Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 246: Richard Chase Part II - Mrs Dracul

Episode Date: November 3, 2016

It's our bloodiest episode yet on Last Podcast as we round out our coverage of the Vampire of Sacramento with an absolutely horrific five-victim murder spree that ranks among the most disgusting and d...isturbing ever recorded in the annals of American crime. Vicious Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Killers Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecomm

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There's no place to escape to this is the last talk on the left What about that one oh gives me that one now when I get upset I just go back into landslides in my head Oh, that's what I discovered we ever get really upset. Just just become the song landslides for about 30 seconds I love Stevie Nicks and slides bring you down. Oh, I should have worn a diaper All the cocaine of my butthole made it real big. Oh, I'm sorry the mic is on That ruin this take all right welcome to the last podcast on the left everybody. I am Ben kissle. That's Marcus part I'm Stevie Nicks. Hey Stevie. Thanks so much for being here. How you doing you recovering from the hard relationship? Yeah, that was pretty sad about it, but now I'm a witch woman
Starting point is 00:00:59 But I heard about Stevie Nicks and what's really cool is that when she goes into hotel rooms. She puts various colored like Like sashes Scars all over everything in order to make it her environment And I think that that is a thing that I'm gonna start doing but instead of scarves is gonna be old fast food bags Oh, I think you already do that. Don't you yes Amazing well speaking of hotels. We want to thank the Benson ball. What a great weekend. We had yeah over in Washington, DC We had an amazing weekend out there. We went to the DC improv sold out show
Starting point is 00:01:30 Yeah met so many amazing fans after the show you guys are fucking amazing. You're the best Yeah, and we went got fancy whiskey takes taste things Marcus and I and we drank a hundred year old booze I went to I went to a bar with the fans called the big hunt Emphasis on the H. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know why they named it that All right, so yeah, thanks everyone for coming out to Washington, DC and just so everybody knows we have a second show Booked in Portland. We did we're doing an early show now So if you guys missed out on the first show go get tickets at cave company radio comm slash live It's interesting that we're doing the plugs first. I know so like today
Starting point is 00:02:07 I'm gonna channel the fans right now and be like get to the death Um this episode is going to be a problematic fate that's another term I've learned from tumblr. That is a this is going to be um very difficult to swallow This is Richard Chase part 2 Richard the vampire of Sacramento chase Which you don't get that nickname for just wearing a cape. I'm gonna say the nickname seems large Richard the back the The Sacramento vampire chase that's a lot to say. Yeah. Yeah, he did a lot He crammed a lot in there He lived a Vlad Dracul lifestyle at about five days and that's hard to do very
Starting point is 00:02:49 Because Vlad Vlad the Dracul's whole lifestyle took a lot of infrastructure. By the way, if you call him Dracul's I'm allowed to say oofos No, his name is Vlad Dracul. Oh, it sounds like a dumb Nestle chocolate drink. He's Romanian All right, so Richard Chase part 2 Marcus. What do we got? All right We left off after the murder of Ambrose Griffin the drive-by murder Richard Chase's very first victim in between the first murder and the second Chase's bloodlust Intensified a neighbor named Don Larson saw him carry three animals on Different occasions into his apartment two dogs and a cat respectively. She never saw the animals ever again
Starting point is 00:03:29 It's like he was running his own hot dog factory. That's awful. I mean, I feel like it's one of the one of the lost comic strips of Marmaduke You know when Marmaduke was abducted by Richard Chase. Oh, you're you're a pretty big dog I bet you got just enough blood to make me normal again Oh, God, he's just so full of antics You're knocking over my blender. That's the baby guts. I had it. You're ruining my Wednesday Marmaduke Um, so let's talk about this a little bit so between his first murder when he shot Ambrose It's last name Ambrose correct Ambrose Griffin Ambrose Griffin when they shot him
Starting point is 00:04:09 It's like this was sort of a him testing himself He had build up at this point We know he had started shooting things around the neighborhood. He had bought a gun and between that and then he shot his neighbor, right? He got a thrill because it was like a neighbor of his. Oh, this is all within like a mile of his apartment, right? And so he walked around this time kind of amping himself up in the meantime He's also trying to be super normal to his family. He shaved. He's cut his hair He's rocking around saying like I'm really thinking about getting a job But they don't understand that that job is actually being a vampire which also is interesting
Starting point is 00:04:41 You don't need an application for no you don't whatever it is. It's it's signed in blood though. Yes And he started up purchasing animals up into this point Yes, he was he was taking it and so to a point where he was starting getting crossed off a list at pet stores Also dogs would viciously bark at him on the street Like literally he would go to adopt new animals if he was gonna kill and the animals would recoil from him like they were Reading something from him. This is a very dangerous person. He's already killed one person And so apparently he he adopted a dog over a thing like Craigslist through a classified ad He got the dog back to the house killed it drank its blood then called the woman and described how the dog died
Starting point is 00:05:22 Anonymously from pay phones and saying all this like fucked up shit stuff only she would know quote-unquote about the dog Which I don't know what that is But yes up to so he's really amping himself up Yeah, I gotta say these pet store employees didn't seem to be doing their jobs How many cats do you need in a week before you get crossed off the list you got one dog every five years? That's the rule So in January 23rd 1978 Richard Chase decided it was time to get up close and personal with his first human blood victim He began at 2909 Burnie Street walking up to the house of a woman named Jean Layton
Starting point is 00:05:57 And he tried her patio door the door was locked So he moved on to the windows when he found that they were locked as well He went to the back door where Jean was staring out the two came face to face through the glass And she said that he stared at her with no emotion as if he was looking at a car He was thinking about buying I have a lot of emotion when I think about purchasing something Yeah buying a car is extremely emotional seems fun Yeah, so he then lit a cigarette and walked away through her backyard from Jean's house Richard walked down the street and 30 minutes later walked into the unlocked house of Robert and Barbara Edwards
Starting point is 00:06:37 Now this is another weird vampiric twist of the Richard Chase story This is where part of why he gets the nickname of the vampire of Sacramento, right? So years later Richard told FBI profiler Robert wrestler that when he went out to murder He only went to houses that were unlocked not because it was easier But because he thought that a locked house meant that he was not welcome Which plays on the belief that vampires can only enter one's home if the resident invites said vampire inside That is my favorite rule of all the vampire lore is that you just have to be courtesy counts now And the vampire takes it seriously. Can I please come inside? No, you cannot
Starting point is 00:07:19 No, I guess I'll go to the Burger King if they let you in So Robert and Barbara they came home from grocery shopping Open the door and found the filthy scraggly Chase standing in the hallway. Can I be your butler? I'm looking for a job. It's all my parents. I'd come back with a job Well, it does kind of bring us into another class if we have a butler I guess he was Having he was putting forth some semblance of normalcy to his parents, but every person who saw him over the course of these few days Just described him as straggly
Starting point is 00:08:08 Absolutely filthy the words unhinged when you're when they used when the word Unhinged is used about you four or five times in a description, right? You need to talk to someone you need to make over first of all, please. Yes downward spiral Yeah, so when Robert and Barbara saw Richard they chased him around the house for a while Slipping on blood Before Richard finally got past them and ran out the front door now Richard had intended to steal a few things as they found A bag filled with items such as rings a tape player a decorative dagger and a stethoscope Why did they have these things?
