Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 254: Jack the Ripper Part I - Cockney Yoga

Episode Date: January 14, 2017

It's the beginning of our Jack the Ripper saga this week as we paint a portrait of the hellish district of Whitechapel in 1888 and cover the first two of the eleven Whitechapel Murders as well as the first of what is known as the Canonical Five. Casa Bossa Nova Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Baba Yaga Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommo

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started Your latest tweet was about urinating on the future president, I will do it Kiss in his mouth like those clowns in the carnival. You know those clowns in the carnival You'd like shoot piss in their mouth to the balloon pops out of the back of their head, you know I never fantasized it as urine. I always sort of thought it was more of a water type thing You never thought of that as piss. No You're a moron. I think you're the dumb one

It could be true. Um, are we good to go marcus? All right, welcome to the show everyone I am ben kissle with marcus parks, of course and beautiful los angeles All I want to do is get a real clown Get him down on his fucking knees, right? But spray piss in his mouth till his brain explodes and then I'll get all the tickets Well, that's kind of a strange carnival game. Maybe in hell. Maybe that would be a good episode of your pretty face is going to hell I would be laughing. That's not hell. That's so much fun getting to kill the fucking uh, you know a clown Oh, uh, technically like a talentless person or you know, some or someone with the initials dt

Blown on his brains with just the force of my powerful piss stream I guess one person's hell is another person's heaven. Isn't that how it works? Uh, well speak of the hell We're going to talk about one of the most hellacious crimes in the history of humanity. Oh jack the ripper Oh, yes. Now before we get started, I'd like to thank the good people at the jack the ripper museum in london For providing me with some of the main source material for this series Including the books capturing jack the ripper by neil bell and the jack the ripper files by richard jones But capturing jack the ripper shouldn't that just be like one sentence being like we didn't

We didn't get it. Can you call it capturing? I don't yeah Well attempting to capture jack the ripper doesn't have the same ring to it. That's true We almost captured jack the ripper 140 years ago by neil bell Now despite what the papers say the museum is staffed by extremely friendly individuals that are very knowledgeable Historians and I would recommend it to anyone visiting or living in london. Cool. What are you talking about? What slanderous papers have been written about the jack the ripper museum? There was quite a bit of controversy about jack the ripper museum as the Architect for the museum was told or he said he was told that he was building a women's museum

Uh, that was going to he said he was uh, he was told by the people that he was building a women's museum That was uh celebrating the life of women in the east end in the 1880s And then when the curtain dropped on opening day jack the ripper museum Wait, hold on. So he told he told the public he was building a women's museum No, the people who were building the museum told the architect that it was a women's museum And then when the curtain dropped is like decked up is like, oh, yeah, there are women in it This is how every architect in world war two germany felt when they're like, we they said it was a hotel There are like five dead women that were ripped by a psychopath

I'm gonna do the same thing when I go to a pitch meeting in abc and we may like it's about two girls They're struggling in new york city. Uh, they're going out. You know, they're they're finding themselves in the sexuality And how difficult is it to be single and then when I send them the pile that'll be jack the ripper Them just get fucking gutted like fish. Well, which is inappropriate Well, I will say that the museum does actually do a pretty good job of a painting a portrait of what life was like for women Uh, and particularly, uh ladies of the night in In uh, 1888 in whitechapel bat girl bat girl lady of the night. No By the way, we do have to say uh, the term prostitute will be used in this episode

We will also I will also say sex worker But I think officially the best term is ladies of the night ladies of the night. Yes So I like to say friendly women That's very true also Now let's get to jack The ripper I'm trying to think of music from in the 1880s and I don't know. I didn't mean that's what I imagine sounds like If you would have worn bells and had horns they would have caught him. I would have had that. Yes Now the jack the ripper murders occur between

August 31st and November 9th in the district of whitechapel in the city of london in 1888 Now, what many don't know is that the Ripper murders are only five in a series of eleven that stretch from 1888 till 1891. And while we will be addressing some of those, we will be focusing on what is known as the canonical five, Mary Nichols, Annie Chapman, Kate Eddowes, Elizabeth Stride, and of course, Mary Kelly. Now, we're going to say this right off. We are not what you would call classical Ripperologists.

Because there is an entire subsection of true crime aficionados that do refer to themselves as Ripperologists. Wait, hold on. I'm going to say this as a person who is a UFO expert. I think that there is only one classification in the world of horror nerdom that is less useful than UFO knowledge than being a Ripperologist. UFO. That's what I'm just saying.

Ripperologists also sounds like the name of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre family. You get the feeling they call themselves Ripperologists. See, the Ripperologists also sounds like a new fucking hipster, like barber where you go and they just take out your nose hairs and your ear hairs. I desperately need to go there. But we never caught him. Nobody knows who he was. All of the evidence is fucking 150 years old.

