Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 250: Children of God Part III - Flesh Daddy

Episode Date: December 10, 2016

On part three of Children of God, we cover the religious prostitution that was Flirty Fishing and the most disturbing cult artifact that came out of the 20th Century: The Story of Davidito.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last stop. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? I've been pumping fire, man. Really? Yeah. What have you been doing? Just a lot of... Did you just do that? Didn't you sit at the house? Yeah. All day now I just go on and off my exercise bike and I pump iron. God, you must be frightening in the living room. I'm loving it, man. I'm doing push-ups on my knees.

What is Travis, dude? Is he just sitting and just watching? Looks to me. If he comes in here with an AK-47, he's about to shoot up the fucking Capitol Building. That's it. Alright, welcome to the show everyone. I am Ben Gissel with Marcus Parks, and he's back from Disgusting Los Angeles. He's in studio. I'm in even more Disgusting New York City. I love it. As soon as I come over to BQE and see the skyline,

I go, all these other fucking cities are trying to be that skyline, but they can't be. They don't have the fucking guts. And they're not built on a trash heap. We have the guts to live on top of a gigantic radioactive trash heap. So brave. Well, speaking of trash heaps and overall things that are disgusting, this episode, I'm sorry. What we're going to talk about, it is disturbing to say the least. If you say I'm sorry, I say you're welcome.

Alright, well, it's Children of God, part three, and it's just getting ookier and gukier. I say ookier and gukier. I don't mean gukier. We don't have to clarify. It's more of a spunky. You know what I mean. It's very spunky. It's very spunky. This episode made me feel like Pete Townsend doing research. Yeah, me too. That's exactly how it feels.

This is going to be the low point of our Children of God series. It's going to be a four-parter. This right here is all of the disgusting stuff that we've been alluding to, that we've been handing towards for the last couple of episodes. This is it right here. This is why the Children of God should be wiped away. If you're babysitting right now, wait till you're done. Yeah, definitely. Don't listen to this with a child or anybody.

If you have a child like on your knee, get rid of it. Get out of there. You're disgusting. First of all, if you're walking near a playground or even if you're thinking about having a child, don't listen to it. Don't listen to this podcast. Absolutely not. So let's start off with flirty fishing. Flirty fishing is something that we've been alluding to for a while now.

Let's finally get into this practice. Flirty fishing was a form of religious prostitution based on Matthew chapter 4 verse 19. Follow me and I will make you fishers of men. Basically, he was talking to Paul and Thomas, who I assume must have had the sweetest apple bottoms in all of America. All of the whatever in Jerusalem at the time. Because Jesus Christ was just surrounded and don't get me wrong here,

but I assume by 12 homosexual men in the desert. Oh, tight men. There wasn't enough food to be fed. And so they're walking around dressed as ladies like Bugs Bunny in the cartoons cartoons and contracting men and then they flip off the fucking dress. I mean, I got you. And then the guy that they fished was just like, Oh, I knew all along.

I could see mustache at bottom of scarf. Yes. I don't think this was supposed to be a parable or an analogy for sex. It was supposed to be about saving people's souls, right? Well, I mean, that's whatever. That's what my parents led to me to believe. Yeah, and you remember when we were in high school, there were all those douchebags that wore the hooks on the bills of their caps.

Yes. What was that about? That was about fishers of men. They just liked bait. Everybody that this is all, I mean, you know, yes, of course it was supposed to have a nice meaning, but this is the coolest meaning of all. Flip it into prostitution. I guess so. Yeah, I always thought they were just ready to fish whatever. They were looking for a bass.

So starting with just women in the inner circle, Berg ordered members to go out, pick up guys wherever they could, seduce them, and then bring them back into the cult afterward. David Berg at first justified flirty fishing by saying it was the only way left for the children of God to recruit members as they were being persecuted so widely for their practice of litnassing, which was just handing out pamphlets. I see. But that still happens nowadays with, like, you know, Greenpeace

and people like working for LGBT sort of thing, and they're doing lovely work for very good societies, very good charities. They're annoying as shit. Don't talk to me. Don't look at me. They harass you on the streets. Don't touch me, which is why... Do they touch you? They sometimes will, like, do that thing where they try to flirt and they touch your arm and I'm like,

don't you fucking touch me. Yeah. Don't touch me. I'll burn your whole building down. And then again, I escalate. You seem to bring it to another level there. Yeah, what they're saying is that they needed a more clandestine way to recruit members through unconventional methods and so flirty fishing was born. I do like the idea of Gary Ridgway picking up one of these Christian prostitutes

and then he's in a torture chamber. He's living the horror life that he wasn't even expecting. He thought he was going to kill them. And now he's a member of the Children of God? That's worse than anything. Oh, no. Gary Ridgway would have strangled her to death long before she started talking about David Berg. You're always right, Dogbeat.

I'll have to give it to him once again. Now about the FFers, as they were called, Berg said that they should not let self and pride enter in and reminded them that according to 1 Corinthians chapter 6 verses 19 and 20, their body had already been bought by Jesus through the crucifixion and this was their way of paying him back. This guy's playing fast and loose and when it comes down to it, he could have done whatever he wanted. But again, we're going to see that David Berg used the cult to sort of live out his own fantasies and a part of his fantasies was being a gigantic pimp.

Yeah, and that's exactly what this was. And these women, they called themselves, you know, like hookers for Jesus. There was absolutely no pretending here. They knew exactly what they were doing. And that is kind of a biblical trope, you know, Mary Magdalene and all that. Because she was blowing Jesus, right? Yeah, she blew the whole town and he saved her life. But then you have to suck his dick if he saved your life.

I would assume there's some documents that we're missing. That's an Italian rule. I'm not going to disagree with you. These officers in Rome get blown every day just by faking killing people. You know what I mean? They fake. It's a bad system. Now Berg's ultimate justification and the justification he would eventually use to excuse any and all horrific behavior the cult might engage in was from Titus chapter one, verse 15,

which said, to the pure, all things are pure. And it's just after you say it over and over again, after you just got done molesting your granddaughter, then you turn to the side and go, to the pure, all things are pure. But I think you could even take it to a situation where you're chewing your gum. Oh, it accidentally falls out of your mouth. You got to pick it up to the pure. All things are pure and you pop into a piece of filthy wriggly.