Starting point is 00:08:50 We've all got weird shit in our house decorative dagger. We do because that's us. I don't have a decorative dagger I barely have a butter knife. That's sure you have no silverware or working gas in your home You don't need it. If you don't cook But Richard had also left something behind Now when the couple walked into their baby's bedroom They found that Richard had opened up the chest of drawers and And urinated on all the baby's clothes then it walked over to the bed and took a nice big dump Right square in the middle. Oh look, Davey now you have a little brother
Starting point is 00:09:25 You're holding the dump That's what you want to do right now. That's your act out that you chose Yes, did you put eyes on the dump? Yes little googly eyes like an emoji That's really unfortunate It's disgusting. He's um, not well. Well, isn't this exactly what Albert Fish would have done in this in a similar situation Literally exactly like I also could have just been scared and left a shit like he's a squid, you know and just shoot now I don't think he was my what is it with just leaving the fecal matter behind well It's about power and degradation of a subject that's showing that it's a it's about going in there and showing it
Starting point is 00:10:02 Literally, I shit on this thing I shit on the thing that you find sacred in order to get like try to get his wiener up Well, what this is all about what this day is all about is escalation Is that a lot of killers they take they have a sort of escalation that may take year months or even years Richard's doing all this in one day. This is like baby's day out But ending in the worst possible way. I heard it's the director's cut of baby's day out Yeah, it's like Kiefer Sutherland in the movie in the TV show 24 hour three involves pissing on a dresser and taking a dump in a room And if it was playing in France
Starting point is 00:10:39 That's our two three four and five But he is Obviously very ill but you also remember because we were talking about how he was who's being relatively normal to his parents Again, the only reasons why they say that he was acting normal is because he wasn't talking about how hot his blood was Well, he's like Donald Trump you start with like talking about, you know random Newscaster's vaginas, and then you escalate to grabbing to them in that Yeah, the bar is extremely low for Richard change They watched him murder their family pet and cover himself with the blood of the pet and no one said anything then sent him to a hospital
Starting point is 00:11:16 So now it's just like all right as long as he's wearing pants not covered in dog blood Now after the break in attempt Richard was thirsty So he went to the store to grab himself an orange soda, which was his favorite besides blood This is where it's oddly similar to you. I also feel that he would also really enjoy urnbrew Urnbrew well, I prefer grape soda over all of them. Yeah, see iron brew is more of a bubblegum flavor than an orange flavor It's just colored orange. Well, why did you get him talking about this? I'm sorry Now there while he was at the store He ran into an old classmate of his a one miss Nancy Holden chase walked up to her and said
Starting point is 00:11:56 Were you on the motorcycle when Kurt was killed cuz that would have been fucking awesome Who are you? Oh, it's Richie. Yeah, I remember good old screaming blood hungry Richie Tell me are your bones in your face backwards because you look lovely Oh Richie! Yeah Richie! That's what I'm saying! I haven't changed a day! I haven't changed a day! Can I eat your feet? Because I feel if I eat your feet, I'll get new feet! Orange soda, huh? Yeah, I love it! Well Nancy had in fact dated a guy in high school named Kurt who had died in a motorcycle accident
Starting point is 00:12:38 But Nancy barely recognized Richard as he was filthy smellier smelly skinnier than usual and wearing a bright orange ski park That was covered in dried blood. Yeah. Well, it had it was covered in brown stains because as we talk about on the show Blood dries brown so most people when they see a blood stain They don't immediately recognize it as a blood. So the other option is that he's covered in shit Various it could be gravy is this this is right after he urinated in a home and took a dump It was chased around a home immediately after like 30 minutes after what were the people that would just recently chased him Did they call the police or what did they I mean? How do they lose them? I mean they called the police because well, that's the thing is that Richard Chase slippery dude slippery, huh?
Starting point is 00:13:21 You'll remember this is the 70s. There's a lot of hippies the Vietnam wars winding down the hippie movement is grinding into a weird gray Like existence of people just washed out on acid this probably happens two or three times a week And they just have like a hippie sweep in broom like get off the porch Yeah, apparently when he was running through the house, I forgot this when they were screaming stop stop He screamed I was taking a short cut That's true Strange shortcut to the deli I guess
Starting point is 00:13:50 Well Nancy finally broke free, but Richard followed her outside Asking for a ride Nancy managed to get in her car Start the engine and drive off just as Richard was about to open the passenger side door Do you think the one some reverse way? He's like watching Nancy and Nancy and him are having like a Like one of those see you next year moments No, they did the romantics music playing and Nancy's like Richie I just kind of I was just wondering when I was gonna see you again I knew you were in the neighborhood and he imagined himself in a full tuxedo with like flowers covered in blood
Starting point is 00:14:26 And he just thought he was like offered to be in the car like she was inviting him in the car It does seem like a fantasy that would come out of Jim Carrey's character from dumb and dumber Well, that's the thing is that we don't really know what intentions Richard had with Nancy Holden like we really don't I think he was just looking for a ride. He might have been looking for a ride He also might have been looking to kill yeah Why wouldn't we assume he's looking to kill what's because he would switch on and off really hard when he talked about when he would When he killed Ambrose the first time. He just went home and watched TV all day But he would switch off like he would go up
Starting point is 00:15:02 He would go into a frenzy and then like a channel flipped and then all of a sudden he's acting like everything's all normal I'm gonna do it. I am assuming that he is going to kill everyone. He's in contact with Well, he started with try and lock doors. He graduated a burglary He moved on to harassment and a possible kidnapping attempt because don't forget He had a 22 pistol in his shoulder holster this entire time and I also imagine he was not that careful with it I imagine he's got the jacket flapping open. He's chucking out on her soda covered in dried blood She sees the fucking gun holster slapping against his belly like that's hard That's hard to say yes to like yes, sure
Starting point is 00:15:40 I'll give you a ride to present him to Congress and talk about conceal and carry This is what it looks like because he went and he bought a he bought a gun for $69 So which tapped out all of his funds and then he asked his mom to buy him the holster and she said no So he stole it from a thrift store. That's that's the I guess he had the gun you can get whatever you want with it Yeah, yeah gun first so after always gun always gun gun first So after all of that he finally landed on murder at 2360 Tioga way and we do know that at this point his motive was no longer Robbery because a blue van was parked in the driveway clearly marking that someone was home now
Starting point is 00:16:21 What we don't know is why he chose that house Specifically the only explanation if there is one at all is that Richard recognized the van from his earlier trip to the Store where his victim Teresa Wallin had just visited about an hour before Richard showed up at her house Cuz now what we know about Richard is that he is obviously he views things Symbolically as well and I think because he's now deeply schizophrenic what you can imagine what's like when you're now deep You're essentially tripping all the time and when you're tripping things hold sort of psychological and Symbolic meaning where you saw the cat you saw that van before right now. He sees the van here at this house It's like a sign
Starting point is 00:17:01 I should go in this house or was completely fucking random Which is just the truth and it's like most of the time serial killers are not completely random Most of the time select serial killers case their victims. Well, they watch them. Well, it's a lot of the times Yeah, but Richard Chase was not like that at all. No, like he is that he is the absolute textbook definition of the disorganized serial killer well, he's he's somewhere between Tasmanian doubt the Tasmanian devil and Him In devil, I love the Tasmanian devil, but he was cute. Well, he wasn't that cute. You mess you up. Yeah, it's like Richard Chase Absolutely never asked permission to come into your house Richard Chase kind of looks like Marcus