And what you wrote here, the conclusions that you can come to eject Ripper just depend on what source material you believe is correct. Yeah. There are dozens of contradictions and inconsistencies while working this. Some people trust the police more while others tend to side with the newspapers at the time. Thank yous. The fact is that you can read whatever you want into the Ripper Murders. Which is why they have hung around for so long and why people are so obsessed with them

because it's fun. You get a bunch of useless people to get together and they can write thousands of pages talking about- Yeah, everyone kind of gets to choose their own adventure. Find out who they want to be the killer and things like that. You can pin anything you want onto Jack the Ripper. Now what we're trying to do with this episode or this series of episodes is to really give you a feel for the people of Whitechapel, the place where they lived and died and just

how we got to where we are today with how we view the Ripper Murders. There will undoubtedly be mistakes and inaccuracies in the next few episodes. What a fool speaks. That's what I say when I hear Marcus say inaccuracies and mistakes. We're talking about you flip them around again, colorful truth. Yeah, what is truth, you know? No, we're not historians and we've done our best with all of this but we ask you to bear with us as we enter the district of Whitechapel in the year 1888.

Put a clothespin on your nose because these people only take baths every six months. I'm technically the cleanest one in town. I had a bath five months ago. It's a witch! Why is the witch? I knew it wasn't good to be clean here. Now, simply put, Whitechapel was the biggest hellhole in all of England. Simply put, Whitechapel was the biggest hellhole in all of England, not to mention London.

It had the highest death rates, the lowest life expectancy, and it was the most densely populated and most crime-ridden area in the entire country. You could get a really cheap apartment. Yeah, I'm thinking that. Yeah. Almost half a million people who lived in the East End, 76,000 lived in the square mile where Jack the Ripper operated, and thousands of those residents were classified as homeless and one out of four children died before the age of five.

And decreased the surplus population! Yeah, that is a crazy high number, 76,001 square mile? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Now, it's kind of like how they described the tenement areas of New York City in the 1920s. Like once we really opened the immigration to early New York, like down in what is now

the village, all that place was crazy, just people living on top of each other. Yeah. Yeah. Now, because we here in the States were coming into our own in the 1800s, Britain wasn't quite the economic powerhouse that it once was, and the people at the bottom were getting the brunt of it as usual. But even though they were in an economic slump, Britain was still doing pretty good. Now what you've got to understand is that there were two London's, West and East.

The West end at one point had been where many working class people had lived. But in the 1800s, much of the working class housing was demolished to make way for office buildings and such. And so all of those working class people were shoveled into the East end, where all the factories were. And all those cockney yoga shops. Oh yeah. You go and take your nuts and you got a ramming up and said, you know, yeah, you got it there,

Gabriel. And he puts on a small of your back, breathe through it, you fucking ape. Breathe through it, you fucking fat ape. Now, besides factories, the East end was chock full of slaughterhouses, which was a bit of a problem when the Ripper murders began, as there were dudes constantly walking around covered in blood carrying big bags of knives. This is a perfect storm for somebody who wants to become Jack the Ripper. Yeah.

Same thing as we talked about the beginning for HH Holmes, right? I would say the idea of like a kind of a lot of people just out on their own, searching for a future. We're going to see a lot as we've seen a lot of serial killer cases about how the location itself, the setting for the murder, create these perfect stews and soups. It does sound like people covered in blood holding a corpse. It sounds a lot like Chicago now. So isn't that exciting?

Yeah. It's also, I can see Marcus just smiling, just imagine the pure freedom of being able to walk around with big bags of severed meat. And blood covered knives all day, just grinning and whistling, because that's job now. Right. And unemployment records being so high, if you saw someone with a bag of meat covered in blood, he's successful. He's got a job.

He's bona fide. Now, if you didn't work in a slaughterhouse, you might work in one of the many sweatshops in Whitechapel making boots or cabinets. But the hours and conditions were of the standard sweatshop variety, and job security was nonexistent as there were throngs of people just waiting to take your place if you fucked up or complained in the least bit. And they only made boots and cabinets. I think that's all they had.

Or you might work at the docks, but that was all dependent on if you could get an employment ticket from the foreman first thing in the morning. And that was dependent on if you could win the daily brawls that occurred every morning trying to procure one of those tickets. So now, do you think that those guys ever sat in a group of four and said like, hey, which one of us is the Kerry and which one of us is the Samantha? Sort of a sex in the city thing. Yes.

Not only were people being pushed in from the West End, but people from all over England were showing up looking for work as their jobs had been decimated from the mechanization of agriculture and textile industries. Go ahead to add to that the influx of Irish immigrants who arrived in the 1840s after the Great Potato Famines. And then you mix in the Jews who are arriving from Eastern Europe to escape widespread pogroms. So the Jewish individuals, of course. Yes, the Jewish individuals.

Thank you. Yes. No problem. Yes, Jewish individuals. Ladies of the night. Can I ask you? Hell, he's a friendly woman. Yes.

I wanted to ask a question that I've always wanted to ask, and maybe it will prove me to seem ignorant. During the Potato Famines, was it that they, and this is a question, did they run out of potatoes, and that was the only thing that they ate, or that they had nothing else to eat but potatoes, and that they were all on the no-carb diet? What happened was, the potatoes, they ran out of basically all the food except for the potatoes, and the potatoes, they got sick. Ah.