Technically, that's where the five second rule came from. I think that might be the case. But it's sad how the five second rule then somehow in some twisted way led to molesting your granddaughter. You know what? You are caught up on that. But at the same time it happened and I have to be, I have to allow that to... You are a little jammed up on the whole molesting. It's really fucked up. They just seem to be the thing that you can't get out of your brain at home.

Oh, I can't get out of my brains. This right here, this is a clip of Berg talking about flirty fishing. My sexy little fishes are doing their job. They tease them, flirt with them, then screw them until they drop. That's the way to bring them to the Lord. Forget all that old fashioned gospel preaching. We're six times more effective than Billy Graham. Praise the Lord.

Hallelujah. Good God. He sounds like Bob Ross and the old guy from Family Guy, the child molester. He actually does kind of look like Bob Ross. He does. A little bit. If Bob Ross only painted gaping, you know, God knows. Yeah, I don't want to say anything. This whole episode is so disgusting.

But one thing I do, I will say the term refreshing. What I find refreshing is that David Berg is at least out in the open about it being a total sex deviant. Where most priests do that on the private, inside of their offices. He came out and he made pamphlets about it. I suppose you know what you're getting into. Well, I mean, really, actually, you didn't know what you were getting into because a lot of times, a lot of times the children of God,

I mean, it would start off with, I mean, it would start off with you couldn't even hold each other's hands. They really edged people into this. They edged just for the life first. Those are the people who have been there since the very beginning. That shit flipped like really, really fast. At this point, they're traveling all over the world. Once they got to the point that they were moving from compound to compound,

when they got away from Fred Jordan's ranch and they were like basically on the run 24-7, that's when people started fucking. Yeah. God, that must have been exciting though, if not incredibly stinky. And also against every rule of family that's ever been. Yeah, it's like a non-musical version of when the band and Janice Joplin all got on that train.

Yeah. Neil Young was there and Bob Dylan went to Canada. But it's that imagine if Neil Young was also your fresh, perfect daughter. See, it's another time where you seem to be caught up on it. I have no choice. Well, you do have it. Well, we're going to move on. Now, as with everything else and the children of God,

Berg tightly controlled every aspect of flirty fishing. Here are, according to David Berg and an illustrated mo-letter of the same name, the seven Fs of FFing. What is it with it about cults and using acronyms and using like initials? Because they have to repeat this stuff over and over and over again. And if people hear just an acronym, they don't have to necessarily think about a concept anymore. They just think about it as technical terms.

It's because Scientology is obviously very guilty with the SPs and all the fucking horses. Well, they repeat this shit over. They have to repeat it over and over so much to really get it stuck in their members' heads. And it gets a little cumbersome to say flirty fishing over and over and over and over again. It's also interesting, maybe only to me, but the fact that in the older ideas of earlier Jewish religions and Christian religions, it kind of seemed like they put more emphasis on the long things and the big, long Latin masses and reading through the huge tomes of the Torah,

where they thought that that was more important because it was big and lofty and really complicated, where now in modern times it has to be really short and simple and it has to be like TGIF. Yeah, thank God it is Friday. Now, let's go through these seven FFs. Number one, effective. That's a E, though. It has two Fs in it, so if all these words have two Fs in it, I'll still give them FFs. All right, sounds good.

E, effective. And just the first four years of FFing, Berg said they witnessed to over 400,000 souls, meaning that they talked to 400,000 people. They tried 400,000 times. They cast that lure out, where he said they only actually fucked 63,000. What's the percentages on that?

One out of seven. Hell yeah. Was Wilt Chamberlain a child of God? Yeah, he was half of that. It seems like a lot. Yeah, and out of those one out of seven, half of those stayed in the children of God. I mean, one out of two ain't bad.

That's pretty good percentages. One out of two out of one out of seven. So that's actually, I think, one out of 14. I think it's 0.5 out of seven. Is it one out of 14? I don't know if that is... Everybody's shut up. I'm not a calculator.

It's not a math podcast. Number two, effective. That's not a word. Which is the same thing. He just made a new word and made it number two. Effective? Effective and effective. You gotta be effective and you gotta be effective.

David Berg again, refreshing in a way that he was very silly. He was just got drunk. Yes. We'll call it effective. And he was specifically wine drunk, which is like the type of drunk where bubbles are coming out of your mouth and you're fingering your family. I'm sorry.

Okay, well again. Red teeth. Remember that? That makes the whole thing so much worse. It just reminded me. Imagine my grimace was my grandfather and he was blowing me as a child. Number three, fruitful.

He finally got to an F. Fruitful. Do it as much as you possibly can with as many people as you possibly can. Number four, efficient. Okay. I mean, it really bothered me. At this point, he's already fucking everybody,

so it doesn't even matter. He's already torn your family apart. You can't see your mince words about fucking Fs. Well, I guess that is another two F words, though. Yeah, it is. It's a strange way this is working out. Yeah, I kind of got, you know what? I'm kind of with you on that.

So as far as efficient goes, by the time flirty fishing came around, Burke had begun to abandon hippies completely. He said that their message, quote, must not be spread amongst our rich elders and influential businessmen, politicians, and government leaders if we're able to obtain their favor

and protection and to continue to have opportunities to reach their young. Good Christ. He's right, though. Now, the fifth one, or actually, yeah, number five, financial. Make your catches so grateful of your sexual skills that they, at the very least, will make a donation.

And not coincidentally, a lot of FFers also worked as escorts. No way. That's stunning. So I love that he does call the John Payne, the prostitute, just a nice donation. Yes, it's tipping them. Yes, it's a little tip.

I don't know where the tip jar is. I think they should be paid a living wage. I agree with that. Number six, official. Two Fs. Okay, wow. I mean, I didn't know the rules already been set up. And that's make sure you fuck influential people

who might be in a position to help out the family should any legal trouble arise. And that's just a good lesson for life. For anybody out there, fuck somebody important. It'll help you. Yeah, ruin their life. Look what happened to Elliott Spitzer, you know. If they leave their socks on, they got money.