Starting point is 00:17:41 I know I have been described as cute and also as a blood thirsty blood hungry maniac I've been trying not to think about how much Richard Chase looks like Marcus, but now that you brought it up Why did you did you say that I'm a blood thirsty maniac? I'm just saying you just bones Henry Yeah, he's like the Tasmanian devil. I'm glad you're now you are Marcus post blood parts All right, so it makes sense the band triggered something. He's like, wow, I know that band. Let's go in more than likely now Richard walked up to the door took his 22 caliber handgun from his leather shoulder holster Cocked it took the bullet he ejected and placed it in Teresa's mailbox before opening the door There he found Teresa Wallen on her way outside with a bag of garbage in her hand when Richard pointed the gun at Teresa
Starting point is 00:18:27 She dropped the bag and held up her hand just as Richard began firing the gun the first bullet entered her palm Traveled up her arm exited her elbow and nicked her neck The second went through the top part of her skull and she dropped to the ground Richard then walked up to her and fired one more bullet into her temple from six inches away a Mercy considering what was still to come because now we're looking at you know between product and and Process killers. He is a product killer. He wanted to kill people as fast as humanly possible so that he could get a hold of the Body he did not want the struggle that that's not where the power Immediate control of the situation. Yes, because it was a weak person like he was a spy. It was very scrawny
Starting point is 00:19:09 Skinny like he's not gonna wrestle somebody to the ground. Well, he actually he looked weak, but he was actually surprisingly strong Okay, so she did not have I mean a very unfortunate terrible demise, but not as terrible as it could have been I suppose absolutely not It's especially considering what he's gonna do now Richard picked up Teresa's body by the shoulders and Dragged her to the bedroom leaving a long dark streak of blood on the floor After he'd laid her down He walked back to the kitchen Got a knife and picked up an empty yogurt cup that he had spilled out of the garbage that Teresa had dropped
Starting point is 00:19:44 Richard walked back to the bedroom and started work on the body Mm-hmm. He first pulled her sweater over her shoulders and cut off her left nipple He stabbed her torso so hard He split open her sternum and sliced the left side of her stomach open He reached inside the wound and pulled out the intestines until the organs were exposed He stabbed the organs eight more times so deep that the knife came out through her back The only organs he left unscathed were the kidneys He then used the empty yogurt cup to gather blood from Teresa's stomach cavity and drank
Starting point is 00:20:28 He then went to the bathroom and smeared his face and hands with that same blood The final indignation came When Chase walked outside after all of this picked up a pile of dog feces from the yard and shoved it in Teresa's mouth But worst of all when an autopsy on Teresa was performed It was discovered that she was six weeks pregnant. Oh my goodness Um, well, that's absolutely brutal. Can we get a bit of a palate cleanser after that so we can continue on with the podcast, Marcus. Sorry, I farted. It's fat bastard from Austin Palace. That's the palate cleanser. Yeah, play another sound clip, Marcus. You want it? You want it? Yeah, play another one. Get in my belly! Not a good one. I don't think that is a good one. Not a good one, but that is inappropriate. Alright, I don't think the palate cleanser really worked in this situation. It might have made things worse. Um, that is very unfortunate.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Alright, so it's super intense. He's absolutely off his rocker. Totally insane at this point. So now again, when he finished his crime, he left there. He's literally around the corner from his apartment, went into his own apartment, and then just turned on the TV, started watching TV. He just loved TV. Sanford and Sons or something like that. Well, you know what? I mean, to her family, just unbelievably awful. I can't imagine how I would feel if that's how a loved one is treated. You know, post-mortem. I guess, thank God, it was post-mortem, I suppose, but that is just awful, brutal stuff, and we do not condone it! Thank you, Kissel. No problem. I'm just saying, I don't... Yeah, it was her husband, the founder. Came home, poor guy, and founder like that. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Richard Chase is a terrible... He's an awful human being. Nah, he's dead. He's fucking dead. He's in hell right now. It's fucking dead. I'm torn apart by demons.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Now, like with most serial murders, police had no immediate leads on the murder of Teresa Wallin, because the vast majority of murders are perpetrated by someone that the victim knows. So when you've got a murder like this with no apparent motive, it's very difficult to know where to begin. Obviously, because of nature, a crime of this intensity is also viewed as either someone must have hated her, or someone who's a complete and total psychopath. And they have to really, really, really hate someone to do something that bad. Really, the only thing, like the family, I guess her husband's sister thought that the crime was perpetrated by one of the husband's ex-girlfriends, because they heard that the ex-girlfriend was into a satanic cult. Of course, this is 1978. Everybody thinks that everybody's in a fucking satanic cult. Yeah, they were just in the beginnings of heavy metal. They're having a great time. They're sexy and cool and wearing black and having a great time.
Starting point is 00:23:11 They're just the first people out of the hippie movement, so don't blame the satanic cult people. I don't mean to get defensive. I'm gonna say, if I knew someone was in a satanic cult that was an ex-girlfriend of the husband of the wife, I would sniff around. Just make sure. You know, even though it was hard to know where to begin, that's not to say that the Sacramento Police Department didn't try particularly the lead detective, Lieutenant Ray Biondi, who wrote the book from which much of the research for this series is taken from. The book is called The Vampire Killer, and it is solid, true crime writing. If you like cop-written books, man, this is the one for you. Yeah, if you like cop-written books, it's not just been like,
Starting point is 00:23:50 yeah, me and the boys, we worked them over a little bit, and then we got free ice cream cone because we're the police. Yeah, free ice cream. My goodness. So the cops in this situation, Marcus, are you giving them five out of five stars? I'm giving them five out of five, man. I'm calling these guys super cops. They worked really hard on this case. Yeah, they actually did. Now, the only clues that police had were a set of footprints in a pool of Teresa's blood, the bullet that ended her life, and a series of rings near Teresa's body that appeared to be from a bucket or pan that had been set on the floor, which implies that Richard Chase- Brought his own bucket.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Either brought his own bucket or had taken one of the buckets from the kitchen, which is much more likely. Okay. Yeah, because he's not organized enough to bring a bucket with him. Think about it, though, if you're going to bring one thing, if your job is, if you view your job, is that you're a vampire. One of the things you need is a bucket. What do you need the bucket for? For your doggy bag. I guess so.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Yeah, well, I mean, no one reported him. The friend at Nancy Holden didn't report him having a bucket at the supermarket. That would have been a detail that she would have remembered. Client, client, client, we're having fun with my bucket. Do you remember when your boyfriend died? I sure do. I get hard from him. Anyways, can you hold my bucket for a second? These fucking guts are very heavy. Orange soda. I always liked Richard. Now, before police would even know Richard Chase's name, he would claim four more victims on January 27, 1978. Richard's possible search for the right house would begin days earlier on January 24.
Starting point is 00:25:37 And I say possible because while we don't actually know if Richard was casing houses or just acting on a schizophrenic impulse, he started going door to door asking for old magazines, specifically back issues of Mad Magazine and Cosmo. Mad Magazine was hilarious at the time. This was the golden age of Mad Magazine. It really was. I have a whole collection of mid to late 70s Mad Magazine. This is the time when you want to, and Cosmo is all about learning how to eat pussy. And so he's just trying to connect. He's trying to date. I don't know. I found out that I wrote Mad Magazine and drew the great funny comics in Mad Magazine. I'd be quite disheartened to know Richard Chase loves them.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Richard, I don't want to make Richard Chase laugh. Oh, Don Martin was devastated. What if he found the right issue of Cosmo that taught him how to break the ice with that girl that he wanted to talk to? I don't think Cosmo was that good. He goes back to finance he holds, and he goes, it's like, I want to ask you about your interests. And also, I hear hot and cold on the vagina. I don't think it's gonna work. I think they work as I'm stronger.