Yes, there was a potato famine because they ate nothing but potatoes. And then the potatoes... I ate almost nothing, but for a long time I ate nothing but potatoes, and I just got big and fat and swollen. We got those good GMO potatoes. They never go bad. Science. The thing is about Whitechapel is that there were worse places inside an already terrible

district. The worst area in Whitechapel was dubbed the Evil Quarter Mile. Not even trying to hide it. Yeah, but the realtor just called it Up, Up, Up, Williamsburg. It was just... I mean, how do you sell real estate in a place like this? North, North, North, North, North, North, North, Williamsburg. It's incredible.

All you need to take is nine hours with the flights to get to Manhattan. People would pile 20 deep into a single house, entire families would share one room, and every once in a while that room would sublet a corner to a complete stranger. They were sublating corners in rooms that were already filled with entire families. Did you just chalk it out? How do you... I mean, what... You know what, I'd say I'd dare them to last a fucking... to a fortnight with a Zabrowski

family renting just a corner of our house. Oh my goodness. Yeah, that would be disturbing to say the least. But the most common place to stay in the Evil Quarter Mile was where many of Jack the Ripper's victims slept each night, the common lodging houses. Now, in total, these places housed an estimated 6,000 residents, and the majority of the single beds were known as four-penny coffins, so named because they cost four pennies and they were shaped like coffins.

You know, humor's supposed to be an escape from the dark. Right. You know what I mean? Like humor's supposed to make you feel better. At this time, you'd imagine you'd have a couple of Jimmy Fallon types wearing a fucking Jester's hat and walking around talking about how they could suck their own dick, and everyone's laughing at them. But what I do like is the fact that they have these four-penny coffins, and they laugh

about that. That's like a joke to help alleviate how they're just mashed into each other's pubic hair all day. And that's a good bed. I think it's kind of fun. Yeah. I mean, because we were different because we were essentially goth people, and I also want to live like Vincent Price and like lay down like, here's where I will retire eternally.

But I don't think it's like that. It's not Elvira coffin. It's not. I always thinking of what it was. Is it Lawrence Hutton from Once Bitten, the Jim Carrey feature? Yeah. I thought I always wanted to be like her. No, if you didn't have money for a four-penny coffin, you could rent a two-penny rope.

Those were half hammocks made out of strips of coarse sacking. For some reason, I feel like everything is death themed. I don't know if that's very appealing. It was a bleak place, and if you didn't have money for the two-penny rope, there was the penny set up. But you know when it comes down to it, why are you paying a penny just to sit someplace? Because it was inside. Oh my God.

Yeah. There was the two-penny set up was a spot on a long wooden pew in which you would either sleep upright or just slumped on the person next to you. Well, if you can learn that trade, or trade, that's actually really good for future office work. If you can learn to sleep upright, you can breeze through a day. Yeah, you just got to paint ping pong balls and tape them to the front of your eyeball so it looks like you're awake during the meeting.

And always shocked. But what a good job to be the guy that rents out the pews. Because really all you need is a slapping stick, right? Because that's all you got to do that you got make way, make way, like to the next thing you're like, oh, you can squeeze a little bit. Oh, you two can get on top of each other. Right? Yeah, a bit of a gliff.

Right? Gliff is what we call when two men give each other a bit of a snob. A snob is what we call when two people give each other a bit of a wreck. And a wreck is what we call when two people give something what I have heard is called affection. We think of the English as such a proper people, but in reality, it was a filthy bunch. We think of the upper, like when we think of the English, we think of upper class putting the pinky out when they drink their tea.

That's who we think of with the proper English. Well, and these are the people who would be the first on the boats to come over to America, right? Yeah. If you did not have a penny, like literally if you did not have one penny, there are always the streets, the churchyards, the graveyards, or most popularly, the parks. Now, Jack London wrote about one of these parks in his book, The People of the Abyss. His focus was on spittle fields in a place called Itchy Park.

Yikes. Itchy Park in spittle fields. Well, that if I don't know if they had crystal meth back then, but if they did, you could get it at Itchy Park. Now, he said that it was, quote, a welter of rags and filth, of all manner of loathsome skin diseases, open sores, bruises, grossness, indecency, leering monstrosities, and beestial faces. I did nothing to help them.

Yeah, with his top hat and a cane stepping on people's eyeballs. Oh, no, this is Jack London. Jack London was an American. He's a beautiful writer. No, I know he's a beautiful writer, but he had a little bit of money. He could have done anything. He could have at least blasted them with the hose. I know that it's now that's obviously seen as a way to break up civil unrest, but at

that time, that would have helped everyone. We don't know what information they have. Let's find out. Get them wet. And so as bad as the lodging houses were, they at least weren't Itchy Park in spittle fields. But if one wanted a place to actually lay down, you needed four pennies. And it just so happened that four pennies was the going rate for street prostitution

and Whitechapel in 1888. Now, Kissel, if you were truly alone and you had to choose between a bed and sex, what would you choose? For four pennies, the exact same thing. You get to lie with a person or without a person and one is in a coffin and the other was with a person and not in a coffin, the person every time. I mean, I'm thinking here, you know, if you are a woman, what's the incentive? What jobs do you get?

The factory work? Obviously, you're not going to be working at the docks. You don't want to work in the meat factories. Being a woman of leisure in the evening would be the only other alternative. What else were they supposed to do? They were not of leisure. You know what it was is that I just feel I'm almost jealous of them because they really got to express their sexuality.