That's a fact. Yeah, because he's too busy. Too busy. Don't take the socks off. And number seven, forever. Hey, all right. In the first four years of FFing, 300 children had been born from the practice

as birth control or even pulling out was not allowed in the children of God. And these kids were known as Jesus babies, the most famous of which we'll get to know later on. And again, this is a really sure fire. This is a perfect way to add numbers to your cult. Yeah. It isn't the perfect way to add numbers to your cult.

How about having a message that doesn't involve prostitution? Because then it wouldn't be a cult. And then it would just slowly have a... Because eventually it wouldn't be a cult who would become like a business who would become something good. In order for it to stay, if you want to like not fucking sell out and stay a cult,

you get your followers to have unprotected sex with various rich men, get their cash, have babies into the cult. Now you're getting numbers. I guess so. But what guy doesn't wear a condom when having sex with a prostitute? That's going to be a massive red flag.

The influential businessman. And Europeans. They don't wear condoms? Nah. Well, they're on circumcises. That's a big jump. That's a big jump. I think we're going to get letters on that.

But I do concur. I do imagine that most Europeans, they just shoot it wherever it comes out. It seems to be confusing for the job. This is also the 70s as well. No rules. Yeah. This is the 70s.

No rules just right. So Karen Zerbe, Berg's wife, aka the new wine. And nothing's better than a fresh, brand new wine. She was the very first flirty fisher. Now while her and Berg were living in England in the early 70s, they came upon the idea that the most effective way

to get people to listen to their message was to just fuck them first. And he said, hey Karen, you go out and blow that guy over there. I want a Snickers. I mean, it's not wrong. I understand what they're, they really just went for the most simple plan possible.

They really did. Yeah. And so Zerbe took ballroom dancing lessons and hit the London nightclub scene. Her first successful fishing expedition brought home an Englishman who was dubbed King Arthur by David Berg in a series of 23 mo letters

called King Arthur's Knights. The Nightcrawlers. I just feel like he might have liked him more than she did. He does talk about sexy men quite a bit. He does. He says these, I actually don't think he did a lot of, of homosexual activity.

I don't know. I think maybe he dabbled. It was definitely in there. I think he tried it out and just didn't like it. I think he liked watching his quote unquote wives have sex with other men. Yeah. I think there was something about that he really like,

because he obviously is getting off sexually about them going out and having sex with these men. He just likes people to be happy around him. I guess. I don't know. He seems like a good party host. I don't know. I mean, I think they're having fun sex around him.

He's just eating cheese. I think there's a lot of quiet crying happening. I don't know. In the series, King Arthur's Knights, The Nightcrawlers, written about two years after the expedition itself, Berg said that since being brought into the cult, King Arthur had become a central member in his inner circle,

and that this was proof to Berg that the method worked, and so it was expanded to all members. The first place that flirty fishing was widely practiced was in Tenerife in Spain under Berg's personal direction. Now this is actually, Tenerife is actually an island off the Spanish coast. I looked it up on a map. They said that it's a very interesting,

in the book that we've been reading for a lot of, we're getting a lot of research from Jesus Freaks, they say that it's very interesting that he really solidified the flirty fishing concept while at a bar hammered. He was at an island bar drinking fruity margaritas with his five wives around him, literally going to be like,

you know what would be kind of fucking awesome if we all started fucking them for money, and I got the money. Did you like Pina Coladas? He's literally that song, but mixed with a cult. Yeah, he had a group of about 20 people, both men and women, and those people were instructed to cast their nets

as wide as they could to catch as many fish as possible. He tested it out with these 20 people for a couple of years before he actually put it out into the general population. What an incredible life that must have been for a hot second, that leader of that cult. For the prostitutes? No, not for them, David Burke. He's there on an island bar.

He's got the steel drums. I think that's the Caribbean. I don't think that's in Spain. Everybody's got steel drums. Just because it's an island doesn't mean it has steel drums. If a country has pants, they have a steel drum. Steel drums are the easiest fucking instrument to play. He's there for four years.

The party's never got to stop. He just switches out the wives. He's sitting there eating nothing but coconut shrimp. Oh, I love coconut shrimp. I'm going to Applebee's today. I've decided. There's nothing better in the world than a Lido deck on a cruise. Can you imagine your whole life being a Lido deck?

Lido deck is. Yeah, what is a Lido deck? You're a white trash person from Florida. What's a Lido deck? A Lido deck is where a lot of times they'll have a hamburger bar or a Sunday bar next to the Lido deck. The Lido deck is not the general population like sunning deck where you go down.

The Lido deck is normally an elevated thing where the people that don't want to take their clothes off in front of everyone sit on lawn chairs. They're larger people. The food, though, but it's fun. It's the fat cruise area. Mr. and Mrs. Dubrovsky, right this way. Yes.

So you got extra Coke everywhere. Thank God. Oh, God, oh, 47 ounces of Coke. You're going to take this 47 ounce glass from my dead hands. You should just enjoy the hamburger buffet. Okay, just enjoy it. Every two hours they re-up it. There's a tone.

It plays every two hours when they re-up the buffet. Like drooling fat dogs. Yes. But that's the dream life. David Burke's living the dream. I have a question when it comes to the male prostitutes. When they get impregnated, the theory then would be that guys are trying to impregnate women and then they have to convince them to have to get in the cult.

The point isn't to get impregnated. Getting impregnated is a wonderful sight. It's a happy accident. It's a happy side effect. The whole point is to bring new people into the cult. That's what my parents said I was. A happy accident? Boy, that's just a way of saying they don't want you. At least they're flipping it and saying happy accidents.

