist was brought in now pay attention to the hypnotist and a one you're feeling sleepy and a two my hand is upon your knee ignore it number three hand slowly moving up to a hip pocket

number four slowly going to sleep you do not care that my hand is in the band of your pants number five you have to be a pedophile Henry good God can you have one character that doesn't end I don't mean it to me you made it up

that is kind of where your mind always goes we got to break him out of it Marcus I don't know what to do with what got into him just something about boys that you just can't stop talking if you do anything wrong we are all going to be complicit because these are all warning signs we're supposed to pick up on a boy is just a man

all right we're moving on we are moving on after a long session the boy were called a license plate number two one nine EEP but as you know Richard Chase he's a ranchero guy you know that what so he's like

he said he had like one of those vanity plates that said like too legit ranchero I'd rather be in my ranchero I would love to see him do a commercial for them sometimes I ride my ranchero around it's kind of feel like my blood is

enough you ever feel your blood's not enough you know what Becky they're just really fuel efficient I think I'm going to buy one so since Richard he's a ranchero guy that lead went nowhere and nothing else would be known of the identity

of the killer until Richard was caught and so next week we will be back with some of the most brutal some of the most disgusting some of the most

disturbing murders that we have ever covered I mean Albert Fish it's a long game like think about Albert Fish just like say like radio head like they put out like I do think about that like acquired taste

and with all the with all the metal rods of his butthole he could probably be a radio you hang up you just set him up next to an amplifier there will be interference actually no I'd say Albert Fish kind of like the talking heads long storied career really consistent throughout

yeah Richard Chase is like television two fucking amazing albums bam bam and then out I'd say he's more like a huba stink I mean the analogy I'm going to say he's like limp biscuit because he couldn't get hard

interesting Fred Durst can't get hard no Fred I have no idea actually we did look at one of those sites one days like that remember when we were on our way to Ed's mom's funeral we were on our way to Ed's mom's funeral and we were looking at a vlog because people deal with grief differently

yes I forget what Fred Durst was he was average he was average and then who was the one that was really good slash had a good one yeah oh most of them Danzig I believe had a very tiny yeah Danzig had a tiny anyway okay so Richard Chase

we are getting to the yeah the next episode is going to be grisly and brutal this was a great background information though on this guy I just hope you guys feel that you have enough blood because you do if your roommate dances on the floor but like his back is on the floor then you got to

you got to kick him out unless they're like a b-boy yeah and they're professionally trained dancing on the floor yes this is one of those times where we can literally say the magic is inside of you the entire time believe in yourself alright amazing can't wait for next week

you can get pills for your dick yes don't kill just don't kill anybody ever for any reason I want to thank everybody we want to thank everybody we did the reddit ask me anything this week and I mean it was amazing we had so many questions Marcus you said we got a bunch of upvotes yeah we were

on the front page of reddit it was fucking amazing I know you two don't care but this is huge I mean of course I care I don't know what it means yeah neither one of you guys know really know what that means but yeah it's it's a pretty yeah it's a pretty big deal because I always read in this morning there was like a picture

of a dog on there you know what I mean it's like are we the dog? no way past was Richard Chase drinking the dog's blood? no it was like a dog and it was just like this dog has got a face like Bob's Burgers and it was just like up there and it was way past this enough seriously we almost broke the cave comedy

radio website from all the people that went and checked us out thanks everyone for asking questions we got to as many as we could in the time that we had next time we do it we're going to do it for a lot longer and get to a lot more of your questions thank you guys so much for participating in that that was fucking amazing

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