I think that it was good that they could own it. They worked it. They grinded until they owned it. And I think it's big. I think it was big during that time period. They weren't up there like, you know, poppin' their pee, which is a popular term nowadays. Poppin' their pee? For vagina.

They pop it. They pop it up like that. I thought poppin' your pee was something like if I hit a hard speed bump while I'm looking for parking and I pissed my pants. Yep, pop the pee. No, this was not glamorous prostitution. This was not owning your body. This was survival, plain and simple.

Deadwood prostitution. Yeah, families' literal survival might depend on a mother, wife, or daughter prostituting yourself. But other women had turned to prostitution as a way to pay for their drinking habits, which was the only tiny escape they had from the crushing brutality of their daily lives. And we can all agree the drinking would probably taste something similar to what we would lick off a bar floor now. No, it was beer.

Yes. They were big beer ladies. But it wasn't very good beer. No, I mean it was penny pints. This is my question, Marcus. I was actually thinking about this the other day. Do you think that the booze in that time period was stronger or weaker than it is now? Because I feel like a lot of times they were trying to make booze faster, so the booze

wasn't as strong. Well, it was... Because if you look, watch Deadwood and they're just doing shots all day long. I feel like you're not hammered. They're not like what, like they're not getting a white girl drunk all day. They're literally just, it's just a weaker form of booze. Well, it was a long... Well, it was a lot easier to water down beer and liquor back then because, you know, it

didn't come in sealed bottles or in those big metal kegs, it came in just glass bottles and wooden kegs. No one knew if it had been opened up, no one cared if it had been opened up. So it was very possible. Some places, like watered down beer, watered down liquor, that was a, that was a definite possibility. I could see myself liking this place. I don't know, I would be a big butcher, get your drink on at night, that could be kind

of fun. Yeah, you could have definitely been a guy who pushes people over on the bench or like throws drunk guys out of bars and stuff. You would have been a giant. Oh, never mind. They would have quartered me in the town square. They would have tied four horses to me and murdered me. Actually, if you look at the average height of someone in Whitechapel at this time, you

would have been a foot and a half taller than everyone. Than the average. Yeah. Like, it was so much that like one of the victims, she was 5'5 and they called her Long Liz. Long Liz. She was the tallest woman they'd ever seen. I would be alone, that's for sure.

Now, the number put forth by the Metropolitan Police during the time of the Jack the Ripper murders of just street prostitutes, not even counting those in the brothels was about 1200. And almost all of them did their business in the back alleyways and secluded backyards of Whitechapel. They weren't bringing guys back to their apartments. They weren't bringing guys back to anywhere inside, they were doing everything outside on the street. And how long would one of these interactions last?

Couple minutes. Come on, come on, come on, come on. Yeah, these guys aren't looking for the clitoris. They're not like lighting candles and slowly nibbling their way up from the ankles up to the butt cheeks. They're going like, oh, oh, oh, just, I thought he would be longer outside. I thought I'd last longer if we would do it outside now and I got a bunch of blokes watching me do it But I'm just as fast and for that. I give myself a handshake

What a time yeah, and that number of street prostitutes was considerably higher than it was in the winter of 1887 when a rich muckity muck led a moralistic campaign that led to the closure of 200 east-end brothels, so they couldn't even have sex inside They're literally doing it on the street when we say street prostitutes Is they literally go into alleys and they go like zip zap zip zap Zop and then they're done and this made very dangerous for women Yeah, of course. Yeah, exactly because that guy I mean he felt like it was a moralistic victory that because he closed the brothels that there would be you know That screw in the woods. Yeah, they would have to there would just be no more prostitution boy

That he was thinking if they're gonna do it if they're if they don't have anywhere to do it inside They're not gonna do it at all, but he was very wrong All this did was make women easier preyed not just for the ripper, but for unsavory characters of all kinds No kidding they see there were gangs that made their living robbing prostitutes There were pimps known then as bullies which is where the name comes from that's where the word bully comes from used To be an old name for a pimp they would extort them for protection And then there were the men who just refused to pay for their services and when instead beat up the prostitutes in dark alleyways And then there were of course other prostitutes who were always ready to literally fight for their territory

Good now one might ask why a woman would risk all this just for the sake of a little cash The answer is very simple a woman can make more money in one night as a prostitute Then she could in an entire week in a sweatshop and now imagine what a sweatshop at this time period is like if you've now Heard what the apartment buildings are right in this time period not sweatshops Now I imagine working for a week at a sweatshop in the 1880s London is fucking horrifying And the idea is that you could be free be your own boss for the most part and basically what you have to do is endure a Little bit of pure horrible danger and you can live a much freer life And there's some stories of women that used it to sort of like create their unbrothels or move forward or get out of white

Chapel but then a lot of times the booze because life was so crushingly fucking terrible all the time would just ruin these people's lives I mean I used to complain about working at Taco Bell and in Papa Pizza Hut and never worked at Papa John's. I thank God But you know, I mean this is really horrific stuff here and this is before labor laws and everything like that Oh, I complain about being professional comedians. Yeah See these women that were doing all the street work. They were known as quote Unfortunate and every night they depended on the darkness of white chapel to do their business And that is one of the most important things to know about white chapel. It was dark