Starting point is 00:26:39 All right. I don't think it'll work. On January 25th, a couple called police after they found one of their Labrador puppies dead on their rear patio, shot with its stomach ripped open. When police asked them if they'd seen any strange characters, they remembered a skinny, filthy man in an orange jacket who had bought two puppies from them days earlier. I just don't understand. How are they selling puppies to this guy? I mean, they just want to get rid of puppies. There's so many people that want a puppy. Christmas is right around the corner.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Christmas had already passed. These are puppies being given away. This is post-Christmas puppies. No one wants puppies in January. I'll take a puppy in January and that's also a great new lifetime movie. Puppies in January. Puppies in January. Are they just food for vampires? I hope not. Lieutenant Beondi acting on a hunch and remembering the reports people had made of the magazine Hunter that fit the same description. He ordered an autopsy on the little pup and found fragments of a.22 bullet.
Starting point is 00:27:41 It wasn't enough to match it to the wall and murder, but it was still a clue. It definitely wouldn't be enough, though, to catch Richard before he committed one of the worst murder sprees in American history. Be prepared. It's gold star time. It's gold star time! Why does that ring like I'm talking to an empty graveyard? This is what we do in the podcast where we're going to test your patience as a human being. And test your endurance as a compassionate human. Well, our listeners are very compassionate, wonderful people.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Yeah, extremely compassionate, wonderful people. That's why we say gold star because that's pretty much just saying like, hey, it's about to get real fucking bad. Well, we're all in it together. I'm forced to be here. What do they get in return for getting the gold star this time? They get a thumbs. They get a like on Facebook. We'll give them a like. You get a like. You get a big old thumbs up, buddy. If those Frankensteins are still around, I'll give you one of those.
Starting point is 00:28:38 No, they're gone. Halloween's over. Fuck this! Yep, it's all done now. Just, yeah, so how long of a spree here are we talking, Marcus? About 45 minutes. That's all you need. It's like Michael Jordan. All you need is one basketball game to make a career. I believe you also equated Ted Bundy to Michael Jordan.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I ended up using up Michael Jordan a lot because he's the only athlete. I look at him up to, I look up to him. He's the only athlete you know. Emmett Smith. Oh, right. Dion Sanders. All from the mid-90s. Bobby Bonilla. Now you're just naming Cowboys. Okay, he's from the Pirates.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Dwight Gooden. That's fine. He had a small cocaine addiction. That's all right. All right, 45 minutes. Bundy-esque, I suppose. Yes. Evelyn Miroff was a 38-year-old single mother who lived with her two sons, Vernon 13 and Jason 6, in the Country Club Center neighborhood of Sacramento. On January 27th, she was at home with her son, Jason, and her sister-in-law's
Starting point is 00:29:36 20-month-old baby boy. And on that day, Evelyn had planned to send her 6-year-old son, along with a neighbor to play in the snow at the foot of the Sierra Nevada Mountains, but the boy would never leave the house alive, thanks to Richard Chase. At 9.05 a.m., Evelyn's friend, Danny Meredith, came over to the divorcee's house red station wagon and was asked by Evelyn to go back out and rent some snow shoes for Jason to take on the trip. And after Danny left the house, Richard Chase entered through the unlocked back door,
Starting point is 00:30:12 walked to the bathroom where Evelyn was taking a bath, quickly shot her in the head, killing her instantly, just as he had done with Teresa Wallin. He then dragged the naked body out of the bathroom and later out on the bed. And while we don't know exactly what happened next, it is presumed that the 6-year-old son, Jason, heard the shot and came into the room to see what had happened. Chase shot the 6-year-old boy twice in the head at close range, left the body on the floor next to the bed, and walked to the kitchen to get a knife so he could repeat what he had done to Teresa Wallin.
Starting point is 00:30:49 As Richard was in the kitchen, he heard the front door open. It was Danny Meredith returning from the sporting goods store. Chase pulled the 22 out from his shoulder holster, met Danny in the hall, and shot him straight between the eyes. It's then that Richard noticed the sound of a crying baby coming from one of the rooms. He walked to the bedroom where the baby lay in its crib, pointed the gun at his head, and pulled the trigger. Richard then returned to the bedroom, taking two carving knives from the kitchen with him,
Starting point is 00:31:22 and began the same blood ritual he had performed on the corpse of Teresa Wallin. First, he cut open her stomach, sternum to navel, then cut again across her belly, and pulled out the intestines. He stabbed her deliberately in specific organs, again leaving only the kidneys unscathed, repeating what he had done the first time. He then took out the liver, cut off a piece, and ate it. After that, he pulled out the rest of the organs and collected as much blood as he could from the abdomen of Evelyn Miroth again, just as he had done with Teresa.
Starting point is 00:32:05 But this time, Richard decided to take it even further. He rolled Evelyn onto her stomach and stabbed her anus six times and sodomized the wound. He then rolled her back over, sliced her neck open, and carefully cut out one of her eyes. Richard had done all he wanted with the body of Evelyn Miroth, but his work in the house was not done yet. He went back to the baby's room, brought the body into the bathroom, split the head open, and partially dumped the baby's brains into the bathtub. Suddenly, a knock came from the front door. The family across the street was still waiting for Jason to come over so they could head to the mountains,
Starting point is 00:32:56 and the mother had sent her daughter to check on him. Thankfully, Richard did not open the door. Instead, he waited until the little girl left, took the keys to the red station wagon from Danny Meredith's body, and escaped unseen with a bucket of blood and the body of a 20-month-old baby. The crime scene would be discovered 30 minutes later when a worried neighbor opened the back door and saw Danny Meredith's corpse lying in the hallway. Oh my, all right, so that's completely brutal. You got a gold star! Aren't you happy with yourself? All right, so there were three people that he murdered, four people in this house.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Yeah, it was Evelyn Miroth, Danny Meredith, Jason Miroth, and the baby whose name has been kept out. Yeah, oh my goodness, all right. And how long did this take? About 45 minutes. 45 minutes. It was just boom, boom, because they all died really fast. That whole thing happened and then he was just with the body. Yeah, that's what's so interesting. I mean, again, it's not like BTK. He's not really torturing these people while they're alive. No, he's a weak piece of shit. He's a piece of shit that just wants to total control over something.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Also, if you look at the way he's mutilating the bodies, it's very childish. It's very much like a kid with a knife. He does not understand sexuality at all. You remember that he was born impotent. Basically, he could not have sex with anyone up until this point. God knows what he did on his own time in terms of his masturbatory habits. But he was scunted. He was trapped in sort of a psychopathic version of a 10-year-old boy and that had a knife and was playing with a body like he was a fucking deformed orphan. And now he's just driving around, which is horrifying to think about this man behind the wheel of a car. Listen to Light FM, because you know this man loves Kenny Loggins.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Having a good time driving. But literally just driving back to the house in his ranchero. I also really hope he didn't hum a song while he was doing all this. Who knows? I mean, at this point, I guess the switch is now off, right? Yes. As soon as it happens, it seems like... He gets in the car and he heads back home. Oh, right. I guess that's where you go. Where do you want me to go to the baseball game? I don't know. I want him to go to jail immediately, which I guess is the next step here.