Happy accidents. Well, really, the men, what their job was, I'm pretty sure because I was really thinking about it and trying to figure out why they were bringing in the men and that really comes in with the catacomers. And the catacomers were members of the cult

who were not allowed to say that they were members of the cult. It was named after the old Christians who had to hide in the catacombs to meet and worship and all that. But the reason why they were catacomers and why they couldn't tell anybody about being in the cult

was because they were all underage. And I'm pretty sure that the men, flirty fishers were there to lure in underage girls. Yeah. Really, over the years they catch Arab oil millionaires, international financiers,

military officers, among many other regular people, most of whom, at the very least, contributed financially to the children of God. And some flirty fishers dispensed with any pretense that they were actually prostitutes. Like I said, they called themselves hookers for Jesus.

I do want to get a baseball jacket that says hooker for Jesus. That's kind of fun. And they participated in what they called ES-ing or escort servicing. Again, a perfect example of taking the escort out of it. Basically, you take the s, the word out of it, so you take the power away from the idea

that you're actually having sex for money. Exactly. But because Berg had banned all contraceptives, the children of God became a breeding ground for VD. But Berg said not to worry, writing, Can you trust God? You won't catch anything, including a germ

or a sperm. And that even if you do, he'll keep or heal or help you to bear all things. Come on, man, dig it. Get groovy with it, buddy. You got a bit of a, is that a mole? Oh, you should get that checked out, because it is growing. But don't worry, God will heal it.

It's like a disgusting Dr. Seuss. $5 coupon to the Burger King. Go and go over there and enjoy yourself. Or I forget about that pesky, oh my God, it is spreading visibly in front of my eyes. This looks like the map from Outbreak.

Slowly turning red. Further demonstrating his control, Berg made each colony fill out heavily detailed, monthly FF report forms that would be mailed to the children of God's Italy office. These things were extremely detailed.

They had to say exactly how many times they'd done it that month. They'd have to say if they'd done it with a live-in, which is somebody who was brought into the cult, a friend of the cult who was someone who was a part of it but didn't live with him, or catacomers who were, as I said earlier, underage kids. They even had

like an FF-er of the month. They have monthly rankings. You've got to have it. People need prizes. People need trophies. I mean, I guess so. They had the top, every month you had to list your top three. Who were your top three FF-ers? And he had, I mean, he had a whole mow letter that was all about

what the rules of these report forms were. I read a lot of mow letters over the last few weeks. These things are, they are almost incomprehensible. They're rambling, and above all, they are fucking disgusting. They are very, very disgusting. And there's over 4,000 of them.

So there's a lot to read if you're interested. I mean, I only read a few dozen, but Jesus Christ. Go to Borg. That has all of them. The ones that they could find that are archived there, and there's a lot of fam, the children have got music, and then all of the story of Davidito, which we'll get into.

I mean, or don't go to that website. Just what's on ESPN? It's fascinating. It's all run by former cult members who've gotten out and... What I think is so interesting, the Oakland Raiders are doing great this year. Are they now? Are they as rough and tumble as they've always been? They're rough? That is interesting.

They're rough to the chiefs, though. Anyway, what are we talking about? Don't change the fucking subject. We can't change the subject. We did a lot of work on this. Hours of work. I read an entire book about this. David Carr, great season. Wow, what a guy. Everybody gather around.

Go around. Listen, listen. This is Mary. She has just 30 Fletcher of the month. March. March, everyone give her a round of applause. Isn't it absolutely the coolest, most groovyest thing on the face of the planet? Her vagina ate her own legs. And what I heard, tell me Mary,

if it is true or not, you did 12 men at once? Yes, it was the Oakland Raiders. Wow, isn't that exciting. Maybe that's why they're doing so well. No, as flirty fishing was being introduced, the concept of sexual sharing was also being integrated

into the children of God's belief system. This meant that any and all children of God members were not only permitted, not only encouraged, but were required to have sex with each other, including their own family members, and including children.

The worst part is the required part. The other parts are like free will, you can do as you might want to. The required part makes it illegal, I think. The whole part is illegal to have sex with your mother. It's illegal to have sex with children.

If that is wrong, if having sex with mommy is wrong, I want to be wrong. That's how jazz music started. What? How did jazz, what? We're going to have to get into now. God. I don't even know how to begin to

control that. Ben kisses understanding of music history. Jazz music started. You want to get into that? I really want to hear how I say having sex with him. Let's give him a solid 45 seconds to explain how jazz music was started by having sex with my own mother.

Well, because you can't have jazz music without tension, and then what's more tense than wanting to have sex with your mom, and then if you think about the horns, and how fun that is for people to play, and every mother applauds a son who can play an instrument.

25 seconds, you have 15 seconds left. Well, I don't like to get into it, but we don't know the origins of jazz, and I think it's important to remember that there's a whole series of possibilities out there. I wish this was a live news recording, like if this was Red Eye, and you hear like the gum wrappers

and their pockets move, it's so quiet. How did jazz come about? You tell me, because... Ken Burns did like an eight part series on it. I'll tell you how it started. I'm sure he covered it then. I'm sure Ken Burns had a whole chapter on the love between that.

It started just like this. First caveman would do that. Well, let's get into one of the most infamous mo letters. It's called the devil hates sex, but God loves it. And this is David Berg justifying

everything. There's nothing in the world at all wrong with sex as long as it's practiced in love. Whatever it is, or whoever it's with, no matter who or what age, or what relative, or what matter.

I'm talking about natural, normal, godly love as manifested in sex. As far as I'm concerned, for whomever, there are no relationship restrictions or age limitations in his law of love.

But system laws make it all against the law. And if I tell you what I think, I probably break the law of publishing it. Woo! Wow! The system really stinks. I mean, the Bible is full of pedophilia.

Yeah, I mean, it's full of pedophilia. You can see the expansion of the thought. Yeah, I mean, there's a ton of incest in the Bible. Yeah, it's like lots of daughters after they left Sodom and Gomorrah they got him wasted two nights in a row

so they could fuck him so he could have an heir. Rock and roll! Oh my god. I guess you know wow. I wonder if Lot took a pretzel to his wife because she was all salt. You dip that there. And that could be where the first deli cart came from.