See there was a cut. There's a common misconception that these murders were carried out quote by the gas light That's always what we hear about the Victorian times that anytime there was a crime anytime something happened at night It was always by the gas light in reality the gas light was over on the West end White chapel had almost no street lights whatsoever at night Well, you know as I listen to this I used to have this idea of Jack the Ripper sort of killing more of an aristocratic bunch You know, you always they sort of they make him look much more, you know upper-class than apparently he was or and his victims in a Lot of ways well It's mostly because of the rumors that spread over who he was his secret identity for many years a lot of times

They talked to this concept of gentlemen Jack like somebody who came From the West end to the East end to do his fucking sordid bullshit and then destroy the evidence and then come back That's kind of the that's a common idea of who Jack the Ripper is right, which I think is interesting When you look at this just psychically, right? West end has lights Theater is becoming huge there. That is where all the aristocracy are that's where they hang out do stuff They move to the East end, which is literally physically black. We talk about when we come to a lot of times with weird Psychological symbols when it comes to serial killers like the idea of like, you know

When endgame to keep his mom's house perfect his mom's room perfectly done and now John Wayne Gacy would have to go down into the basement to Do his fucking his his fucking deeds and that he buried them below his house And it's like psychically he's also hiding them It's kind of interesting how like this is such a beginning to that idea of the of the serial killer Psychology is the symbolism where it's like you literally go from light to dark that places literally Elaborants of dark alleyways and side streets where all of these weird crimes that would happen they kind of Really started the wave of sexual serial killers and the fascination about them Electricity has saved millions and millions of lives in many ways

But to be fair to John Wayne Gacy, you can't go and bury them on top of your house You know, you can't you can't staple up. They can't be shingles unless you put you fucking sample some antlers to him Get a fat dude in a sled side of the back of them. Oh look, it's my new fun reindeer display, but John if you mr. Gacy It's July. It's why I celebrate all the year. You ever seen Scrooge I watched that movie Scrooge and it said keep Christmas in your heart every day of the year Why does it just have to be one day? Why do they look like boys? Oh? They are boys Now as I said the jack-the-ripper murders all occurred in an area that was just a hair over

One square mile the five canonical murders were only a few of the 11 murders Historically known as the whitechapel murders these murders actually began before the death of Mary Nichols The first official Ripper victim they began with the brutal beating an assault of Emma Smith a Prostitute who is killed by a gang of three men on bricklaying in an extortion attempt And now while it is almost certain that the murder of Emma Smith had nothing to do with Jack the Ripper There is the possibility that the next murder that of Martha to Brahm may have been Jack's actual first victim now a few months after the death of Emma Smith the body of Martha to Brahm a Middle-aged prostitute was found in a pool of blood on the first floor landing of a tenement building in George Yard

the only thing anyone heard was a stark cry of murder In the middle of the night, but as cries of murder were as common as the tweeting of birds in whitechapel Nobody paid it any attention. So people just randomly were just screaming if you saw a body You just like murder and keep on moving. It was usually if someone was trying to murder you you'd yell murder murder murder Oh, that's why you get a scream free popcorn. Yes, and then everyone comes to your help And to your assistant to assist you know when Martha's body was found It was discovered that she had been stabbed 39 times from her throat down to her lower abdomen

Now this isn't exactly the Jack the Ripper MO as she had been stabbed as opposed to ripped But this does fall in line with serial killer behavior and we know that many serial killers Experiment before they finally settle on their favorite method of killing Gacy stabbed his first victim but moved to strangulation once he got a taste for it and Like Gacy the first kill of a serial killer is a lot of times an impulsive act Where the killer loses control and finds that once he's actually gone through with his desires He likes it and wants more and if you look at the psychology between obviously the

Psychology behind the other Jack the Ripper victims is that when someone kills a body and has a body and does this sort of Mutilations that they do to a body number one They're getting some sort of weird sexual thrill out of it Which kind of comes from the rush of starting to just stab somebody and discovering what it means to you Like if you have someone who's fantasized about it and fantasized about it and then finally got to do it And then it's grown like go go go and then just start stabbing you like crazy This is obviously some sort of intense rage-filled sexual crime Which it also goes through the that that that theme runs through the rest of his murders

And it would be pretty horrifying to escalate from here 39 stab wounds to the torso and neck It's like I guess you can only go more violent than that if you if this is your first kill Yeah Now it could be that Martha to Brom was the Ripper's first loss of control as the first canonical victim would be found only three weeks later However, it must be said that there is ample evidence from the coroner's report That there were two different weapons used in the attack and that the wounds suggest that some were done by a right-handed man While the rest were done with a lefty now while some will argue with me on this all Reliable evidence said that the Ripper worked alone. So it is

Fairly safe to say that Martha to Brom was not a victim of Jack the Ripper because they think that it was possibly done by Two men either way white chapel was already on edge in the autumn of 1888 I'm gonna say this right now though. If you do email to argue with dog meat Just fucking pause for a second at the end of the email. Think about what the fight is you just you're trying to do 150 years ago Go for walking apart. You know, I mean like if you're about to sit center of the email Just hold on a second before you decide to really go into the true evidence of the autopsy reports that are 150 years old I just want you to just go