Starting point is 00:35:28 Yeah, absolutely. See, police, they were at a loss, of course. Now, they, of course, knew that the same person who had killed Teresa Wallen had also committed the mass murder that had just occurred on that cold winter morn. Now, besides the obvious, the cops had also found the same rings on the carpet next to the body. The same footprints tracked through the blood and bullets from the same gun. But Richard, in a very telling move that spoke volumes about his sense of right and wrong, had worn rubber gloves, so there were no fingerprints. Also, he had dumped the ranchero, which you're going to find out.
Starting point is 00:36:06 But that's one little detail he thinks that he dumps the ranchero because it's all within a mile around his apartment. He dumps it in a weird place behind the Meredith's house, where it's parked across a bunch of parking lanes. He didn't actually drive away from the house in his ranchero. He stole Meredith's car. He drove it to another apartment complex and parked it. He knew exactly what he was doing. Kind of surprisingly sane in some ways. I mean, he had, as far as somewhat of a preparation for the crime, he had a little bit of foresight, just enough. He had just enough to cast a shadow of a doubt on the insanity defense.
Starting point is 00:36:45 The fact that he wore gloves shows that he made some effort to not get caught. Or he literally was like, oh, vampires wear gloves! Honestly, who knows? It's like he could have been wearing a top hat and fucking, you know, and scuba gear the whole time, too. Who knows what he's doing? He's just thinking like, I've got to make sure to keep my guts inside my own body, just in case he doesn't jump into this dead woman's body. Who knows? Yeah, and police had also found Danny Meredith's car, but had nothing to link it to Chase.
Starting point is 00:37:17 However, they would later find out that Chase had abandoned the car only 100 yards away from his own front door. I was kind of surprised there was no trail of blood leading out of the station wagon over into his apartment, because he was walking out with a bucket of blood and the corpse of a baby under his arm. But the baby was wrapped up, apparently, and then also the bucket. I mean, I guess he was very careful not to spill any blood. Also, you just put it on your upholstery. It's getting in the upholstery. It's kind of like putting it on a coaster. I guess. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:37:55 No, you don't know. Now, we usually don't cover the hunt for the serial killer in our heavy hitter episodes in much detail, because frankly, most of the time it's a happy accident that these killers are even caught. But this right here, this is top notch police work and deserves to be recognized as such. Lieutenant Biondi was actually not that long on the floor. He was newer to the homicide branch. Most of the guys on this case were either rookie detectives or very new detectives. They all talked about how they had to go into very deep therapy after dealing with these crime scenes, but Biondi was following hunches, and he kept checking in with an older officer, like a friend of his,
Starting point is 00:38:39 which just sounds like a movie. There's got to be a movie of this at some point. I wish there was. I forget. There may have been one. There was a weird little thing that I saw called the Psychopathic World of Richard Chase, which is a seven-minute movie done with Barbie dolls. Not good. It's not a movie. He went in, but there's something about this dude. We went to the older officer. He's like, this is, I'm putting together this whole case, and I was like, I have a hunch that it's this Richard Chase guy, and he's like, follow your gut. It was cool.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Now, with no concrete leads, Lieutenant Biondi decided to try something new. He had learned two years earlier at a seminar hosted by the FBI. He decided to try psychological profiling. Using techniques, he had learned in combination with crime scene evidence and a few hunches, Biondi was able to make these assumptions. One, since no witnesses in the suburban white neighborhood had remembered seeing any minorities walking around, as this was admittedly the late 70s, and people would have noticed Biondi assumed that the killer was white. And this is where racism works?
Starting point is 00:39:41 I get it. You know what? In a strange way it did. It's where it works. And the only real suspicious person who did show up in police reports was the skinny white fella in his 20s, so it was safe to assume that that was probably their guy. Two, Biondi thought that he was probably schizophrenic. The attacks were extremely disorganized and occurred in daylight with no real effort to cover the crimes besides just the gloves and the crimes had been done with no real regard for witnesses. Because people had seen him all day long.
Starting point is 00:40:12 He was walking through people's yards in that he had a fucking bright orange ski park on. Covered in blood going door to door. Yeah, he had obviously broken from reality. I mean, the person that you could compare Richard Chase to is another Richard, Richie Ramirez. Very similar to Richard Ramirez. Richard Ramirez was even more sadistic. So Richard Ramirez had his shit together a little bit more in his own head. Well, Richard Ramirez wasn't schizophrenic.
Starting point is 00:40:37 No. Like, he was just an asshole. Yeah, he was just a piece of shit. But Richard Chase was just obviously very, very sick. But also an asshole. When you combine the two, you get a whole family dead. Yeah, exactly. Now three, Biondi decided that this guy was probably a loner, unmarried and out of work.
Starting point is 00:40:55 It was reason that nobody would be able to live with or employ someone who was capable of this. Accurate. Plus, the murders had occurred during regular work hours. Four, the killer probably had limited social skills and was no smooth talker. This guy's no game show hopes. He is nailing it so far. Yeah, because there was no prolonged interaction with the victims, and the murders had been committed quickly so the perpetrator could keep control of the situation.
Starting point is 00:41:23 He reasoned that the only way he was able to take any control of the situation was to just shoot him in the head. Yeah, a little as possible. Surprise him and shoot him. Yeah, exactly. And five, the perpetrator had probably been recently released from a mental institution due to the nature of the crimes. They had also occurred within a short period of time in one area, suggesting that the perpetrator was a newcomer to the area. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Starting point is 00:41:47 This guy's five for five. Five for five. This profile fit Richard Chase to a T, and the FBI often holds up the Chase case as the gold standard of a disorganized killer profile, and they take a lot of credit for that. There's only one problem. The FBI was not involved in this case in the least bit. This is sacrament at all. But their rules were.
Starting point is 00:42:10 But their ideas were, and their ideas for long. Their ideas, but the FBI takes credit for solving the Richard Chase case. They take credit for the caller. They take credit for the arrest. They did not arrest. They did not call it. They created a methodology that led to the arrest. I understand the FBI a little bit.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Are you coming down on the side of the FBI? I'm going to. I don't want to be invited. He's changed. He's changed. No, because without that man going to the seminar and having the FBI teach him about profiling, then maybe he wouldn't have gone there mentally, and then the case wouldn't have been solved. If the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were to come and save you from the foot clan,
Starting point is 00:42:46 I would thank Leonardo and not Splinter. So there we go. I would thank Splinter. Well, that's where your scar pisses. We have to thank Shredder. Because without the enemy, there is no good guy. The psychological profile helped. It did help, but it by no means solved the case.
Starting point is 00:43:02 There was a very, very, very, very strong chance that they still would have caught Richard Chase had they not had the psychological profile, had they not used this. And I think it is a huge disservice to the Sacramento Police Department for the FBI to claim that their psychological profile led to the capture of this killer, because that's what they do. You read Robert Restler's book. If you read a lot of summations of this case and other serial killer books, they all imply that it was the FBI that caught this guy because of the psychological profile.
Starting point is 00:43:33 It was not the FBI at all. It was the Sacramento Police Department. Which is the credit where credit is due. This is also the common thing we talk about with the reason why these crimes aren't busted more quickly more often is because of the miscommunication between the higher levels of police departments and the local levels. It's like because they all are fighting for who gets credit, that's a lot of time why these killers slide through the cracks, because nobody wants to share information for them,
Starting point is 00:43:59 because everyone wants the collar. Nobody wants to actually work together as a group, because that's where your funding comes from is basically the outline. Look at our numbers, this is who we break down. That's all changed now, that's for sure. Oh yeah. Now at any one time, there were over 50 cops canvassing neighborhoods asking about suspicious persons.