It was just Lot's wife. And that's how it becomes cute. Then the Bible's cute. I love it. But I do think he's you know, you can see where he's coming from if you look at the Bible as a literal text, it's disgusting. He can justify all of this shit. He can cherry pick the Bible to make it say

whatever he wants. And again, this point everybody's giving up their lives to him so you kind of just rolling with it. And then you're also going to find out that many sex of the children of God did not fuck their families. They read it and they're like okay and they would kind of roll with it.

There were not many free love versions of the cult. You're literally just talking about the 20 people directly around David Berg were the ones really living in that family sharing bullshit. Today's sponsor probably shouldn't be but still is adamaneve.com. Go to adamaneve.com

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at checkout. That's LEFT at adamaneve.com use the code LEFT at adamaneve.com Now David Berg not content to just abuse those around him also started forcing women teens and young children to send him videos of themselves

dancing nude in a series he called glorify god in the dance. Here's his son talking about it. It was very very explicit he wanted three songs one slow get faster than fade out

he didn't want you to be totally naked he wanted you to have you know use some he was more into the Grecian thing that make it beautiful but he are he made it very instructions from he made it very

instructions from he made it very he made it very he made it very instructions from A to Z how to do it so he was kind of like Ed Sullivan yeah A to Z that was the show you were on

Thursdays NBC it's never coming back because you should have seen man the first version of the F is for flirty fishing oh yeah you never got there yes he had the teeth of a used cigarette filter

how do people think he's sexy I don't understand any of this you know it's really interesting so they say the word sexy instead of like horny because they're saying instead of saying there's something about about dictatorships and cult leaders and what they do about you change the meanings of words

right using the word sexy in changing it for meaning horny like saying like my boy is a sexy five year old boy please do not isolate that no it's gonna be I know I have no choice it's already over saying it's sexy to be horny now right instead of saying him being

not that he's just sexually aggressive it's that he's sexy because he's sexually aggressive David Berg is a sexy dad what he meant to say is my dad is a horny guy instead of my dad is a sexy guy absolutely disgusting

the idea is that you equate it to then whenever he's horny it means he's sexy now he's sexy it's like Ed Larson from round table of gentlemen used to operate back in the day when he was single I don't understand I don't think Ed wants to be equated with that good god

well as far as you know you say you know he had the teeth of a used cigarette I mean this is an excerpt from that same video and this is a really good example of how brainwashed these women actually were this is

a woman in that video talking directly to David Berg and on the first take I was masturbating to you and um when I came I broke out in strong tongues I couldn't control it

and the last few words were father I love you just fill me with your seed Jesus I mean can you imagine just walking into this cult for the first day and you're like that's who you think is hot then you're like I'm

I'm of 10 here I guess that like Ron Jeremy is considered attractive by porn standards it actually probably keeps men in the cult that's the whole idea is you're trying to keep the whole society together David Berg is the epitome of sexiness then you know we walk

in there well the vast majority of cult members never saw David Berg in person all they knew about they rarely even actually saw photos of the guy usually the only thing they saw him from was in those illustrated mo letters where he would draw himself as like you know

your classic concept of God pretty much you know bald head long beard either he do that or he draw himself as a lion like a man with a lion man with a lion's head it was very interesting and yet also how you isolate you create the myth I was reading this article about Prince and they were talking about Prince knew

that from early on is like the less he said about his inner workings how he did stuff unless he told people around him how he did stuff the more mysterious he was and it attracts people to you because they want to know they want to investigate the mystery and David Berg knew that instinctively being like

if I isolate myself I create this gigantic utopian version of myself and then it helps you you know because it's easier to masturbate to a fantasy then to a real spiny old man with fucking horrible wine breath and like stained fingers huh

yeah of course not all the members of the Children of God went along with all this bullshit unfortunately for those members most of them were teenagers because there were a lot of kids that were growing up especially in the late 70s and mid 80s these were kids

that were born into the cult what they called second generation kids and it's very interesting the cult became really unstable when the kids that were born into the cult started becoming 1314 because they started becoming like of a normal mental age where they could reason for themselves

and sort of being like this is really fucked up yeah my parents are batshit and saying yeah so they started fighting against it it's very cool it's kind of almost like the who song like came to life it was like a who song that come to life where the kids like took over except they didn't yeah and then of course they go and they fall in love with the who

and actually you know Peter Townsend's arrest the whole thing's falling can they just be with a normal person once yeah these kids when they were rebelled they were sent to what the cult called teen training teen training happened in secluded camps usually

in third world countries the worst of which was in the Philippines where rebellious kids would be subjected to public beatings starvation seclusion being tied to their beds at night and public humiliation the most unsettling practice they had at these camps was the use

of a crude elastic device attached to the ears and the corners of the mouth that physically forced a smile a device that they called the smile machine well I actually like that because

it comes down to it smile on the outside first and then you start smiling on the inside it takes less muscles to smile than it does to frown and with the smile machine it takes no muscles to smile and you know what I think is interesting and I'm not going to say that this may be inappropriate it'd be kind of fun to give some of the people who give in our

podcast one star the smile machine so that they can enjoy some of the smile you're listening anyway my favorite I've listened to all 300 episodes it stinks so by 1978 there were plenty of people

who were understandably not on board with the whole prostitution incest pedophilia abusive road the cult was walking now I can't believe they weren't on board yeah so Berg instituted the R&R or the reorganization nationalization

solution to purge those members who objected that same year down in Guyana Jim Jones would lead over 900 people to their death in the Jonestown massacre leading to a huge public backlash against cults that have been steadily building

since the Manson days because at that point like cults were kind of scary you know the Manson family they were you know they were billed as a cult but it was more of a hippie type thing and the Massacre that was when people really started to realize that this whole

cult thing regular people could be taken in with it you know it was you know your sister your brother even your mother or father could be taken in by these cults so there was a huge national backlash doomsday cults are going to end in a doomsday yeah that's the whole point

they have an ending built in right yeah I mean really the children of God are kind of they're more of a reform doomsday cult well yeah because it means he stopped doing the doomsday thing as soon as he realized oh I could just fuck everybody oh I see then life goes on yeah then