Find a dog go to a pet co and And we'll hit the dog but we always appreciate the feedback, of course now at the time These were the most brutal and bloody murders that the East End had ever seen that is until the body of Mary Ann Nichols was found on August 31st 1888 Mary Nichols was a 43 year old prostitute five two with gray eyes graying hair and Missing four of her front teeth two on the top and two on the bottom She had married in 1864 and had birthed five children But her rampant alcoholism like with many of the other rippers victims had driven her family away on the night

That's a what a good way to get rid of your family You get to have a good time, you know, I mean yeah get to party till you don't have a family anymore Yeah, I think that's what all alcoholics say in no way are they shells of human beings that feel totally shattered by their reality They're thrilled to be alone all the time Yeah, after she after her family left her it was six years of prostitution and alcoholism For Mary Nichols on the man's like Hotel California, man It's living the dream on the night of her murder if Mary Nichols was drunk and looking for four pence to pay for a night at The common house she ran into her friend Ellen at around 2 30 a.m

And told her that she had made her four pence twice over that night But it's spent it on drink at a pub called the frying pan. Oh, that's don't brag about that ladies If you if you have drank your hotel money down, it's not the fun. It's not a fun story I don't think Ellen was happy to hear I think Ellen was like I'll go I say Mary You're depressing the fuck out of me Because I know I even know you need to have a bed. It's like a big thing to be inside I don't know man frying pan sounds like a great place to get trashed He does now Ellen tried to get Mary to come back to her with come back with her to the lodging house

But Mary was adamant that she could still make her money and pointed to her jolly bonnet as she called it as proof That she was up to the tax and I'm not victim blaming whatsoever, but you know the conversation was like I'll do it I'm sure gonna do it so you can do it. Tell me I can't do it I'm also gonna say this. I've never chose to slept with a woman because of her hat This is you know strange London Now sometime between Mary's meeting with Ellen and 330 a.m. That's about an hour Mary met up with the man that we have come to know as Jack the Ripper

He took her through a dark gateway in Bucks Row to a thoroughfare Lined on one side by two story houses and the other by warehouses there The killer pulled out a knife and quickly slashed Mary's throat from left to right Severing her windpipe before she had the opportunity to let out a single sound She fell to the ground and died almost instantly The Ripper laid her on her back and cut the neck again this time severing her spinal cord Hmm, he then moved down and jaggedly cut open her stomach from the bottom of the ribs on the right side Down to underneath the pelvis

He then stabbed her twice in the pubic area and ran away Possibly chased away by the sound of the man who discovered the body a carriage man named Charles Cross So now there was no sexual intent here. He just wanted to murder well There was definitely was when you look at the nature of that crime when you're playing with the guts like that when you're doing that cut When you're dismembering the body it is about There's a sexual release So you think that he had one? Possibly I imagine he came his britchers. Yes, but I did watch a documentary called the secret identity of Jack the Ripper with Peter

Euston off where they were he got like a panel of guys from FBI together and it was like this made in 1988 on the hundred year anniversary a bunch of docs came out in 1988 because it was the honey hundred year anniversary and Peter Euston off had this guy from the FBI now Peter Euston off is a big fat flabby-faced British actor It's like we we were got to the bottom of this mystery at the end of this one hour Documentary no they of course they don't they did not but the but the guy that they had the FBI you would they describe this crime He was like no tell me a director happenstance Tell me how does one kill someone so silently and he's like well I'll tell you how you do it and he grabbed the mannequin. It's they're going like we got you got cut the throat like

Cut the throat like this and then you put it put it down And he was so fat and just sweating all over this man You go give a quick slash slash Yeah, and then Peter Euston off. It's like he gets up and he stands It's very awkward because it's British television. They don't understand to edit it to be snappy in the piece to use an office like a beat and he's like Thank you We don't know if he finished the did he climax though the FBI. I think he came in British. I don't know Now Charles Cross the guy who found the body as it was dark

He hadn't seen the extent of her injuries So he put his hand on her chest and he felt it move so it's possible. She was still breathing He went to grab a policeman and he told her she's either dead or drunk But as they arrived with the constable in tow Constable shown his bullseye lamp on her body to see blood oozing from the deep cut on her throat And as soon as the body was taken back to the mortuary a local resident started her day by washing all the blood from the gateway And soon almost all evidence of the murder was gone Oh, that's good. It's just like what the LAP did the LAPD did with OJ. Just just clean it up, you know

Come on. It's whitechapel. You don't want the sidewalks to look messy. That's very true See now while this may be viewed by some as extreme incompetence in reality The police had already gathered all of the information that was useful to them They knew she had not been dragged with a spot They knew she had died where she was found and they knew there was no struggle since the extent of forensics at this time Was just making plaster casts out of footprints There wasn't a hell of a lot that they could have actually done and there was no real reason to leave a gigantic Pull of blood in the middle of a public thoroughfare for the public to trod through on their way to work that day