Starting point is 00:44:20 And again and again, the same tall, skinny, filthy man in his 20s wearing an orange jacket came up. But according to beyondy, this wasn't extremely helpful in the search, because as we said earlier, remember this is California in 1978. There were a lot of tall, skinny, dirty guys walking around Sacramento. Right. Nevertheless, There's literally like 15 Grateful Dead cover bands just in the Sacramento area alone. Yeah, I mean Bill Walton and Phil Jackson,
Starting point is 00:44:47 they looked the exact same and they were professional basketball players. Nevertheless, they were still able to make a sketch and send it out. They also knew that the killer had used a 22 semi-automatic, but the problem there lied in the fact that 22 semi-automatics were among the most popular guns sold at the time and were in fact known for their reputation as murder weapons. The lucky break came when Richard's high school friend Nancy Holden, the one who Richard had harassed and possibly planned to kill at the supermarket on the day of the wall and murder,
Starting point is 00:45:23 told her police officer father-in-law about the incident after seeing the sketch of the scraggly stranger. I'm so sad. He was just having a Dawson's Creek moment with Nancy, and that's the thing that made the whole thing fall apart. He was there saying all he wanted to ask her was, I wish that you were the one to ask me out on this 80 Hawkins dance. I don't think that she wanted to ask him out.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Now, Beyondy started looking into Chase specifically because as Henry said earlier, he had one hell of a hunch and found that Chase had a concealed weapon arrest on his record for a 22, which alone would have been enough for them to look into it, that he had spent time in a mental institution where he was described as a violent patient and they uncovered the bloody incident at Pyramid Lake. So really, if you look at it, as far as the profile goes, really the only thing that actually fits, that they actually have in the check-in
Starting point is 00:46:18 was that he spent time in a mental institution. The concealed weapon arrest for the 22 and the blood incident at Pyramid Lake, that alone is enough for them to look into it. So it was the sacri- yes. Yeah, this should have been looking into it from the fucking beginning. He should have been in a mental institution. What happened? Did you just turn into the honeymooner? I just get-
Starting point is 00:46:36 What the hell's the name of the honeymooner guy? Ralph Flamnen? Yeah, you just turned into Ralph Framden. I just don't really understand how a man, just, you know, he had a bucket of guts driving around saying I'd rather be flying. I know, I'm surprised that he's able to get away at all, but yes, interesting. Now, detectives found out where Richard lived, drove over and knocked on the door. Richard didn't answer, but they were certain that he was inside,
Starting point is 00:46:59 not wanting to- Not home! Certainly not home! Come on, yum, yum, yum. Not wanting to compromise the scene by entering without a warrant, the officers made a big show of acting like they were going to leave and come back later. There was a lot of theater there. A guy with coconuts, like Monty Python.
Starting point is 00:47:25 Trying to drive away, we're going to the Burger King! I know how much you like Burger King! They're just hiding behind the bushes. They were! Yeah, they were waiting around the corner of the building. Did they catch him with a net? With any luck, he's a cartoon. Yeah, they waited for him to emerge, and sure enough, just a few minutes later,
Starting point is 00:47:50 Chase walked outside carrying a cardboard box. The cops yelled, stop! Come back here! Chase threw the box at one of the officers, and a whole rush of bloody pieces of paper flew out of the cardboard box. That's all that was inside. Just little bloody pieces of paper. Vampire pinata.
Starting point is 00:48:10 Disgusting. Chase took off in one direction as one cop was chasing him. The other cop came around the corner and bashed him in the head with his gun. Chase immediately fell to the ground. The cop thought that he had killed the guy, but when he went down to put the cops on him, Richard started struggling around, and this is when the cop was like,
Starting point is 00:48:31 holy shit, I couldn't get a hold of the guy. One last dance! It's a horror movie! One last dance of freedom! This is the final scene of a horror film. You think you killed a monster? It turns out you didn't. Yeah, and the cop said like the entire time
Starting point is 00:48:45 Richard was trying to reach into his jacket to try to get the gun out so he could shoot him. Shoot this guy in the head! Yeah, but he was trying to get the collar. Like he was trying to actually arrest, and he also couldn't get to his own gun while he was trying to hold Richard down. The arresting officer had a really nice interview moment where he said,
Starting point is 00:49:03 I was pulling the, the guy that actually arrested Richard Chase, who was chasing him down, originally thought, when I see this guy, I'm going to pull out my gun, I'm going to shoot him, I'm going to kill him. But he said, no, it's very last minute. If I kill him, then I'm like him. And I don't want to be like him. Well, only if he cuts up the corpse and drinks his blood.
Starting point is 00:49:23 Well, that's the extreme version. It actually sounds like these were some pretty good cops that were taking this guy down. And so they finally got the handcuffs on Richard Chase. They searched him. In his back pocket, they found Danny Meredith's wallet. And his shoulder holster was the 22 semi-automatic. Most disturbingly though,
Starting point is 00:49:43 they also found pictures of Jason and Evelyn Meeroth in his pocket that Richard had taken from their house after the murder. And when cops finally got a warrant for Richard's apartment, they discovered a scene that is, it's exact, his apartment is exactly what you'd expect it to be. I can't believe he had track lighting. Disgusting. How tasteless. Almost everything in the apartment was stained with either
Starting point is 00:50:10 dried blood or fresh blood down to a loaf of French bread that was sitting on the couch next to his blood-soaked sleeping bag. He just thought it was marinara sauce. I guess so. Now there were small bits of bone in the kitchen. And in the fridge, they found the body parts of animals on dishes and human brain tissue stored in a container. And a blender was badly stained and smelled of rotting flesh.
Starting point is 00:50:40 You know, that's why I always find, like one thing I like about like watching various serial killer like kind of slap together documentaries is that every single time I've watched one of these, all the ones that are like 10 to 12 minutes long, whenever they talk about Richard Chase, they cut to a clip art of a runner drinking a smoothie, which I think is like bad press for smoothies.
Starting point is 00:50:59 I think it's gross. It is bad press for the smoothie. What do you think? You're a blender guy, Ben. Or you were a blender guy. I was a blender. You broke your blender. Yeah, my blender broke because I put ice in it. Yeah. Not human corpse. I don't think you can just throw rabbits into a blender all day long,
Starting point is 00:51:14 but you put ice in there and it's going to break? I guess so. It just seems like you were really overusing this blender. I guess I was. I was not nearly as nice as Richard Chase was with his wonderful blender, apparently. Babies are soft. What is disgusting to think about him just jamming
Starting point is 00:51:27 whatever he jammed into that blender? It's so strange. And then he just goes and eats a bunch of French bread and watches television. Definitely would have been a very morbid commercial. Oh, God. They also found anatomy textbooks, health magazines, a marked up psychology article titled
Starting point is 00:51:45 Understimulation, a classified section with all the ads for dog circled, and a spiral notebook. They just didn't know that inside the notebook it was just constant drawings of Mash. You know that game, that childhood game? I don't know Mash. Oh, I thought you met Mash like that,
Starting point is 00:52:02 like there were pictures of Radar. Yeah, the television show. I don't know about that. Radar and Hulk like that. I love Alan Alda. No, Alan Alda is a good guy. I love him so much. I wonder if he's got enough blood in him.