you realize it's because then you could fuck until the sun explodes it doesn't matter I don't know I mean dad was a real sexy guy I've heard the raiders are great now 11-2 I believe last year much worse I guess you could call a group of men having sex with their children a group

of raiders bringing it back I know we have to thank you thank you I appreciate that he did a good job with that but this is the it's this episode yeah yeah oh yeah and it's about get worse oh okay yeah now Berg as he would do again and again

throughout the years saw the writing on the wall faked a disbanding of the cult to get a little heat off himself and changed the group's name to the even creepier family of love that's like going from Jefferson airplane to Jefferson Starship yeah much much scarier

but by 1978 the messiah of the children of God had already been born a little guy named Ricky Rodriguez a.k.a. Davidito poor

poor Davidito yeah so this is where it gets well it continues to be rough yeah it's going from sandpaper to stegosaurus's back oh I love the stagomizer yes yes so in 1974

when Berg and Zerbe were still experimenting with flirty fishing Zerbe reportedly had sex 137 times with 18 workers at the beller hotel where the group stayed about this Berg said those sexy

men are crazy about Maria especially the smaller ones and the janitors they are the sexiest of all so sexy you could call them criminals I think I might call them criminals that's a physical feat she's a real athlete

137 times you know what actually in my head the first thing I thought of was how happy were those hotel workers they were extremely happy it was just one woman 18 guys so you're looking around you're mostly

you're looking at 38 balls I'd say somewhere to be honest probably 37 you gotta imagine one's losing one's a Hitler in there and those guys that travels I imagine through a hotel's like gossip channel

hey come quick there's one downstairs she's taking all of us that's hotel workers I don't know I don't know eventually got pregnant and somehow pegged a waiter named Carlos as the father

well they played the not it game he just showed up late because he was stuck in the bathroom with diarrhea why you guys all raising your hands oh fuck I'm the Padre now the book of revelation says that at the end times

two of God's prophets would emerge to battle and eventually defeat the antichrist and according to Berg's interpretation one of those would be his wife Karen while the other would be not Berg but little Ricky that's nice he gets a promotion

this decision came from Berg's obsession with the number 7 which also plays a huge role in revelations as we all know first 7 in Ricky connection at the time of Ricky's birth Berg weighed 77 kilos that's 77 bags of cocaine

I was just thinking about that next Ricky was born in the 7th hour of the 7th day if you consider the beginning of the day to be 6am and Saturday to be the end of the biblical week that's fuzzy math but it's kind of true 6am you could say that's the beginning of the day

no why technically midnight's the beginning of the day no 6am is the beginning of the day and midnight it's still night midnight is technically the next day that's why I never understand when people say it's really early morning I mean 3 in the morning but I say that's a really late at night because normally I go to bed at 3 in the morning

that's just because that's again that's fuzzy math that depends on what airport you're in that depends on what business you're in 8am when do the cartoons start on Saturday morning? that doesn't happen anymore you are ancient

8am furthermore Ricky was born on January 25th 2 plus 5 equals 7 and the bill at the end of the hospital stay came out to 7000 and it also went to 7 different creditors before it was eventually not paid

oh my god it's like the end of the movie it's just this is madness it's fuzzy math it's very fuzzy math now even though Ricky was not Berg's biological son he got around this by saying that David was Ricky's spiritual father and not just his

quote flesh daddy as he referred to Carlos that's me now that's my new name you want to be flesh daddy? yeah absolutely but to my friends I'm skinny daddy now you're flesh daddy you're definitely flesh daddy

no way is anyone calling you skinny daddy I don't want to call you flesh daddy but I want to call you skinny daddy less okay so you're talking about so you want to be called flesh daddy one seventh of the time and then skinny daddy one fourteenth of the time

fuzzy math I don't know if any of that works out and Carlos by the way skipped the fuck out of there as soon as he realized he wasn't just having fun gang banging with the crazy American woman there was actual religion involved there's one story of what happened

so Carlos did not know he was a father when he showed up Kathy went and got him and said I have to show you something miraculous yeah this is in the mo letter life with grandpa and he did not know what was going on they go to a hotel room where he did not

know David Berg the doors open by this old man he's like Carlos daddy come inside no clue what's going on they walk to see a baby's crib and he's just like you're the father of our new savior

he's just been banging on the side he is a hotel mate and they all know that they've been having sex with her he shows up this woman is like you're the father of the prophet and David Berg pours them all a glass of wine and he's just like okay

now let the sharing begin he tried to get Carlos to molest his own son and have sex with his wife in front of him in the room and Carlos like waited till he finished the glass of wine and this is true and then got the fuck out of there

he stood up and said no vangas amico on that but the penalties in the NFL I feel like Adele's gonna loosen up the rules a little bit you know it's really hurting the game but this is true is that Carlos just in a world of

just like can you imagine this this is why tinder will tinder's gonna end in this I don't I just you're the father of the prophet the fucking four words you don't want to hear at the end of the day definitely not

and that is true that's a story that he told in the illustrated mo letter life with grandpa because the whole it was Berg talking to little Ricky who is asking about his

he was asking about daddy why am I brown you know he's like why am I brown and you're white well you just be like don't worry about it John Leguizamo will explain this to you in a Netflix special you'll relate to him or my childhood friend Eric Rodriguez I remember we were like

we were like five or six years old and I remember it saying to him at some point I was like I didn't understand why are you browner than me and he said because he had a tan really young as a baby because you're like the whitest of all the races Henry I'm pink

technically I'm pink so this was his explanation God just used Carlos only to fuck mama so that I could have you he was just like an instrument or tool that Jesus used to help create you for his kingdom

praise the Lord he compared himself to a farmer saying the crop belongs to the one who tended the soil not the tools he told Ricky our penis is like a plow and a woman's womb is like a furrow in which the man plants his seed