Says you Now let's get into the police just a little bit the concept of a police force was relatively new in 1888 with the world's first organized police force being created less than a hundred years earlier right there in London Now the modern force the Metropolitan police have been created less than 50 years earlier in 1829 from the beginning the population viewed them with suspicion calling them blue devils and Raw lobsters interesting Cops for the raw lobsters from now on it's a strange term for them Now to give you an idea of how dangerous it was to be a police officer

The first constables took to the street wearing leather collars to prevent garroting and high beaver skin top hats Which protected against blows to the head. There's they just look like fucking lady Gaga Give them an award. I love that look. I wish cops still dress like that And they were high-fashion. No looking like Trent Resner. I'll look like fuck Madonna from that The sexual shoes and all that masservated to that video a lot. Yes Yeah, and since they were and not only do they have the top app But they were all required to be at least five foot nine, which means they were already half a foot taller than most of the People in Whitechapel add to that a giant beaver skin top hat

And you have a very imposing presence walking around the neighborhood not the most trustworthy man around Okay, and everyone knows on this podcast. You can't troll you can't trust a tall man Well by this standard Marcus is tall enough to be a police officer. I'm tall enough to be I'm not no You're technically I would still be strapping five foot seven. Yeah, that's true This would have been a good time for you So nobody in Whitechapel actually trusted the police and every group had a reason the Irish didn't talk to them because they saw Them as establishment figureheads the closest they could come to the evil Empire that had destroyed their life and oppressed their people The Jews didn't talk to them because they saw the cops as shadowy government government figures much like those that had carried out the

Pogroms they had just escaped in Eastern Europe But among all the groups there was a strict no snitch policy when it came to the cops and that of course made their job Enormously difficult just gonna say I understand the no snitch policy You know the police have been sort of overpolicing certain communities and making some money off of them But in this situation just go ahead and tell if you know somebody who's like I'd be almost be headed a prostitute or a sex worker Just go ahead and tell the cops you know, I think is interesting is actually only to almost the reverse here Which like because of these conditions, who are the people deciding to be cops? Who wants to be a cop at this time period? You probably have to be a psychopath

Well, nobody well, that's the thing is that it wasn't like all of London was like Whitechapel Whitechapel was just the worst area you were sent to Whitechapel and nobody wanted to be sent to Whitechapel I'm sure you had to do something bad and in beautiful downtown London to get sent to Whitechapel Yeah, no one was in London. I wanted to go to Whitechapel. I want to ours now. Yeah, I went to Whitechapel. It was great Yeah, great place. Yeah, they've jacked the Ripper jerky. It's like jerky the Ripper and they got like Ice cream and they got jacked Ripper buttons jack Ripper capes and Gladstone bags Well other than the jerky, I think those are fun products the jerky kind of goes a little far I think the people distrusted the police so much that when

Someone in Whitechapel was arrested the citizens would actually organize what they called Rescues in which they as a neighborhood would throw bricks iron or anything else They could grab at the police the police would go six at a time to go and arrest someone. I have to admit that would be fun That would be kind of your buddy on a job And cops yeah, well, I mean just busting your friend out of jail is extremely fun. It's like the blues brothers It's like every day is like oceans 11. Yeah No from what I could tell a cry of police was actually like more likely to bring help than a cry of Murder, but the thing is is that there actually weren't that many police officers

Policing that area of Whitechapel where 76,000 people lived there were only 548 Officers and the police and the police you have to be crazy But they're crazy to apply to be a police officer, but they're big You know like Super Mario Brothers when they made that move King Koopa the goombas he made them big Yeah, made them big tiny heads though. Yeah, well small heads. Yeah, not smart Well the police only patrolled major thoroughfares and even then it was just to hold the place together and react to crime as it Happened rather than doing any actual police work. They just didn't have the manpower not only that

But due to the ever-present darkness not only were there ample opportunities for crime But even if someone did witness a crime happening It was unlikely they'd be able to even see the face well enough to recognize them later Well, you would have to really if you're an officer you got to catch them red-handed and by red I mean covered in blood. I mean other than that really you're not gonna get anybody actually that was the prostitution laws at the time Is that the only way the prostitution could be convicted is if the officer? Actually saw the people having sex they called them suspicious couples Hmm, and that's only when he's next in line. Yes, you know, I mean, you know, they should have done

So you take a kid right like a kid who just has no parents like an orphan like someone is around the street And you're like come here Kim come here kid look come like a do you want do you want a shower, right? He's like, oh, please anything anything, but but that's constant fear and you cover them in gasoline He said I'm on fire and he runs through the alleys He'll illuminate everyone and then that could be like the first sirens Officers of Browsky we thought you were just gonna be a big kind of dumpy idiot and turns out the smartest cop we got here in London Roy I'm good Oh clever now, let's just go find that boy

Then the aftermath of the murder of Mary Nichols prostitutes afraid for their lives Finally started talking to the police and the name that was being bandied about the most was a man named Jack Pizer aka Leather apron that is horrifying Leather apron that was the original name of Jack the Ripper before he was Jack the Ripper He was Leather apron. Oh, I'm gonna say that might be more scary. It definitely sent us chill down my spleen there Well, I don't know why when I think of Leather apron. I think of a big vagina I don't know either, but that could be a euphemism for one