Starting point is 00:52:13 He looks like he does. He does, I'm sure. Now, the notebook was filled with handwritten notes and drawings of guns, obscene images, and swastikas, as well as translations of German words. That's one thing that we didn't cover about Richard Chase. A neo-Nazi? No, he thought Nazis were after him.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Yes. Yeah. Even though he wasn't Jewish. He thought Nazis were putting radios in his soap. Like, that was a part of it. He thought his mom was in line with them, that she was selling him out. He was obsessed with Nazis.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Yeah, and the Nazis were working in conjunction with the UFOs. See, UFOs. UFOs. Interesting. Unidentified flying objects. They just start calling him with a full name. UFO. Now, one page had Richard's signature 12 times.
Starting point is 00:52:58 Oh, nice. Yeah. I did that as a kid. Yeah, you practiced seeing when he's a celebrity. You know, I did that too. I practiced my signature. Man, Mrs. Vlad Dracul. Mr. Richard Dracul.
Starting point is 00:53:11 Now, besides all the gore and the carnage, the most disturbing thing cops found was a calendar. On the dates of the Wallen and Myrith murders, Richard had written the word today. He had written the same word on 44 more dates in the coming year. And he had done it twice. And who knows when the next one would have come. So this shows that Richard Chase did have some plan.
Starting point is 00:53:39 Like, he did. It wasn't just that he woke up that day and said, today is the day I'm going to kill. He planned the day he was going to go out and kill. It really was. It's like Tuesday is magazine day. Wednesday is dog day. Thursday is murder day.
Starting point is 00:53:54 He's the only version of the secret. Yeah, but he did not have a script. He didn't have like a schedule supervisor. You know what I mean? It's like he wasn't handed the schedule down. He made the schedule up. He didn't have to clock in or anything. No, that's the best part about being a vampire
Starting point is 00:54:07 is that you're also an entrepreneur. So, did he self-identify as a vampire? No, he didn't self-identify. No point was he did he pretend to be a vampire. He just was. No, he just was a vampire. No, he didn't go around saying, I'm a vampire. I need blood to survive.
Starting point is 00:54:25 He thought that he needed blood because he was losing his blood. It was like the disorder that we were talking about in the last episode where they believed that certain body parts are missing. There are some serial killers who believe that they are vampires, they are closer to like Vlad Dracul. Richard really didn't give a shit about any of that stuff. He was obsessed with anatomy and Nazis. But that's also...
Starting point is 00:54:50 He didn't read Dracula. That's kind of cool then because then he was like the real punks versus pop punk. He was for real. Yeah, he's like a... Yeah, he is definitely like a proto-vampire. I guess. Alright, so what happened to this guy? They got him alive.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Yeah, so Richard Chase's insanity defense was rejected by a jury and on May 8th, 1978, Chase was found guilty and sentenced to death. Also, while he was in jail, there's two little tidbits. One was that when he would lie in the cells, when the jailers come by, he would hide under the covers and then pop out going, you would like make like a weird little noises. He played peek-a-boo? Yes, with the jailers and then also when he got in there,
Starting point is 00:55:27 of course his reputation preceded him and because he was a baby killer, all of the people on death row would collect jars of urine, they would piss in the cups and get it to the guy closest to his cell to splash it all over Richard Chase while he laid in bed. That's just kind of a fun, that's a jailhouse game. They get very comfortable with their own waste. It's called the apple juice pass. Yeah, that's what happens when you shit in the same room that you sleep in.
Starting point is 00:55:51 But isn't that something that Chase would enjoy? No, he wasn't a pee-pee-poo-poo guy. I mean, he liked a pee-pee-poo-poo, but I don't think he liked to smear himself in pee-pee-poo. This is disgusting! Yeah, it's just like that doesn't, anyway. Alright, so... Guys, I go pretty far, but this is even too much for me! This is too much for me!
Starting point is 00:56:09 No, Chase would not meet his end in the gas chamber as the state intended. On the day after Christmas, 1980, Richard Chase, egged on by his fellow inmates, took a handful of antidepressants that he had been hoarding from his daily dose, and died on death row from toxic ingestion. A fate too good. Way too good. Way too good. That's actually kind of, I mean, never do that, but not the worst way.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Yeah, he did not deserve a peaceful death. So this guy was real fucked up! He was awful. Alright, well, wow, Richard Chase. Great research, interesting to say the least. I guess keep your doors locked. Yeah, there's like literally one thing you can learn from this is that this shit happens. Like this man was very scary.
Starting point is 00:56:55 It is extremely, extremely rare that it happens. Lock your doors. Yeah, that's how we can say it. Lock your doors. The boogeyman isn't necessarily real. This is extremely rare. Lock your hair. Don't keep yourself, don't let yourself stay up at night thinking about Richard Chase.
Starting point is 00:57:10 But you know, make sure you're fucking back doors locked. How didn't he die from consuming all animal blood and other people's blood? Doesn't that kill you? Well, he did get blood poisoning at one point. But from injecting it. Yeah, from injecting it. I eat organ meat all the time and my blood is thick and strong and healthy. No, you're not healthy.
Starting point is 00:57:27 Yeah, I'm very healthy. Yeah, but have you seen, like, I mean, people eat weird shit and they survive. Have you ever seen that guy on YouTube? His name's like Shumann. Oh, yeah, we don't even want to. We're like, eats the sticks of a deodorant. He's just a raging alcoholic. Yeah, he's just a raging alcoholic, but he survives.
Starting point is 00:57:42 So Richard can survive. For now. For now. Humans are very adaptable. Yeah. Oh, right. Richard Chase. Anything can be food.
Starting point is 00:57:50 I guess so. I guess so. And of course, thank you to Christina, the psychology expert, and Megan for... Sure, yeah, definitely thanks to Christina. Yeah, Christina exists. Christina, let me ask you a question. What's your address? Where do you live?
Starting point is 00:58:04 7-9-4-3-4-6-3. Just numbers. Those are just numbers. 9-4-way. Great improv. Marcus, Christina, everybody. Great, great appearance. Thank you guys so much for listening.
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Starting point is 00:58:56 Are you having a mental breakdown? No. It sounds like you're having a mental breakdown. No, it's not like we're out of here flying without a net. We don't need a net when you got nimble feet like ours. You don't need a net. You don't need a net when you have friendship. That's right.
Starting point is 00:59:08 You are aging dramatically. I am. Yes. But thank you guys so much for listening and thanks so much for supporting all the shows here on CCR. Thank you so much for supporting our Patreon page as well. It really is life changing stuff. I finally listened to an episode of Wizard and the Bruiser and Holden seems like normal on it.
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Starting point is 00:59:45 has done such a great job of bringing over to Cave Comedy Radio. Well, as far as live shows go, we still have tickets on sale for Seattle, Washington on Friday, December 16th at Numos. There's only about 50 tickets left on that. And it's over a month until the show goes on. That show will sell out. Do not sit on your hands on that one. And if you were one of the last 10 tickets purchased, Marcus himself will give you a full leg massage.
Starting point is 01:00:15 A full leg massage? Just one leg? You know what? Myself, I prefer leg massages over anything. I'm a tight man on my legs. I hold a lot of my stress in my legs. You didn't mean to do this. No, but you did do it.
Starting point is 01:00:28 You definitely did. And on Saturday, December 17th, Portland, Oregon at Mississippi Studios, we sold out the late show, but we have added an early show. Go to cavecomedyradio.com. Live for tickets there. And on Saturday, January 7th, Boston, Massachusetts, we sold out of the late show, but guess what? We are adding an early show. There it is.