I am like the farmer and you are like my little crop you know this is just it's fun it's a good dinner it's a fun family dinner but I gotta go to gum what am I doing right now

you are holding your gun and well all of that does sound extremely fucked up extremely inappropriate it wouldn't even come close to what would be written in the book that would obsessively document every detail of Ricky's first few years

on this earth clocking in at 762 pages the story of Davidito is perhaps one of the most disturbing cult artifacts that still exist to this day I think a good way if you really want to ruin Christmas

let's say you are having problems with family and you really want to ruin it print out a gigantic pdf copy of the story of Davidito and just start reading it on Christmas I would like to print it out and then put it inside of a Harry Potter book

have you read Harry Potter? you would be put in fucking Guantanamo and be like Harry Potter I heard that's kind of fun and then she's thumbing through that and from now on I will stop calling him Dickie because it is a very serious story thank you Henry

Ricky Rodriguez is possibly the saddest person that we've ever covered this is really this story the actual story of the guy Ricky Rodriguez the fourth episode is all about him it's only about him

he is he is a broken person we remember in the abstract this stuff is really ridiculous sounding like David Berg of course is a ridiculous disgusting old man and you read it you imagine your grandpa

grabbing a nurse's ass in a nursing home but when it's actually your grandfather it takes a level of a truly tragic angle his life was tragic he had no chance whatsoever growing up in this shit

because when you hear about all this shit you're not really able to visualize the victims of this type of situation and these types of people and Ricky Rodriguez we're going to be covering a victim here so originally published

in 1982 and later re-released in a heavily edited version after they realized that people could use this fucking document to prosecute them for child abuse the story of Davidito was supposed to be a manual for raising children

there is nothing I think the most haunting thing about the story of Davidito is that what they did is they replaced their faces with hand drawn drawings on top of all of their faces smiley faces and it is brutal to look at no yeah it's not good no it's certainly not Stanley's best work

no he always puts himself in the movies too he's an appropriate self-service Stanley isn't a, he's not an artist he's more of a writer, if you said Steve Ditko then you know that would make I'm sorry is this wizard in the bruiser

on cave comedy radio go check it out in the middle of this horrible story well that's the perfect place to plug it I think the book was used as a guideline for the second generation of the children of God who as we said earlier were made up of members born into the cult mostly Jesus babies born out of the

tens of thousands of flirty fishing encounters and remember they thought he was the prophet so they thought that every single bit of his movements needed to be recorded his story needed to be told and then if we're raising the prophet this way every child within the children of God should be rated this way

the Nixon like ego on these maniacs having to record everything let's make sure to record all the felonies every felony I commit let's make sure to record it and to give you a scope of how many people followed this book and believe that a kid named Ricky Rodriguez

was the Messiah in 1978 the children of God claimed 8 thousand members living in 228 communal homes worldwide in 1983 alone the year after the story of David Ito was published

the cult reported 746 births you know what I'm sorry I don't have any sympathy for these cult members people are fucking stupid I don't understand how anyone could read these mold letters it just drives me nuts

you're a lost person you're willing to believe in anything you're at this point you're looking for any sort of structure you said this exact same thing with Ohm Shinrikyo I hate the people millions of people watched Peter Pan live on NBC and I watched a little bit of Harrisbray live

and I thought that was actually pretty good no John Waters Harrisbray but it was pretty good yeah now Ricky often called the brown prince I also will say I think that it was a relief because that was also Dr. Ben Carson's nickname throughout his college

he decided to change it when he ran for president and I thought that was very responsible he was given forth to the cult as the perfect example of what a child should be and his upbringing was the perfect example of how a child should be raised and since his mother Karen Zerbe

was too busy with the day-to-day activities of the cult to actually raise him most of Ricky's childcare fell to Sarah Kelly aka Sarah Davidito and Angela Smith aka Sue Cowton these women were two of Berg's

elite flirty fishers so who better to raise the messiah platinum card holders Sarah fell into the cult in the early 70s at the age of 18 and was Berg's commentary for 30 years described as one of Berg's most

dedicated and mindless followers going so far as to freely offer her 7 year old daughter to Berg for sexual purposes and Sarah's sexual depravity when it came to children seemed to have no bounds whatsoever as her sexual contact with Ricky

began when the boy was just 17 months old I'm going to actually also put this out there from her writings and we're going to get into this is I actually also think she was a little slow I think that she was the perfect victim as well like she got pulled into this thing

she was fucked up in the head and because she was also not the smartest human being on the face of the planet it's easy to flip these people it's kind of like Gary Ridgway but that's how I put Gary Ridgway is like this Ed Kemper is kind of like this

people that are kind of stupid that end up doing really fucked up things and get the dumb dumb pass that's when you shit your pants on a ride at Noah's Ark you know a kissle family story I did not go to Noah's Ark I didn't evacuate

I didn't evacuate it's very specific this Christian this Christian theme park Noah's Ark is a great theme park in Wisconsin check it out it's in the Wisconsin Dells which makes a lot of money off of Native American imagery but then they don't give any to the Native Americans

anyway this woman is disgusting this woman is absolutely awful but really you can compare these people to the Manson girls spacey idiots that get me turned into something evil

they're taking in when they're 18 and they're just completely and totally flipped around until they do anything that this person tells them to I understand there's escalation and stuff like that it's just incremental escalation

and of course these people wouldn't be doing this shit on their own you know like Susan Atkins never would have murdered anybody if she hadn't hooked up with Manson she had the infrastructure which was good for her personality at some point but then goes awry when it goes to murder and I am against

murder so we were gonna read some stuff from the story of David Ito and then we decided to cut it because it's blood fucking curdling and it's not like in a fun way

like the Albert Fish Stuff is like in a fun blood curdling way I think it's fun because my life led my life up to this point but it feels like reading child pornography and we read a lot of it ourselves

so I think I'm just saying if you want to go ahead and really ruin your day read the story of David Ito and it's on xfamily.org if you want it's really fucking disgusting like I said it's the worst cult artifact that has

ever existed or at least in the 20th century and it's just like if you're driving your car and you were listening to us read it you'd probably pull off into the other side of the highway no one would be happy it's absolutely atrocious what they did to these children as someone who had a lot of abused kids

coming to my home with foster care growing up it is there is no crime worse than what they did to that kid and everyone in this cult should you know forever pay a punishment for it. And again it's also the concept of normalizing the way he wrote about the abuse and the way Sarah his nurse made

wrote about the abuse is so innocent like it's so like oh this is a matter of fact everybody kisses their fucking kid on the penis like everybody does this shit it's like no they don't. Yeah I mean it was extremely innocent how they wrote it I mean that's how Don Latin put it in his book Jesus Freaks

it was so innocent these people were full of belief that they were doing nothing wrong at all like one page would describe like toddlers humping each other and use it as an excuse like using it as an example of how awesome they were doing raising the kids and the next we're going to a discussion

about how Ricky Stamp collection is a quote tremendous teaching aid in geography and it's not it's boring oh well they should all be tortured forever well they're all dead not only people are dead yeah no they're not actually most of them are still alive they are really Sarah still alive yeah Sarah still alive