I suppose he was given this name as one might expect because he was almost never seen without the type of Leather apron Usually worn by slaughterhouse workers Hey, can I imagine him wearing nothing else that he turns around? He's got a cute little like a little Christian Bale button I'll tell you he was comfortable if it wasn't for the fact that the tip of my helmet here is getting pretty scraped For the leather it's got a toughen it up I guess no word on the street was Pizer was in the habit of beating prostitutes half to death for fun and profit Police set to work tracking down Pizer, but unfortunately for the police the Daily Star just as much of a bastion of hard-hit and journalism As it is today caught wind of the catchy name and ran with it

This is what they said in the September 5th edition as they wrote a description of Jack Pizer aka Leather apron His eyes are small and glittering. His lips are usually parted in a grin Which is not only not reassuring but excessively repellent Leather apron Oh is carried a sharp knife and it also claimed that he is a Jew or a Jewish parentage his face being of a marked Hebrew type Is that bad to say I? Guess it's the parlance of their time, but they wouldn't know that this is just made up It's just a made-up series of character traits that they wanted to have it be real right

No, they also are heavily racist against Jewish people Yeah, the entire the entire all of London was have had a deep very big problem with Jewish people And they blame them all the time the idea is that it was a huge influx of the Jewish population Into Whitechapel and they viewed them as the big source of all their problems because it wasn't other fucking slack jawed No-toothed cockney idiots Yeah, and then you add that to the fact that the most famous murder in Whitechapel before Emma Smith was the murder of Miriam Angel She had been murdered by a Jewish man named Israel Lipsky

He poured nitric acid down her throat forcibly so and yeah after that Lipsky was used as a pejorative for Jewish person I see yeah And the crime was sort of a similar kind of like the Menendez brothers type level of crime right in London like it was like a very big Kind of crazy tabloid crime Yeah, absolutely And so it was that when the Ripper murders occurred the Jews were the first to be blamed as many believed it as Impossible for an Englishman to be the perpetrator of such dreadful crimes. You invented slavery

Yeah It was against this background that the Ripper would take a second victim Annie Chapman Which we will cover along with all the other murders on the next episode. Oh my god Is that where we're gonna wrap this one up where we're gonna wrap this one up? Wow. All right So that's a little bit about Whitechapel this dark disgusting world. I thought I love that you pointed out It doesn't happen by the gaslight. No, you know, there isn't some bizarre beautiful macabre Profile picture in the darkness. It's just a brutal world full of sadness and poverty Yeah, you literally just have to find your way to the pharmacy by slashing a knife in the dark alley

Just being like I hope I hit it. I hope I get to it So we have a perfect scenario of a disenfranchisement terrible press coverage the police completely in shambles I mean, this is the ideal breeding ground for somebody who wants to become a serial killer. Yeah You look at someone like son of Sam same things popped out like a son of Sam popped out of the same thing 1970s New York City when a Richard Ramirez took advantage of an LA these people like do this time. It's weird I don't know if it's a chicken egg scenario. I don't know if it's oh, you can't always tell like to do bad times Always equal serial murder, but a lot of times they do. Yeah, I mean it certainly certainly makes it easier to accomplish Yeah, so what we talked about in our black serial killers episode that there were five separate serial killers operating in South Central LA in the

1990s and I would assume the victims in this situation, you know now of course as we have so many years removed The sex workers, I'm sure they were looked down upon by society and no one really cared that they had been going missing For quite a while. It was been that way since the beginning of time since the beginning of the job People automatically assumed that they were less than because they chose to do this for a living They chose to do sex work as a living but when it comes down to it's being like I was the only thing they had Right like unless you literally were born into money. Yeah, we're fucked. Yeah, I mean unless you were born into the monarchy I suppose All right, well great first episode getting to understand Whitechampel. I can't wait to hear more about it and

We'll keep there's so much so many pages of useless nonsense left to go through so my favorite though Is the royalty conspiracy is my favorite shit and my favorite suspect if you're anyway if you are Ripperologist yourself Prince Albert ebby is my favorite dude in this whole thing I can't wait to get to him. Can't wait. God. All right. Well, that'll be coming up on episode 2 And I think this might be a it's just a three-parter. Yeah, okay, wonderful Yeah, his neck was too weak to hold up his head. Is that right? Yeah, well then you don't get to live Come on bread British fucking princes and bullshit. We got a lot to get to all right everyone Thank you guys so much for listening Marcus. We got some information about live shows coming up

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I could never imagine it having such incredible fans. It's so funny This episode also made me think of the people we met in Glasgow and Manchester I'm sorry about that, but I was like thinking about Scott and Liam and Lindsay and Caroline and knees and Sarah there was a bunch of people. I was thinking about it being like, oh man I'm glad they didn't live then because they would all be in bad circumstances. Well Glasgow You know, we got a feeling of what it might have been like back then. Yeah, great Glasgow I remember we woke up at 9 30 10 o'clock in the morning. The bars were filled I was like, is there a football match happening? That means soccer over there and they said no and none of the TVs were on

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