Starting point is 01:00:49 So we will be announcing that very soon as soon as we get the tickets on. And also, we've got a couple more confirmed dates, but tickets are not on sale yet. We're coming to Chicago and we're coming to San Francisco. Awesome. San Francisco. Quick update. Pudgy the mouse. I saw him last night.
Starting point is 01:01:05 He's doing great. Just living with no gas and literally living with vermin crawling around here. Is that a vermin? That is ver. It is vermin. It's not. It's a New York City rat. It's a mouse.
Starting point is 01:01:18 But you are living in the Richard Chase version of Cinderella. That's not even close to true. You're not gaining his trust. If this is not going to start doing stuff around the house for you. Well, he doesn't have to, because I don't make a mess. But next month, he's going to be like Mr. Jangle's in the green mouse. He's going to be like Little Cajun. Oh, Mr. Jangle.
Starting point is 01:01:37 He's a trick mouse. He's a trick mouse. He's a good mouse. Yes, thank you guys so much. And I'm going to throw out there a hail yourselves. Hail yourselves. Hail Satan, truly and deeply. Oh, and don't forget about the live stream Friday at 7.30.
Starting point is 01:01:50 Check it out. Yeah, you fuckers. Well, don't yell at them. I'm sorry. You're fuckers. I'm sorry. Adultswim.com slash stream. Hail game.
Starting point is 01:01:59 We'll see you all on Friday and we'll see you all next week. Kill me, fucking cuckuckers. Agh. Agh. Agh. Agh. Agh. Agh.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Agh. Agh. Agh. Agh. Agh. Agh. Agh. Agh.
Starting point is 01:02:18 Agh. Agh. All right, so that's it. We're going to do this week's patreon shout out. Benjamen take it away. All right. Welcome to the Patreon shout ooooooout. Shout oOOout.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Now we're going to just channel SPD in holding. Yeah. T-t-t-s-s shout oOOt. S-s-s-s-s! Shout oOOout. Um, seriously, from the bottom of my Hum beside, every name that I read, I— I—thank you all so much.
Starting point is 01:02:38 Uhm, that's good? Very sincere. Very sincere. Thank you so much! All right. First name, Wolfgang folks. Oooo. Sounds like a chef but he only makes fx.
Starting point is 01:02:48 Who only cooks fx, meet. Ryan Reem is Peter Antel, Brent ILS. I think it's ILS. You know the capital I in the lowercase L, they're the same letter. I never liked that. I'm sorry. The capital I in the lowercase, it's the same letter. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:08 It's confusing to people. Well, the L is a little shorter than the I. I've never seen that. William Zoth, Sarah Davis, Chai Eaton, Katie Toon, Kate Ceballo, Ceballo, Ceballo, Kate Ceballo, Jesper Oldall, Adam Rhodes, Robin Campbell, John Atkins, Michelle M. Hodges.
Starting point is 01:03:34 She just gave us a lot of information. Thank you so much for your support. Let's see here, Katie Guidry. Thank you, Katie. Fernando Prado. Oh, we know Fernando Prado. Ben Thomas, Sylvia Vajalo, Vajalo, Vajalo. I'm getting much better, Vajalo.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Kind of, yeah. Aaron Towns, thank you. Catherine Campbell, Adrian Shipley, Dan Jones, Charles Nicholson, Paul Everett, Alison Cantrell. Thank you so much. Hey. Jeremy Nicholas, Amber Powers, Ryan McDonald, R. Kelly Gonzalez, Simon Colley, Justin LaJune.
Starting point is 01:04:19 LaJune. LaJune. That's a French one. Phil Wadey, that's an American one. Yes. Tim Perham, Carolyn Stewart, Chad Miller, Gregory Bevington, Dan Strauss, Kelly Kirst, Allison Schober, Kate Russell, Elise Murphy, Nathan Krueger, John Harper, Ashley Craig,
Starting point is 01:04:42 and Lucas Reagan. Thank you guys so much. Hail Satan. I would like to thank Stephanie Gorgias. Ooh. TJ Gomez, what's up? Hey, TJ. Tiny Hamster.
Starting point is 01:04:58 That's, you shouldn't be on a computer. You're an animal. Caitlin Smith, Andrew York, Nicolette Moreau. I know you. Hey. And Andrew York, hey. Angela DeVilla, Caitlin Stanbro, Jacob Brinkman, Brittany Neville.
Starting point is 01:05:13 I'm Brittany Neville. Laura Zelensky, yeah. Polish, yeah. Disney Ray, Wade Pratha, David Gallagher, Rob P. as in you're in. Emmeline Williams, Amanda Lord. That's me turning into what's his name from a Saturday in Life. Amanda Lord, Richie Unrine, Andrew Coil, Charlie Witherholt,
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Starting point is 01:05:57 That would be great. I would expect more money from him. I would expect less. Mary Rose, Cameron McKinley, Skate, Canada, Kennedy, Jameson Hurls, Mike Freeman, Derek Dunn, Devin Weiss, Darren Fleischer, Andrew, President Lincoln, Annalise Del Hall, Nicky Baron, Emily Kolb, Paul Brach, Christopher Wilde, Austin Garrett, Stephen Cook, Justin D.
Starting point is 01:06:30 as in D's nuts, Michael Oxley, Tom Hutton, and Hannah Nenlis. I have Angela Felton, Nolan H, the Liz Benoit crew. Oh, man, that'd be fun to have a whole crew. Whole crew. Lisa Cheetham, Roup Grove, Jonathan Tony Herdy, Squid Deville, Alden Evoque, Daniel Morton, Leonid Levchenko, Megan Duvall, Mark Limburg.
Starting point is 01:07:04 Limburg. Limburg. James Stewart. Oh, James. Oh, meow, meow. I wish I could hear you on the show. That's all the left and said, I killed my family. Zoe Hatch, Christiane Story, Lauren Macharoni, Shani Zamora,
Starting point is 01:07:25 Jeffrey Belu, hey, Jeffrey, Alana Watson, Paul Redding, Bridget O'Malley, Mike Reinhorter, Nathaniel Barter, Saicio, Russ Frobiter, Shelby Schultz, Melissa Coulson, Skyler Berge, Megan Collar, Amanda Tewel, Sean Warden, Skandor Akbar, Chad Stewart, Brian E. Clark, Alyssa Sable, Amanda Monofo, Ludwig Hornström, A. A. David Blood, David Blood, Zach McAllister, Christina Huntwerk, Raven Hirtle, Robin Hardwick, Dave
Starting point is 01:08:20 Barley, Alan Shinklenas, Theodoric Ripper, Kate Kurt, Kurt Manor, and Louis Gaudet. Well, thank you very much. Thank you for your money. Of course, thank you very much, everybody. Give me your money. Gives to our Patreon. If you would like to give even a dollar helps and a dollar
Starting point is 01:08:44 gets you a shout out, go to patreon.com slash last podcast on the left. Thank you guys so, so, so very much. And we've actually got some very cool new content coming out for the Patreon exclusively. Just you. Just you. We'll talk about it on the show.
Starting point is 01:09:03 We'll announce it. It's super cool stuff. And it will be coming soon. Coming all over you soon. Hail Satan. Hail, Geen. Hail yourselves, I guess. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Hail me. And a megustalation. My god, I love it. For more shows like the one you just listened to, go to cavecomedyradio.com. I'll see you guys next time.

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