Karen Burry Karen Zerby still alive she's still in charge yeah they're not only still alive they're thriving I mean well they should all be brought to justice that's what I say I want John Walsh put your pants back no John Walsh is done John Walsh you'll find them all that's what

should happen and Ricky he was raised right alongside this other girl whose name was DeVita and Ricky was raised as the Messiah while DeVita was raised as what was supposed to be a sexually liberated child and we're both were put forth

as examples of birds child rearing abilities and so as we said earlier these people you know they didn't put their own faces in there you know of course they thought there's nothing wrong with this this is a completely normal they obviously thought there was something wrong with this

they put their fucking smiley faces over their face yeah but they were saying it's the system that's gonna come after us for this this would be one of the areas where I agree with the system yeah that's why the system is there kind of have to because there's a bunch of religious fanatics going around doing horrible things to be this is actually the whole reason

why the system exists people weren't fucking their families and our key would work that's a good point no well the main perpetrator was definitely the nanny Sarah there was another nanny present Sue Cowton who while she didn't participate

as hardcore as Sarah did would be the only one to pay for her part in the story of Davidito which we will cover in full on the next episode and that gets kind of intense

the story of Davidito gets fucking really really intense yeah yeah because then it turns into the story of just a kid named Ricky who's trying to deal with this horrible upbringing that he had kid named Ricky turns into armed dude named Ricky yeah yeah Ricky with the knives

well you can't disagree with him for being upset no you can't you can't oh I mean that's what that's what breeds these sort of people you know and that's what we're really gonna get into the next episode is it's pretty much the more than anything it's the brain of a vigilante yeah yeah

alright so sort of it's like Batman yeah but then we'll get to see what actually happens if Batman exists and also he was an electrician oh Batman was kind of an electrician in a way you knew a lot about gadgets

and stuff like that alright so that's children of god part three we'll get into part four after this and then we'll be done with this and they'll never talk about this subject again yeah I hope everyone can forget the subject quite frankly you know you know that's it the problem is that we're latched onto a horse that's

called we like details and I think that's a good name for horse running and the Kentucky we like details yeah that is a good horse for the problem of a horse called we like details when he does the children of god race the Kentucky derby children of god race at the end of the race he doesn't get to the finish line

he blows his fucking brains yeah well I would agree I would hope that everyone in that cult probably should have but that's my opinion anyway yeah and that's my opinion anyway that's the new segment of Ben Kessel here I think they all should have blown their brains out well thank you guys for listening we got a bunch of live dates coming up

we're going to be in Portland Seattle December 16 or 17 you know Marcus I know you like to dig holes and this is sort of you know a philosophical one or what do you call it? a grave a grave well Henry handed me

the shovel there it is and you know what we got it we got to deliver the truth alright it comes down to it it's the satanic light of fucking honesty man we can't fucking guilt guilt over the fucking details no and to some degree I actually agree because these are disgusting details

and you got to understand how gross it is to really combat it and understand how serious these problems are absolutely group think is bad yeah this is one of those things where group think always leads to fucked up shit like this it never fixes society there's never an exact I'm not the sort of example of a cult making something

good for society if you have five friends and you all have the same haircut it's a cult it's a cult get out you just don't do it you're out get out look around right now if everyone has the same shoes everyone has the same haircut and you're considering only wearing robes get out

get out yeah that's exactly why we cover this stuff that's exactly why we get into the details some people can really see the consequences and they can really see what happens if you get into this bullshit and you can see what happens if you mindlessly follow anyone and little allowances build up to something

big exactly little things and that's even in personal relationships to everything everything all abusive relationships it's a stupid concept which I guess they found is real the idea that if you throw a frog and boiling water it hops out but if you just turn up the temperature it'll fucking die in there which apparently scientists say is wrong so why is it still as fucking

saying but at the same time if you look at little allowances they can also really be beneficial the Raiders were drafting offensive why are they drafting offensive linemen who cares and look at the team they have now what a strong core but is it like a cult is essentially an abusive relationship

there are these little things that get turned up more and more and you say yes just a little bit at a time and you feel icky about it you're like I like all the good parts he's got good things there's good days there's good times in the cult and now fuck the bad days but then all of a sudden

the bad days outweigh the good days and all of a sudden you realize oh this whole thing's been bad you're tied economically to them your entire existence is related to them weaponized botulism in a warehouse waking up early and taking the train in Japan and that's a big reason why a lot of these

people didn't leave because really the children of God this whole like the whole pedophilia incest thing this was as Henry said this is a small group of it this is a very small part of the children of God for because we have a ton of listeners

who were either who were former children of God members or had family members that were in the children of God we've gotten a ton of emails and Facebook messages a lot of these people just kind of got wrapped up in this weird thing they didn't go all the way

with all the sexual sharing and all that type of shit but they like living like this like weird kind of hippy lifestyle a pure lifestyle with God this was have a pure relationship with God that was all about like getting rid of property and identity and getting rid of all of these concepts and this gets to a point

where we have some of that stuff for a reason the one thing that's never really talked about about these people who are in the cults they're a bunch of elitist scumbags in their own right they look at normal people as if we're wrong that's the whole point they're the ones who are projecting they're the one percent

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